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#653 - 6LACK Reveals New Album, ATL Icons, Fatherhood, Spillage Village, LVRN & More · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Boublay Camp show man. We got a special guest in here.
• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Been trying to get this guy in here for a
• 0:06
  Speaker 1: very long time. Black is in the building. Welcome, Welcome.
• 0:11
  Speaker 1: It's so crazy because I saw the single cover for
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  Speaker 1: your new record and your daughter's on there. Yep. And
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: is this the dark because in twenty sixteen, your debut
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: project's one of my favorite albums. Ever. So when you
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: were saying I got a baby on the way, I
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: think about it every day. I do this.
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  Speaker 2: That's the baby, same baby, Yep, I am yep, how
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  Speaker 2: many years later? Nine years old?
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  Speaker 1: Now? Crazy?
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: Yes, it is crazy. It's crazy to even see it
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: every day, like you never get used to it. And
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  Speaker 2: ever like, every time I look at her, I'm like,
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: you are that baby?
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Is it kind of surreal to think back like
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: we're approaching it's been ten years since that album.
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it has been about a decade since everything, So like
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: as we have been getting closer to the date this year,
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: I think the whole year has been just like I've
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: been reflecting because that time and this time are too
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: completely different, for sure.
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Man. And it's kind of crazy too,
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: because if you think all the way back then, Like
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: you're probably the last artist. I feel like I kind
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: of discovered through SoundCloud. It's like the wave of I guess,
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: like everyone kind of getting hip to certain artists on SoundCloud.
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: But I feel like, for me personally, my personal experience,
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  Speaker 1: you're the last guy.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I think that was like twenty sixteen might
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  Speaker 2: be like the end or close to the end of
• 1:22
  Speaker 2: that era as far as just like new music discovery
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: on SoundCloud. Apple music was just like starting to pop,
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: and yeah, I feel like that was the end of
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  Speaker 2: an era in the beginning of like where we are
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  Speaker 2: right now streaming air Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's it's just been so dope to see like
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: your guys' whole movement out of Atlanta and like turn
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: into just so many suit I mean, look, kid's got
• 1:43
  Speaker 1: his own cereal.
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's my brother, that's my guy for real.
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  Speaker 1: But it's got to be crazy, man, Like you do
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  Speaker 1: you ever reflect just over the last decade, like just
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: how far you've came and just you know where you
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: are now because you're kind of you're one of them
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  Speaker 1: guys man, And then you you jump in and out
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: of the game when you're ready because you're otherwise.
• 2:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like you're very deal the way yeah, to
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  Speaker 2: myself for a reason, but like, honestly, bro, like those
• 2:08
  Speaker 2: days they seemed like they were yesterday. Like me and
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: Jid at one point, I was sleeping on his couch
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: and working at his house whenever he would go to work.
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: The Spillage Village Origin days.
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he was delivering pieces and doing that, and
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: I was just had to create recording demos like twenty
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  Speaker 2: four seven and before that, me and Mariva Maariva's in credit, yeah,
• 2:27
  Speaker 2: me and India Sean Me and you know Rory was
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: like lvrn's first artist.
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: Oh g yeah, the Freshman cover yep, kind of tailing
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: blog era guy too.
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  Speaker 2: I was just like figuring out my way around that time.
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: That was a good time to also just like not
• 2:44
  Speaker 2: be on the scene and just be a student. So
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: it was like I got to see a lot of
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: my favorite folks and a lot of my peers just
• 2:50
  Speaker 2: like come up, do the right thing, say the wrong thing,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm just like taking notes on like how the
• 2:56
  Speaker 2: game is and like how I want to present myself.
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: And by the time we were ready to go in
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: twenty six team, I think that was when I finally
• 3:01
  Speaker 2: felt like I found my voice, like I wrapped my
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: whole entire life. But twenty sixteen was a moment when
• 3:06
  Speaker 2: I was just like, I think I'm ready to release
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  Speaker 2: a song like officially.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's funny because if you listen to that
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: first album, it's like people can know you could rap.
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  Speaker 1: I listened to that album, but it was not a
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  Speaker 1: rap album. Yeah, yeah, it was a very personal album though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, incredible man, thank you. The new album is
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: called Love is the New Gangster.
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  Speaker 2: Explain, Oh, I think it's just my easy way of
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: saying that, like love, love is the cool thing to promote.
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: Like I grew up in an area where I could
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: have chose to do like the drug route, the gang route.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I could have.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and I had my moments when I just
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: like wasn't on the right path. But as I've gotten older,
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  Speaker 2: I've just been able to see what actually means the
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  Speaker 2: most to me. And you know, when you're younger, you're
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to fit in, You're trying
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: to figure out how to stay safe, You're trying to
• 3:52
  Speaker 2: figure out how to provide, and the setting isn't always
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: like it doesn't always like accompany you in the best
• 3:59
  Speaker 2: way to like do the right thing. So by the
• 4:02
  Speaker 2: time I was able to get myself, you know, have
• 4:03
  Speaker 2: my own money and figure out my own thing, I
• 4:05
  Speaker 2: was just like, I see, I see what's cool now,
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  Speaker 2: Like I see, I see what gangster really is. It's
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  Speaker 2: like taking care of your family and being an honest
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: person and looking out for folks like when you can
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: look out for them, and doing good business, like all
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  Speaker 2: of the stuff that I didn't really have a mentor
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  Speaker 2: around me to talk about and I have to figure
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  Speaker 2: out through trial and errors, Like Okay, now for the
• 4:24
  Speaker 2: people who listen to me and the people who know me,
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  Speaker 2: I get an opportunity to teach them.
• 4:27
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's also like I feel like we need
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of love in the world right now for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Where we can't w where we can get it, you
• 4:34
  Speaker 1: gotta kind of get it.
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  Speaker 2: Right for sure for sure. And that's why I'd be
• 4:37
  Speaker 2: just kind of to myself, like at the crib for
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: the most part when I'm not on tour or not
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: dropping the album, Like I get my inspiration from the house.
• 4:44
  Speaker 2: So if my relationship is good, if my kids are good,
• 4:47
  Speaker 2: if we are out experiencing life and like the ways
• 4:50
  Speaker 2: that music has been able to provide for me. Then
• 4:52
  Speaker 2: like that's my version of like gangster, Like I get
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  Speaker 2: to do this ill dreamed of and I get to
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  Speaker 2: do it in a way that's like healthy and you know,
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  Speaker 2: just it's good for us.
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: Well, it's almost like two, like you have to find
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: like once you have certain levels of success come right,
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  Speaker 1: Like you kind of have to find your pockets of
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: inspiration in any places.
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's difficult because.
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: Because like the bills are paid now, you know what
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. So it's like I got all right, Well,
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: you're a creative vessel, so it's like you got to
• 5:16
  Speaker 1: draw from everything now, you know. Yeah.
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: And then what I noticed too is as my career
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: moved on, like I had less to really complain about
• 5:24
  Speaker 2: unless it was self inflicted. So it's like if you're
• 5:26
  Speaker 2: still dealing with like the same relationship problems, if you're
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: still dealing with communication issues, if you still are facing
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: like the same that you are facing however many years ago,
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: like then you aren't progressing. So I just realized it
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: was time to grow up. Really, that's it. Yeah, if
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: you I don't need to be free black, you know,
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  Speaker 2: for ten years later, like when you check in to
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: see how I'm doing right.
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  Speaker 1: Right, right, right right, that's fair. Do you feel like
• 5:49
  Speaker 1: like kind of the tone of that album like followed
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  Speaker 1: you around a little bit?
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  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I think I kind of like immersed myself
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: in it too, because it was that's how people were
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: introduced to me. So I kind of like be came
• 6:01
  Speaker 2: that character right, Like I had the hair, it was
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: covering my face. I'm performing, I'm like looking down at
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  Speaker 2: the ground. My confidence and my like just how I
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: presented myself during that time wasn't It just wasn't as
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: like open as I am right now. Like during that time,
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  Speaker 2: I was kind of just like a show of myself.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And also I feel like twenty sixteen is also
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of people like you are coming on
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: the other side of the weekend and Frank Ocean were
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: like kind of the mysterious.
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was cool too, Like Vibe.
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: It was like, you know, lessons more in terms of
• 6:31
  Speaker 1: putting yourself out there. That's why when you when you
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: drop East Atlanta love Letter and you were like haircut.
• 6:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah photo, you know. Yeah. No, to this day, folks
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: are still you always find like a few folks that
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: are like bringing the old black back or you know,
• 6:46
  Speaker 2: where's the old ye?
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: But does it feel weird when you do your show?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you have records that your fans are
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: going to sing along, but it just feel weird performing
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: like it's all like problems like.
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: Hell no no. I mean I got out whatever I
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: needed to get out when I made that song, and
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: there might have been like a time period where performing
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: it felt a little counterproductive or just like weird. But
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: now I'm at the part where it's just like a
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: live experience, like it happened. That was me like at
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: peak frustration, peak creativity, peak toxic relationship and figuring out
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: like how to materialize that into a song form. So
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: I don't feel no way when I'm performing now it's
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: still bangs at every show.
• 7:24
  Speaker 1: What would you say, like sonically you're at pocket wise
• 7:27
  Speaker 1: because the new record is dope. Bird Flu's fire is
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: that kind of like where we're going to be getting
• 7:32
  Speaker 1: more of that on.
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: It's a good balance. I feel like we normally figure
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: out a good balance. Bird Flu obviously is more rap
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  Speaker 2: leaning and I love it that way, just like finding
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: those pockets where I get to like chop up the
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: verses and then on the coors, just like make it
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: a little bit more melodic, but not go too crazy.
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: And then the next one that we're dropping is called
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: Sunday Again, and it's completely opposite. So I'm not wrapping
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: at all. Two changes on it, and it's more of
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: just like a just like a vibe. You know. It's
• 8:00
  Speaker 2: my dedication to Sunday, which was the only way that
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: I was able to mark how fast time was going
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  Speaker 2: by in the last couple of years. It would be
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: Sunday again.
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: You'd like, damn, it's Sunday.
• 8:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, it would be Sunday again, and I would
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: say it to myself, and by the time we got
• 8:13
  Speaker 2: to make in the song, it just felt like, Okay,
• 8:14
  Speaker 2: I want this song to feel like how my Sundays feel.
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: The theme of your artwork, I mean, it's not all
• 8:20
  Speaker 1: of your artwork, but you know you have included your
• 8:23
  Speaker 1: kids throughout the process. Is that on purpose? Yeah?
• 8:29
  Speaker 2: And it's never like I don't think of it like
• 8:32
  Speaker 2: so far in advance or anything. It's not like on
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: the move board.
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: It's not used to have the face, you know what
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 8:39
  Speaker 2: It's never on the move board like East and the
• 8:41
  Speaker 2: love Letter. Six happened to be at that shoot, and
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: we happened to like stage those moments and like making
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: a thing right there. But it wasn't like we have
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: to have the baby on the cover or right.
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: It just happened and you're like, yo, this shit.
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: We were like, yeah, that's the best photo and then
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: saying for this one, like this one, we planned to
• 8:58
  Speaker 2: shoot around having all the girls together because Six was
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: coming out here and my newest baby, Blaze is already here,
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: and we were.
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: Great names Blaze and Six. I love that.
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were gonna be in the same space at
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: the same time. So I'm like, let's just, you know,
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: capture us together. We don't have no family photos with
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: just all three of us, and of course, uh we
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: have photos with all three of us, but the one
• 9:16
  Speaker 2: I landed on for the main cover is me and Six.
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: I thought that it was nice to just show like
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: the the time lapse from East Atlanta love Letter time
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: Laps is crazy. It's insane.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy because when I was like looking back
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I was like I saw
• 9:28
  Speaker 1: the heart and I was like, yo, that's crazy because uh,
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: the intro on on Free Black's one of my favorite
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. It's my favorite song of yours. And so
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: like I was like, damn this this, this is the
• 9:38
  Speaker 1: this is the kid that he was singing about on
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  Speaker 1: the intro.
• 9:41
  Speaker 2: And her getting old her understanding of what's going on
• 9:45
  Speaker 2: is funny too. Every time I go back to Atlanta
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: and talk to her, it's just interesting to pick her
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: brain about like what she observes at this age, because
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: when she was a baby, she didn't really have an
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: opinion or say so. But now it's like.
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, like now she knows Dad's list.
• 9:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like why do people want to take pictures?
• 10:02
  Speaker 2: And like okay, like oh I wish I was famous.
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know what.
• 10:06
  Speaker 1: Does she think about being out there like where like
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: you know, hey, she likes it.
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: She likes it. She's but the cool thing is like
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: she's such a pure kid that even though she likes
• 10:15
  Speaker 2: it a lot, she doesn't really wear it. She don't
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: go to school like my dad is so and so.
• 10:19
  Speaker 1: Like hey check out the new single. Not at all.
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: She's like she's in her own world doing kid things,
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: playing video games, never getting in trouble, and she just
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: likes the idea of like like, oh you uh texting
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: Kevin Durant. I wish I could text my favorite basketball
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: player and I wish I was famous. And I'm just
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: like yeah, I'm like it's a little it's half and half.
• 10:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it's like I feel like a nine
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: or ten year old in twenty twenty six because I
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: have a twelve year old. It's like dealing with a
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: whole adult dude. Yeah, it's crazy. Yep, it's like having
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: like a little it is dude. And like I have
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: a son, so it's like having a real bruh in
• 10:51
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• 10:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially when they ask questions, Like she's that
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: type too, So it's like if she sees anything or
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: hears a word she doesn't know, she's like what's that? Yeah,
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: what's that mean? What's that?
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• 11:04
  Speaker 1: where you go the other direction? Like my son he knows.
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: He I'm like, where'd you learn that? Bro? He's like, Dad,
• 11:09
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• 11:11
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  Speaker 1: is it being out here in la Is it a
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: little harder to kind of draw the inspiration from Atlanta still?
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: Or are you still able to obviously say two changes
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: on the next single. You've always you know, repped repped
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: the city in a real way. But is it is
• 12:56
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• 12:58
  Speaker 2: I guess not difficult like to me for me, Like
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: I lived in Atlanta from age four until twenty four,
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: probably right, so I got everything I needed from Atlanta
• 13:09
  Speaker 2: to to just like that's just who I am. Like
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: I can't I can't forget it. Yeah, I can't really
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: forget it. I don't like have to go searching for it,
• 13:17
  Speaker 2: but out here, like my inspiration, like just from being
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: at the crib and just from taking care of my
• 13:23
  Speaker 2: babies is all that I need. Like my life is linear.
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: It's not like going backwards. I don't need to like
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: necessarily go back to the city to to be like reimmersed.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: And even though I can't, it's.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: Just yeah, for sure. It's just it's like a changing
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: city too. I mean, but you know what I love
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: about Atlanta. It's like, no matter what, the strip clubs
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: are still the strip clubs. Yeah, And it ain't like
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: you're going to go to Atlanta and they be like, man,
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: the Blue Flame closed.
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: Or something changed, and it's like, no, it's still there.
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: It's still there, still there. And anytime I go back, like,
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: I still feel at home. I still get to have fun.
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: We still can go out, and yeah, like I get
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: what I need from Atlanta.
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: What were you texting KD about?
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: Probably trying to get my daughter to a game, because
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: she she's already like met like Tree young and like
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: she's met some of her favorite basketball players.
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: She does. She she's sitting in the basketball.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: She loves basketball like way different than I love basketball
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: at her age. Like I would get on two K
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: and I would just go to play. Now she's on
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: a roster like.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: Doing bills, making trades.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like, you spend more time on the
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: may do you spend playing the game, but she she
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: enjoys it.
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: Is she gonna play.
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know she's played before, she's done like organized
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: team basketball. But I think she likes the information of
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: it more than like the physical GM or a coach
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: something like that, something like that, because when it comes
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: to like the actual physical part of it where people
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: are pushing, and she's like, nah.
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: I just thought, because Katie is executive, like quietly be
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes, like with Hella rappers. You know what
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm like, it's like, kat you gonna help
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: executive producer.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, now I know no basketball executive producers.
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately it happens. I think he did a drink album about.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: To say, a few of them.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: I think someone.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: Most of them got labels, don't they. I' you hearing?
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: I heard that all the ball players want to be Yeah.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So back in the day, Katie did have a label,
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: and so did like Carmelo and Carmelo Anthony signed Cassidy after.
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: I remember that because Castle was my favorite rapper for
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: a minute, yo.
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: If you know, you know, because I think people forget
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: like Cassidy's like punchline wise, he might be the greatest
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: of all time. Yea Castle, we're talking about straight punchlines.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Yeahs is different.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: That was the air YouTube era for sure, when he.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Beat Freeways that battle. Did you ever watch that YouTube battle?
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: Of course multiple times?
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: Man, so good Man shout out to Cassidy Man all time.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Remember he came up in a freestyle like two years
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: ago and I was just like, oh my god, you're
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: still that guy. Don't You're still that.
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I got a meum I gotta see on one day.
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: Oh Man, can you talk about just you know, you
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: and Cole have this synergy with each other. You guys
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: have timeless songs together. What what what is it about
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: working with Cole? You feel like you guys bring the
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: best out of each other.
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: It's just real people, that's really it. Like I don't
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: like to have to cut through like a facade of
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: what an artist you know is sometimes and it's just
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: nice to meet people that are on that same level
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: where it's just real conversations, real questions about how you've
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: been and how you doing, what are you inspired by?
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: And playing music And that's really it. So like the
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: first time that I linked with him, I played him
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: a couple of songs. And I think the second time
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: I linked with him might have been when I had
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Pretty Little Fears. And that wasn't a moment of like
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: asking him to do anything for me. It was just
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: playing music and he was just like, send me that.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: They send me that one.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you ain't got to ask me twice at all.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: That is that not your biggest song.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Pretty Little Fears? No, it's probably neck and neck with Problems.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: It's up there.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're like those those two are in the top five,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: but Problems probably still edges it out.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: You know what's crazy is my son's twenty now and
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: he got hipped to you on the second album. Yeah,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: it's like he's got a whole other perception of Like
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: I'm like, now you got to go back to that
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: first joint us.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the coolest shit though. I like that
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: no matter how long you've been doing it, like every
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: time that you release a new project, you get away
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: of a new people who are just meeting you for
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: the first time.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: One hundred percent, yeah, one hundred percent. Yeah. I think
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: like with Cole too, it's like, like you said, he
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: is like like, like I know a lot of people
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: were like his rollout was so different because he just
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: was like rolling around in the city. But like that
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: is like legitimately like who he is as a person person.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: So it's like when you see like him going viral
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: for riding a ten speed in Manhattan. Yeah, that's how
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: we would like it, Like that's him, Like he's just
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: a normal dude.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I think it's cool that they like
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: marketed it that way anyway, because that's the point of
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: marketing anyway. So all the internet chatter and like it
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense. You you make a record, you
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: promote it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: It is still wild to me that people still call
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: you six lack.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's forever.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: That is going to be a forever thing for you.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Have you just came to peace with it.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: The thing is, before anyone else called me that I
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: was in my own raps like it was that was
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: a normal, natural part of just the conversation. But we
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: kind of transition into like the meme troll era right
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: to where they think they discover something. You just got
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: to kind of let him have it and.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Just be like it's like and it's funny because my producer,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: he asked, he's like it's black, right, not six Slacks.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, man. Yeah, there are people who are
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: fans of this guy. There's and then there's like people
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: who just are like, Yo, what's the what's the dude's name?
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Six Slack guy? And I'm like, dog, if.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: They gotta if they got to pronounce alate that to
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: get it, then it's all good.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: But they'll take it.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what. There's some folks who are just like, nah,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: that's what I'm gonna call them because that's what.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: Because that's what it says in my brain can't wrap around.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, okay, yeah, it's It's good combo though,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: and it makes for good merch too, so I'm never
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: tripping on that.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Are you going to be planning a tour around
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: this release? Yeah?
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: We're doing. Yeah good, we're doing tour fall time, I believe,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: like late fall. We're still putting it together now we're
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: out in it. But yeah, every album, every tour.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: So can you talk about because I feel like we
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: don't talk enough about LVRN as like we always hear
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: about QC or TD, But I do feel like LVRN
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: is in that conversation. If you think about the amount
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: of like superstars that have come from that label, and
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: even on the management side there there's so much what
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: is I guess just kind of being a part of
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: that crew? What does it mean to you? And like
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: what are things that you've been able to kind of
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: pick up because they LVRN is very much It's a
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: unique situation in music because I feel like all of
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: the artists are very high integrity signings, you know what
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like and I mean, Summer Walker's so crazy,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: You're so crazy. There's just so much incredible talent on LVRN.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: What does it mean to you being a part of
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: that crew?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Just really one on one, like I have been able
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: to see how other labels and other management teams move too,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: So it's nice to know that, like what I'm a
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: part of is is a very special thing. Like I
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: don't know or think that other situations are like this
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: to where on the management side or on the label side,
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Like you can count on them for you know, creative direction,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: you can count on them for just a strong opinion,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: like when you need somebody to like be honest about something,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: you can count on them for handling. The tour side,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: you can count on them for merch ideas. It's like
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: we're it's so in house that you know, sometimes you
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: wonder like how does how is it? Just how is
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the industry set up in a way to where most
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: people don't have it like this? Like you need a
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: full team and a full like group of folks who
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: you can like have just regular conversations with about things
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: that you care about. So oh yeah, it's one on one.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: They've been with me since before I dropped my first song,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: and they were looking out for me just when it
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: was an idea of like I think we got something, so.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Have you obviously, uh spilit Village project that dropped a
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: few years ago was incredible. Are you guys? Would you guys?
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I mean everyone's so busy now, but do you feel
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: like there's a possibility of you guys ever, Yeah, getting
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: everybody pulling everybody back to other for something. Yeah.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Always every few years, like we end up at an
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Airbnb or ask somebody's crep working and then.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Like, hey, I think we got an album.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then me and Jid, like me and Jid
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: been talking about a collap album.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: A joint album with you and Jid would go crazy.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: We've been talking about that since like twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen, probably.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I mean listen, that is effectively thirteen years ago, so
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I think it's overdue.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's my guy.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Do you guys have music that's just sitting on hard drive?
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah? We got demos. We got plenty of demos, like
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: from that era like twenty fourteen to like twenty eighteen,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: we have plenty of songs. And then on the as
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: shit just took off for both of us, we made
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: less music together. But like the conversation is still like
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: as as consistent.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Hey, you guys gotta go into it with intent, like, hey,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go in and we're gonna do this.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to block out like a couple of
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: weeks that minimum. Yeah, like make it our thing. But
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: I think it was just like waiting for him to
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: do his album, waiting for me to do my album.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: And now we're like at the place where we can
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: actually like fuck around.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: He's got a metro booming album and the cut.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, if you could do a whole album with
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a producer, who would it be? You could just lock it.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: That's a good question, That's a really good question. Hmm.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: You know, no Idea, no id be crazy.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No Idea Ida one of the greatest of all time.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, one of the greatest, and a lot of the
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: stuff that he's had his hands in, like in the
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: last few years, like people just wouldn't know because he's
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: not promoting it so hard on social media, like I
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: did this, but all the new artists that just kind
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: of like pop up in their songs and production sounds
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: so polished and the vocal sounds so beautiful. I'm like
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: it just has been leading back to him.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: So I have a picture from Rock the Bells before
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: it was called before, not the new Rock the Bells,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the old school Rock the Bells from like twenty ten
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: to eleven. I have a picture with him and DJ Premier.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite photos I've ever taken. I
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: ran into both of them at the same time backstage,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, oh my god together please.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: No No Idea is one of my favorites for sure,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: and like just a great guy too.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, super dope, dude man, super humble. It's crazy
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: too because it's almost like he doesn't have a tag.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just he's just here doing his thing. And
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: if you know, you know, and.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: So wild because it's like there's a whole generation of
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: producers like DJ Premieer doesn't have a tag, you know
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like, but all the new guys
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: like they have tags, so you're like, oh, yeah, yeah,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: that's who made that.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's because like the sounds were just very, very,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: just distinct. Back then. It was like you knew when you.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Heard when you were timbaling.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just you absolutely you didn't need anybody to
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: be like Timbo like it was the production gives it away, offer.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: It, yeah, one hundred percent. And I feel like now too,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: it's like it's it's it's a branding thing because it's
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: like you I get it, like if I was to
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: start making beat type of like I need a tag
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: because that's because people will know your tag over anything.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: Folks are reverting though. I feel like in the last
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: few years some of the records that I have, people
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: call me like very last minute, like take the tag off,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, really, that's cool with me.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: It's better for the music, ye low key yeah yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: But I think that's also like when they start to
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: get a little more motion too, they like they.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Doesn't need it. Yeah, yeah, I just I love I
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: love the Metro tag. I think Metros are Doctor Dre
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: of our time.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Metro, I mean that tag. All his tags have
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: been necessary and.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: He's got a few. Yeah, he's rolled them. He wrote
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: sometimes and roll out a new one. Yeah, Like when
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: him and Big Shonda that joint album, he rolled out
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: the big seOne.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love love Metro tag. That's a staple, yo.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: So this album. How many cuts are on the album?
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Man? We got sixteen total? It was fourteen originally, and
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: I added two bonuses in the last few weeks really
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: because I just never stopped recording.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: So so the bonus is gonna come out after.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: So one bonus will be on digital, like when it
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: first comes out, it'll just be label bonus, and then
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: the next one will come like a couple of weeks.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Later, is it. Because when you're at the level you are,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you have to turn in music for vinyl. So I'm
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: assuming the vinyl won't have the bonuses.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: The vinyl will have the bonuses. So it's like we're
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: kind of doing different editions. If you got the vinyl,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: then you have a very specific song that's only on
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the digital got it?
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Got it? Yeah, It's so crazy because you'll see like
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: people be like, yo, this album got changed up with
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: the vinyl. If you have the vinyl, yeah you got
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you got a version of the song that a version
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: of the album that isn't on online or whatever.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so the vinyl has a has the bonuses already.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Besides Titty Boy, who else is on the album?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Let's see? We got me and Quinn, We got me
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: and Mariba. We got me and a z Chi living
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: in La Leon Thomas? Who else is on the project? Change? Chike? Leon, Leon, Quinn,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Mariba a man.
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• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Leon do any production on the song? So talented?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Me and Lee I've been working together for a minute
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and normally like he has either had a hand in
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: production or vocals, but this time it was just feature
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: like as leon Thomas the artist.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: It's gotta be pretty cool to watch his because he
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: has been around.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the years that we worked together, it was
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: always just kind of like from a writing or production side. Uh.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: And this time it's just like, bro, I need this,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: y like I just need I need you to do
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: some backgrounds on a chorus and he does. He does
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: like a little outro verse.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: At the end and then shout out the Chike man Chick.
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  Speaker 1: I loved crazy.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: I love Chick ever since I heard him on school
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Boy and then Kendrick. I like his presence.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I like his You're on You're on what school Way album?
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Are you on? Crash Dummy?
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: It is it called crashed It's not called it's not
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: called crash Dummy with the it's just called crash talk,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Crash crash talk.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: There you go, Yep, that's right.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: That's cute. Man. I just saw a video. I don't
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: know if you follow school with cubit. Somehow he's getting
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: jacked mhm, Like he looks like he's a wrestler.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: That makes sense. I mean, everybody getting healthy right.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Now, everybody accepts me and Neil.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: It ain't too late.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: It ain't too late, yo, so uh May twenty second
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: love is the new gangs to you do release music
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and you'll go away for a couple of years. What
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: is kind of like is that? Is that is that
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: on purpose? Or are you very much like hey, when
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I'm ready, like like you'll know when you're ready, Like
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: if you get inspired immediately, will you get back in.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Like it's I mean, I'm always working, so it's more
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: just like when I'm ready, I'm ready. I don't normally
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: plan to to like take off a couple of years
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: because it's no really off time for me, Like Bill's
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: got to be paid, right, No life has to continue
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: to just be supplied. So uh yeah, it's never a
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: plan two or three year hiatus. I just feel like
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: that amount of time like I'm able to actually live
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: and experience it and then come back and like have
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: something to give people.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: When you're at a cycle and you're like, okay, the
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: album's out. Tours over how outside of being a father,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: how do you spend your free time?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I think I've been working on my free time this
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: go around, Like every other time, it's my brain just
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: kind of kicks back into like I need to record
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: or I want to record or I want to get
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I got to create, Yeah, like I got to create,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: And only recently have I been trying to figure out
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: like how to pay more attention to like the time
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: I need outside of being an artist. So if I
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: can go on road trips, that's kind of like how
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I play trips with my girl.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Road trips or a vibeo, you know, throwing some music.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: California is easy to drive too, so it's just like
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: you go up the coast literally, if I want to
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: go to the Bay, if I want to go to Napa,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: if I want to go to Ohio, if I want
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: to go to San Diego, like I can just get
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: to multiple places without having a sweat too much.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Are you a podcast or like music person? On the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: road trip?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Music? Mainly when I'm doing like my quick drives around La.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I've been recognizing, like recently it's kind of been quiet
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: in the car, Like you just get in the car,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: you won't turn nothing on.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: My wife does not understand that about me. We'll get
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: in the car and I'll turn off. I'll just drive
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: in silence, Like I don't understand why you're driving in silence,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: and it's like it's my whole life is music.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: Literally, I'm like, either I need Pisa in this moment
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: or I'm thinking about every single thing that like I
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: don't normally have the time to process, like when I'm
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: around the house, right, So it's like I'm in the
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: car and my brain is just like problems.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: I love driving alone too. Driving alone is the best
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: for sure music off just maybe I have it like
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: a diacoa. I love die coke fridge cigarette. I call
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: it die coke. I gotta work on my house.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: I had an issue with coca cola for a minute,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: but I kicked it, so.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a thing. I had an issue with coca
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: cola for a minute, and I have an issue with
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: diet coke. I don't even like normal coke. Now, it's
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: it's the aspartame is. It's it's smacking. Okay, let's talk.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I want to go. Give me your Mount Rushmore of
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Atlanta Rappers and then Atlanta singers.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Oh all right, Mount Rushmore. They're always my most difficult
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: because my brain just splits up a bunch of different ways.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore Atlanta Rappers, you said, ms yep, okay, uh,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: three stacks for sure. At the top. This is where
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: it gets a little crazy future. Okay, I think consistency
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: wise and output wise and.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Quality one of the greatest of all time for sure.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Three is where it gets a little crazy.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Because someone's feelings are getting hurt at for sure.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: For sure, I feel like there's a there's a very
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: connected like peer line that goes through t I, Chezy, Gez, Gucci,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: and for me, hm hmmm, I think I'm gonna go
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: tip t I yep.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Just got a gold rap first rap song of the
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: year to go gold that was released in twenty twenty six.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Yep, I saw that I'm gonna go Geezy Gucci and
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I say that because together, yeah, yeah, like I can't.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I can't do one with its hard.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: It's literally hard to rank them for me, like I
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: live to both of their music, Like throughout my high school,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: middle school.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: I always give it to j Z because I think
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: GZ has mark overall timeless albums for sure, bodies of work.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Now, g Z albums, Gucci mixed texts for sure for sure,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: So they kind of like share that next tier.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: I respect it, and.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I won't put j I d like at five because
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: that's like of the new era. Like, I don't know
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: anybody that can put worse together the way that he
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: put worse.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: He is, you know, when we I always have this
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: conversation about like, you know, we had like the last era,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: which was like Cole and Kendrick and Big Sean and Drake,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and I feel like the new era, it's like like
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: j I d Is. In that conversation, we're like, okay, man,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: like a lot of people can't touch it.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: And then from Atlanta specifically too, it's just like there's
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: nobody else that's doing what he's doing, so he's got
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: to be, you know, number one in some sense. So
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I think of the new generation of lyricists that come
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: from Atlanta, it's not that many. And he's the.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Best honorable mention to Sahi the Prince whose sighs amazed.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: As alien from the East Side, we just needed to
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: put out more music, Yeah for sure.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah he's from the East Side as well. Crazy writer,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: crazy rapper, amazing.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: What's your favorite TI album I have? I just had
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: arguments with my boy about this because a lot of
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: people say King, and I'm like, that's kind of the
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: generic answer.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: You would say that, but you had to I don't know,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: like I was there when King was out and I
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: was at the Homies crib and we were all just kids,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: and it felt like somebody like breaking through and crossing over.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Like oh, it was like it was very much the
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: crossover album where it was like, oh, t I is
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: the biggest rapper on the planet right now.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: But for us, like as a kid during that time,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: like that was the moment that you kind of championed
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: it the most. And that's why it hit the hardest
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: for me because it was like our favorite rapper.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know how old you. I'm thirty nine, so
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty old.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Like a I thirty three, thirty four, I'd be forgetting
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: little six year gap like yeah, I was, I was
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: a nine.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I'm eighty seven. Babies.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: So when it came out, I just remember where I was,
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: and I remember how important it was to it to us,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: and I remember the debates, I remember the arguments.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: I remember it's a great album. King is incredible. I'm
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: very much. It's a toss up between urban legend or
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: trap music for me.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I mean both are crazy. The only reason why I
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: say King is just because of where I was when
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: it happened and how it.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Was crazy and.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then obviously like those two from from just
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: like a.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: What about Gez? What's your favorite GZ albums.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: That could go forever? I mean because I like the
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: whole tam one of course.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I damn you think the recession.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Session was amazing. Recession was amazing.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: So I think obviously one on one is the one,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: but recession is so crazy.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Recession was crazy, and it was like, man, it was
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: just yeah, I would go recession too. I remember, I
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: remember how it felt to be living during It.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Felt like it was like he like it was like yo,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I feel like I felt that ship. And then my
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: President is Black was yeah, I was.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I was still young, but I understood. I'm like, yeah,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: this is this is like top tier rapping, right.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: What about singers Atlanta singers?
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm hmmm usher for sure?
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Sure, let's go.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Myself for sure, cheater throw me some Atlanta singers right now.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Singers summer summer summer.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I forgot about Monica.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I already get ushers at the top.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: But I feel like Atlanta is such a hybrid sounding
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: type of place that you like, aside from the generation
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: that was like right before mine, where you had like
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: the girl groups and stuff like, it wasn't that many
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: people coming out just like singing, singing.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: But see who we might be forgetting.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I gotta be forgetting somebody obviously of course. But I
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: was a baby, so like, I know they goes, but I.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Was, yeah, there's groups. It's like, okay, Jagged Edge is incredible,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's like amazing. Tony Braxton is from Atlanta apparently, Okay,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's I mean, Juice, Google Sierra
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Shore Tierra.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: That was the time. But I mean again, like I
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: was a boy, so I was really.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Just Lloyd Lloyd what it's got a dope voice. I
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: want to put him in the Usher TLC Summer Walker,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: but he not. Lloyd's got joints up.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Lloyds got joints he one twelve low.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Key yeah, I mean all of the Jagged Edge one
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: twelve everything like so so death was ding during that time.
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: Was man, all the R and B groups, it was
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: all great, God rest their soul because I feel like
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: we can't have R and B groups anymore because everybody
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: want they cut, like if there's not enough money out there.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: But like groups are like when I see a group,
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I get excited because I'm like, man, we don't got
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: these no more.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: That's because it's splitting that money full five ways.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Man, it's like an R and B groups. Rap groups
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: here like a thing of the past.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: It don't worry. I was in the group when I
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: signed one of my first deals. It was four of us.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: What was the name of your group, team Flight Team Flight, Yeah,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: it was full four of us plus our manager who
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: was just a homie as well.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: He was in the group.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: No, he was just travel with So when we all
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: went to Miami, like, he was just a part of us.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: And when we signed our first deal, we split. Technically
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: were supposed to split ten k oh four or five ways,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: but we only got five of it. And that was
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: just like.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: What's this like a production deal?
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: No, it was a label.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Who were you guys signed to?
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: We've been down this road before. I was signed the
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: floor Rider for a minute Floor Rider, Yeah, like twenty
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: eleven to twenty fourteen.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: So was this uh when he was with po.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Boy, Yeah, he class everybody else. Yeah, that was that
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: was I was there every day, nice, every day.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Crazy flow Rider had that song with the song that
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: broke him was that birthday song? Oh yeah, birth and
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: then he just took that pop shit.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And was like, yeah, I was there during like I
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: feel like, what was the peak? It was like good
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: feeling and while I was and like oh.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah yo, maas there was that weird I mean, did
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: were you ever in like influence to try to make
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: that kind of music?
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: That was all that was around me. So for a minute,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: it was like.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Team Flight was sounding like it was it was our
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: own thing.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: But it was just like if you're surrounded by pop
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: music twenty four to seven, then of course you're gonna
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: like try and write and get that placement. And then
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: of course you know, the A and rs are like,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: well maybe you should try this, so maybe you should
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: keep this for yourself. And then that was around the
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: time it started clicking for me. I was like, no,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I'm starting to develop an idea of like the type
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: of artists I want to be Minu Frank, the Weekend, Janey,
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: everybody started to emerge around that time, and I was like,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: there's something going on over here that I want to
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: be a part of.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: And at that time it was like alternative R and B.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but they didn't like they didn't see it coming
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: over there. They were like, Nah, this is where the
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: money's at.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: It's so funny because I think that I was living
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: in Vegas during that time, and like Vegas was where
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: like that was like twenty ten eleven twelve was like
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the peak of like whatever you would considered edm out
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: there yep. But think of the radio. I just think
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: of pit Bull at that time. Lmfao flow Right, like
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Lady gy Gy yep.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: That was all the time.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: All the hip hop stations were playing Lady God Got Dog.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: It was weird and like flow Rider and pit Bull
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: had the ship in the head they had like that
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: what was that pit Bull song with Neo the Time
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: of your Life? Oh my god?
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I mean I get I get why they weren't listening
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: to me because.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: But it's it's interesting because like, no shots to flow
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Right are like great guy who's been in my club
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and shit, like super dope dope artists, but like I
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: feel like it's like he's gonna eat forever, So it
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: doesn't really his level of success is insane. I think
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: he was part owner of that energy. But I think
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: like there are certain artists where you're like, like, can
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: you sell twenty thousand tickets? You know what I'm saying
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: in my head? Or can you sell out a tour?
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean to me? The hard Selle shit,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: It's like I think it's like a lot doper to
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: build like people who are invested in you personally, because
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: you can have that connection with your fan base and
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: it just feels a little more space. But flow Rider
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: shout out to him.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And there was a clip like on my first
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: album too, on the outro where there was like a
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: real time disagreement or argument happening in the studio. And
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: this was like when I first asked to be released
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: and I was talking to someone who works there, and
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: that was the conversation. It was just like I could
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: do this very specific thing and like become that type
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: of artist, or I could build like a core and
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I could like work it a different way. And that
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: was kind of where we disagreed, and I just went
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: on about.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: So you're in Miami in the time of time.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Yep, I was there.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, South Beach was crazy.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: It was, it was all crazy. It's super crazy when
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: you broke too, because it's like experiencing it happened.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: But it's just like, yeah, yeah, dude, trust me. When
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: I did radio on Tampa and like we'd go to
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Miami and I was, you know, making fucking fifty thousand
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: dollars a year, like struggling like at the time, like
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: try to support my kids and shit, and it's just like, damn,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: this drink is thirty dollars.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Hit crazy. Now, they gave me a lot of money
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: to throw in the club, and I just look at
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: it slipping in my pocket, like I'm not throwing this
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: shit today.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I went through the same era of life, and I'm
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: kind of like low key still in that era where
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: if someone gives me their money to throw, I'm gonna
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: throw some of it from yeah, for sure, I'm gonna
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: throw a little bit of it for sure, but I'm
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: definitely gonna come on like yeah nah.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: They was giving bread to folks who ain't even eight
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: that day. So it's like this is like, bro what
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna throw this It's a brainer.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: You know. Back in the day, I would go to
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the strip club when I was super broke, and I
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: used to DJ at a strip club in Phoenix and
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: when that motherfuckers would make it rain and the ship
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: would fall like near me.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: The step is slide.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: And we got a phone bill paid for it.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I was there, but I was there, and I remember
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: like the moment when I finally saw him after all
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: of it too. I think I saw him in the
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: regular club and I saw him in a strip club.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Did you guys have a moment where yeah, hey man, Yeah.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: It was it was all of it was. It wasn't
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: no pressure. It was just like and also I got
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: to be able to just have my little, my little
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: ego moment and just be like, you know, I can.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Do this now, yeah, like oh look I could throw it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can go to the machine, you know, grab
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: a little bag and do my thing. So it was
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: it was nice to be able to like see it
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: for Did.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: You guys ever have like a I guess, like a
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: convo where it was like, hey man, I know you left,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: but I'm proud of you type shit.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's something in the back of my
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: mind that makes me feel like it happened, even if
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: it was just like a quick DM or something. Yeah,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: but never like a real conversation. Like I said, but I.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Think I think he signed Gorillazoh.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he signs Oh. I remember when Z came. I
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: was done there before Zoe came.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I remember I was doing radio in Tampa
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: and he brought Gorillazo to Club Sky and I was like,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: Gorillazo and oh Rider just at the ball h what
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: is life? And Brus just at the bar with a
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: bottle of tequila. Yep, it's craziness.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Ye eleven to twenty fourteen? For me?
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: What is did fourteen? It was twenty fourteen? I think
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: that this happened. What is the most you've thrown out
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: a strip clubs? I just wonder it's like somebody who's
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: like a kind of an introvert singer songwriter, you know. Yeah,
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: I when you're in that mode, because you did put
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: the sixth that you know, the epe out that was
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: very much in homage to that.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: Yep. And we did a little pop up Magic City
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: thing out here one time where we took.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Off what was that crazy girls? Yeah? Yeah, crazy crazy.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Close Yes, yep, so we uh I mean, But for me,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I still like in the back of my brain, I
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: just got my kids there, like right, I got my
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: kid got tuition right now, Like she's only in fourth grade,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: but she goes to a good school. So at most
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking on a crazy night. I've done like around.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: Twenty thousand dollars.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And this is like it's a lot,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: it's a lot. But when you are, you know, in
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: collective unison with your guys, it's like, Okay, you get five,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: i'll get ten, you get two things. Yeah yeah, And
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know, I ain't got nothing to prove to nobody.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: So it's just if we go and we have fun,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: that's great. But I'm definitely not breaking the bank or
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: like fucking myself up nowadays.
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: I just feel like the strip club is a great
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: place to eat food.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: For sure. I'm trying to eat and I'm trying to like.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: We don't have I mean, Sam's has okay food, but
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't have the you know, like in Phoenix we have Jaguars,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: which is like you go there, there's a full kitchen,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: like you get whatever the fuck you want. Like Atlanta
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: obviously the best chicken wings, you know, Lemon Pepper. Yeah,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: it was built out of Magic City.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Well listen, man, the new album's coming out is May
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: twenty second.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, May twenty second.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Hopefully we don't have to
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: wait three more years for the next one. But it's
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: all good.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: No no, no, no, you know how look.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: I'll take I'll take black albums as they come.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Now, the motor has been running, and like I've been
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: cooking up with my boy Chottish Major in Atlanta, and
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: this is the like the easiest has been to make
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: music for me in a long time. So like the
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: way that we kind of cranked this project out, even
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: though it took the last maybe year and a half
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: to polish, we had ran through like half of the
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: album in probably like three months. So oh wow, I
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: know that we can like really dial in and make
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: some more music.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Is it? Like I always wonder when you are such
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: a like creative and you also can record yourself and
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: you're like I feel like for certain artists, like they
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: don't really have an option when the album's over. It's like, well,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: like we got ten songs, it's over, Like, yeah, I
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: don't want to book any more studio time. But for you,
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: like when do you know like it's done?
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Hmmm, I guess never, because.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's like never.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Essentially, it's like just like you told me, all right,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: have to be like hey man.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you like to this day, there are songs
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: that things have been approved and they're out and their
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: love and whatever, but I'm like them, I wish I
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: could have just like added a couple more backgrounds on right, right.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Right right, and you'll hear it. Yeah, because you're a perfectionist.
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: You hear also like your ears, just I feel like
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: they get sharper as you get older. So like when
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: I thought I was popping my shit in twenty sixteen,
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: it was like I was in a sense, but when
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I listen back now, I'm like my my voice control
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: and like my tone and everything just has mature. So
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: by default you listen to it and you're like.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you get demo itis.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I've had it. Yeah, I've had it, Like first.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Album, playing themselves out of hit records with that shit. Yeah,
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: they're like, man, it's old. It's like no one's heard
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: this song but you and your friends. Yeah, I promise it.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: I've had the biggest, huge artists play me songs and
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this is the number one record, And
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: then I'll see them like two years later and I'm like, hey,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: do you remember when you played me that song? Oh? Yeah, man,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: that shiit. Now we decide not to put it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Like what, there's one on the album right now, that's
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: that was like I feel like at minimum four years
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: in the making.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Fire which song the one with the Okay, so when
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: I hear that, I'll know that is a four year
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: in the making record.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's vintage. I love it advantage.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Is there anything special plan for the ten year anniversary
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: of Free Black?
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we always do a concert, so I'm pretty sure
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: we'll do something in Atlanta. And aside from the ten
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: year anniversary concert, we celebrating all year, so whatever, like
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: like a vinyl drop, Yeah, like I want to do
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: a vinyl drop. I want to do some more merch
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: and yeah, any like activations or events we can put together.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure we'll figure to make it fun.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Kick it with a bear for all time sake.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I know the bear on the cover passed away, so.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you live in California. We have bears here.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that was that was a Hollywood.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: You've got a lot to live for right now, though,
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: don't just kick it with bears all right? Well, listen, man,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the new album's coming out May twenty second. Love is
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• 47:20
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