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Talks to the delightful Lucy McCaul about her choice of The Underwater Menace (2/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  I'm so drunk. Bosh, I'll cut it.
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  Oh man, this is such a great choice.
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  This is how you I was gonna say. I'm glad they avoided the
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  obvious double entendre with the it's just a small jab and then
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  you won't and then over excuse me.
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  I said something to you earlier, right?
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  That is absolutely worthy. I said I have a blow on a kazoo
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  ready. Now there's a when Barry Cryer
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  died people some people pushing on and clips of him in various
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  programs and Of them was with Kenny Everett, he wrote a lot of
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  Kenya with Kenny Everett was material.
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  And there's this this bit and the person who put it on, said
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  you can tell that they're both going.
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  Yes, this is a terrible gag and no, we don't care.
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  And so it's Kenny Everett is lying in a hospital bed and very
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  cry comes out with the enormous syringe and he says, don't worry
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  mr. Everett, it's just a little
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  prick and he says, yes, I know you are, but what are you going
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  to look at the camera? That's a great joke unless you
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  do Rob my street. Okay I'm good for water and
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  things. Do you need to get like I might
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  grab another coffee between 2:00 and 3:00 is your intro?
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  Yes, pressure, but I'm going to count you in.
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  I four, three, two, welcome back to a hamster with a bump in.
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  Doctor Who come free podcast where Joe and I are in Atlantis.
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  We are Lucy. How many of these are you done
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  now? This is your fault is lit.
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  So yeah, where have we been so far?
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  Well, we went to somewhere in East Anglia where there was a
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  very flat landscape or very flat landscape freak.
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  Weather conditions, forgive me, but a gigantic asshole coming
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  out of the beach. This is true and you're and
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  scary duvet covers. Oh my God.
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  That was a bit of a weird story as well.
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  And now look, are you doing all the weird ones?
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  It's ultimately go next. And then after that we had we
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  did the visitation. Oh, that's a bit less.
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  Weird a bit more. Yeah and then we did School
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  reunions. Oh yes, our Sera Jey returning.
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  How wonderful and now we're here I mean we've been all over the
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  place. I'm fascinated to find out where
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  we're going next you know that's yet to be determined, isn't it
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  is yes we'll find out the end of this for weeks.
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  So we've watched the entirety of episode one via Teddy, snaps and
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  I just very briefly. I've got men to ask you during
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  the episode. Actually was taking Snaps, but
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  I'm doing it now. And it's a strange Affair.
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  But we as father's program are happy to sit and watch still
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  pictures for half an hour. I don't find it that order, but
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  then that might just be me. I don't know.
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  I mean I I suppose in a way it's kind of like documentaries used
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  to be where they would show you photographs and you'd hear a
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  voice over talking in the background or there's a famous
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  French science fiction film called ligeti, which is all
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  still photographs with with the voice-over inspired, 12, Monkeys
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  and other things. And it's about a it's about a
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  man who is sort of post-apocalyptic future and
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  people are a man is Back to the past in it's frightening, the
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  bits that I've seen brightening and he's haunted by this idea of
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  seeing somebody killed when he was a child.
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  And of course, when he gets back to the past, the person who he
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  saw give is himself, but that, that is told.
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  So it's almost. So it feels like a documentary
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  because you just see this succession of still images and
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  the voice, the voice over is very calm and very measured, and
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  it's really frightening a It sounds terrifying, but it's each
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  short, it's a short film. But that that was very kind of,
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  it's no different than a comic strip though, is it, which is a
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  series of still images? I suppose the difference is, is
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  this clear? That's, that's the big
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  difference, but the other, and the other thing I suppose he's
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  with, like, we were saying it, sometimes depending on what the
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  pictures are, it's kind of difficult to gauge what's
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  happening, because you can't see, you can see some of the
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  action, but you can't see what's happening at that.
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  When somebody's going, you don't exactly know what's going on.
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  Well I mean I know the loose can Loose Cannon reconstruction is
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  that they do? They do like Scrolls along that
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  explains what's happening off screen and there's it cuts in
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  where they've got the cine film and things like that.
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  Some reason I don't know why this was a bit of a low effort
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  DVD in that respect because they have they have done sore Recons
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  and Actions, and things like that.
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  Why would you imagine? They would leave the underwater
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  Menace out of that Prestige number, but yet, because the
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  wheel in space reconstruction, is it has the scrolling?
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  Yeah. Storyline.
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  Doesn't it on the water? I'm so many have been animated
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  as well. So I'm surprised when they found
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  this episode that I didn't do in animation and have it as a
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  complete story. Well, I mean, we'll never know
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  whenever I'm sure they had the right.
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  I think this was the very last released come out and perhaps.
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  The money had stopped, but they'd found the episode.
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  So, they were like, okay, well, we're going to bring this.
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  Yeah. And I mean it's it's a street
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  would be a strain to watch an entire Adventure until it snaps
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  and that would be a strain. Yeah, it's for the animation,
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  came along that point, I think you'd sort of want to you just
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  have to split the episode up or just listen to the soundtrack
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  and hope you could figure out what was going on, but as it's
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  like with this one, you've got sort of top and tail Telly, snap
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  episodes. Okay, you haven't got the action
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  of the big finale, but you've got live action in between.
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  So and this is kind of like a says, Simple Story.
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  This isn't it? It's not doing anything
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  incredibly complex. There's not new ones
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  characterization who was something like the massacre.
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  You're missing a lot by not seeing what's on the script.
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  Whereas here you're kind of missing the visuals but you can
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  follow the story. Yes II.
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  I've told this story a million times.
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  I'm going to bore you with it, but essentially every partner
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  I've had has taken the piss. Now, the fireball, I sit there
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  watching still pictures with a soundtrack over it and saying,
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  you know, this is this is the true extent of your love for
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  Doctor Who that you're willing to you know, go to these
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  lengths. And finally with somebody now
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  who actually says to me let's watch a load of still pictures
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  and soundtrack over. It was wonderful.
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  Anyway, I'm sorry. No I was just looking up.
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  Legit a to make sure I got the plot right.
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  It was 1962. So a prisoner is sent back
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  survivors of world war three live underground and scientists
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  research, time travel. So they send him back and he has
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  an obsessive memory of a woman. He seen on an observation
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  platform before witnessing a startling accident, he knew.
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  He'd seen a man die. So he goes back.
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  Yeah. And then Office, is he
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  successful passage to the Past experimented attempt to send him
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  to the far future. And he goes back and fears that
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  he's going to be killed and then he's contacted by the people of
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  the future who offer to help him escape to their time
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  permanently. But he asked to be sent back to
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  his childhood, hoping to find the woman that he saw at the
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  airport and it occurs to him that the child version of
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  himself is probably there at the same time and he arrives back
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  and sees an agent of the people he's been working for and they
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  kill him. Well I thought Was like
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  experiencing the film. But that synopsis is bloody
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  chilling. I'm tentatively.
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  Yeah, that's terrific. How is where can I get it?
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  But I'm gonna watch it. I think it's on.
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  I think it's on BFI player. Oh, is it really?
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  Yeah, everybody out there listening.
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  Get was it called again. Lozier T Leisure.
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  What does that mean? The leap literally all those
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  yet. Oh yeah.
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  What are you? Stop wasting your time with the
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  underwater. Many.
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  This and go. Alright, alright.
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  Well, should we leap into moving pieces of episode?
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  Two are kind of in this tight shot.
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  Okay, five, four, three, two, one.
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  And off we go. Hey, do you think the three
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  companions is too many companions?
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  I've asked a lot of people this question, not necessarily, but I
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  think it depends on the companions because I was
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  thinking about this with Ben and Jamie and Polly and trying to
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  sort of put my finger on, what, what sort of what I didn't think
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  quite worked about this one. And I think it's partly that
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  Polly is sort of pushed into the girl in peril.
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  Well yeah well and also that Jamie and sorry just is woman
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  panting on the screen no subtitles.
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  He's partly also that Jamie and Ben are supposed to I think
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  supposed to be similar age and they're both sort of young men.
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  Been is a sailor. Jamie was a fighter in the Army.
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  So you've got to kind of although they're not similar He
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  was, they are similar type so to speak.
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  So they get sent off down the mines together and pulling your
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  separated. Whereas, with the the three that
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  you had originally, you've got Ian and Barbara and Susan who
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  were all and then Vicki who are very different to each, all very
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  different to each other. What about grammar as Yasin
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  Ryan? I haven't watched many of those
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  of their Adventures so I don't really know.
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  I know you quite like Tegan. That's Sara and adric.
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  Yeah, the well they were my first told his team so they're
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  kind of like my standard for what told these teams were very
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  distinct on those free. Very different people.
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  Yeah yeah, yeah. Well I think what does work
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  here? Even if on I agree with you I
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  think something doesn't quite jell completely.
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  What does work is the History between them at their best when.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  I mean there's a big there's a weird but in the Moonbase you
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  know where Ben and Jerry's not fighting over Polly.
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  Hmm. It gets a bit aggressive and I'm
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  like, are we going there? Yeah.
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  But then they decided, then obviously somebody said, you
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  know what, no, it's always been and Polly, isn't it?
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  Come on. Yeah.
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  Oh yeah, it was upsetting about him.
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  He's always obsessing about finding these Duchess, yes,
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  exactly. It's a lovely.
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  Oh, look at this. Lovely set this.
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  Yeah, see them for real. Yep.
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  So does our, the doctor is sort of snooping snooping around do
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  and looking at things and raising his eyebrows over
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  people's shoulders and sort of. But whilst he's flattering
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  Zaroff, I noticed. He sabotages equipment.
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  Yeah. These pave Polly picking things
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  up and so Damon. Now calling jevons is coming to
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  complain that the lights keep going out and the doctors just
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  pulled a fuse or something out and he's doing that kind of
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  Schoolboy thing these finger and he's licked I can't think how I
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  managed to do that. It's sort of like apologetic for
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  like we know you meant to do that, it's great.
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  And it's a kind of needs as well even if this is a bit Tatty, the
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  script, the characterization of the doctors, great, yeah.
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  Oh yeah, yeah. And he's still, he hasn't Zaroff
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  isn't entirely sure at this point, whether whether the
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  doctor he's an idiot or not, you know, whether how much of it
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  he's putting on Laughing Zaroff starts off a little bit.
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  Like I'm normal cuz there's nothing normal about him, but
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  he's not some sort of feeling the doctor out.
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  Doesn't have like like yes. Yeah.
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  And then when he realizes, you know, obviously he's like the
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  best of mind, he tells him is insane plan.
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  It starts going bang, bang, you know, but I think there's only
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  one other performers in Doctor Who you know, where every single
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  line sounds as unnatural. Because 0 and that is traced
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  from Nightmare of Eden. Yeah, I've wondered about trust
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  whether he was supposed to be a send-up of like a tea.
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  There were a couple of TV naturalist in the I think late
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  60s and 70s called Hanson Latios and they were a husband and
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  wife, I think team of Television naturalist and I've heard on,
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  oh, round the horn, the radio show, that Kenneth Williams and
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  You panic any Contour? Yeah, people impersonating them
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  and sort of sending up that kind of their accents and the way
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  they talked about things, I wondered if tryst with Ava needs
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  to be told because it wasn't it was much later on than they were
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  on the Telly. So but I wondered if that was
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  kind of what he was aiming for I always wondered if perhaps like
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  if he was going to play with that called accent.
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  Yeah the that was all a ruse and then when he's revealed that
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  he's actually quite oh he drops that terrible accident.
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  Actually, he's just a new one. Whereas all open, there's any
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  layers like that to try to, they're off.
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  Don't be worried. If you dig deep, I'm not sure
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  you're going to find too much, you know.
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  The nose are also about to tell him that the doctor is saying,
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  you can't possibly dig to the Center of the Earth and drain
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  the ocean away. I mean, I read that, just what I
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  was listening to her. I was like really in awe of all
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  the insane plans. I've heard from Bond and Doctor
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  Who and Star Trek and was I mean this is the maddest.
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  Yes. And he's breaking off because he
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  was interrupted while feeding his pet octopus, whatever is in
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  the tank it's supposed to be a pill to put explosive fabulous
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  sometimes idea but you know it's so crazy is even got that little
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  map where he pulls the plug out and the water.
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  Yeah the apple. And now that now the doctor is
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  attempting to find out. It's precisely how bunkers are
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  off. Actually is It might blow the
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  planet apart. What I love?
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  Oh no, it's one of those, it's a fish in Fish or something.
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  Yes. Hey, pretty.
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  If that's, I love it when he's interrupted and he says, can't
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  you see? I'm talking to my friend and he
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  had obviously the doctor he's talking about the fish.
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  You can tell he's a complete Gaga because he's staring off
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  camera. Looking with that look in his
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  eye zealous gleam and the doctors is just very gently.
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  Why do you want? Or not.
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  What does he say in a minute? Like you are mad you know you're
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  mad or something like that. They possibly hope he was to
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  destroy the entire world as the apotheosis of his great work.
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  Yes. So this is a minor version of If
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  you had in your hat and a virus that would destroy all life.
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  Would you do it? Yes.
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  The doctor says, why do you want to block the world?
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  And he's like basically because he can because he can't ya
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  because he's completely insane. Oh, now this pair I wasn't sure
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  this pair about, you know, Jaco and Sean.
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  Yes. You got like, a Jamaican guy and
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  an Irish guy. That's was quite nice.
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  I like it for the diversity, but like, they sort of in their sort
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  of your stock standard Rebel characters, aren't they that?
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  Yeah, this supposed to be they're meant to be sort of
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  Shipwrecked Sailors, aren't they?
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  That they have been kidnapped by the atlanteans various points
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  and this is down in the performance, I think.
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  Oh yeah. But I don't think there's much
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  to the Like they're, you know, they're not, but I think, I
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  think this is a bit more than I think.
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  The actors possibly put more in there.
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  Was written in them. Maybe they're effectively
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  drummer Space, Museum, Jumbo's hunt.
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  Or does Iran's it serums? Yeah, I mean, I can't remember
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  them at all. Where it's at least, these are a
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  little bit memorable. Yeah, they're at their actual
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  people. Yeah, they team one off with Ben
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  and one off with Jamie. And that's too little subplots
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  going on. Yes, which is quite nice.
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  I'm Lisa. I bet he's looking very handsome
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  you know and I know he is yes I also like the look there's a
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  guard looking over there points a lot trouble with this set.
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  You know they've got a lot of reflective surfaces going on
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  here. There's a camera in there, you
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  know. Oh, look at this.
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  Fellow coming in trying to be all serious with his massive
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  eyebrows. Yeah, this is done though.
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  She's calling Kevin's back again.
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  Saying the girl is escaped and the doctor says they're very
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  important to you, isn't it? I mean, you want all the human
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  labor you can get, don't you? And he says, well two can play
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  at that game if you see this. And what's interesting is this
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  looks like it's going down the route.
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  Sort of episode. 3, of that old are going to incite a
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  revolution. With the Frist fish people are
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  gonna stop the food stores and you think, okay?
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  So I can see how this is going to end.
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  Now they're going to overthrows are off the fish, people will be
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  free and happy days. I don't go that way.
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  It's whole. The whole of my land is goes
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  under yes. Which we kind of know is going
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  to happen. Open.
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  Well, further under it's already under, but literally, it's going
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  under, isn't it? Yes.
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  Yes, absolutely submerged. Well, I do want to talk about
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  that when we get there because those still show that there was
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  a bit of Destruction going on with us, a lot of water.
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  Yes. What do you think about this
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  sad? The the temple.
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  Are they just threw everything at it?
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  Didn't they? It's big, isn't it?
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  Yeah. Oh yeah, yes, it looks like it
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  actually looks like A large space, doesn't it?
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  And the sort of camera goes quite far back at time so sort
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  of depth to it and they fill it with smoke during the
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  ceremonies. I just love that zeref can sort
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  of Mastermind exploding the planet and making underwater
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  nuclear power stations, but he can't invent a fridge.
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  That's a good boy. Now I'm hope I think in there
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  there's they're shooting the audience is not going to be
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  thinking about things like that, all right.
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  But it didn't start voted by out the office.
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  It's it occurred to me I'm reading is horrible Plankton
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  yes. Have you ever tried Plankton?
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  Not knowingly, know I can't love myself so much.
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  It's a bit less seaweed you know, just a bit simply.
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  I mean, I'll take it over starving.
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  Yeah, there we go. That's what people are supposed
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  to be eating in Soylent. Green, isn't it?
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  And it turns out to be something else, is it people?
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  Oh, that's where revelation of the Daleks gets this close from
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  as and it actually doesn't that drop right in the last scene of
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  Soylent. Green like right?
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  Yeah, absolutely does. Yeah.
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  He's apparently, the novel. It was based on the foodstuff is
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  he's actually made from Plankton and Other things.
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  But in the film, they went fully apocalyptic and yeah.
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  Ends with Charlton. Heston just screaming Soylent.
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  Green is people my God. That one last chilling as well.
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  Was it? You want to give people
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  nightmares but could you put up a little ways?
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  Well, thank you very much. Lucy is currently holding up or
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  Willie Jay? And he's cute as hell.
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  I'll tell ya, I got a bit as he anywhere in a quick kill.
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  Yeah, I caught that mostly looks like it's top of either so he's
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  naked. No, it's jumper.
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  Okay, jumper. So and obviously this isn't
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  really the Jamie we set upon eventually is it.
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  He's he's a bit naive at this point and he's doing a bit of a
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  weird accent as well. I think it's he yeah, I don't
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  know whether it's the writing or the direction that sort of
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  because the accent his accent does It a little lighter,
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  doesn't it? Whether whether it was, I mean,
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  presumably with the Highlanders, they would have been asked to
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  have strong island accents. Not being very familiar with the
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  Highland accent. I can't sort of speak to its
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  authenticity but Frozen Hines mother is is pot Scottish okay
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  yes I didn't know that yes his mother is or was Scottish I
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  certainly think he's accent as he plays.
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  It sounds authentic enough. What I think so.
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  Yeah, well, he knew he knew what an actual Scottish accent.
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  Should sound like? So and went from their basic,
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  but then there's the writing as well.
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  So if the writing tell you, Say something in a certain way.
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  Well, he hadn't been in it long enough to say they write them as
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  a historical character for a bit and then they just fight him as
• 22:32
  a character. Yeah, you know, who's he's used
• 22:35
  to these kind of Adventures at this character here at era.
• 22:38
  Yeah. She's really sweet.
• 22:40
  I really like her. Yes, she's great.
• 22:43
  She's very bright on the special features right as she goes home.
• 22:47
  And she goes that thing I was in she goes, he was absolutely
• 22:51
  Bonkers was little It's crazy because I got me dressed up at
• 22:54
  the tail and shells and thanks. Yeah, but she carries it.
• 22:58
  Well, then she cheat you. She makes her a believable
• 23:01
  character. They see too much and I should
• 23:04
  cosplay with one of those High priests hats.
• 23:07
  I think that would depend where you were going.
• 23:09
  I think I could pull it off, you know, down a gay club.
• 23:14
  We definitely have to go in the darkling.
• 23:16
  So there's there's all these sort of Rumblings here, so he's
• 23:20
  the chief scientist and he the high priest talking about zarab
• 23:24
  and they're not sure about him. Are they like, you know, no will
• 23:28
  do Damon. He's getting fed up with him
• 23:30
  because he thinks he's he's work is being sidelined in Aid of the
• 23:35
  big project and he may be having doubts about the big project and
• 23:39
  the high priest who is actually despite wanting to throw. people
• 23:44
  to shocks a fairly person who sort of ease, He's wants the
• 23:53
  wants the best for way. He's Batman.
• 23:54
  Doesn't trust his hair off and then you've obviously got King
• 24:00
  vows. Is that a?
• 24:01
  Yes. Yes.
• 24:03
  And so and he's got his own opinions.
• 24:04
  Well we're not sure about where is Lord is lies until the end of
• 24:07
  episode 3. We learn in a very big way who
• 24:10
  is siding with and then you've got era and this, I'm just
• 24:15
  saying there's a lot of characters and they different
• 24:18
  functions. So there is an attempt to build
• 24:21
  a society I say yes. Yeah.
• 24:23
  As mad as it is. It's yes, there is an attempt to
• 24:29
  I'm not as I give it a sense of realism because hello.
• 24:36
  But I think there's like, you know, power games and oh, yeah,
• 24:40
  yeah, there's a sense of sort of the, the kind of the hierarchy
• 24:44
  than Janeiro's obviously fairly near the bottom of that because
• 24:47
  she's skinny and cleaning tables and being ordered about and
• 24:51
  called girl. You imagine there's a Scenic
• 24:54
  crew behind their smoking 20, Benson's making that switch.
• 24:59
  There's a lot coming out. They look all that is.
• 25:05
  Tribal kvar, isn't it? I think that's what they were
• 25:09
  aiming for. Yes, which is interesting as
• 25:11
  well because it doesn't take the route of Making it look.
• 25:20
  Ancient Greek or from the islands, does it the Greek
• 25:23
  Islands it time? Monster dolls.
• 25:25
  Does? Yes.
• 25:26
  Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
• 25:28
  This is a proper mishmash. This is what I do really like
• 25:32
  the mixture of like the scientific sets and like the
• 25:36
  Atlantis sets? Yes.
• 25:38
  I think, I think it's a nice weird sort of juxtaposition.
• 25:42
  Yes. Oh, this is great this saying,
• 25:45
  well, that's the pot on the heat.
• 25:48
  Yeah. Do you know why, though?
• 25:50
  I think this is a really simple visual to explain to the kids
• 25:53
  watching. Yes.
• 25:55
  Know what could happen? Zero gets his way.
• 26:01
  I think you should ever forget the kids, you know, no I think
• 26:05
  this script ever does. And you know of course he's the
• 26:11
  most anarchic of doctors. Yes, this is our is going to
• 26:15
  demonstrate it by an exploding pot.
• 26:17
  Yes, but then he says I think we should stand a little further
• 26:20
  back. Yeah, he intends to raise
• 26:24
  Atlantis but in little pieces well I thought I might mention
• 26:30
  it, of course if you don't mind being blown up seatrout flicking
• 26:35
  for your script, kind of already got a sell this.
• 26:40
  He does though, doesn't he? And that's, that's the madness
• 26:43
  of this. Is he read us?
• 26:46
  Yeah, it's a like a magic, isn't it?
• 26:48
  Yeah. Oh yeah, I think something that
• 26:50
  Toby Halo said to me when we did the Silence of the library
• 26:54
  Forest of the Dead commentary is a lot of dogs who is ridiculous.
• 26:58
  And this is ridiculous on another level.
• 27:01
  But the sort of the drama and the horror comes from how well
• 27:07
  the actors sell it. It.
• 27:09
  Mmm boy. Do they sell it here?
• 27:11
  Oh yeah. Especially Joseph first, what?
• 27:21
  Okay, a lot of They Don't Really probing very much here.
• 27:24
  What do you want? You imagine occurred in zeref's
• 27:26
  childhood to send him down this path.
• 27:29
  I have no idea who refused to government granted some pot.
• 27:35
  Yeah, I recognize most of the others.
• 27:37
  I like to think that all these madmen and dogs who like morga
• 27:40
  some people are. They've all got these in your
• 27:42
  insane domineering mothers and that would never The, my hog,
• 27:46
  you know. So they always desperate to
• 27:48
  impress them. There was a definite thing in
• 27:51
  the 70s, wasn't there about people having been turned down
• 27:54
  for funding and getting angry about it like what's-his-name
• 27:58
  Whitaker and look, yeah, you remember when they pulled his
• 28:02
  funding and he goes completely. So I guess.
• 28:05
  Yeah. Is this not on film now?
• 28:08
  Because this looks looks slightly different, doesn't it?
• 28:12
  It's got a sort of soft look about it.
• 28:14
  Yeah, But, you know, I've not seen anything.
• 28:17
  Yeah. Visually that, I would be
• 28:20
  embarrassed to show anybody. I think.
• 28:22
  I think it all looks rather good.
• 28:23
  I think the, the embarrassment comes in episode free with the
• 28:26
  dance of the fish. People, if you've got, if you've
• 28:30
  gone down that road you have to keep going.
• 28:32
  Don't you can't look. But yeah, I think the sets.
• 28:35
  The sets look like actual spaces, don't know.
• 28:39
  The lab looks like allowed the temple.
• 28:41
  Looks like a physical room space.
• 28:45
  Not sure about some of the Rocks.
• 28:47
  I wonder if you like, you know. But look, we've got this script,
• 28:50
  right. Let's just for a bit of money, I
• 28:51
  make it look as good as possible.
• 28:53
  Well, they tried and they really did.
• 28:55
  Yeah, it's for everything at it. Have you ever been to the
• 28:58
  ballet? Yes.
• 29:00
  Have you ever seen anything like the dance of the fish people?
• 29:03
  No Chuckles. Believe you said, yes.
• 29:09
  Is that what it's supposed to be as form of?
• 29:13
  I don't know, maybe it's More like synchronized swimming.
• 29:17
  Hola X2 Williams, those mermaid films that she used the the
• 29:20
  underwater swimming lady obviously under water.
• 29:26
  I mean, we're not there yet. What what is that on that altar?
• 29:29
  They craps or simply no idea or the low a big shells anyway and
• 29:35
  that marvelous that door that's right next to the face?
• 29:38
  Yes. I want to see support when it
• 29:40
  opens all the time and the high priest, the high priest.
• 29:46
  I never noticed you see that Polly went boo.
• 29:53
  They are really fun together. That's why I like it.
• 29:55
  Holly Bell and Jaime, and they don't get a lot of time doing
• 29:59
  it. What is it?
• 29:59
  It's this Mac. No moon base macro Terror, and
• 30:03
  then a few episodes of The Faceless ones, and that's it.
• 30:05
  Yeah. Yeah, I think I think the actors
• 30:11
  work well together, although I think there was a little bit of
• 30:14
  tension there with Frasier Hines, coming in because then
• 30:18
  suddenly the lions are all being divvied up.
• 30:21
  Yeah. Between between them.
• 30:23
  Well, does trout not liking that?
• 30:25
  I don't know. But I love how delighted his
• 30:27
  doctor is to dress up all the time as well and it is.
• 30:31
  Yeah, like give me the Hat Ladies and here comes place it.
• 30:35
  Where is that? Seaweed In the background, the
• 30:39
  gulls were in seaweed possibly. Yes.
• 30:41
  Concise like see what is this? Insanity.
• 30:46
  It's at 90 seats Under the Sea. Supposedly, of course, they're
• 30:50
  wearing seaweed, then, you know, it's perfectly logical and here
• 30:55
  is Charles Grover. Yes.
• 30:59
  Oh, you should, you should have thrown a quiz question at me,
• 31:01
  right? Yeah, with very different
• 31:04
  performances. Hmm.
• 31:07
  But I don't think he's over playing this role.
• 31:12
  No, it's slightly. It's a little one.
• 31:15
  There's nothing about this. That isn't all these, they
• 31:18
  really but but it's kind of detached in a peculiar way some
• 31:23
  of it. Yeah, Jenna.
• 31:25
  I feel. He's a bit more committed to
• 31:27
  grovel. I think so that he feels like a
• 31:30
  sort of real grounded person. Yeah, the source.
• 31:34
  Well, I suppose this more about that than this one.
• 31:37
  Kind of reality to grab onto about that.
• 31:39
  Isn't it? What you talking about?
• 31:43
  We love these bits. The professor, he's as mad as a
• 31:45
  Hatter. No Claude.
• 31:46
  He said no answer sad. Yeah, that's what I thought I
• 31:54
  was lines, is reading going. Okay, I cannot do this right.
• 31:59
  But mind, you know, see I could ask you to give the most
• 32:01
  committed performance in the world, you know, I'll shove
• 32:03
  those enormous eyebrows on you. You'd have a bit.
• 32:06
  Yes, is true. Yes, Yes.
• 32:07
  Yeah, I'm making it the costume fitting there was quite a bit of
• 32:12
  well, no he is doing a bit of that sort of called
• 32:14
  Shakespearean a stood up, denisov.
• 32:17
  Grant I am your Superior Ramo. Leave me great bit.
• 32:23
  Doesn't it episode 3? Do with them.
• 32:25
  What you will? Meaning, I want to say that my
• 32:30
  whole life. I don't know if you saw you do
• 32:34
  but I put out to Twitter as they are video of me, just Quoting
• 32:37
  their off, like a madman. I don't want to see that all my
• 32:40
  life as well. I'll look at Polly, wanted to
• 32:44
  dress up now. Yes, And why wouldn't you?
• 32:48
  She looks great in this show costume.
• 32:52
  And actually, this is the second story in a row where they give
• 32:54
  her a like a female, another female character to kind of bond
• 32:59
  with. Yeah.
• 33:00
  Well, that's the thing is that you've got the two male
• 33:02
  characters, Jamie, and Baton, and then this pulley.
• 33:05
  So it's because there's sort of a similar age to each other.
• 33:11
  Presumably in the, in the writing, it's it's, it's like 2
• 33:16
  + 1 or 2 + 1 or 2. You'd it's difficult to do.
• 33:21
  You remember how appalling she was towards Kirsty?
• 33:25
  And the Highlanders, I haven't seen the Highlanders.
• 33:29
  Oh, she's awful. And it's really leaning that
• 33:32
  sort of class divide, because Polly supposed to be sort of
• 33:35
  upper middle, isn't she? Yeah, she is.
• 33:37
  Yeah, and cursed, he's obviously a bit of a primitive of Scottish
• 33:42
  and she calls her, like an ignorant, savage and stuff.
• 33:45
  Like, yeah, it's really, it's quite Josh oh it ended.
• 33:49
  What happened? The the king gave his answer and
• 33:53
  that was to turn. The motors are off always had
• 33:56
  that wonderful bit of that of walks in and looks Ruth mug.
• 33:59
  Yes. What you think about these
• 34:03
  Cliffhanger so far? I think they work fine.
• 34:07
  I don't ya like do you okay, let me have no allies Praises.
• 34:13
  Do you prefer a cliffhanger when it's like a moment of Jeopardy
• 34:19
  or do you prefer a cliffhanger when it's like a hinge in the
• 34:22
  plot. So it's like a plot twist or
• 34:25
  here and I tell me like that, I think I could be really tedious
• 34:30
  and say either. But I mean, I'm used, I'm
• 34:33
  accustomed to moments of Jeopardy because that's what it
• 34:36
  was like watching when I was a kid.
• 34:39
  And yeah, it would be a moment of Jeopardy.
• 34:41
  And you be like, well happening, we've got to wait until tomorrow
• 34:45
  or next week or whenever it was to find out what's going to
• 34:47
  happen, but I don't mind them being sort of.
• 34:51
  Now, I'm a bit, I think when I was younger, I would probably
• 34:54
  preferred moments of Jeopardy because it's more exciting.
• 34:57
  And then you're like, What's gonna happen next.
• 35:00
  And but with sort of being a bit old and being older now I think
• 35:06
  I don't mind that if it's like something that's Developing the
• 35:10
  claw into the next bit because you're still wondering what's
• 35:13
  going to happen next. Yeah, I think you owe your I
• 35:17
  think as a child, the excitement of the Jeopardy we are after
• 35:21
  really as an adult are now I like it when the narrative
• 35:25
  wanders off a bit like do I always saw that one at the end
• 35:29
  of episode 2 of secured if when he comes in and that's exactly
• 35:33
  what I should be asking you doctor and is Julian Glover back
• 35:36
  in time. You know what?
• 35:40
  Better than one right? Always a very Charming Man.
• 35:43
  He's fine. Well.
• 35:46
  Okay, we are heading now into what was the only surviving
• 35:52
  episode of the underwater Menace notoriously.
• 35:56
  So, Should we pop on another look?
• 36:01
  It's do that. We go boo.