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Speaker 2: What's going on?
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Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher, So Wednesday and Howie Roseman continues to shape
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Speaker 1: this Philadelphia Eagles roster.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I got a bone to pick with him.
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind if he made all these moves a
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Speaker 3: little earlier in the day, not at eight o'clock at night.
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Speaker 1: Right, the laptop is put away, and then all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, there's a move. There's another move. You gotta
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Speaker 1: start banging out story. Let's talk about the first move.
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Speaker 1: Fred Johnson is back. Good move. They needed that last year.
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Speaker 1: He was on the team in twenty twenty four. He
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Speaker 1: then got a free agent deal to go to Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: Wasn't working out for him. The Eagles bring him back
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Speaker 1: and that was a big addition for them last year.
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Speaker 1: So they signed him to come back, and that kind
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Speaker 1: of solidifies their swing tackle position.
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Speaker 2: It does, I think it does.
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Speaker 3: Obviously, Fred wants to be a starter and he you know,
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Speaker 3: he tried to be one for Jacksonville last year. It
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Speaker 3: didn't work out, and he was in free agency for
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Speaker 3: you know, after starting several games this year, he was
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Speaker 3: in free agency now for what's about almost three weeks
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Speaker 3: and obviously didn't get what he was looking for in
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Speaker 3: terms of being a starter, so he'll come back to
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Speaker 3: the Eagles. I've had questions, Mike about the body type
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Speaker 3: that the Eagles are going to be looking for on
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Speaker 3: the offensive line with a new offense, where they might
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Speaker 3: be prioritizing people who moved laterally and horizontally more so
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Speaker 3: than road graders, big maulers like Fred Johnson. But at
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Speaker 3: the same time, it's not a you know, you know
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Speaker 3: how bad offensive line plays in league.
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Speaker 2: If you think you've got a good backup.
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Speaker 3: And he can play in your offense, or even if
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Speaker 3: he's not a perfect fit, but he's a good enough backup,
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Speaker 3: you want to sign that kind of especially if he's
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Speaker 3: been in your organization, because they're just not you know,
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Speaker 3: they've tried other guys for depth. Last year, remember before Fred,
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Speaker 3: they had Kendall Lamb and Matt Pryor, and Lamb didn't
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Speaker 3: even make the team and Matt Pryor didn't did but
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Speaker 3: didn't play well.
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Speaker 2: It's hard to find a couple of years ago, they
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Speaker 2: had Nick Gates as a center guard.
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Speaker 3: Never really played him even though he had some starting experience,
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Speaker 3: so it is hard to find capable it's hard to
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Speaker 3: find starting offensive lineman, but it's also hard to find
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Speaker 3: good fifth and sixth and seven guys.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeff Iglady, you went right down the road. I
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Speaker 1: was gonna follow up with Liz Hey. Now you have
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Speaker 1: a new offensive line coach. Does a Fred Johnson fit here?
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Speaker 1: And you know a lot of these guys had the success,
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Speaker 1: you know, because Jeff Staltlin got the most out of them.
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Speaker 1: I think this is a complete on. No. Now you're
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Speaker 1: bringing back a guy that you feel kind of safe
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Speaker 1: and warm and fuzzy about, but you now don't know
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Speaker 1: whether or not you're gonna get what you were getting
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Speaker 1: from him, because look, he went to Jacksonville and they said,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what they saw on this guy.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well not necessarily. Jacksonville basically just wasn't going to
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Speaker 3: start him. And when he didn't become a starter there,
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Speaker 3: Jacksonville felt okay trading him to the Eagles because they
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Speaker 3: were getting compensation.
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Speaker 2: They it's very possible.
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Speaker 1: The reason they go get a Fred Johnson as well.
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Speaker 1: He plays for Philadelphia, he played a lot there.
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Speaker 3: He's got to come here and be better than what
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Speaker 3: we have sure, Sure, and he wasn't better than their
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Speaker 3: best two tackles, but he could have easily been their
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Speaker 3: swing tackle. But who's not going to trade a backup offensive.
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Speaker 2: Lineman for a pick?
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Speaker 3: So like the Eagles were willing to even if it's
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Speaker 3: Day three, you're getting something for a backup offensive lineman.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, Jacksonville, so to talk about fit,
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Speaker 3: you know, under Liam Cohen and Grant Udinsky the offensive coordinator,
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Speaker 3: that is a Sean McVay disciple group right there, And
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Speaker 3: and Erdinsky has also been with McVeigh and Shanahan style guys.
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Speaker 3: So Fred was at least practicing in that style of
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Speaker 3: a somewhat style.
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Speaker 2: Everybody has their own version of it, but I.
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Speaker 3: Imagine some outside zone was a big part of that,
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Speaker 3: and so Fred probably got a little bit of an
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Speaker 3: indoctrination into it there.
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Speaker 1: All right, Well, Fred Johnson's back, that's move number one.
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Speaker 1: Then they go out and get a wide receiver Elijah Moore.
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Speaker 1: Now this is a guy who had talent, second round pick,
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Speaker 1: had a couple of good seasons, one hundred targets in
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Speaker 1: a row. This is the guy that you know, It's
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Speaker 1: not like he's been a stiff. He's had some good years.
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Speaker 1: Last year he goes to Buffalo, a wide receiving starve team,
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Speaker 1: and he really doesn't do all that much. He ended
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Speaker 1: up in Denver last year and didn't appear for them.
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Speaker 1: Now he's in Philadelphia. He's also very close with AJ Brown.
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Speaker 1: Is this because they like the player and the talent
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Speaker 1: or are they trying to smooth things over with A. J. Brown.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure this has anything to do with
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Speaker 3: AJ Brown being on the team. More so than that. A.
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Speaker 3: You know, they need depth of the position, whether.
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Speaker 2: They have AJ Brown or not. I have been you
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Speaker 2: know this. I've been talking to you about this for
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Speaker 2: a while.
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Speaker 3: They really need a guy who's a to me, a
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Speaker 3: natural slot wide receiver. Now, he has played slot and
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Speaker 3: outside in his career, so I don't want to just
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Speaker 3: say he's just a slot receiver, but he can. He
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Speaker 3: has played there and played well there at times. Now
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Speaker 3: this is last chance you for him, because, as you
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Speaker 3: just mentioned, he was with the Bills last year and
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Speaker 3: caught nine balls and didn't even make it through the year.
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Speaker 3: They got rid of him to get Brandon Cooked, who
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Speaker 3: actually played well. So the fact that you know then
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Speaker 3: he went to Denver and they didn't play him at all,
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Speaker 3: and they could have viewed some help shows you that.
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Speaker 3: As Adam and I always say on the podcast, the
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Speaker 3: league tells you what it thinks of these players by
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Speaker 3: the contracts that it signs or the availability. So he's
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Speaker 3: on his last legs and you know the Eagles will
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Speaker 3: give him a chance. But this is not an area,
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Speaker 3: to be fair, where the Eagles have really thrived and
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Speaker 3: flourished these veteran guys, going back to Avante Parker or
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Speaker 3: Paris Campbell or John Ross or even to be fair,
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Speaker 3: John Dotson for a third round pick did not give
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Speaker 3: you the type of production. Now, it might not be
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Speaker 3: his fault. I'm not trying to put that all on Dotson.
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Speaker 3: He's the he was the fifth guy in the pecking
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Speaker 3: mortar when all was said and done.
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Speaker 2: But the point is, you know, the.
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Speaker 3: The receivers have not come to Philadelphia and rehabilitated themselves
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Speaker 3: the way they were hoping to. So I can't say
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Speaker 3: I sit here and have a whole lot of faith
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Speaker 3: that Elijah Moore is going to rediscover himself.
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Speaker 1: Well, and then I guess the follow up is, let's
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Speaker 1: hypothetically say that Aj Brown is traded, is an Elijah Moore,
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Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown, DeVante Smith group of receivers. Has that a
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Speaker 1: good enough room?
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Speaker 2: I mean, what do you think.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if you're bringing these guys in, are
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Speaker 1: you bringing them in to be prepared for the possibility
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Speaker 1: of trading AJ Brown or to compliment AJ Brown?
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Speaker 3: I mean, like we've said both, because the Eagles are
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Speaker 3: very top heavy. A receiver after Let's say a J.
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Speaker 3: Brown's here after a J. Brown, Davante Smith with Dotson
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Speaker 3: now no longer here.
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Speaker 2: What do you have?
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Speaker 3: You have Darius Cooper, you have a punt returner in
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Speaker 3: Britain Covey. You have Johnny Wilson, a six foot six
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Speaker 3: receiver who is was used as a blocking receiver. It's
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Speaker 3: not like you've got a ton of bodies there. And
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Speaker 3: you do have two wide receivers you know who you
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Speaker 3: know with with who can either be.
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Speaker 2: Brittle or hurt.
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Speaker 3: I got I think you just needed bodies there regardless.
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Speaker 3: But now, yeah, especially if you're gonna trade AJ Brown,
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Speaker 3: the need for more bodies is there. But if you're
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Speaker 3: if you're going into Week one of the season and
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Speaker 3: you're your top three receivers are DeVante Smith, Hollywood Brown
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Speaker 3: and this guy Elijah Moore.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that that's really gonna inspire a lot
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Speaker 2: of confidence. I agree, I also think that that wouldn't happen.
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Speaker 1: By the way, what do they think of Darius Cooper.
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Speaker 2: They like him, They like him a lot, Mike.
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Speaker 3: You know, they played him immediately he made the team,
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Speaker 3: which was already half the battle for a rookie undrafted rookie,
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Speaker 3: and then they were playing him in the slot by
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Speaker 3: the way, on run down, So they were just trying
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Speaker 3: to get him involved in some form of fashion. When
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Speaker 3: you're a rookie free agent who makes the fifty three
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Speaker 3: and you're out there like that quickly, even in just
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Speaker 3: a package, right, that just shows you that the team
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Speaker 3: believes in you, wants to get you Repps, wants to
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Speaker 3: be able to find a usage for you, and so
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Speaker 3: I would imagine that's going to continue. Listen, he's not
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Speaker 3: a prototypical slot receiver, and if AJ Brown's not a here,
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Speaker 3: I bet you'll start taking reps on the outside.
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Speaker 2: He's strong, He's two hundred and ten pounds.
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Speaker 3: He's kind of built like AJ Brown, although I'm not
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Speaker 3: making any comparisons, but I thought he was a really
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Speaker 3: interesting find, and I'm very interested to see in year
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Speaker 3: two how his development comes along, because it could be
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Speaker 3: I wrote this story on I don't know if that's
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Speaker 3: why you asked, but I wrote the story on Philly
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Speaker 3: Voyce yesterday about who will be the next version of
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Speaker 3: Reid Blankets read blanket Ship was the next version of
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Speaker 3: TJ Edwards? Right, an undrafted free agent who actually emerges
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Speaker 3: over time into not just a good player, but an
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Speaker 3: impact starter for a good team. Yeah, could that now
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Speaker 3: be Darius Cooper? That would be an excellent story for them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be interesting. He definitely opened eyes in camp,
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Speaker 1: and then of course he didn't play much, and then,
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Speaker 1: as you're just chronicled, towards the end, they gave him
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Speaker 1: a little bit more burn. But as you said, there's
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Speaker 1: just not a lot of targets for these guys in
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Speaker 1: this particular offense. So I don't know how that changes.
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Speaker 1: But you now have Elijah More, you now have Hollywood Brown,
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Speaker 1: They like Darius Cooper. You brought back Goddard. What is
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Speaker 1: your thoughts now moving forward on a Tanner McKee trade.
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Speaker 1: I know we talked a little bit about this on Monday,
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Speaker 1: but is that kind of like the next thing or
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Speaker 1: are they focusing on trying to land and an edge rusher?
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Speaker 1: Like where are they in trying to now that next
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Speaker 1: move is there's still something big they need to do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, what we've reported on inside the Birds is
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Speaker 3: that they don't feel like they have to trade him,
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Speaker 3: or that they even really want to trade him. They want,
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Speaker 3: as always every year, they want to have a backup
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Speaker 3: quarterback that they feel really good about who can step
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Speaker 3: in and win games if the starter goes down, and
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Speaker 3: they prefer to have that guy at a decent cost
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Speaker 3: and not having to pay him. Remember when they had
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Speaker 3: Nick Foles the backup and he was making a lot
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Speaker 3: of money, and then that's what led to them drafting
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Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts. This idea that you really want to cost control,
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Speaker 3: you don't want to They dedicate so much money to
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Speaker 3: their starters and then everybody else makes so little money
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Speaker 3: that they're really trying to do this thing to have
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Speaker 3: as much cost controlled talent as they can. And right
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Speaker 3: now Tanner McKee is that for them. But how he
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Speaker 3: knows business better than anybody. He enters the last year
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Speaker 3: of the deal, and so if someone's willing to give
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Speaker 3: them a high enough pick to make it worthwhile that
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Speaker 3: it may. That's why you have Andy Dalton here. Now
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Speaker 3: he can slide into that number two spot. You can
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Speaker 3: draft another developmental quarterback. But what you'll have to if
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Speaker 3: you're Howie Roseman, what you have to measure is you
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Speaker 3: might get like a third round off or fourth round out.
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Speaker 3: You have to measure, well, is it better to take
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Speaker 3: a third round pick now for this draft, which might
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Speaker 3: be you know you might find be fair value, or
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Speaker 3: hold on to Tanner McKee have him potentially help you
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Speaker 3: win a super Bowl if that's how far you go,
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Speaker 3: because he has to go in and play a couple
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Speaker 3: of games for an injury, and then you're gonna wind
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Speaker 3: up getting a comp pick the following year, because he's
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Speaker 3: obviously gonna leave after next year and sign what probably
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Speaker 3: will be a good enough contract to at least get
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Speaker 3: you out four right, depending on what kind of contract
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Speaker 3: he signed. So you have to weigh the idea of
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Speaker 3: getting maybe a higher pick now versus a lower comp pick,
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Speaker 3: but another year out of him and that important role
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Speaker 3: of helping you win games.
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Speaker 2: And then also the X factor is, and I got
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Speaker 2: to throw this in.
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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to, you know, disrespect anybody, but they're
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Speaker 3: running a.
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Speaker 2: New offense here. You know.
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Speaker 3: You imagine Jalen Hurts is gonna do fine or be
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Speaker 3: at least as good as he's been the last few years,
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Speaker 3: if not better.
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Speaker 2: But there's a.
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Speaker 3: Chance that it doesn't work and he's gonna make a
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Speaker 3: whole lot more money than his cab.
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Speaker 2: This is a big year for jail On Hurt.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if he falls on his face or if
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Speaker 3: he suffers an injury where he's out a long time
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Speaker 3: and it might be career threatening, well then you have
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Speaker 3: to decide.
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Speaker 2: Like what you're doing with him. And then you've got
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Speaker 2: Tanner and McKee.
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Speaker 3: So there's all sorts of things that Howie would have
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Speaker 3: to weigh there with Tanner.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask the question about AJ Brown real fast
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Speaker 1: in terms of what you just said. If you didn't
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Speaker 1: trade AJ Brown, Like, let's say you don't trade him,
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Speaker 1: there are precedent that you can get a first round pick.
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Speaker 1: That first round pick likely will not come until next year.
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Speaker 1: What do you think the value of him is one
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Speaker 1: year later?
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Speaker 3: Wait, I'm sorry you're saying if you don't trade a
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Speaker 3: what about a first round pick?
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Speaker 1: If you traded Aj Brown. After the draft, you're getting
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Speaker 1: a first round pick for next year.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: But if you don't trade AJ Brown and you hold
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Speaker 1: on them for the season, what kind of value does
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Speaker 1: he have playing another season here? Does that lesson? So
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Speaker 1: do you take the first round pick when you can
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Speaker 1: get it, or do you have him play here? Maybe
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Speaker 1: try to trade him next off season? But the value
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Speaker 1: is what?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's a tough hypothetical only because I
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Speaker 3: mean we're sort of discounting the element of he may
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Speaker 3: not really want to be here, and you know, you're
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Speaker 3: talking about what if you just have him on the
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Speaker 3: team and playing here and that might cause you all
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Speaker 3: sorts of dissatisfaction and he may.
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Speaker 1: Know your mind, is that the most value?
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Speaker 3: But if he's not happy and he's playing the way
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Speaker 3: he did in the playoff game, his value is not.
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Speaker 2: Gonna be very good because he's not gonna be a
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Speaker 2: very good receiver, right.
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Speaker 1: Your mind is that the most is that where we
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Speaker 1: are right now, that he doesn't want to be here?
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Speaker 3: I think that that's I think that that's the most
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Speaker 3: likely scenario that he prefer to be elswhere. Yeah, So,
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Speaker 3: like now, if you said AJ Brown, your only option
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Speaker 3: is to play for the Eagles or get traded for
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Speaker 3: the Browns. I think that that's a different conversation, right, Like,
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Speaker 3: I don't think it's as cut and dried as does
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Speaker 3: he want to be here?
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Speaker 2: Does he not want to be here?
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Speaker 3: I think it's like, well, what are my alternatives of
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Speaker 3: where I want to be?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 3: You obviously know you obviously know how he feels about
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Speaker 3: the Patriots. I don't think anybody needs to be uh,
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Speaker 3: you know, you know, alerted to the fact that.
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Speaker 1: Well, this whole Patriots thing is almost this whole Patriots
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Speaker 1: thing is almost like when he got traded to Philly
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Speaker 1: and we were hearing about him and Jalen Hurts being
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Speaker 1: these great friends. It's like, who knew that these two
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Speaker 1: guys were connected in such great friends? And now it's
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Speaker 1: the same thing with the Patriots. Well, oh, I'm a
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Speaker 1: Patriots fan and all, you know, the Vrabel stuff obviously
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Speaker 1: makes some sense. So are you at the point too
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Speaker 1: still where it's Patriots or bust?
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Speaker 3: I mean there's always a chance another because if it's
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Speaker 3: after the draft, the team that may think it's getting
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Speaker 3: you know, like the Arizona State kid in the.
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Speaker 1: First round or something like that, or not a great
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Speaker 1: wide receiver class.
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Speaker 2: No, it's not a great wide receiver class.
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Speaker 3: So but there's always a team that thinks it can
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Speaker 3: get a guy and doesn't get a guy and then
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Speaker 3: reevaluates the situation.
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Speaker 2: But I would still handicap it. Yes, more likely the
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Speaker 2: Patriots than anybody else.
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Speaker 3: All Right, So I think if this Puka Nakua stuff,
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Speaker 3: which is really crazy, I mean, now you see why
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Speaker 3: the Rams were probably interested in aj Brown with what's
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Speaker 3: come out about Puko over the last twenty four hours.
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Speaker 3: And this is the second time he's been in the
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Speaker 3: news for doing some crazy things. So I don't know,
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Speaker 3: we'll see, all right, maybe we'll get back in or
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Speaker 3: something possible.
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Speaker 1: Right, And keep in mind, yeah, he was sued over
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Speaker 1: some alleged anti Semitic remarks. Apparently he bits somebody somebody.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, keep an.
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Speaker 1: Eye on what's happening there as well. By the way,
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Speaker 1: as we told you about a half hour ago, the
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Speaker 1: NFL will be opening on a Wednesday next year. The
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Speaker 1: Seahawks will play on Wednesday night. That is because the
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Speaker 1: Australian game will be on Thursday at eight ten, and
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Speaker 1: that game will be played in Australia at ten thirty
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Speaker 1: in the morning to be able to be on television
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Speaker 1: here in prime time, it'll be the Niners and the Rams.
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Speaker 1: In Australia, the Seahawks will play on Wednesday night to
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Speaker 1: kick off the season, and that was just announced a
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Speaker 1: little while ago. By the way, the Tush push is
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Speaker 1: not on the vote this year.
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Speaker 2: I'm actually a little surprised.
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Speaker 3: I know how The big sarcastic comment is, well, it
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Speaker 3: didn't work for the Eagles, so and very fair fair
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Speaker 3: to say that. You know, the NFL was hypocritical about
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Speaker 3: this from the beginning. I always felt the play was
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Speaker 3: gonna get out lawed, but apparently I was wrong about that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, if the Eagles would have won
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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl again, I'm sure, and that was the
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Speaker 1: reason why it probably wouldn't be around.
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Speaker 3: I would think so interesting if if, if, if they're
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Speaker 3: successful with it this year, does the NFL have the
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Speaker 3: audacity to bring it back up?
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Speaker 2: That would that would? I mean, I know, but the
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Speaker 2: NFL is ridiculous at times, So all right.
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Speaker 1: Jeff Boscher of course, check out his work over at
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Speaker 1: Philly Voice dot com and of course all the Eagles
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Speaker 1: coverage Inside the Birds, Inside the Birds dot com the
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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds podcast, which you can get on all
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Speaker 1: podcasting platforms. Andrew to Checko's here tomorrow. Adam Kaplan's back
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Speaker 1: on Friday. Have a good weekend, man, you too.
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Speaker 2: Talk to you Monday,