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Dark History of the Ouija Board: Murders, Madness & Mysterious Communication · PNW Haunts & Homicides

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  Speaker 1: Man cheats with Ouija board. I'm like, maybe he was
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  Speaker 1: like with a ghost at night. And that's how the
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  Speaker 1: Ouija board knew. And it was telling her what was
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  Speaker 1: going on.
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  Speaker 2: That could be. That could be. Or if you're like me,
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  Speaker 2: you're thinking sort of more of like in a literal
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  Speaker 2: like American pie type of way.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, like with the planchette hole. God. God.
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  Speaker 2: And at that point, like, what are you really missing
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  Speaker 2: out on?
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  Speaker 1: You know? I'm never looking at a planchette the same.
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  Speaker 1: I'm literally looking at it right now. Oh, my God. Hi, Caitlin.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, Cassie.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, creepy people.
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  Speaker 2: Hello.
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  Speaker 1: This is PNW Haunts and Homicides, where we chat about
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  Speaker 1: true crime, the paranormal, and all things spooky season in
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  Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest. Or the PNW, if you're nasty.
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  Speaker 2: Last week was particularly nasty.
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  Speaker 1: It was so good that Taylin remembered it. I love that.
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  Speaker 2: I know. She's a good egg.
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  Speaker 1: I know we missed her today. Sorry, guys. She'll be back.
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  Speaker 1: She will be back. She's not gone or anything.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're like, that was just a trial and it
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  Speaker 2: didn't go well.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't work out. We actually fired her. No, no, no. No,
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  Speaker 1: but like us both, she needs a break too. So
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  Speaker 1: that's why there's three of us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Honestly, it's been working out really splendidly so far
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  Speaker 2: for the three of us. So hopefully you guys like it.
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  Speaker 1: And if you don't, too bad.
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  Speaker 2: Suck it.
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  Speaker 1: And we also do tarot in our episodes. And if
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  Speaker 1: you don't like that, you can also suck it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, or you can just, you know, like you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to listen to that part if you don't
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  Speaker 2: want to, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: But you should. I mean, it's fun.
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  Speaker 2: It does hurt my personal feelings, but that's cool.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we probably have said it before, but
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  Speaker 1: even if you don't like the tarot or you don't
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  Speaker 1: believe in it or whatever, like, yeah, listening to us
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  Speaker 1: doing it, we still have we still are talking about
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  Speaker 1: things that happened in the episode. And, you know, sometimes
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  Speaker 1: things come up that like we. didn't add in the
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  Speaker 1: notes or something that just like come up through tarot
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  Speaker 1: so you get like a little extra info sometimes so
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  Speaker 1: it's fun.
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  Speaker 2: I know i think about that because i'm like if
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  Speaker 2: there are people that are kind of religiously tuning out
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  Speaker 2: like as we go into the tarot there's probably things
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  Speaker 2: that i was like oh and i remembered this.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah for sure now you'll never know yeah so
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  Speaker 1: oh well Well, anyway, it is like full on spooky season.
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  Speaker 1: This is like literally the last week of spooky season
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  Speaker 1: that this comes out. Yeah. Like, where did the time go?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. And I had a really great idea
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  Speaker 2: for a costume. And I have to tell you that
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  Speaker 2: I spent hours trying to track down the things that
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  Speaker 2: I needed, like as dupes. Because I wanted to be
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  Speaker 2: the flannel and boot and negligee wearing daughter from Practical Magic.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, this is everything that I am.
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  Speaker 2: It's like the classy satin negligee. But she pairs it
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  Speaker 2: with boots because, you know, practical footwear is important. And
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  Speaker 2: then the flannel to stay warm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it is called Practical Magic. So.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And the jewelry was on point. I was so close
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  Speaker 2: to really like nailing it. But I was like, hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So by the time I source all of this, how
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  Speaker 2: much will I have spent?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Dang it.
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  Speaker 2: As of yet, I think our only plans may be
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  Speaker 2: handing out candy to trick-or-treaters at Chris's parents' house. So
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  Speaker 2: I don't... I think I can throw on any old
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  Speaker 2: costume I've ever worn before and they won't know the difference.
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  Speaker 1: So that is true. That is true. You don't need
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  Speaker 1: a lot, but it is fun when you find something
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  Speaker 1: that you're like, oh, I just really want to be that,
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  Speaker 1: you know? I know.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, maybe I will just pick it back up and
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  Speaker 2: do it next year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. You know, maybe you'll like find things
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  Speaker 1: cheaper throughout the year or something.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of what I'm hoping. I would love to
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  Speaker 2: do that. And I think it'll still be fresh enough
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  Speaker 2: that I could. But we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see what happens. I'm going to be Patrick
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  Speaker 1: Starfish from SpongeBob.
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  Speaker 2: Love that. I am instead going to focus all of
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  Speaker 2: my remaining spooky season energy, I think, on my candle project.
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  Speaker 2: Because I've got all the things I need to be
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  Speaker 2: able to take all of my bits and bobs and
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  Speaker 2: odds and ends of candles and bring them back to life.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. That's so spooky and witchy. Yeah. Okay. So, well,
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  Speaker 1: in honor of spooky season, Halloween season, I've been picking
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  Speaker 1: things that are like, you know, a little demonic and
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  Speaker 1: devilish that you haven't really been here for. I know.
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  Speaker 2: What is going on with that?
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  Speaker 1: I know. Well, I thought it was funny because I
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  Speaker 1: was like trolling you in the episodes like, oh, Caitlin's
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  Speaker 1: not here. She's too scared to like sit in for
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  Speaker 1: these episodes meanwhile this bitch went to like one of
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  Speaker 1: the most haunted places ever that's right that's right and
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  Speaker 1: i brought you back uh something fun and i bought
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  Speaker 1: two tarot decks since i.
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  Speaker 2: Saw you last one of which i bought on the
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  Speaker 2: queen mary yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that the deck you used for your yeah i
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  Speaker 1: don't It was last time, so. Yeah, I was really
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  Speaker 1: excited to hear about that. I was like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: I need to know what happened. I need more stories
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  Speaker 1: for the Queen Mary.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I know. And really only kind of the
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  Speaker 2: one spooky thing happened to us, which I did sort
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  Speaker 2: of like give Taylin the TLDR about, but I was like.
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  Speaker 1: I can wait.
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  Speaker 2: I know, we have to have Chris come on because like, Well,
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  Speaker 2: everybody knows me. I'm scared of everything. And yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: like his description and the fact that like he is
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  Speaker 2: pretty skeptical about all of this stuff. And he made
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  Speaker 2: a face like I don't have an explanation for that.
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  Speaker 2: Like he was freaked out.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Oh, I'm going to pee myself. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so excited to hear about this. I know. Well, today
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk about something that's a very Halloween,
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  Speaker 1: very on brand. We're going to talk about Ouija boards.
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  Speaker 2: You're kidding me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, do you have a Ouija board story? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: because I was going to ask you if you had one.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't because as you know, I've never
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  Speaker 2: I've never played with that fuckery.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I figured you wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: But OK, I wasn't going to do this because I
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  Speaker 2: wanted you to actually see it.
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  Speaker 1: But OK, hold on. What is happening?
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  Speaker 2: There's more stuff that I want to get. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: pretty sure they gave me a coupon code. on my
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  Speaker 2: receipt at the Queen Mary, but the thing that I
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  Speaker 2: brought back for you.
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  Speaker 1: Is it a Ouija board?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Is it like a little keychain Ouija board?
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  Speaker 2: It's a keychain Ouija board and it says the Queen
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  Speaker 2: Mary on it. What? They have. It's literally like going
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  Speaker 2: to a little witchy shop when you go to their
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  Speaker 2: like gift shop downstairs at the end of the tour.
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  Speaker 1: That is crazy. How do you know I was going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I didn't. And we like haven't recorded
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  Speaker 2: together for a while. And I mean, I had this
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  Speaker 2: when we came home from our trip and you'd been
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  Speaker 2: here with the dogs.
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  Speaker 1: But I totally like We were so fried at that point.
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  Speaker 1: I totally didn't even.
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  Speaker 2: Think about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, oh, this is ungodly. We were so tired.
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  Speaker 2: But anyways, so that's pretty crazy because I was like,
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  Speaker 2: this is so cute. Honestly, they had actual Ouija boards too.
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  Speaker 2: But I was like, I don't have room for that
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  Speaker 2: in my suitcase.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you wouldn't even use it with me.
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  Speaker 2: No, I would be like, take this home, get it
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  Speaker 2: out of my house right now.
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  Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 2: Do not take the plastic off.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. You can't take.
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  Speaker 2: The shrink wrap off until you get home.
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  Speaker 1: That's so funny, though. Yeah, maybe I was just channeling
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  Speaker 1: like you because I picked this topic like Wednesday or Thursday. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so that was really meant to be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. So... That's so cool. Oh, my God. I
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  Speaker 1: can't wait to play with it. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So
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  Speaker 1: I was going to ask you if you had any
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  Speaker 1: Ouija board stories and you don't because you like would never.
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  Speaker 1: And I've had one that I told on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know what episode or anything. So I'll
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  Speaker 1: just kind of recap it for you.
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  Speaker 2: I was going to say, I don't know if I
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  Speaker 2: remember it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I'll refresh your memory. So it was Halloween. I
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  Speaker 1: think it was like 2021. We played with a Ouija board.
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  Speaker 1: And like one of the people we were playing with
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  Speaker 1: wasn't like didn't really believe it was kind of just
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  Speaker 1: messing around. It didn't it didn't work. It didn't do anything.
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  Speaker 1: So we kind of just stopped and whatever and left
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  Speaker 1: it out. And then I was like getting ready for bed.
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  Speaker 1: I was in bed. I had brushed my teeth. I
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  Speaker 1: have my water. I had my chapstick. I had like
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: everything I needed. And I like was in bed going
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: to sleep. And all of a sudden I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I need to like go downstairs. And I can't remember
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  Speaker 1: what I thought I needed to go downstairs for. But
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  Speaker 1: I like had to go downstairs. And so I got up.
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  Speaker 2: It was summoning you.
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  Speaker 1: I know. So I got up, I got my robe
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  Speaker 1: on and I opened the door to go in the hall.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, wait, what was I doing? Why
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  Speaker 1: was I going downstairs? I have my water, I have everything.
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  Speaker 1: And I could not remember the reason I needed to
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  Speaker 1: go down there. So I was like, you know what?
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to go. I think I'm just going
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  Speaker 1: to go back to bed. That's really weird.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because there was no reason. I hate that. It's
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  Speaker 2: my least favorite story.
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  Speaker 1: And like, you know, we all do that where we
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: like walk into a room and you're like, oh, like,
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  Speaker 1: what did I come in here for? But like, legitimately,
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  Speaker 1: I knew there was something I needed. And then all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden I couldn't remember it. And that's just
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  Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, there was nothing. There was nothing it
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  Speaker 1: could possibly have been that I needed to go down
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  Speaker 1: there for. But so then I go down there in
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  Speaker 1: the morning and we have those like battery powered candles
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  Speaker 1: that you like twist, you know. And so I twisted
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: them all off, you know, before I went to bed
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  Speaker 1: and didn't see that any of them were on when
• 10:59
  Speaker 1: I went to bed or anything when I turned off
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: the lights. And I come down in the morning and
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: like one of them is on. And I was like, oh,
• 11:07
  Speaker 1: that's kind of weird. Like, I'm sure it just is,
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: you know, it's twisted. It could have just. Had that
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: spark of energy from the battery. I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: that shit works, but it kept happening throughout the day
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  Speaker 1: until I took all the batteries out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like that. I don't like that at all.
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  Speaker 1: Different candles, too, would light up.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: So that's my little only Ouija story I have, but
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of fun. Oh, I do remember, too, when
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  Speaker 1: I was putting it away. I put it like in
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: this it's like a bench seat where I kept all
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: my Halloween stuff. And so I put it away. And
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  Speaker 1: then for some reason, I was like, oh, I need
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  Speaker 1: to go look in the bench seat for something. I
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: don't know what I again, I'm like putting away my
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: Halloween stuff. Why would I need to go and like
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: look in there for something? And then I opened it
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  Speaker 1: and I couldn't remember what it was. But like the
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  Speaker 1: little planchette was glowing.
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  Speaker 2: No, no. And that's that's that's when just no, no.
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  Speaker 1: And it is like glow in the dark, but you
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: have to push it down for it to start. And
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: nothing was on top of it. It was just sitting
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  Speaker 1: on top.
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  Speaker 2: I just I don't like that.
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  Speaker 1: So that's kind of weird.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like I don't I don't like that.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing ever happened after that. Like nothing, nothing weird and crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That's the only thing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that you know of.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. I guess I don't live in that
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  Speaker 1: house anymore. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Thank goodness. Honestly.
• 12:35
  Speaker 1: My Ouija board's in storage. It's probably mad at me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: I wonder how many storage units are haunted, you know?
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: We need a new, like, storage wars. Like, haunted storage wars.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have it in me. It's too scary. I
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  Speaker 2: don't like it.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone's weird.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like it at all.
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: Antique.
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  Speaker 2: And all antiques are kind of weird.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. I think. I think so, too. Pretty, but weird.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty weird, I think, is operative term there.
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  Speaker 1: Keep it pretty weird. All right. So do you want
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  Speaker 1: a little brief history of the Ouija board?
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  Speaker 2: Obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Sometime between 1890 and 91, while they were trying to
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  Speaker 1: get the patent for the Ouija board, It is said
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  Speaker 1: that one of the investors' sister-in-law used the talking board
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  Speaker 1: that they created to ask for a name, and it
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  Speaker 1: spelled out Ouija. Oh. O-U-I-J-A.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: They asked the board what it meant, and it said
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  Speaker 1: it meant good luck. So that's what they named the board. Later,
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  Speaker 1: the creators claimed that they came up with the name
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  Speaker 1: by combining the French and German words for yes. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't think that's as fun. Ja. Well, yeah. Oui.
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  Speaker 2: Ja.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. This brings me to the pronunciation. So there are
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  Speaker 1: like two main ways people say this word, and that's
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  Speaker 1: Ouija or Ouija. Ouija. And they're both in multiple sources
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  Speaker 1: as being like the correct way.
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  Speaker 2: The correct. Okay.
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, I guess say it however you want.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter. I think I kind of go
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: back and forth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I do too.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm like, if it's supposed to be a French
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  Speaker 1: and German word, as you claim, kind of as you
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: were saying, wouldn't it be Ouija or Ouija? Ouija. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The German for jaw is pronounced. Yeah. So it would
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: be Ouija.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I feel like.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. OK. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Fair enough.
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  Speaker 1: Well, like you're you're this is like a talking to
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  Speaker 1: Spears board. Why wouldn't you want to like perpetuate this
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: thing that it named itself? Like, that's fucking cool. So
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Huh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So the U.S. Patent Office only approves things that
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: operate as advertised, if you didn't know. OK. But it
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  Speaker 1: makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: So, OK, I was going to say, did they just
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  Speaker 2: like get an exception because of the old timiness or
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  Speaker 2: are they claiming that it operates as advertised?
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  Speaker 1: So the patent officer on the case, on the case,
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: on the case, said that if the board spelled out
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: his name, it would be proven to work. And that's
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: something he didn't tell anyone beforehand. Oh. So he was
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: a bit surprised and spooked when the board did, in fact,
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  Speaker 1: spell out his name, gaining his approval of the patent.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, OK, I'm sold.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Right. Isn't that kind of cool? And it's like, of course,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know who he was playing it with or
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: if he was just like doing it himself. If he
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: was playing with someone, obviously, like they would have known
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: his name, but it Like not. Right. No one knew
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: that he was thinking in his head, oh, it needs
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  Speaker 1: to spell out my name.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They couldn't have known that that was going to be
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  Speaker 2: his requirement. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean. Right. I guess maybe a good guess. I
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess if you if you were just going
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: to try to guess at like what he would want
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: the thing to do. Not a bad guess. Yeah.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: But still, it convinced him and he approved the patent.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: So what was originally meant to be a game, a
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: fun date night activity, eventually turned into something evil and dangerous.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: So it really was meant to be like kind of
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: a date thing. Like they used to sit on chairs
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: facing each other and with like the board on their knees.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: So you would be like kind of close. You'd be
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: like in a dark candlelit room. You could like knock
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: knees with your sweetie. I don't know about all that.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like taking your date to a scary movie,
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: you know, like you get scared and then you might
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: have a chance to like, you know, cuddle them, make
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: them feel better. I guess. You're like, not for me.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe some girls like these weirdos like Cassie over here.
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, a little bit. I don't want to sound
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: too judgy, but yeah, a little bit.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: A little bit. I thought it was super interesting, though,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: that they used to like place it on their knees
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: because that's not a steady surface.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like that would make the planchette maybe move
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: more than. Yeah. Maybe unintentionally, but it's not a steady surface.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: And if you're like shaking or something because you're nervous,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: But like, doesn't that make it seem like. So if
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: it's not stable, doesn't that make it seem like. It
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: would be that much harder. Like it'd be that much
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: more obvious to like try to direct it like any
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: which way.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe. I don't know.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Like because I feel like you would have to be
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: really swiping it hard one way or the other.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure. I think we should
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: try it. Well, you don't want to try it, but
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: someone should try it with me. Let's knock knees and...
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Do Ouija board.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Like it's a game show. She's like accepting contestants.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, please. But then eventually, in addition to many believing
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: the boards drove people insane, which we'll talk about a
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: little bit later. It was about the 70s when it
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: was in The Exorcist, the movie The Exorcist. And then
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: like Catholics got involved and it kind of just has
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: been viewed in a negative light ever since then.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. They've got sort of a way
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: of ruining things.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, which makes sense why you're so against it. It's
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: just like in your veins, you know. In your blood.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe. Maybe a little.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about some haunted places that
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: have contacted spirits using Ouija boards.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: Plunkett Center at Southern Oregon University in Ashland. This is
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: a colonial revival style home, which we've heard of before.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: We sure have.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: It's built in 1904. In the 70s, a political science
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: professor spent the night inside with a campus security guard
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: and three students to see if they could find any ghosts.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: The Ouija board spelled out that one of the students
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: had tried to unalive themselves. Which they had never told anyone. Oh.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: so they were freaked out by that and then all
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: of a sudden the board shoots up about a foot
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: and a half and they all ran uh what yeah
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: so apparently the board like just jumped up in the
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: air i don't know and they weren't doing it on
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: their knees i don't think so.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Okay I was going to say, yeah, that's one of
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: the things that might be easier to do with it
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: on your knees, I guess.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: But damn.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: No, but I think it was on a table and
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: it just, yeah. So they all ran away and they're like, nope,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: we don't care about. I think we found the ghost
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: and that's that. Bye.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: I'm out.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Bye. In Battleground, Washington, at Julio's Coffee and Breakfast, The
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: manager sees a ghostly woman in blue. And the figure
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: has even been caught on their surveillance footage. I couldn't
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: find it, but that's like pretty crazy that you're catching
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: what you're seeing in real life on your cameras.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels a little bit. I don't know. Maybe
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: they're saving that footage. They're trying to monetize it somehow.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: That's why he can't find it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. The previous business
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: was a sports bar and staff reported regular poltergeist activity there.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think surprising no one.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: The building is only 28 years old, just like Caitlin.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. The.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: But the property is said to have had a brothel
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: on it in the past.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. See, that's where we part ways because I've
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: never had a brothel on me.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: But the woman who owned it, her name was Mary.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of close to Caitlin. What?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Like Queen Mary, I guess.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: It's sort of a through line. Weird coincidence connection. Yeah.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: So while paranormally investigating there, I don't know if that's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: a thing, but I like how it sounds. Paranormally investigating.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of sounds like you're the paranormal
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: thing investigating.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does a little bit. While conducting a paranormal investigation.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Is that? Yeah, sure. While conducting a paranormal investigation there
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: and using a Ouija board, they have made contact with
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Mary and she told them that she wears a blue dress.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Specifically a blue dress.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently. Allegedly.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Allegedly.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: So that's obviously, I mean, if it's to be believed,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the Ouija board that they're seeing Mary walking around in
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: the blue dress. That's kind of cool.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I like it. That feels like it has a little
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: more oomph to it, you know?
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: It's like validation of the Ouija board info and also
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: what you're seeing, I think, too.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Next, we're going to the Hasida Head Lighthouse, which is
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: one of the most haunted places on the Oregon coast.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: A group of Lane Community College students used a Ouija
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: board in the Keeper's house.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, great idea, guys.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They got the name Rue in connection to a
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: well-known entity on the property, the Gray Lady.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Interesting. The Gray Lady.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. People speculate that she was a keeper's wife who
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: possibly lost a child on the property. Oh, why she's
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: still there. Yeah. I know. It's really sad.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: It's really sad.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: People report seeing her or another elderly woman in the
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: attic window. Oh, so I don't know. They call her
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: the gray lady. I don't know if she's old or
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: she just appears like gray in color. Right. I'm not
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: sure if like the old woman is the same as
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the gray lady i'm not i wasn't clear on that
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: when i was reading through.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah i wonder i feel like sometimes it seems like
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the representation that people see is just kind of i
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: don't know it's like um almost i i don't want
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: to say like hologram But like kind of it's like
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: a little bit whitewashed. It's like pale or you know
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: what I mean? It looks like an old timey photo.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I picture.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Stop me if I'm not making any sense.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: No, that's like exactly what I picture. Like a black
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: and white TV.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: You know? Yeah. In the 20s, the Oregonian claimed that
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the Ouija board was a home essential.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Stop it.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: And you can grab your own at downtown's Meijer and
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Frank for just 98 cents.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: A bargain at any price. I know.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: So cute. I think they meant downtown Portland when they
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: said that.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: They just said downtown.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: But I mean, we knew what they meant.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Several Portland locals claim to utilize Ouija board messages in
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: everyday life, like to predict the weather. Which one man
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: did successfully for years.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Or is this where you tell me that that man
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: was Matt Sabino?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. That would be so funny. Like local
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: weatherman uses Ouija board. Just saying.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Like, has anyone asked?
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I was just thinking, like, it's always raining. So like
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: the like the weather's not power to protect.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: It reminds me of like what is it like mean
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: girls where she can her boobs can predict the weather. Yes.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: She's like, is that what it is?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Yes. Honestly, I can't remember the exact quote.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: For it, but, you know, I don't either.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I feel like you have to look it up.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: OK, let me see. OK, so the character is Karen
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Smith of none other than the Plastics. And she's like
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: the dumb one of the group. So she says she
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: confuses ESP, extrasensory perception, with the sports network ESPN. And OK,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: here's the actual quote. I will. OK, here I'll read
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: this because it makes the rest of the analysis actually funny.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I'm kind of psychic. I have a fifth sense. It's
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: like I have ESPN or something. My breasts can always
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: tell when it's going to rain. Well, they can tell
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: when it's raining. Like, yeah, no shit, Sherlock. At that point,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: everybody can.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Classic.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Good stuff. Really good stuff there.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Speaking of kind of silly things you might do, um,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: You might catch your husband cheating with a Ouija board. What? Apparently,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: a woman was using a Ouija board and it was
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: giving her messages that her husband was cheating on her.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, he wasn't cheating with the Ouija board.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: OK.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I was like, maybe he was.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I was like, wow, we're starting to sound like one
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: of those Reddit podcasts where they make the title of
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: the story like something really salacious.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Man cheats with Ouija board. I'm like, maybe he was
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: like with a ghost at night. And that's how the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Ouija board knew. And it was telling her what was
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: going on.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: That could be. That could be.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Or if you're like me, you're thinking sort of more
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: of like in a literal like American pie type of way.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, like with the planchette hole. God. Yeah.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And at that point, like, what are you really missing
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: out on?
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: You know? I'm never looking at a planchette the same.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I'm literally looking at it right now. Oh, my God.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: There's got to be one of those, like, sex stories with, like,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: inanimate objects that come to life.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm making that a mission. We are going to
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: find something. There's got to be. There has to be.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: There has to be. I just read one that's called Halloween.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: And it was about pumpkin men. Oh. And a candy man. Oh, boy.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: It's pretty fun.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: That's interesting.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I know. It's a good Halloween read. Halloween. Halloween. Okay. Also,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: eight divorces were filed in Multnomah County due to Ouija
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: board messages.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Stop it.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was telling people to, like,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: leave their spouse or if it was, like, revealing lies
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: or we're cheating or something like that, but.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I have so many questions.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Me too. Many other locals were said to have gone
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: mad from using the Ouija board. A woman trying to
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: contact her missing son... Oh, God. Yeah. I know. I
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: know that was really sad. Yeah.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, that feels very real.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I would probably try that too, you know?
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: You're going to try everything. If you have a missing child,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: you're pretty much willing to give anything a shot.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: It's sad to say too, but I'm thinking like, and
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: they say go mad. This is like kind of old timey.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Was she just like really... Depressed. Just distraught and devastated
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: like over losing someone and like going through grief?
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: No, Cassie, she's hysterical.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: It's demons.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's so heartbreaking.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A man who used the board for business advice.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Don't tell me. Were his initials RR by any chance?
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know. No, I don't. It didn't say specifically
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: who it was, but he did end up kind of
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: going insane after trying to use the board for getting
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: some advice.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Well, that makes sense.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: And even retired boxer Sharky Martin, who had been using
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: a DIY Ouija board and developed an obsession, an unhealthy
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: obsession with it.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Well, and listen, I don't think that the corporations that
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: currently produce the boards are doing anything special to like
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: protect us. But DIY with something like this makes me
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: a little nervous.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know why. You could just make your own
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Ouija board, like talking board. It doesn't have to be bought.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: I don't really trust that. I'm not going to lie.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Well, it kind of gets worse. So he was arrested
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: in North Bend, Oregon. on insanity charges, which I didn't
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: really know was like a thing. But maybe back in
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the day. I don't know. Maybe back in the day.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: When was that? I don't remember a specific date on these,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: but I think these were all before the 70s.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, then. Yeah. I mean, they could just arrest you
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: for a lot of things that like probably wouldn't fly today.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I think he was just kind of like
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: acting out and acting maybe in a way that would
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: make them think he could like harm people or himself.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why they just have, I think, probably like
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: slightly more PC ways of saying kind of the same
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: thing now, like, you know, disturbing the peace inside. Yeah, like,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: you know, they're not just going to be like, The
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: guy went insane, so we charged him with insanity.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: He's crazy.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: First of all, the last person on Earth that should
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: be necessarily, like, making that sort of a distinction or
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: diagnosis is your average patrol cop. Like, I'm sorry, sir.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: You might be qualified at the shooting range, but you
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: are not qualified for this.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A psychiatrist declared the Ouija board, quote, nothing more
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: than a mental murder, which is like fucking intense, dude.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: That's that feels like a lot.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: But I guess if you're looking at these cases of
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: people apparently like going crazy from using it, maybe maybe
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: you would say that.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does start to feel like, OK, this is
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: kind of a dangerous contraption, but like.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Is it the board or is it the people, you know? Right.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Yes. I do think that's an important distinction. And then also, like,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: maybe we don't call it like maybe maybe not murder.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: Like maybe we don't murder. Like, it feels like we
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: kind of went zero to 60. And it just feels
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: like that's a little bit of a lot. Yeah, that
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: makes sense.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: It's so dramatic.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit, a little bit.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Dr. J. Allen Gilbert of the University of Oregon Metal School.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Metal School.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: Rock on, man. Oh, my God.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: That's incredible.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Of the University of Oregon Medical School, now OHSU, said
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: after his research, quote, the answers you get from a
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Ouija are but the embodiment of subconscious state. The Ouija
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: furnishes the valuable method of tapping the subconscious. Oh. I'm like, man,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: these people got some fluffy language.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels a little intense.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: It furnishes the valuable method of tapping the subconscious.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Okay. Again, sir, I hate to sound like a broken record,
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: but maybe we just take it down a notch.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: They gotta sound smart. They're doctors and shit. So he
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: basically thinks that people who can easily meditate or dissociate
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: can cause you to like subconsciously move the planchette to
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the answer that you're asking, basically. Not that you're really
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: doing it on purpose, but you're just so open. You're
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: in like a meditative state. But I'm like, so where
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: are the answers coming from, though? If you're like dissociated,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: you're in a meditative state. Are they actually coming from you?
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Or is something in your mind like telling you the
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: answer and then you're moving the planchette to get the answer? Hmm.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I think that's kind of how it works. I don't
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: think something's like actually moving, physically moving your fingers or
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: the little planchette. I think it's like something is coming
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: into your brain and telling you the answer, but you
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: just don't know.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how I think.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I could see that.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: OK, OK, I'm coming around. I think maybe maybe a little.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: It still doesn't mean it's like not something potentially evil
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: that could be giving you like these answers and stuff.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Right. And that's what concerns me. I feel.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is the big concern is that
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: like if you're opening up to the other side, there's
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: good and there's evil, just like there is. And on
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: this side.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Right. All over the place. It just be just people
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: be evil in, you know.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: They got to stop that.
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like if you could just.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Sounds like a lot of work.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. It just feels like a lot. And
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: we just kind of wish you wouldn't.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: You need to calm down. Being too loud.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: A little bit. I was like, I know exactly where
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: this is going. I'm like, I'm letting you run with that.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm done. I'm done. Okay, we're moving on
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: to El Cerrito, California. Okay. In 1920, a woman who
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: had lost her daughter in a hit and run had
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: six people with her using a Ouija board inside their
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: house trying to find out who had killed her daughter.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: They were pulling all-nighters for weeks attempting to make contact
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: with the other side. Oh, God. Until finally, they feared
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: they had let in evil spirits instead of helpful ones.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: And then they started acting really strange and conducting rituals
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: to try and get rid of the evil spirits. And
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: they believed they were affecting their other children as well.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, if nothing else, they're just seeing
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: how deeply entrenched that their family is becoming.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that would definitely affect you, for sure.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: Eventually, the police were called and they arrested the seven
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: seancers on charges of insanity, again. Cool. And being a
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: threat to themselves and others. I mean... And yeah, this
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: was the 20s, so... This caused the people in town
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to call for a ban on Ouija boards.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. What is this?
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Footloose? Yeah, exactly. I don't think it ever like really
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: went anywhere.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I think those type of things typically don't because it's
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: like you can only control what happens in private homes
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: so much. Right.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I mean. Right.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: So far.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, you could try to ban them in specific
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: places like.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Right. Right. No public gatherings.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Well, this is a public place, actually. So an unofficial
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: sign was posted on Fox 12's Facebook page stating that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Ouija boards are banned from Fern Hill Park. Oh, asking
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: what do you think the event was? So they took
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: a picture of this notice up at Fern Hill Park
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: that was saying that Ouija boards were banned. And so
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: they're asking people, like, why do you think this is?
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Because there is no other information. Yeah.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Like, I feel like we need a little bit of explanation.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Like, I feel like what? What happened?
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Like, shouldn't there be like some sort of a public forum? Like,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: people should be able to comment. And like, yeah, I
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: don't know. That just seems weird to just unilaterally decide, like.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Seems sus.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: And like, how are you going to enforce that, too?
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: I guess if you're if a park ranger or policeman
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: comes by, like, I don't know.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I guess anybody who's like becoming a nuisance.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Like a hall monitor. Right.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Nerds.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: One commenter posted that they had overheard kids going through
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: demonic possession at the park, so they weren't really surprised
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: by the new signage.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: OK, first of all, I need you to explain exactly
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: how it is that you know that that's what's happening.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Like what? What were you hearing? He said he
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: heard them all night long. Yeah.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: About that.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Were they partying? I think they were probably just partying,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: you know, going crazy, doing it in the woods.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: They're partying. Teenagers do. Yeah. Like it's 1999 or whatever.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So this was posted in 2024. And I was
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: like kind of wondering if the sign was still there. Like,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: are they still banned? Are they still having issues with
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: people using them in the park? I don't know.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so curious.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know where fernhill park is we should go
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: there and figure it out maybe i should look.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah i was gonna say where i don't know where
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: that is either but surely we could find out it's
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: in portland yeah that just seems like in the city
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: of portland you really think that you can implement that
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: good luck.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: It's not particularly like wooded either. So I'm interested where
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: they're doing like these Ouija board seances and what's going on.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: It's just got like a little playground and some nice
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: grassy field area.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Very interesting.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Makes me wonder if people like had candles or something
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: or if there was like some sort of fire hazard or.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure. Like something else that's like very obviously.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Dangerous, maybe. People getting rowdy.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I could see that.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I know they did ban Ouija boards at like the
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Lizzie Borden house. I'm pretty sure it was.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard of like people staying there and they
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: like had banned Ouija boards or something like that.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: People just can't handle it.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They just keep opening more demonic things in the
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: house and not closing it out. I guess. Maybe. All right. Well,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: do you want some more murder?
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: Murder.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: So this gets pretty intense. Okay. In 1933 in Arizona,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Maddie Turley, a 15-year-old girl, and her mother were allegedly
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: doing a seance with a Ouija board. And the board
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: spelled out that Maddie should kill her father, Ernest. Oh, shit.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: So that her mother could marry a handsome young cowboy.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I mean... Just leave him!
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Marry the cowboy! Just leave him!
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Maybe just go.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It was 1933. I understand it's hard
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: to leave people, especially then.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: But you don't need to go killing people about it.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: You may have kind of had to kill him to
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: get out. I hate to say that because I don't
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: want to seem like I'm like justifying it. But at
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: the same time, I mean, in 1933. Yeah. Yeah.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Just run away with the cowboy. I guess you probably
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: would want to have your daughter with you.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: There's a lot that goes into that. Who knows if
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: the cowboy can take care of you? He's young. Right.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: So Maddie claimed her mother encouraged her to do what
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: the board said. So she shot her father twice in
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: the back and he passed away about six weeks later
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: in the hospital. Maddie pled guilty to attempted murder and
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: And I was like, but wait, he died. So why
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: was it attempted murder? But maybe because she was pleading guilty? Yeah.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe she got her plea in at the right time
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: so that she would get a lesser charge. I don't know.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I was kind of confused about that part. I wanted
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: like an opinion on that because I had no idea.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Because he definitely died.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: It's possible that she negotiated for a deal so that, like,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: even if he did end up dying, that, like.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, maybe because it was in between the six weeks.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Like, maybe he was still alive. That's my thinking. I
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: don't know that that's the case, but.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah. But she was sentenced to the state school
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: for girls at Randolph. I assume that's like a girl's prison,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: like for younger girls. I don't think it's like an
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: asylum or something, you know?
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think it bodes well for her, I
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: will say. Right.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be a great experience.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: No.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Her mother, Dorothea, was charged with assault with the intent
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: to commit murder. But she insisted that she was innocent.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: And Maddie had shot Ernest because she didn't like how
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: strict he was.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, and maybe that's fair. I don't really know.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: We don't know their life, really. It's like she said
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: she said.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: He's kind of not here to defend himself.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: And I don't even know if like he was conscious
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: in the hospital to even like give any testimony or
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: like he he might not even know why. Like, you know,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: he was just shot. It's not necessarily like he would
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: know why his daughter did it. They already have who
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: did it.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Based mostly on Maddie's testimony, Dorothea was convicted and sentenced
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: to 10 to 25 years in prison. But three years later,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: the charges were dismissed. The Supreme Court of Arizona ruling
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: that the trial had been prejudicial when they refused to
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: admit evidence against Maddie's character. So basically, Maddie was the
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: only evidence against her mother, but they wouldn't allow evidence against, like,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: her character, what she was saying.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: That's something that comes up a lot in criminal cases
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: where they're like, this is the other potential suspect or perpetrator.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: But they're like, but we can't let you... I don't know,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: defame this individual in court proceedings.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: But they're like defaming you. And that's the only evidence.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Right. And you're like, can we hear evidence against like
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: the other guy or?
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it wasn't fair. I don't know what exactly
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: the evidence was, but I did find this and I
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: don't know if it was part of the trial or not.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: But Maddie did initially tell police that she had been
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: trying to shoot a skunk and tripped and accidentally shot
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: her father.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: OK, well, that that I don't I don't know how
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: much that helps either one of them, because. Like, first
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: of all, I just don't think anyone believes you about that.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: I just tripped over my gun and shot my dad
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: twice in the back.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to go with, I think, no.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Obviously, you could say she said this, like, alternate story.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Maybe she was trying to protect her mother at first
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: if her claims that Dorothea's involvement were true. Or you
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: could say she's just, like, a liar. Like, her story changed, so...
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It could go either way.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that seems fair. Like you could
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: spin that kind of two ways.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: But only one of them was ultimately found guilty for
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: the crimes. In July 2026 in Moses Lake, Washington. Shut up.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: That's where we got Charlotte.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, interesting. When did you get her? Like what month?
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I can't remember.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: We went and picked her up at the end of February.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, OK. So this is after that. So you're safe.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. OK. No, I'm just like, oh, I'm feeling very
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: personally connected.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: So the Moses Lake Police Department posted about a woman
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: being caught committing a crime in kind of a spooky way. What?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: So she had broken into a vehicle and stole the stereo,
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: some keys, some prescription medication. Oh, boy. Some other items,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: including a Ouija board.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: And coincidentally or not, an officer had just happened to
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: come across a woman who had a Ouija board in
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: one of her bags earlier that day. He didn't really
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: think anything of it other than it was kind of
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: weird that someone's like just carry around a Ouija board
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: in July.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: You just travel with it or.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: It's kind of weird, but whatever. Yeah. But after he
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: heard of the items that were stolen from the car
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: later that day, he was able to find her again.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: And after attempting to run away, she was arrested with
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: the Ouija board still in her possession and all the
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: other shit she stole. Of course. And it was returned
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: to its rightful owner.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Aww. Aww.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if the Ouija board like had
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: any part in that getting itself seen by a policeman
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: earlier that day. It's just kind of interesting.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Just saying. It doesn't seem like the type of thing
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: that you should steal.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah. Like that seems like bad luck coming your way.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Probably don't steal anything like car stereo. Super not cool.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Prescription medication.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Please don't.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Wildly not not cool.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: We need that at all.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: But we Ouija board.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Like nothing good could come out of that.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: I just feel as though you are painting a target
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: on your back for karma.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Especially if you're going to steal something that's like
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: kind of noticeable and then just carry it around with you.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Right. I don't think that it speaks to like a
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: high caliber of criminal. I hardly would say she's a professional. Yeah.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was her first time. I don't know.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: If you sell a Ouija board like full retail, like
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: they can't be worth more than like 30, 40 bucks,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: like brand new in the box. So what are you doing?
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: It was like a super unique, like vintage. I don't know.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: But don't do that because I feel like if maybe
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: if you would have kept it, she would have had
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: some demons coming after her or something. We don't know. Right.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: That's OK. So that's That's what I'm saying is like
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: if you're stealing a Ouija board, like you have no
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: idea what kind of energy is already like all up
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And is it going to be pissed that you
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: like took it from its owner?
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I have to imagine.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I think the Ouija board spirits got her caught. I
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: definitely think that's what happened. I'm going with that.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: It kind of feels like it, doesn't it?
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Yes. All right, I got one last kooky story for you. Okay.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: In Spokane, Washington in 1982, Judy Layden claimed to be
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: communicating with a spirit from the Sixth Realm. Named Af.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Just A-F.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Okay. And what is the sixth realm, pray tell?
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, okay.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we're on the same page there.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Different dimension. I don't know. I'm not
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: really sure, but he's from the sixth one, whichever there
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: was an evil realm.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: If we're equally confused, that's fine. Okay.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: They chatted on the Ouija board about anything from the
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: afterlife to the economy. Even about the fate of Hitler's
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: spirit in the movie E.T., which he did not give
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: great reviews to. Not Hitler, but Aff. Oh, OK.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, nobody really cares. Nobody cares.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares about Hitler or E.T.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: No, nobody cares what Hitler thinks of E.T.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right. Yeah. No, we don't need your movie reviews, Hitler.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: We just want to know if you're suffering in hell.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: That's all. Thank you. Yeah.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: And we're pretty sure you are. I feel as though
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: confirmed yes.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Well, Af knows.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, does he?
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I guess he told Judy. They talked about it. It
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: might be. I didn't read her books, but she does
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: have books. And I'll tell you about them at the
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: end real quick.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Okie dokie.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: Af also relayed to Judy that sex was very different
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: in the sixth realm.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Quote, much more fun than anything you know on Earth. Oh, OK.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, I really hope Judy was asking about
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: this and he's not just like.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Right. Volunteering.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: Sending unsolicited dick pics from the other side.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe buzz off.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Judy had her doubts that any of this was real.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: But apparently AF reassured her that she was, quote, truly
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: privileged to be the messenger of these glad tidings.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, OK.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Well, sure.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: So he's like, this is all real. And like, you
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: should just be appreciative that I'm sharing with you. Yeah,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: this is totes all real, Avi. Judy self-published three books
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: from AFS Communications called Beyond the Veil, A Further Step
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Beyond the Veil, and Another Look at Life Beyond. So
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: if you have questions about maybe their communications, what she asked,
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: what he answered, you might be able to find them
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: in those books.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: Interessante.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I thought the sex part was just so random and
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: like awkward.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just kind of feels like a lot, if
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I'm being honest.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Why are you telling me this? To, like, make me
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: jealous or to, like, try to get me to go
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: to the sixth realm? Are you enticing me? Right. What's
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: the goal here, Aph?
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: This feels like an attempted abduction. Eek!
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Well, that's all my fun Ouija board stories I have
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: for you. I like it. Should we do some Ouija
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: board instead of tarot?
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't have one, but if you have one
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: over there, you can go ahead.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: We're not together. It wouldn't work. Do you have my
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: cute ghost deck there?
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. Okay, so let me know if there's
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: like a spot in front of the keyboard that you
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: are feeling.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know why I was getting like Q.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Interesting. Okay. There is one that's kind of like poking
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: up in.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Like that spot.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: And it's weird.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Pick the polka.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: It's weird because I was thinking specifically of like a
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: letter that was close to that, but on the keyboard,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: they're not close.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: So that's interesting.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Okay. Oh, six of cups. It's got two cute coasties
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: on it with six cups. And a sunrise or sunset.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: I can't really tell.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Our keywords are nostalgia. emotional renewal, happiness, and harmony. This
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: joyful card sometimes shows two children in a garden. It
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: represents reflecting on a time of innocence, contentment, and beauty.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: When it shows up, it indicates you're revisiting pleasant memories
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: and good times. Knowing that you have been happy in
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: the past can enhance your ability to be happy in
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: the future and especially if you've undergone a painful experience recently.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: That is interesting because I was thinking of just Ouija
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: boards in general. Like they started out really fun with
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: like two people, you know, with the Ouija board on
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: their left. And we've got the two ghosts like having
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: a good time. And then like going through this painful
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: part of like people going mad, apparently going mad because
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: of the Ouija board and like the demonic connection and
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: the occult and all of that. like going through those
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: harder times. And then now we're like, I'm trying to
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: say like, it's not that bad. And we should maybe
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: get back to like the more innocent times of the
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Ouija board. Yeah.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Well, and to me, this makes me think of like,
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: obviously it's a sad, it's a painful time when you
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: lose someone.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: But then reflecting on what the traditional use of a
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: Ouija board is, reflecting on those, you know, past, Happy times.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: And you can possibly reconnect with someone you've lost through
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: the Ouija board. I'm not saying that you will for
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: sure or, you know. Yeah.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: You could. Yeah. We can claim no warranties.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Right. And people claim that they do. Like there's a
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: lot of really good and positive Ouija board experiences too.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. A card of emotional renewal, perhaps after
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: a time of unhappiness, The Six of Cups represents a
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: willingness to share joy with others. You eagerly give of
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: yourself and receive the good things life offers. Through your actions,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: you express love and caring to people you know and
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: to the things you value. In a reading about money,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: this card suggests an upswing in your finances, perhaps after
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: a loss or time of limitation. It can represent a
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: joint venture in which you share expenses and profits with others.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Sometimes it indicates a debt repaid.
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Interesting. I don't know. It just makes me think of
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: like things being stolen and then like given back.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, really. Okay. If the reading's about your job, the
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: sixth upright shows renewed enthusiasm for your work. Perhaps a
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: change offers you more creativity or an improved work environment.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Developing new skills can benefit you now.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Use the Ouija board for your business advice.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Just be careful. Communicating with the dead.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: Careful you don't go mad.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Always got to keep an eye on that. In a
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: reading about love, this card shows you're overcoming problems in
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: a relationship and renewing positive feelings for one another. Sometimes
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: the Six of Cups can mean reconnecting with a past lover.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, like maybe one who's literally past. The dearly departed. Yeah.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: There was one part in there about like sharing and
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: giving of yourself to others that kind of made me
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: think of Ath where he's like, you know, you should
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: be grateful. I'm like sharing these secrets from the other
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: side with you.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, actually?
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: That is funny. That is so funny.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Were there any extra zerps?
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how relevant we feel like
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: it is, but it says symbol of a kiss. The
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: six of cups in the Rider-Waite-Smith deck shows a large
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: cup resting on a pillar decorated with an X. X
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: is the Norse rune for love and a symbol we
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: use for a kiss.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Cute. I mean, it kind of like, you know, that
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: date night thing. Right. I was talking about lovers. Yeah.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Connecting over the Ouija board in the dark room. Maybe
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: sharing a kiss.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: Sharing a kiss. It's interesting, too, because in the reverse,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: it says, because the Six of Cups is such a
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: happy card, it signifies pleasant things even when it's reversed.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: That. I like when those cards it's like that one
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: in the sun card or like the two that are
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: they're really great.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: So positive that they're you can't reverse them.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: I am going to skip to the last sentence, though,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: because I do think this could have like a tie in.
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: And I think the the energy of this card being
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: that like the upright and the reverse are just like
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: it's kind of I don't know. Like you said, there's
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: almost no reverse. It says, however, it may mean you're
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: stuck reminiscing about the good old days and can't seem
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: to find happiness in the present. Oh. So I feel
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: like that goes back to some of these people that
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: are just trying to connect.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: And they just like get kind of stuck trying to
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: figure out like.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: The woman who was trying to figure out who killed
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: her daughter in the hit and run.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: That kind of, I feel like that's the tie-in with that.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: That's so sad. Well, yeah, end us on a sad note.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: note Caitlin I mean what was the other you said
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: there was like another letter that you were trying to
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: that you were drawn to what was oh.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: I was thinking like the letter oh.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: See I was too for some reason when I first
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: thought of it. I thought Q for some reason. Then
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, I should do O because Ouija.
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: But then I was like, no, for whatever reason, like
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Q was hitting me.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even think about it. I wasn't even
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: thinking O for Ouija. I just was feeling drawn to that.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: That's so weird.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: I was definitely going back and forth between the O
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: and the Q. That's so funny. Wait.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: No. What?
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: No. What? Oh, three of cups. We just got there.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: You guys just got that one.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: We just got this.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: That's so funny. I think it's trying to tell us something.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: I drew it in reverse, though. Oh, which is crazy. OK,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: so keywords are celebration, fulfillment, friendship, community, happiness and fun.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: And the reverse interpretation is when reversed, the three of
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: cups can indicate indulgence, In food or alcohol. Or Ouija boards.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: It doesn't say alcohol. It says in food or drink. Oh, well,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: we know what you mean. Too much partying.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, I filled in the blanks.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Too much plancheting. Right?
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Perhaps you feel weary from too much interaction with other
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: people and need some downtime. Or you've become disenchanted with
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: your friends. In some cases, it shows a longing for
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: friendship or sense of community.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: Aww.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Is it like the ghosts on the other side who
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: are just waiting for people to pick up a Ouija
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: board so they can talk to someone?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, I kind of think so. In a reading
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: about money, rewards from a group effort may be delayed
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: or not as great as you'd hoped. This card can
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: also warn of overextending yourself financially or counting your chickens
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: before they're hatched.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: If the reading is about your job, the reverse three
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: suggests your success comes in small ways rather than grand ones,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: or a victory may seem hollow. Perhaps you don't feel
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: as happy with your job or the results of a
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: project as you'd expect it to be. In a reading
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: about love, the three reverse shows you may feel left out, discouraged,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: or lonely. Perhaps you've grown and your lovers slash loved
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: ones haven't kept up. In some cases, this card can
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: mean a primary partnership takes up all your time and
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: you don't get to see friends as much as you'd like.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: Ooh, like if you get obsessed with talking to spirits
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: on your Ouija board.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: I could see that. I also was kind of interpreting
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: that as perhaps, okay, so perhaps you've grown and your
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: lover slash loved ones haven't kept up In some cases,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: it can mean, you know, the primary partnership takes up
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: all your time, blah, blah, blah. You can't see friends.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, well, I could kind of see that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: being a feeling like after you've like gone to the
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: other side.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But I don't know. That was still kind of
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: a sad note. I know.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: Well, hey, listen, leave it to me to make a
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: two card reading both with cups sound sad.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, wait. So we got the six of cups first.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: And then the three of cups.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: F was from the sixth realm. That's right. And then
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: we got a three, which is like another, you know.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: We literally just drew this card. So I drew it
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: in the opposite orientation. And that's just crazy to me.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: We got like a double number and a Jesus number. Interesting. Well,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I like that. I think those fit great.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: I think so, too.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: Have a creepy ass Halloween.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: We'll see you next Thursday.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: Unless you do a Ouija board and you summon the
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: devil and get sucked into the board and you're gone forever.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. I was literally going to say, and
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: you get sucked into the board.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Why is that like the visual? I don't know. No,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: but really, if you do a Ouija board, be safe.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: Look up the rules. Protect yourself.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Do all the things right. And good luck to you.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: And stay the hell away from my house. Boo. I know.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I can't afford for just letting random vibes
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: in here. You know what a sponge this place is
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: and what I am.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Vibe fortress.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: I can't risk it. Girl, I need a castle and
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: a moat.