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Extra Innings With The Hit List!! Jake and Matt From Providence · Sports Card Clubhouse

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  Welcome to Extra Innings on the sports Card clubhouse with the
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  hit list. I'm Jake T O'Donnell.
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  That's Matthew. Usually Matt from Providence.
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  What's up with Matthew? Well, you know, this is more of
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  a family friendly environment here at the sports card
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  clubhouse. So I just, you know, usually
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  when I'm in trouble with, you know, a relative or, you know,
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  an older person, it's Matthew. Matthew.
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  So this is me on my best behavior today because I want,
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  you know, I want family friendly, family friendly
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  programming too. I just not so good at.
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  We are we are honored to be, I believe, the first duo to be
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  part of this extra innings program with our clubhouse.
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  I believe so thank you to Mike Mike junk wax hero, Greg midlife
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  cards, Adam Splendid sports for for having us.
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  We so if for folks that don't know, my name is Jake.
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  My wife Abby and I started a YouTube channel a couple years
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  ago called Wax Pack Wisdom and I, you know, became got more and
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  more into collecting vintage cards and and pre war cards in
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  particular. And Matt who is moniker at card
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  shows as Matt from Providence is a he the he has been dubbed by
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  Theo Clemente collector. I'll give him credit for it.
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  The people's dealer. He is both a dealer and a
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  collector and we hit it off at card shows that we've done a
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  bazillion deals. And back in June, I think it was
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  June 2025, we started the hit list on Wax Back Wisdom where we
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  just talked about anything and everything related to the hobby
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  and we appreciate everybody's support.
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  We, we do those every other week on the Wax Back Wisdom feed and
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  we are thrilled, like I said, to be part of the sports card
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  clubhouse for this extra innings.
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  And what that's going to be is just we've recorded our, our
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  regular episode for the week that is up on the wax pack
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  Wisdom YouTube channel right now.
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  You can check it out, like comment and subscribe.
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  And and we have a little bit of an extra segment here touching
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  on a topic that we didn't, didn't discuss.
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  We saved it just for the sports card clubhouse audience.
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  So that's right. So what we're going to start
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  talking about is about selling when, when a fake card is sold
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  or when when a dealer buys a card that is fake or that is
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  fraudulent and kind of like who bears responsibility?
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  So I have an Instagram reel here that I hope is going to play and
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  hope you're going to hear it. It's from Coach Co collectibles
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  and it's a story originating from a a dealer called Kansas
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  City Collectibles. So I'm going to attempt to share
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  my screen here and hopefully this will this will play.
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  So let's let's do this. Can you see that?
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  Oh. Yeah.
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  OK, here we go. Let me get.
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  The of some high value items. This post comes from Kansas City
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  Collectibles. Individual here in the video, we
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  have reason to believe he traded us a fake 1984 Michael Jordan
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  card approximately 2 weeks ago at the John Knox Show in Kansas
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  City. So the second video here is from
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  a show just this last week in Kansas City.
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  We tried to approach the guy, to which he very quickly bolted and
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  left, which again kind of leads us to believe he knows what may
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  or may not be up with this card. Since that video has been
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  posted, apparently six people have been got by that same
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  individual. Very careful when buying this
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  card raw right now. Deal is too good to be true.
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  It usually is how you feel in the comment section.
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  All right, so you had sent me that and I, you know, it's, it's
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  an interesting discussion because who is I am the type of
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  person that I, you know, if somebody is a criminal and
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  they're committing a crime, they deserve the blame.
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  Like that kind of we, we agree with that.
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  But but there's a thing in collecting, there's a thing in
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  the business. There's a, there's a Latin
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  phrase it's called caveat emptor, which means beware
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  buyer, buyer beware. So what's your, so what's your
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  thought in terms of that, especially that dealer?
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  And again, we're. Not we're not settling out.
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  I'm not talking about the average Joe off the street
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  getting a raw deal, getting traded or sold to a fake card.
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  OK, this is this guy's a dealer at a major card show and this is
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  a 5 figure deal minimum. It's got to be OK.
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  I looked up prices before we did this PSA 5 for that card,
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  $35,000. I can't couldn't find raw sales.
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  I couldn't find anything more. So the car does 35 GS.
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  So if it's too good to be true minimum, he had to be asked.
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  It was 10 GS. I would assume closer to 20, but
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  let's say 10 GS. If you're making a 5 figure
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  purchase and you're a dealer, you're a professional, you got
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  to know what you're doing there. You got to know this card is
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  faked a lot. I've only been dealing for a few
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  years and I know that card is faked a lot, you know?
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  But you basically have to give me that card for me to take that
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  card on ungraded, OK, even graded.
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  I only want it to pee in a new PSA slab because they say
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  there's fakes in the Beckett's Labs.
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  So I'm not messing around with that card and I know it as a
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  professional dealer. I guess this guy also
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  professional deal. He should know you got to do
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  your homework. Like there's an I'm not buying
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  an 86 flea raw. I'm not good enough.
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  I know I'm not good enough to tell them between a a real and a
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  fake. So I'm not going to, I'm not
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  going to risk that. There's no need.
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  There's just no need. So yeah, that's I'm a dealer.
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  Yeah. No, no, you shouldn't
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  intentionally sell fake cards, but you shouldn't have gotten
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  got either, buddy. And to put this out like it's
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  embarrassing, like you got gotten like oof, like you're
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  supposed to know better, like a you're supposed to know better
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  100%. I just to me, that's a that is a
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  card that you that you said this it's faked a lot.
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  That's a card that SGCI believe SGC will not grade those cards
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  like they don't they they. I'd love to know more.
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  Yeah, I'd love to know more about exactly how that
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  conversation went, because that conversation could happen a lot
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  of ways. That guy could have walked over
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  and said give me 10 GS and they could have said all right, Or
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  did they make the, did they low ball him at 10 GS and he just
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  accepted knowing it was fake? Like I'd love to know how that
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  went. I'm always critical of dealers.
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  So I'm just yeah, I bet you it was.
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  Yeah, I'm smoking this guy on this deal.
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  And then you just found out you got smoked, buddy.
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  That's probably my best guess because if you're buying that
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  car raw like you're gambling buddy, unless like you're so
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  confident in your abilities, which I'm just not so.
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  The grading companies aren't confident in their abilities on
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  that. Particular card, so not a card
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  on buying like, clearly not a card on buying raw.
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  And I bet that guy knew that too.
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  Like knew you got to be careful with this card, but he was
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  probably confident in his ability to tell.
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  Yeah, I think that I, I think that there are, yeah.
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  There's just certain cards like no deal, No deal is certainly of
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  that size is, is like worth. You're like staking your
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  reputation on it, right? Like, cause 'cause like, so
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  there's an example of this that like I remember I was, so
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  there's a card show that you set up at regularly that I can, you
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  know, I, I, I, I, when I go to the show, I hang out behind the
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  table with you. And I remember I was at the show
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  once and a guy came up who I maybe he was a, a regular
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  customer. I can't remember exactly, but he
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  had a he had a raw 86 Fleer Jordan and it was in like a one
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  touch or something and you just looked at it and you were just
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  like, I'm sorry, I can't I can't do this like I.
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  Just, and he's like, you don't want to make an offer.
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  I'm like, nothing makes sense that I'm going to risk the
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  money, that I'm pretty sure it's fake just because I'm not
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  confident like so I don't want to insult you either, but like,
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  go talk to somebody else. That's fine.
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  I'm just not a buyer. Now I don't want to.
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  Again, I don't. Know.
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  If that was pretty sure another dealer bought that card and it
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  got sent out and it came back trimmed or fake.
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  That card came back no good. So like.
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  What? I was going to ask you is don't
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  play that game. Do you think that's now, I don't
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  know if you want to talk about like that specific situation,
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  but do you think you've had both where like you've had somebody
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  that's come up that you think is trying to trying to scam you or
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  do you or do you think it's like somebody or do you think that
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  maybe sometimes it's somebody that they they might
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  legitimately think? Oh yeah, this is.
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  This is real. I've had people for sure, I've
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  read into them like, yeah, they're clearly trying to scam
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  me. They're uncomfortable.
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  Like as soon as they approach, they're uncomfortable.
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  And I could read it. And then people are just, yeah,
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  you can read it sometimes if you're looking for it.
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  And then I've had, I've had people sell me cards that they
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  didn't, you know, they clearly didn't know.
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  And I I would, I would find it like, yeah, they see this and
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  you know, no big deal. It happens.
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  Yeah, so it happens. But what's happening?
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  Either direction, yeah. Oh, hi, You're talking no.
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  Oh, Jackson, your son. He's Jackson's making.
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  His that's so. Great.
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  Hey, buddy, how's it going? He can't.
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  Hear you 'cause I got the Airpods in, but yeah.
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  Can you go upstairs and see Grandpa?
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  Joe, can you go see Grandpa, please?
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  I can't. You can't.
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  This is awesome. All right.
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  So, well, it's probably got a shorter segment that we thought
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  it was going to be. Well, let's talk, let's talk for
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  a little bit if you have a second.
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  So I do the the there was a somewhat of a similar situation
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  that you told me about recently. I wouldn't say it was, it wasn't
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  necessarily like a, it wasn't a scam kind of thing.
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  But basically you had a situation that came up at a
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  recent show that you were telling me about with a card and
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  you tried to make the situation right.
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  So we I don't know what you're sort of comfortable talking
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  about with that. Yeah, so I had a good customer
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  of mine come up and buy a nice card, a raw card.
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  He said he went home and measured it and it came up
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  short. And he said, you know, what do
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  you want to do? And I was like, look, just I'll
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  give you a full refund. What do you think?
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  OK, buddy, hold on one second. Yeah, I just, you know, it, Matt
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  and I, Matt was telling me about the situation and I think it
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  was, it was not necessarily, you know, it wasn't.
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  I assume that because the customer was somebody that I
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  knew too. And it wasn't necessarily like
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  I'm sure that they just wanted to try to, they wanted to try to
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  figure out how you how it could be the situation could be
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  resolved and made right. In any way they want, I don't
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  think. No deal to me whatsoever.
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  I don't want anybody to be unhappy with a card.
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  I'm big on buy everywhere, but if you're unhappy, I'm unhappy
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  as a as a seller because I want you to be happy.
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  So yeah, just bring the car back.
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  We'll swap it out, give you the cash back, give you the cards
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  back, whatever it might be. If it's trade and I move another
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  card in between I'm sorry I'll make you whole money wise but
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  like that I can't fix unfortunately.
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  Yeah. So my thought and you know, just
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  just playing devil's advocate a little bit, it gets back to that
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  sort of buyer beware situation, which is just like, you know,
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  does a like if you buy a rock hard, a raw vintage card at a
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  show before you buy it, like, you know, are you obligated to
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  try and like measure it there while just in case you think
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  it's trimmed? Or do you think that like, is it
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  cause 'cause to me that's, that is at least like a worthy
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  question Because I've definitely, I've bought stuff at
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  like, I'll give you an example of something that happened that
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  I didn't, I didn't pursue it. I bought a card at a show last
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  year that I thought was one thing and it was, it was labeled
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  as one thing and it was sold at a price as one thing.
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  But it was the card was mislabeled by PSA.
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  It was the wrong brand of the, it was the wrong brand of the
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  card. And it was one that I think
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  could be easy to overlook. And the dealer was not somebody
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  it was at, it was at the Shriners last year and it was
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  not a it was somebody that was not like a regular dealer.
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  It's just one of those guys that sets up like once a year
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  probably at Shriners. And I had to, I had to decide
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  I'm like, do I want to go after, do I want to pursue this 'cause
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  I just, and I just decided not to.
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  I, it wasn't like a huge difference in money.
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  I was disappointed that that happened.
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  But I don't know that I necessarily expect the dealer is
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  going to be an expert in everything that they're that
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  they're selling or, or I don't expect them to assume that PSA
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  is going to mislabel a card that looks exactly like another card.
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  So, so to me, that was, that was my mistake and I kind of just
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  lived with it. But you know, if you, but like,
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  if you're a, you have a, if you have, you build a brand like you
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  have you build like trust with a customer base.
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  If a customer comes to you and they say this, I think that as a
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  dealer's, you know, you're completely right to try to make
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  it whole, I guess like it's, you know, and, and that, and that's
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  a situation where, yeah, if the, it's ultimately it is, it is if
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  you buy the card, ultimately you are responsible for what is
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  going to happen next. So and and yeah, so I, I, I
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  think I'm not saying you did the wrong thing, but I, I or in any
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  way, but my, my flip side of it is just like there is buyer
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  beware no matter what, like. This is what I figure, right?
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  Like, sure, but just from my point of view, like if I tell
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  that guy too bad, he's never going to buy it from me again,
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  what good is that? That's no good, and that's not
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  the right thing to do. Exactly.
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  Not interested Not. Interested.
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  All right there. I know you, you're you got to go
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  on dad duty. But there was one other.
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  Thing on the one. I can't believe this happened to
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  me. Usually.
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  Usually my father has has control of the situation.
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  He's clearly lost control situation.
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  Just so you know, about a minute ago my little dog just peed on
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  the floor behind the camera. So like all heck is breaking.
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  Loose sports. Headquarters here.
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  It's wild. I can't believe the timing of
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  all this. I don't.
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  I can't wait to see what's going on up there when I get up there.
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  Like, it just, there's must be some craziness happening up
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  there because there's multiple adults and the the little fella
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  is running wild. Both little fellas are running
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  wild. So yeah, we'll see.
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  I don't know what's going on up there, but yeah, I don't know.
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  But you had you had something for me, something else.
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  Oh. A gift yes so a friend of the a
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  friend of our channel, a friend of our program and a customer
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  mind of the show is I believe his Instagram.
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  It is vintage and Ola rude. He wanted to send me send this
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  gift over to you. He had just missed you at
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  Saturday's show. Venezuela, Tony C.
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  What so yeah, if you're if you're listening to this on
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  podcast, Matt is holding up a gift for me from his name is
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  Mike Vintage and Ola Rude of a 67 tops Venezuelan Tony
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  Kanekliro in a in an STC one. I am and.
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  So he said to me, do you think he'll like it?
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  And I said, he's the only guy that would like it.
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  That's not true. But I just knew, Oh my gosh, you
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  were going to love this thing? Yeah, I I don't know if it's
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  worth anything, but I knew you'd love it.
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  I thought it was cool. Well, I look forward to to grab
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  on that next time I see you. And thank you to Mike Vintage
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  Annola Rude. You're the man.
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  That is super nice so so that's it we.
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  You want a family friendly podcasting today?
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  You got it. You got it.
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  I got a little fellow running into my arms.
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  I got a little dog peeing on the floor.
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  This is family friendly right here with Mac Providence in the
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  hit list. All right, well, you, you deal
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  with that. We're going to wrap things up
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  here. Thanks everybody for watching,
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  for checking us out. Thanks for checking us out on
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  the sports card clubhouse feed. Make sure you check out Wax Back
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  Wisdom. Check out our full episode,
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  which we posted earlier this week.
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  I'm not sure how often we're going to do this on Sports Card
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  Clubhouse, but thank you again to Mike, Greg and and Adam for
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  having us. And I'm hope, I hope that we
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  passed the audition and I hope that we'll see you another time
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  scare on the Sports Card Clubhouse.
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  And because this is the hit list, what do we say, Matt?
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  Like, comment, subscribe and. Collect, collect.
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  All right. Thanks everybody.