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NFL Week 11 Recap · Banter with the Boys

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  How you doing?
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  How you feeling?
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  Feeling pretty nice.
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  Just another Tuesday of a generic week for me.
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  But yeah, just ready to talk some more NFL like always.
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  We always do appreciate you brother.
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  And before we get into the meat and potatoes here, as always people, like, comment, subscribe.
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  We want all the followers, all the listens we can get.
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  But we did have week 11 come and go Mr. Smelty.
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  Pretty good week of football.
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  Not a lot of huge surprises.
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  Not a, well a couple of big disappointments in terms of some injuries that we will touch
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  on.
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  But let's get it started.
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  We're going to start the slate here with my Packers hosting the Los Angeles Chargers.
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  The Packers were actually a three point underdog in this game.
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  And my Packers came out and won.
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  23-20.
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  It was a pretty good game throughout.
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  You know, not too terribly overly exciting.
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  There wasn't a lot of big wow plays.
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  Nothing of that sort.
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  You know, the Packers offense did seem to come alive a little bit.
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  But the Chargers I would say more lost this game than the Packers necessarily won it.
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  You know, they should have had a touchdown on the final drive.
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  The final essentially, you know, what ended up being one of the final plays for the Chargers
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  on offense with Quinton Johnson dropping that pass that, you know, might not necessarily
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  been a touchdown, but would have been, you know, getting them down the field and gave
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  them a better shot than they did end up having.
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  Were you able to catch this game at all?
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  I saw a little bit of it of course since it is the Packers for whatever reason.
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  As much as I do absolutely hate the green and gold, I do follow them weirdly enough
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  and keep up on them.
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  I appreciate their history.
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  So yeah, I did watch a little bit of this game.
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  Like, yeah, kind of like you said, nothing really jumped out or was glaring for me personally.
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  One thing that was a little concerning and we'll touch on it later, though, Aaron Jones
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  leaving the game.
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  When did he leave the game?
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  Do you remember what like what quarter that was?
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  I can't remember exactly, but I want to say it was the third.
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  Because OK, if it was the third, let's say it was.
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  I don't know.
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  But four carries for Aaron Jones again, that seems kind of low.
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  I mean, he had left a little bit earlier or maybe he was feeling it a little earlier.
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  So they shut him down a little earlier before he was officially like out.
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  But I mean, I feel like.
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  I mean, as a team, Green Bay still ran for one hundred and two yards.
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  But I feel like that Russian game is still not there yet.
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  And I think that's only going to help their offense.
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  Yeah.
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  So it was actually the second quarter, the second quarter.
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  I just looked it up as we went out.
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  Yeah.
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  And you know, you're right.
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  We had 28 carries.
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  That's nice to see.
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  Love still threw the ball 40 times, which is a little bit more than I would like.
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  However, he did complete 27 of them, you know, not a terrible completion percentage, especially
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  with his recent trends.
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  Right.
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  And what I what I saw from love that game is again, the ability to be able to get outside
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  the pocket and still create plays.
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  You're still seeing flashes of that.
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  I mean, I think we still obviously need to see more.
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  He did enough to win this game.
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  But kind of like you said, I think it was more or less the Chargers lost this game.
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  Forty attempts for love.
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  I mean, that's a lot.
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  But I don't know.
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  I think they just really got to somehow get that Russian game going a little more.
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  Yeah.
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  I mean, it also didn't help that not only did we lose Aaron Jones, we lost A.J.
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  Dillon and we did also lose the third string, Emmanuel Wilson for a little bit there.
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  So actually, I'm sorry, A.J.
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  Dillon did not go down, but we lost Emmanuel Wilson, who is similar to that Aaron Jones
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  type back that gives him a little bit of that scat back ability where A.J.
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  Dillon is obviously a downhill runner.
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  So I mean, but you look at Dillon, 14 carries for 29 yards.
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  That's been pretty on par with how the season has gone.
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  And you know, love through for three hundred and twenty two yards.
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  So he had a good game, you know, 108.5 quarterback rating.
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  Didn't make any mistakes.
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  He did have two fumbles, but it wasn't, you know, he was he was under pressure quite a
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  bit in the game and only getting sacked three times.
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  That kind of surprises me a little bit with how ferocious that D line is for the Chargers.
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  However, they did lose Joey Bosa, which we'll touch on later.
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  Yeah.
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  But to me, I mean, like I said, I mean, Herbert didn't have a game that would necessarily
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  wow you to tuds and 260.
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  But the Packers cannot stop the run.
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  You look at even Justin Herbert, that he was just getting outside of the pocket and, you
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  know, he had 73 rushes on 88 on eight carries.
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  Yeah.
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  He had three yards on eight carries.
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  They were not ready for Herbie to to run the rocket at all.
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  I mean, every time he escaped the pocket, they did not collapse down on him at all.
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  I mean, they just let him.
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  I wonder what his average was because he nine point one yards per carry.
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  Was it OK?
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  Because it seemed like he always had green in front of him.
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  Every time he was looking to run, he had the green in front of them.
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  They just didn't close down on him fast enough.
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  But I actually I actually have a packer question for you.
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  I'm going to butcher his name, guaranteed, but who is this?
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  Don Tavian Wicks.
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  Is that how I say his name?
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  Don Tavian.
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  Good job is Don Tavian Wicks.
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  He was that cat, dude.
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  I haven't heard of him before.
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  I don't know.
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  Who is that?
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  What do we expect from him?
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  I've been pretty impressed with him.
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  So I actually saw a report.
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  It was I believe last week going into last week that he was the actual according to pro
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  football focus with whatever minimum steps that he was actually it was creating the most
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  separation out of any receiver in the NFL.
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  He's a fifth round pick.
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  He's a rookie this year.
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  So he's a rookie this year.
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  Where?
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  You know, college, Virginia.
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  Did you say college?
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  College.
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  We went to Virginia.
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  Oh, I thought you said like, where is he from?
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  And I thought your answer is just college.
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  I mean, that's fair.
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  No, but but to be honest with you, I mean, I was going to touch on that as well.
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  It's I've been really impressed with him, to be honest with you.
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  You know, it's as a rookie, you're not going to come in and know the offense right away
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  to get those early season targets and looks.
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  But he's kind of come on the last couple of games and had some big plays, you know, and
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  it's he's impressed.
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  He's creating the separation that Christian Watson is not.
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  And I just I think we need to get him more involved.
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  You look at our two rookie receivers this year, Dantavion Wicks and then Jaden Reed.
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  Oh, you know, they've been they've been pretty damn good for rookie receivers for the Packers.
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  And I think Wicks needs more opportunity.
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  I think he kind of proved that in this game a little bit more.
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  And I mean, at the end of the day, PFF has a stat for everything, but you can't argue
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  creating separation.
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  Well, no doubt.
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  And then when you have three receptions for 91 yards, you're creating separation, obviously,
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  in order to create some more of that yak, if you will, the yards after catch.
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  But who is the who is that Tucker Kraft?
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  Is that another tight end for you guys?
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  Yeah, OK, that was one of the two rookies we drafted this year.
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  OK, yeah.
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  Well, I mean, what I like seeing is, you know, I see here Tucker Kraft with two targets.
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  I mean, he caught both those balls Musgrave with another six targets.
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  I mean, I like that we're starting to see Jordan Love start to find his tight ends a
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  little more.
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  And like I said, I could I could be wrong.
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  You know, maybe that's not the case as the season's gone on.
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  But this game, it really felt like he's really starting to find those tight ends.
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  And I mean, I think that's a great thing.
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  I mean, they're your third down first, you know, chain mover guys.
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  You know what I mean?
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  Them and like slot guys.
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  But your tight ends, you got you got to be able to get that relationship with them.
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  Yeah, most certainly.
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  You know, and they weren't involved in the early portion of the year.
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  It's our two best tight ends coming into the year.
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  Two rookies that we drafted in, and I believe is the second round from Musgrave in the fifth
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  round for Kraft.
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  And fun fact about Taylor Kraft.
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  Sorry, Tucker Kraft.
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  She was actually David Bakhtiari's partner in the Busting with the Boys Beer Olympics
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  this year.
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  So that's where I kind of learned about him.
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  Yeah.
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  But I mean, not only that, it's Jordan Love seems like he's seen the field more.
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  You look at the he completed a ball to 10 different receivers this game, which is quite
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  impressive with somebody that, you know, hasn't really been that productive going through
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  and looking at his reads.
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  He seemed he is like looking for that tight end, looking for that dump down where he's
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  not just forcing the ball in the spots he shouldn't be forcing to the ball.
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  And I think that's the biggest improvement I've seen in his game the last two weeks.
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  And he's looked pretty damn good the last two.
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  Yeah, no doubt.
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  And I mean, this game, he kind of looked like the guy on the other side of the ball, Justin
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  Herbert.
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  I mean, Herbert's been kind of, you know, figuring it out as the years gone as the as
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  she's a wheeze as the season has gone on.
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  Herbert has been kind of figuring it out, getting more on a roll.
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  But this game from Herbert and I mean, the Chargers as a whole, the word mediocre comes
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  to mind.
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  And we'll talk about that word a little bit later.
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  But I mean, the Chargers got to be the most mediocre team in the league.
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  I mean, they're they're so they're almost they're so comfortable being in every single
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  game, but it's literally a coin flip if they're going to pull it off or not.
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  Yeah, to me, the biggest word that comes to mind is disappointment.
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  You look at the expectations they had come into this year.
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  It's not a personnel lack of at this point.
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  They have foundational pieces at every single step of both the defense and the offense.
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  I just don't think Brandon Staley is a head coach in the NFL.
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  But that part, 100 percent, because my expectation of the Chargers is to challenge Casey.
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  I don't think you're going to beat out Casey for the division, but you should be challenging
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  them 100 percent.
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  I yeah, I agree with you.
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  Some of the almost not to use my own word, but some of the bonehead moves by by their
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  coach this season has just been unacceptable.
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  Yeah, most certainly, most certainly.
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  And it's just I think this is Staley's last go at it just because I mean, like I said,
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  they have foundational pieces across the board.
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  We're ashamed.
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  We're Sean Slater on the offensive line.
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  You got a foundational talent or foundational like a general almost.
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  I would.
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  It's on the verge of arguing generational talent that behind center.
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  You have Keenan Allen on the outside on defense.
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  You got Mac and Bosa and then you got Derwin James in the secondary.
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  Like what what more like foundation do you need than that?
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  And they just can't seem to put it together.
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  Yeah, they definitely have the right guys in the right places.
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  I think it's got to be a coaching thing at this point with the Chargers.
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  And it just they seem like they're out coached in every single game.
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  It's not just one here or there.
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  It's they're out coached in every single game.
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  And when they do pull off a victory, that's the players given a shit.
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  Like we're not losing another game this week or what have you.
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  So I don't know.
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  That's all I really have to say about the Chargers at this point.
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  They just they got to get their shit together.
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  Yeah.
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  The last thing I just want to touch on in this game is how impressed I am with Carrington
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  Valentine is a cornerback for the Packers drafted in the seventh round this year out
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  of Kentucky.
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  He's kind of he's taken that role of Rasul Douglas's spot now that he's in Buffalo.
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  And then Nixon's been our slot corner.
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  He's been very, very impressive to me.
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  He's not going to jump off the stat sheet, but he had three past deflections this game.
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  And if you look.
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  So so he started this week, then he's been he started the last couple of weeks and he
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  was starting when Jair was hurt.
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  Oh, he was coming in.
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  But I've been pretty impressed with this cat.
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  OK.
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  Yeah.
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  Especially when you have Jair on the other side.
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  So they're not going to target Jair that much.
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  So he's getting, you know, sure, sure.
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  He's getting the ball thrown at him.
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  They're going to test them.
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  Right.
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  They know.
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  So yeah, I was I was I've been pretty impressed with what I've seen on tape for on the field
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  from him.
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  But enough about the Packers Chargers.
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  Packers got the dub for those keeping track at home.
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  Both Smelty and I picked the Chargers to not only win that game last week, but to cover
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  that three point spread.
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  And obviously that did not happen.
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  So that's what I get for rooting against my Packers.
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  Let's jump on to the next game.
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  Your Vikings had a thriller on Sunday night with the resurgent Denver Broncos.
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  You almost had a smell.
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  See, you almost had it.
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  It shouldn't have been a thriller, though.
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  That's the problem.
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  That's the problem I have with it.
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  The Broncos did not play well enough to win that game.
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  It just fell into their pocket, in my opinion.
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  Now, Dobbs looked a little more pedestrian than the past or not this week, which I kind
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  of expected.
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  Right.
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  Again, that first game outdoors with the new team still learning the plays guaranteed.
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  Guys have all summer to learn the plays.
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  My boys had days, now weeks, but he's getting there.
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  It's a process.
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  Right.
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  But to say I'm not disappointed would be a lie.
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  I mean, they the Vikes really needed to pull this game off, especially with Detroit beating
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  the Bears to say in that division race, if you dare call it, I guess I wouldn't really
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  call it that right now.
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  The Vikes are more eyeing up a wild card, I would say at this point as Detroit's running
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  away with it.
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  However, they do got to play Detroit twice.
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  I think those games are going to be hella fun.
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  But looking at this game again, you see the difference that Dobbs can make with his legs.
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  You see it's only eight carries and 21 yards, but those 21 yards were very needed at crucial
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  times.
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  And that's again, something that Kirk Cousins will not give the Vikings.
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  So again, it's just interesting to see that actually in the lineup for the first time
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  since I guess Tavares Jackson.
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  But even looking before that, like Dante Culpepper, you know, a true quarterback that can actually
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  make plays with his legs.
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  So but now let me talk to you about the guys that are actually supposed to and expected
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  to make plays with their legs.
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  Minnesota's running backs.
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  There's still a weird situation here.
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  OK.
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  Alexander Madison has proved to us time and time again this season.
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  He's not the guy.
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  Yes, he had 18 carries, 81 yards, led the team in rushing.
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  Sweet.
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  But you have Ty Chandler sitting at 10 carries for 73 yards.
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  That average is much different.
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  Now the one thing on that is Chandler did have that one long of 31.
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  But in that same sentence, he offers that big playability where Madison does not or
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  has proven or shown this year that he does not.
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  So and again, I'm kind of ready where I was with Akers and obviously we know Akers is
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  done for the season.
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  But kind of let Chandler be that more speed back, that lightning back that you like to
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  call and let Madison be that thunder.
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  You know what I mean?
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  They keep trying to use Madison as that number one every down back right now.
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  And Chandler just seems to come in when Madison needs to be spilled.
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  And I just I think it's I'm ready to see somebody else back there to start the game.
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  I love Madison.
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  I think he's a good human being.
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  I think he can still be something in this league.
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  But I think he needs to get back to that one to a little more consistently first one to
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  speaking like, you know, using two running backs more consistently like when Dalvin was
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  here.
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  But you know, as far as receiving goes, you saw Hawkinson again getting involved in the
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  offense like we expected.
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  Josh Oliver, tight end number two, also with four receptions that game coming up with actually
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  a couple big plays.
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  And then Addison, of course, another thing to see from Dobbs, similar to love, you know,
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  able to find those tight ends.
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  But obviously, he's got to just find whoever the hell is open right now with no JJ.
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  Yeah, for sure.
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  I mean, the story of the game in the in my opinion here was that there's no reason the
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  Vikings should have lost this game.
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  They had more total or team yards than 90 more team yards in the Broncos.
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  They were winning this game going into the fourth quarter.
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  You know, to me, I am guilty of falling asleep towards the end of the third quarter didn't
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  catch the fourth quarter in this one.
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  Dad life.
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  But I just I did not expect to wake up and see that the Broncos won this game.
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  The Vikings had this game the whole time.
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  They did.
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  And honestly, it's it's missed opportunities in the red zone for the Vikings, honestly,
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  settling for the field goals, having to settle for the field goals.
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  And then also, I believe this was the final drive of the game.
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  The Vikings trying to get down into field goal range to even have the opportunity to
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  win Dobbs.
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  It was it was basically, you know, ball snap.
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  Dobbs looked to his right.
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  Hawkinson's out there and Simmons had Hawkinson's number all game anyway.
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  But Simmons jumps the route.
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  Dex Hawkinson, no catch.
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  And then, you know, we we run the ball.
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  So now it's like and get, I don't know, a couple yards.
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  So now it's like third and six, whatever, something like that.
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  We decided to throw that same ball to Hawkinson again.
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  And Simmons does the exact it was the exact same play.
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  Like we're trying to force the ball now to Hawkinson with no JJ on the field.
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  Why I don't know what the hell is going on with that.
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  I would assume Addison was locked up for most of this game with certain.
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  Yeah, I mean, pastor Tain's an absolute monster of a corner.
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  And that's the thing about this Broncos team is like the you're not you can't rule them
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  out just because of how good their defense is.
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  And the other story of the game was three turnovers.
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  You know, you're not really you're not going to win a lot of games in the NFL with a negative
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  three turnover margin in a game.
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  So it's, you know, the the hit on Dobbs from Kareem Jackson, you can argue, is that a penalty
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  or not?
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  He's a running back on that play.
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  He's not a quarterback.
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  I don't think he I don't know.
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  I mean, Kareem Jackson has a history.
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  That's the one thing that makes you really question it.
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  But to me, that that's a football play like you're not going to get the fumble right there.
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  He also led with the crown.
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  That's that's the part that's the main issue, I believe.
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  Do I think that, you know, changes the course of the game?
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  No.
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  Do I think that every game should be on one call?
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  No.
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  You should still play better enough before or after that.
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  But I agree like that could be a factor.
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  Yeah.
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  And I mean, to be honest with you, that whole crown of the helmet thing, it's like I am
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  all for player safety in the NFL, but when we're looking at targeting and leading with
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  the crown of the helmet and all these fines, these NFL running backs are getting right
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  now.
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  I mean, that's how foundationally how you're taught to play football and you're having
• 18:17
  to reteach that.
• 18:19
  But to me, the prime example of it is in college football this last week and you had the Boston
• 18:24
  College defender literally almost swan dive in the air, lead with his head and smoke the
• 18:28
  receiver in the head.
• 18:30
  One hundred percent targeting that needs to be eliminated from the NFL.
• 18:33
  But when Kareem Jackson is leading with the crown of his helmet, yes, did not make head
• 18:37
  contact with Dobbs, he hit him in the chest.
• 18:39
  Yeah, it was clear chest, which seems clean.
• 18:42
  Which is the best way to really cause a fumble in that situation.
• 18:45
  You're taught to put your head on the ball.
• 18:47
  Yeah.
• 18:48
  So to me, it's a modern day NFL.
• 18:49
  You know, you can't really complain about it too much because that's the direction the
• 18:53
  NFL is going.
• 18:54
  We're going to get to this later with the bonehead move of the week and we'll talk a
• 18:56
  lot about it more in depth.
• 18:58
  But it's just missed opportunities.
• 19:01
  Yeah, you say that, but you look at the Broncos, they were one for five with converting red
• 19:05
  zone opportunities.
• 19:06
  You know, the Vikings were two for two for four.
• 19:10
  So you know, not great.
• 19:11
  You want to confer more than 50 percent of your red zone opportunities.
• 19:14
  But it's just it's the it's the time timeliness of it, though, when they're missing on these
• 19:20
  red zone opportunities.
• 19:21
  Sure.
• 19:22
  In the clutch or whatever you may call it, the immeasurable time.
• 19:25
  You know what I mean?
• 19:26
  And I mean, I guess you can say on the Denver side of the ball, Russell Wilson did enough
• 19:29
  to get the job done.
• 19:30
  He didn't look amazing, but he he didn't look bad, actually.
• 19:34
  He played pretty well for most of the game.
• 19:37
  Twenty seven for thirty five should win you a good amount of games.
• 19:40
  You know, throwing for 260, that doesn't scream off the charts at you.
• 19:44
  But the Broncos had no resemblance of a run game in this game.
• 19:47
  You know, 15 attempts for 46 yards.
• 19:49
  The Vikings locked them down in that regard.
• 19:51
  Now are the Broncos a top tier run team in the NFL?
• 19:54
  No.
• 19:55
  But it was up to Russ and Russ is back, man.
• 19:59
  He's not making those decisions like he was last year.
• 20:01
  He's not trying to force the ball.
• 20:03
  He's showing some of that escape ability that he used to once have his deep ball doesn't
• 20:07
  that moon ball doesn't quite look the same now.
• 20:10
  But, you know, he's he's putting you in a position to at least win the game and he's
• 20:14
  not costing you the game like he was last year.
• 20:17
  So now what's what's the realistic status of Denver for the rest of the season?
• 20:21
  Like their outlook, you know, can they challenge for an outside wild card spot?
• 20:25
  I mean, they've won that's four in a row now.
• 20:28
  I think that defense is going to get you a chance at the playoffs.
• 20:31
  They need more production out of the run game and they need those receivers to step up a
• 20:35
  little bit more.
• 20:36
  Like I said, I don't think Wilson's going to put you in a position to really lose the
• 20:39
  game.
• 20:40
  They're also have the benefit of having a pretty weak AFC West.
• 20:43
  The Raiders aren't anything we've already talking on the talk talked about the Chargers.
• 20:47
  Chiefs are going to be the chiefs.
• 20:48
  You know, they they're still going to be great.
• 20:50
  They don't have, you know, a wildly hard schedule.
• 20:53
  So I I think they could they could sneak into the wild card spot.
• 20:56
  It's just the AFC is just so tough right now.
• 20:58
  It's just so tough right now.
• 20:59
  Yeah, no doubt.
• 21:00
  I would agree right there with your with the receiver play.
• 21:03
  And I mean, you did kind of see it a little bit, you know, in this game.
• 21:07
  Sutton with the one handed grab late in the game, got the tutty as well.
• 21:11
  Jerry Judy ran some great routes on Sunday night.
• 21:15
  So I mean, we'll see.
• 21:17
  I think I think they could challenge for an outside shot, but they got to they got to
• 21:21
  keep it going.
• 21:22
  Like you said, I think they kind of got to ride that defense.
• 21:25
  And then if Russell Wilson can be, you know, a sliver of himself, they might be all right.
• 21:30
  I agree.
• 21:31
  I agree.
• 21:32
  I think the Broncos could I don't know if they're necessarily going to say they're going
• 21:34
  to make some noise come playoff time.
• 21:36
  No, I feel like one and done.
• 21:38
  I feel like one and done.
• 21:39
  But who knows?
• 21:40
  Yeah, most certainly.
• 21:41
  Most certainly.
• 21:42
  Well, let's move on.
• 21:43
  For the record, I had Denver actually covering that spread.
• 21:49
  Smelty had the Vikings winning that game.
• 21:51
  Sorry, we had them not necessarily winning, but covering.
• 21:54
  So they did lose by one.
• 21:55
  So they did cover that spread.
• 21:57
  So as it stands right now, we are I'm down.
• 22:00
  Smelty, you are up one at four, two.
• 22:03
  I am over two so far on the slate.
• 22:04
  But let's move on.
• 22:05
  We have the Bengals traveling to Baltimore, taking on the Ravens.
• 22:10
  The Ravens were indeed a three and a half point favorite in this game.
• 22:12
  I chose the Ravens to cover that spread.
• 22:14
  You thought the Bengals weren't necessarily going to win, but we're going to cover that
• 22:17
  story of the game.
• 22:18
  Smelty will get right into it.
• 22:20
  Joe Burrow tore a ligament in his hand.
• 22:23
  He's out for the year, man.
• 22:24
  Yeah, I mean, that's unfortunate.
• 22:26
  And in a very competitive division right now, that almost solidifies the Bengals as being
• 22:32
  out of that race.
• 22:34
  You just hate to see it.
• 22:35
  And we've seen it so many times this season already, which is super weird.
• 22:38
  A lot of superstars going down.
• 22:41
  And that just like I said, I can't say it enough.
• 22:44
  It just sucks to see, you know.
• 22:46
  So who came in?
• 22:47
  Jake Browning was it?
• 22:48
  Jake Browning.
• 22:49
  So Jake Browning.
• 22:51
  Maybe not Joey B. But I will say he didn't look that bad.
• 22:58
  Obviously your play calling is going to change with any quarterback that goes in there after
• 23:02
  Joe Burrow.
• 23:03
  He's not going to be able to do Joe Burrow shit.
• 23:05
  So but what he did, what he did show me, though, is he showed me some decent pocket presence,
• 23:10
  right?
• 23:11
  Just seeing how he could feel the pressure around him stepping up, getting out, whatever
• 23:15
  he had to do.
• 23:16
  He did show some of that.
• 23:18
  And you could see him going through his reads.
• 23:22
  I don't know.
• 23:23
  I'm curious to see how he plays after a week of practice as the starter.
• 23:28
  If they decide they're going to go with him as a starter.
• 23:30
  I'd imagine they are.
• 23:31
  Yeah, they most certainly are.
• 23:33
  He's a second year player out of Washington.
• 23:35
  So you can't expect too much from him, especially without a week of practice.
• 23:39
  He was forcing the ball to Jamarra a little bit too much, in my opinion.
• 23:42
  But in the same sentence, what are you going to do?
• 23:44
  They have one of a top four receiver in the NFL, unquestionably a top four receiver in
• 23:48
  the NFL.
• 23:49
  Like throw the ball at him.
• 23:50
  But you look at Jamarra, two catches, 12 yards on seven targets.
• 23:54
  Like the Ravens locked him down pretty good.
• 23:56
  They really did.
• 23:57
  But yeah, I was quite impressed with Browning, how he came in.
• 23:59
  He showed some poise.
• 24:00
  He didn't seem like the stage was too big.
• 24:01
  Now, I mean, the game got out of hand pretty quick in this one.
• 24:05
  So he got to take everything with a grain of salt.
• 24:08
  Baltimore just capitalized on it.
• 24:10
  That's all that was.
• 24:11
  That's what I mean.
• 24:12
  It's going to be a week in practice, knowing you're starting and, you know, with with those
• 24:17
  receivers.
• 24:18
  I'm just curious to see if it's any different.
• 24:20
  Yeah, most certainly.
• 24:21
  Most certainly.
• 24:22
  I am.
• 24:23
  I'm excited to see what he kind of does as well, because they have all the pieces again.
• 24:27
  But then you switch over to the other side of the ball here.
• 24:28
  The Ravens also suffered a big loss with Mark Andrews going down.
• 24:32
  Didn't seem to really slow him down in this game, you know, with the running game coming
• 24:35
  back alive.
• 24:36
  One hundred and fifty seven yards total with Gus Edwards kind of showing what he does this
• 24:39
  year with those two touchdowns.
• 24:41
  And then Lamar kind of looked back to form in the pocket and passing as well.
• 24:45
  You know, he's 16 for 26, 264 and two tuds.
• 24:48
  So all the speculation or whatever, he's always going to get that because he's Lamar and everybody
• 24:54
  views him as a running quarterback.
• 24:55
  But he's proven time and time again that he is a good quarterback in the NFL and can throw
• 24:59
  the ball.
• 25:01
  Everybody's going to throw a dud once in a while.
• 25:02
  A hundred percent.
• 25:03
  And I mean, that stat line, right?
• 25:06
  16 for 26, 264, two tuds.
• 25:08
  I mean, it's not anything amazing, but if you watch the game and watch him throw the
• 25:14
  ball, man, did Lamar look comfortable in the pocket straight up.
• 25:18
  He has looked more comfortable every single week to me.
• 25:21
  Yeah, he really has.
• 25:22
  He really has.
• 25:23
  I mean, I don't think really much more needs to be said about this one.
• 25:27
  You know, like I said, the Ravens won pretty handily.
• 25:29
  OBJ 116 on four receptions.
• 25:33
  Yeah, he had that 51 yarder that that was huge.
• 25:37
  I love to see it, brother.
• 25:38
  I've always been an OBJ fan.
• 25:39
  I love it.
• 25:40
  I love it.
• 25:41
  And then and then you got then you got his buddy Zay Flowers, man.
• 25:45
  Zay Flowers is so fricking dangerous in the open field.
• 25:49
  That was just the last thing I wanted to say.
• 25:51
  I think they threw just a slant or something short, right?
• 25:54
  But then he made the play with his feet.
• 25:55
  Kind of reminds me of Stefan Diggs a little bit.
• 25:57
  But like just how shifty he is in the open field.
• 26:01
  And I hate using shifty because I used it a shit ton last week.
• 26:04
  But he is, dude.
• 26:05
  He's got the fastest feet to me in the NFL.
• 26:08
  Just how he can stop on a dime.
• 26:10
  Boom, boom.
• 26:11
  You know what I mean?
• 26:12
  Like he's just and of course, listener, you're not going to know what I mean.
• 26:14
  But like, you know, his cuts, just everything.
• 26:17
  He's so fast.
• 26:18
  He has the fastest feet in the NFL to me.
• 26:20
  Yeah, straight up.
• 26:21
  I don't know if I'd give him that crown over Devante yet.
• 26:25
  Over Devante Adams?
• 26:26
  Yeah.
• 26:27
  Zay Flowers?
• 26:28
  Yes.
• 26:29
  You wild.
• 26:30
  Yes.
• 26:31
  Sorry.
• 26:32
  Yes.
• 26:33
  Wild.
• 26:34
  Dude, I'm telling you, bro.
• 26:35
  I love to see it.
• 26:36
  I'm curious if Zay can if he can build on that or if that's what we're going to get,
• 26:41
  if it gets any better than that, you know, because if it doesn't get any better than
• 26:45
  that, then I would say obviously Devante.
• 26:48
  But as far as like I'm talking like foot speed, dude, like as far as making guys miss in the
• 26:53
  open field because of how fast you can move your lower body, like start, stop any anything,
• 26:58
  dude, I'm telling you, Zay Flowers is it, bro.
• 27:01
  I still don't know if I'll go with that, man.
• 27:04
  Devante Adams.
• 27:05
  Now, if I had to pick a receiver, Devante Adams.
• 27:07
  Well, yeah, I know.
• 27:08
  I know you're not saying he's about to.
• 27:09
  I know you're not getting there.
• 27:10
  And he's an elite route runner.
• 27:12
  I'm talking strictly in terms of footwork, right?
• 27:14
  Fast feet.
• 27:15
  Chad Johnson cried watching Devante Adams releases, bro.
• 27:20
  Are we talking current Devante Adams or younger Devante Adams?
• 27:23
  You either last three or four years, his footwork hasn't dropped off.
• 27:26
  His quarterback play has.
• 27:27
  Well, yeah, we know that.
• 27:28
  Yeah, no, no, no.
• 27:29
  We know that for sure.
• 27:31
  I don't know.
• 27:32
  Just keep an eye on Zay Flowers, bro.
• 27:33
  No, I was I was actually really hopeful that he would have made it to the Packers in the
• 27:37
  first year, that the Packers would have drafted him last year.
• 27:40
  They had the opportunity getting Van Ness, but I was I really, really, really liked Zay
• 27:44
  Flowers coming out.
• 27:46
  I like this to Von Diggs comp.
• 27:48
  That was my comp going into the draft this year.
• 27:50
  He reminds me a lot of digs, not a huge big bodied receiver, but the shiftiness, the going
• 27:54
  up and getting the ball.
• 27:56
  You know, I'm not saying his footwork is an elite.
• 27:58
  He has great footwork.
• 28:00
  It's just it's hard for me to put anybody in any realm of footwork above Devante at
• 28:04
  this point.
• 28:06
  But there is slight bias with my Packer fandom with Devante as well with that.
• 28:10
  Right.
• 28:11
  And I'm not saying Devante ain't elite because he is.
• 28:12
  I already know that.
• 28:13
  I've seen it my whole life.
• 28:15
  Watch a damn football, unfortunately.
• 28:17
  Yeah, but I was I'm a big Zay Flowers guy.
• 28:20
  I think they need to get him more involved in the game plan.
• 28:23
  You know, whether it even just be like an end around that shovel pass.
• 28:26
  And you've seen that this game, they tried it on one or two plays.
• 28:29
  Now, it didn't go for hella yards, but they definitely tried that.
• 28:33
  Yeah.
• 28:34
  And I like that.
• 28:35
  You know, even if it just like a bubble screen, just just get the ball in his hands and see
• 28:37
  what he can do.
• 28:38
  Yep.
• 28:39
  Get that guy in open space.
• 28:40
  All right, let's move on.
• 28:41
  We had another AFC North matchup with the Pittsburgh Steelers traveling to the Cleveland
• 28:46
  Browns, taking on the dog pound.
• 28:49
  Going into this game, the Browns were four point favorites.
• 28:53
  No Deshaun Watson for the Browns in this one.
• 28:56
  We had some pretty big news coming out of the Steelers camp post NFL weekend now.
• 29:01
  But the Browns ended up winning this game 13 to 10, kind of stopping the Steelers little
• 29:06
  run of a little bit of success.
• 29:08
  I really shouldn't be winning games.
• 29:11
  Let's call it what it is.
• 29:12
  Dorian Thompson Robinson didn't look great.
• 29:15
  Can't expect too much out of him.
• 29:17
  You know, he didn't really put him in a position to lose the game.
• 29:20
  But I mean, it was a dogfight the whole way.
• 29:22
  You expected it to be a defensive battle with two kind of underperforming offenses.
• 29:27
  I mean, I'm not going to lie to you, I didn't really watch much of this game.
• 29:31
  It's not a game that jumps off the sheet and says, hey, I'm excited to watch that.
• 29:34
  You're not going to really see any big plays.
• 29:36
  You know, Jaylen Warren did have that monster of a run, which thank you, I needed that in
• 29:40
  fantasy.
• 29:42
  Really did.
• 29:43
  Well, oh, sorry.
• 29:44
  And I mean, look at Jaylen Warren these past few weeks, though, his improvement over the
• 29:49
  past few weeks.
• 29:51
  Holy shit, where did he come from?
• 29:53
  You know what I mean?
• 29:54
  He just kind of emerged now and now is isn't even starting over Naji Harris now.
• 29:58
  Didn't he get the start this week?
• 30:00
  I can't remember, but I thought they said that, like, he will be starting going forward.
• 30:04
  Yeah, yeah.
• 30:05
  Tomlin came out during the week last week and said that Jaylen Warren will be the starter.
• 30:08
  Now the funny thing about that or the interesting about that is Naji still did have three more
• 30:12
  carries than him.
• 30:13
  You know, so if you take out that 74 yard run, he had eight carries for 55 yards, 59
• 30:19
  yards.
• 30:20
  You know, that doesn't scream off the page for you, but that's still pretty damn good.
• 30:24
  Still better than Naji.
• 30:25
  Eight carries for 59.
• 30:27
  I would still take over 12 for 35.
• 30:29
  Absolutely, absolutely.
• 30:31
  And you know, like I said, I mean, this this game, there's nothing really about this game
• 30:34
  that excited me.
• 30:36
  So that's not as much talk about the game because I totally agree with you.
• 30:40
  But now let's talk about Cleveland's legit.
• 30:42
  I mean, both of these teams, do they even have a legitimate chance to challenge for
• 30:46
  the division?
• 30:47
  Cleveland, I could have said maybe with Deshaun.
• 30:50
  I don't know.
• 30:51
  I don't think DTR is going to get you what you're looking for this season.
• 30:56
  But I mean, what are what are both teams chances do you think to actually make a run in the
• 31:01
  division?
• 31:02
  I think the Steelers are a 500 team.
• 31:04
  I could see him finishing nine and seven, you know, that which isn't going to get you
• 31:06
  a wild card spot in the in the AFC.
• 31:10
  Cleveland, their defense is just so damn good where I could see the Browns squeaking into
• 31:16
  a wild card spot, especially if they lean heavy on that run game.
• 31:20
  Now they didn't really perform too well in the run game this week with 29 carries for
• 31:23
  96 yards, three point three yard average.
• 31:26
  Doesn't doesn't scream greatness to you.
• 31:28
  But again, you know, Steelers defense that front seven just frickin nasty.
• 31:33
  But I don't know.
• 31:35
  I mean, the Steelers firing Matt Canada.
• 31:37
  That's the big news that happened today, actually.
• 31:40
  I think that's long overdue.
• 31:42
  But I don't think it fixes the offense.
• 31:44
  You can't fix an offense 12 or 11 weeks into the year.
• 31:48
  The offense isn't going to change.
• 31:49
  Yeah, there's going to be different play caller, but it's the same fundamental offense, which
• 31:53
  maybe they just need that that change of scenery and a little bit of green with some fresh
• 31:57
  play calling.
• 31:58
  But I don't know.
• 32:00
  I don't think either team is going to do anything in the playoffs, but I could see the Browns
• 32:04
  squeaking into a wild card spot.
• 32:05
  They're not going to contend with the Ravens.
• 32:07
  No, no.
• 32:08
  So I agree.
• 32:10
  I think it's too late kind of for the Matt Canada thing.
• 32:12
  I think it needed to happen, but I think it's too late for this season to really do anything
• 32:16
  with or change too much.
• 32:18
  But as far as the Browns go, I think you kind of hit that on the head as far as rushing
• 32:22
  goes.
• 32:23
  The rushing attack hasn't been bad these past few weeks.
• 32:26
  So I think if they can get that up and they can just get DTR to just I mean, 43 attempts
• 32:31
  is fucking wild.
• 32:33
  I think they need to tone that back a little bit and just get them some easier throws,
• 32:38
  man.
• 32:39
  Get them some easier throws.
• 32:40
  Get some confidence under them.
• 32:41
  Get Kareem Hunt and Jerome Ford going and see what happens with that.
• 32:46
  I think you're right.
• 32:47
  I think Cleveland could challenge for a wild card spot.
• 32:49
  I don't think they could walk into MT&T Bank Stadium or whatever, whatever the hell it's
• 32:55
  called for Baltimore and win a game.
• 32:57
  I don't think so.
• 32:59
  And with them looking so good right now, they're probably going to win the division.
• 33:02
  But in the Bengals situation, Cleveland does have a path for a wild card spot if they want
• 33:07
  it.
• 33:08
  Yeah, they most certainly do.
• 33:09
  You see, North, two weeks ago was great division.
• 33:12
  You got Deshaun Watson, you got Joe Burrow, and then you lose two of the three best quarterbacks
• 33:18
  in the division.
• 33:20
  And Ravens lose Mark Andrews.
• 33:23
  It's just injuries as a whole, man.
• 33:25
  But yeah, that division.
• 33:26
  The Sears are the only team that haven't encountered a serious injury yet.
• 33:29
  But isn't that crazy now how those injuries that you just mentioned have now kind of changed
• 33:33
  the way the division could look because of that?
• 33:35
  Absolutely.
• 33:36
  It completely changes the landscape of that division.
• 33:38
  It really does.
• 33:39
  It's like the league's just full of mediocre players if they make such a difference.
• 33:44
  That's funny.
• 33:45
  That's funny.
• 33:46
  All right, well, let's get on to our game of the week.
• 33:48
  We had a Super Bowl rematch.
• 33:50
  Philadelphia traveling down to Arrowhead and taking on the Kansas City Chiefs.
• 33:55
  What a hell of a game, Smelty.
• 33:57
  What a hell of a game.
• 33:58
  The Chiefs were favored by three going into this game.
• 34:01
  Both Smelty and I had the Chiefs covering that three and winning this game.
• 34:06
  That did not happen.
• 34:08
  We had the Eagles pulling it off 21-17.
• 34:12
  Tell me a little bit about that game, man.
• 34:13
  Yeah, I mean, let's be honest.
• 34:15
  This is everything we wanted.
• 34:17
  I mean, this is the game of the year to this point.
• 34:20
  Also better at the boys game of the week.
• 34:22
  But I mean, this is exactly the type of game you're looking for for a Super Bowl rematch,
• 34:27
  maybe a Super Bowl preview even.
• 34:31
  But late in the game, I really saw the Chiefs pulling out with this one.
• 34:34
  I really thought the Eagles had no chance, but they really just kept grinding, I guess
• 34:40
  you could say, chipping away at the Chiefs, wearing down their defense.
• 34:44
  I think the Chiefs defense played outstanding this game, but the Eagles just kept wearing
• 34:50
  them down, wearing them down, wearing them down in that second half.
• 34:53
  And finally they broke.
• 34:54
  They did, man.
• 34:55
  The Eagles not allowing any second half points is the story of the game.
• 34:59
  It looks like going into the half, the Chiefs were up 17-7.
• 35:02
  The Chiefs were in control of the game.
• 35:05
  Pat Mahomes doing Pat Mahomes things.
• 35:07
  That first touchdown pass was one thing of a beauty.
• 35:10
  And you're not very many NFL quarterbacks from making that throw.
• 35:13
  They had all of the run game in the first half.
• 35:16
  The Chiefs first half rushing was the most rushing yards the Eagles have allowed the
• 35:20
  entire year.
• 35:22
  And I believe that number was around 120, 122.
• 35:26
  They let up 40 yards in the second half.
• 35:28
  If that number is correct, I could be wrong.
• 35:31
  They had no points and essentially shut Mahomes down.
• 35:33
  Mahomes game, he threw for 4.1 yards per average.
• 35:38
  It doesn't scream off the sheets by any means.
• 35:40
  And had a 71.6 quarterback rating.
• 35:42
  But okay, but 4.1 yards per average, right?
• 35:45
  If you look at it this way, now you're not passing every down, right?
• 35:49
  43 attempts, you're passing a lot, but you're not passing every down.
• 35:53
  4.3 yards, okay, you do that three times.
• 35:56
  That's a first down.
• 35:57
  The thing that astounds me though is like the just giving up on the run game.
• 36:01
  This is looking at strictly just averages, but they average 5.6 yards per rush.
• 36:05
  You can't win very many games averaging more yards per rush than you are averaging per
• 36:10
  pass in today's NFL with Patrick Mahomes as your quarterback.
• 36:14
  True, true, yeah, okay, I'll give you that.
• 36:17
  Mahomes average being who he is should be greater, for sure.
• 36:21
  I'll give you that.
• 36:22
  But it's not like Kansas City didn't have any rushing game at all.
• 36:25
  Now in the second half they pretty much didn't.
• 36:27
  But in that first half they had it going on.
• 36:30
  So did the Chiefs just get conservative or did the Eagles make that many changes going
• 36:36
  into the second half that they finally showed us what we've been kind of asking for on this
• 36:43
  pod the last two weeks?
• 36:44
  Like, show us something, Eagles, to show us that you're real.
• 36:49
  And that second half, that defense straight up showed me that they should be beating the
• 36:54
  San Francisco 49ers in that NFC Championship game.
• 36:57
  I would 100% agree.
• 36:58
  That Eagles defense, I had a lot of questions going into this week.
• 37:04
  The thing about it is...
• 37:05
  We have every week, that's what I mean.
• 37:06
  Exactly.
• 37:07
  And they showed that they can clamp down when they need to, didn't have a good showing in
• 37:11
  the first half, they made the necessary adjustments.
• 37:14
  And to me the biggest thing with the Eagles is just the lack of consistency.
• 37:21
  And even Jalen Hurtskine in his post-game interview came out and said, we have yet to
• 37:25
  play a full game of football this year and we've lost one game.
• 37:29
  That's kind of fucking scary.
• 37:31
  No shit.
• 37:32
  But you're also thinking like, if you have yet to play a whole game of football and you've
• 37:36
  only lost one game, then they're close.
• 37:41
  Imagine if they do play a full game of football.
• 37:43
  They're straight, dude.
• 37:45
  I don't...
• 37:46
  The thing about the Eagles is, going into this week, the last couple of weeks, first
• 37:50
  half of the season is, the only real weakness I would say they had was their secondary.
• 37:57
  That seemed to have been corrected.
• 37:58
  You held Bill Holmes to 177 yards.
• 38:01
  And your boy Bayard got a pick.
• 38:03
  He did.
• 38:04
  In the end zone.
• 38:05
  Wasn't it in the end zone?
• 38:06
  It was in the red zone, I know for sure.
• 38:07
  I don't know if it was necessarily the end zone.
• 38:08
  Yeah, it was the end zone.
• 38:09
  It was the end zone, yep.
• 38:10
  Yeah.
• 38:11
  So that's already paying off.
• 38:12
  They shut down Travis Kelsey for the most part, seven targets, or nine targets, seven
• 38:16
  receptions.
• 38:17
  Two big drops.
• 38:18
  But he only had 44 yards.
• 38:20
  Yes, the drops were...
• 38:21
  The Achilles heel for Travis this game, and you just don't see it.
• 38:24
  And the fumble too, which it just...
• 38:26
  He's a clutch player.
• 38:27
  He straight up is a clutch player.
• 38:29
  And those plays, the drops, which, okay, he dropped the ball in third down and then caught
• 38:33
  the ball on fourth down for the first down late in the game.
• 38:36
  But the drops and the fumble, it's just uncharacteristic for him, I would say.
• 38:40
  We don't really see that in crunch time.
• 38:42
  He's usually the guy like, oh great, Kelsey's getting the ball.
• 38:47
  They're just trying to run this game away, you know?
• 38:49
  Yeah, the fumble is the thing that just blew my mind the most.
• 38:53
  He's never been known for that.
• 38:55
  He's a very, very...
• 38:56
  The thing with Kelsey is he's targeted a lot.
• 38:58
  He gets a lot of receptions, but he takes care of his body.
• 39:01
  You know what I mean?
• 39:02
  And when I say that, not necessarily off the field, but he's not going in lowering that
• 39:05
  shoulder trying to get the extra two yards.
• 39:07
  Now, if it's a short yard of situation that anybody in the NFL is going to, but he avoids
• 39:11
  context pretty good.
• 39:12
  He protects his body when he gets hit.
• 39:14
  He doesn't try to just gung-ho force it like that.
• 39:18
  So for him to have that fumble was just very, very surprising to me.
• 39:21
  And I mean, not to throw this in there.
• 39:23
  It has nothing to do with the fumble, but I mean, with Kelsey's TD, that game now, he's
• 39:28
  allegedly tied for fifth for most TDs by a tight end in league history.
• 39:33
  From what I see, I think he's actually by himself in fifth, passing Jason Whitten now.
• 39:40
  So he's well on his way to being the greatest tight end of all time.
• 39:44
  Is he going to catch Rob Ginkowski?
• 39:45
  I have no idea because he was crazy with Brady and they're the top tandem quarterback tight
• 39:51
  end team to ever do it.
• 39:52
  But now Mahomes and Kelsey actually just tied Breeze and Jimmy Graham for the third best
• 39:57
  combo ever to do it.
• 39:59
  So he's obviously his safety blanket, you know, and that's exactly who he went to in
• 40:05
  crunch time.
• 40:06
  And you saw it and he's always there for him, for Mahomes I'm talking about.
• 40:10
  Kelsey's always there for him.
• 40:12
  And then, yeah, just that fumble, man, just, I don't know, really uncharacteristic.
• 40:17
  And if you look at those two drops, he had seven receptions on nine targets.
• 40:20
  Those two drops are the other two targets.
• 40:22
  So the ball was in his hands every single time he got targeted.
• 40:24
  What do you expect with Mahomes?
• 40:26
  Yeah, but dude, it's just so weird, man.
• 40:28
  Under what was it?
• 40:29
  Under four minutes left in the game probably at that point, maybe under three.
• 40:32
  Like it was literally, I don't know, I just keep saying the same thing over and over again.
• 40:36
  I know I do and it's probably annoying as shit, but I'm just that flabbergasted at it.
• 40:40
  No, most certainly, most certainly.
• 40:42
  But the game delivered.
• 40:43
  You know, it's exactly what you want.
• 40:45
  Sunday night or sorry, Monday night game.
• 40:46
  You don't get a lot of those great Monday night games anymore for whatever reason.
• 40:50
  You know, they have the pretty good matchups, but you just don't get that classic Monday
• 40:54
  night football.
• 40:55
  John Madden, Al Michaels, you know, gritty game that you just always used to see and
• 41:00
  it used to be an absolute spectacle.
• 41:02
  Those are Sunday night games now.
• 41:03
  True, true.
• 41:04
  But this had that feeling to it to me.
• 41:06
  No, it did.
• 41:07
  Yeah.
• 41:08
  Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 41:09
  It had that feeling to it to me.
• 41:12
  And I mean, I don't know.
• 41:14
  For me, the play of the game that sealed it is that, OK, actually, I'm curious what your
• 41:19
  opinion is on this.
• 41:20
  Did MVS straight up drop that ball?
• 41:22
  Hundred percent.
• 41:23
  That's what I think, too.
• 41:24
  Yeah, everybody.
• 41:25
  You know, Mahomes took it on himself.
• 41:27
  Mahomes is like, oh, I overthrew him, you know, as humble Mahomes does.
• 41:30
  As any great leader would do.
• 41:32
  Exactly, exactly.
• 41:33
  And he's always been like that.
• 41:34
  That's one thing I can respect on Mahomes.
• 41:36
  People hate on him and that's fine.
• 41:37
  I don't know how you can.
• 41:38
  I honestly don't know how you can hate on the guy.
• 41:40
  He does everything you want off the field.
• 41:42
  He's a family man.
• 41:43
  He does gives back to the community like he said he's going to go down as the greatest
• 41:47
  quarterback of all time when it's all said and done.
• 41:49
  I'm not going to give him that right now because it's hard to give an active player that role.
• 41:53
  That's just my personal opinion on the matter.
• 41:54
  I like that statement.
• 41:56
  That's why I couldn't label Brady.
• 41:57
  I like that statement.
• 41:58
  Yeah.
• 41:59
  That's why I couldn't label Brady as the goat when he was still actively playing.
• 42:01
  Now, as soon as he retired, he's greatest of all time.
• 42:04
  Yeah.
• 42:05
  OK.
• 42:06
  When LeBron LeTire's probably going to be the greatest of all time.
• 42:07
  Now, that's a whole other story.
• 42:09
  Thank you.
• 42:10
  Yes, that's a whole other story.
• 42:11
  Right now, he's not.
• 42:13
  But it's to go back to the Mahomes Kelsey, I just don't think Kelsey has that much good
• 42:18
  football left him at 34 years old.
• 42:20
  You think this is Kelsey's last ride?
• 42:22
  Absolutely not.
• 42:23
  I think he's going to be a very productive tight end in the NFL, but very productive
• 42:28
  isn't what we expect out of Travis Kelsey.
• 42:30
  You're talking about a guy who's consistently in the top five receiving yards in the entire
• 42:34
  league the last five or seven years.
• 42:37
  So that drop off would still be great productive.
• 42:39
  He's still going to be a top three to four tight end in the NFL.
• 42:42
  Ever?
• 42:43
  But he's unquestionable.
• 42:44
  No, I'm just meaning like in the next year or two.
• 42:45
  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:46
  When it's all said and done, yes.
• 42:47
  But you're saying he's going to start declining.
• 42:50
  Is that what you're saying is what we saw as maybe the start of the decline?
• 42:53
  I'm not saying that is all.
• 42:54
  I'm not saying that at all because he hasn't shown that this year.
• 42:57
  But he's also come out and said that he's never contemplated retirement as much as he
• 43:01
  has the last couple of years.
• 43:02
  At the end of the day, he has two rings.
• 43:05
  He doesn't necessarily have anything else left to prove.
• 43:08
  No, besides going down as the greatest, which is a driving force and motivator for everybody.
• 43:13
  But in my opinion, he's already a first ballot Hall of Famer.
• 43:16
  Yeah, yeah.
• 43:17
  I mean, he's he's dynamic.
• 43:18
  The only reason he's not the greatest tight end of his generation is because he played
• 43:21
  at the same time as Gronk.
• 43:24
  That's the the Peyton Manning, Tom Brady argument applies the same thing.
• 43:27
  Sure.
• 43:28
  Yeah, fair.
• 43:29
  Drew Brees with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady applies the same thing.
• 43:31
  Yeah.
• 43:32
  So it's it's you know, that's not in his favor, but he's hands down the best time in the NFL
• 43:38
  or me.
• 43:39
  And it's not even remotely close to a number two.
• 43:40
  No, I would say George Kittle is number two right now with Andrews going down.
• 43:44
  But that's a steep drop off to me where you look at the number one receiver, in my opinion,
• 43:48
  is still Devante Adams versus number two being J.J.
• 43:51
  Devante or J.J.
• 43:52
  Tyree, Kill or even Jamar Chase.
• 43:53
  There's not a big gap between those four receivers.
• 43:56
  I like your number.
• 43:57
  Yeah, OK, I see what you're saying.
• 43:58
  I'm not saying those are one through four.
• 44:00
  I'm just saying those are the top four receivers in the NFL.
• 44:03
  Yeah, no, I agree.
• 44:05
  I think there's a steep drop off from Kelsey to Kittle.
• 44:07
  And I would agree.
• 44:08
  I'd put Kittle at two, followed by Andrews, actually.
• 44:11
  But that difference between Kittle and Andrews is a lot smaller than Kelsey to Kittle.
• 44:15
  Well, I think we can both agree from the outcome of this game that the Eagles are the best
• 44:19
  team in the NFL.
• 44:24
  They won the game, but it does a debate for another time.
• 44:27
  I think right now today, they're there.
• 44:30
  Oh, man, that's a debate.
• 44:31
  They're pretty good.
• 44:32
  Eagles pretty good.
• 44:33
  All right.
• 44:34
  Well, we can we can debate that another time.
• 44:36
  But let's move on from the week 11 slate just for those keeping track.
• 44:41
  Smelsey was two for five on games this week predicting against the spread.
• 44:45
  I was also two for five.
• 44:47
  So we are actually going to get a recap of where we're at for the year going into next
• 44:51
  week.
• 44:52
  It just takes a little bit of time to put that together.
• 44:53
  We didn't quite have that going into this week.
• 44:55
  We do apologize, but we will have a running total going forward every week just to kind
• 44:59
  of let the viewers at home know kind of where we're at with.
• 45:01
  And so, you know who to comment on our Facebook page or whatever and talk shit about.
• 45:06
  It's fine.
• 45:07
  It's fine.
• 45:08
  Exactly.
• 45:09
  All right, man.
• 45:10
  Let's get into tent talk, sir.
• 45:11
  We had some injuries this week to the biggest injury that we all do.
• 45:17
  We already kind of spoke on briefly.
• 45:19
  Joey Burrow tearing a ligament in his throwing wrist.
• 45:22
  He has done for the year.
• 45:24
  That video of him trying to throw the ball on the sideline, man, that that hurt to watch.
• 45:28
  And again, it's just your top superstar players getting injured again.
• 45:31
  It just it just sucks to see.
• 45:34
  Even if you're an opponent of that team, like you want to beat them at their best so you
• 45:37
  can claim yourself the best that day or what?
• 45:40
  You know what I mean?
• 45:41
  It's a mentality, but it's just like you want to beat somebody at their best.
• 45:44
  And now the Bengals are starting at their best and they won't be this season.
• 45:47
  Yeah.
• 45:48
  And they were really starting to kind of turn the season around.
• 45:49
  I would have loved to see a healthy Bengals team take on that Ravens team last week.
• 45:53
  That would have been a hell of a game as we expected.
• 45:56
  But some more AFC North news.
• 45:58
  This wasn't news going into the slate, but after recorded the last podcast, Sean Watson
• 46:03
  was put on season and injury or season and season ending IR to repair a fracture he had
• 46:09
  in his throwing shoulder.
• 46:11
  We've already spoken on that quite a bit with with what we expect out of DTR with recapping
• 46:16
  that game.
• 46:17
  But, you know, big loss to the Browns.
• 46:18
  Yeah, no doubt.
• 46:19
  I mean, they really DTR has really got to, you know, dial in at practice this week and
• 46:24
  just see if they can.
• 46:25
  They got to get that rushing game going and see if they can sneak into a playoff spot.
• 46:28
  Yeah, it's the season's not over by by far and by any means with them.
• 46:32
  Especially at what?
• 46:33
  Seven and three.
• 46:34
  They are.
• 46:35
  I believe the Browns are now after that win.
• 46:36
  Yeah, seven and three.
• 46:37
  Seven and three.
• 46:38
  Yep.
• 46:39
  I mean, they're right there.
• 46:40
  So they just got to see see how far DTR can take them.
• 46:44
  Yeah, most certainly.
• 46:45
  Most certainly.
• 46:46
  Let's shift our focus over to NFC West.
• 46:48
  The San Francisco 49ers had a big blow to their defense.
• 46:52
  Talanoa, who Fanga came on the season last year as a second year player, kind of jumped
• 46:56
  off the stat sheet, made a name for herself.
• 46:59
  Torn ACL, another one down for the year.
• 47:03
  Straight up.
• 47:04
  You like saying his name, don't you?
• 47:05
  I do, man.
• 47:06
  I do.
• 47:07
  No, but just another big loss and another loss to a really good defense.
• 47:15
  I'm curious, do you know who they replaced with him for the game?
• 47:19
  I don't.
• 47:20
  I don't.
• 47:21
  I'm sure we'll hear the name here.
• 47:22
  I'm not going to lie to you, Smeltzi.
• 47:24
  I can name Tardevius Ward and that's the only other secondary player I know on the Niners.
• 47:28
  That's fair.
• 47:29
  Like, well, that's what I mean, though, then.
• 47:31
  You're right.
• 47:32
  Like, we have no idea.
• 47:33
  So it'll be curious to see if teams really attack that going forward.
• 47:38
  The crazy thing about that is it's going to be hard to do that with the Niners front seven,
• 47:41
  man.
• 47:42
  Chase Young on the other side of Nick Boasa looks fucking scary.
• 47:45
  Nasty.
• 47:46
  Speaking of Boasa, his brother went out in the Packer game.
• 47:48
  He was pretty emotional in the game.
• 47:52
  He's headed to the IR with a foot sprain.
• 47:54
  It's not considered to be season ending, but with how the Chargers are doing, if he's out
• 47:57
  for the next four weeks, I don't see them in playoff contention to even put him back
• 48:01
  on the field.
• 48:02
  Yeah, no, I mean, they really need him.
• 48:03
  Like you said, I mean, if they go three and one in those four games, yeah, bring him back.
• 48:08
  But if they go one and four or even two and two, you really have to consider your playoff
• 48:12
  chances and maybe you just shut him down for the rest of the season.
• 48:15
  I mean, you're invested a lot in him.
• 48:18
  Why put him out there if he's not if he's coming fresh off injury, even if he's 100
• 48:23
  percent?
• 48:24
  Do you really take that risk?
• 48:25
  I like that take.
• 48:26
  That's it.
• 48:27
  I mean, something to think about.
• 48:28
  To me, it's not necessarily I don't know if the record really matters until they are
• 48:32
  mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.
• 48:35
  That to me is the deciding factor.
• 48:36
  So if they still had a one in a million chance saying there's a chance.
• 48:40
  So let me rephrase that a realistic math.
• 48:43
  OK, you know, if like if these seven teams have to win and these two teams have to tie,
• 48:48
  like that, then it's like, you know, a realistic chance, I guess more than mathematically
• 48:52
  eliminated.
• 48:53
  Fair enough.
• 48:54
  Then we're going to move over to my Packers.
• 48:55
  Aaron Jones, as we spoke earlier about, went down in the second quarter.
• 48:59
  He was emotional on the field.
• 49:00
  He feared he tore his ACL immediately.
• 49:04
  It ended up only being a sprained MCL.
• 49:06
  So it's not a huge injury.
• 49:07
  He's considered week to week this week or week to week at this point with him coming
• 49:11
  off a short week and playing on Thanksgiving.
• 49:13
  He's not expected to play this week, but we could very well see him back next week with
• 49:17
  that.
• 49:18
  That in quotations, many by.
• 49:19
  Yeah, thank God and not another torn ACL.
• 49:22
  Just way too many of them.
• 49:23
  But trust me, you know, when you tear that shit, you hear that pop, I'll tell you right
• 49:27
  now.
• 49:28
  But it just sucks, man.
• 49:30
  Like at least at least it's only a sprain of the MCL.
• 49:33
  Right.
• 49:34
  And that offense really needs an Aaron Jones right now.
• 49:38
  A healthy Aaron Jones right now.
• 49:40
  And who do they play this week?
• 49:41
  The Lions?
• 49:42
  AJ Dillon, my man.
• 49:44
  You better be ready to run.
• 49:46
  Yeah.
• 49:47
  And so for Dylan was hurt too, wasn't he?
• 49:49
  No, Dylan didn't get hurt.
• 49:50
  The third tree, Emmanuel Wilson got hurt.
• 49:51
  So Dylan was the only back.
• 49:52
  Dylan's the only healthy back on the roster.
• 49:54
  Well, he's going to have to be a bowling ball this week.
• 49:56
  He's good at being a bowling ball.
• 49:57
  He just don't go hitting you pins.
• 49:58
  Well, you got to go down the lane too.
• 49:59
  Yeah, you don't go down the lane.
• 50:00
  You got to go north to south, not east to west.
• 50:03
  To those listeners at home, as we spoke on last week, I'm a proud new owner of an Aaron
• 50:07
  Jones jersey just because of the poor performance last week.
• 50:09
  I did not wear it this week, so I am not the reason for those keeping track.
• 50:13
  But you did buy a new jersey for those keeping track of Tyler's jerseys.
• 50:17
  I did.
• 50:18
  I did.
• 50:19
  My white away Romeo Dobbs jersey came today.
• 50:23
  I have that Aaron Jones home jersey, so I wanted to get an away jersey.
• 50:25
  What color is the Aaron Rodgers jersey you got?
• 50:27
  Aaron Rodgers is a home jersey too.
• 50:29
  So do you trust yourself wearing white?
• 50:31
  I do.
• 50:32
  Oh, shit, I do not, dude.
• 50:34
  I could not.
• 50:35
  I could not buy a white jersey, bro.
• 50:36
  Like I could if I'm sitting at home.
• 50:39
  But even then, dude, if I'm eating, I'm taking that shit off.
• 50:41
  Yeah, I'm going to drop some shit on it.
• 50:43
  It is what it is.
• 50:44
  It's not in a washing machine.
• 50:45
  Little bit of bleach can't get out.
• 50:46
  You know what I'm saying?
• 50:47
  Or those like the the the the war scars for you.
• 50:51
  Yeah, yeah.
• 50:52
  Damn, that's that ketchup stain from 1987.
• 50:55
  Damn it.
• 50:56
  But yeah, I'm one of those weird guys where the Packers are playing away.
• 51:00
  I want to wear an away jersey.
• 51:01
  The Packers are playing home.
• 51:02
  I want to wear a home jersey.
• 51:03
  I also have a white hat and a green hat, so it's the same regard.
• 51:05
  So I'm not a huge superstitious guy.
• 51:08
  I mean, it doesn't sound like that.
• 51:09
  Yeah, what I said.
• 51:11
  But yeah, that's that's that's kind of my game plan.
• 51:14
  So for the funny thing about that as well, it's we got my daughter who's 14 months, a
• 51:19
  Packers little cheerleader outfit.
• 51:21
  We have every game that we have put her in it.
• 51:23
  They have one.
• 51:25
  And it sounds like she's wearing the rest of the season.
• 51:28
  No, because I don't want them to win.
• 51:30
  We have no reason.
• 51:32
  No, I'm only kidding with that.
• 51:34
  I want to see some progression out of this offense.
• 51:36
  You know, I mean, yeah, I would like to see a top tier pick, but I don't think we're
• 51:39
  a bad enough team to deserve a top five pick.
• 51:42
  And I mean, the difference between here between 12 and 17.
• 51:45
  Yeah.
• 51:46
  So it's it's I like the progression that I'm seeing, you know, and I like these young
• 51:48
  pieces on defense that are showing.
• 51:51
  But back to the 10 talk here, Kenneth Walker for the Seahawks went down with a non-contact
• 51:55
  oblique injury.
• 51:57
  Pete Carroll came out and said yesterday, being Monday, that they don't consider it
• 52:00
  to be him to be an I.R. candidate at this time.
• 52:03
  But he did acknowledge that the team does need to learn more about the running backs
• 52:06
  injury before determining how much time he might miss.
• 52:09
  Hmm.
• 52:10
  Yeah.
• 52:11
  So that sounds like a real definition of day to day situation.
• 52:14
  Oh, yeah.
• 52:15
  It's coach talk for you 100 percent.
• 52:16
  He's not going to give the other team any advantage in knowing what he's going to be.
• 52:19
  But as you had mentioned off air here, Zach Chardonnay has actually looked pretty good
• 52:23
  spelling him.
• 52:24
  So I don't think there's a huge loss right there.
• 52:26
  No need to rush him if he's not 100 percent.
• 52:29
  Before we get to one of our new segments that is only new because we're putting a name on
• 52:32
  it, we've talked about it every week this week, this podcast here.
• 52:36
  We're going to get to some surprising news out of the Indy Cap.
• 52:39
  Shaquille Leonard was released today.
• 52:42
  He was, you know, a former three time All-Pro.
• 52:45
  He was a defensive rookie of the year.
• 52:47
  He has a lot of talent.
• 52:48
  He's been had the injury bug as of late and he's kind of worked himself out of that Indianapolis
• 52:52
  rotation with the Indy being as young as they are.
• 52:55
  I could see why they want to see that young talent.
• 52:57
  I mean, I like that they released him versus, you know, give it trading him earlier in the
• 53:01
  year, giving him a chance to kind of see who he wants to go play for, put himself on a
• 53:05
  contender, assuming he clears waivers, which I don't know if he will.
• 53:10
  Oh, you don't know if he will.
• 53:12
  I don't know.
• 53:14
  Because if you get picked up on waivers, you got to pick up his contract, too.
• 53:18
  Right.
• 53:19
  Yep.
• 53:20
  Yeah.
• 53:21
  And it's for a team that's, you know, a middle linebacker, an off ball linebacker away, you
• 53:26
  know, with that foundational piece, a team like, say, the Buffalo Bills with Matt Milano
• 53:30
  going down.
• 53:31
  I can see the Bills picking up, not taking the chance of him, not clearing waivers.
• 53:36
  You know, I can't really think of another like top tier team that's in need of that
• 53:39
  because he's not a middle linebacker.
• 53:41
  He's an off ball outside linebacker.
• 53:43
  You know, he's not going to offer much in terms of rushing the passer.
• 53:47
  It's to be honest with you, I haven't really watched much of him in recent years because
• 53:50
  he has battled with so many injuries.
• 53:52
  But when he was, you know, his first three years in the league, even five years, he just
• 53:57
  was always on the ball.
• 53:59
  That guy was just a ball hawk as a linebacker.
• 54:02
  I mean, that's why he's three time All-Pro, first team All-Pro, one of those years being
• 54:06
  his rookie year where he was defensive rookie of the year as well.
• 54:09
  So it's just somebody will take a chance on him.
• 54:12
  And I kind of like it.
• 54:14
  He's kind of more like a middle risk, high reward type of guy, maybe.
• 54:19
  And I say middle risk because of those injuries.
• 54:22
  You don't know how many games he's going to play for you.
• 54:24
  The Vikings signed Marcus Davenport this year and he's played two frickin' games and he
• 54:28
  was allegedly healthy.
• 54:30
  The Vikings also signed Michael Pierce the year before.
• 54:32
  Same bullshit.
• 54:33
  Sorry to go on a tangent about the Vikings again.
• 54:36
  But he's kind of that middle risk only because of the injuries, the two back surgeries and
• 54:41
  I think 2022 or whatever.
• 54:43
  You know, I think somebody's willing to take that risk for the chance that he goes back
• 54:47
  to that first team All-Pro form.
• 54:49
  And you mentioned his playing time.
• 54:50
  I mean, when you're not getting consistent playing time, it's hard to get into that form
• 54:55
  as like these football players, football players say around the world.
• 54:59
  You know, you get into a form, right?
• 55:01
  And he kind of can't get into a good form if he's not playing.
• 55:05
  So I guess we'll just see if, not see if somebody takes a risk, we'll see who takes that risk.
• 55:12
  Yeah, the other thing that's not in his favor is the days of a 4-3 off defense are not long
• 55:18
  gone.
• 55:19
  Going away.
• 55:20
  They're going away.
• 55:21
  So, you know, what does he offer as a 3-4 inside backer?
• 55:25
  I don't know.
• 55:26
  That's actually an interesting take because he's uber athletic.
• 55:29
  You know, he's slowed down in the last couple of years with the injuries, but I'm excited
• 55:33
  to see who he goes to and what kind of difference he can make.
• 55:37
  You know, let's look at another team.
• 55:39
  Dallas Cowboys losing Leighton Randorash.
• 55:40
  Oh yeah, Leighton did play outside, didn't he?
• 55:44
  He did.
• 55:45
  And that's a 4-3 defense.
• 55:46
  Yeah.
• 55:47
  That's a thought I didn't think about.
• 55:49
  That would be interesting.
• 55:50
  And that'd be somebody that'd be willing to pick up whatever contract it may be.
• 55:54
  Absolutely.
• 55:55
  They're in window mode.
• 55:56
  I mean, it's, it's their Super Bowl or bust right now with how young their core is and
• 55:58
  they have to capitalize on it.
• 56:00
  So I could, and it's Jerry Jones.
• 56:01
  He's not afraid to make a move.
• 56:02
  That's what I mean.
• 56:03
  They're, they're willing to spend and their window, I would say is closing.
• 56:07
  They're in it right now.
• 56:08
  I think the Cowboys are good enough to make a run.
• 56:10
  Do I think they're good enough to beat the 49ers or the Eagles?
• 56:13
  I think that'd be a great game, but no.
• 56:17
  But I don't know.
• 56:18
  Yeah.
• 56:19
  I didn't think about the Cowboys' landing spot.
• 56:21
  Yeah, that's, it's interesting.
• 56:22
  I'm excited to see what he does with, with, you know, I hope he does rejuvenate his career
• 56:26
  and get back into his All-Pro form.
• 56:28
  Let's go to our last topic here for our tent talk.
• 56:32
  We have the Rogers watch.
• 56:35
  We have some new news.
• 56:37
  This motherfucker is jogging on.
• 56:39
  It's not a treadmill.
• 56:40
  It's that new age treadmill.
• 56:41
  I don't know what the hell they're called, but this guy is jogging, targeting to practice
• 56:46
  by his birthday, which is December 3rd.
• 56:49
  Allegedly.
• 56:50
  Flying fuck.
• 56:51
  Allegedly.
• 56:52
  I, oh my God.
• 56:55
  I mean, I don't, I don't even, an Achilles and you to come back that quick at a game
• 57:00
  that's so physical, dude.
• 57:02
  I mean, you have to know that you're good to go.
• 57:06
  I that's real tough, man.
• 57:09
  I mean, how long is the typical Achilles?
• 57:11
  Like, what was he slated?
• 57:12
  I know originally, right?
• 57:14
  Seasons over.
• 57:15
  Boom.
• 57:16
  That's it.
• 57:17
  And you don't see players.
• 57:18
  You look at the NBA.
• 57:19
  You don't see players come back same season.
• 57:20
  Remember Achilles?
• 57:21
  I know it was the first game.
• 57:22
  I know it was what?
• 57:23
  Eight, five minutes into the first game, eight seconds, something, some stupid quick place
• 57:27
  for plays into the season.
• 57:28
  Not even four plays.
• 57:29
  It was the first play.
• 57:31
  Was it really the first?
• 57:32
  The Jets first offensive position.
• 57:33
  Either way, first, first drive of the season.
• 57:36
  So I guess you could see how he could return.
• 57:39
  But is it worth it to the Jets to have that?
• 57:41
  That's a big thing.
• 57:42
  The the the quickest recovery from an Achilles in the NFL is Cam Akers when he toured in
• 57:47
  the with the Rams and ended up playing in the Super Bowl that same the year the Rams
• 57:51
  went to the Super Bowl.
• 57:52
  But that was his first game back was the Super Bowl.
• 57:54
  Yeah.
• 57:55
  See, there's all sorts of because there's a break.
• 57:57
  There's a two week break between the last game.
• 58:00
  Well, that's what I do.
• 58:01
  Whatever the fuck.
• 58:02
  Right.
• 58:03
  So to answer your initial question, jogging is a 12 week recovery.
• 58:08
  Like that's what it's supposed to be slated as is about 12 weeks, which is four months.
• 58:12
  Now you look at it.
• 58:13
  We're 11 weeks since that injury, 10 weeks since the injury.
• 58:17
  So he's but he's ahead of schedule.
• 58:18
  He's just slightly ahead of schedule.
• 58:20
  But OK, so then so then you do look at it if you're the Jets.
• 58:23
  Do you let him play if he says I'm good?
• 58:26
  Medical staff says he's good to go.
• 58:28
  Do you let him play to get more familiar with their offense and their players for now?
• 58:33
  For next season?
• 58:34
  Or do you just shut him down?
• 58:36
  100 percent.
• 58:37
  The same thing goes with like I had mentioned with Joey Bosa.
• 58:40
  It's to this one.
• 58:41
  It is 100 percent because this is Roger's mindset is when they are mathematically eliminated
• 58:47
  from the playoffs because last year when he got hurt last year and the Packers were still
• 58:51
  in it, he wouldn't have played week 17 against the Lions if they were mathematically eliminated.
• 58:55
  He would have given the reins and see what the young core had with Jordan Love.
• 58:59
  So I think the same thing applies here because the Jets are a quarterback away from being
• 59:03
  an elite team in the end.
• 59:04
  No, 100 percent.
• 59:05
  And we know that.
• 59:06
  And that's what they went and did.
• 59:08
  They got the guy to take them to the Super Bowl, in my opinion, 100 percent.
• 59:12
  I was super stoked, actually, to finally be able to watch Rogers not as a Packer and be
• 59:17
  like, yo, yes, he's elite without like.
• 59:21
  Wow, I was going to say something ridiculously inappropriate.
• 59:25
  I'm glad I didn't.
• 59:26
  Without like, I don't know.
• 59:29
  I don't know.
• 59:30
  It's just it was going to be nice to see him play at a high level for a different team
• 59:33
  straight up.
• 59:34
  And I figured that he would take the Jets to the Super Bowl because the offense is close.
• 59:38
  The defense is there, in my opinion.
• 59:41
  But I don't know.
• 59:42
  I'm with you, man.
• 59:43
  I wanted to see the Jets.
• 59:44
  I want to see Rogers win in our win in our Super Bowl just because of how the Packers
• 59:49
  treated him and their their inability or their unwillingness to put talent around him, especially
• 59:54
  on the offensive side of the ball.
• 59:55
  I was really happy to see him go somewhere where they showed they wanted them.
• 1:00:00
  They built the team around him.
• 1:00:02
  And I was really excited.
• 1:00:03
  You know, I mean, I have no I don't hold any gripe against Rogers for wanting out.
• 1:00:08
  I really don't.
• 1:00:11
  Enough about the play of week 11.
• 1:00:15
  We have one of my favorite segments, your bonehead move of the week brought to you by
• 1:00:20
  Smelty.
• 1:00:21
  Yeah.
• 1:00:22
  And I mean, this is this is going to be a guy that you probably don't expect to hear
• 1:00:25
  anymore, especially in bonehead move of the week.
• 1:00:27
  A lot of people are going to want to punch me in the face.
• 1:00:30
  And that is OK.
• 1:00:31
  You can't do it through the screen.
• 1:00:33
  So Tom Brady came out with an interesting interview or something.
• 1:00:37
  I don't know how this came about, whatever.
• 1:00:39
  There's a number of articles about it.
• 1:00:41
  Tom Brady pretty much came out and said that NFL play has a lot of mediocrity.
• 1:00:46
  And I think that's a bunch of bullshit straight up.
• 1:00:48
  I think the NFL is full of a lot of talented players.
• 1:00:52
  I don't think anybody's necessarily OK with being mediocre unless you're the L.A. Chargers.
• 1:00:58
  And I don't know.
• 1:00:59
  I just think that statement alone is a bunch of BS.
• 1:01:01
  Now, he said a bunch of other shit that we're going to talk about that I actually do agree
• 1:01:05
  with.
• 1:01:06
  But the NFL play, let's just talk about that first.
• 1:01:10
  NFL play has a lot of mediocrity.
• 1:01:14
  What is your opinion on that?
• 1:01:15
  Oh, I don't think we can just.
• 1:01:16
  It's very vague statement, right?
• 1:01:18
  Well, that's because he followed it up with his reasons.
• 1:01:20
  And his biggest reason or one of the biggest reasons, he said, was the lack of coaching.
• 1:01:25
  He said the coaching has gone down and the coaching is very mediocre.
• 1:01:28
  And that's going to be a relay to the play on the field.
• 1:01:32
  I don't know if I can disagree with him.
• 1:01:33
  You know, if I were to just blanket Lee here, the mediocrity of the NFL without hearing
• 1:01:37
  his reason behind it.
• 1:01:39
  And as he sat down, he had an interview with Stephen A. Smith, actually, is what it was.
• 1:01:42
  Is that what it was?
• 1:01:43
  OK, yeah.
• 1:01:44
  So I don't know if I can necessarily disagree with him.
• 1:01:47
  I mean, you look at quarterback play this year.
• 1:01:50
  There's a lot of quarterbacks hovering around that 50, 60 percent completion mark.
• 1:01:54
  There's a lot that are dead right now, too, for the season.
• 1:01:57
  A lot of quarterbacks, high end quarterbacks that are done for the season.
• 1:02:01
  Yeah.
• 1:02:02
  And that's also a part of what what Brady's pinpoint was, was he said that the development
• 1:02:05
  of players has hit an all.
• 1:02:07
  He didn't say an all time low, but he said that the coaches don't have that developmental
• 1:02:10
  play anymore.
• 1:02:11
  And I think the largest reason behind that is because these coaches are no longer head
• 1:02:15
  coaches.
• 1:02:16
  They're the play caller for offensive defense.
• 1:02:18
  So they have an agenda besides coaching the team.
• 1:02:20
  You look at one of the most successful coaches in the NFL right now, Mike Tomlin.
• 1:02:24
  He don't call offensive defense.
• 1:02:25
  He's the head coach of the football team and puts people in positions to make those calls.
• 1:02:29
  Now, he didn't make a great decision in Matt Canada, as we have learned as of late.
• 1:02:33
  But you look at and Brady's always going to like default this to Bill Belichick, as he
• 1:02:40
  should the greatest, the greatest coach of all time.
• 1:02:42
  You can make an argument, the greatest GM of all time.
• 1:02:45
  Right.
• 1:02:46
  And that's traditional football building of the players.
• 1:02:49
  They're not going to go out and sign that big name pre agent.
• 1:02:51
  Yeah, they did bring in the Randy Moss.
• 1:02:52
  They did bring in the Daryl Rivas for a couple of years, but they always drafted great and
• 1:02:57
  develop the players that they have.
• 1:02:58
  You don't really see that in the NFL much anymore.
• 1:03:01
  No, and you don't.
• 1:03:03
  As far as the development piece goes, you'll see it occasionally.
• 1:03:06
  Right.
• 1:03:07
  Like Patrick my homes, he was a nobody when he got drafted.
• 1:03:09
  Yes, he went to Texas Tech.
• 1:03:10
  Yes, people in the state of Texas knew who he was.
• 1:03:12
  The first round drive.
• 1:03:13
  But like not a nobody, but still he wasn't the top quarterback in the draft that year.
• 1:03:18
  Nobody was really talking about him becoming who he is now.
• 1:03:21
  He was an example of somebody that was developed in the NFL system.
• 1:03:26
  And to that point, who has been his head coach?
• 1:03:30
  One of the OG traditional old school coaches in Andy Reid.
• 1:03:33
  Now he has he has evolved with the game, but his foundational pieces, the foundation of
• 1:03:38
  his coaching hasn't changed.
• 1:03:40
  He just evolved with the offensive prowess.
• 1:03:41
  OK, so let's take a look at Jalen Hurts, then.
• 1:03:45
  Does he is he just a baller?
• 1:03:47
  He just came in and he's a baller and like he doesn't he didn't necessarily he's developing.
• 1:03:51
  Obviously, you see it every week.
• 1:03:54
  But did he just come in and you know, he was just a player right out of the gate, like
• 1:03:59
  he didn't necessarily need the development or that that big time coach to develop him
• 1:04:04
  because that his coaches are necessarily an old school coach like like Andy Reid.
• 1:04:08
  Right.
• 1:04:09
  I would disagree.
• 1:04:10
  He's a new age coach, but he has the old school mentality and the old school mindset behind
• 1:04:14
  it.
• 1:04:15
  Yeah, because he preaches that dog mentality.
• 1:04:17
  You know, it's you can go on and on about that.
• 1:04:19
  He builds his team in the trenches.
• 1:04:21
  How many teams are building in the trenches nowadays?
• 1:04:23
  Well, right.
• 1:04:24
  And that's exactly where you need to start.
• 1:04:26
  That's where games are won or lost is straight up in the trenches.
• 1:04:29
  We all know that.
• 1:04:30
  OK, so let's look at other quarterbacks that were projected to be stars to a needed Mike
• 1:04:36
  McDaniels before he could really do anything.
• 1:04:38
  Trevor Lawrence hasn't shown greatness.
• 1:04:40
  He was expected to be the next big thing.
• 1:04:42
  He was a straight up bust his first year.
• 1:04:44
  However, he let's let's however, since Urban Meyer left, let's put the he was he was a
• 1:04:51
  straight up fucking bust his first year.
• 1:04:54
  But since then, he started finally taking those steps.
• 1:04:57
  Now it took him.
• 1:04:58
  What is this year for?
• 1:04:59
  I think three.
• 1:05:00
  It took him till now to finally look decent.
• 1:05:03
  And now he's still losing big games.
• 1:05:05
  And that's a whole nother conversation.
• 1:05:07
  So let's let's keep going around those young, those young stud quarterbacks that were coming
• 1:05:11
  out.
• 1:05:12
  Justin Herbert is a stud.
• 1:05:13
  He doesn't have it.
• 1:05:14
  He doesn't have that foundation.
• 1:05:15
  He needs a coach.
• 1:05:16
  No, he needs a coach.
• 1:05:17
  Staley is a good example.
• 1:05:19
  Staley, I believe it's how it's said.
• 1:05:20
  He's a perfect example of like a new age coach that's not going to fucking work.
• 1:05:26
  And and not to talk about the Vikings again, but like I like KOC, but I'm still determining
• 1:05:31
  like he's definitely a players coach.
• 1:05:33
  Right.
• 1:05:34
  So is he more of a player manager than a coach?
• 1:05:37
  Because those are two different things to me.
• 1:05:41
  You know, you're you almost seem like you have to babysit guys now.
• 1:05:45
  So let's look at the top tier teams in the NFL.
• 1:05:47
  Let's start with the Eagles because they're, in my opinion, the best team in the NFL.
• 1:05:50
  Sirianni is not a play caller.
• 1:05:51
  Jonathan Gannon was running the defense last year.
• 1:05:54
  Shane Steichen was running the offense, got the head coaching gig at the Colts.
• 1:05:58
  Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid is the play caller.
• 1:06:00
  The Ravens.
• 1:06:01
  Don Harrow ain't calling offensive or defensive plays.
• 1:06:05
  San Fran.
• 1:06:06
  Yes, Kyle Shanahan is the play caller, but I think San Fran is more a product of Shanahan
• 1:06:10
  system than any quarterback that's going to play for him.
• 1:06:13
  They don't need an elite quarterback to be successful.
• 1:06:15
  And then, you know, the other top tier teams.
• 1:06:17
  I mean, do we really have any more top tier teams?
• 1:06:21
  You know, like top tier, but who else?
• 1:06:23
  Who else are you going to mention?
• 1:06:24
  Yeah, I mean, the Cowboys.
• 1:06:26
  McCarthy's back, calling plays this year with Kellen Moore leaving.
• 1:06:30
  And it's just I back to the Brady point.
• 1:06:33
  Do I think that the talent in the NFL is mediocre?
• 1:06:36
  No.
• 1:06:37
  And that's not necessarily what he was saying, I guess.
• 1:06:39
  Maybe I made it portrayed it that way.
• 1:06:41
  But the play like I just I don't think it's got meteorocity written on it.
• 1:06:46
  I don't.
• 1:06:47
  But I again, some of the shit he ends up saying, I do agree with, which I'll touch on.
• 1:06:51
  But yeah, and I think that's the foundation of it is like, why is he saying that?
• 1:06:55
  And the points he made after that make all of the sense in the world.
• 1:06:59
  So so again, he says he ends up stating that like college teams are just teams right now.
• 1:07:05
  They're not programs like they were.
• 1:07:07
  So they're not getting teams or players as ready for the NFL as they were before.
• 1:07:11
  Now, there's still a couple that are definitely programs, pretty much the entire SEC college.
• 1:07:17
  Football as a whole is an absolute business since the NIL became a thing at the transfer
• 1:07:21
  portal like you.
• 1:07:22
  I don't think college football will ever be the same because of not only NIL, but because
• 1:07:26
  of the transfer port.
• 1:07:28
  Both of those are massive factors in that it's hard to create some sort of program continuing.
• 1:07:35
  I'm not even going to say the word, but it's hard to make create a program when when your
• 1:07:41
  top guy could just be like, you know what?
• 1:07:42
  I'm not feeling it.
• 1:07:43
  I'm out.
• 1:07:44
  I'm going to UCLA or whatever.
• 1:07:46
  You know, that's the thing.
• 1:07:47
  You get a quarterback that's a five star recruit who needs to sit one year because they have
• 1:07:50
  a senior quarterback who can't who's led the team to success the last two, three years
• 1:07:53
  and doesn't want to sit because they know they can go to somewhere else and be the quarterback
• 1:07:57
  then or that they might not have the best success.
• 1:08:00
  But it's and to me, that's the biggest issue in terms of like the play.
• 1:08:04
  It's the the the personalities of where the world is with the social media aspect of it.
• 1:08:10
  If one player if a player gets unhappy one time goes on a Twitter rant, says whatever,
• 1:08:14
  you look at Najee Harris and his post in his interview after the Steelers game, you know,
• 1:08:18
  like that's the kind of shit you didn't see 10, 15 years ago when Brady was playing and
• 1:08:22
  where he's coming from.
• 1:08:24
  And it's just like the whining aspect of it.
• 1:08:27
  It's are you fully committed to your team in the game of football trying to be the best
• 1:08:30
  that you can be at your craft?
• 1:08:32
  No.
• 1:08:33
  And Brady's sorry, I didn't want to cut you off.
• 1:08:36
  But Brady also played for Bill Belichick where that wasn't allowed or not a thing.
• 1:08:39
  So he'd never seen that goes down to Tampa plays under Bruce Arians.
• 1:08:43
  Not allowed.
• 1:08:44
  It's not a thing.
• 1:08:45
  Well, and it's funny you bring up social media because I think that's a massive factor in
• 1:08:50
  everything that Brady's saying.
• 1:08:52
  I think there are still absolutely guys over the years that had similar mentalities as
• 1:08:57
  these guys.
• 1:08:58
  100 percent.
• 1:08:59
  It just wasn't being captured because there was no social media.
• 1:09:02
  There wasn't fucking 30 cameras at a football game.
• 1:09:06
  You know what I mean?
• 1:09:07
  It just didn't exist.
• 1:09:08
  So I think a lot of this stuff is being captured now.
• 1:09:11
  And then, you know, it just explodes every week.
• 1:09:15
  There's a new story of whatever.
• 1:09:16
  Hence Bonehead move of the week.
• 1:09:18
  But I get what Brady's saying.
• 1:09:22
  I do.
• 1:09:23
  I just think that the play as a whole is still at a high level.
• 1:09:28
  But as far as like his explaining of it, I get it.
• 1:09:32
  And again, I did look at what he said and explained.
• 1:09:34
  I didn't just pull this out of my ass.
• 1:09:37
  And there is one quote that goes along with that coaching, right?
• 1:09:40
  He said, quote, You hear coaches complaining about their own player being tackled and not
• 1:09:44
  necessarily why don't they talk to their players about how to protect themselves?
• 1:09:49
  That that statement, I 100 percent agree with 100 percent that that one hit home as well
• 1:09:55
  as he's saying with the way that the football rules have changed in terms of defenseless
• 1:10:00
  or receiver, where if he played and he literally said this, where if he played against Ray
• 1:10:03
  Lewis, he would not throw the ball over the way.
• 1:10:06
  Lewis, Ronnie Lott, some some other guys play against Ronnie Lott.
• 1:10:09
  But it was Ray Lewis.
• 1:10:10
  I thought I didn't know it was just guys he played against on that.
• 1:10:13
  But I know, I know.
• 1:10:14
  So what he was saying, though, is like he said when he played against Ray Lewis, he
• 1:10:18
  didn't throw the ball over the middle because he knew Ray Lewis would tear the head off
• 1:10:22
  of his receiver and he couldn't afford to lose one of his receivers.
• 1:10:25
  So you don't got to worry about that anymore unless you're playing Kareem Jackson.
• 1:10:28
  Oh, Rodney Harrison, my bad.
• 1:10:30
  And he did actually he did actually mention Ronnie Lott, my bad.
• 1:10:33
  He did mention he mentioned Ronnie Lott.
• 1:10:34
  He just like what the quote I was meaning was he was specifically saying that when he
• 1:10:38
  was speaking of those, he was saying that that's that old school football that they'll
• 1:10:41
  take you out.
• 1:10:42
  And then he spoke specifically about not throwing the ball over the middle against Ray Lewis
• 1:10:48
  because he didn't want to put his receiver in a position where he's going to get hurt.
• 1:10:52
  So I actually I listened to I watched the Rodgers on McAfee today and then Rodgers actually
• 1:10:57
  talked about it after.
• 1:10:58
  And he almost wholeheartedly agreed with Brady, where he was just like, you know, when he
• 1:11:03
  first started playing the football and he actually compared it against the Lions between
• 1:11:07
  like 08 to 2014, where the Lions never really had a great defense, but he knew that he was
• 1:11:12
  going to get his ass beat every single game.
• 1:11:15
  And if you look at one of those rule changes, Rodgers is the cause of one of those rule
• 1:11:19
  changes when Anthony Bar sack them and came down on him and broke his collarbone.
• 1:11:22
  Yeah, Rodgers and Rodgers immediately said after that, that that was not a dirty hit.
• 1:11:27
  It was Rodgers fault for holding onto the ball too long and not being able to brace
• 1:11:30
  himself for the fall.
• 1:11:32
  Sure, sure.
• 1:11:33
  Well, and that's just it.
• 1:11:34
  Like and then Brady also mentioned every like Ray Lewis hit would have been a penalty.
• 1:11:38
  You know what I mean?
• 1:11:39
  So that's what he said.
• 1:11:40
  And then he brought up Ronnie lot, Ronnie Harrison, Ray Lewis.
• 1:11:42
  And he said every single tackle they made would be a fine on a penalty in the NFL nowadays.
• 1:11:46
  And that is so and that and that part.
• 1:11:48
  I agree with him 100 percent.
• 1:11:50
  And that sucks because it has changed the game.
• 1:11:52
  It changes how NFL players play the game.
• 1:11:55
  It changes how coaches coach the game because they have to change.
• 1:11:59
  You have to change with the rules.
• 1:12:02
  And you know, he's just pointing that out.
• 1:12:04
  And I get it.
• 1:12:05
  I do.
• 1:12:06
  But I think the play is still a high level.
• 1:12:08
  I think it's still at a high level, like because it is the highest of the high levels that
• 1:12:12
  you can just get.
• 1:12:13
  I just don't like meteorocity being thrown around with the level of play with the NFL.
• 1:12:18
  I don't because like I mean, that's the highest you can possibly do it.
• 1:12:21
  Has the game changed since he's played?
• 1:12:23
  Yes, of course.
• 1:12:24
  Right.
• 1:12:25
  He's one of the reasons for a rule change to isn't either reason for quarterbacks not
• 1:12:29
  being sacked underneath the knee or whatever, which I totally think that's a good thing.
• 1:12:33
  What Joe Theismann broke his leg, Alex Smith, all that shit.
• 1:12:36
  Yeah, see that that to me, that rule like you eliminate.
• 1:12:39
  I don't think you should go in and dive at a quarterback's knees.
• 1:12:44
  But if you're pushed down by the offensive lineman and you have to wrap up, you can only
• 1:12:47
  wrap up around the knees.
• 1:12:49
  That's not so much you can do.
• 1:12:50
  That's not a penalty.
• 1:12:51
  That's playing the game.
• 1:12:52
  But it's like someone coming in and just diving straight at your knees like that.
• 1:12:56
  That's that's not I don't agree with that.
• 1:12:58
  And that's what you're seeing more of in the secondary now, which I believe is going to
• 1:13:01
  lead to a lot more soft tissue injuries.
• 1:13:03
  And it's just and and I don't have a fix.
• 1:13:07
  You know, I'm not going to say go back to the old days and let these guys head hunt
• 1:13:09
  because we have to protect the players to a certain degree.
• 1:13:12
  And that's the thing.
• 1:13:14
  It's like there's so much debate and conversation about this area.
• 1:13:18
  But there's just there's no there's no right answer, in my opinion.
• 1:13:21
  You know, there's always going to be something that that should be allowed.
• 1:13:24
  Shouldn't be allowed.
• 1:13:25
  Do I think that they are protecting the players too much at this point?
• 1:13:29
  I do.
• 1:13:30
  You're taking out a lot of the physicality of football.
• 1:13:32
  One of my favorite things to do is put on an array or a Ray Lewis highlight tape and
• 1:13:38
  watch them just fucking demolish people over the middle.
• 1:13:40
  Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:41
  No, he was nasty for sure.
• 1:13:42
  I mean, like like Brady said, all those hits would probably be penalties nowadays.
• 1:13:46
  All the blind side stuff would be a penalty nowadays.
• 1:13:49
  So again, the blind side stuff I can get behind, too, because like a lot of times, I had a
• 1:13:54
  blind side hit that like you could really mess somebody up.
• 1:13:57
  That's what I'm saying.
• 1:13:58
  I'm OK with taking that out of the league, especially because you were seeing it where
• 1:14:01
  players were just being dirty, a player is not even in contention to make his name.
• 1:14:04
  You're taking out Berset, Berfet, Vontez, Berfet.
• 1:14:08
  Yeah, dude, he was one of the best at that.
• 1:14:10
  But I'm not going to lie, though, with that whole thing happened when Juju fucking nailed
• 1:14:14
  him and stood over it.
• 1:14:15
  Oh, dude, I love that.
• 1:14:16
  So proud.
• 1:14:17
  I love that.
• 1:14:18
  I know.
• 1:14:19
  Did you get suspended for that?
• 1:14:20
  I can't remember.
• 1:14:21
  I'm sure he played a game or something.
• 1:14:22
  But I love that.
• 1:14:23
  You have to guarantee you have that.
• 1:14:24
  I felt most of it.
• 1:14:25
  I felt love that shit.
• 1:14:26
  Oh, yeah, dude.
• 1:14:28
  That made me so happy.
• 1:14:29
  But again, as a whole, not like the biggest bonehead play of the week.
• 1:14:33
  But I thought it was definitely worth talking about.
• 1:14:35
  And we could probably still talk about it.
• 1:14:37
  Yeah, most certainly.
• 1:14:38
  We could do a whole episode on just just that itself.
• 1:14:40
  But let's move on to the week 12 slate.
• 1:14:43
  We're going to start this week off being a holiday week.
• 1:14:45
  We have Thanksgiving quickly approaching the Packers and the Lions.
• 1:14:50
  Lions are always going to plan Thanksgiving.
• 1:14:52
  Packers tend to usually are one of those games that they do play or one of those teams that
• 1:14:56
  they do play.
• 1:14:57
  We have the Lions favored by seven in this game.
• 1:15:01
  I'll start us off and I think the Packers are going to cover that seven.
• 1:15:03
  I think the Lions win this game.
• 1:15:05
  But the power I've seen in the Packers offense the last two weeks, I don't know if it's replicable.
• 1:15:09
  I don't know if they can continue it, but they have shown they can at least for one
• 1:15:12
  week.
• 1:15:13
  And the Packers defense is playing pretty damn good right now.
• 1:15:16
  So I I'm scared shitless to see what Jamar Gibbs Gibbs and David Montgomery are going
• 1:15:21
  to do.
• 1:15:22
  But I think the Packers are going to keep this one close.
• 1:15:24
  And I think this this should be more of a three to five point spread.
• 1:15:28
  Yeah, I have the Lions winning and the Packers not covering that straight up.
• 1:15:33
  I think the Lions win by two, three scores.
• 1:15:36
  I think I don't think it's going to be close.
• 1:15:38
  It's in Detroit, right?
• 1:15:39
  Is it always in Detroit?
• 1:15:40
  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:43
  So I dude.
• 1:15:44
  No, no way.
• 1:15:45
  Lions all day.
• 1:15:47
  Best running back to win the league.
• 1:15:49
  We've talked about it before.
• 1:15:51
  Jared Goff is money right now.
• 1:15:53
  Yeah, Lions take that for sure.
• 1:15:57
  We will agree to disagree on that one.
• 1:15:59
  That's all we do.
• 1:16:00
  That's all we do.
• 1:16:01
  That makes it interesting.
• 1:16:03
  So your Vikings are hosting the Chicago Bears on Monday night football.
• 1:16:07
  Vikings are a three point favorite in that one.
• 1:16:08
  What do you got?
• 1:16:09
  Yeah, I mean, I'll be at that game, so I'll probably get sub in the game at QB and I'm
• 1:16:13
  going to lead us to a victory.
• 1:16:15
  I say the Vikings take the dub.
• 1:16:18
  Maybe I give a little halftime update or something like, hey, yeah.
• 1:16:22
  And we suck real bad and, you know, see what happens next week.
• 1:16:27
  I'm in agreement with you.
• 1:16:28
  The Bears are just a just terrible football team at this point.
• 1:16:31
  So I don't see them being able to really do much.
• 1:16:34
  And I think Josh Dobbs is going to bounce back.
• 1:16:36
  Now it's the week to do it because the Bears defense is shredded cheese.
• 1:16:39
  But I think I'm agree with you.
• 1:16:40
  I think the Vikings are going to cover that three points, especially at home on Monday
• 1:16:43
  night.
• 1:16:44
  It's going to be rocking.
• 1:16:45
  It is.
• 1:16:46
  It is.
• 1:16:47
  So that leads us to an NFC West face off here.
• 1:16:50
  We have the San Francisco 49ers traveling up to Seattle, taking on the Seahawks.
• 1:16:55
  The Seahawks are a seven point underdog in this game, and it is the first game we are
• 1:17:00
  ever having on Black Friday.
• 1:17:03
  First game ever?
• 1:17:04
  First game ever on Black Friday.
• 1:17:05
  Is this like a weird Amazon Prime game too?
• 1:17:07
  It is.
• 1:17:08
  Of course.
• 1:17:09
  Of course it is.
• 1:17:12
  I don't know why that geeked me out so bad.
• 1:17:15
  Yeah, I think the 49ers are too much right now.
• 1:17:18
  I think they've started to find their stride.
• 1:17:20
  Do the Seahawks cover?
• 1:17:24
  Yeah.
• 1:17:25
  Yeah.
• 1:17:26
  I think it's close.
• 1:17:29
  I'm with you.
• 1:17:30
  I don't think this is going to be a close game.
• 1:17:31
  What I saw of the 49ers last week, Brock Purdy having a perfect passer rating.
• 1:17:34
  I mean, they played the Bucks.
• 1:17:36
  They're not a great team by any way, shape or form, but I think the 49ers are back and
• 1:17:40
  the Seahawks with Gino being banged up with Kenneth Walker might not be able to go.
• 1:17:45
  True.
• 1:17:46
  I just don't see 49ers not winning this game by seven.
• 1:17:50
  CMC is healthy, right?
• 1:17:51
  CMC is healthy.
• 1:17:52
  Deebo healthy?
• 1:17:53
  Deebo's back.
• 1:17:54
  Oh dude.
• 1:17:55
  Yeah, they're going to dog walk the Seahawks.
• 1:17:57
  Is it in Seattle?
• 1:17:58
  I want to change your pick.
• 1:17:59
  It's in Seattle.
• 1:18:00
  Yeah, let me change it.
• 1:18:01
  I think Niners just straight up whooped their ass.
• 1:18:04
  Yeah, I don't see this game being close to be honest with you.
• 1:18:07
  It's the defense for me.
• 1:18:08
  Seriously, every week for the Niners, it's the defense for me that makes a difference.
• 1:18:12
  We know Purdy's good enough to win games, but I think it's that defense that truly will
• 1:18:17
  make the difference.
• 1:18:18
  Well, we're in agreement on that one.
• 1:18:20
  Next we have our game of the week.
• 1:18:22
  The Buffalo Bills traveling to the city of brotherly love, taking on the Eagles.
• 1:18:28
  Eagles are a three point favorite in this game.
• 1:18:30
  What are your thoughts, brother?
• 1:18:31
  I know where I'm going.
• 1:18:32
  I'm going Eagles.
• 1:18:34
  It's yeah, I mean, it's not even close here either.
• 1:18:37
  Honestly, the Bills seem to be sputtering hard right now and they cannot seem to figure
• 1:18:41
  it out.
• 1:18:42
  I think the and we just saw what the Eagles defense did in the second half in that KC
• 1:18:46
  game.
• 1:18:47
  I think if that defense shows up from the start of the game, it's a wrap.
• 1:18:51
  I'm going to disagree with you on this one.
• 1:18:52
  I think the Bills came out last week.
• 1:18:53
  They look good.
• 1:18:54
  That offense looked like they was rejuvenated.
• 1:18:57
  You know, they didn't play a top tier team by any way, shape or form, but they just look
• 1:19:03
  like they might have had it back.
• 1:19:04
  I mean, they dog walk the Jets.
• 1:19:06
  The Jets are a shit show, but I like what I saw out of the Bills last week.
• 1:19:10
  I'm still not 100 percent sold on the Eagles.
• 1:19:12
  I want to see a little bit more against another good team.
• 1:19:15
  And I think the Bills, they might not win this game.
• 1:19:17
  I like the three point spread.
• 1:19:19
  I think that's pretty fair.
• 1:19:20
  But I see this as a, you know, one or two point game with the Bills either coming out
• 1:19:24
  on top or covering that spread.
• 1:19:27
  So at least we have two games we disagree on so far.
• 1:19:30
  We're going to finish up this slate with an AFC South battle.
• 1:19:33
  The Jacksonville Jaguars taking on the rejuvenated CJ Stroud led Houston Texans.
• 1:19:39
  Jaguars go down as only a one and a half point favorite.
• 1:19:42
  That's a little bit closer than I expected on this game, a little bit too close for my
• 1:19:45
  liking.
• 1:19:46
  But I'm going to start us off here and I think the Texans are going to win this game.
• 1:19:49
  I don't even need the one and a half points.
• 1:19:51
  I would go Texans money line on this one.
• 1:19:53
  Yeah, I mean, this game is almost game of the week for me, to be honest, like game of
• 1:19:57
  the week, plan B, you know what I mean?
• 1:20:00
  But the Jaguars have to win this game.
• 1:20:02
  If they mean with the AFC North Slate coming up, they have to win this game.
• 1:20:06
  But I'm agreeing with you.
• 1:20:08
  I don't think they do.
• 1:20:09
  I think the CJ Stroud is too hot right now.
• 1:20:12
  I think the Texans could win by almost two scores straight up.
• 1:20:18
  I think the Texans, I think are they in a playoff spot right now in the wild card?
• 1:20:22
  No, I know they're outside looking in, though.
• 1:20:24
  They're in quote unquote in the hunt.
• 1:20:26
  I think they can actually make a play for a playoff spot.
• 1:20:29
  And I'm sorry, the Texans are.
• 1:20:30
  They're currently the sixth seed.
• 1:20:32
  Are they?
• 1:20:33
  Are they?
• 1:20:34
  OK, and this is in Houston, right?
• 1:20:36
  This is in Houston.
• 1:20:37
  Oh, they're going to come alive there.
• 1:20:38
  This is a game they have to win.
• 1:20:40
  Both teams need this game bad.
• 1:20:42
  That's going to be a good game.
• 1:20:43
  But I think Texans take it.
• 1:20:44
  I agree with you, man.
• 1:20:46
  Like I said, I mean, I don't need the money on this one.
• 1:20:48
  I don't need to spread on this one.
• 1:20:49
  I think the Texans win this game.
• 1:20:50
  CJ Stroud is playing absolutely unbelievable right now.
• 1:20:53
  Tank Dell is coming on super strong.
• 1:20:56
  Nico Collins been a little bit banged up.
• 1:20:57
  Hadn't really done what he did the first half of the year.
• 1:20:59
  But I'm not sold on this Jaguars team.
• 1:21:02
  I'm really not.
• 1:21:03
  I'm telling you, they need this game.
• 1:21:04
  They do.
• 1:21:05
  They play Texans and then the Titans and then it's the gauntlet of the AFC North right now.
• 1:21:11
  So they really have to prove it to themselves.
• 1:21:12
  They really need to win these next two games before they even get to those three.
• 1:21:17
  Yeah, man.
• 1:21:18
  It's Texans, Bengals, Browns, Ravens.
• 1:21:20
  Now Bengals, Browns, a little bit different landscape now that the quarterbacks are out.
• 1:21:24
  But again, this is a must win game then.
• 1:21:25
  It is.
• 1:21:26
  It is.
• 1:21:27
  I mean, even if you look at so the Jaguars won the first game earlier this year in week
• 1:21:31
  two.
• 1:21:33
  But this is going to in my opinion, this is going to show how the AFC South is going to
• 1:21:36
  go this year.
• 1:21:37
  If the Texans win this game without looking at divisional records, without digging too
• 1:21:41
  deep, they're going to have be tied for the lead in that first in first in the AFC South.
• 1:21:46
  Even not just this season.
• 1:21:48
  I think this is a preview of the AFC South looking at the future.
• 1:21:52
  The only thing I would add to that is the Colts with Anthony Richardson coming back
• 1:21:56
  next year.
• 1:21:57
  No, AFC South as a whole, I think is actually getting way better.
• 1:22:00
  The future is bright.
• 1:22:01
  I think it could be interesting.
• 1:22:02
  The future is bright.
• 1:22:03
  If you look at who's dominated that division the last five years, the Tennessee Titans,
• 1:22:06
  they're dog shit.
• 1:22:07
  Yeah.
• 1:22:08
  No, it's up for grabs now.
• 1:22:09
  Yeah.
• 1:22:10
  Well, that's the whole that's the week 12 slate we have for you guys.
• 1:22:13
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• 1:22:18
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• 1:22:22
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• 1:22:24
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• 1:22:25
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• 1:22:28
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• 1:22:32
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