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Welcome to the Saturday Show! | Political Capital Daily · Political Capital with Rob Shaw

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  Speaker 1: Political Capital Daily. Well, well, well, well. So we meet
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  Speaker 1: election campaign. That means getting up bright and early Saturday
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  Speaker 1: morning to help record the show. Jeff Ferrier from Political
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  Speaker 1: Capital Prime is here. Jeff, how are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm well and apologies to folks who are going to
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  Speaker 2: hear me twice this weekend because I know that you also...
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  Speaker 2: all subscribe to the Political Capital Prime podcast.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot of political capital.
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  Speaker 2: So much.
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  Speaker 1: The cup runneth over. People don't know this also, but
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  Speaker 1: it's 5 a.m. on a Saturday, and it happens to
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  Speaker 1: be a day of celebration for you, for yourself. Hang on.
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  Speaker 1: Hang on just one second.
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  Speaker 2: One, two, three, four.
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  Speaker 1: Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday, Bernstein.
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  Speaker 2: Happy birthday to you. Go to hell, you old bastard.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I think they liked us.
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  Speaker 2: Have the Rolling Stones killed? Oh, sir, those aren't... Do
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  Speaker 2: as I say.
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  Speaker 1: That was the first thing I thought. Ah, what are
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  Speaker 1: you going to do? But thanks for doing the show
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  Speaker 1: on your birthday.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for remembering. I got to tell folks, the longtime
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  Speaker 2: viewers and listeners of this podcast will know that when
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  Speaker 2: I first started on Political Capital 18 years ago, I
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  Speaker 2: would do the show in front of a painting of
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  Speaker 2: the Pacific Central train station in Vancouver. And then I
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  Speaker 2: left the place that I was working at, and there
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  Speaker 2: became a struggle between me and that place for custody
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  Speaker 2: of the painting. And The former workplace won. And then early, early, early,
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  Speaker 2: early this morning, someone showed up at the door of
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  Speaker 2: my house with this painting, which is now above my desk.
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  Speaker 2: And what a birthday gift it is. Birthday miracle.
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  Speaker 1: Birthday miracle. We have to thank our friends at Burson
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  Speaker 1: for that as well, for coming through on that. So
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  Speaker 1: everyone happy on that. And, you know, I remember those
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  Speaker 1: early days of political capital. I'd get these emails saying,
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  Speaker 1: love that painting behind Jeff on the show. We turned
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  Speaker 1: the volume off and just watched the painting. So it was, uh,
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  Speaker 1: it was really illuminating as to the viewer preferences at
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  Speaker 1: the time.
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  Speaker 2: Don't read the comments. I know what they say.
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  Speaker 1: Never read the comments. Uh, and never take yourself too
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  Speaker 1: seriously in this profession. Cause if you do read them, whoo, man,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't realize that I was so monstrously ugly, but nonetheless.
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  Speaker 2: And with my, my favorite one. Yeah. My favorite one
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  Speaker 2: from last week was, uh, Jeff is a master at
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  Speaker 2: pivoting from the question to what he wants to say.
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  Speaker 2: Too bad that he doesn't have anything to say. That's
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  Speaker 2: a good one.
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  Speaker 1: That's not bad. I like the one that said, really
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  Speaker 1: like Rob Shaw's Hitler Youth haircut, which was, wait a second.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, you can say a lot of bad
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  Speaker 1: things about me, but when you come for the hair,
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  Speaker 1: you best not miss. You better land that one. So
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  Speaker 1: they didn't, but that was not bad. Anywho, Saturday on
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  Speaker 1: the campaign trail brings about different things. We're not really
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  Speaker 1: going to focus so much on that as we are.
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  Speaker 1: Just going to chat about the week that just occurred.
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  Speaker 1: There's a couple things we can highlight too. We'll start
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  Speaker 1: with one. We'll have a break and then we'll come
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  Speaker 1: back with another. But there was a grocery cap from
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  Speaker 1: the Premier on Friday. A very interesting announcement, Jeff. We
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  Speaker 1: talked about taking eggs and bread and dairy and things
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  Speaker 1: and basically capping the markup. that a grocery store can
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  Speaker 1: use on how it goes about raising the costs on
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  Speaker 1: things as a fixed cent per unit retail markup maximum, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and a rule that they can't pass it back through
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  Speaker 1: some other way, like suddenly charging you an extra dollar
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  Speaker 1: for the carton that the eggs come in, uh, at
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  Speaker 1: the store. That's the premier's announcement. Uh, what'd you think
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  Speaker 1: of that?
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  Speaker 2: Zap your cat. That's what the premier said. Um, Cost
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  Speaker 2: of living is the story of the campaign. As much
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  Speaker 2: as we talk about Trump or DRIPA, folks at home
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  Speaker 2: are concerned about whether they can afford to live. And
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  Speaker 2: gas prices and groceries are two of the most immediate
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  Speaker 2: in your face things that are making your life more expensive.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it was pretty gutsy for the premier
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  Speaker 2: to do this announcement. He's inviting people. criticism from the
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  Speaker 2: opposition about his grocery rebate from the last campaign. But again,
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  Speaker 2: it's a pocketbook issue aimed at swing voters in the
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  Speaker 2: suburbs and might command people's interest and get them to
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  Speaker 2: think twice about voting for the other party.
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  Speaker 1: I think there's other places, Manitoba perhaps it does something
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  Speaker 1: similar to that, I had noticed the Canadian chain that
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  Speaker 1: the Premier stood in front of, Savon Foods, which happened
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  Speaker 1: to be the same chain he stood in front of
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  Speaker 1: last year on launching his BuyBC program to support local
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  Speaker 1: grocery stores and then stood outside of it today saying,
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  Speaker 1: he used some language, Jeff, that I found interesting because
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  Speaker 1: the last time I heard language about billionaire corporate owners
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  Speaker 1: gouging people, I had heard it at the grocery store.
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  Speaker 1: I had heard it from the federal NDP. which used
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  Speaker 1: to use that sort of language and the BC greens,
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  Speaker 1: this kind of like, you know, the oligarchs at the
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  Speaker 1: grocery store, like the Weston family and the Jimmy Patterson family,
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  Speaker 1: or start gouging you and walking away with millions and
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  Speaker 1: billions of dollars on your back. And I, the language
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard the premier, uh, or the BC NDP
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  Speaker 1: ever use that language to that. What did, what did
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  Speaker 1: you think of that? And what does it mean when they,
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  Speaker 1: they start using language like that? Do you think like
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  Speaker 1: in terms of strategy or what they must be hearing
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  Speaker 1: or what they're trying to convey?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they're trying to do a few things. They're trying
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  Speaker 2: to reach out to potential green voters who, as you note,
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  Speaker 2: are drawn to the party in large part because of
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  Speaker 2: Emily Lowen's anti-corporate message and platform. I think it's also
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  Speaker 2: about looking to the core left voters in the NDP
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  Speaker 2: itself and looking to get them something that will motivate
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  Speaker 2: them to get out and vote. The early election call
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  Speaker 2: has left a bad taste in many people's mouths. So,
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  Speaker 2: you know, talking this way about groceries and oil and
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  Speaker 2: gas companies is something that is a good get-out-the-vote strategy
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  Speaker 2: for the NTP.
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  Speaker 1: If I was him, and no one asked my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: although I guess you're stuck with it because you're listening
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  Speaker 1: to the show, people, I would have stood outside Walmart
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  Speaker 1: or something, like a more easily identifiable identifiable kind of
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  Speaker 1: quote unquote evil, you know, uh, global, uh, gouger phenomenon.
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  Speaker 1: Although I guess, you know, um, if you're going to
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  Speaker 1: get the cheapest possible groceries, you're probably going to Walmart,
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  Speaker 1: but nonetheless, like instead of save on foods, I just
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  Speaker 1: kind of thought the shot at Jimmy Patterson was a
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  Speaker 1: little gratuitous given the Jimmy Pat, the idea of buying
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  Speaker 1: Canadian allows Canadian stores to make money that they then
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  Speaker 1: reinvest in their community, like Jimmy Patterson donating, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: billions of dollars to hospitals and, went on around the province,
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  Speaker 1: 75 million to St. Paul's. I don't get, I don't
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  Speaker 1: get the punching of the Canadian owners, but I, I,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of thought he would have stood in front
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  Speaker 1: of like Costco or something and been like, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: can get a dollar 30 hot dog here, but you're
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  Speaker 1: killing the world people, but they are.
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  Speaker 2: Delicious hot dogs. Those hot dogs are really good. That's right.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that would, that's not a vote getter to go
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  Speaker 1: after the hot dogs.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think. I know. Yeah. No, there was a
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  Speaker 2: study done recently. of looking at which Canadian grocery stores
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  Speaker 2: are the most expensive. And number one was an Eastern
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  Speaker 2: Canadian one. Sobeys, but number two was save on foods.
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  Speaker 2: Number two was save on foods. And so I think
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  Speaker 2: maybe it's a, it's a message to folks who shop
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  Speaker 2: at save on foods, who feel especially, uh, ripped off. If, um, uh,
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  Speaker 2: if I were being gratuitous, I would say that if
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  Speaker 2: Jimmy Patterson, who is part of, uh, Grocery companies who
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  Speaker 2: increased their wealth by $ 4. 4 billion last year alone, that
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  Speaker 2: if he can afford that money for hospitals and gets
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  Speaker 2: his name on it, that maybe, maybe I don't know
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  Speaker 2: he could pay more taxes and then we just have
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  Speaker 2: the money money can just go into go into health care.
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  Speaker 1: Should tax the rich that would be the next NDP
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  Speaker 1: announcement is go after the rich kind of like the
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  Speaker 1: greens but I live in a community where Thrifty Foods
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  Speaker 1: which is owned by Sobeys is one grocer and Save
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  Speaker 1: on Foods is the other grocer and And then Red Barn,
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  Speaker 1: where the owner of Red Barn used to be the owner,
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  Speaker 1: is running for the federal conservatives. Was a federal conservative
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  Speaker 1: and is now running for the BC conservatives in the election.
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  Speaker 1: So there's politics everywhere. Why can't a man, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not wearing shoes or socks or a shirt, walk into
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  Speaker 1: an establishment at three in the morning and buy a
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  Speaker 1: loaf of bread without getting into politics, I ask you?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. So disappointing because they make the best
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  Speaker 2: sandwiches now. Good raps. Now I'll have to think twice
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  Speaker 2: about going back, at least next time I go.
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  Speaker 1: No, you'll go anyways, because that's... The sandwiches are so good.
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  Speaker 1: The sandwiches are that good. Okay, let's take a quick break.
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  Speaker 1: We'll come back, talk a little bit about wildfire announcements,
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  Speaker 1: which both parties made. Hang on one sec. Political Capital
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  Speaker 1: It's always interesting, Jeff, on the campaign trail, sometimes parties
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  Speaker 1: end up talking about the same thing on the same day.
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  Speaker 1: And coincidentally, on Friday, we had the Conservatives and the
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  Speaker 1: NDP both talking about wildfire announcements. They're both in communities
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  Speaker 1: affected by wildfires, David Eby and Lauren Dirksen. The NDP
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  Speaker 1: announcement was $ 20 million in matching donations to the Canadian
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  Speaker 1: Red Cross to help folks. If you donate, the government
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  Speaker 1: will match that up to $ 20 million. and helping rebuild
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  Speaker 1: underinsured and non-insured buildings in the communities that had buildings
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  Speaker 1: burnt down in the wildfire season. The conservatives announced a
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  Speaker 1: $ 400 million new wildfire aerial fleet of water bombers, a
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  Speaker 1: BC fleet of water bombers that they're going to purchase,
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  Speaker 1: which I thought was kind of interesting, as well as
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  Speaker 1: letting qualified firefighters work together to better, which I think
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  Speaker 1: is a reference to what we hear almost every wildfire
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  Speaker 1: season where there's some guy who's from a volunteer fire
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  Speaker 1: department in his community and he wants to help out.
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  Speaker 1: And the BC Wildfire Service says, no way, you haven't
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  Speaker 1: met this whatever. And there's a big kerfuffle in the
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  Speaker 1: community because there's people there who could help out who
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  Speaker 1: aren't allowed to help out. And that seems to have
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  Speaker 1: been a persistent complaint over years. So I think that's
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  Speaker 1: a reference to that. But somehow, all of this on
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  Speaker 1: the same day in the campaign, Jeff, dueling wildfire announcements
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  Speaker 1: did anything stand out for you there.
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  Speaker 2: Well it seems that both main parties in this election
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  Speaker 2: support fighting wildfires so now that we've established that.
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  Speaker 1: That's right furious agreement on that yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's you know you got uh lauren dirksen who you
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  Speaker 2: know god bless him it's his first campaign and his
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  Speaker 2: you know his main things are like hi mom and
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  Speaker 2: uh cheaper booze and we're gonna buy airplanes yeah it's
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  Speaker 2: a It's like we're in a big.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, he's like, he looks like he's kind of having
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  Speaker 1: fun in that sort of shell shocked kind of way
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  Speaker 1: of like, Oh my God, what's going on here? Um,
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  Speaker 1: but it's a long campaign by the end of it.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see, uh, cause everyone's going to
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  Speaker 1: be exhausted at the end of this election campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Do you ever see Bean there? No. Peter Sellers and
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  Speaker 2: Shirley McLean. There's this, there's this guy who's a gardener for, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 2: a fellow who passes away and, uh, He's just the simplest,
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  Speaker 2: most likable guy, but doesn't really know a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: about the world other than his specialty in gardening. But
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  Speaker 2: then he gets drawn into crazy circumstances and he's got
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  Speaker 2: such a total blank slate about him that everyone projects
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  Speaker 2: onto him the best of what they want and see
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  Speaker 2: in the world. And the movie kind of ends with
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  Speaker 2: this famous scene where he's walking on water because he
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  Speaker 2: doesn't know he can't. And it strikes me that Lauren
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  Speaker 2: Dirksen's having a little bit of that kind of a
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  Speaker 2: moment there. I don't want to diminish his ability or intelligence,
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  Speaker 2: not at all. Obviously, he's a multi-term MLA, and you
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  Speaker 2: don't do that unless you've got some smarts going to you.
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  Speaker 2: But there is that element of, like, my God, I
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  Speaker 2: can't believe I'm in this campaign. But that's got to
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  Speaker 2: change at some point.
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  Speaker 1: I think it changes around the same time as people
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  Speaker 1: get over the early election call and everyone refocuses back
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  Speaker 1: on things. But if Lorne Dirksen did at some point
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  Speaker 1: in this campaign begin to walk on water, I can't
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  Speaker 1: wait to read the comment on Twitter underneath it from
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  Speaker 1: some chubby lover 69 who says, that's it? So that'd
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  Speaker 1: be really good. That'd be great to put that miracle
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  Speaker 1: into our modern political environment of social media commentary.
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  Speaker 2: He's walking on water. water. Probably AI. Which, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Probably would be.
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  Speaker 1: Probably would be at this point. Okay, just one other
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  Speaker 1: topic here, just for a second here. There was a
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  Speaker 1: brief kind of flare-up on the issue of TransLink today,
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  Speaker 1: and it didn't go anywhere, so we won't spend a
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  Speaker 1: lot of time on it, but the issue is TransLink's
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  Speaker 1: trying to find a stable source of funding. Jaz Johal
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  Speaker 1: from CKNW tweeted out, and I had written about this
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  Speaker 1: last year, that a vehicle levy for Metro Vancouver was
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  Speaker 1: on the table as one potential option because the other
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  Speaker 1: two options that have historically been floated for TransLink has
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  Speaker 1: been a slice of the carbon tax revenue and the
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  Speaker 1: carbon tax is gone and road or mobility pricing, which
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  Speaker 1: the government has ruled out because it's complicated and people
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  Speaker 1: aren't going to like crossing a road in Metro Van
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  Speaker 1: and suddenly getting hit with an imaginary fee or paying
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  Speaker 1: more to go downtown. So that went out and then
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  Speaker 1: the premier came out and said, nope, no vehicle levy,
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  Speaker 1: not on my watch. and said TransLink suggested that, and
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  Speaker 1: TransLink came out and said, we didn't suggest that, but
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  Speaker 1: we're looking for a stable source of funding. And then
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  Speaker 1: everyone apparently missed the actual issue, which is how do
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  Speaker 1: we fund public transit in Vancouver, in Metro Vancouver, in
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  Speaker 1: a sustainable way. But much ado about nothing, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: on that, Jeff, in that particular issue on the campaign trail.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there are just some issues in the campaign
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  Speaker 2: that the two parties who are the main parties involved,
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  Speaker 2: and they just say, This is an issue for after
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  Speaker 2: the election. And this is an issue for after the election.
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  Speaker 2: Whoever forms government is going to have to make a
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  Speaker 2: tough call. And it will probably be something that people
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  Speaker 2: don't like. But everyone's going to say, oh, no, nothing's
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  Speaker 2: on the table. Nothing's going to happen. But no matter
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  Speaker 2: who forms government, they're going to have a tough one
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  Speaker 2: with this one when the day comes that they have
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  Speaker 2: to make the announcements.
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  Speaker 1: The one advantage would be if you did the vehicle levy,
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  Speaker 1: you capture EV users who aren't paying. Right now, most
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  Speaker 1: of the transit funding comes from a gas tax, and
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  Speaker 1: they're not filling up on gas, so they're not paying
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  Speaker 1: for public transit. And so part of the vehicle levy
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  Speaker 1: was an idea of when you go get your insurance
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  Speaker 1: at ICBC, you get hit with $ 100 a year when
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  Speaker 1: you're an EV user and you have to pay towards
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  Speaker 1: public transit. So you'd be going after some of the
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  Speaker 1: EV users who, I mean, I don't know any EV
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  Speaker 1: users personally on this show, perhaps not.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but.
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  Speaker 1: Suddenly they would be contributing to public transit, which I
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  Speaker 1: guess is fair, right? Theoretically.
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  Speaker 2: Theoretically, you're punishing people for making choices that are good
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  Speaker 2: for the environment. Come on, you can't do that. No,
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  Speaker 2: but really, if you want to go down that road,
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  Speaker 2: you just call it the Tesla tax. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, twice.
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  Speaker 1: If you buy a Tesla, you do it twice. That's
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  Speaker 1: the Musk task. Okay, all right. Well, it was an
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  Speaker 1: interesting week and an interesting... election shaping up here. Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: appreciate you doing the show so early on your birthday morning.
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  Speaker 2: Happy birthday to me.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. That's right. And happy birthday to all of
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  Speaker 1: you for this present that you have in your pod
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  Speaker 1: box so early on a Saturday morning. Special edition of
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  Speaker 1: Political Capital Daily. We'll be back on Monday. Oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: it's so soon. We'll be back with all the latest
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: in BC politics here. We'll see you then.