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The Bolt Report | 10 February · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: Goodness is the Folk Report?
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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Speaker 2: James Macpherson filling in for Andrew Bolt. Coming up tonight.
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Speaker 2: Pro Palestinian protesters clashed violently with police. So where's the
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Speaker 2: social cohesion? Anthony Albanesi keeps talking about and should a
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Speaker 2: famous Australian of the Year be stripped of her title
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Speaker 2: following a disgusting chant at yesterday's ugly protests. Plus the
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Speaker 2: Katta's Australia Party is looking to reignite debate on abortion
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Speaker 2: in Queensland Parliament. We'll get to all of that and
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Speaker 2: more shortly, but first, after all of Anthony Albanese's anti
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Speaker 2: hate retoric, Australian Jews are still prisoners in their own country.
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Speaker 2: Last night, more than four thousand Jewish Australians were trapped
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Speaker 2: inside Sydney's International Convention Center because it wasn't safe for
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Speaker 2: them to leave.
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Speaker 1: As you know, there was a protest under town. The
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Speaker 1: ball I went a little bit longer than expected.
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Speaker 3: We're clearing a.
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Speaker 4: Crowd and to ensure your safe passage out.
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Speaker 1: If you here, if you could just ask you be
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Speaker 1: patient with us for thirty minutes. There's no threat to
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Speaker 1: this building. There's no threat to this precinct.
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Speaker 4: It's just a matter of.
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Speaker 5: We're trying to just follow people out to ensure that
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Speaker 5: we don't cross over, and we're able to do that.
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Speaker 4: If you get graces for thirty.
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Speaker 2: Minutes, we'll put a plan in place.
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Speaker 6: The police will ensure your sage skill it.
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Speaker 7: Well, police will ensure your safe passage out of here.
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Speaker 1: And I thank you.
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Speaker 4: Very much for your patience.
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Speaker 2: I can totally understand the frustration of those in the building.
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Speaker 2: On the one hand they're told there's no threat, and
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Speaker 2: on the other hand they're told it'll be half an
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Speaker 2: hour before police will ensure your safe passage out of here.
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Speaker 2: Tell me one other group of Australians they have to
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Speaker 2: put up with that. Jews should not have to wait
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Speaker 2: to leave the Conventions for their own safety, and they
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Speaker 2: should not need a police escort to get to their cars.
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Speaker 2: And yet well here we are. What an incredible disgrace.
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albinezi went on radio this morning to say he
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Speaker 2: was devastated. He was devastated.
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Speaker 6: I'm devastated by it. These are really scenes that I
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Speaker 6: think shouldn't be taking place. People should be able to
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Speaker 6: express their views peacefully, but the police were very clear
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Speaker 6: about the routes that were required if people wanted to march,
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Speaker 6: to go a particular route and to ensure that this
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Speaker 6: was done peacefully.
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Speaker 2: What's only taken the PM two years to become as
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Speaker 2: exasperated as the rest of us After one hundred and
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Speaker 2: twenty weeks of protests in support of terrorist run Gaza
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Speaker 2: finally dawned on Anthony Albinezer that some of these protesters
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Speaker 2: aren't exactly peaceful. This was the comic.
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Speaker 6: That the causes are not advanced by these sort of scenes,
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Speaker 6: indeed their undermined.
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Speaker 2: The PM just doesn't get it, does he. The ugly
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Speaker 2: scenes we saw yesterday don't undermine the protesters cause they
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Speaker 2: are the cause, intimidating, bullying and harassing Australian Jews and
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Speaker 2: anyone who supports them. Well, that's the point. And just
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Speaker 2: as Hamas expertly provokes is rather and then weaponizes the
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Speaker 2: response from propaganda, some of the protesters here run the
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Speaker 2: exact same playbook. Case in point, a group of Muslim
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Speaker 2: men refused to move on as directed by police yesterday. Instead,
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Speaker 2: they decided to kneel on the ground for an impromptu
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Speaker 2: prayer meeting.
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Speaker 8: Why why.
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Speaker 2: Those men at prayer knew exactly what would happen, and
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Speaker 2: they knew it would all be on film. They knew
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Speaker 2: full well that the police would either turn a blind
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Speaker 2: eye to them praying in the middle of the square,
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Speaker 2: in which case, well, they make a statement, don't they
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Speaker 2: We own this town in the name of Islam. We
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Speaker 2: do as we please, and not even the police dare
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Speaker 2: to stop us, or police officers would forcibly move them on,
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Speaker 2: in which case they would cry, but we're praying, spare me, naturally.
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Speaker 2: The Australian National Imam's Council put out a statement. Police
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Speaker 2: are entrusted to protect the community, uphold public safety and
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Speaker 2: de escalate tensions, not to interfere with religious worship. This
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Speaker 2: treatment of worshippers is unacceptable. Worshipers, there's about one hundred
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Speaker 2: and forty one mosques in Sydney if you want to worship.
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Speaker 2: But these guys, well they decide to pray in the
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Speaker 2: middle of the CBD in the midst of a riot,
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Speaker 2: after police had instructed everyone to move on. They were
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Speaker 2: not worshiping, they were obstructing. And that the Islamic leadership
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Speaker 2: of this country pretends not to know the difference. Well,
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Speaker 2: that tells you everything, doesn't it. He is our media.
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Speaker 5: The people praying and being dragged away, they don't look
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Speaker 5: from the outset that they were being anything but peaceful.
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Speaker 2: Really, I'm going to assume she was playing the devil's
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Speaker 2: advocate anyway. New South Wales Premier Chris Mens at least
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Speaker 2: lives on the same planet as the rest of us.
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Speaker 3: There's no way New South Wales Police, with their long
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Speaker 3: record of engagement with the Islamic and the Arabic community,
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Speaker 3: would have tried to or deliberately provoked a confrontation on
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Speaker 3: those lines. Obviously, people are allowed to and encouraged to
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Speaker 3: practice their religion, but the circumstances are important here, and
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Speaker 3: police had given a move on order in that square
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Speaker 3: immediately after violent crash clashes.
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Speaker 2: I guess that means the Albertezy government appointed special Envoy
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Speaker 2: to combat Islamophobia won't be getting the public apology he's demanding. Today.
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Speaker 2: Aftab Malek released a statement calling the New South Wales
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Speaker 2: police actions horrific, unprovoked force against Muslims peacefully praying. He continued,
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Speaker 2: I'll be calling the New south Wales Premier and the
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Speaker 2: police Commissioner expecting nothing short of a public apology and
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Speaker 2: clear accountability for what occurred, and Albanese should immediately sack
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Speaker 2: his special Islamophobia envoy, who is clearly using the platform
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Speaker 2: Albanese unadvisedly gave him to stir up troublemakers. Anti Israel
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Speaker 2: protesters had lost a Supreme Court battle to march through
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Speaker 2: the CBD, but the law of the land, well that
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Speaker 2: means nothing to them, so they marched anyway and chaos ensued.
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Speaker 2: Now we're told to clutch our pearls because the police
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Speaker 2: responded robustly. His protest organizer Josh Lees, this.
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Speaker 9: Is a peaceful protest attacked viciously by hundreds of riot
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Speaker 9: police with chemical weapons and buttons, and this is an absolute.
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Speaker 2: Atrocity chemical weapons. Hey, if pepper spray isn't your thing,
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Speaker 2: well I'm all for water cannons next time. Here's a
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Speaker 2: pro tip for Josh Lees and his friends. Obey the
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Speaker 2: law and you won't have altercations with police. But like
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Speaker 2: I said, it's straight out of the Hamas playbook. Provoke
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Speaker 2: a reaction and then cry victim. If you believe Josh Lees,
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Speaker 2: butter wouldn't melt in the mouth of protesters.
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Speaker 9: Peaceful protesters were just trying to stop the genocide, trying
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Speaker 9: to say we should have the right to protest peacefully,
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Speaker 9: and we were attacked by the police tonight.
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Speaker 2: It was never peaceful, was it. Speakers like Lizzie Jarrett
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Speaker 2: of the Black Caucus group clearly urged the crowd to
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Speaker 2: march through the streets. It's our land. We don't need permission.
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Speaker 2: If everybody and the protests got out of control, here's
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Speaker 2: the new South Wales Police Commissioner.
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Speaker 10: We've got a lot of body worn footage that we
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Speaker 10: will need to look at.
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Speaker 11: Every officer is accountable for their actions.
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Speaker 12: But can I say police were confronted by an angry
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Speaker 12: and aggressive group of protesters.
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Speaker 1: We had to move them forward.
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Speaker 10: How I am proud of what they did last night
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Speaker 10: in holding the line.
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Speaker 2: I think most Australians are smart enough to know what
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Speaker 2: was going on yesterday and they won't judge the police
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Speaker 2: harshly at all. In fact, I think most Australians watching
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Speaker 2: yesterday's response would say about time. If police had been
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Speaker 2: given license to respond like that two years ago, well
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Speaker 2: we wouldn't have had the scenes we saw last night.
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Speaker 2: Come to think of it, we might not have had
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Speaker 2: the Bondai terror attack. Meanwhile, in an completely unrelated story,
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Speaker 2: of course, Australia's newly appointed Director General of National Intelligence
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Speaker 2: warned that Islamic extremism is the greatest threat globally. It's
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Speaker 2: cute to see our security agencies finally catching up with
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Speaker 2: what the rest of us have known for the past
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Speaker 2: twenty years. Kathy Kludman warned that Islamic extremism is and
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Speaker 2: I quote absolutely not a thing of the past, no kidding.
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Speaker 2: Kludman added that the persistence of Islamic extremism was quote remarkable. Now,
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Speaker 2: on the one hand, I'm pleased that a top official
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Speaker 2: is at least brave enough to say the obvious out loud.
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Speaker 2: On the other hand, I'm concerned about the incredible naivety
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Speaker 2: when our top intelligence officer says the persistence of Islamic
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Speaker 2: extremism is remarkable, Well, you've got to wonder if she's
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Speaker 2: ever opened a history book. In a statement published today,
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Speaker 2: she said the problem globally of Islamic extremist terrorism remains
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Speaker 2: right up the top of the list when it comes
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Speaker 2: to global extremist action and terrorism threats. Now, please remember
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Speaker 2: that every time a labor politician or green. But I
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Speaker 2: repeat myself, says yeah, but what about the white supremacists.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying white supremacists aren't a problem. I'm just
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Speaker 2: saying our intelligence agencies are telling us Islamic extremism is
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Speaker 2: the main problem. Rather than being devastated, our Prime minister
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Speaker 2: should try dealing with it now. I'm not tarring those
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Speaker 2: involved in last night's violent and illegal protests as Islamic extremists,
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Speaker 2: but let's not pretend there's no link. We all know
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Speaker 2: what globalized the INTERFATA means, which is why governments are
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Speaker 2: belatedly now scrambling to outlaw the phrase. And if you
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Speaker 2: don't think thousands of people marching every weekend for the
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Speaker 2: past one hundred Sunday shouting support for terrorist run Gaza
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Speaker 2: doesn't encourage Islamic extremists, well you're not confused. You're wilfully stupid,
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Speaker 2: and sadly, we seem to have a surplus of such people,
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Speaker 2: not least of which former Australian of the Year Grace Tame.
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Speaker 2: He is Australia's Greator, but with a better haircut.
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Speaker 13: From Gayal to Nada Gloneline.
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Speaker 8: Okay Yo.
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Speaker 2: This former Australian of the Year has become a danger
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Speaker 2: to herself and to Australia. Acts of terror, including suicide bombings,
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Speaker 2: have been a defining feature of the Interfada. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: that's not what she wants, but her enthusiasm for damning Israel, well,
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Speaker 2: it's dangerous. Grace Tame was crowned Australian of the Year
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Speaker 2: for her advocacy on behalf of sexual abuse victims. I'm
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Speaker 2: not saying Tame supports a mass, but has she forgotten
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Speaker 2: that her mass viciously raped and abused young women at
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Speaker 2: the Nova Music Festival. Does she not recall how her
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Speaker 2: musk took young women hostage and sexually assaulted them whilst
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Speaker 2: using them as chips in a poker game. Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 2: and Barnaby Joyce today called on the National Australia a
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Speaker 2: Council to revoke Grace Tame's Australian of the Year award
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Speaker 2: is One Nation MP Barnaby Joyce on Sky News earlier today.
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Speaker 14: Is that the sort of thing that should see her
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Speaker 14: stripped of that honor?
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 5: The answer to that is yes, and the form of
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Speaker 5: her words, if it's followed through, brings about the death
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Speaker 5: of people. Is that what you want? Grace tame, is
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Speaker 5: that the gift you give back to Australia after the
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Speaker 5: one of the greatest honors Australia could bestow on you.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the liberal parties scratch their heads trying to work
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Speaker 2: out why are one nation so popular. Well, joining me
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Speaker 2: now is National Senator Matt Canavan. Matt, welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: What did you make of the scenes we saw last night?
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Speaker 15: Well, look, I'm a little conflicted, I think with the
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Speaker 15: scenes shocking, shocking to see such disorder, chaos and violence
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Speaker 15: actions on our nation streets. You don't like to see that.
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Speaker 15: At the same time, it's about time. It's about time
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Speaker 15: that the law was enforced. Perhaps if the law had
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Speaker 15: been properly enforced more than two years ago, when we
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Speaker 15: first heard the horrific statements about Jews on our Sydney
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Speaker 15: Opera house, we wouldn't have got to this stage.
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Speaker 1: But when you give these type of.
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Speaker 15: Actors, these activists, an inch, they run a mile, and
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Speaker 15: we've been giving them many inches over the past few
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Speaker 15: years as they've flaunted lawful orders, court orders to not
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Speaker 15: protest in certain areas. It was about time that the
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Speaker 15: law was enforced now, because as I say, it's taken
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Speaker 15: so long for the law to be enforced, we've had
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Speaker 15: to do so in a fairly confrontational fashion, and the
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Speaker 15: scenes we see are extremely shocking Australians. But as I say,
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Speaker 15: we had to take action. I'm glad that finally, finally,
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Speaker 15: an Australian government has taken action. Like always, as you
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Speaker 15: pointed out, the Prime Minister is playing catch up here.
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Speaker 15: He's seen the tough action that the New Southvirales government
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Speaker 15: has done and is sort of playing foot see with
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Speaker 15: agreeing with it, but he's still not really quite there,
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Speaker 15: is saying he's only seemingly disagreeing with the protesters conduct
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Speaker 15: because it undermines their cause, not because it's against the law.
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Speaker 15: That's the main point here, that people shouldn't break the
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Speaker 15: law and if they do there are consequences.
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Speaker 2: Should Grace Tane be stripped of her Australian of the
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Speaker 2: Year award.
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Speaker 1: I don't think we should do that. That will just
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Speaker 1: make a martyr.
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Speaker 15: One of the problems I've seen emerge here in this
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Speaker 15: place in Canberra is that quite often we seem to
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Speaker 15: think that the mere sanction of a politician, even a
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Speaker 15: law itself will change conduct or behavior often has the
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Speaker 15: opposite result. And so when the more we've tried to
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Speaker 15: ban hate symbols, the more hate symbols I've seen on
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Speaker 15: Australian's streets. If we're to strip Grace Tame of this
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Speaker 15: particular honorific, I think she'd just dine out on that.
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Speaker 1: I don't see how that will help. I think the
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Speaker 1: best thing to.
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Speaker 15: Do here is to lock these people up who do
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Speaker 15: break the law. They break the law, lock them up,
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Speaker 15: make them face the consequences, and then largely ignore them.
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Speaker 15: That's the main thing. These people will go away when
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Speaker 15: they're ignored. If you give them attention, if you respond
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Speaker 15: to them, it will just make them matter worse.
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Speaker 2: What did you make of the Australian National mm's council
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Speaker 2: slamming police for interrupting a Muslim prayer meeting. Spare me,
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Speaker 2: what do you think of that?
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Speaker 15: Well, well, again, I come back to this basic principle.
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Speaker 15: The law has to be upheld in our culture. You
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Speaker 15: render on Di Caesar what is Caesars? And it is
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Speaker 15: not for priests or religious faiths to decide which laws
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Speaker 15: they comply within which laws they don't.
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Speaker 1: We're a land of laws and they must be enforced.
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Speaker 15: And there are right and proper laws about the regulation
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Speaker 15: of protests in this country, and particularly is a politician,
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Speaker 15: any politician that is giving any secure or comfort to
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Speaker 15: the protests here breaking the law is a hypocrite because
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Speaker 15: you cannot walk into Parliament House and do the kind
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Speaker 15: of things we saw the activist did on the street
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Speaker 15: streets of Sydney last night. So here in this building
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Speaker 15: or i am now in Parliament House, there are very strong
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Speaker 15: regulations about how you protest around here, and rightly so,
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Speaker 15: they've got important business to do here in the Parliament
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Speaker 15: shouldn't just be disrupted whoever wants to march in and
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Speaker 15: push the barrier of their choice. We have particular areas
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Speaker 15: here around parlam House. You can go and protest. You
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Speaker 15: need a license for it, you need to get approval.
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Speaker 15: That's all well and proper. So if that's the standards
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Speaker 15: we apply here in our house, here in Parliament House,
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Speaker 15: why shouldn't those same standards apply everywhere else in the country,
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Speaker 15: particularly in our biggest city, where people have important business
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Speaker 15: to do. We need to get on with their lives
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Speaker 15: and we shouldn't have the Sydney Harbor Bridge shutdown for
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Speaker 15: these kinds of protests.
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Speaker 1: We shouldn't have the.
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Speaker 15: Middle of Sydney templetely disrupted with this chaotic, violent behavior.
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Speaker 1: Unnecessarily.
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Speaker 15: The police did make and did request these protesters to
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Speaker 15: protest in a dedicated era a believer around Hyde Park
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Speaker 15: where they could have been safe. They could have made
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Speaker 15: their point and that's what needs to happen. The law
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Speaker 15: just needs to be enforced, Matt.
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Speaker 2: The latest newspoll has the Coalition at just eighteen percent,
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Speaker 2: and your former boss, Malcolm Turnbull reckons it's all the
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Speaker 2: fault of Sky News. Have a listen.
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Speaker 10: This is the inevitable consequence for the Liberal Party of
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Speaker 10: imagining that the goal of politics is to seek the
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Speaker 10: approval of the Sky News audience. Now that may well
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Speaker 10: represent many of the members of their branches, but it
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Speaker 10: does not represent Australia.
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Speaker 2: This from Malcolm Turnbull, who was leader of the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 2: imagined the goal of politics was to seek the approval
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Speaker 2: of the ABC at every opportunity. But maybe he's right,
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Speaker 2: maybe it's all our fault.
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Speaker 15: I'm not sure if those aviate is a rose colored there.
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Speaker 15: There's certainly tinge that accords with Malcolm's world view. Look,
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Speaker 15: I think all of these arguments about different forms of
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Speaker 15: media are different ways of communicating, are tied old fashioned
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Speaker 15: and completely miss the point. The reason the Australian people
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Speaker 15: are turning away from the major parties is because income
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Speaker 15: levels are back to twenty eleven levels. The reason why
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Speaker 15: we're not doing so well in the polls is that
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Speaker 15: some of the policies we adopted have led to the
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Speaker 15: heart of the biggest to some of the highest electricity
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Speaker 15: prices in the world. The reason people have no trust
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Speaker 15: in politicians is because their children and grandchildren can't afford
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Speaker 15: to buy a home in one of the largest land
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Speaker 15: mass countries in the world. They're the reasons people are
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Speaker 15: turning away. So turn off Sky News. He's probably watching
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Speaker 15: too much of it him, probably not good for his
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Speaker 15: blood pressure. Turn off Sky News and just go and
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Speaker 15: talk to real people about their experiences. And that's why
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Speaker 15: people are turning it away from the tide old fashioned
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Speaker 15: politics that Malcolm Turble represents. And our way back from
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Speaker 15: this is to recognize that we have made mistakes, including
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Speaker 15: Malcolm Turbule made a lot of mistakes when he was
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Speaker 15: Prime Minister. We got things wrong and we need to
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Speaker 15: reflect on that change our attitude and deliver it again
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Speaker 15: for the Australian people.
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Speaker 1: That is the only way back.
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Speaker 15: It's not about Sky News, it's not about the ABC,
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Speaker 15: not about social media. It's about focusing on the needs
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Speaker 15: and wants of the austrained people and putting those first.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Malcolm Turnble could do with watching a little more
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Speaker 2: of Sky News, Matt. One quick thing before you go.
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Speaker 2: Sunday's press conference when David Little Proud and Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: stood side by side to announce the Coalition is back
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Speaker 2: together a pretty important moment. I thought the body language
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Speaker 2: between Susan Lee and David Little Proud was pretty awkward.
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Speaker 2: Is Barnaby Joyce's take on it?
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Speaker 5: I saw the person who wasently half the show standing
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Speaker 5: there with a smirk on his face, without a tie,
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Speaker 5: without a coat, basically carpeting the leader of the Liberal
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Speaker 5: Party right in front of her face.
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Speaker 2: Do you agree David Little Proud didn't exactly put his
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Speaker 2: best foot forward at that press conference.
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Speaker 15: Again, I just go back to focusing on the Australian
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Speaker 15: people and I think, with all respect, Barnaby has lost
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Speaker 15: a bit of focus in recent weeks where he's seemingly
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Speaker 15: his job at the moment, seems to be running a
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Speaker 15: commentary on the Liberal and National parties, not telling us
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Speaker 15: what one nation would do. I mean, he's the one
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Speaker 15: out there saying he wants to be pro or at
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Speaker 15: least giving comfort to the suggestion that he's going to
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Speaker 15: be prime minister in a one nation government. Well, Barnaby,
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Speaker 15: want to spend a bit more time telling us what
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Speaker 15: you're going to do, because last time he was that
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Speaker 15: close to prime minister he was deputy prime minister. He
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Speaker 15: signed up to net zero. Barnaby signed up to net zero.
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Speaker 15: He's a reason why this country is in some of
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Speaker 15: this mess. So maybe a little bit less focus on
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Speaker 15: what other people are doing and a little bit more
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Speaker 15: focus on what is the needs and wants of Australian people.
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Speaker 2: As I say, mckennavan, appreciate your time tonight, Thanks for
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Speaker 2: joining me. All right, Coming up after the break, President
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump calls us Winter Olympians losers after they use
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Speaker 2: the games to criticize his administration. I'll talk to Sean
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Speaker 2: Spicer next. Well, how divided is America right now? Take
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Speaker 2: yesterday's Super Bowl. They can't even agree on one anthem.
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Speaker 2: Charlie Pooth performed the national anthem, and then Coco Jones
22:56
Speaker 2: performed America's unofficial black anthem.
23:00
Speaker 8: The Past has Times See.
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Speaker 2: Song Inspiring. And then there was the halftime performance, all
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Speaker 2: in Spanish, honoring nations around the world while reminding Americans
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Speaker 2: of their slave owning past, as if slavery only ever
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Speaker 2: occurred in America. I was joined earlier by former White
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Speaker 2: House Press Secretary Sewn Spicer. Sewn, welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: Yesterday was America's biggest sporting event. But I'll tell you
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Speaker 2: what bad bunnies halftime performance I think did more to
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Speaker 2: divide the country than to unite it. And meanwhile, you
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Speaker 2: had Turning Point, USA's alternative halftime event, garnering millions of views.
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Speaker 2: I want to get to that in a moment, but
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Speaker 2: let's start with Trump. He called the halftime show a
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Speaker 2: slap in the face to America. Do you agree with him?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, to some extent, He's right.
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Speaker 7: You have a guy that's extremely polarizing, Bade who didn't
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Speaker 7: speak a lick of English, who danced around with Provoca.
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Speaker 7: I mean to be honest with you, I've seen clips.
24:07
Speaker 7: I refuse to watch it myself. I obviously am not
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Speaker 7: immune to seeing clips on social media, so I've seen
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Speaker 7: portions of it, But I just don't understand why you think,
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Speaker 7: at a moment when you have an event that brings
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Speaker 7: all Americans together to enjoy a meal together, to sit
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Speaker 7: down with friends and family in some cases, that you
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Speaker 7: would choose somebody so divisive that really has such disrespect
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Speaker 7: for the country and our laws, who last week at
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Speaker 7: the Grammy said Ice out as a sign of his
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Speaker 7: displeasure with the law enforcement in the United States keeping
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Speaker 7: the laws of the United States enforced. So I I
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Speaker 7: really don't know why the NFL would do something at
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Speaker 7: a time when they're trying to bring everyone together and
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Speaker 7: watch that they would figure out a way in the
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Speaker 7: middle of that game to be divisive.
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Speaker 2: And of course you had the US Turning Point event
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Speaker 2: happening at the same time, which seems to me emblematic
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Speaker 2: of two completely different Americas that we have right.
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Speaker 7: Now, well sort of except for I mean the Turning
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Speaker 7: Point event. And I had Andrew Corvett on my show tonight,
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Speaker 7: who was a TPA to a Turning Point USA spokesman,
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Speaker 7: one of the people that helped organize this. They expect
25:19
Speaker 7: check this out, they expect potentially twenty to thirty million
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Speaker 7: people who have watched it. When the final tallies come ined,
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Speaker 7: they're actually according to him, he said, they're bringing in
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Speaker 7: an independent sort of accounting, forensic kind of firm to
25:33
Speaker 7: do the numbers so that they're not they don't get
25:36
Speaker 7: criticized for counting their own number. But bottom line is,
25:40
Speaker 7: if you guess that a Super Bowl gets between say
25:42
Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty and one hundred and forty million people,
25:45
Speaker 7: that's about you know, potentially a quarter to a third
25:47
Speaker 7: of the audience that turned like I did, off the
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Speaker 7: super Bowl at halftime and went to another show. That's
25:54
Speaker 7: that's you know, look, that's real money. That's a real
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Speaker 7: impact on advertisers that bought that. But here's the to
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Speaker 7: answer your question, The Bad Bunny halftime show really wasn't
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Speaker 7: about celebrating America. It wasn't in English the turning point
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Speaker 7: USA halftime show wasn't about promoting one side or another.
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Speaker 7: It was patriotic. He Kid Rock talked about Jesus and
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Speaker 7: following him, it was just it was actually just a
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Speaker 7: good show. And I think that was in sharp contrast
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Speaker 7: to not just Bad Bunny, but at the beginning of
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Speaker 7: the Super Bowl They had Brandy Carlisle seeing God bless America,
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Speaker 7: and she said, I want to send a message to
26:33
Speaker 7: LBDTQ communities and marginal They all had to set a message.
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Speaker 7: They couldn't just be about the country and about a
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Speaker 7: great game and a great evening.
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Speaker 11: And that's the difference.
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Speaker 7: One side wants to promote something the other side, My
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Speaker 7: side just wants to actually have a good show and
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Speaker 7: a pleasant evening.
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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of division and sending messages, multiple US athletes
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Speaker 2: at the Winter Olympics have called out the Trump administration
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Speaker 2: over and his policies on trans issues. A ski a
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Speaker 2: Hunter Hess, said he had quote unquote mixed emotions about
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Speaker 2: representing America on the world stage while he's wearing the
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Speaker 2: American uniform, and of course those comments prompted President Trump
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Speaker 2: to label him, quote a real loser. Why do these
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Speaker 2: Olympians think they can say these kinds of things when
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Speaker 2: they're representing America on the world stage.
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Speaker 11: Well, here's the sad part. They can't.
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Speaker 7: Our country gives everyone the freedom of speech, but it's
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Speaker 7: a sad state when you seek and work really hard
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Speaker 7: to represent America. If you want to win your sport,
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Speaker 7: go enter the world championships of whatever sport you're involved in,
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Speaker 7: good for you, that's on you. But when you seek
27:47
Speaker 7: to represent the United States, to carry our flag to
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Speaker 7: where our uniforms you'd aptly noted, then it's a very
27:53
Speaker 7: different thing. The Olympics are about representing the country, not yourself.
27:56
Speaker 7: If you don't like the country, if you don't want
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Speaker 7: to represent.
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Speaker 11: It, don't do it.
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Speaker 7: Go somewhere else, compete in the world championships. But no
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Speaker 7: one's forcing you to do this. And this is what
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Speaker 7: I found really odd about it. If he's so disgusted
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Speaker 7: by the United States, then don't represent the United States.
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Speaker 7: We've got plenty of people that are proud in this
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Speaker 7: country to represent our country, that are proud of our country.
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Speaker 11: And I think the irony.
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Speaker 7: Is is that anyone who had had two seconds of
28:24
Speaker 7: media training could have answered that question better than he did.
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Speaker 2: Tell me what you think about Donald Trump branding Olympians
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Speaker 2: like counta Hesse losers. Is that helpful do you think?
28:37
Speaker 2: Or is Trump better just to sit this one out
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Speaker 2: and let people make up their own minds about the
28:42
Speaker 2: Olympians behavior.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, well, I've given up giving him advice a long
28:48
Speaker 7: time ago.
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Speaker 11: It's pretty on brand for Trump.
28:50
Speaker 7: He doesn't sit back and let people just take potshots
28:54
Speaker 7: without fighting, without punching back. That's him, that's his style.
28:57
Speaker 7: If it were me, I would have just let it
28:59
Speaker 7: roll off my shoulder. But I'm not him and he's
29:01
Speaker 7: not me. This is what makes Donald Trump unique is
29:04
Speaker 7: that he doesn't just let things fly off the shelf
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Speaker 7: without getting noticed. He punches back, you know. So look
29:12
Speaker 7: what he and I would do are probably two different things.
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Speaker 7: But this is who he is. He's become president twice now,
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Speaker 7: so I'm not going to try to give him advice
29:20
Speaker 7: on how to respond.
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Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough, all right. Speaking of punching back,
29:27
Speaker 2: Trump's got to the side whether to pull his punches
29:30
Speaker 2: or not in regards Iran. Now he's meeting with the
29:35
Speaker 2: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Ett Yahoo tomorrow to discuss next steps.
29:40
Speaker 2: What do you think will come from these talks.
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Speaker 7: It's a great question because this is not an easy answer.
29:48
Speaker 7: You've got a country which is very unstable with nuclear weapons,
29:53
Speaker 7: so there's no simple answer here. I know that Prime
29:55
Speaker 7: Minister Nettyah, who moved up his trip because he really
29:59
Speaker 7: wanted to get in the President's ear sooner rather than later.
30:02
Speaker 7: There's a lot of concern about what regime change would
30:05
Speaker 7: lead to. And again it's not just regime changes. We
30:08
Speaker 7: kind of cause I did in Venezuela. You're talking about
30:11
Speaker 7: a place with nuclear weapons that's not the most stable
30:13
Speaker 7: place in the world that could potentially strike back. You
30:17
Speaker 7: don't know what they would do with the weaponry, you know,
30:19
Speaker 7: and so this is a very very precarious situation. If
30:22
Speaker 7: I had to guess, I would say the president goes
30:25
Speaker 7: in and does surgical strikes to take out key military
30:29
Speaker 7: assets in Iran, but limits it to that because there's.
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Speaker 11: No real lung.
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Speaker 1: I mean.
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Speaker 7: The problem that I keep when people ask me this
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Speaker 7: question is, I think what happens when the president goes
30:40
Speaker 7: into the situation room. They generally present them with multiple
30:44
Speaker 7: coas courses of action, and they'll say we could do this, this,
30:48
Speaker 7: and this.
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Speaker 11: That's the easy part.
30:50
Speaker 7: The hard part comes down to what's next after you
30:54
Speaker 7: bomb this, after you strike this, what happens, will there'll
30:57
Speaker 7: be retaliatory strikes? Who takes over, you know, O becomes
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Speaker 7: in power? Those are all real serious questions the president
31:04
Speaker 7: of the United States has to deal with. So it's
31:06
Speaker 7: easy to say he should just do this. It's quite
31:10
Speaker 7: harder to answer the than what question, And I think
31:12
Speaker 7: that's why I could see him doing very limited surgical
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Speaker 7: strikes into Iran where're focused on just taking out military capabilities.
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Speaker 2: Well, certainly the whole world will be watching to see
31:26
Speaker 2: what the next steps. Sean Spiceer, it's always a delight
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Speaker 2: to speak with you. Thanks so much for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely thanks for having me.
31:35
Speaker 2: We'll stick around coming up after the break. Abortion is
31:38
Speaker 2: a highly contentious subject, but shouldn't our politicians at least
31:42
Speaker 2: be allowed to discuss it. Not in Queensland, where the
31:45
Speaker 2: CATA Party's attempts to lift the ban on even talking
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Speaker 2: about abortion failed miserably today, But why I'll talk to
31:52
Speaker 2: Robbie Catter about it after this. Well, thousands of people
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Speaker 2: attended the Rally for Queensland Babies in Brisbane last night
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Speaker 2: to protest abortion. What gave the rally its emotional punch
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Speaker 2: wasn't chanting or placards, but the publication of a photo
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Speaker 2: an image of a baby who allegedly showed signs of
32:13
Speaker 2: life after an abortion procedure at Townsville Hospital. Now you
32:18
Speaker 2: might think that would prompt an urgent investigation. Into how
32:21
Speaker 2: a baby born alive after a failed abortion was denied
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Speaker 2: medical care, but you'd be wrong. Instead, Queensland Health moved
32:28
Speaker 2: swiftly not to examine what happened to the child, but
32:31
Speaker 2: to investigate how the photograph was leaked and to scrub
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Speaker 2: it from the Internet as quickly as possible. Health Minister
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Speaker 2: Tim Nichols told the Townsvill Bulletin that the image posted
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Speaker 2: on social media by a pro life campaigner, doctor Joanna Howe,
32:45
Speaker 2: was quote an appalling breach of confidentiality, which it may
32:49
Speaker 2: well be. But I would have thought a baby allegedly
32:52
Speaker 2: born alive then left to die reportedly sucking his thumb
32:55
Speaker 2: after a failed abortion might also qualify as a poor
33:00
Speaker 2: But that's just because I've got a thing about human rights,
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Speaker 2: his Christian pastor Joel Chalaiah, addressing the crowd on Monday night.
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Speaker 13: We believe that every human life is made in the
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Speaker 13: image of God and therefore come on is sacred to Him.
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Speaker 13: It's not just the wanted babies that are made in
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Speaker 13: the image of God, it's the unwanted babies too.
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Speaker 2: Chilia went on to demand that a gag order imposed
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Speaker 2: by the LNP government on all MPs back in twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four be lifted. You see, from the moment David
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Speaker 2: Chrystofouli's government came to power, political representatives in Queensland have
33:42
Speaker 2: been denied the right to even raise abortion laws in
33:45
Speaker 2: the Parliament. You're not even allowed to seek MP's views
33:49
Speaker 2: on the subject's David chrysafully back in twenty twenty four,
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Speaker 2: legislating to prevent any discussion on abortion.
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Speaker 14: Just to Speaker, I move that, notwithstanding anything in standing
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Speaker 14: or sessional orders, this House orders that A no Bill
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Speaker 14: or amendments seeking to amend the Termination of Pregnancy Act
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Speaker 14: twenty eighteen is allowed to be introduced. B no motion
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Speaker 14: or amendments seeking to have this House express its views
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Speaker 14: on the Termination of Pregnancy Act twenty eighteen is allowed
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Speaker 14: to be moved. And two the Speaker is to rule
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Speaker 14: out of order any bill, motion or amendment that offends
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Speaker 14: the order in one.
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Speaker 2: Now, abortion is a highly contentious subject, but I would
34:30
Speaker 2: have thought that's a reason to allow debate rather than
34:33
Speaker 2: to ban it. And I hate to admit it, but
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Speaker 2: even Stephen Miles is making more sense than the l
34:38
Speaker 2: ANDP government on this issue.
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Speaker 16: I don't know about LMP ANDPS but I didn't run
34:43
Speaker 16: for parliament to be told to shut up. Whether or
34:46
Speaker 16: not you agree with a woman's right to choose, do
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Speaker 16: you think it's right for the LMP to gag parliament
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Speaker 16: from even discussing it?
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Speaker 2: Well, today, katas Australian Party to move a motion that
34:55
Speaker 2: would give MPs the right to at least talk about
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Speaker 2: abortion in the Queensland Parliament. Find out how it went.
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Speaker 2: I'm joined now by Robbie Catter. Robbie, welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: So you moved to be able to change the law
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Speaker 2: so that you can actually speak about abortion. What happened?
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Speaker 17: I predictably the motion went down, So we just asked
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Speaker 17: that the motion be her. But we signaled to whoever
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Speaker 17: run and communicated everyone quite well that they knew full
35:28
Speaker 17: well what the motion was about.
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Speaker 4: And there was a lot of tension in.
35:30
Speaker 17: The room, and you know, quite surprisingly, there was a
35:35
Speaker 17: member of the LMP that crossed the floor when I
35:38
Speaker 17: felt I had no understanding that any would be anyone would.
35:42
Speaker 4: Be crossing the floor.
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Speaker 17: So that was that was excellent outstanding bravery shown by
35:47
Speaker 17: that single person. But they voted it once again to
35:51
Speaker 17: ensure that we couldn't discuss this from under this parliamentary term,
35:54
Speaker 17: which as I understand and as our research as sean,
35:57
Speaker 17: it's unprecedented in Australian history. And as you said in
36:01
Speaker 17: the introduction, it's just it's hard to understand why you can't, well,
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Speaker 17: we can't be allowed to debate something just because it's
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Speaker 17: politically uncomfortable for the party in power.
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Speaker 2: It was Nigel Dalton from Mackay who was the one
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Speaker 2: LNP politician who voted for your motion. Are there any
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Speaker 2: other topics in Queensland that you are not allowed to
36:25
Speaker 2: talk about in the Parliament?
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Speaker 4: Well, it sort of.
36:30
Speaker 2: Was a president to this.
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Speaker 17: We had a crocodile bill, a KP at a crocodile
36:33
Speaker 17: bill that allowed calling the extraordinary number. The crocodiles are
36:37
Speaker 17: popping up in all over North queens and now so
36:40
Speaker 17: we can't swim in most of our swimming holes. And
36:43
Speaker 17: they delayed the debate for that, which is not that uncommon,
36:45
Speaker 17: but they delayed the debate to after a by election so.
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Speaker 4: That they didn't have to show their hand on that.
36:49
Speaker 17: But again, I mean that's sort of holding, you know,
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Speaker 17: we don't want to expose a position and publicly exposed
36:58
Speaker 17: the party position on this because of the political consequences,
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Speaker 17: which is the same principle at play here with the
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Speaker 17: abortion issue. So, and you know you said quite rightly,
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Speaker 17: I mean, anyway right minded, you can have a completely
37:09
Speaker 17: secular approach to this.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's a human rights issue.
37:11
Speaker 17: That there's fifty babies a year at least that we
37:14
Speaker 17: know of, that's almost one a week that's dying on
37:17
Speaker 17: a table, grasping for breath, trying to stay alive, and
37:21
Speaker 17: in many cases nurses and midwives are told to stay away,
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Speaker 17: just let it die on the cold table, sometimes disposed
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Speaker 17: in a plastic bag and a wastepin, which has been recorded.
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Speaker 17: And I just think that's so unhuman UnAustralian.
37:36
Speaker 4: And when you really.
37:37
Speaker 17: Think about it, what could be more important to talk
37:39
Speaker 17: about discuss because if you identify that, observe it, and
37:43
Speaker 17: acknowledge it, surely we should be at least be able
37:46
Speaker 17: to discuss that and make some plans that that doesn't happen.
37:51
Speaker 17: That most of those babies, mind you, will probably die
37:54
Speaker 17: and their health is severely compromised, but we can at
37:57
Speaker 17: least care for them, swaddle them, cuddle them, look after
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Speaker 17: and don't just leave them on a table.
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Speaker 4: Surely. I mean, that was the original bill that I
38:05
Speaker 4: just wanted to put in.
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Speaker 17: They're dipping my toes and the water on this issue
38:07
Speaker 17: and we're not even allowed to go there. So it's
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Speaker 17: sort of a crazy world we live in. And I
38:12
Speaker 17: don't want to make a big deal out of this issue.
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Speaker 4: I really don't.
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Speaker 17: I'm not there at a political point score. I've been
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Speaker 17: accused by I was accused by Peter Kredlin in the
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Speaker 17: election that I was just using this as a political
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Speaker 17: it's not at all. I mean, I'd rather not talk
38:24
Speaker 17: about this, but I've got a direction on it, and
38:28
Speaker 17: I'm going to keep following it. And I don't care
38:31
Speaker 17: how that inconvenient that is for anyone, and I shouldn't
38:35
Speaker 17: be denied the opportunity to keep pushing on that issue.
38:37
Speaker 4: So yeah, we'll keep going. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that you are, because, as you point out,
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Speaker 2: it's a human rights issue. We should at least, whether
38:46
Speaker 2: we agree or not, we should at least be able
38:48
Speaker 2: to talk about it. And for a conservative government, many
38:53
Speaker 2: of whom are Christian MPs, to refuse to even allow
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Speaker 2: anybody to discuss it in part is absolutely disgraceful and
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Speaker 2: disgusting and good on you for raising this issue. Robbie.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry we don't have more time to talk about this,
39:07
Speaker 2: but I really appreciate you during a busy day coming
39:10
Speaker 2: on the program to talk about it. Thanks so much
39:12
Speaker 2: for what you're doing. All Right, we're going to go
39:14
Speaker 2: to a break. But coming up next to Victorian Premier
39:17
Speaker 2: Jacinta Alan refuses point blank to give any details on
39:21
Speaker 2: the scandalous situation her government has allowed in female prisons,
39:25
Speaker 2: and should Chris minsack labor MPs who joined in last
39:29
Speaker 2: night's protest, during which participants were encouraged to break the law.
39:33
Speaker 2: All of that. Next with my panel. Well, I just
39:40
Speaker 2: can't work out why the liberals are so unpopular right now.
39:44
Speaker 2: But here's a clue. Senator Jane Hume, addressing the important
39:48
Speaker 2: issues at Senate Estimates this week.
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Speaker 18: Condoms are provided in the women's changing room. Are you
39:53
Speaker 18: were aware of this?
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Speaker 2: I was not aware of that, Senator, Did.
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Speaker 18: You know that they're not provided in the men's changing room?
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Speaker 2: I was not aware of that. Senda.
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Speaker 18: Do you think that's a stranger normally? As Senator, I
40:02
Speaker 18: believe it's absolutely wonderful that women are taking care of
40:05
Speaker 18: their own sexual health. I agree with you, miss Hinda.
40:08
Speaker 18: I just wonder why men aren't taking responsibility as well
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Speaker 18: we are. That's a good question, Sandy Hume, and we'll
40:15
Speaker 18: discuss it further. TPS, thankk you bring for our attention.
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Speaker 2: How is this a topic for discussion at Senate estimates?
40:23
Speaker 2: We've got record levels of homelessness in this country and
40:26
Speaker 2: Jane Hume wants to know why there are condoms in
40:29
Speaker 2: the women's but not the men's toilets at Parliament House.
40:32
Speaker 2: Why do condoms need to be provided in Parliament House
40:35
Speaker 2: at all? That's a rhetorical question. And why are taxpayers
40:38
Speaker 2: providing condoms for MP's also a rhetorical question. Here's what's
40:42
Speaker 2: not a rhetorical question. With everything going on in the
40:44
Speaker 2: country right now, why waste time on that? Joining me
40:49
Speaker 2: is my panel sky News host Caleb Bond and Sky
40:52
Speaker 2: News contributed at Joe Hildebrand. Now, gentlemen, we are going
40:54
Speaker 2: to resist the urge to use double on tondres here Caleb.
41:02
Speaker 2: That's why I'm starting with Caleb joke. What Australians expect
41:06
Speaker 2: when their representatives grill the public service is surely better
41:10
Speaker 2: than that.
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Speaker 19: I'll look speak for yourself, James, I'm glad you're bringing
41:13
Speaker 19: us the hard news. But look, I think she does
41:16
Speaker 19: actually raise a reasonable point. Whether it is specifically about
41:21
Speaker 19: the fact that it is only being provided in the
41:23
Speaker 19: women's change rooms as opposed to the men's, it is
41:26
Speaker 19: rather a question of why they are provided in the
41:28
Speaker 19: first place. Why is the text I thought Malcolm Turnbull
41:32
Speaker 19: instituted a bonk ban in twenty eighteen, so eight years
41:36
Speaker 19: ago the said you weren't meant to get up to
41:39
Speaker 19: anything dodgy in Parliament House, certainly not with your staff.
41:42
Speaker 19: So it's a bit hard to understand why they would
41:44
Speaker 19: be providing them in the first place. And of course, yes,
41:46
Speaker 19: there are lots of problems in the Liberal Party at
41:49
Speaker 19: the moment, and the Liberal Party is rooted, some might say,
41:54
Speaker 19: but I do think it deserves some inquiries to why
41:57
Speaker 19: we are paying for the pleasure and activities of people
42:01
Speaker 19: who work and move around in Parliament House. Surely on
42:05
Speaker 19: their salaries, again paid for by us. They can afford
42:09
Speaker 19: to buy their own equipment.
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Speaker 2: All right now, I'm going to move on from that
42:13
Speaker 2: topic only because we've got a lot to get through
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Speaker 2: and I don't waste time on that Joe hilder Brand,
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Speaker 2: my apologies. Should New South Wales Premier Chris Mins. Should
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Speaker 2: Chris Mins discipline MPs who participated in yesterday's pro Palestinian
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Speaker 2: protest Camerin Murphy, Sarah Kain, Stephen Lawrence, Anthony Diadam, They
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Speaker 2: are all there. How's the government Joe Hildebrand expected to
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Speaker 2: maintain authority when its own members are participating in protests
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Speaker 2: where the crowd is being whipped up to break the law.
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Speaker 12: Well, it's certainly very stupid of those MPs to be there,
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Speaker 12: and it obviously shows their disregard for labors standing in
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Speaker 12: the community. When they are dividing the party that they
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Speaker 12: purport to represent, some of them should definitely know better.
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Speaker 12: Anthony Dadam has already been sidelined or demoted from the
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Speaker 12: front bench or parliamentary secretary role to the backbench after
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Speaker 12: he refused to support Chris Min's and the Labor government's
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Speaker 12: position on Palestine. If, indeed, if they actually actively go
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Speaker 12: out and say we disagree with the Men's Labor Government's
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Speaker 12: position on Palestine, this is terrible, we don't support it,
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Speaker 12: that would definitely be grounds for discipline reaction. And of
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Speaker 12: course if they were marching or impeding traffic or not
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Speaker 12: obeying a police direction. They should be arrested just like
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Speaker 12: anyone else should have, but they don't seem to have
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Speaker 12: been openly doing that. Again, it's interesting there weren't any
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Speaker 12: federal labor MPs there because that would be obviously a
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Speaker 12: direct opposition to Anthony Albaneze inviting Isaac Hertzog to Australia,
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Speaker 12: and that would be an actionable offense, I would think,
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Speaker 12: because they would be violating caucus solidarity and undermining a
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Speaker 12: position of the Prime Minister. So these people are not
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Speaker 12: the messiahs. They are just very naughty boys and girls,
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Speaker 12: and quite frankly, they look juvenile and undergraduate and stupid.
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Speaker 12: And the Left always say, well it's the company you keep. Well,
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Speaker 12: they've been keeping some pretty questionable company.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, Chris Mins has done a pretty good job, I
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Speaker 2: would say, in terms of trying to get a handle
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Speaker 2: on anti Semitism. But it makes you realize how difficult
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Speaker 2: his job has been when you realize he's fighting his
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Speaker 2: own party, his own caucus.
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Speaker 19: Of course, well he's fighting certain members of his own party.
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Speaker 19: But I think the Premier has pulled the right rain here.
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Speaker 1: He said this morning.
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Speaker 19: Look, it's not my job to police thought. It is
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Speaker 19: my job to police hate speech and breaking of the law.
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Speaker 19: If there was any suggestion that any of these people
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Speaker 19: participated in the illegal movement or of a protest, or
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Speaker 19: encouraged people to participate in the illegal movement of a protest,
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Speaker 19: then I think there would be an argument that the
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Speaker 19: Labor Party should discipline them and remove them from their
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Speaker 19: positions within the party. But they are all backbenches and
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Speaker 19: so from that perspective, they are entitled to do what
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Speaker 19: they want. They're not always going to agree with the Premiere.
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Speaker 19: But I think the Premier has done enough to make
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Speaker 19: his position pretty clear and the position of the party
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Speaker 19: pretty clear, and if others within the party don't want
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Speaker 19: to adhere to that, perhaps they themselves should consider their positions.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Victorian Premierjasin to Allan. She's refused to
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Speaker 2: give any details at all about how a female prisoner
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Speaker 2: was given a payout after being sexually assaulted in a
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Speaker 2: female prison by a transgendered murder and now she was
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Speaker 2: asked how much the payout was. Here's her reply.
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Speaker 7: I'm not in a position consistent with practice for any
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Speaker 7: of these matters.
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Speaker 18: To comment on those details.
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Speaker 2: She was asked if the man who assaulted the female
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Speaker 2: prisoner had undergone gender reassignment surgery before being placed in
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Speaker 2: the female prison. Here's her reply.
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Speaker 14: Now, I'm not able to go into the personal or
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Speaker 14: particular details of any prisoner.
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Speaker 2: She was asked if taxpayers had paid for the man
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Speaker 2: to undergo gender reassignment surgery, and here's her reply.
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Speaker 7: That is not a matter that I have information on it.
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Speaker 2: And when why the man was given parole after committing
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Speaker 2: the sexual assault, Here's what she told reporters.
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Speaker 18: I'd have to direct you to the Independent Parole Board
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Speaker 18: for that advice.
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Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrand. For a premier who gives the impression she
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Speaker 2: knows everything, she doesn't appear to know anything.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I think this is just a textbook case of
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Speaker 12: plausible deniability, where a leader would say, and I would
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Speaker 12: do the same thing if I was in her position,
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Speaker 12: because it's obviously in just an appalling situation for which
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Speaker 12: there are and can be no excuses, and so you
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Speaker 12: would just say, whatever you do, I do not want
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Speaker 12: to know about this. I do not want to be
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Speaker 12: caught holding, you know, holding this hot potato, And so
46:59
Speaker 12: you just basically you're like the three wise monkeys. You
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Speaker 12: hear no evil, see no evil, and speak no evil,
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Speaker 12: and pretend that you just don't know anything about it
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Speaker 12: and that it's all someone else's problem, or they have
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Speaker 12: to or yeah, they have to ask the tough questions
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Speaker 12: of someone else, like the parole board, or you just
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Speaker 12: hide behind the fig leaf of confidentiality. I know, we couldn't, possibly,
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Speaker 12: for privacy reasons disclose any of these matters, which have
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Speaker 12: clearly already been put in the public domain, do not
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Speaker 12: necessarily require the identification of anyone or anyone's names necessarily.
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Speaker 12: But you just say, oh, I know, I couldn't possibly
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Speaker 12: talk about that for ethical ethical reasons.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's laughable obviously.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she suddenly discovered ethics. You talk about this being
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Speaker 2: a private matter. That's her take. But Caleb, this involves
47:47
Speaker 2: public money and public safety. Those are probably the two
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Speaker 2: most important things for politicians to be accountable for, aren't they.
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Speaker 1: Indeed?
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Speaker 19: I mean, she's running the Sergeant Chultster things, isn't she.
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Speaker 11: I know, Nah, I think I know that thing.
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Speaker 19: But the point is you're the premier, and you are
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Speaker 19: meant to know and we deserve to know when your
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Speaker 19: government has to pay compensation to a woman who's been
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Speaker 19: sexually assaulted in prison by a transgender inmate. That means
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Speaker 19: there are two victims, not only the woman who was assaulted,
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Speaker 19: but also the taxpayers of Victoria who've had to pay
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Speaker 19: for your mistake. And if you're not willing to be
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Speaker 19: upfront with them about how much you've paid and the
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Speaker 19: circumstances in which all of this happened, and whether or
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Speaker 19: not it will ever happen again, then you're simply not
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Speaker 19: doing your job. It should be so easy, but for
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Speaker 19: Jacinda Allen it's extremely difficult.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Joe Hildebrand Calibond, calib we'll see you on the
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Speaker 2: Late Debate a little later in the evening. Thanks to
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Speaker 2: you both, Let's all from me tonight, Andrew be back
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