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Manic Street Preachers · Deprogrammed Music Podcast

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  Normally I would be you would be hearing the music and I would be
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  saying something different here. But obviously, if you're getting
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  me talking before the music, something has happened or
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  there's a reason. And unfortunately, we have lost
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  our our dear friend Peter, who was supposed to do this episode
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  with us until you say it like, Dang, man, I thought I was going
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  to be OK. I was OK literally 30 seconds
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  ago. And we started talking here.
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  This he was supposed to be on this episode with us.
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  I have Brian and Christian here because we're going to be
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  talking about manic St. preachers today.
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  This is it. It's a complicated issue, right?
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  Like, I mean, obviously you start with with the fact that
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  we've lost our friend, but the reason we're doing this episode
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  and recording it when we are is for as as you mentioned,
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  Christian is for like celebratory reasons.
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  So like it, it does make this kind of a little bit more
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  complicated on several levels. Yeah, we'll get, we'll get into
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  the reasons and why it's a celebrity celebratory episode,
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  but obviously in the circumstances that's really
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  difficult. I think for us all it's you say
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  about our friend and I think that reflects on the type of
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  community that that the programmed is.
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  I mean, I, I'm based over in Wales.
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  You guys are in the States. Never again got anywhere near to
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  meeting Peter. I knew him from doing loads of
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  these loads of these episodes. We were a bit of a bullpen,
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  Brian, myself, Peter and yourself, Justin from a couple
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  of years ago. And we'd not done 1 as a
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  foursome for some time. And I was really, really excited
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  for this one, not just because it's a band and A, and a kind of
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  a reason that's really close to me, but just to get this gang
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  back together. Because after my first one, this
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  was the the next run of, of panels that we had.
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  And it's, I think we're all still a little bit in shock, but
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  I think we're all kind of in agreement that we want to do
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  want to do this justice, You know, for him, from what I, from
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  what I gathered from doing episodes with him, he absolutely
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  loved music and he absolutely knew music.
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  He'd always come up with, you know, a bit of trivia that would
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  always kind of catch me from left field.
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  But Oh my God, how didn't you know that when we were actually
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  talking about this episode? You know, he he sent something
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  when we were chatting and putting putting things together
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  and said, oh, you know, Banach St.
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  Peaches were two different bands at two different at different
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  points in their career. And I'm like, yeah, he
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  absolutely nailed that. Even though they weren't a huge
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  band in the States. You know, he just, he just, he
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  loved music and he knew music. And I think that's the best
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  thing I can say. And Brian, like again, as
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  Christian mentioned, you were you were there on, on these
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  bullpen episodes. This is not easy, but we we do
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  have to the the best thing we can do for Peter is to do the
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  show right. Oh, yeah, it's definitely what
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  he'd want. I mean, you know, there were
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  that he missed because he was sick or whatever.
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  You know, he always wanted the show to continue on whether he
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  was there or not. You know, he really, he really
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  took like your schedule to heart and, you know, you know, wanted
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  everything to, you know, go smooth, always thinking of other
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  people. So yeah, I think the the best
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  thing we should do is continue on for him.
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  So I'll, I'll leave it at this. We love you, Peter.
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  We're going to miss you dearly. Anybody who's who's listening,
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  we're going to be talking about manic St.
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  Preachers today. Please stick around and and try
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  to enjoy this. We're doing it for Peter.
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  We love you man. It's the program, the podcast
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  where we try to get you into a band.
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  That's right. We've done all the work for you.
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  All you have to do is press play and listen.
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  And my name is Justin. You can call me Band Curious
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  because I am indeed curious about bands and I like to gather
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  up my friends and chat about why it is that they love them.
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  And in doing so, we will come up with a top ten circuit for you
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  to try to get into the band as well.
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  And so the scheduling of this Christian was for trying to line
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  it up with Saint David's Day. So as you know, I'm I'm going to
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  pass the baton to you to talk to us about Saint David's Day and
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  why Manic St. Preacher preachers for Saint
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  David's Day. So yeah, if if we've all got our
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  maps right, then this episode should be coming out in the last
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  week of February, which is in the run up to is the closest
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  episode release to Saint David's Day.
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  So that's on 1st of March. If you've listened to any
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  episodes of me before, you might have gathered that I'm Welsh and
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  a proud Welshman at that. And I just thought I could see
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  some Welsh bands on the kind of the list that we kind of put
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  together that we, we sort of were looking at what to do next.
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  And I just saw the kind of the, the timing and the stars
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  aligned. I thought, do you know what?
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  It'd be really cool to actually have an almost a, a themed, A
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  themed episode of the programmed where we do something like this.
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  So ministry preachers, if you didn't know are a Welsh band and
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  possibly one of the most successful Welsh bands.
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  So that's why we're here now. And if I may say doing demeanor
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  Deeth Guldari Happis C Baubsein Grand or Gummery Gobithi or
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  Burkin moin Hai or Bernard Hon or deprogrammed.
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  Wow. So that means happy Saint
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  David's Day to everybody listening from Wales and and
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  from around the world, of course.
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  And I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Programmed.
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  Wow, tough fact to follow. Brian, talk to me about what
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  makes you decide to jump onto Manic St.
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  Preachers. You know, I'm always, I'm always
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  up for a discovery. Those are like my, those are
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  sometimes my favorite things to do and yeah, like I wanted to,
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  you know, get back into a panel and here.
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  So sorry, that's my train of thought.
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  But so, you know, whenever someone suggests the band, like
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  I always go through like the like the like the top songs on
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  Spotify and stuff like that. And they, they sounded just just
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  something that would be right in my wheelhouse.
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  So yeah, yeah, I was, it was a it was a great dive.
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  I actually really, really enjoyed it.
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  So this, this a band that I don't think I'd ever heard of,
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  like, period. I, you know, I, I'm sure I
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  probably saw the name of the band at some point.
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  Never really kind of clocked them apparently.
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  So Peter said that they were on beeves and butt head at some
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  point. So I probably saw that video on
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  Beavis and butt head and again, just never kind of clocked it.
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  So this is like pure discovery for me.
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  And considering where they came out or the when they came out,
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  it's shocking to me that they weren't, they weren't a band
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  that I understand how they weren't a band that, you know,
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  were like way on on my radar. But the fact that they weren't
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  somewhere on my radar is shocking to me.
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  Like they should have been that band that was just out of reach
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  for me. You know what I mean?
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  Like a a band that everybody was telling me about that I just
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  never got to, as opposed to a band I just never heard of like
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  this. This band feels like a not quite
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  a band that should have been there always, but like a band
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  that they they feel like a band that people would have said
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  Justin, you gotta to me like, not in the annoying way that
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  that people do with The Beatles to me, but like in the way that
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  like you would like these guys as opposed to you should like
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  these guys. And I think I just nailed the
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  the what it is about The Beatles.
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  But anyway, that's that's a whole different conversation.
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  But I can't remember Christian did we cover like the entirety
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  of I I can't remember this this because because.
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  Nowhere near. OK.
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  So talk to me about like what we decided to to cover and and how
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  we came to that agreement. OK, well, I'm going to I'm going
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  to rewind a little bit because I I didn't want to do my actually
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  preaches just because they're Welsh.
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  I'm massively I'm massively into this band anyway.
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  But it's a bit of a funny one for me because it's a bit of a
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  running joke with me that I end up on a load of panels of bands
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  that started with a bang, with a with a huge album that went
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  platinum or whatever. And then all the critics and all
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  the kind of the hipsters kind of turned against them.
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  So live Hootie and the Blowfish Bush.
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  This one's a bit of the opposite.
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  I think this band, they start they, they started with a bit of
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  sort of skepticism about them and then they grew into being
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  kind of what I would call elder statesman of the kind of British
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  rock scene. They, they wanted to start with
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  a bang. They said when they first came
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  out, We're going to make one double album, sell 16,000,000
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  records and then break up. And there's, I mean, that just
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  sums up that kind of early attitude of the band.
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  And there's there's loads of stuff.
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  I mean this you have to rein me in because this episode could
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  could go on for for ages. There's so much to talk about
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  with this band. There's so much depth.
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  But yeah, they they're on about I, I should have checked this.
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  I think they're on about something like 16th studio
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  album. They're still going.
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  They brought, they've released one quite recently, but we've
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  covered the first five albums because that's kind of when they
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  were at their most. Oh, I don't want to say this
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  without kind of disrespecting their latest stuff, but probably
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  the most well known period of the band.
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  So first five albums and the first five albums are all really
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  different and they all represent a bit, a bit of a revolution or
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  an evolution of of the band as well.
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  So we took the first five albums and then we I popped on, I think
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  it was 4B sides because they're one of these bands that there's
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  quite a bit of a sort of the fans that the B side is quite
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  beloved with the fans. And I wanted I wanted to play AB
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  side, but I couldn't just put one on because it would be too
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  obvious. So I put I, I put a bunch of B
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  sides on as well just to kind of throw, throw a few, throw a few
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  out there. We've missed out some big ones
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  that fans of the band who may be listening to this will probably
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  shout at me for. One was a cover.
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  They covered the the theme from Mash Suicide is Painless, which
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  was probably their biggest hit for a good while.
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  But as it was a cover, I kind of left it off.
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  And then they had a kind of non album track, Masses Against the
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  Classes, which which we we didn't take.
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  But yeah, first five albums and a couple of these sites making
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  about 70 songs, I think. So you, you already stated that
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  there was AB side basically that you wanted in your 20.
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  What like what rounds out the the other 19?
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  Like what is it that you're looking to bring to the table
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  for this band? OK, well this is this band's in
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  my top ten of, of, of all time, so I knew all the songs I didn't
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  have to. Normally when I do these, I have
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  to do a little bit of discovery, but I, I just didn't.
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  So I spent the time that I had just deliberating, listening
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  closer, trying to come up with specific reasons for songs, you
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  know, that you kind of let the music watch over you, but this
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  was a bit more surgical, if you like.
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  I was trying to think of reasons to take particular songs,
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  thinking about the story behind them, thinking about the
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  significance to the band. I mean, I could have taken over
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  40. It was really, really difficult.
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  Out of the 70, I can count on one hand how many, how many
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  songs I, I'm, I'm not particularly keen on, you know,
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  and there'll be songs that I don't have that you just play
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  and I'll go. I love that song.
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  So yeah, it was just trying to boil it down to songs that meant
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  something to me. Songs that I know mean something
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  in terms of the story of the band and the and the, the, the,
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  the, the myth of the band, if you like, and also the evolution
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  of the band because that that's definitely a thread that runs
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  through these five albums. So Brian, as somebody who's also
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  discovering the band, what what strikes you and like what what
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  is it that you feel like starts molding your 20 for this?
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  So ever since like the first album there like, yeah, had a
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  real like cult kind of Guns and Roses feel to it.
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  And then I noticed as they went on, they became more like a lot
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  of like the pop hooks were like very, very, very well written.
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  So those are ones that really stood out to me.
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  I mentioned, you know, I, I had come across a couple, you know,
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  a couple albums here. I, I really got hooked on on on
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  the Holy Bible. I I've been listening to that
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  record quite a bit. That's that's the that's the
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  first one I got really hooked on and then the one after I got
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  really done, everything was go. So I, I really liked what they
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  did with the Holy Bible. Everything must go and this is
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  my truth. So I'm probably a little little
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  heavier on those on those records, you know, not that I
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  didn't, I didn't, I don't appreciate like the like the
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  more like, you know, rock sound of like the first album, a
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  little bit of the second. But yeah, I, I, I think what
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  what really stood out to me and what I think will stand out to
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  other listeners, you know, who don't know this band probably
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  like a good portion of Americans, is the great like pop
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  hooks and quality of the of like those last three records that we
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  did. Strangely enough, my my journey
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  is very similar. I remember I listened to the
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  first one generation terrorists and I was like, OK, you know,
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  like I wasn't impressed, you know, not I didn't not like it,
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  but I was just like, OK, that's what this is OK.
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  And then I remember you guys talking in the chat saying the
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  first record is very Guns and Roses, like, yeah, that's right.
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  And then like some, I think Peter actually said, you know,
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  and then then they change. It's something different.
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  And so I started listening to the second one.
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  I was like, OK, gold against the whatever the, the name of it is.
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  The the second one I was like, oh, OK, there is more to that.
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  And then much like you, Brian, the Holy Bible.
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  I don't even think I I checked it like as it was happening, but
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  the Holy Bible just grabbed my attention and like I feel like
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  on my first pass I had most of it and I didn't even notice it.
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  I just was adding songs. And then I listened to
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  Everything Must go and like I immediately noticed I am taking
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  everything from Everything must go.
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  And that's when I said in the chat, I was like, holy shit,
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  Everything must go is really good.
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  And that's when I noticed that Oh my God, so was Holy Bible.
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  Like I, I didn't even notice like how much I was really
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  getting into the band, you know, and this is my truth was good.
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  But like, again, I, I I want to be careful with my words, but
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  like it didn't I didn't lock in with it the same way as as those
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  two records. Like I really, really locked in
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  with those two records And then, you know, I, I think after that
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  I'm like just kind of speed listening so much like you,
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  Brian, I'm I'm really heavy on Holy Bible and everything must
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  go and kind of even on everything else.
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  So I don't know Christian. I mean it, it sounds like it
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  sounds there's only 70 songs. So it's not like we were pulling
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  from this massive pool, but it seems like as somebody who knew
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  the band going in and basically knew their 20 going in, it
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  sounds like we could be all over the place.
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  How much do you think for the final say?
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  How much do you think we get through unanimously?
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  OK, so I just want to say you guys are both right.
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  It makes me makes me warm and fuzzy that you've picked out
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  Holy Bible and everything must go.
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  But you're also so wrong about Generation Terrorists, because
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  that absolutely slaps. It was it was that it was that
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  album. It was that album that got me
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  into the band. I didn't like the band at first
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  when they came out. Sorry for the aside, but I, as I
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  said, I've got so much to say about this band.
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  When they when they came out, they were, they were full of
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  attitude. There was that thing about
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  double album Split it Up. They were Nikki and Richie were
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  the mascara twins and they were coming out with all these
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  slogans saying, yeah, we don't want critical success.
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  It was all really sort of posturing and they had this sort
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  of glam image and I was just like, oh God, these guys are
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  embarrassing. And then Gold Against the Soul
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  came out and I was like, oh God, it's even worse.
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  They've kind of gone all like shiny and what's what's this
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  stuff doing on my metal and grunge TV show?
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  Why is this kind of thing? And then two things happened
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  really close together. I heard I mentioned my free CD
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  on a magazine. I heard one of the songs of
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  Generation Terrace on the free CD and I was like, oh, that,
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  that's quite good. I think it was another invented
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  disease and I don't know if you have this in the state, but a
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  friend of mine shout out guy called Mozza huge fan of's has
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  been he was going on and on and on about and I was I was just
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  like our library used to rent albums on vinyl.
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  Is that was that thing with you guys have like record library?
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  I'm sure. Yeah, you can get.
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  You can get records and. CDs so yeah, so.
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  Hello. Who did we lose them?
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  I'm back. Oh, there he is.
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  Sorry, I, I, I, I flipped my mute switch.
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  Sorry. Yeah, yeah.
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  So this this was like, this was a a good couple of years after
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  they came out and I got massively into generation
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  terrorists. And immediately after that, it
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  was the same summer they released Holy Bible and I saw
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  them twice in eight weeks, once by accident at Reading Festival,
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  huge festival in the UK. And I, they blew me away.
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  And then I went to university and I saw them again in
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  university in the October and they blew me away.
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  And from that point, that kind of compression of generation
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  terrorists and Holy Bible together, that was it for me.
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  I was, I was a huge fan. Anyway, that's, that's kind of
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  where I am. Back to the question, how many
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  do I think we hit? So, OK, this sounds like it's
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  some common ground, but this sounds like I've got quite a bit
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  off generation terrorists, so I don't think we could be hugely
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  optimistic. OK, No, I will be, I'll, I'll
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  err on the optimistic side. I'll go 6.
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  OK. Yeah, I like that.
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  All right. I like 6.
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  What do you think, Brian? Me, I, I, I do have a couple off
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  generation terrorists and then a lot off the rest.
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  Man, you know, I'm just going to place it.
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  We'll go right in there. I'm just going to say 5.
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  OK, interesting. So just for a just for a note, I
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  have on my list 10 songs that the Internet answered with when
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  I asked them essential Manic St. Preachers.
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  So half of my list is what the Internet would would say is
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  essential. That said.
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  And so those people are. Yeah.
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  That's true, but you know, you know Pete, you know Peter said.
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  They were two different bands and so there's two different
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  sets of fans. Very true.
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  Fair enough. I'm going to get, I'm going to
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  air on the side of optimism. I'm going to one up Christian 6
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  and go with 7 go. With Scott, there you go.
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  I think that's I think that's a fine point.
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  All right, so we're going to take a quick pause on the other
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  side of this. We're going to go Dicks out for
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  Peter. We're playing deprogrammed.
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  We will be right back. And with that, the name of the
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  game is deprogrammed. The three of us have combed
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  through a selection of the Manic St.
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  Preachers discography in an attempt to create a top or I'm
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  sorry, we went and plucked out 20 songs that we're now going to
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  mash together in an attempt to create a top ten circuit for
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  you. In case you have never given
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  Manic St. Preachers the time of day, I'm
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  going to start here, which is kind of a, a different thing for
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  me. But but the name of the song is
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  the thought that I had when I heard it.
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  And somebody when they answered the question yesterday, said
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  that this was the essential song.
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  We're going to put that to the test.
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  And I think it might answer, you know, Christian said there's two
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  different types of fans. We're going to find out which
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  type of fan this person is. I'm going to start with yes.
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  Yeah. Wow, that that is not what I
• 23:58
  expected you to say. Oh, really?
• 24:01
  But but yeah, I have it, Yeah. OK.
• 24:06
  Does that answer anything? Like does that say no?
• 24:10
  OK. Well, OK, no, I had two songs in
• 24:14
  mind and that's kind of fallen right in the middle.
• 24:16
  I mean, it's a really important song because I mentioned that
• 24:24
  Gold Against is my least favorite of the five and Holy
• 24:27
  Bible is my favorite of the five.
• 24:29
  And this is the first song on Holy Bible and it marks a
• 24:32
  massive transition in sound, in mood, and it kicks off the
• 24:39
  album. You know exactly what you're
• 24:41
  going to get. Now, I don't swear on these
• 24:44
  podcasts because I always think if my kids, you know, my kids
• 24:47
  might might hear them and whatever.
• 24:49
  But apologies, kids. I might swear a couple of times
• 24:52
  on this episode just from quoting lyrics.
• 24:55
  But when you get this song and the fourth word is AC bomb and
• 25:03
  then the chorus goes, he's a boy.
• 25:07
  You want a girl? So tear off his cock, tie his
• 25:10
  hair in bunches, fucking call him Rita if you want.
• 25:14
  You know that this is a dark album.
• 25:17
  It's a song about the exploitation.
• 25:21
  It's the it's about sex industry, exploitation of
• 25:25
  vulnerable people in that industry.
• 25:27
  It's horrific, but it absolutely frames the album and it it it
• 25:34
  makes you realize that you're in for a bumpy ride.
• 25:37
  When in it, it's it's funny because it's balanced against
• 25:40
  this like this bouncy rift that, and it's like, I mean, I, I
• 25:51
  didn't know that layer, you know, until now.
• 25:55
  So like when you when you balance it against that, it's
• 25:58
  like the it's just interesting that that's what's happening
• 26:01
  here. And I think yet again, I have a
• 26:05
  whole new appreciation for the band knowing that that's what
• 26:09
  this song is about. Because really, I mean, the riff
• 26:12
  is what brought me there and I just really enjoyed it.
• 26:15
  And like I said, the second I heard that riff, I was like,
• 26:17
  yes. I was like, oh, that's the name
• 26:20
  of the song. OK, all right, Boom. 1231 is in
• 26:27
  Christian. Where you want to go?
• 26:30
  You know, I always do this. I I come with a with with with a
• 26:33
  big smug feeling that yes, I got my 20 ready and then I realized,
• 26:36
  oh, I have to actually pick some some stuff to play from this 20.
• 26:40
  OK, I am going to go with. I mentioned that I'll I'm going
• 26:45
  to try something from Generation Terrorists.
• 26:47
  I mentioned that the album was full of bravado for the posture
• 26:50
  and full of attitude. Richie and Nicky were known as
• 26:55
  the Mascara Twins. So the band was 2 very different
• 26:58
  halves. Richie and Nicky were the ones
• 27:00
  who were the flamboyant ones. They they couldn't play their
• 27:04
  instruments very well. I understand.
• 27:06
  I don't think Richie ever learned to play his instrument
• 27:10
  very well. And Nicky has become an
• 27:11
  accomplished bassist over time. But I think they both were kind
• 27:14
  of novices. But they were the kind of the
• 27:16
  the political edge of the band that they were the, the, the
• 27:19
  attitude of the band. And then you had James and Sean,
• 27:22
  who were two cousins actually, who were the music, who were the
• 27:26
  musos, basically. But yeah, the attitude was was a
• 27:31
  massive thing early and that a lot of that came from Ritchie.
• 27:37
  I think it's probably important to mention at this point a
• 27:40
  couple of stories about Richie before apologies for rambling,
• 27:42
  but you know, Richie is a is a mythical character in Welsh in
• 27:48
  in Welsh music. Because firstly, about when the
• 27:52
  band first came, there was all this, as I I mentioned before,
• 27:55
  posturing an attitude. And there's an infamous
• 27:57
  interview by Steve Lamac, who very well respected music
• 28:00
  journalist in in the UK and he said, are you, you know, are you
• 28:04
  guys manufactured? Is this, you know, are you
• 28:06
  genuine? Are you authentic?
• 28:08
  And Richie just quietly took out a razor blade from his pocket
• 28:11
  and carved the number four and then reel into his arm in front
• 28:16
  of the journalist and they literally had to take him to
• 28:19
  hospital. Now, obviously trigger warning,
• 28:22
  you know, self harm, not say that's that's a good thing.
• 28:25
  But it's an, it's a, it's an infamous story about, about
• 28:28
  Richie and, and that and what, what you felt about, about the
• 28:32
  band. And then, you know, a few years
• 28:35
  later, may may know the story. He, he goes missing after the
• 28:43
  Holy Bible's released. They're about to fly to America
• 28:47
  and they find his car abandoned at the border between England
• 28:51
  and Wales. So part of the border is over a
• 28:54
  river. There's a, there's a big
• 28:55
  suspension bridge and apparently a notorious suicide spot.
• 29:01
  And he's never been seen since Nobody's been ever, ever been
• 29:05
  found. There've been sort of stories
• 29:07
  about people citing him in, in Goa, in, in sort of Greece, in
• 29:14
  Thierry Islands. And so it's been a bit he's
• 29:18
  yeah, it's, there's, there's never been that closure for the
• 29:22
  band or for his family. And the band still pays 1/4 of
• 29:25
  their royalties into a bank account for him.
• 29:27
  So he's such an important part of the band and I'll get there
• 29:32
  eventually. I just think this song sums up
• 29:34
  the attitude that Richie really embodied in the early days of
• 29:37
  the band. And it is.
• 29:39
  You love us. Oh.
• 29:42
  Man and whenever I pick up a song it.
• 29:45
  Yeah. It always comes crashing down.
• 29:50
  Yeah, I don't have it. I will say, I will say that
• 29:56
  number one, it is an answer that I got.
• 29:58
  So like when I listened to it beforehand, I almost wanted to
• 30:02
  make space for it. I just didn't so for its
• 30:07
  reasons. Yeah, it's as you can imagine
• 30:10
  gigs you got, you can imagine the crowd like shouting,
• 30:14
  shouting back at them. You love her something, you
• 30:17
  know, it's a big kind of band and and fan anthem and it was
• 30:22
  initially a kind of a a pop at the critics, I think initially,
• 30:25
  but it's become a, you know, a real fan band anthem.
• 30:28
  So, yeah, but as I say, I don't, I don't care that it that it,
• 30:31
  it's not through, it's it's, it's important that I got to
• 30:34
  tell the stories about about Richie and that kind of that
• 30:40
  that real energy and bravado that that, as I say, that
• 30:44
  embodied the early, early days of the band well.
• 30:46
  Again, here, here we go with Justin saying reasons why he
• 30:50
  loves doing the show like the that firstly that whole story
• 30:56
  and the the whole idea clicks into place of why generation
• 31:01
  terrorists didn't hit with me because I didn't I didn't know
• 31:04
  that about them. Like I didn't know about you
• 31:07
  know them. So I was basing it solely off
• 31:10
  just the music, which, you know, sometimes you do.
• 31:14
  But knowing about the attitude that they put forward kind of
• 31:19
  would have made me make more space for for that record
• 31:22
  anyway. I mean nothing I can do about it
• 31:23
  now unless I cheat, but you know.
• 31:26
  I mean, and there's a, there's a, there's a few songs that I'm
• 31:28
  going to play that maybe aren't the, the, the songs that I like,
• 31:31
  you know, I meant, I said I was searching for specific reasons
• 31:34
  to play songs. They're not going to be the
• 31:35
  songs necessarily musically that are in my top 20, but they're
• 31:39
  important because of what they mean.
• 31:40
  So that's, that's the fun of the, that's the fun of the game.
• 31:44
  Yes, it's sometimes it's super painful.
• 31:48
  All right, Brian, where do you want to?
• 31:52
  Go. All right, You know, I'll, I'll
• 31:55
  stay on that record. I'll see if I can get him.
• 31:58
  How about motorcycle emptiness? I do not have that one.
• 32:05
  Oh, yeah, it's, yeah, it's, it's that sweet child of mine.
• 32:10
  So I do have that. Yeah, that's probably the answer
• 32:13
  I got the most is motorcycle emptiness.
• 32:16
  And again, had I been up for making space, I probably would
• 32:22
  have figured that one out. But I didn't, so I don't.
• 32:29
  All right. How about I'll go back to Holy
• 32:42
  Bible? This one is when you look at the
• 32:47
  name of it, it is one run, run on sentence that is literally
• 32:52
  without spaces. And so that was going to set it
• 32:56
  apart. And then when you really
• 32:58
  consider where America kind of is right now, it really sets
• 33:04
  itself apart. If white America told the truth
• 33:07
  for one day, its world would fall apart.
• 33:11
  Yeah. No, I don't have it.
• 33:15
  OK, I mean I love it, but I I couldn't find room for it.
• 33:20
  We did get an answer for that on the Internet, so I didn't feel
• 33:27
  bad about keeping that one around.
• 33:30
  I I was, yeah, I was breaking. I was really interested in
• 33:33
  seeing how that how that hit with you guys.
• 33:36
  Yeah, it really, really nailed nailed the little something, so.
• 33:42
  Yeah, I wonder why they never broke America, why they never
• 33:45
  got onto. Who knows?
• 33:48
  Who knows? All right, Christian.
• 33:52
  Oh. Back to me.
• 33:53
  OK right. So I've gone for an attitude
• 33:55
  song. Let me try and find Play, play a
• 33:58
  safer song to to try and find you musically and I think this
• 34:03
  should be a safe bet. So mentioned that you met you
• 34:10
  played yes, first up. That was a big transition from
• 34:12
  gold against to Holy Bible. And then it isn't the first
• 34:18
  track on the next album, but it is the title track on the next
• 34:22
  album. And it's the first thing that
• 34:24
  they did post Richie's disappearance.
• 34:27
  It still uses the album, still uses a lot of Richie's lyrics,
• 34:31
  but it's it's an announcement strack, strack strack, an
• 34:37
  announcement slash apology to the fan base that they're a
• 34:42
  different band now since Richie had gone and it's everything.
• 34:47
  Must go. I got it.
• 34:48
  Yeah. Yep, I do have it.
• 34:54
  Boom and boom. We did get that one as an
• 34:57
  answer, but we also, to be fair, got a lot of people saying the
• 35:01
  entire record. So it's it's it's musically,
• 35:06
  it's musically accessible, but it also has that kind of back
• 35:08
  story as well. It's it is very much a
• 35:10
  statement. It I suppose I hadn't thought
• 35:12
  about it actually. You Love Us was that was a
• 35:14
  statement to the fans and to the critics, and then this was a
• 35:17
  statement to the fans several years later to say we've
• 35:20
  changed, we've got to move on. I am looking at some of these
• 35:26
  songs as I'm scrolling Everything Must Go to the top,
• 35:30
  and I'm just like, oh, man, I don't have that one.
• 35:33
  I don't have that one. Oh, no.
• 35:37
  But I do have this one, and it's in Everything Must Go.
• 35:40
  All right, Brian. Let's see, let me.
• 35:52
  So. You had done kind of a political
• 35:55
  song before. I was going to.
• 35:58
  That's definitely hitting, hitting the times.
• 36:05
  I feel like this one is also hitting the times here.
• 36:08
  If you tolerate this, your children will be next.
• 36:13
  Yeah. Which I believe the the video
• 36:19
  that Peter said was on Beavis and Butt Head I.
• 36:22
  Yeah, I pray. That was a single here.
• 36:24
  I it didn't sound familiar to me, but I don't know, I didn't
• 36:30
  get a lot of like variety of music here in my small state.
• 36:35
  I think it was their first number one.
• 36:38
  I might be wrong, but I think it is that.
• 36:40
  I'm not sure whether the MASH one got to #1 but I think it was
• 36:43
  their first number one. Can I tell you the story behind
• 36:47
  it? Always.
• 36:50
  I'll mention Malik, she preaches relationship with Welshness.
• 36:55
  This is a Deed Gold dairy episode after all.
• 36:58
  I'll mention their relationship with Welshness a little bit
• 37:00
  later in relation to a different song, but this has a very strong
• 37:05
  element of Welshness. This is about Welsh miners
• 37:11
  deciding to go and volunteer to fight against the fascists in
• 37:15
  the Spanish Civil War. Oh.
• 37:16
  Wow. And the lines about, you know,
• 37:20
  if I can shoot rabbits, then I can shoot fascists.
• 37:24
  And it was that it was that element of political
• 37:26
  responsibility and political empathy with sort of oppressed
• 37:33
  brothers in faraway lands. And yeah, Lord of Welsh Miners
• 37:37
  went and went and volunteered and fought against Franco in in
• 37:40
  the Spanish Civil War. So that's what that's about to
• 37:42
  remember in there. They're they're sacrifice, I
• 37:46
  guess. Wow, had no idea.
• 37:48
  Obviously I had no idea. All right, I think I'll try
• 38:00
  another. Everything must go track.
• 38:02
  How about a design for life? Yeah.
• 38:08
  Yeah. Hey.
• 38:11
  Wow. Hey.
• 38:14
  Yeah, really important song was there.
• 38:17
  Probably their commercial breakthrough, their big kind of
• 38:20
  mainstream commercial breakthrough got to #2 but it
• 38:23
  was the first song of theirs to go platinum held off of #1 I
• 38:27
  looked this up by Return of the Mac.
• 38:29
  Did did you have that song Mark? Mark Morrison.
• 38:32
  Turn of the Mac, yeah. Yeah, but it was the first, you
• 38:42
  know, they got to like #16 #22 that kind of thing in this sort
• 38:46
  of the mainstream charts. But this got to number 2 and
• 38:48
  was. And around that time there was a
• 38:51
  big movement called Cool Camry. It was a little bit of an
• 38:54
  aftermath, the Brit pop when a lot of Welsh bands started
• 38:57
  coming through and they were kind of like the one of the
• 39:01
  floor bearers of that. And this was kind of their big
• 39:05
  orchestral kind of anthem of the cool Camry era.
• 39:09
  So you had Stereophonics, Catatonia, Super Furry Animals
• 39:14
  among Feeder, loads of Welsh bands that that sort of broke
• 39:18
  into the into the mainstream and this was their kind of anthem
• 39:21
  for that time. So.
• 39:24
  Just like that, we're at 4 Christian.
• 39:30
  OK, I want to say something about the Holy Bible.
• 39:33
  We've all said we liked it. It is my favorite, but I don't
• 39:38
  consider it as a musical album. I I can.
• 39:42
  When I listen to the hobby Bible, I feel like I'm I'm
• 39:47
  absorbing a work of art. Sorry if that sounds really over
• 39:52
  the top and, and exaggerated, but and it's, it's a, it's, it's
• 39:57
  a sort of a political social treatise.
• 40:00
  It's, it's more than just music that I mean, I said that, yes,
• 40:04
  sets the tone for it. And you know, you get, so you
• 40:10
  get exploitation of the sex industry, you get anorexia, you
• 40:14
  get not one but two songs about World War 2 concentration camps.
• 40:18
  You get songs about self harm, You get songs about serial
• 40:22
  killers, You get songs about, you know, white American
• 40:27
  imperialism. You get songs about political
• 40:31
  correctness. It's every song is heavy duty.
• 40:36
  You are getting a lesson in history and politics when you
• 40:39
  listen to that album. So I absolutely, I absolutely
• 40:43
  love it. Ironically, I've got less off
• 40:46
  this album than I have off some of the others, which is really,
• 40:48
  really weird. But I'm going to play a song off
• 40:50
  this. Which one should I play?
• 40:55
  OK, I mentioned 2 songs. I mean, out of all of those
• 40:59
  heavy topics, obviously the heaviest of the heavy are the
• 41:03
  concentration camp songs. They went to Belson.
• 41:07
  I think you know some bands when they go on tour to like Germany
• 41:11
  and Poland and they go and they go drinking.
• 41:13
  Now the manic spent and visited Belson and Auschwitz or I think
• 41:18
  a couple of of the the concentration camps and they
• 41:22
  have two songs on the album and I needed to pick.
• 41:26
  I couldn't bring 2. That would be way too
• 41:28
  depressing. I would have preferred it if
• 41:31
  they'd actually merged the two of them into one kind of big
• 41:33
  double song. That would be that would have
• 41:34
  been amazing, but I brought the one that's the most accessible.
• 41:39
  The the topic is super heavy. I think the title of the other
• 41:43
  one describes the theme better, which is the intense humming of
• 41:48
  evil, but I brought mausoleum. They don't have that.
• 41:56
  And I didn't, I didn't pick up on that at all.
• 42:01
  For some, I mean, I'm not my, my father's Jewish.
• 42:05
  I'm, I'm, I'm of Jewish descent, my last name Cohen.
• 42:10
  But like, I never, I never picked up on that at all.
• 42:17
  I'm not even wow. Those, those two songs, they,
• 42:21
  they, they were the intense humming of evil.
• 42:23
  They just felt that there was this, this hum about the place
• 42:26
  that you knew that the historical significance of what
• 42:28
  happened. And then the chorus of mausoleum
• 42:30
  is no birds. And they said that they didn't
• 42:32
  notice any wildlife there. And it, they didn't see insects.
• 42:35
  They didn't, they couldn't hear birds singing.
• 42:37
  It's as if the like the, the gravity and the, the weight of
• 42:42
  the past was, was haunting the actual play and no birds.
• 42:46
  The sky is swollen black. And then, you know, they they
• 42:51
  love a they love a quote in their songs.
• 42:53
  And but I think it's it's an author.
• 42:55
  I can't remember JJJ ballad. I think it is.
• 42:58
  I can't remember who it is, but it's I wanted to rub the human
• 43:00
  face in its own vomit and force it to look in the mirror.
• 43:04
  Just that kind. And that was kind of their kind
• 43:08
  of nihilist attitudes at the time as well in terms of that's
• 43:12
  what the album's all about. It's turning the mirror on
• 43:14
  society. And I mentioned all the heavy
• 43:16
  themes and going look what you do as as mankind.
• 43:20
  It's, it's, it's horrific. You know, it's a, it's a tough
• 43:24
  lesson, but like I say, I, I, I, I, I feel like I'm, I'm taking
• 43:30
  on board a piece of art when I listen to that album, so.
• 43:35
  I don't have it, but I want to back you up here because I'm I,
• 43:39
  I didn't mention this when we we talked about getting getting
• 43:42
  down to 20, but like I feel like some were, you know, I say the
• 43:47
  word easy, but like easy. But like the last, like I think
• 43:52
  6 or 7 getting down from 27 down to 20 was miserable.
• 43:58
  And this is one of the songs that was in that for sure in
• 44:01
  that seven. It may have been like the last
• 44:04
  one to go. I had it really high on my list.
• 44:09
  It just ultimately didn't make it.
• 44:11
  I, I didn't catch much like Brian Orson.
• 44:14
  I didn't catch that part of it, but like something about it was
• 44:22
  dark and definitely had my attention.
• 44:25
  I just again, this is five really good records that we that
• 44:30
  we have here that were kind of. Spreading 100%.
• 44:35
  Just kind of easy to get get lost in it.
• 44:37
  So all right, so unfortunately mausoleum goes in the bin.
• 44:41
  That sucks, but Brian. Jeez, OK, I'm going to go to
• 44:49
  gold against soul. I don't think we've gone there
• 44:52
  yet. Let's go with sleep flower.
• 44:57
  It's. A very good one.
• 44:59
  I don't have it though. No, no gold against the soul,
• 45:05
  please. No, sorry, no.
• 45:11
  This is the thing, right? I don't dislike the album but at
• 45:14
  the time I did but it is my least favorite out of the five I
• 45:18
  got. You.
• 45:20
  Yeah, it was. It was the one I went back to
• 45:22
  the least, I would say out of the five, out of the five of
• 45:25
  these. All right, let me try a
• 45:34
  generation terrorists track. How about Love's sweet exile?
• 45:42
  No. I don't.
• 45:44
  Wow. All right.
• 45:46
  Yeah, Ben. I've got I've got a lot from the
• 45:49
  harbour, but I don't have that it it's fine.
• 45:52
  It's I love the intro Nikki. I think it's Nikki.
• 45:56
  Between the Billboard masturbation, there lies the
• 45:58
  highways of metallic isolation. There's these.
• 46:01
  It is strong, thick Welsh valleys accent.
• 46:04
  I love those spoken word intros. But yeah, that's didn't get it.
• 46:11
  Yeah, I I definitely like, I, I don't want to become positive.
• 46:14
  I didn't like that. I liked that record.
• 46:17
  It was just that the there was so much, there was stuff that
• 46:22
  was felt so much stronger to me on the ones after it.
• 46:26
  But like I immediately got hit with the sound.
• 46:28
  I'm like, this sounds like the cult like who I'm a big fan of
• 46:31
  or like, you know, you know, just to go, you know, with
• 46:34
  another like British band. We were, we were, we were kind
• 46:38
  of comparing it to to Guns and Roses as well.
• 46:40
  But yeah, like that, that Guns and Roses cult kind of sound
• 46:45
  like, you know, Billy, Billy Idol.
• 46:47
  Like I kind of, I kind of got all that, all that feel in that
• 46:50
  first record. I like all those artists.
• 46:53
  They they said they wanted to be a cross between Guns and Roses
• 46:55
  and The Clash. So all of these Guns and Roses
• 46:58
  references, they would absolutely love.
• 47:00
  Awesome. So not not incorrect, but I was
• 47:04
  incorrect because love sweet exile goes into the bin,
• 47:08
  Christian. OK, I've still got so much to
• 47:12
  talk about guys, I'm really sorry.
• 47:15
  So. So I will play a song that I
• 47:16
  probably don't need to talk about too much.
• 47:20
  I just absolutely adore this song.
• 47:25
  Sappy time. It makes me think of my mum.
• 47:28
  I mentioned my mum on the Hootie and the Blowfish episode and
• 47:33
  yeah, I'm not my mum's favorite song from Hootie and the
• 47:36
  Blowfish got put in the bin, so I'm probably on the on shaky
• 47:39
  ground. This is the B side that I wanted
• 47:42
  to play. I just think it's a gorgeous
• 47:44
  song. The the melodies are gorgeous.
• 47:46
  The the lyrics are gorgeous. Our mother Saints I.
• 47:49
  Got it. Yeah.
• 47:51
  Oh, you had that? I don't have it.
• 47:54
  Wow, I did not expect anyone to take any of the B sides.
• 47:57
  I am delighted. It is it is.
• 47:59
  I can't believe it's not on an album.
• 48:01
  And ironically it's from the Gold against the soul era which
• 48:04
  was my least favorite. But it I it I, it's a beautiful
• 48:08
  song. I yeah, I.
• 48:11
  I I think called I know in the ministry preaches it might be
• 48:13
  full of like cynicism and. I, you know, again, not being
• 48:20
  able to to dive in completely on the lyrics to kind of understand
• 48:25
  if if, if it meets what it what the face value of our mother
• 48:30
  Saints. You know that that idea, but
• 48:34
  like calling it that immediately put it on on my radar.
• 48:39
  Like just immediately I'm like, well, yes, they are.
• 48:42
  So let's let's listen. And musically it it, it held me.
• 48:49
  I didn't have the time. I guess I probably could have
• 48:51
  made time to dive in lyrically. But yeah, I got it.
• 48:54
  It's got a 2. So it gets to hang out, Brian.
• 49:01
  All right, I'm going to go back to Everything Must Go because I
• 49:07
  like when you get you get double bang for your buck to get you
• 49:11
  get. I was like when a song has a
• 49:13
  slash in it and I'm getting 2 songs the price of 1 Innova
• 49:18
  alone. I got it.
• 49:21
  Yeah, I got it. It's a great song.
• 49:23
  That is one that did not come from the Internet that that's
• 49:27
  one that I've kind of been staying away from because I
• 49:29
  wasn't sure if you guys would have it.
• 49:31
  And here it is all the way through.
• 49:33
  Interesting. Interesting.
• 49:37
  Very much so. Apparently, sorry I'm full of
• 49:40
  facts, because for Christmas I had a book that was recently
• 49:45
  released called 168 Songs of Hatred and Failure, The History
• 49:49
  of Ministry, Preachers in Songs. And apparently this song is
• 49:53
  about Nikki looking at his wedding photo and seeing all the
• 49:57
  people that had asked and that kind of feeling of, I don't
• 50:02
  know, loneliness, I guess, Apparently.
• 50:06
  Apparently that's what it's about.
• 50:08
  But yeah, it's great song. There we go.
• 50:12
  Inola alone is in. So we have, we have, we have 3
• 50:16
  from that record through huh? Yeah, which makes sense.
• 50:20
  I mean, it's, it's a sad but true statement.
• 50:23
  Like if, if I were to give somebody a record, that would be
• 50:28
  the one. And then I'd say also go back to
• 50:30
  Holy Bible because that's excellent as well.
• 50:33
  Right? Right.
• 50:34
  But you know, that's me as a new year.
• 50:36
  So all right, shift that around. And fellas, we're already at
• 50:43
  Brian's 5, so we can only do better from here.
• 50:50
  I'll go to Holy Bible. I keep looking at this one and I
• 50:54
  keep scrolling past it and it is also another one that nobody
• 50:58
  answered on the Internet so I wasn't sure about it.
• 51:00
  So how about she is suffering? Yes.
• 51:06
  No, I don't have that. I'll take it to you there.
• 51:10
  Boom and Christian need. To find that on my list, put
• 51:18
  that in the 2. All right.
• 51:21
  OK, OK. So I mentioned the makeup of the
• 51:27
  band earlier on. You had Nikki and Richie.
• 51:29
  Nikki is over time, become a good musician.
• 51:32
  Ritchie, I think was always more interested in the politics than
• 51:36
  the band. But Shawn is the very incapless
• 51:40
  drummer, trumpet player, please trumpet on Kevin Carter.
• 51:44
  James Dean Bradfield is one of the most underrated songwriters,
• 51:51
  musicians, and particularly guitarists in the world, in my
• 51:56
  opinion. He might be my favorite
• 51:58
  guitarist, and that's a big, that's a big call.
• 52:04
  He is an incredible guitarist and think that effectively is
• 52:11
  the only guitarist in the band. He's one of those rare and a
• 52:16
  breeze that plays lead and rhythm at the same time and
• 52:19
  sings. But his guitar work from the
• 52:23
  from the beginning has been phenomenal, which for this shy
• 52:27
  kid who grew up with, you know, seen pictures of when he's with
• 52:32
  glasses and a patch on one eye and from Blackwood, the Welsh
• 52:35
  valleys. His skills are incredible.
• 52:40
  And I've met James as well. I've met James and Sean, bumped
• 52:43
  into them on the street in Cardiff after.
• 52:46
  I want to say it was Pearl Jam gig, maybe Pearl Jam, maybe Foo
• 52:50
  Fighters, I can't remember. But just walking along and we
• 52:53
  were like shit it's James, James and Shawn from and had a chat
• 52:56
  with them. Just just the nicest people so
• 53:00
  down to earth. Anyway, the best example I can
• 53:04
  give, I'm not sure whether it's going to hit as a song, but the
• 53:08
  best example I can give of just giving someone a song to say,
• 53:13
  listen to that song and listen to how good a guitarist James D
• 53:16
  Bradfield is, is condemned to Rock'n'roll, which is the last
• 53:20
  song of Generation Terrorists. I don't have.
• 53:24
  Any I had that on my first pass. But yeah, I definitely did.
• 53:28
  I I I remember that title. It's I, I, I get it, I get it.
• 53:34
  You know, the songs go, it's not catchy, but it has, it just goes
• 53:37
  on. He just, it's a six to seven
• 53:39
  minute song and like 5 minutes of it is him just playing
• 53:43
  different movements. You know, I remember on the
• 53:47
  Suicidal Tendencies episode I mentioned Suicycle mania.
• 53:50
  There was like one song where I counted 16 different refs.
• 53:53
  It's like that. It's, it's got dark, it's got
• 53:55
  light. It's, yeah, it's, it's an
• 53:59
  incredible performance. And that's as I say, I, I, I
• 54:02
  would have planned to flag for James Dean Bradfield as a
• 54:04
  guitarist because he is incredible.
• 54:07
  That's usually the type of song I would take too.
• 54:09
  I think I didn't take it because, you know, because I'm
• 54:14
  big into like Prague, like metal and stuff.
• 54:16
  And sure, yeah. A lot of like, you know, you
• 54:19
  know, Tool, Porcupine Tree, Wheel, like Pineapple Thief, A
• 54:24
  lot of these, you know, bands with these long thing is that
• 54:27
  I'm like, Oh well, no one else is going to like that except for
• 54:29
  me. Yeah.
• 54:32
  And I don't usually like those type of songs, but I could, I
• 54:35
  could just listen to it. I just listen to it all day.
• 54:38
  Yeah. All right, unfortunately for
• 54:40
  Christian, in the bin it goes, but the flag has been planted.
• 54:45
  So if if you're listening, you know what?
• 54:47
  Hooray, Brian. I think this was the first song
• 54:53
  on This Is My Truth, and As soon as I went over to This is My
• 54:58
  Truth from Everything Must Go, I was like, Oh my God, we're going
• 55:01
  to, we're going to, we're going to have another freaking awesome
• 55:04
  album, The Everlasting. I don't have it.
• 55:10
  All right, no, sorry. It's a great song but just
• 55:14
  didn't make it. The first Benner for you, Brian.
• 55:19
  No sleep, fire was my first 12. Ben, that's right.
• 55:25
  All right, I'm going to go with one that got an answer because I
• 55:35
  mean, I still have like 5 that people have answered.
• 55:44
  How about Motown junk? No.
• 55:51
  I feel bad I don't have it, but I know it's like a real, you
• 55:54
  know, I said about the fans really love the B sides.
• 55:56
  I know that's a really important song, but I couldn't find room
• 55:59
  for it all. Right in the bin he goes boom.
• 56:06
  All right, Christian. OK.
• 56:09
  I think before we run our rounds, I mentioned earlier on I
• 56:12
  needed to talk about the manic St. features relationship with
• 56:15
  Welshness. I think they kind of shield away
• 56:17
  from it early because they didn't want to be seen as that
• 56:20
  kind of, I think as that kind of parochial Welsh kind of
• 56:26
  stereotypes. They wanted to, you know, get
• 56:29
  away from that. But I think as they've
• 56:31
  established themselves and they've matured, they've they've
• 56:34
  embraced their Welshness and you can see it as the as the albums
• 56:38
  come along, you start to see more and more references.
• 56:40
  And when I saw them sort of night before onwards, Nikki had
• 56:43
  like a Welsh flag on his bass amp.
• 56:45
  And it's not, it's quite subtle, it's not overt, but it's it has
• 56:51
  grown in terms of their references in their songs.
• 56:54
  This song, it's got quite a lot of Welshness in it.
• 56:58
  It's about something that happened in the Sixties, 50s and
• 57:03
  60s that effectively sowed the seeds of the Welsh independence
• 57:07
  movement. And as you know, we're part of
• 57:10
  the United Kingdom, but there is a movement with a lot of support
• 57:14
  for independence. There is graffiti coming out of
• 57:20
  this incident in mid Wales which has been sort of replicated over
• 57:23
  the years in various places in Wales to represent the Welsh
• 57:26
  independence movement. And it's it says Kovyuk
• 57:29
  Drewerin. In the late 50's the Liverpool
• 57:34
  City Council presented a private bill to the UK government to
• 57:39
  flood a Welsh valley in North Wales to provide a reservoir to
• 57:43
  provide water for the city of Liverpool. 35 out of 36 Welsh
• 57:51
  MPs in the government voted against it and the one who
• 57:53
  didn't vote against it abstained.
• 57:55
  So not one of the 36 elected Welsh representatives in the UK
• 57:59
  government voted to pass this motion, and yet it was passed by
• 58:03
  a majority. So in the 60s this village in
• 58:08
  North Wales with a school, with a Chapel, with houses, with a
• 58:11
  library, with a pub, was effectively drowned.
• 58:16
  It's to make a reservoir for the city of Liverpool.
• 58:19
  And people say that it's so the seeds of the independence
• 58:23
  movement. And if and if eventually the the
• 58:27
  devolution, which meant that we got our own devolved parliament
• 58:32
  in the late 90s. Anyway, the song is ready for
• 58:38
  drowning. Yeah, I got that.
• 58:41
  Oh wow, that's cool. I don't but because.
• 58:45
  Again, it, you know, it's, it's the story and what it means.
• 58:49
  It's that as I say that that story is what anyone who is
• 58:54
  Welsh and has, I don't want to say anti English sentiment, but
• 58:58
  that, you know, that's too strong.
• 58:59
  But you know, there is a there is a rivalry between Wales and
• 59:04
  England and there's a lot of people who who feel that we
• 59:07
  should be independent. And I think that seed was sown
• 59:10
  very much with with, with, with this incident.
• 59:13
  He references Patagonia in the song.
• 59:15
  I don't know if you picked that up.
• 59:16
  I'd go to Patagonia. And again, if you if you didn't
• 59:19
  know, Patagonia is a region in Argentina where there is a
• 59:24
  lively, vibrant Welsh and Welsh speaking community.
• 59:28
  So there was a, an emigration a couple of 100 years ago.
• 59:31
  People go in to find a better life.
• 59:33
  And they ended up in Argentina and they settled in Patagonia.
• 59:36
  And you can go to Patagonia today and eat cake and drink tea
• 59:39
  in a Welsh tea room and speak Welsh with all the locals.
• 59:42
  I know of at least a couple of people who've married
• 59:46
  Argentinian girls and they speak in Welsh and not in English.
• 59:51
  So that's another little quirk of Welshness that's referenced
• 59:53
  in that song. And in the intro.
• 59:57
  He he says, not in the intro, in the start of the song, he says,
• 1:00:01
  if I sorry for the singing, he says, yeah, it's a true story.
• 1:00:06
  Said someone to be yesterday, said he heard it in a taxi.
• 1:00:09
  And his James Welsh accent really comes out.
• 1:00:13
  And we say yeared, we pronounce the words year as in 12 months,
• 1:00:19
  year as in the thing that you listen with on your on your head
• 1:00:23
  and year as in the place where you are right now.
• 1:00:25
  We say all those things the same, the same way.
• 1:00:27
  And that that that really comes out in the song.
• 1:00:30
  So there's there's loads a little kind of the song is
• 1:00:33
  obviously about a really important event in Welsh
• 1:00:34
  political history, but there's loads of little Welsh isms in
• 1:00:37
  that song as well. So I'm glad it got a two.
• 1:00:39
  Wow. And I mean, as it stands right
• 1:00:42
  now, it's the 10th song with two or better.
• 1:00:47
  So as of right now, well, you know, Brian would have the final
• 1:00:51
  say, but yeah, technically it would be in so Wow, Wild.
• 1:00:59
  I I, I need to let you know I fucking love this Christian.
• 1:01:04
  I this it it's astonishing the the shit you know about this
• 1:01:09
  band and it's really giving like a whole different like the music
• 1:01:15
  got me. And the fact that there was even
• 1:01:19
  more to it than than just just the the Justin surface level.
• 1:01:25
  Hey, man, these guitars are cool.
• 1:01:27
  Is really yeah, doing something for me.
• 1:01:30
  I mean, I, like I said, I I want to get it across because it is
• 1:01:34
  so important to the story of this.
• 1:01:36
  But I mean, I've talked about James as a guitarist and as a
• 1:01:39
  musician and Sean, but anything, the lyrics behind the monastery.
• 1:01:43
  But this is this is poetry to music, OK.
• 1:01:45
  And I hope I'm not exaggerating for that.
• 1:01:47
  And I hope it's not boring for anyone listening.
• 1:01:49
  But I like to think that knowing the kind of the stories behind
• 1:01:52
  behind the songs, when, when, when there is such a depth.
• 1:01:55
  And I'm I mentioned about the Holy Bible being like a word of
• 1:01:57
  art or political treaties. It really is.
• 1:01:59
  I mean, you're getting an education when you listen to the
• 1:02:01
  monastery preachers. And I didn't realise it until,
• 1:02:04
  you know, a couple years in, but they, as I think as history goes
• 1:02:10
  on, particularly in, people will realise more and more how, how
• 1:02:15
  good a, how good a band, both musically and lyrically, They,
• 1:02:18
  they, they still are, you know, So it's really, it's, it's
• 1:02:21
  really good that I'm getting the opportunity to, to mention some
• 1:02:24
  of those things. Yeah, Brian.
• 1:02:29
  OK. Wow.
• 1:02:31
  OK. I know, right?
• 1:02:33
  I know I'm getting a whole like history lesson here on on Wales.
• 1:02:40
  I like that. Like I always, I always like the
• 1:02:42
  episodes where the people are like I always say I got I go
• 1:02:45
  back to like to like The Tragically Hip, only because the
• 1:02:48
  people on your panel were so passionate about the band it it
• 1:02:53
  turned me into a fan of them. Canadians love them.
• 1:02:58
  Yeah, and they, you know, knew the band that's massive in, you
• 1:03:02
  know, a country literally, you know, you know, freaking 200
• 1:03:07
  miles from my house. Yeah, it's, it's not really a
• 1:03:10
  big thing here. Yeah.
• 1:03:12
  So all right, I'll go back to Generation Terrorists.
• 1:03:16
  How about stay beautiful? I don't have it.
• 1:03:25
  I love it. I love it.
• 1:03:27
  It's part of a set. It's part of a set of songs that
• 1:03:31
  are very similar that I picked one from and it wasn't.
• 1:03:34
  That one all right, Boom, boom, you.
• 1:03:40
  Didn't have a Justin? Nope, can't save you.
• 1:03:42
  Sorry. All right, I'm going to go back
• 1:03:47
  to Holy Bible. How about Revol?
• 1:03:54
  No. It's part of a set of songs that
• 1:03:57
  I put set together and I didn't pick that same story, I took a
• 1:04:02
  different one. All right.
• 1:04:03
  I love it but. Into the bin.
• 1:04:07
  Not the one I pin, not the one I picked.
• 1:04:11
  All right, Christian. OK, let me put revol into my bin
• 1:04:18
  list. OK, so much to mention that I
• 1:04:24
  OK, right generation terrorists. This song kind of stands out.
• 1:04:30
  It's a, it's a duet and the band again, it's it's another one
• 1:04:38
  earlier. I think it's about not so much
• 1:04:40
  the exploitation and kind of the overtly the overt criticism of
• 1:04:44
  the sex industry that yes, is, but it's a it's a, it's a
• 1:04:47
  treatise on the exploitation of women and womanhood.
• 1:04:52
  The band wanted to get Kylie Minogue to sing it and and
• 1:04:57
  surprisingly for a band on their first album who weren't very
• 1:05:00
  well known, got short shrift. They eventually got someone
• 1:05:03
  called Tracy Lords, who I believe.
• 1:05:07
  And the band again allegedly says they they've never heard of
• 1:05:11
  her, but she was a porn star. Yeah.
• 1:05:16
  To sing. Yeah.
• 1:05:17
  I, I this is news to me. And the band will always say the
• 1:05:22
  same thing when when people ask them about it, they say, no, we
• 1:05:24
  we didn't know who she was. So Tracy Lord sings the the, the
• 1:05:29
  female piece in this. And but I think it's it stands
• 1:05:31
  out in Generation Terrorists. It's got another strong message.
• 1:05:35
  And I just think it's a good song.
• 1:05:36
  Little baby nothing. I don't have it.
• 1:05:40
  Yeah, I. Don't.
• 1:05:42
  It wasn't on my first pass, but like it is a song that as I was
• 1:05:46
  listening beforehand, I was like, man, I probably should
• 1:05:49
  have taken a little bit more of this record.
• 1:05:51
  It was it was on my radar just before we went on.
• 1:05:57
  So I mean, that doesn't do any good, but does let you know that
• 1:06:00
  it was it could have, it could have eked its way back in if, if
• 1:06:05
  I was willing to to do the work to figure out what could go so.
• 1:06:10
  Did she actually? She actually sang in the song,
• 1:06:12
  you said. She loved singing, Yeah.
• 1:06:15
  Yeah. Yeah, she's kind of a
• 1:06:17
  controversial figure. She actually, I don't know, I
• 1:06:21
  don't know how I know all this, but she answered like the porn
• 1:06:25
  industry at like 15 years old. Yeah.
• 1:06:29
  She had a fake ID and she was, there was, yeah.
• 1:06:33
  There's a whole thing with her and Mötley Crüe that I yeah, you
• 1:06:36
  won't get into it. Maybe.
• 1:06:39
  I have my things about Mötley Crüe and they're underage
• 1:06:42
  exploits. So, all right, Brian.
• 1:06:48
  Oh, that's me. All right.
• 1:06:53
  I'm I'm going to go back to gold against Seoul.
• 1:06:54
  I know we weren't huge on it, but I'm going to go with the
• 1:06:58
  title track Gold against Soul. I do not have that one.
• 1:07:03
  No, not for me. Thank you.
• 1:07:07
  Very. Kind I was trying.
• 1:07:10
  To take a lot of. Different albums, it's fine,
• 1:07:13
  it's fine. But it's just, yeah, it wasn't
• 1:07:16
  going to get anything here. I got you.
• 1:07:19
  All right. I think at this point we
• 1:07:21
  probably got like maybe two more.
• 1:07:25
  Hold on, let me do account 123 45678.
• 1:07:30
  Yeah, like maybe two more rounds before we do the dump out.
• 1:07:35
  OK. And.
• 1:07:38
  I'm going to go. Where is this?
• 1:07:43
  I'll go with this is my truth track.
• 1:07:45
  How about nobody loved you? I know.
• 1:07:51
  No. OK, into the bin, Dang it.
• 1:07:55
  All right, I, I definitely have a couple that might be, might be
• 1:08:00
  homers that I've I've just been holding on to.
• 1:08:03
  So, all right, Christian. OK, OK, I'm going to go to Holy
• 1:08:15
  Bible. This song is always like, I
• 1:08:18
  don't want to get too deep about the politics, but when you get
• 1:08:22
  into the Holy Bible, you kind of you can't avoid it really.
• 1:08:25
  But there's that, there's that theory, isn't it?
• 1:08:28
  That political theory is not a spectrum.
• 1:08:33
  It's more of a circle and it kind of meets background on the
• 1:08:38
  other side. Now the manic St. creatures have
• 1:08:41
  always been really super left wing in their kind of I believe
• 1:08:47
  if I've again, if I've understood that kind of their
• 1:08:51
  their messaging correctly. And this song is super right
• 1:08:56
  wing because it talks about basically supporting capital
• 1:09:02
  punishment. And it just I just felt like it
• 1:09:05
  it didn't, it never sat right with me.
• 1:09:08
  So it's about serial killer. It lists a load of serial
• 1:09:10
  killers and it basically says, yeah, just basically string them
• 1:09:13
  up. And it was also like just
• 1:09:16
  doesn't seem to fit with their kind of politics.
• 1:09:19
  But then I can almost hear like Rich Richie or Nikki going,
• 1:09:24
  well, we're not interested in amazing positive.
• 1:09:26
  We're just big. We're just one big
• 1:09:27
  contradiction. You know, I can, I can sort of
• 1:09:29
  hear them kind of saying we say what we, you know, and it is
• 1:09:32
  that kind of we're not, you know, we're not fitting into any
• 1:09:35
  model of, of political beliefs. We'll we'll believe in what we
• 1:09:38
  say and that kind of thing. But anyway, it's got a totally
• 1:09:42
  evil baseline which kind of fits with the fits with the theme to
• 1:09:46
  theme theme of it. Archives pay.
• 1:09:53
  Yeah, yeah. All right, we'll take that too.
• 1:09:56
  I don't have it. Yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm left
• 1:10:00
  wing. But I, I'm, I'm, I'm now that we
• 1:10:03
  have DNA and everything. I I I'm I'm fine saving money
• 1:10:09
  and not keeping scumbags alive and feeding them.
• 1:10:15
  Understand. Even though, even though I'm
• 1:10:17
  fully left wing, I, I just, I just don't believe that that
• 1:10:20
  some things that are politicized here in America should be
• 1:10:24
  politicized. Human rights should be
• 1:10:27
  politicized. But but yeah, I, I, yeah, hang
• 1:10:33
  them all. I got you, I got you.
• 1:10:37
  All right, So that gets a 2, which does mean we are having a
• 1:10:40
  conversation one way that well, I guess technically we're not.
• 1:10:44
  You know we have to because we we'd have to trim out two to
• 1:10:47
  make room for Brian's. I'll say so.
• 1:10:50
  Yeah, Somebody better. Yeah.
• 1:10:51
  Yeah, we better get another one because I really don't want,
• 1:10:54
  I'll say, on a on a, on a band that Christian is like a super
• 1:10:58
  fan of. Yeah.
• 1:11:00
  All right, screw it up. You're up.
• 1:11:03
  You you got a chance to get one in here?
• 1:11:05
  Yeah. OK, let's do it.
• 1:11:10
  Let's do be natural. No, no, not for me all.
• 1:11:21
  Right. Where is?
• 1:11:23
  Try again? Yeah, where is?
• 1:11:25
  That this is my truth. Gotcha.
• 1:11:27
  This is my truth, yeah. All right, well, I've been
• 1:11:36
  holding on to these and these were ones that I got as an
• 1:11:39
  answer, so I feel like it has a good shot, but who knows?
• 1:11:45
  How about Australia? And I knew you were gonna say
• 1:11:50
  that. I knew you were gonna say that.
• 1:11:52
  Yeah. I have it.
• 1:11:53
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:58
  Big ultimate kind of escapism song when you.
• 1:12:01
  You know, in the UK when you ask someone about what, what's the
• 1:12:05
  furthest kind of place that they can think of?
• 1:12:08
  It's for us, it's Australia. And it's that sense of I want to
• 1:12:11
  just run and I want to get away to Australia.
• 1:12:13
  And that means something to me as well.
• 1:12:14
  I think I've mentioned before being to Australia a few times,
• 1:12:18
  my, my wife's family, my, my wife has family there.
• 1:12:21
  And it does feel like that kind of, if I needed to just ever
• 1:12:24
  escape, that's just somewhere that I would, if I need to get
• 1:12:28
  as far away from my kind of my, my, my vibe and my, my life and
• 1:12:32
  my shit as possible, I would get on a plane to Australia.
• 1:12:37
  And it really captures that, that sentiment.
• 1:12:40
  I think that you just spoke into existence or at least into my
• 1:12:51
  conscience of what it is about Australia to me.
• 1:12:55
  And I, my guess is I've, I've never done like the 23andMe or,
• 1:13:00
  or any of those, but from the genetics that I am aware of and
• 1:13:07
  considering I am literally my grandmother was born in, in
• 1:13:11
  England, she, she's British. So like I am at at minimum 25%
• 1:13:17
  British, right? So my guess is that a good
• 1:13:23
  majority of my family comes from Britain and I think that that
• 1:13:30
  might be part of my love affair with Australia.
• 1:13:35
  That same reason of it's the farthest away I can think of to
• 1:13:39
  get away. And that would be a change.
• 1:13:42
  I mean, there's more reasons to it now, but like, I think that
• 1:13:46
  may have been my initial draw to Australia.
• 1:13:50
  And I think that's what drew me to the song.
• 1:13:52
  Like you said, it kind of gives you that feeling.
• 1:13:55
  So interesting. We're going deep on on on this
• 1:14:02
  episode. I wouldn't have guessed, you
• 1:14:04
  know? Yeah, I would not have guessed.
• 1:14:07
  All right. So Australia was me, Christian.
• 1:14:14
  I really don't want to leave some of these on the border
• 1:14:17
  talking about them. I go with that.
• 1:14:20
  Should I go with that? OK, I'll go with.
• 1:14:23
  I'm not sure if it's going to hit, but it's a song that would
• 1:14:27
  never really anywhere near my list.
• 1:14:29
  And then when I was like actively listening, it's just,
• 1:14:33
  and again, looking at the lyrics and what it's about, it's
• 1:14:36
  heartbreaking. It's about animal rights.
• 1:14:39
  It's about zoos, animals and captivity.
• 1:14:42
  And it's told from the perspective of animals in a zoo.
• 1:14:46
  And it it gets me. It it gets me and it has got the
• 1:14:51
  most beautiful harp line in it, which again that that Welshness,
• 1:14:56
  that subtle nod to Wales, Wales harp, the harp and Wales is a
• 1:14:59
  very has a very close relationship culturally.
• 1:15:05
  So it's small black flowers that grow in the sky.
• 1:15:07
  No, I. Don't have that.
• 1:15:14
  OK. Sorry.
• 1:15:18
  No, but you could. You know what everything
• 1:15:20
  everything that goes in the bin is like there's there's such a
• 1:15:24
  depth and there's such a a a weight on every you know, this
• 1:15:29
  isn't a throwaway band and you know, in the circumstances, it's
• 1:15:33
  probably apartment that that's the case.
• 1:15:35
  I think, rather than a band that's got a lot of I love you,
• 1:15:39
  you love me this this band is the opposite of that.
• 1:15:43
  And that kind of feel, that kind of feels right.
• 1:15:47
  All right. I think this might be last
• 1:15:50
  chance here, Brian. All right, how about interiors?
• 1:15:57
  I don't. Have.
• 1:15:59
  That one everything must go. No.
• 1:16:02
  No. Nope, Nope, Nope.
• 1:16:08
  All right. I mean, it's not unheard of to
• 1:16:14
  knock one out in the dump out. So maybe, maybe.
• 1:16:18
  We'll get there. It happened.
• 1:16:20
  They could. But we'll find out, all right,
• 1:16:23
  because I still have like, I think it's like 7 left.
• 1:16:25
  I just feel like, you know, we're, we're running out of
• 1:16:29
  steam. So all right, I probably don't
• 1:16:33
  have Christian here, but who knows?
• 1:16:36
  How about from despair to where? Yeah.
• 1:16:41
  All right, I'll take it to you there.
• 1:16:42
  Oh, it was the lead single off gold against us all.
• 1:16:44
  It's OK. Oh, sorry, I put that in the
• 1:16:49
  trash. Sorry.
• 1:16:50
  That was very subconscious of me.
• 1:16:53
  For the record, that is an answer I got.
• 1:16:56
  In a 2. Yeah, that is an answer I got,
• 1:16:59
  and this one was as well. Life becoming a landslide.
• 1:17:05
  No. No.
• 1:17:07
  OK, and this one I'm pretty sure is going to go into the bin.
• 1:17:11
  How about nostalgic puss head? Oh, do you know what?
• 1:17:15
  That's my favorite song. That's my favorite song off Go
• 1:17:17
  Against the Soul. I nearly played it because I
• 1:17:22
  don't have anything from gold Against the Soul.
• 1:17:24
  Oh, I nearly played that because that is that is my favorite song
• 1:17:29
  of golds. It's great.
• 1:17:32
  Yeah. Well.
• 1:17:33
  It found me, so All right, we'll do.
• 1:17:35
  I'll take that bin. All right, moving on to
• 1:17:38
  Everything Must Go. I still have two left from that,
• 1:17:41
  crazily enough. How about Kevin Carter?
• 1:17:44
  No. It's a great song.
• 1:17:47
  Great. Another great, another great
• 1:17:49
  story about a Pulitzer Prize winning photographer who took a
• 1:17:54
  picture of a young, starving African girl with a vulture in
• 1:17:57
  the background when appealed to the prize and then killed
• 1:17:59
  himself from the guilt. Yeah.
• 1:18:03
  Wolf Yeah. Wolf, last one from that record.
• 1:18:09
  No surface, all feeling. Yep.
• 1:18:14
  No. All right, we'll.
• 1:18:16
  Take a 2 there and then last but not least, my last song is The
• 1:18:21
  Comfort Comes. No.
• 1:18:25
  Do do do do do. No I don't have it but played
• 1:18:29
  it. Into the bin.
• 1:18:32
  All right, so that means Brian's 5 is going to hold on.
• 1:18:35
  Wow. Yeah.
• 1:18:38
  I feel the weight of responsibility.
• 1:18:41
  I know. Especially knowing the the
• 1:18:46
  weight of some of these songs. Yeah, exactly.
• 1:18:49
  All right, Christian, if you want to go ahead and dump out
• 1:18:54
  here, OK. The song's about the UK banks
• 1:18:58
  and is a bit of a rant against them.
• 1:19:01
  The use of the imagery is very clever.
• 1:19:03
  Black Horse apocalypse. The Black Horse is the symbol of
• 1:19:06
  Lloyds Bank Barclays Iron Eagle. The iron eagle is a symbol of
• 1:19:11
  Barclays Bank NatWest, Barclays Midlands, Lloyds, the four main
• 1:19:14
  UK banks of the 1980s is what? Nope Is that?
• 1:19:22
  Is that a no just then? Yeah, I'm.
• 1:19:24
  Out. I'm done.
• 1:19:25
  Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, of course.
• 1:19:27
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:19:28
  Next one. Auton Generation Terrorists.
• 1:19:30
  Just because I love the guitar and the riffing is born to end.
• 1:19:35
  No, no. OK.
• 1:19:38
  Now I'm empty on generation two. Rest right now.
• 1:19:41
  OK, so you also don't have, you also don't have slack and burn
• 1:19:45
  then? No, but I really like that one a
• 1:19:48
  lot. Another one with brilliant
• 1:19:51
  guitar work riffing. The one I took instead of
• 1:19:54
  revolt. Just enough.
• 1:19:56
  Holy Bible was faster. Yep, I got it.
• 1:20:00
  All right. OK.
• 1:20:03
  And then one more which is off. This is My Truth which is about
• 1:20:08
  the story of 2 twin girls who ended up in high security
• 1:20:12
  prison. Interestingly enough, another
• 1:20:14
  really happy jolly 2 twin mute girls who ended up in Broadmoor
• 1:20:19
  which is the highest security prison in one of the higher
• 1:20:21
  security prisons in the UK. Tsunami.
• 1:20:25
  No. Man, all right into the bin,
• 1:20:30
  unfortunately. And then all these will
• 1:20:33
  definitely be bins, Brian, but we can find out what you got.
• 1:20:36
  Left. Yeah.
• 1:20:38
  From gold against soul. I had Symphony of Tourette left
• 1:20:42
  and then from This is my truth, I'm not working.
• 1:20:51
  Symphony of Tourette and then I'm not working.
• 1:20:55
  Come on, I'm not working. There it is.
• 1:21:02
  All right, So let's see what we got already through.
• 1:21:07
  Boom, boom, boom. Shifted this around.
• 1:21:12
  Don't do this to me. There you go.
• 1:21:15
  Unanimous. Good Lord.
• 1:21:20
  There we go. 5. So we've got.
• 1:21:22
  Yes. Everything must go.
• 1:21:23
  If you tolerate this, your children will be next.
• 1:21:26
  A design for life. Enola alone.
• 1:21:28
  So we're halfway there. We've got 3 already from
• 1:21:34
  everything Must go. My initial inclination is to
• 1:21:39
  like even even that out first. Let's see, what do we got here
• 1:21:43
  for twos? Motorcycle emptiness.
• 1:21:47
  If white America told the truth for once, our mother Saints, she
• 1:21:52
  is suffering. Ready for drowning.
• 1:21:55
  Archives of pain Australia from despair to wear no surface, all
• 1:22:02
  feeling and faster. So let me ask you this
• 1:22:05
  Christian, because we only have one with a 2 from gold against.
• 1:22:12
  Is album representation worth it?
• 1:22:16
  I know you didn't take anything from it because if not, we can
• 1:22:19
  lose from despair to wear and just kind of focus on everything
• 1:22:22
  else. I, I didn't take anything from
• 1:22:27
  it because as I mentioned, it was already a struggle to get
• 1:22:31
  down to 20 and that's my least favorite album.
• 1:22:33
  But I was kind of, there's a little bit of gameplay here
• 1:22:35
  because I thought, well, if you guys bring things from that
• 1:22:39
  album, then I'll let that kind of play out.
• 1:22:42
  So I, I wouldn't want to dismiss it, but I don't want to plant a
• 1:22:49
  flag for it either. I think the biggest issue from
• 1:22:52
  my perspective is looking at we don't have anything unanimous
• 1:22:56
  from generation terrorists. And the only thing that's even
• 1:22:59
  in the conversation for generation terrorists is
• 1:23:01
  motorcycle emptiness, which is. Wild.
• 1:23:05
  Which is such an anthem anyway, so.
• 1:23:09
  Let's that, yeah. That if, if we came out of this
• 1:23:12
  with nothing from generation terrorists, that would, yeah,
• 1:23:18
  sorry, it just has to happen so. Yeah, I agree on that.
• 1:23:22
  Yeah, that, that has to go. OK.
• 1:23:24
  Yeah. So is there anything else like
• 1:23:26
  kind of jumping out at you as at this point like we can't, we
• 1:23:31
  can't do anything else before we get this?
• 1:23:37
  It's a strange old discussion list again I.
• 1:23:48
  Think. I think because it's got such a
• 1:23:56
  story behind it and because of the, the gravity of the the
• 1:24:02
  story and the the fact that it probably for me anyway, speaks
• 1:24:07
  most about their, their, their Welshness, I would be tempted to
• 1:24:12
  push ready for drowning through. That's got to that's got to
• 1:24:18
  gravity for me. And then if I'm being completely
• 1:24:22
  selfish, armor the Saints. Because I just think more people
• 1:24:25
  should know about that song because it it is awesome.
• 1:24:29
  But yeah, that once we get past those two, there's nothing left
• 1:24:38
  in the discussion that I'm particularly strong on, if I'm
• 1:24:42
  honest. So that's where I that's where I
• 1:24:46
  am in terms of what's left in the discussion.
• 1:24:48
  So let me take point on our Mother Saints here for a second,
• 1:24:53
  because although technically it wasn't on gold against the soul,
• 1:24:56
  it is listed as as part. Of that, it's AB side.
• 1:25:02
  Yeah, it's AB side. So I think it kind of solves,
• 1:25:06
  you know that problem, right? Like it gets us something from
• 1:25:11
  that record even though it's technically not.
• 1:25:13
  I don't know, maybe. Yeah, in the.
• 1:25:19
  Plastic container is I I. Concur.
• 1:25:22
  OK, so let's grab our mother Saints and then look, knowing
• 1:25:29
  the story for Ready for Drowning.
• 1:25:31
  Really, really put some weight to it.
• 1:25:36
  And really, again, I, I just liked it on its surface level.
• 1:25:40
  Knowing that there's so much more to it really kind of opens
• 1:25:44
  my eyes to it. So I don't know how you feel
• 1:25:46
  about that one, Brian. You want to stand in the way of
• 1:25:50
  a town being drowned? No, I'm, I'm definitely for that
• 1:25:56
  one too, They said. You know, learning a lot of like
• 1:26:00
  the gravity of some of these songs really does add the extra
• 1:26:04
  element to it. All right, so that takes us up
• 1:26:08
  what? To what 8 Boom, yes.
• 1:26:13
  All right, I feel like we've got we've got it.
• 1:26:19
  We have to take a Holy Bible song here I feel like.
• 1:26:23
  We not have one. Well, I would.
• 1:26:25
  I we have. We have.
• 1:26:26
  Yes, we have. Yes.
• 1:26:28
  So but my my feeling is we have to have more than one.
• 1:26:33
  Yeah, so, well, spoiler, I'm probably going to take a song
• 1:26:37
  from Holy Bible. Oh, OK.
• 1:26:39
  So, so I'm so if you guys pick one, I'm going to pick the other
• 1:26:42
  one. All right, well, so if we're at
• 1:26:46
  8, that means #9 Christian, I can have and then ten will be
• 1:26:51
  whatever Brian wants to take, right?
• 1:26:54
  So I mean, at this point we're looking at we can drop from
• 1:26:58
  despair to wear because the only reason it was still around was
• 1:27:01
  for album representation, right? So we have a couple available
• 1:27:07
  for. So I guess the question is, do
• 1:27:10
  we put an equal amount of Holy Bible in to everything?
• 1:27:14
  Let's go Christian, do we? Do we take one?
• 1:27:16
  Because we know Brian's going to take one.
• 1:27:22
  OK, so looking outside of Holy Bible, it's Australia from
• 1:27:29
  despair to where? No surface or feeling.
• 1:27:32
  Oh, we've got fast, honey. I didn't realize there's there's
• 1:27:34
  there's a few holy Bibles left. Oh yeah, no, no, no surface or
• 1:27:42
  feeling from despair to where? Australia is fine, but I think
• 1:27:46
  we have enough everything must go so I'm done with that for me
• 1:27:54
  this so we got 4 right white America.
• 1:27:56
  She is suffering archives of pain and faster for me.
• 1:28:02
  It would what we got already. Yes, OK, I just because I think
• 1:28:12
  the Holy Bible. I've I've said it enough times.
• 1:28:16
  It's about the gravity, it's about the lyrics, it's about the
• 1:28:19
  message, it's about the politics, it's about the
• 1:28:21
  history, it's about the it's it's such a dark and heavy
• 1:28:26
  album. I think that has to come through
• 1:28:32
  in the list. And I don't think yes, although
• 1:28:34
  the subject matter of yes is like horrific, as you mentioned
• 1:28:37
  right back at the beginning, the music is a bit jaunty and upbeat
• 1:28:42
  and whatever. So I would probably go for
• 1:28:46
  Archives of Pain because it is such a heavy subject matter
• 1:28:52
  around capital, corporal punishment, whatever, and serial
• 1:28:55
  killers. And the baseline is just so like
• 1:28:59
  evil. I think it gives such a good
• 1:29:03
  representation of the whole vibe of the Holy Bible that it's such
• 1:29:06
  a you're exhausted when you finish listening to the album
• 1:29:10
  all the way through. It's I think it it, it does the
• 1:29:13
  thing to to, to kind of phrase. Yeah, that'll be, that'll be my,
• 1:29:18
  that'll be my pick. All right, I'm with it.
• 1:29:20
  So that brings us up to 9, which means, Brian, your final say.
• 1:29:27
  I'm taking she is suffering all. Right.
• 1:29:31
  Boom. That's the one I was looking at.
• 1:29:33
  I was out between archives and she is suffering and you guys
• 1:29:37
  took archives so. All right, boom, let's round
• 1:29:41
  that out and then I will go down this list and we can turn up the
• 1:29:47
  heat a little bit here. Boom and boom.
• 1:29:56
  All right, so we've got yes, everything must go.
• 1:29:59
  If you tolerate this, your children will be next.
• 1:30:01
  A design for life, Enola alone, motorcycle emptiness, our
• 1:30:05
  mother, Saints ready for drowning, Archives of pain.
• 1:30:07
  And she is suffering. If I read those 10 songs to you,
• 1:30:12
  Christian, is there one that's jumping out at you as the one?
• 1:30:16
  Gosh. No.
• 1:30:26
  OK, So what? What?
• 1:30:27
  What are we actually trying to achieve with the one?
• 1:30:31
  All right, so it's two things you get.
• 1:30:33
  It's if you had one song, only one song, and it has to be one
• 1:30:37
  of these 10 to turn somebody on to the band.
• 1:30:41
  And then #2 it'll be the band's representation in the best of
• 1:30:46
  next year. I know, I know, The one that
• 1:30:52
  feels most important for me is motorcycle emptiness.
• 1:30:55
  But generation terrorists didn't hit good with you guys and in
• 1:31:01
  terms of representation in the end of year, I don't know if
• 1:31:04
  it's too it's too glam because it seems to have hit the latest
• 1:31:10
  stuff seems to have hit with you.
• 1:31:12
  So I'm but then again, things like everything must go a design
• 1:31:17
  for life. If you tolerate this, which are
• 1:31:20
  the the other big singles on this list?
• 1:31:23
  Those those 4 motorcycle everything was go tolerate and
• 1:31:27
  design for life are the big singles out of the 10 that we've
• 1:31:29
  taken. They seem a bit safe.
• 1:31:34
  So don't know, don't know. I'm I'm I'm really struggling.
• 1:31:40
  I mean yes, has some energy. It's it it was the first thing.
• 1:31:47
  It was the first one that we that we put through.
• 1:31:48
  It was the number one that went through.
• 1:31:50
  It was the first thing that you played.
• 1:31:52
  It has musical upbeatness, but it has dark themes.
• 1:31:57
  It's sits in the middle of the of the discography that we
• 1:32:02
  talked about in this episode. It's I don't know, sorry I'm
• 1:32:10
  struggling. Yeah, I wouldn't say either yes
• 1:32:16
  or Everything Must Go, like the song Everything Must Go.
• 1:32:22
  So like if if he's leaning towards yes, then I would I
• 1:32:27
  would, I would vote for yes. Yeah, Everything must go.
• 1:32:32
  Everything must go is a bit more accessible, isn't it?
• 1:32:35
  If you are listening to it as a one off, I think you'll get more
• 1:32:38
  out of Everything must go than you would have.
• 1:32:40
  Yes, but it's where you work. But it's but it is it is that
• 1:32:44
  post that post Richie kind of this is what we are now.
• 1:32:49
  Is it? It's do you take the do you take
• 1:32:52
  them at their darkest, most serious, most, most political,
• 1:32:57
  most heavy, most intellectual, or do you take the songs that
• 1:33:02
  are a bit more, you know, strong accessible songs?
• 1:33:07
  It's I don't know. And you're also.
• 1:33:10
  Looking what do you think? You're also looking at a
• 1:33:12
  difference of a song that's three minutes 40 versus a song
• 1:33:16
  that's 5 minutes. I mean, you know there is
• 1:33:20
  something to that riff for yes, that is really.
• 1:33:25
  But like I know that you mentioned you feel he's an
• 1:33:31
  underrated guitarist, but is it more important to OfferUp?
• 1:33:39
  Is Everything Must Go a more complete song?
• 1:33:42
  I guess is the question I'm asking, Meaning are you getting
• 1:33:46
  the entirety of the band versus I'm telling you this one riff is
• 1:33:49
  kind of is catchy. I mean, I know all the other
• 1:33:52
  elements are there, but what I'm saying is on its surface level I
• 1:33:56
  guess. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's so
• 1:34:03
  I, I, I said, I think earlier on, I think it's such a weighted
• 1:34:06
  responsibility here in terms of, because we, we've touched on it
• 1:34:10
  so many times around the, the gravity and the depth of these
• 1:34:14
  songs. Which way are you leaning?
• 1:34:21
  Everything Must Go is a is a catchier, more rounded, more
• 1:34:25
  straightforward rock song with a big chorus with a with a good
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  with a good big chorus. It it's a it's a probably a
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  better song if that's what you like in terms of I But then yes,
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  as I say, is is more that post punk dark commentary lyrics.
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  I would OK in terms of what I like about this band, I would
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  learn more towards Yes. All right, I look just, yeah,
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  you don't got to sell me on a on a fun riff.
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  You don't got to sell me on that.
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  Let's do that. Let's go with yes, and then I'll
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  get that going and I'll go down this list one more time.
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  I can hear the weight of this conversation on you, Christian,
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  like you are not taking it lightly.
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  All right. I feel, I feel like I'm speaking
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  for a nation. All right, so we've got yes,
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  we'll be our number one. Everything must go.
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  If you tolerate this, your children will be next.
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  Designed for life. Enola alone motorcycle
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  emptiness. Our mother Saints ready for
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  drowning. Archives of pain.
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  She is suffering. Rounds out her ten.
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  And with that, let's let yes get a moment in the sun.
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  Yeah, yes, yes is the name of the song, and yes is my
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  sentiment about that song, and yes is my sentiment about Manic
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  St. Preachers.
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  We have done it. We have turned you on to them.
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  If you're anything like Brian and I, you got yourself a nice
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  little history lesson today too. This Look, if you enjoyed having
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  this kind of information spewed at you, please let me know and I
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  will pass it on. And you know panelists going
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  forward, take note. I'm just saying you don't have
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  to. Obviously the point is to have
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  Also get to deprogram before the rest of the world.
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  Hey, I listen to Programmed and you should too.
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  Peter, I love you and miss you already more than words could
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  ever say. And we're probably going to talk
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  about you more on after the fact and we're probably going to talk
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  about you. We're definitely going to talk
• 1:37:45
  about you more. There's going to be a whole ass
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  deprogrammed dedicated to you, my friend.
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  I miss you. And with that manic St.
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  Preachers learn them and loving people.
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  We'll see you next week. Bye bye.