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  Speaker 1: It is Victory Monday, October 5th. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour is brought to you by Jet Home Loans.
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  Speaker 1: And now, a gal who was penalized 13 times just
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  Speaker 1: on the way into work today.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Kainani Stevens.
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  Speaker 1: You know what?
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  Speaker 3: We're going to deal with adversity, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: play 100% of the snaps today on Happy Hour. Two
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  Speaker 3: hours coming your way. First hour brought to you by
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  Speaker 3: Jet Home Loans. I'm Kainani Stevens. Of course, we are
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  Speaker 3: going to talk to you about the Jaguars' win. It's
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  Speaker 3: another Victory Monday coming up, presented by Deep Eddie Vodka,
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  Speaker 3: It's Monday, October 5th, and we've got a Victory Monday
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  Speaker 3: to talk about. The catfight winners, Jaguars beat out the Bengals, and...
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  Speaker 3: When I'm talking about snaps, what rotation are we talking about?
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  Speaker 3: The last couple of weeks was all about the cornerback rotation.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't see that. Some of that was injury. Some
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  Speaker 3: of that was great play. We will keep it real
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  Speaker 3: on the refereeing and the officiating because it was a
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  Speaker 3: wild weekend. It was not just the Jaguars-Bengals game. It
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  Speaker 3: was across the league. Refs were getting a little out
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  Speaker 3: of control. We got an update on that as well,
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  Speaker 3: and we will answer your fan questions in about a
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  Speaker 3: half an hour here on Jaguars Happy Hour. Welcome in
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  Speaker 3: CBS Sports Senior Writer Pete Prisco, former Jaguars defensive end
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  Speaker 3: Austin Lane. Happy Victory Monday, boys. How are we feeling?
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  Speaker 2: Feeling good. I'm just trying to get ready for the
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  Speaker 2: Keep It Real segment because we may have to send
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  Speaker 2: in some of that film. So I'm going to try
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  Speaker 2: to keep it reserved as much as possible.
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  Speaker 3: That was crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was disgusting.
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  Speaker 5: That was a disgusting officiating performance on both sides, by
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  Speaker 5: the way.
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  Speaker 3: It was. And I think Liam will talk about it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure we'll use the bite a little bit later
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  Speaker 3: in the show. He didn't want to get in trouble
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  Speaker 3: for it. It was just so frustrating to watch as well.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you guys felt it. It just chopped up
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  Speaker 3: the game. There was no flow. You didn't really know
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  Speaker 3: what they were doing. And then also towards the end,
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  Speaker 3: then they started not calling anything. So for anything, it's
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  Speaker 3: just consistency. There was none of that either.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think it speaks a lot, though, about
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  Speaker 2: the Jaguars, what they were able to accomplish yesterday in Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, anytime you're on the road and
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  Speaker 2: you go through that many penalties, especially in the first half,
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  Speaker 2: you have touchdowns getting called back and everything. it kind
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  Speaker 2: of puts your offense in a bind a little bit
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  Speaker 2: because I think this offense, more than anything, it requires
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  Speaker 2: a certain type of flow, right? And that flow was
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  Speaker 2: just discombobulated all over the place. But you still had
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  Speaker 2: an efficient Trevor Lawrence. You still had the ability to
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  Speaker 2: run the football. And, you know, even though it didn't
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  Speaker 2: look the best sometimes, a lot of that due to penalties,
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  Speaker 2: the Jaguars found a way to win. And that's the
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  Speaker 2: most important thing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and again, as far as the penalties, that crew
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  Speaker 5: is notorious for throwing flags.
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  Speaker 4: That's what they're known for.
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  Speaker 5: But, you know, I always like to say it was
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  Speaker 5: bad for the Jaguars, but it was bad for the Bengals, too.
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  Speaker 5: Their touchdown that got called back, that wasn't a hold.
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  Speaker 5: Then again, there was no way that was a hold.
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  Speaker 5: That might have been the worst one of the day.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't think it was a hold on Cleveland.
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  Speaker 4: That was terrible.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah and by the way you know who threw that
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  Speaker 5: flag on the hold on cleveland the i watched the
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  Speaker 5: tape it was the back.
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  Speaker 3: Judge yeah who shouldn't have even been able.
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  Speaker 5: To see that yeah he just saw that the he
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  Speaker 5: just saw that the linebacker kind of got stepped to
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  Speaker 5: the left he thought he threw him the left he
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  Speaker 5: can't see.
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  Speaker 2: It well and that's the thing too like if the
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  Speaker 2: linebacker does they're supposed to do and just try to
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  Speaker 2: like go through him like it's not a penalty but
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  Speaker 2: the fact you try to reach right while he's looking
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  Speaker 2: in the backfield they kind of popped his head a
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  Speaker 2: little bit like That's what they threw the flag on.
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you, Pierre, that that was questionable at best.
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  Speaker 5: And Anton's was questionable too, I thought. I mean, they're ticky-tack.
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  Speaker 5: You could call that on every play if you wanted to.
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  Speaker 3: That's the point, and that's not fun to watch for anybody.
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  Speaker 2: And it's one thing if you watch it back in
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  Speaker 2: some replay or in slow motion. Okay, yeah, there's going
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  Speaker 2: to be penalties all over the field. But when you're
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  Speaker 2: talking about live action, live reps, I mean, you kind
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  Speaker 2: of err on the side of letting these guys play
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, I would feel like. And this, once again,
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  Speaker 2: this is for both sides, not just the Jaguars as well.
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  Speaker 3: I agree. Well, let's give credit where it's due. The
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  Speaker 3: Jaguars go on the road and despite 13 penalties and
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  Speaker 3: 125 penalty yards, they find a way to win. Trevor Lawrence,
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  Speaker 3: 18 for 23, 227 yards. Basial Tootin, some of his
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  Speaker 3: best runs of the day were called back, but he
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  Speaker 3: still looks pretty good. 17 carries, 73 yards. And Chris
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  Speaker 3: Rodriguez taking advantage of his carries as well, had 35
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  Speaker 3: yards and a touchdown on just six carries. But a
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  Speaker 3: lot of selflessness. We talk about this every week. Who's
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  Speaker 3: going to be the guy this week? It was Brenton strange.
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  Speaker 3: He had eight targets and seven receptions. Uh, and I
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  Speaker 3: think overall I was impressed with them being able to
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  Speaker 3: deal with a weird situation. They're going into a tough
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  Speaker 3: environment on the road and Joe Burrow still through for his,
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  Speaker 3: but they, uh, they bend and break a little bit
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  Speaker 3: on defense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, and that's, I mean, they made them one dimensional, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like you had chase Brown, who is a capable runner.
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  Speaker 2: They absolutely shut him down in the running game.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So it was, It was more of just Burrow back
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  Speaker 2: there in the pocket and throwing. And I say this
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  Speaker 2: all the time. If you have the ability to run
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  Speaker 2: the football and you stop the run and make teams one-dimensional,
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  Speaker 2: you're always going to have the opportunity to win. And
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  Speaker 2: you saw it yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and again, two guys to keep highlighting, Devon Hamilton
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  Speaker 5: and Ventrell Miller. Ventrell Miller might be the most improved
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  Speaker 5: player in the National Football League. I mean, I really
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  Speaker 5: believe that. The guy was all over the field again,
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  Speaker 5: and I still think he's trimmed down. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if anybody's ever asked him that, but he looks more athletic, lighter,
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  Speaker 5: quicker to the football.
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  Speaker 4: And those guys are big in the run game.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, the play he made in the one play
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  Speaker 5: he made in the run game where he got the
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  Speaker 5: jet sweep, he took on the tight end and knocked
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  Speaker 5: Chase Brown down on the ground. That's a big time play.
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  Speaker 5: And and I thought, you know. even pushing the pocket
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  Speaker 5: a little bit for Hamilton on, on, on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: I think he had two or three pressures that I counted. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And, and I, I really like what he's, he's doing
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  Speaker 5: as a player, but that run defense, what's that 21
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  Speaker 5: games now in a row without a 75 yard rusher.
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  Speaker 3: They had 23 total rush yards, Pete. Like they didn't
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  Speaker 3: even try. And I understand they have Joe Burrow. They
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  Speaker 3: don't want to try, but you got, that's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: You have to bounce it out a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: They have to run.
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  Speaker 4: They have to run the ball better.
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  Speaker 5: They know that that was something they were saying after
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  Speaker 5: the game, they have to run the ball better.
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  Speaker 3: Jamar Chase got injured, left the game early, so then
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  Speaker 3: it kind of became the Tee Higgins show. He had
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  Speaker 3: 16 targets, 11 receptions, 157 yards. And we talk about
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  Speaker 3: the cornerbacks. I'll bring this up. Travis Hunter was out
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  Speaker 3: there and Jarrion Jones, 100% of the snaps. Part of
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  Speaker 3: that because Monteric Brown was injured, wasn't in. Christian Braswell,
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  Speaker 3: another backup cornerback, also unavailable for that game. But I
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  Speaker 3: was impressed with what I saw. And maybe that's just
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  Speaker 3: some of the little things of the physicality where they
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  Speaker 3: were able to get involved. Obviously, this was unfortunate. Jarrion
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  Speaker 3: Jones getting that face max penalty on Jamar Chase and
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  Speaker 3: kind of twisted him. So then when Ventrell came in
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  Speaker 3: for the tackle, got hurt and was taken out for
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  Speaker 3: concussion protocol. But it changes the game when Jamar Chase
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  Speaker 3: isn't in because he's so talented. But the offense still
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  Speaker 3: was able to get some stuff going. Didn't let him score, though.
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  Speaker 3: When you get in the red zone, they don't let
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  Speaker 3: him score.
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  Speaker 4: No, and that's been the MO.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you look at, were they second in the
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  Speaker 5: league in scoring defense? And sometimes you look at those
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  Speaker 5: numbers and you go, well, how? I'm serious about that.
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  Speaker 5: I know they're good against the run, but they don't
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  Speaker 5: pressure like you would think that run defense would allow
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  Speaker 5: you to pressure. There were times where he stood back there.
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  Speaker 5: and had a lot of time. Now, there were other
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  Speaker 5: times where they moved him off the spot and he
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  Speaker 5: still made some plays, but, you know, I think they
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  Speaker 5: need the pressure better. At some point, they have to
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  Speaker 5: be able to get that guy on the ground. Now,
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  Speaker 5: who is it? You know, Josh Hines-Allen had a couple
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  Speaker 5: late rushers where they lined up next to Walker and
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  Speaker 5: he looped inside. They did his stunt and he looped inside.
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  Speaker 5: He got pressure a couple times that way. I still
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  Speaker 5: think that's the best way to rush the passer, with
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  Speaker 5: Walker inside and him next to him. And so what
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  Speaker 5: that means is, and you know this, you need somebody
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  Speaker 5: else on the other end.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And, you know, you saw them try to use
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  Speaker 2: Dennis Gardeck a little bit. Pete, you talked about the
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  Speaker 2: speed guy last week on the show. You see them
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  Speaker 2: start to implement him a little more. Yeah. I mean, listen,
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  Speaker 2: you had two quarterback sacks. Burrow drops back, what, 54 times? Insane.
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  Speaker 2: They did get home a little bit, but, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: think you're starting to see a team right now trying
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  Speaker 2: to figure out what to do in terms of getting
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  Speaker 2: those quarterback sacks, whether it's running games and twists like that.
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  Speaker 2: You didn't want to see a lot of blitzing, I
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  Speaker 2: felt like, just because especially when Jamar Chase went out,
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  Speaker 2: you know, now you're confident more in your secondary. But
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  Speaker 2: it also makes you appreciate just how good T. Higgins
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  Speaker 2: can be as well. Like, I get it. It's the
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  Speaker 2: Jamar Chase show. He's the 1A, if you will, but
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  Speaker 2: there's a reason why T. Higgins is making the money
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  Speaker 2: that he's making as well.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and again, even on this interception, you can see
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  Speaker 5: some pressure. Josh Hines-Allen got pressure on this one. He
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  Speaker 5: pushed Orlando Brown right back into him. And then, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I think it was Gardeck in the middle. Did he
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  Speaker 5: tip it? I think he tipped it. know that that's
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  Speaker 5: a good rush right there and that's a good that's
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  Speaker 5: good team overall defense right there but again we don't
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  Speaker 5: see guys lining up going around people that that's what's
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  Speaker 5: missing from this defense i love this defense i think
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  Speaker 5: they're great i think campanile does a great job those
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  Speaker 5: guys are great football players i you know josh hines
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  Speaker 5: allen's also a really good run player trayvon walker's fantastic
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  Speaker 5: against the run But it's lacking the twitchy guy to
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  Speaker 5: go up the field and beat somebody with pure speed
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  Speaker 5: and go win with rushes.
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  Speaker 4: That's what they don't have.
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  Speaker 2: And I agree with you. And I also think you're
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  Speaker 2: starting to see now, Pete, what this defense is really
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  Speaker 2: trying to do. And I think Cincinnati was exhibit A
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  Speaker 2: through Z. They don't want to give up the big play.
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  Speaker 2: So they're going to play off a little bit, give
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  Speaker 2: up the short routes and everything, and just keep playing. Hopefully,
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  Speaker 2: you can force a turnover. But they do not want
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  Speaker 2: to give up the big play. And when that's the case... Well,
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  Speaker 2: then the ball comes out a little quicker from the quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: And like Burrow yesterday, I mean, he was getting the
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  Speaker 2: ball out in two seconds or under, it seemed like,
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  Speaker 2: for half those throws. But I do agree with you.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the one thing that's missing right now, you
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  Speaker 2: have the cornerbacks that can make plays. You have the
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  Speaker 2: linebacker that can make plays. You're missing those strip sack fumbles. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Like that's right. That's kind of like the last missing piece,
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  Speaker 2: in my opinion, of a great defense. Like you start
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  Speaker 2: the turnovers and that should be commended. But like, can
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  Speaker 2: you still get home? Can you influence the quarterback in
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  Speaker 2: a strip sack? Because once you get that figured out,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, now now we're talking about an elite defense.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you think about it. Go back to Buffalo last year,
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  Speaker 5: the playoff game. Two drives, couldn't get him on the ground.
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  Speaker 5: You get him on the ground, you win that. You
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  Speaker 5: win that game and you advance. So this game, even
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  Speaker 5: late in the game, you're not getting him on the ground.
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  Speaker 5: If he gets another foot, do they go win the game?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's a distinct possibility, and they're not.
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  Speaker 4: Getting him on the ground. That's my worry.
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  Speaker 5: And so you know what that leads to? They got
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  Speaker 5: to do something. They got to get somebody. Go make
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  Speaker 5: a deal somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: I assume no one's floating around. Do you have any
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  Speaker 3: GM ideas different than last week or all still similar,
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  Speaker 3: whoever you can find?
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  Speaker 4: Well, the Raiders lost the other day.
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  Speaker 5: And if the Raiders have a brutal three-game stretch coming up,
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  Speaker 5: if they lose three in a row, I would make
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  Speaker 5: the call on Crosby. I don't know what it would take,
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  Speaker 5: but I would make the call on him again. I
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  Speaker 5: think that would be one to keep an eye on.
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  Speaker 5: because the Raiders are building to the future.
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  Speaker 4: We know that.
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  Speaker 5: So maybe make the call on him. I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if they would trade him, but you can call him.
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  Speaker 5: And then I would sweat in Arizona. I think maybe
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  Speaker 5: you could maybe call on him. He's been rumored to
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  Speaker 5: be available for a while. Now, he's not the twitchy,
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  Speaker 5: twitchy kind of guy, but he's an upgrade, I think,
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  Speaker 5: from what they have, and he'll give you another body.
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't throw away the farm for him. And then, again,
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  Speaker 5: somebody on the inside. Payne, you watched– I don't know
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  Speaker 5: if you guys saw the commanders on Sunday. He got
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  Speaker 5: pushed on the inside a little bit. Remember I mentioned
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  Speaker 5: him last week. He's in a contract year. So those
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  Speaker 5: are guys I would call on because I think they
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  Speaker 5: have to make some kind of move. I just don't
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  Speaker 5: think they're twitchy enough as a fast-rushing team.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Pete, if you do make that call, though, that
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  Speaker 2: comes with a price tag, right? Correct. So are we
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  Speaker 2: still on the– Are we still on board then with,
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  Speaker 2: is it going to cost you Brian Thomas Jr.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think I would get rid of him.
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  Speaker 2: Same.
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  Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm with you. I wouldn't get rid of him.
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  Speaker 5: And the more I think about that, I'm not getting
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  Speaker 5: rid of him.
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  Speaker 4: If I'm going for it this year, I want.
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  Speaker 5: Him on the roster. And if you make a deal
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  Speaker 5: for one of those guys, you're going for it. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And you're, you know, go beat.
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  Speaker 4: The Eagles this week, go beat the Texans. And then
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  Speaker 4: you're going to sit back and you're going to say, okay,
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  Speaker 4: we're going for it. So what do you do if
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  Speaker 4: you're going for it? The trade deadlines in November, go
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  Speaker 4: make a deal. Go get somebody.
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  Speaker 2: Cause I think if you look at that game yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: you know, obviously I think they challenged him a little
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  Speaker 2: bit in that Patriots game. right okay rightfully so right
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  Speaker 2: because you didn't do your best uh in denver or
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  Speaker 2: whatever so they come back challenge you a little bit
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  Speaker 2: and i thought he answered the call now what two
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  Speaker 2: receptions kind of a quiet day in terms of receiving
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  Speaker 2: and everything he had that touchdown because they were so
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  Speaker 2: worried about parker washington that they lost their their principles
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  Speaker 2: and zone coverage we'll get to that probably later but
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  Speaker 2: with brian thomas if you look at the run game
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  Speaker 2: what he was able to do that tootin touchdown happened
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  Speaker 2: because of him now it got called back because you
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  Speaker 2: know of a questionable hold right here or yeah we'll
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  Speaker 2: see a little bit of it yeah guy reaches and
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  Speaker 2: all sense of holding okay sure but here's brian thomas
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  Speaker 2: jr doing the dirty work down there you know down
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  Speaker 2: the field doing his thing.
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  Speaker 5: The rodriguez and there was a touchdown he had exactly there's.
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  Speaker 2: A chris rodriguez one too where he he kind of
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  Speaker 2: did his part uh to help chris rodriguez get through
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  Speaker 2: the the man's own everything so you see a guy
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  Speaker 2: that maybe he was challenged but he hasn't lost faith Um,
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  Speaker 2: and he's still trying to do his part. And once again,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if defense is going to change the
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  Speaker 2: game plan now against this Jaguars offense. They keep trying
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  Speaker 2: to take away the perimeter. You saw it again yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: Like this is why strange was open in the middle.
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  Speaker 2: This is why Jacoby Myers, you know, had that one
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  Speaker 2: long one in the middle. They do not want to
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  Speaker 2: give up the big play on the outside of Brian
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  Speaker 2: Thomas Jr. When he's out there. And again, I didn't
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: want to call it a decoy, but I think he's
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: because he's capable. But like right now, it's, you know,
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: Brenton Strange saying thank you for being out there because
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: teams are so worried about getting beat with a deep
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: ball with him where it's like you got to keep
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: him on the field.
• 13:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and again, that's a good sign when a receiver's blocking.
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: That tells you he's back. They got his attention last week.
• 14:04
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't trade him because I think he gives you
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: the deep speed element that scares teams down the field
• 14:08
  Speaker 5: where the other guys don't. They give you the intermediate stuff.
• 14:11
  Speaker 5: And by the way, they're not throwing the ball down
• 14:13
  Speaker 5: the field.
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: No.
• 14:15
  Speaker 5: Why is that?
• 14:16
  Speaker 4: That's not happening.
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: It's just not there. Well, because I think he's being patient.
• 14:20
  Speaker 5: He's taking what's available to him. You know, why try
• 14:23
  Speaker 5: and force something down the sideline? And when I talked
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: to Liam this summer, that's one of the things he said.
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: He said, 50-50 balls, you might.
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: Get one out of 10, you know? But why force
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: that when it opens up? Strange in the middle, he's
• 14:35
  Speaker 4: wide open.
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: And they do still get chunk plays over the middle
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: as well, so it's not like they aren't getting, you know,
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: a good chunk play here and there from Brent and Strange.
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: Yesterday was a perfect example of what I said at
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: the beginning of the season, though.
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: Look at those numbers.
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: The catches, who had the catches? Parker Washington, contract year,
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: didn't get a lot of action. you know, what did
• 14:56
  Speaker 5: Jacoby Myers? Hasn't had a lot of.
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: Action in any of the games.
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: Well, no strange at eight Myers had four. It's always
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: like one guy has close to 10 and then the
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: other ones are like far off. So Myers had four
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: Parker at three Cameron had to toot and had to
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: BTJ had to and Bork to two for targets.
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: Okay. Leading into this week.
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: All we heard from everybody around the league was, Oh,
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: the numbers are going, the money's going up on Parker Washington.
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: So there's go back down this week then.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, Well, you could argue he's your number one.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: That's why they take him out of the game, right?
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: He's a great player.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong.
• 15:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's their number one wide receiver. Their number
• 15:33
  Speaker 5: one wide receiver should have made the catch in the
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: end zone. That should have been a touchdown. That was
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: a great throw. Yeah.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so, Pete, maybe the money goes down a little bit,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: and then that money gets transferred to Devon Hamilton's account
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: with the way that he's playing, and now we're talking, right? Like,
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: it's almost like a conglomerate, right? Where, okay, the skill
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: goes down, and then a little direct deposit to Devon Hamilton.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you.
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: Can pay him, but Antonio Johnson's playing good football again.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: So he's in a contract year.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: And how important does he look right now when you
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: have Eric Murray go out and then Ransom go out?
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: And not that he wasn't important before that, but I
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: was like, that is.
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: Well, because Blaine's a special teams player. We saw that
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: on Sunday. And granted, I'll give the kid all the
• 16:14
  Speaker 5: credit in the world. He made the play when he
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: had to make it, but... For a lot of that,
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: like that touchdown to Gusecki, he's got to get over
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: there and make that play. He was way too wide,
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: too deep.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: No chance. All right, lots to talk about. When we return,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: we're going to talk more about this defense because I
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: don't think they get enough credit. So we'll give them
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: more of their flowers after the break. This is Jaguars
• 16:36
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• 16:44
  Speaker 7: He played his ass off today. I mean, he had
• 16:46
  Speaker 7: the pick that gets called back. I thought he had
• 16:50
  Speaker 7: a ton of PBUs.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: He was in there.
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: I mean, he had the huge tackle, right, where he
• 16:54
  Speaker 7: ended up knocking the dude out pretty good. I just
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: thought Trapp balled today. And we knew with Buster being
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: down and Braswell being down, he's going to play every
• 17:03
  Speaker 7: single snap of the game. Had some things for him
• 17:06
  Speaker 7: on offense, but we just didn't feel like putting him
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: out there.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, man, he gets hurt on offense.
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: We're in a real bad spot. Didn't want to put
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: ourselves at risk there. And I was very proud of
• 17:16
  Speaker 7: the way Travis played defensively today.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Liam Cohen talking about Travis Hunter. We're going to talk
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: about our player of the game brought to you by Publix,
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: where shopping is a pleasure. I will take a vote,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: but my vote is going to go for Travis Hunter
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: because it was required of him today. Injuries in the
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: cornerback room. He played 100% of the snaps, didn't play
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: on offense. Had four tackles, two pass breakups, had that interception,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: which would have been fun, but obviously one of the
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: many penalty issues. And he was physical, Pete, which not
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: that we didn't think he was capable. He put on
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: a little bit of muscle and the tackling I was
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: impressed with. You muted, Pete.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Pete, you muted, man. Once again, losing the fight to
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: the mute button. Good to have you. Good to have you.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: What'd you see from Travis?
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: Sometimes I think he thinks he's bigger than he is.
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: You know, the way he throws himself around.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: It works.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: By the way, he proved that he could play every snap.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: So that's it.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: That's the end of it. There should be no snaps.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: That elite corner comes off the field. He is your
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: every snap guy. I mean, he was outstanding on Sunday.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: Breaking on balls, looking comfortable, playing good in zone. He
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: was as good as the corner you expect him to be.
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: And so for that reason, he played every snap.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: That was a tackle.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: That was a hit.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Pete, one thing, and once again, yeah, I think it
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: was his best game in a Jaguars uniform. Even better
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: than the Rams one last year, where he was more
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: featured at wide receiver simply because they were kind of
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: out of that game from the get-go. He helped them
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: win this game, obviously. There was the one play to
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Gusecki where I felt like he may have took too
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: much of a gamble, but thankfully it was an underthrow
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: because Gusecki was wide open. You know what I'm talking about, Pete?
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: In that zone coverage? Yeah, he did. Yeah, I mean,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: that would have been a touchdown probably, but this is...
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: this is him learning what zone coverage is right and
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: he played some in college as well but like you
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: got to know how to play with not a lot
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: but you have to know how to play with each
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: other and everything and sometimes you you gotta just lay
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: off the instincts a little bit uh and play it
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: a little more safe but thankfully they didn't get burned
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: on that play but here's i'm gonna ask you pete
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: let's say that we're coming in here today and it's
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: a jaguars loss are we talking about how come they
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: didn't put travis hunter on t higgins more If that's
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: the case, because no one's taught me. It is what
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: it is. And Jarrion Jones did the best that he could.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: And and I'm still on board. Jarrion Jones obviously wasn't
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: his best day. But T. Higgins is a great wide
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: receiver in his own right. But I'm just saying if
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: the whole consensus is that they lost, are we talking about, well,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: why don't you put Travis Hunter on T.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Higgins?
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: I think size matters in that one for you.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: He's big. Jarrion Jones is a little bit bigger. By
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: the way, Jarrion Jones made some really good plays. He
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: just gave up some catches. And when you give up catches,
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: and I go back like when Sertan was playing Devontae Adams.
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: I think there were 50 plays where he was like
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: matched up or some number of plays where he's matched
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: up and he gave up like six catches.
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: Which is pretty good. That's pretty good.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: But when you give up six catches, all anybody wants
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: to talk about is the six catches. And I think
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: Jorian Jones made some plays. He just gave up some catches.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: I think Jorian Jones and Travis Hunter are your two
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: best corners. And I think they have to play. They
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: have to play all the snaps. You can figure out
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: the rest of it, whatever way you figure it out,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: but they have to be on the field for their snaps.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Monteric Brown, you just paid him though.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: Now, you can play Jarrion Jones inside if you want
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: to because he can do that too.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: He can.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Look, Monteric Brown can't go inside. That's not what he's
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: not going to run with. He can't do those whip
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: routes with those quick little receivers. It's just not what
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: he can do. He's a zone corner. But again, if
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: you feel like Jarrion Jones and Travis Hunter are your
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: best outside corners and you want to play Jordan Lewis
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: on the insides, So what if you play Monteric Brown?
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: You can't make everybody happy.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: What we're talking about with the quarterbacks is not unlike
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: what I was talking about with the wide receivers.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, and we do know the skill positions
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: and the DBs and the receivers are the divas of
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: all of the football teams. So I will give you that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: That's probably fair.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: And you're going to have some injuries too, DeTore, about
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: maybe against the Eagles here. We're going to see what
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: that looks like in terms of their secondary as well.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Well, who did they say today?
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: What, what is a, well, one was a concussion.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: Murray was a concussion.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Murray was a concussion. Ransom left with a knee injury.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Liam doesn't do injury updates. Usually on Monday, they wait
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: till Wednesday because they.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: Upper body, lower body.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: It was a lower body. I can confirm. It was
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: a knee.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Was it a front body or a back body? Do
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: we know that?
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: Back of the knee, front of the knee? Unsure. Didn't
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: get a ligament. Didn't get a ligament.
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: And that's why Lane was on the field was.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Because with Murray, when they ran into each other, Murray.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: And Ransom were out. If Murray was in, he's on
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: the field. And Ransall was going to play a lot
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: because you saw where they played Antonio Johnson a lot
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: down at the line of scrimmage. So Ransall was going
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: to play a lot. They're going to use that three
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: safety look a bunch.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: What... I mean, Devon Hamilton obviously doing Devon things, but
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: they also had 11 quarterback hits. Are they... the pass
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: rush question, right? They still get the pressures. They still
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: get the quarterback hits. We know at some point they
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: need to get the sacks, but is some of this
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: how they want to live where they're just kind of
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: trying to hold it in or they're just not getting
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: home at all?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: You want to get guys on the ground and put
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: them in second and 18, you know, that you, you
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: want them on the ground. And I will say this
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: Armstead actually had one of his better rush games. on Sunday.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: He had a sack, and he was affecting the quarterback.
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: And again, they got pass rush inside. Hamilton pushed the pocket.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: You saw Heinz Valen come around on loops inside and
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: chase down Burrow.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: He didn't get him down, but he chased him down.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: But again, do you see anybody on the outside? Do
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: you see any of that? There's none of that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: They need that. Like you said, Austin, sack, fumble, game over. Yeah,
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: that's what you need.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the only thing that's missing right now
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: in this defense. And I truly think this is their
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: identity in terms of causing turnovers. I just think they're
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: wired like that. I think there's some teams in the league,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: the Jets of last year, who just can't figure it
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: out for whatever reason. Congratulations to them. They just got
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: an interception, by the way, in that last game. So
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: congrats to them. It's been a while. And I think
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: there's some teams that are just, their genetic makeup is
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: they can get turnovers. And the Jaguars are up there.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: It's just now, can you get home after the quarterback
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: and cause those strip sack fumbles?
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: Because everything you've ever taught, I know as a football
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: player and as a defensive lineman, was if you stop
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: the run, boy, you're going to have so many more
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: opportunities to rush the passer and put your ears back
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: and go. And so they've stopped the run, and yet
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: it hasn't translated to the dynamic pressure that you need
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: to get, which is why I go back to what
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: I said earlier. Go make a move.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: Get somebody.
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: Because if you get somebody, all of a sudden you're
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: going to look at that defense and go, oh my God.
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: Because they're second in the league in scoring defense. Second.
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: And up until Sunday, and they didn't get to play
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: Miami like Minnesota did, they were first. And when you
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: look at it, you go, hmm, that should be a
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: lot more.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: There should be a lot more sacks.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: And they have sacks, but there's just not the line
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: up and win off the edge guy. It's not like Minnesota.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Minnesota puts so much pressure on you and beats you up.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: You know, Dallas Turner's getting to the quarterback off the edge.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: You know, when you think of the Texans, and they're
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: not playing well at all, but you think of the Texans,
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: you get guys coming up the field and getting to
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: that quarterback. That's not what Jacksonville has right now. And
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: so they need to make a move.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: All right. Enough said. when we return we will answer
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: some of your fan questions you had a bunch of
• 25:12
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• 25:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah obviously it's a big win for us i mean
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: it's hard to win so anytime you can get a
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: win especially on the road tough place to play um
• 25:36
  Speaker 6: It's big. I think it just says a lot about
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: our team. To be able to win these games. We
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: lost a game like this in Denver a couple weeks ago.
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: Just a good bounce back for us. You're going to
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: have to win games like this throughout the season where
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: you maybe don't play your best and it's not pretty,
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: but find a way to win.
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• 26:01
  Speaker 3: Welcome back to Jaguars Happy Hour. We are ready now.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: To answer your fan questions, because after a win, we've
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: got questions about things going forward. I am pleased with
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: where the team is at right now. I think we
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: would all be pretty pleased if you looked at the
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: schedule and saw they're going to be 3-1 at this point.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: They're heading to London now, though, the stretch where they
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: have two games in London this year. And the first
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: question would be, how worried are we about the injuries
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: in the secondary? The guys stepped up to finish the game,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: but is that sustainable?
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: Well, I think.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: Not having both of those guys is worrisome. If you
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: got one of them, then I think you're okay.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: Are you talking about safeties or the corners?
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, safeties.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: Because I think Lane is a special teams guy. I mean,
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: he made the play, like I said at the end
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: of the game, but he was a little bit of
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: a liability in coverage. Now, if he's getting work during
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: the week, maybe that changes because I hear he's a
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: smart kid and he knows what to do.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: But.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: I think you need to hopefully they have one of
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: them back, whether it's Murray or Ransaw. And it sounds
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: like Murray, if he clears concussion protocol, would be the
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: one that would get back.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're going to be a little worried
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: on this stretch. And we'll see with the Eagles, though,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: and the Texans, too, in terms of their injuries, right?
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Because right now the Eagles, Devontae Smith set out the
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: last game with a hamstring.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Oh, they're decimated. Barkley went out in that game.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Barkley's out as well.
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Lane Johnson didn't play.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Dallas Goddard.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: Goddard's out. I mean, both corners, Quinion Mitchell went down
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: and Cooper DeGene went down.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: Zach Bond didn't play.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, in terms of matchups
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: with that secondary for the Jaguars, like, you– This isn't
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: the Bengals. You're not worried about T. Higgins and Jamar
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Chase right now. And with the Texans getting Nico Collins back, yeah,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: he's going to be a game wrecker, so you have
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: to account for him. And I think it was that
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Jalen Noel now has kind of found a little bit
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: of footing as well. But overall, and once again, you
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: never want to see injuries happen, but if you have
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: to go through a stretch right now based off your
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: opponent of what they're dealing with, it's not the worst
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: stretch to go with.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: And by the way, if Murray sits out this week,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: you would think he would be back for the next week,
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: two weeks after a concussion.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: I would imagine.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: You'd hope so.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: You would hope. And it does look a little.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Sparse there otherwise but wouldn't it be nice if Jalen
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Husky could come up and have some meaningful time hasn't
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: dressed yet but they really liked him I don't know
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: where he's at sometimes with the draft picks you kind
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: of have to wait it out a little bit if
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: they don't trust him just yet or what that's about but.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: Well, he'll dress.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: He will now.
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: If those guys are both out, they have to.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: What opportunities he'll get, I'm curious.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and granted, obviously I'm not there every single day
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: at practice. From what I saw, though, in the joint
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: practices and everything, I'm going to say this much. This
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: guy looks the part.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: He can hit all right.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: He's a bigger dude, and from what I watch, he's
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: always kind of in the right spot at the right time,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: which is one of the key attributes I think you
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: want in a safety. He's got the size, so if
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: you need a guy to play up in the box
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: a little more, which– I mean, they haven't had a
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: problem stopping the run yet. But if you need a
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: guy in the box to help stop the run, he
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: can do that as well. I mean, we'll see. You know,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: once you start talking about coverages and everything, like, will
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: he get lost? Time will tell. But I just think
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: from a guy who plays with the physicality, who has
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the look, he definitely has the look. Even more than,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: nothing against Caleb Ransaw, but a little more on the skinnier,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: smaller side than Jalen Husky.
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: That would be nice. All right, next question's about the O-line.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: It says, O-line seems a bit porous in Pass Pro
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: at times. Is that normal or is it concerning?
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Actually, when you watch it on TV, it looked a
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: lot worse than it looked when I.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Watched it again.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: It felt tough in the beginning, and I know that
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: was a lot of penalties and whatnot.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there was no rhythm. Cole Van Lannen got off
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: to a really slow start, I thought. He was slow
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: out of his stance. Anton Harrison was slow. He was
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: having problems out of his stance. That was part of
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: his problem. If you looked at the tape, he was...
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: He was slow. I think the silent count bothered.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: It didn't get into a rhythm.
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: You know how that is. If the guy doesn't get
• 30:01
  Speaker 5: it on the beat, he's beat right away. I think
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: that happened early in the game. But for the most part,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: when I watched it on TV. It wasn't great. Again,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: it's the same thing that was in Denver. Every one
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: of them has a moment where they're the issue. And
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: when that happens, there's always a problem. And so if
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: that happens, if one of them is a problem on
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: one play, the other one is a problem on the
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: next play, you're going to have problems every play then.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: And there's no real consistency that way.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was wild because I was looking at the
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: next-gen stats from the game, and they said it was–
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: in the Liam Cohen tenure, it was the most pressure–
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence faced, which I don't mean, okay. I feel
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: like he's been pressured a couple games where I remember
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: him getting on his back a lot more, but maybe
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: that's the case or not. And yeah, I agree with Pete.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: It just seemed like during that game, everybody kind of
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: had their hand in it, right? Like the Anton Harrison.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: not a great game, right? And this was a guy who.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: That was his worst game so far.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: His worst game. And then even like in the run game, obviously,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, the yards speak for themselves, right? But like,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: you know, Ezra I saw in one play, and this
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: should have been a big game, but he had problems
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: climbing up to the second level. And then this is
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: starting to be a thing now, whether it's with the center,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: whether it's the, what's Ezra Cleveland in terms of the interior,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: I think pregnant can do. Okay. But they seem to
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: be having problems, like trying to climb up to the
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: next level. And if you talk about running between the
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: tackles and, and try to burst that, that, that big gain,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: you know, that, that long touchdown, like we saw a
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: tune get called back. You got to climb to the
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: next level. And we're not seeing a lot of that
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: at a successful rate right now.
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: Well, part of that is, and you know, this, when
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: you get, when you run duo, yeah. Yeah. one of
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: them's got to get movement so the other one can
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: come off and get to the next level. And when
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: you're not powerful and strong and you're playing two powerfully
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: strong men like Jonathan Allen and Dexter Lawrence, you're.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Going to have problems getting to the next level.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: I'll be honest with you. I thought Dexter Lawrence would
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: dominate more than he did on Sunday. Allen was actually better,
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: I thought. Allen was the better of the two. But
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: I thought Dexter Lawrence would wreck that game, and he didn't.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think he had a couple penalties
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: on him, right, that he caused and everything. But, yeah,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: in terms of, like, getting in Trevor Lawrence's face and
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: causing chaos, not so much. But definitely had some penalties
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: go his way.
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, he pushed Pregnon, put Pregnon on skates on
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: the first play of the game.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys saw that play.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he had a little welcome to the NFL moment
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: early on, for sure. That first drive was good.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: And Cole Van Landen was bad for, like, The first four,
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: it's almost like he didn't get off the bus until
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: somebody slapped him in the head and he woke up after.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Sometimes.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: And it was like after like the first, I think
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: it was like after the third drive, then he may
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: have been the best, like past blackout.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: Of all of them. You know what, though, Austin, we
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: forget sometimes, and I'm guilty if there's anybody, this guy's
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: coming off a major knee injury.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: And he didn't tackle in training camp.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: And he's four games in.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: He's four games in and probably rushed back, to be
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: honest with you, when you think about it. And so
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: he really, he's not, he hasn't settled in yet to be,
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: I don't think he's settled.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: In to be what he's going to be.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: No, without a doubt.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: I think that had something to do with it, too.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: And also keep in mind, he's playing a completely different
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: position than he finished up with last year.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Like, I mean, he made a name for himself. Really,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: he got paid playing left tackle last year. And they said, oh,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: very cool. Check this out. Anton Harrison, go play the
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: left side. And Colvin Landon, let's go and reverse everything.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Mirror that. And now you're playing the right side. So,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: once again, I mean, he can handle it. He's played
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: all over the offensive line. So there's nothing he can't handle. But, yeah,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I expect as the season progresses, as he
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: gets more reps, he'll be fine.
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: They're not going to make changes now. You don't make
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: changes when you're 3-1 and you're winning. But I still
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: think that those changes on the interior of that line
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: are possible.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Pete, these next two weeks, it might be coming because
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: what Philly's got in the middle and what Houston does.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Those guys that Philly has in the middle, they haven't
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: played very well. Jalen Carter dogged it yesterday a bunch.
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: He didn't do much. I know they're big physical guys,
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter. They didn't play very well.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: And and I think the weak spot of the Texans
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: is actually the interior of their defense. You know that
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: if you you know, the book is they're not big.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: You run at them a little bit.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: So we'll see.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: But I just think in Austin kind of outline why
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: they're just you got to be strong in that position
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: to get that guy off so the guy can get
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: to the next level. And that that's not happening with
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: those two.
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: Next fan question. Pete, you kind of touched on this
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: a little earlier, but does Liam's system not take any
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: deep shots or is Trevor choosing not to throw them?
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: I think he's being smart and taking what's available.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: I mean, why?
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: When you have a profit, why turn it down for
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: a chance throw down the field? And I don't really
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: think he turned down open possibilities on Sunday. Usually I'll
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: nitpick that because it drives me crazy when quarterbacks miss
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: open shots down the field. But I didn't see a
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: lot of that on Sunday. I actually think that the
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: intermediate stuff was open and he took it. I mean,
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: Strange had a field day. And by the way, we
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: talk about a.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Player of the game. That guy could be the player
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: of the game.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: That's going to be my player of the game. Yeah, absolutely. Now,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: the whole hurdle thing.
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: We're just going to bypass the hurdle thing. We've got
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: to retire that.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the hurdle.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Anybody who hurdles in the NFL is just being dumb.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: You don't hurdle.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, it gets you a Madden cover. So relax.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Like hurdle, just make sure you do it right.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't like it at all because I think
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: somebody's going to get hurt doing that. They clip your leg.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: You know, I just think it's too dangerous.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: You can get a lot of hops on it.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: But he was fantastic.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: He just looked like he lifted his legs and it
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: looked like he jumped.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: He mistimed it.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: No, but he put him in a fullback, and he's
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: like the lead blocker, and he's a great blocker.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: He blocked the tight end.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, on the first drive, he did that. Yeah, and
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: then also, too, I mean, they're putting him out wide
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: now in trips, and then they're motioning him across, and
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: that's his long reception. That was the first down when
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: it was like third and long in that first drive.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, they bring him out in wide trips and
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: he comes in and, yeah, he makes a play. Like, listen,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I think we don't appreciate sometimes what you have with
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Brenton Strange, right? Like, he was drafted where he was
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: drafted for a reason. And obviously, Pete mentioned all the time,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of mouths to feed on this offense. But, like,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: I could see Brenton Strange playing on a team with, like,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: zero wide receivers and getting almost like the Trey– McBride treatment. Yeah, yeah.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: They're going to find ways to use him. They're going
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: to motion him open and give him the football. It's
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: just on this team right now, they just don't need
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: him to do that.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: And now you have the new emerging rookie wide receiver
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: who plays snaps now too.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: We didn't count him. When I said that before the season,
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: we weren't counting him.
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: No, we weren't. Good hands, and he always makes a
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: play whenever it comes his way as well. Let's see. Oh,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: now that it's a quarter of the way through the season,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: have your expectations changed for this team as opposed to
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: what you thought would happen before the season starts? Peter
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: already thought they were going to the Super Bowl, so.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming he still thinks that.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: My expectations are being met. We had a conversation in
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: our green room on Sunday, and it kind of carried
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: over on the air. They might be the most complete
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: team in the league.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: It's well-rounded.
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: Yes. By that, I mean, you know, you look at Buffalo.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: Buffalo's great on offense.
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: Their defense is not so good. No.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: You look at, you know, the 49ers could be.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: They played well on defense, but are they great on
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: defense right now? I don't know.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: You know, they can score. We know that. But are
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: they great on defense?
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Probably not. Jacksonville's not great on offense. They're the number
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: two defense in the league. I still wouldn't say that
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: they're great on defense, but they're very good at both.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: And that might make them the most complete team in
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: the league. You know, the Vikings are great on defense and– You.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: Haven't scored a touchdown. No, you're not wrong there. I mean,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: I think it's either them or the Chiefs, honestly.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: Because the Chiefs with spags calling the defense.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: You know they're always going to bring it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: They're getting better and better on defense, and you know
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: they're going to be good on offense. So I would
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: agree with you. I think Seattle's also in that mix, too.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: I think that aberration loss at Washington last week, Seattle
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: can score, they can run it, and then.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: You go to the other side of the ball and
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: you know they're really good on defense.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: And I get it, because... that they can run it
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: with their offensive line, but they haven't, they haven't had
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: a back yet. That's kind of like been the lead.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Like they just lost your Darien Prince for a little
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: bit or price.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: Sorry.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Darien Price. Yeah. And the guy that replaced him did
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: pretty well yesterday. Whatever.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: Eugene Wilson had a nice game.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: That's what it is.
• 38:37
  Speaker 5: So I don't know. They put, they put Shahid the
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: backfield and he ran from the backfield and scored a
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: touchdown too.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: They can do a lot of things and they're really
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: good on defense. If you ask me, those are the two,
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: Right now that are playing the most complete football, Seattle
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: and Jacksonville.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: But to answer your question, have my expectations changed? I mean,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: I had high expectations from the get-go, but based off
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: of what these first four games have looked like, absolutely.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Because I've watched this Jaguars team play a bad game
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: against the Broncos and were neck and neck with them.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: And then I watched them absolutely curb-stomp the Patriots. The
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Patriots just beat the Bills, right? And then I watched
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: a team that had whatever, 10 first-half penalties against all
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: odds and still found a way to win in Cincinnati
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: when last year they probably would have lost that game.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: Well, let's not forget about the fact that they beat
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: the Daylights out of the Browns who are now atop
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: the a.m.c north exactly good now guys.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: That's a great point as well so based off of
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: those wins and even the losses what it looked like
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: yeah my expectations are even higher now absolutely let's we're
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: gonna hit it.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: Should be four and oh but i'm gonna i'm convinced
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: of that they should have never blown that game they
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: should have never taken two down on the first down
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: they should have blown that game Well.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Now we're all on the tootin' train. I think that's fair.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Pete's convinced us there for sure.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I'm sold.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: We're going to take a break because when we come back,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: we're going to keep it real about the officiating. We
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: also have a new update on some of the officiating
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: issues from over the weekend as well. So Jaguars Happy
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Hour is presented by Jet Home Loans. We'll be right back.
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: I've never had anything like that before in my life.
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: I mean, it just was– I'm not going to say
• 40:09
  Speaker 7: anything to get fined, but that was– No, I know.
• 40:13
  Speaker 7: That was just mental.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: It was mental.
• 40:15
  Speaker 7: I've just never quite seen something that much in the
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: first half of the football game.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Sure was some. Jaguars had 10 penalties in the first half,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: 13 on the day, 125 yards. So I was wondering,
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: I checked with Copilot, brought to you by Microsoft, in
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: what game did the Jacksonville Jaguars have the most penalties
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: in franchise history? And they had to go back a
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: little bit of a ways. Might have been when Pete
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: was here, not sure, but it was It was 1996.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: They had 17 penalties against the New England Patriots, and
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: it was a 28-25 loss. So even more impressive, the
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: Jaguars had 13 penalties and still won the game. But
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: it's time to keep it real. Presented by ServPro like
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: it never even happened because it was not just this game.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: There was a couple of incidents. Obviously, there was 24-something
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: penalties in this Bengals-Jaguars game. But around the league, weird
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: stuff was going on like this. The refs just screaming
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: F you at the tight end. I'm like, wait, what's
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: going on here? I don't think that's how that works.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: We usually see it the other way around and then
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: they get suspended. But if you read lips, it was
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: not very nice. And then also in the Vikings game,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: one of the Vikings linebackers gets blocked into the referee.
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: And oh, my bad. Let me help you up here.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Of course. Nice guy. And no, not having it at all.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: But the new news today is the NFL playoffs. is
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: weighing in, and they came down pretty strong on this.
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: So the line judge, Jeff Seaman, that was the guy
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: we saw in the Giants-Cardinals game that was yelling at
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Trey McBride of the Cardinals. He was suspended for two games,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: and referee Adrian Hill, who was the guy screaming at
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: the Vikings player for knocking him down, is suspended for
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: one game, each for an instance of unprofessional conduct toward
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: a player. These were issued by the NFL vice president
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: officiating Ramon George, and I think... I'm going to speak
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: for everybody. Nobody wants this to be an umpires in
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: baseball situation where the officials are making everything about them.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: And for as much as the players and coaches are
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: suspended for their actions, and rightfully so, you can't be
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: doing that. You just cannot, as an official, be acting
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: like that. No.
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: And players sometimes go above and beyond what they should
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: say to the official. I get it. And it's frustrating
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: if you're an official, but you can't. scream back at
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: him like that. You just can't.
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: You can tell him, shut up, go back to your huddle.
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: You can do that, but you can't do what he
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: did and curse at him for everybody to see. Not
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: that cursing is such a big deal. We're making a
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: really big deal about the cursing, by the way. Come on,
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: give me a break. What should be made a big
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: deal of is if a player did that on purpose,
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: camera and then a mic to an official, he's getting suspended.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: He's getting suspended.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: So now it's rightfully so that the official gets suspended.
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: And so I think it's the right decision. The official
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: acted out of character. What McBride supposedly said to him
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: is also insulting to the official. So I could see
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: him being angry about it. And I don't know if
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: you can find our sideline reporter, Aditi Jamawala said, said,
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: He said something, please. Now, she didn't say how he
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: said it. Was it please, begging for the flag, or
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: was it please? And then he said something to the point,
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: you're ruining the game, or something along those lines. And
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: so if I'm the official, that brings into question my
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: integrity a little bit. And my integrity is much more
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: important than me cursing at a player.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Because if you know, if an official has no integrity.
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: It can't be official.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: But the problem is your actions like that say more
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: to me than anything. Because when you come out of character,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: that's when I question your integrity.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: Of course.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Words are words.
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: I don't think that's an integrity.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: But I'm talking about you're officiating. Because if you say
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: a guy's ruining the game, then your question is integrity.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but if you don't have any integrity, if you're
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: going to be emotional and react, which is what it was,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: it was emotional reaction.
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he shouldn't have reacted the way he did. But also,
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: what McBride said is kind of insulting to an official, though.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: You don't think so?
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: It's football, man. Like, there's going to be some things
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: that are said.
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: So is Curson.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was stepping at him like he was
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: going to do something about it. Like, there's one thing
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: to say you're ruining the game.
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: Let me say that again.
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: I didn't think he was stepping to him. He can't
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: be that foolish.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: He would have knocked him to the ground.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: I feel like when you're dropping F-bombs and you're walking
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: towards somebody, I mean, you're almost asking for something. Do
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: we have the video again or not? This is going
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: to be the interception from last week.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: It's not.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Back and to the left.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not walking.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Hang on.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: He's walking away.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: No, I'm going to see a different view.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Okay, whatever. I didn't think he walked to him. But
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: the Vikings, the one where he ran over, the Vikings,
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Eric Wilson ran over the official.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Why did he get so mad? That happens all the time.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I think he was whistling. I was not watching that
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: game live. I believe from my understanding was he was
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: trying to whistle the play dead. They continued on and
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: then he got blocked into him. But even so, he
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: got blocked into him. So like if you want, I
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: The official was out of line on that one.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, you get run into all the time.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: But the official, I mean, he may not have like
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: really know what happened with it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: So he's like, oh, I just got hit. I mean,
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: it looks like he was looking at the play. They're embarrassed.
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: And that's here's the thing. If you're an official, you
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: have to take... It's similar to being a police officer,
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: similar to being in a courtroom, anywhere where you're given
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: some level of authority. You're getting barraged with crap all
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: the time. You have to be above that, in my opinion.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: That comes with the position. And you can't react that
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: way when they have such a high standard the other
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: way around. And so I believe this punishment is fair.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: But also, I do want to mention, just because we're
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: talking about the officiating as a whole, this is not
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: a great trend to be throwing this many flags because...
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: obviously this Jaguars Bengals game was tough to watch, but
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: it was around the league. There was almost 15 flags
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: a game. Like what flag numbers are up and it's
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: not fun to watch like that.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: No, it's not. It's not.
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: And they think they got to rein it in. I
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: think the memo will go out this week, rein it
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: in a little bit. So if you want to hold
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: this week, hold, you're going to get away with it.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's basically what it is. And Austin, did
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: you ever yell or curse at an official?
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, I may have had a few choice words.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I never cursed at an official because, like, heaven forbid.
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: You've heard players curse at them.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, without a doubt, man. Like, yeah, and it's one
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: of those things where, you know, once again, it's football, right?
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: It's a very violent game, even though they try to
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: take the violence away sometimes. But it's a very violent game.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Things happen, like. Dude, people are going to curse at you.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: I had Andrew Luck, who never cursed, cursed at me
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: one time.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Wow, he broke character for you.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, he broke character twice on me. And then Drew
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Brees broke character too and said some choice words that
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I can't repeat on this show, unfortunately. Maybe we can
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: get like an after the show kind of thing.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: After the happy hour.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: But real quick, if we're trying to keep it real
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: and the refs are trying to throw all these flags
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: and make it about them, then make them have a
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: press conference after the game. If players are held accountable
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: for their actions and have to answer for it, then
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: why can't refs be held accountable as well? Why can't
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: I ask, hey, what is it?
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: You get a pool reporter. That's all you get.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: You'll get the pool quotes and you'll be happy with it.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: There should be a press conference, man, for refs as well,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: based off bad calls.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: All right, we're getting heated, but we got a whole
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: other hour to discuss fun stuff. Jaguars got to win.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back here for more Jaguars Happy Hour.
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: Welcome back, and I'm Stephen's Austin Lane. Pete Prisco with you.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Second hour of Jaguars Happy Hour. This hour is presented
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: to you by Mr. Chubby's Wings before the game, after
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: the game, and during the game. We're going to start
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: out with our opening drive presented by Target Zero. Let's
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: get everyone home safely, and the Jaguars get a five-point
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: win on the road. They lost two in week two
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: of last season, and it was a game that came
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: right down to the end, similar this time around. And
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: in his victory speech, Liam Cohn was talking about the
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: last time they were there, and they were not happy
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: when they left, but he was very happy with what
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: his team was able to fight through in terms of
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: penalties and things not necessarily going their way. Pete, we
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: talk so much about finding ways to win. These are
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: the kind of games that are going to benefit this
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: team when it comes to playoff time.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: The NFL.
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: You can't expect what happened in New England to happen
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: every week against New England to happen every week.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: So we've been spoiled. They have these blowout wins. We
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: thought this is normal.
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: What's that?
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: Win every game by 30. It just, and again, if
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: you go into a game thinking you're winning those games
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: like that, you're not going to. So be prepared for
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: whatever a fourth quarter game is. We've set a record
• 48:53
  Speaker 5: for fourth quarter for games going to be the side
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: of the fourth quarter this year. You know, it's incredible
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: how close these games are.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: You know why?
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: Because nobody's really any good. That's my theory on it.
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: I still don't know who's good. There's no dominant team.
• 49:07
  Speaker 5: And I think we're getting to the point of the
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: season where we're going to start seeing the dominance start
• 49:12
  Speaker 5: to emerge. You know, if Jacksonville goes to London and
• 49:15
  Speaker 5: wins two and they're five and one, then people are
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: going to be sitting there saying, you know what? This
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: team's the dominant football team. If they go there and split,
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: they're not going to say that. If they go there
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: and lost two, they're certainly not going to say that.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: So I think this is the time of the year, October,
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: early October, into the middle of October where the teams
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: start emerging.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Pete, let me ask you this because you kind of
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: have your finger on the pulse in terms of what
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: the national people think. You know, like after that Browns game,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: I was just like, OK, it's just the Browns. Right.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: And then I think they got a lot of respect
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: after that Patriots game because there was really no reason.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Like if A.J. Brown would have played, wouldn't have mattered.
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Like the Jaguars just took care of business. What's the
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: synopsis now after that Bengals game? Is it more of
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: all they didn't have Jamar Chase? T. Higgins was a
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: little banged up towards the end. Or are the Jaguars
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: you feel like getting their flowers?
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: They're starting to get their flowers.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: You saw a bunch of that come out today, guys,
• 50:06
  Speaker 5: saying they might be the best team. I think Mike
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: Florio flippantly, in Mike Florio fashion, said they might be playing.
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: And I've said it before, so I can't say anything.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: They might be playing the championship game in front of
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: 42,000 fans or whatever. In a stadium under renovation, yeah.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: Did you see the way he said it, though? Yes.
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Couldn't help himself.
• 50:27
  Speaker 5: And so, I guess, I think when we look at them,
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: I think they're starting to get their respect around the league.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: And you know who's starting to really get his respect
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: around the league?
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: Trevor. Mm-hmm.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: He has.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: I felt, I felt that in every, I know some,
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: I did see some people on social media didn't like
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: the broadcasting crew, but I felt like all the crews
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: we've had so far, uh, have given a lot of
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: respect to Liam and Trevor, which wasn't always the case before.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I know Austin, you didn't like them.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's any.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Worse than it ever is.
• 50:54
  Speaker 6: Personally.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: I just feel like the Jaguars never get, you never
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: get a crew that like really knows them in and
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: out because they just don't have that. And we get
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: switched around a lot. So, Uh, Spiridides is here a
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: lot and sometimes we do have some similar crews, but, um,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: I didn't, but.
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they don't, they don't, um, get any marquee games.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, like when they played Denver, that
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: could have been the marquee game and it wasn't.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: And yesterday, but the next two weeks, right.
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: Everybody's watching the morning games.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: So they get more, they get more key games the
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: next two weeks. So that's a good thing.
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: And then they do have some primetime games back into
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: the season, obviously Thursday night football in Baltimore, Monday night
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: football here against the Steelers in December, and then on
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: the road for Sunday night football in Dallas around Christmas time.
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: If they take care of their own business in the division,
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: they'll be the division winner. It's that simple.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, the division's looking a little crazy right now.
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: But when you're two games against the Titans, when you're
• 51:54
  Speaker 5: two games against the Colts, and when bare minimum split
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: with the Texans, if you do that, your division's yours.
• 51:59
  Speaker 5: Don't even have to worry about it.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: But then it's about how, I mean, you have them
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl, so now it's about seeding. It's
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: not even just winning the division anymore.
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: And then you look at their, let's look at the
• 52:08
  Speaker 5: rest of their games. Let's just say they go 5-1
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: in the division, which they should. I think they should.
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: Now look at the rest of the games. Pittsburgh, I
• 52:16
  Speaker 5: think they win at home. I think they're better than
• 52:19
  Speaker 5: the Steelers. I think they win. They've always played well
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: against the Steelers in prime time, if I'm not mistaken.
• 52:24
  Speaker 5: But I think they'll win that game. Baltimore on the
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: road on a short week, that's tough. I'll count that
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: as a loss. Not that they can't win it, but
• 52:33
  Speaker 5: I'll count it as a loss. Philly, they win this week.
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: So that gets you to what? That gets you to,
• 52:39
  Speaker 5: they got four, five in the divisions, nine.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: That gets you to 11.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: On the road in Chicago.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: Pete, is that a lock, Pete, against Philly? You said
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: it pretty confidently.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: What'd you say?
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: I said, is that going to be a lock?
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: Which one?
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: For Philly. A lock?
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: I might lock that.
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: Okay. Stay tuned.
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: I might lock that.
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: Stay tuned. We have 45 minutes or 55 minutes left.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: I might lock it.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: Stay tuned. And then we're missing two games. What are
• 53:06
  Speaker 5: the other two we're missing that they played?
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: So we just said Chicago, right? Then they go to
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: the Giants.
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: Giants.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: In November.
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: Giants in first place right now, but do you fear
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: them in November?
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy they're in first place?
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Not so much, no.
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: So they should win that game. That gets you to
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: 13 or 12.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: And we're missing one more. Oh, Commanders. It's the second
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: to last week in Jacksonville.
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: That gets you to 13. There's your 13.
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: Go 5-1 in division.
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: Beat the Eagles and lose to the Ravens and the
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: Bears and win the other ones, and you're going to
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: get 13. And you know what you'll have if you
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: get 13? Number one seed.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's easier said than done, Pete, because it's
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: the NFL, right? And there's going to be one game
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: in that mix that they're probably going to lose that
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: we all think they're going to win. Like, this is just– Correct.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: It's how it works. See, and I think when we
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: did the assignment where we picked the teams, I think
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: I had the Steelers actually beating the Jags. on that
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: prime time, just because they should be the Steelers hands down.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: But there's always that one game where, you know, a
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: team just comes out flat and they don't play their best.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it's going to be the Steelers.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: They always had the Steelers number, right?
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: They do.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: And I wanted to, we picked the season out. We said,
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: if they came out of the first four at three
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: and one, they'd be doing cartwheels.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Isn't that what we said? I think so.
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: And they should be. We got an update actually for
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: Eagles coming up. We're not going to see our old
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: friend tank Bigsby. Yeah, got hurt in that game. It's
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: a core muscle injury, so he's having surgery. He's going
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: to be on IR for at least six weeks.
• 54:39
  Speaker 5: I'd be astounded if Saquon Barkley plays.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: That looked pretty serious when he left the game.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: And it was early, too.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: That means it'll be Will Shipley.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Who's the receiving back? And then who else they got?
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
• 54:53
  Speaker 5: If you lose to Will Shipley, if Lane Johnson's not
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: there and there's no Devontae Smith or Dallas Goddard, then
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: all the accolades we've given Anthony Campanile will take him back.
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: That's going to be tough looking.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: Man, I'm going to have to lock that in myself.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: We'll see. We'll see. We've got plenty of time on
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: the show left. We'll see if we can lock that in.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: Did they give it to you?
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: I haven't seen an update yet on Quinion Mitchell and
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: Cooper Dejean.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: I have not.
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: Those are big, too. He went down looking pretty serious
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: injury on Quinion Mitchell, who's the best corner, and Cooper
• 55:21
  Speaker 5: Dejean went down right after him.
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: Not good for them.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: If they don't play and all those other guys don't play,
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: lock it.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: I'm locking it with a caveat. I mean, are we
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: locking it or it's like... Lock it. Okay, well, you're
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: saying if they're not playing, you're like.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: I don't care whether some of those guys play or not.
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: I'm locking it.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: All right, well, then I'm going to go and lock
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: it in too. Lock it in. That's a double lock.
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: That's a double lock.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: One step closer to some Lululemon joggers. Here we go.
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: How many more do you have.
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: To get right?
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: Are you going three for three?
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: What are you trying to get at?
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Probably about three for three.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: That's fair.
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a 36 long, please.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: We're keeping track of your Monday night football picks as well.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Don't worry about those, Kai. Those don't count as anything.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, they count.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: By the way, I pick every game every week. And
• 56:12
  Speaker 5: my picks have been awful.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: By the way.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: So. This week are all together.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: It's hard to pick.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: It is hard. I, that's why I say when I'm like,
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know who's good. Cause every week it's something
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: different and someone different. And it's, there's just not, it's,
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of parody and that's awesome, but there's no, nowhere,
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: no consistently where you're like, Oh, they're definitely.
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: Like, I always say nobody's any good.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: Just yet. The Jaguars are working their way there. And Pete,
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: you said earlier, you feel like they're one of the
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: most balanced teams. Can this continue? Is this like an
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: internal DNA thing? Like what makes them so good about...
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: I guess you never feel like they're out of it.
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: And that's new because there's other Jaguars teams where it
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: was like one or two of those things had happened.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: You'd been like, all right, that's it. Pack it up
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: and go home. But at no point in the– I
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: know it was stressful because it was back and forth.
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: But at no point in the fourth quarter was I
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: overly concerned. I wasn't thrilled they didn't get the first down.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: But I had faith in the defense. And yes, Joe
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Burrow could have done some things, but I wasn't scared.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Like there's other times where you'd be like scared and
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: I didn't feel that.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: Well, if Chase was on the field, you.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: Probably would have been scared. Oh, I would have been scared.
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: No, that's fair.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: But you know what's a sign of a good team?
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: And I say this all the time. When they got
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: back down there and they had to go get points. Remember,
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: what did they make it?
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: 16-10?
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: Is that what they made it? Yeah.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: 16-10.
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: When it scores 16-10 and you take the ball and
• 57:35
  Speaker 5: you go down the field and you get a touchdown.
• 57:37
  Speaker 4: that's the sign of a good team.
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: Now they missed the two point conversion because nobody was open,
• 57:43
  Speaker 5: but you get, you get, make it 22. What'd they
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: make a 22, 10 at that point. And all of
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: a sudden you sit there and you go, well, that's
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: the sign of a good team. I don't think here's
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: the other part of it. I don't think we're close
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: to seeing the best of that offense yet.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: That's why it feels good. I think. Cause you're like, Nope.
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's some blowouts and that's fine, but it,
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: it hasn't felt like everything was working on one in
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: one game. There's always something that could be a little
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: bit better.
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: Agreed. And I, and, and here's something I want to
• 58:14
  Speaker 5: ask Austin.
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: I got something I want to ask you too. Do
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: they miss Austin?
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: The running back?
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about Travis Aitren?
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: We're only a month in and we got a callback
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: to it.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Pete, you know what? I mean, we're a month in
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: right now. You're not as good as you think you are,
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: but we'll see. We'll see if they miss him or not.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: But no, obviously right now they're not. But I think
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: it is a combination. Listen, Tootin is the lead back. Yeah,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I will concede and say he is the lead back
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: hands down. Obviously, the numbers speak for it. But I
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: think Rodriguez does his part as well. And I think
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: as long as everybody understands their roles and they can
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: stay healthy, they're going to have success. Not to say
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like if ETN was still here, HN was
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: still here, like he could do his part as well.
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: Probably could have. But no, Pete, to answer your question,
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: they're not missing him. Now, can I ask my question?
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: Sure.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about not taking the field goal
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: and punting after that penalty in that banter?
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: Game?
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: I didn't understand what I didn't understand that he was
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: going to kick the field goal from 64, right?
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: I thought they were trying to get him off sides,
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: and instead of putting out the quarterback, they were doing
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: it with the kicker, which is weird because normally you
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: put out the quarterback like.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: You're going to go for it.
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: Right, but if you're going to get him off sides,
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: then aren't you going to kick the field goal then? Okay,
• 59:29
  Speaker 5: so when he did that, did it go from a
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: 64-yard field goal to a 59-yard field goal if they
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: were going to try it?
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Liam talked about it after the game and said they
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: were never going to try it. They were just– because of–
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: That end of the field, he said, with the wind,
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: it's like an extra four or five yards, and he
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: didn't feel comfortable.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: With where they were. Even from 59?
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: He said with the wind, it adds on to it.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: He didn't feel comfortable at that stage. They were never
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: going to kick it, is what he said.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: And maybe the analytics say when Jamar Chase is.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they would have gone up two scores.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Right, they would have gone up nine.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: If the wind is that bad down there, like in
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: the old giant stadium, you didn't kick long field goals
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: because the wind whipped.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: But could you tell? I couldn't tell.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I think it's also just– I think with a team
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: like with Joe Burrow on a short field and like
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: a momentum thing, like that momentum was really finicky. So
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: I think Liam's a little more– I mean, obviously last
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: year he's very much more aggressive in certain situations, but
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: when it's so quick to like switch momentum with a team,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: like Joe Burrow could have like two passes and then
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: it would be a touchdown and be a completely different game.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: So I think maybe it was bad.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't have tried. I would not have tried the
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: 64 yard field goal that much.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: I know. Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 5: But once I went to 59, I would have considered
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 5: it on normal playing conditions. But now that I hear that,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 5: I'll punt the ball.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Now the punt didn't help the week.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: Your defense had played so well.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 5: Your defense had played so well.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: Why not? Yeah, Pete, I mean, I hear you. But
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: you know what that would have been then? If they
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: would have scored and everything to tie it up and
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: then they somehow find a way to get a field
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: goal or whatever and win the game, then we'll be
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: sitting here on Monday talking about how they should have
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: went for that field goal.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 5: When they would have scored, they would have won with
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: the extra point, right? They would have gone ahead with
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 5: the extra point.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they would have gone ahead by one because they
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: were down by six at the time.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, my bad. Yeah, okay, yeah, you're right.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: Math is not my strongest. So I would have punted
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: them in. Now, I'm not there, so I don't know
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: what the conditions were like.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: But if the conditions were that bad, I'm not trying
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 5: the 59-yard field goal either. The 64-yarder I was never trying.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 5: Punt the damn ball. Your defense had given up 10
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: points all game, and Chase wasn't in the game. So
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: I'm punting the ball.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess I didn't know it was
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: that windy. I mean, it looked great. I mean, once again,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not there, so how would I know? But, like,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: it looked fine on TV. It was an interesting thing.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: It might be one of those stadium quirk things, too.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, got you. Okay.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: Here's what I can't figure out.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: If he wasn't trying the field goal from 59, what
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: the hell did the five yards matter?
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: That's a good point because then you might have not
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: wanted the five yards if you're going to punt it.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Because he saw that turn out.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: Clearly, he thought he could draw him off, right? That's
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 5: why he did that?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: Okay, if you thought you.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: Were drawing him off, why do you want to draw
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: him off if it brings it closer to the end zone?
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if he said they were trying
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: to draw him off. He said they were never going
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: to kick it. Maybe there was a trick play involved.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: But then why take the extra five to make it
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: harder on your punter probably? Yeah, that's not a bad call.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: So I'd like, nobody asked him that question?
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: They asked him after, but his answer was, I was
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: never going to kick it, and that's what he followed
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: it with, and then.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 5: Okay, then why did you take the extra five? That
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: would have been the follow-up question. I want to know
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 5: why he took the extra five. If I asked him,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: I'd ask him, why, Liam, did you want the extra
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: five yards?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Clip it, clip the.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: It's not worth the risk.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: What if you got the five yards and went back
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: the other way?
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Purposefully a delay of game, yeah.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, at the end, well, it worked out.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: But at that moment, I was, I may have been
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: screaming at the TV a little bit because the punt
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: went in the end zone and they're back after 20
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: or whatever it was. I'm just like, man, come on.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 5: Right. The punt went in the end zone. And if
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: I remember correctly, it landed almost in the end. Didn't they,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: did they get their hands on it? I'm trying to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 5: remember that.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: It was, it was, it was in the end zone.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: I forgot who the player was to try to make
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: a play on it, but it just. That's right.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 5: He tried to bat it back in. It was no
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: way of doing it. Maybe if they had the extra
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: five yards, they would have been able.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: To bat the ball. I don't understand.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: That whole scenario was weird to me.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: And I would ask, the follow-up question is, why did
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: you do it? Okay. What's the five yards? Why did
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: you want the five yards? Were you considering the kick?
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: Were you not? Was the win there?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 5: If he knew the win was there, why even do it?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 5: What's the five yards to you? It's not worth it.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: It's a waste of time. I don't know. Well, we'll
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: follow up, Pete. We'll get you the answers you so deserve.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: I'm distracted from Travis HN. Mission accomplished for me.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Very wise.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Mission accomplished.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 5: Because you know Tootin's better. Well, one's not playing.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: One person's playing, Pete. One person's not playing. One's on ice.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: When he's playing, he's better.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: You got it. When he was playing for the Saints,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: he was better.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: All right. We got a lot to look forward to
• 1:04:09
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• 1:04:11
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• 1:04:14
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• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: That's our offense.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 6: It's going to be, it's not everyone's day every Sunday.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: That's the hard part about it. There's only one football.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 6: Our guys showing that they're ready. BT obviously had the touchdown.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 6: Brenton had a huge day. And, you know, our backs
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 6: did some awesome things today. I mean, just, you know,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 6: the ball finds who's open and what the defense kind
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: of dictates. And I think that's a good thing about
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: our guys is they're not selfish. You know, they're pretty
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 6: selfless with how they approach the game plan and the week.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 6: And they know that the ball's going to find who's open.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 6: And I'm trying to do my best, obviously, to get
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: guys the ball in space and let them go play.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 6: And I think guys have done a really good job
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 6: with it.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: Welcome back into Jaguars Happy Hour. That's Trevor Lawrence. Always selfless, Pete.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: The selfless leader that they have. And then the receivers
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: just fall in line. They spread the ball around. It
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: was Brent and Strange's day.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 5: Pete, were you listening?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Pete, were you listening to that?
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't believe it.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 4: I will never believe that.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: The receivers. Receivers are never happy. Ever.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 6: Pete.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Pete, they're winning.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: All we care about is winning around here.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: It's that Jaguars DNA, Pete.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: I bet Parker Washington cares more about his contract than
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: he cares about winning. I don't care what he says.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: All right, Pete, I looked up the post-game transcript for
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: you because I wanted to be detailed in this. So
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: he was asked about the possible long field goal, and
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: this was Liam's answer quoted. No, we weren't going to
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: go for that. We didn't love the distance going into it,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: especially that end of the field historically hasn't been reliable
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: for kickers. We were trying to draw them off, punt
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: and pin, which we did not execute the pin, even
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: though we were really close. Antonio tried to throw it
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: back out, but we didn't execute it to our standards.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: If we'd gotten them on the one or the five,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: we would have been thinking, okay, great, more breathing room,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: felt better about it.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 5: What yard line did they end up punting from?
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: I will look in the drive chart.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: Was it a little over midfield? Well, it was a
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: 64-yard field goal, so it would have been.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: But then they took the penalty. Five-yard penalty.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: So then they crossed the 50 with that?
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: Let's see.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: Okay, I get that idea of that, but why go
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 5: through the whole theatrics of it to get five yards?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 5: Is there some scientific data that says you're better off
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: pinning them if you get five yards? I can't imagine
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 5: that's the case.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: They were on the 41. He punted it into the
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: end zone. They were on their 41, so it was 41.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 4: Why would you want those five yards? You have a
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 4: better chance to get the ball not going in.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 6: The end zone.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: Logan Cook threw the banana ball. I don't know.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 5: Is that better for him?
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Maybe PFF knew something we didn't.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: Who knows, man?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: He's going into the wind. He feels like that felt
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: better for him.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: It's the analytics, Pete.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes the analytics don't always work out.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: And clearly, it didn't work out the right way because
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: it went in the end zone. I know. That is true.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: I know we talked about pass rush not getting home.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: What's another area you really want them to work on
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: going forward? Is it just consistency? Is it getting that
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: breakout in the run game finally? What do you need
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: to see next?
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Pete wants every receiver to get 10 targets a game.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: Can't happen. But I do think they need to open
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: up the passing game.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: A little bit more.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: I would definitely agree.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: Throw to score, run to win. Throw to score, run
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: to win.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: Austin, what do you want to see? What's your... got
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: a most improved what do you want to see.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah i mean i think going forward it's got to
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: be it's it's a tentacle off the passing game it's
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: the deep pass it's it's keeping defenses honest a little
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: bit because eventually what's going to happen is you're going
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: to and once again this is i think the brian
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: thomas jr treatment right now his team they're still worried
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: about getting beat but if he's not going to be
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: getting the reps of that deep ball teams will start
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: cheating up a little more right they'll try to take
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: the run game away take the short passes away and
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: then try to make you beat them deep, which I
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: think the Jaguars are capable of doing. But I would
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: much rather show a lot more deep routes and passes
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: on film because eventually teams are going to stop playing
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: the perimeter like they're doing right now and move everything
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: on the inside. And all of a sudden, Strange is
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: mad because he's not getting any more targets because the
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: inside is maybe getting taken away a little bit.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: And then it's obvious the pass rush, the twitchy pass rush,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: the outside pass rush. That's the number one. Number one
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 5: by far and away.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: What? What do you think they hang their hat on?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: We know what they want their identity to be, but
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: if you're watching this outside perspective and you're trying to
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 3: make a game plan for the Jaguars, what's their, I guess,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: stopping the run, of course? but what's their strengths? Like
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: how would you identify them as a team?
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 5: Well, when I watch them on defense on tape and Austin,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: you'll see this too. They tackle well.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: You know, when a guy catches a pass, down.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't see many missed tackles.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: When a guy in the run game, he goes down.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: That's fair.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: I think that's one of their identities is how well
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: they tackle. They're physical and they tackle well. And, you know,
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: there was a play, I think, was it early in
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: the game where Chase got loose on the sideline on
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: a screen where the two receivers blocked for him? And
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: he was off to the races, but I think Murray
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: came over and tripped him up with one.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, he saved the touchdown.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: Because they were both.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he saved the touchdown. I mean, that's a good tackle.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: That's a good safety tackle. And I think they tackle well.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: And I, that's the important thing. But you know, I
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: asked you this though, Austin, I'm going to ask you
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: this as a defensive guy, he'll know this because you
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 5: play defense. The Texans are giving up 27 points a game.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 6: 27.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: They're 20, they're 26 in the league and scoring defense
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: jacksonville's second when you look at those two defenses and
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 5: you watch them which one if you're a quarterback do
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: you fear.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: More oh i mean come on man you're still because
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: okay do you i mean you're gonna fear the texans
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: more because of the talent that they have but if
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: you look down deep into it the jaguars are far
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: more disciplined now i haven't watched every single houston texans
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: game i watched the cowboys i watched the cowboys game
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: yesterday I feel like Houston's MO has always been just
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: meat and potatoes, relying on your talent to win you
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: football games on defense. I don't know if it's a
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: new coordinator, a new scheme, but like there's guys just
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: not in position and just blown coverages, which is something
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: I feel like Houston has, has never really been known
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: for Pete. So maybe you can speak to it more,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: but I just feel like they are not on the
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: same page. And I don't think it's really, I mean,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: Aziz Alshair didn't play yesterday and that's a big loss,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: but they're just like not on the same page. Yeah.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: And, and when, their corners, which was a strength of
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: that team, were torched on Sunday. I mean, CD Lamb
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 5: killed them. You know, Kwame Lasseter was terrible. And Derek
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: Stingley hasn't been as good this year. So even though
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 5: they're getting the great pass rush, the corner play hasn't
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: been as good.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: So that's part of the problem.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: But again, on paper, and when you watch them get
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 5: into their feeding frenzy, because they do have that outside
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: pass rush, that kind of... is more intimidating than the
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: way Jacksonville plays defense because they don't have that dominant
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: edge rusher.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: Isn't that kind of, it, it describes me to me
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: as like, so you go in against the Texans, you're,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 3: you're physically like they're physical, they're scared. You're going to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: get sacked or you're going to get hit. Like, you know,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: that Jaguars are almost like more irritating. Cause you're like,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: I should be like, you get these huge, like you
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: get a lot of yards, you get these plays, like
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: you're setting it up and then you're not scoring at
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: the end of the drives. I would find it so
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: frustrating because I bet that's a game you go in
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: and And you're like, we should be up by three touchdowns.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: And they just frustrate you. And then you play outside
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: of yourself. You know what I'm saying? It's that frustration
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: that I think builds up.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: I think what we're seeing is one hell of a
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: defensive coordinator. I'll be honest with you.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, I mean.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: Because the sum of the parts....
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: The parts aren't as good as the sum of the parts.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: Also, the staffing he has as well. The linebacker play
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: we've seen. Those two are playing great football.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: His staff as well. Those two together are playing great football.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Everybody. Yeah.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: I mean, I told you last week, Ventral Miller was
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: the number one rated linebacker on Pro Football Focus. And
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: those two guys are playing great football together. They're tackling
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: really well.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: You're playing fast, man. Foye, I don't know what Foye's
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: been on, but Foye looks like I don't know.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: He looks young again.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's insane. And I don't know if that's just
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: the read reaction part of it, but, yeah, I mean,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: in all levels, there's just guys that are willing to
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: react right away, not second-guess themselves, and make plays. And
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: it's really fun to watch.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: And, by the way, I'm not dissing Trayvon and Josh
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: Heinz-Allen because I think they're two really good players. And
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: every team in the league would love to have those
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 5: guys on their team.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: But what they're not is switchy.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: And that's what they need.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 5: So when you talk about their pass, I mean, where
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: do they rank in sacks? I think they're near the top.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 5: They have 12 sacks on the season, I think. They're
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: near the top. They're averaging three sacks a game. Yeah.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 5: That's a tribute to, A, the run defense, B, the
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: fact that Campanile can come up with so many different
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: looks on defense and kind of confuse guys.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: And also they're often scoring up some points, too, where
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: a team's got to pass to try to keep up.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, playing from ahead. It's nice for the Jaguars.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: You know, playing from ahead, you get to do what
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: you actually have planned in practice.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 3: You know, you're not playing from behind.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: And I quick want to answer, because, Kai, your question,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: was it just on defense or was it offense, too,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: we can go with?
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, whatever you think.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, I think that's kind of what
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: we talked about to start the season off, where what
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: their identity is to me and then what they're strong
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: at is their ability to adapt on offense. Where, you know,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: it's almost like when you're playing that Jaguars offense, you're
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: in a boat with a bunch of holes taken on water.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: And you can try to take some of these holes away,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: but you're still taking on water, right? And one week
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: it'll be Brett and Strange. One week it'll be Parker Washington.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: One week it'll be Jacoby Myers. And this is a
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: testament to the quarterback as well now, right? Because now
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Trevor is so confident and poised where he's just finding
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: the open guy.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 3: I'll take what you give me.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in the past he tried to force
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: a couple. We've seen, oh, he's got him wide open
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: the sidelines. He doesn't see him. Now Trevor's seeing things, right?
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: Like Trevor saw Brian Thomas Jr. wide open in the
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: end zone because, well, they kind of double-teamed Parker Washington
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: for no reason in that zone coverage, right? And that's
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: the quarterback being confident and seeing the field, and that's
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: an offense where they have a lot of tentacles where, dude,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: you can attack it in a lot of different ways.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: What do you have?
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 4: What was his final numbers? Because think about it.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: If Parker Washington catches that pass and rolls in for
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: a touchdown, you've got another 40 yards, I think it is,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: and another touchdown. So the numbers look more bloated than
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: they were.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: He was 18 for 23, 227 yards and a touchdown.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe if he's 19 for 24 or 19 for 23
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: for 265 yards or 60 yards and another touchdown, that's
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: a hell of a game.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: He's playing really good football.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: He has command of the offense. But there hasn't been.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 5: Like running the ball and spreading it out and getting
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: everybody into big plays, that hasn't happened yet. It's coming.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: We haven't seen the best of him yet. We haven't
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: seen the best of this offense yet, I don't think.
• 1:15:22
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  Speaker 3: When we return, we're going to talk about the Eagles game.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: The Jaguars are heading to London. They're going to face
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: off against an Eagles team that's trying to figure things
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: out and is banged up right now. We'll talk about
• 1:15:41
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• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: the page. Jaguars players will do this on Wednesday or
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: Tuesday I guess is the off day. So Wednesday is
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: the official we're on to the next game. But we're
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: going to talk about it now because we won't be
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: back until then. But they're heading on the road. They've
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: got two games in London again. They are both home games.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: The first one is against Philly, which if we were
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: looking at the schedule in the beginning of the season
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: was very concerning. But with the current injury situation, Pete,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: what is this Eagles team going to look like?
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: A lot of those guys aren't there. They're going to
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 5: look really bad. And they didn't look good on Sunday.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 5: The Rams didn't play very well. I thought Nick Ceriani
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: made a mistake late in that game. Now the analytics
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 5: guys will tell you that he did the right thing.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: He had a fourth and goal from the two was
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: seven and a half minutes to go in the game.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 5: And he decided to go for it. Well, he didn't
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 5: get it. So he left it at a 10 point game.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: You go up 13. I think in that situation, the
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 5: way his defense had kind of held the Rams in check,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: you got a better chance of winning that game. As
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 5: it turned out, the Rams got two touchdowns and ended
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: up winning the game. So, but the Eagles did not
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 5: look good at all. I mean, Jalen Hurston throw for
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 5: a hundred yards. And then you look at the rest
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: of that game, the offensive line got beat up a
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: little bit. I think defensively they struggled. I mean, once
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 5: Quinion Mitchell went out, they really struggled. So if Quinion
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: Mitchell and Devontae Smith and Goddard and Lane Johnson aren't there,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 5: I think the Jaguars win that game by a touchdown
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: or more.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: Pete, they were struggling a bit before the injuries. Is
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: it coaching? Is there a miscommunication? Is it the offense?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: What's going on?
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 5: Well, it's a new system. It's a new offensive system.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 5: So it's it's supposedly he's under center more, but he
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: was under is not. He was in the shotgun most
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 5: of Sunday, which so they completely abandoned what they keep
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 5: saying they're going to do. And. The offensive line, it's
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: the same thing as it happened last year. Dickerson, the
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: left guard, not playing. Lane Johnson, their best offensive lineman,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: not playing. Cam Juergens moved to guard from center, and
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: they put another kid in at center, Kendall. And Cam
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: Juergens has been terrible at guard. So you add it
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: all up, and your line is a problem. When the
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: line is a problem, then the quarterback's sped up. When
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: the quarterback's sped up, he's not at his best. So
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: I think it's a combination of a bunch of things.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: They've lost a couple.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: In a row. Could the Jaguars be continuing their tailspin?
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: What will it look like if they go and then
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: they get blown out? Philly is just so– I mean,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: in the same way a lot of big sports cities are.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: They're so reactionary.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 4: That one's brutal, though.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: They're already calling for Serie A.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: They've already been calling for it. And once again, we'll
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: see who all plays and who's going to be out
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: right now. It's looking good if you're the Jaguars and everything.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: And I wouldn't even really put them necessarily like a
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: top 10 quarterback right now in Jalen Hurts. But he
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: is a guy that you have to keep in check
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: in terms of his ability to run, right? Because he
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: can beat you with his legs. He can extend plays.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: And when you're starting to break down how the Eagles
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: can have a chance, if Saquon's going to be out,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: if Devontae Smith's going to be out, it's going to
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: be on Jalen Hurts' legs.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: Correct. But again, you have so many linebackers who can
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: run now. Both those guys can run. They tackle well. Look,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: I think they contain him. It's a problem in Philadelphia.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: It really is.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's not a good team right now. They
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: got just gashed in Chicago. They couldn't stop them. Case
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 5: Keenum threw it all over them a couple weeks ago tonight.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: And now they go to the Eagles. I mean, the Rams,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: you got them 20 to 10. You got to win
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: that game.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: Pete, real quick.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: I think there's big problems in Philly.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: Pete, are you more scared for this trip to England?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Are you more scared to take on the Eagles or
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: the Texans who haven't won a game yet?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 5: I'd rather play the Eagles as they are right now. Okay.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 5: The version of this Eagles team is not very good.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Gotcha.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: So, you know, here's the other thing. I remember I
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: was on.
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: the Barstool podcast that PFT, those guys, I was on there.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: There's a flex Pete. Good for you.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: Well, I, cause they, you know what they do?
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: They put me on there and try and get me
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: in trouble. That's what they did.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: That's not hard.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Come on.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: I'm sure the whole mute button wasn't working with their
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: producers from Philly. When I said Trevor, I take Trevor
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 5: Lawrence over Jalen hurts. Is there a person out there
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 5: right now that wouldn't take Trevor Lawrence over Jalen hurts?
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's a no brainer.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: It's his family.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: I think it's a no brainer, Pete. Yeah.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: Even the Eagles would take Trevor Lawrence over Jalen Hurts.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the dude's been to two Super Bowls, and
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: you're still saying that. Right.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: And this is outside perspective fully, but it just feels
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: like you can tell the infightings there. Obviously, there was
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: it last year with A.J. Brown and whatnot, but you
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: can tell just the way they communicate on the sideline,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: even in that Chicago game, the way they were on
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: the sideline. It's just... you're like, I know they're going
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 3: home and fighting. In the locker room, they're screaming, and
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: I just know it's not good. They're trying to hold face,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: but the mask is slipping. Something's going on.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: And it's all predicated off. I mean, listen, their coach.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he can't hold anything in.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: I think they love playing for him right when they're winning.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: Everything's gravy, right? I think Saquon Barkley said it best.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: He's a coach that you want when everything's going good,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: and you don't want to play against him. But I
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: imagine when it's not going so well, then it's hard
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: to kind of wrangle all those, because there's a lot
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: of personalities in that locker room now, right? Like Jalen Carter, personality.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of egos in that locker room.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: Plus, when you get to the mountaintop, and everybody knows this,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 5: the NFL.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: Will never agree to this.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: When you get to the mountaintop, the egos get out
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: of control. And people start looking for credit. And everybody wants,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 5: it's on me. I did it. The quarterback says this.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: And the general manager says that.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: And the coach says that. And every team you've ever
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: been around in the history of this league has said,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: it's not going.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: To happen to us. It happens to all of them.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: Every single one of them.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: This is why I've always had the greatest amount of
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: respect on a guy I got to play for just
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: in a brief period of time for Andy Reid. Because
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: for everything the Kansas City Chiefs had to go through,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: and it's been a laundry list, not even just egos
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: in that locker room, but just the stuff off the
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: field with the coach and just a bunch of things.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: For him to kind of keep it together as much
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: as he has, and I get Patrick Mahomes helps that
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: out a lot, obviously. But I think it's nothing short
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: of historic what Andy Reid would be able to do
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: year in, year out and be consistent throughout. and be
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: a top team. But when he was.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 5: In Philly, when he was in Philly, he had a
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: lot of that crap going on too.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: True, yeah.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 5: They fired him. He went to championship games. He didn't
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: win a Super Bowl. He went to the Super Bowl.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: Didn't win one. They fired him.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: True.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: So he had it going on in Philly too. If
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: your team's good... the egos will come out and everybody
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: will start taking credit. If your team is bad, the
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: egos will come out and everybody will start blaming everybody else.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 5: It happens everywhere. There are a few examples. And Andy
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: Reid in Kansas City has won because he gets along
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: with his GM so well.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 4: But it doesn't happen. Pete Carroll and John Schneider won the.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl together and should have won too. And that
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: thing frayed. They always fray. It always frays. And I've
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: said that to many GMs in this league and presidents
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: and things.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: It'll go rotten.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: You watch.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: It'll happen.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: It'll happen.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: It always does.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: There's some finger pointing, too, because then it's also like,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: now that we're not winning anymore, whose fault is it?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Right, coach.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: That's the ego.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: It's not me.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: It's you.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: It's you.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: It's the quarterback.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: And then when you win, everybody wants the credit. Oh,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: look what I did.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: I got the players. You just coached them up.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: Or when he coaches off his players, you didn't get
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 5: any good players, but I coached them all up, and
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: look what I did. And that becomes the major issue.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 5: It happens everywhere.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: Ego takes a part.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: Look at the 49ers.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: Look at the 49ers.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 5: They had it rolling with Harbaugh, and.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: Jacksonville's GM, Mr. Balke, that was rolling. Well, what happened?
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 5: The egos got in the way. And when the Eagles
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: got in the way, Balke went, right? He got Harbaugh.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 5: He went and got Harbaugh fired. Once Harbaugh got fired,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 5: he brought in his guy that he wanted to be there,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: Tom Sula, who was a defensive line coach, should have.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: Never been a head coach. And the whole thing went
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: apart for a while.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: See, Pete, and this is why it's such a genius
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: move in Jacksonville, but you always make fun of it
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: because they all dress the same. Well, maybe it's for
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: a good reason, man. Maybe they're all kind of the
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: same person. That way, if it does go bad, there's
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: no one to blame because they're all the same type
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: of person, man.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 5: And you know what? They'll do the same. I don't
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 5: care what they say.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: After they win the Super Bowl, according to Pete, it's
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: all going to fall apart.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: If they win the Super Bowl, who's going to get
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 5: the credit for it?
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm just saying. You said they're going to win,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: so they're going to fall apart quickly because they're going
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: to win the Super Bowl this year and then all
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: the egos come out.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: Come on, Pete. It's Jaguars DNA, man. Nah, that ain't
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: going to happen.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I disagree.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: Listen, Tony did a show with you for a decade.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: He had his ego reeled in, was able to keep
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: it in check for that long. So I think he'll
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: be all right.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: You know, if we're sitting here next year talking about
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: egos getting out of control after winning a Super Bowl,
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: I'll take it, man. Like, that'd be fun to talk about.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: Those are good problems to have.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: Who would you give credit for the success right now?
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, let's start. We can start it.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: But between Tony.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 4: Let's start it. If you had to pick one of them,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: where's the credit go?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: Right now?
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 4: Take Buscelli out of the equation.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: I'm not giving him any credit. I'm kidding.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: He's done a really good job.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: He's done a really good job.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: I'm kidding.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: But which one gets the most credit?
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: Short term, you have to go coach, right?
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: It's the coach.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, the coach is going to always.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 5: Be at the forefront. It's definitely Sam Cohn.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: I would give him the most credit.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: But also, GM, like, that's a long time. I mean,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: he's only had two draft classes. Like, a lot of
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 3: these players were already here. So I think.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. And he's at a disadvantage, too, because I
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: always tie the GM to the quarterback. Well, the quarterback
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: was already here, right? So then it's okay. Well, you've
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: got Travis Hunter and so far so good, but obviously
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: you've got to see that for a lot longer.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know what you say, so far so good.
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: There are a lot of people out there that think
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 5: that that trade was not a good trade for Jacksonville.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: Because they play fantasy football, Pete.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 3: And they'll also never be happy with it.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: And I'm not saying they're right or wrong because he's
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: not playing offense right now. That's fine. But they were
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: never going to be happy with that trade value.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 5: But until Sunday, until Sunday when he played every snap,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: it would be hard to push back on that argument.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's worth it.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But then I would say, well, was it worth
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: giving to a first round picture sauce gardener in Indianapolis
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: No, it was not.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: How's that looking? It was not. Yeah.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: I said that when they made the deal.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: So, but, but now if now after Sunday, You saw
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: what that kid can do as a corner.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: Can't take them off.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: That's elite corner play. That's what that was.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: And if you trade, I don't care what you traded
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: to get an elite.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: If you get an elite corner, that's worth it.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: All right, Jaguars are heading to London, so that's your
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: opportunity back here in Jacksonville to cheer them on on Sunday.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: The official away game watch party is going to be
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: at Mr. Chubby's, the Ponte Vedra location. Best wings in
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: town appearances from the Roar in Jacksonville, and there's autographed
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: items and game tickets that are going to be available
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: to win as well. Check out that watch party that's
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: going to be on Sunday. Early, early one. They're in London.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: It's going to be 930. Get your wings in the
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 3: morning with fellow Jags fans.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 6: Mr.
• 1:27:26
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• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: we will go around the NFL, fill you in on
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: all the goings-ons, and maybe talk about officiating again. Welcome
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: back into Jaguars Happy Hour, presented by Mr. Chubby's Wings.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: It's time for us to talk about the NFL as
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: a whole. We're going around the NFL, brought to you
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• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: NFL on CBS Games. And Pete talked some of this,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: but winless, 0-4 Texans. Many may say, oh, C.J. Stroud
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: can't put it together, but the defense... This vaunted defense
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: is not doing what they have been doing. I hope
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: they don't get their first win against the Jaguars. Will
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: they get to that at 0-5? Who are they playing
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: next week? What does that look like?
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: Well, they play the Titans in Tennessee next week. But again,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: those games have always been close, but they should win
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 5: that game. If they don't win that game, major red flag.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: Major red flag. And I did a thing today on
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: our show this afternoon. They had Pete's graveyard, and they
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: wanted me to say whether I buried team or not.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: I buried him.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: I buried him.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: All right, Pete, I got a couple for you. We
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 3: got Bucks, Chargers, Dolphins, and Titans, all also winless. Are
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: you burying all of them or any of them? All
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 3: of them.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: Have been buried. Now, I did say by looking at
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 5: the Texans' schedule that they could be Lazarus and rise
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: from the dead later on, but I don't think so.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: I don't think they will. Hmm.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 3: I feel like the Titans are going to be, I
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: don't know, the Dolphins and the Chargers we've already said could.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: Go or not.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: Remember Goodfellas where they buried the body and they had
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: to go dig it up?
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: Maybe I have to do that. I have to do that.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: The only other team with a win, two wins now,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: within the AFC South, the Colts, but feels like they
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: backed into that one in London as the commanders were
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: on their third-string quarterback out of Rutgers, no less.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: He was getting no calls, by the way, getting hit.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 5: And by the way, even he hit some shots down
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: the field against that Colts defense.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 5: They've been terrible on defense. I don't think they're a
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: real threat. I'll be honest with you. I just don't.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: DeForest Buckner.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: You got to take it seriously.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: Buckner, though, you got to take it seriously. Oh, yeah.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: And they can run the ball with Jonathan Taylor.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: But when Mariota was in the game, the commanders were
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: handling that team.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 4: That was their game.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: And then once he went out, it kind of deflated
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 5: the whole thing.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: Giants in first place in the NFC East. Did you
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: predict this? No.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: Without their starting quarterback.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: Well, they've got their new guy. When are we going
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: to see? Is JJ going to get in? Like, what
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: are they?
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: Jameis actually played pretty good on Sunday. Now you get
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 5: the Jameis Winston experience. You get the two touchdowns and
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 5: you get the two picks. So you're going to get
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 5: that up and down. And you hope it's not game
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 5: to game with him. You hope it's like maybe a
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 5: series or two. But. You know, look, that's not a
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 5: great Cardinals team, and they pushed them to the limit.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: The week before, they were pushed to the limit by
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: the Titans, so I don't know how good they are.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: And this week, they get Washington, who might not have
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 5: their first or second quarterback.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: So we won't know about the Giants for a while.
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: Is that just Harbaugh, like, kind of willing his culture
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 3: into existence? Like, how have they kind of flipped the
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: script there?
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 5: Well, they have a lot of pass rushers, even though
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: they lost Brian Burns. They do have a lot of
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: pass rushers, and if you can rush the passer, you're good.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 5: Scataboo will give him 60 yards a game, which means
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 5: he can give you the tough yards. And when Jameis
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 5: is hot, he's got neighbors to throw to.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: Neighbors can go.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: He has a good game on Sunday.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: Vikings are 4-0. These are like the surprises I've seen
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: so far. Vikings are 4-0 in their first place. It's
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: like you go in and you're like, oh, the Bears
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: are going to be great and the Cowboys are going
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: to be great. And I know we're only a quarter
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: or so through the season, but Vikings are 4-0.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: The power of defense.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 5: Number one scoring defense in the league.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: It's the power of defense right there.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But is that going to be like a Texan situation?
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: Fairly ahead of Jacksonville in terms of points allowed. I
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 5: think they're neck and neck. It's close. Like even a
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 5: point separates them or something. But they're the number one
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 5: scoring defense. That's how they're winning. Brian Flores is a wizard.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 5: He does some really great things and fun things when
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: he plays defense. And they attack you. And they do
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 5: have a twitchy edge rusher in Dallas Turner. who's getting
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 5: to the quarterback. So I think that's their offense is
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: still limited though. Kyler Murray, he played better on Sunday,
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: but he doesn't really scare you.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know. The chiefs give the Raiders their first
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: loss of the season.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: The Raiders were the surprise, you know, the 3-0 surprise
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: to start the year. But is this where it falls
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: off and comes back to reality? Or do you think
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: they can still compete?
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: They competed against the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 5: They competed, but the schedule gets brutal. They go to
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 5: New England, which now looks like a better game than
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: it did a week ago. Then they have, I think,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 5: Buffalo and the Rams, I think.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 4: So next four weeks... We'll know.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 5: And if you were a Jaguar fan, you should be
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 5: rooting hard against the Raiders because if they go into
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 5: the tank, they might be willing to trade Max Crosby.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: Maybe Jacksonville can make a call on him.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: The Ravens are 3-1, but Lamar got hurt. Is that long-term?
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: What's going on with them?
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 5: He left on a boot with a boot on his foot,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: but they said it doesn't seem like it's serious. He
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 5: might have been able to go back in the game,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 5: so it's clearly not a high ankle sprain. They play
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 5: Atlanta this week.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: In Atlanta, do you hold them out?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: Because you know they play Cleveland next week in the division,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 5: and right now those two teams are tied for first
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 5: place in the division. So I don't know. Maybe they
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 5: play cautious with him. We'll see. They said it's not
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: that bad, but he walked out with a boot. I
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: don't know if that's just being cautious or whatever, but
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 5: he did leave the stadium in a boot.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: You mentioned the Browns. Are they good now? Everyone told
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: us after week one that the Browns were terrible, but
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: are they good?
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 5: I don't think they're good, but I don't think they're
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 5: as bad as they looked at Sunday and Jacksonville. Not
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 5: at all. I mean, they're one of those teams that
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: has a lot of young, feisty, tough, good football players,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 5: and they're going to smack you in the mouth. They're
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 5: going to be tough. And then, you know, if Watson
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 5: doesn't kill you... He played pretty good against Pittsburgh the
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 5: other night. And they have young receivers who get open.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: And Judkins can run the ball.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: Concepcion is making a name a little bit. Boston is
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: a deep threat. You guys still harrow Penn. They're a
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: fun offense to watch, I'll be honest.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: And Todd Monken's a great coach. People laughed when he
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 5: got hired. That was stupidity if you laughed that he
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 5: got hired. He's a good coach.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: The Steelers are melting down on the sidelines in the game.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: Both captains?
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: Screaming at the coach, all of that.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: Both captains.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: Can they come back around, or is this– they're just
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: going to be their current state?
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: No, that's just who Eric– that's the– the Rodgers-McCarthy thing,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: that's like– He's been that way.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, two married couples.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: That's the William Cohen last year at Cincinnati– doing this
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: to Trevor and then Trevor doing this.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: That's just, yeah, I don't, I have no problem with
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: any of that.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: But now TJ, TJ, TJ, the bears get a win
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 4: with their third quarterback.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: In four weeks. I said this last night, if he
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: can run for.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: 235 yards, I can turn it handoff and win games.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 5: I mean, seriously, 200. They've got a couple of different times.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 5: I've got over 200 yards rushing as a team to
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 5: 30 where they go to 70 in the week one.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: They run the ball.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 5: They're physical. That's what they want to do. And that
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: takes all the pressure off the quarterback.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: But once again, looking back on the Eagles, it may
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: not be that good. But we saw Case Keenum kind
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: of tear the Eagles apart, though, too.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: Like, I mean, he played good.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: Give Ben Johnson some credit, though, man. Like that guy
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: can be a coach.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: I think he likes that though. I think he's like,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: he wants to, you know, every coach wants to be like,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: I'm so good at coach. I can go with my
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: third string quarterback.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 5: Did you see what he did in the first play
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: of the game on Sunday?
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 3: I did not.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 4: He put Badgett wide, right.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: And put case Keenum under center. So they both were
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: on the field. So, so who gets this? Who gets
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 5: the case? Keenum gets credit for this, for the win.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: Interesting.
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: Can't help himself.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: Playing chess, not checkers.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: That's just being an egomaniac. By the way, they play
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: Green Bay this week. They hate him in Green Bay.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 5: I can tell you that with 100% certainty. And he
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 5: doesn't like them either. That's fun.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because last year during the playoffs, it was the
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: whole handshake thing with Matt LaFleur and everything.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: All right, guys.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 3: Tonight. An NFC South showdown. Division rivals face off in
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: the Big Easy. Atlanta and New Orleans both 1-2. We're
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: going to get their share of the division lead because
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: all it takes is 2-2 in that division. Falcons, Saints,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: who you got?
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: I have the Falcons. I think Bijan Robinson is going
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: to be unstoppable on that fast track tonight. I'm going
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: to take the Falcons. And by the way, it's the
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: 20th anniversary of that returning to the Superdome. And Steve Gleason,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: who sadly now has ALS, terrible. He's the one who
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 5: blocked the punt in that game. That place is going
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: to be just jumping tonight. But Falcon Saints games are
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: always jumping. They're nasty. I'll take the Falcons.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, see, I think this is going to be the one.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: One more time with boom right there. Sorry, Brenton Strange
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: going for that hurdle. I got you. Jacoby Myers comes
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: with a knockout of bounds. I'm going to take the Saints.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be an emotional victory.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: I mean.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: Like Pete said, it's always emotional there, man, but with
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 2: everybody coming back 20 years after Katrina, I'm going to
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: roll with the emotional wave here.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: Austin, here's your chance. You're 1-2 so far on Monday
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: Night Football.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: Pete's 2-1.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: You guys were both wrong last week.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: Game picker up right there.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: We both had the Eagles, didn't we?
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, by a long shot, Pete. Sorry, Ben.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 5: This week we're on opposite sides, so I could go
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 5: to 3-1 or he could tie me.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: I'll see you there, Pete.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: All right, Jaguars head to London. We will still be
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: here with you on Monday. Enjoy the early game this Sunday.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: You've been watching Jaguars. Happy hour.