Latest / Wrongful Conviction / #543 Jason Flom with Jonathan Parker
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- 0:02Speaker 1: On April ninth, nineteen ninety seven, sometime before one am,
- 0:07Speaker 1: two Buffalo police officers were shot, one in the ankle
- 0:11Speaker 1: while the other was killed. The surviving officer gave a
- 0:15Speaker 1: description that was echoed by two others, a light skinned
- 0:18Speaker 1: mail about five to nine in dark clothing. That morning,
- 0:23Speaker 1: nearly a half mile from the scene, police found some
- 0:26Speaker 1: personal effects belonging to Jonathan Parker, a local young man
- 0:30Speaker 1: with a criminal record who was in the middle of
- 0:32Speaker 1: fighting another case. And even though Jonathan didn't match the description,
- 0:37Speaker 1: he was identified by three alleged eyewitnesses, while the surviving
- 0:42Speaker 1: officer would not join them. This is wrongful conviction.
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- 3:04Speaker 1: Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction, where we've got a story
- 3:07Speaker 1: that's been on our radar and living rent free in
- 3:10Speaker 1: my head since we interviewed Keyante Rix back in the
- 3:14Speaker 1: summer of twenty twenty, and we've held back on it
- 3:17Speaker 1: as we were waiting for the case to make its
- 3:19Speaker 1: way through court. But we can't wait any longer, So
- 3:22Speaker 1: calling in now from a prison in upstate New York,
- 3:25Speaker 1: we've got the man himself, Jonathan Parker. Thank you for calling.
- 3:28Speaker 4: In, Jonathan, no problem, I appreciate you.
- 3:31Speaker 1: And joining him. We have the paralegal who worked on
- 3:33Speaker 1: Kanty Rix's case, Carl Deviver, and well, we're going to
- 3:36Speaker 1: link Kyante's story in the episode description. You have to
- 3:39Speaker 1: hear it to believe it. Carl, Thanks for being here.
- 3:41Speaker 5: Thanks for being somebody willing to do something to help Jonathan.
- 3:45Speaker 1: And Carl didn't start out as a paralegal.
- 3:48Speaker 5: I had been a police offer shake twenty seven years.
- 3:52Speaker 5: I didn't like what I saw wrongfully convicted people riding
- 3:56Speaker 5: away in jail for crime. So I did not commit
- 4:00Speaker 5: and felt that I should use what energy I have
- 4:04Speaker 5: to try to seek vindication. So I studied law and
- 4:09Speaker 5: switched into that.
- 4:11Speaker 1: Also, we have Jonathan's attorney, Stephen Metcalf. Stephen, thanks for
- 4:15Speaker 1: being here absolutely. So let's start by hearing about Jonathan's
- 4:19Speaker 1: childhood in Buffalo. How was it growing up there?
- 4:22Speaker 4: I grew up on the east side of Buffalo, the Projects,
- 4:26Speaker 4: about the age of seven or eight years old. About
- 4:28Speaker 4: the purchase the house which was three blocks away from
- 4:32Speaker 4: the projects. At the age of about unteen or fourteen,
- 4:36Speaker 4: I started getting into problems in school. Maybe no disruptive
- 4:40Speaker 4: in class. I didn't get into too many fights, just
- 4:44Speaker 4: you know, general things that teenage boys do. So they're
- 4:47Speaker 4: sitting to was known as Buffalo Alternative School, into more
- 4:52Speaker 4: trouble and I was placed in a group of homes
- 4:56Speaker 4: was known as Lincoln Hall from fifteen to sixteen. After
- 5:00Speaker 4: being released from Lincoln Hall again went to Buffalo Tournative
- 5:05Speaker 4: High School. Once you do a lot of times, you
- 5:09Speaker 4: returned to a normal high school of South Park High
- 5:13Speaker 4: School didn't want to accept me because I was a
- 5:15Speaker 4: year behind the man and I kind of dropped out
- 5:19Speaker 4: of high school, at which point I got involved in
- 5:23Speaker 4: quote unquote the street life.
- 5:25Speaker 1: If anyone ever wanted to know what the praise school
- 5:28Speaker 1: to prison pipeline means, it sounds like Jonathan is the
- 5:32Speaker 1: living proof of it. During the crack epidemic, no less,
- 5:35Speaker 1: and this area in East Buffalo, specifically on Gerard Place,
- 5:39Speaker 1: was an open air drug market which came along with
- 5:42Speaker 1: extreme poverty and occasional bursts of violence.
- 5:46Speaker 4: It was a violent period of the city of Buffalo.
- 5:48Speaker 4: A lot of crime, young men involved in the street life,
- 5:51Speaker 4: shooting at each other, Southern crack, coquaine, marijuana, things of
- 5:56Speaker 4: that nature. The police just because they see you on
- 5:59Speaker 4: the street, young guys know they would pick you up,
- 6:02Speaker 4: shake you down. And I was long to frequent that neighborhood.
- 6:06Speaker 1: Well, as we all know, the crack epidemic ushered in
- 6:09Speaker 1: so called tough on crime policies and politicians and legislation
- 6:13Speaker 1: that instituted mandatory minimum sentences, funded task forces in the
- 6:17Speaker 1: so called high traffic areas, and any means necessary attitude
- 6:21Speaker 1: toward removing anyone they suspected of being involved in drug trafficking.
- 6:26Speaker 3: Every time I investigator speak to anybody about this, they've
- 6:30Speaker 3: said the same thing. Jonathan Parker was someone who they
- 6:34Speaker 3: wanted off the streets by any means. Apparently that meant
- 6:38Speaker 3: to them at this time, and.
- 6:40Speaker 1: As we've seen, that could mean framing someone for murder.
- 6:43Speaker 1: And the first attempt on Jonathan came within January nineteen
- 6:45Speaker 1: ninety seven murder of a man named Leroy Lewis.
- 6:48Speaker 3: Listen to this defendant of Pella. Jonathan Parker was convicted
- 6:51Speaker 3: in the US District Court for the Western District of
- 6:54Speaker 3: New York of killing Leroy Lewis while engaged in a
- 6:58Speaker 3: conspiracy to possess with intended distribute crack. On appeal, Parker
- 7:03Speaker 3: challenges the sufficiency of the government's evidence. The government produced
- 7:07Speaker 3: no direct or physical evidence establishing Parker as the shooter,
- 7:12Speaker 3: no eyewitness testimony to the shooting, any statements concerning the
- 7:15Speaker 3: circumstances of the shooting. No evidence was introduced as the motive,
- 7:19Speaker 3: no murder weapon was found. The government's evidence was entirely circumstantial.
- 7:26Speaker 3: It was a statement base upon a statement upon a statement,
- 7:30Speaker 3: but nothing to tie Jonathan to the murder other than
- 7:34Speaker 3: lay opinion testimony. Specifically, whether a small bulge in Parker's
- 7:40Speaker 3: jacket viewed from a distance was a handgun, and hey,
- 7:45Speaker 3: he looked a little suspicious after the fact. Basically, Jonathan
- 7:49Speaker 3: got convicted and they didn't have shit.
- 7:51Speaker 1: So that conviction was overturned in two thousand and two.
- 7:54Speaker 1: But they had already buried Jonathan with two other sentences,
- 7:57Speaker 1: only one of which was based in fact, which was
- 8:00Speaker 1: a weapons possession charge. And the same officers who were
- 8:03Speaker 1: shot in this case, they were the ones who arrested
- 8:06Speaker 1: Jonathan and he pleaded guilty.
- 8:09Speaker 4: Yes, I have played guilty to the weapons possessor's charges.
- 8:12Speaker 4: You no more than a three and a half to
- 8:15Speaker 4: nine sentence. I believe it might have been that morning
- 8:18Speaker 4: from an interview with that with a probation officer to
- 8:21Speaker 4: do a probation report to prepare it for my centisces.
- 8:25Speaker 1: So Jonathan had this probation officer's business card in his
- 8:27Speaker 1: jacket that night, which he wore to a party which
- 8:30Speaker 1: was about a five minute walk from the crime scene
- 8:32Speaker 1: in this case, but according to both Jonathan and witnesses
- 8:35Speaker 1: from the party, he had left his jacket, his hat,
- 8:38Speaker 1: and his beeper at the party before leaving.
- 8:40Speaker 4: Actually, I left the resident in a cab with my
- 8:43Speaker 4: cousin to my home with the attention of returning to
- 8:46Speaker 4: the resident. I never returned to the residents because I
- 8:49Speaker 4: was supposed to be meeting up with a young woman.
- 8:52Speaker 4: So my cousin left and I came to our house
- 8:55Speaker 4: around the corner from this in a cab. When I'm
- 8:57Speaker 4: pulling up in a cab, they literally are scolar in
- 9:00Speaker 4: the neighborhood. She got in the cab and we went
- 9:03Speaker 4: back to my own.
- 9:04Speaker 1: By the time he was picking up this young lady
- 9:07Speaker 1: around one am, the shooting had already occurred near the
- 9:10Speaker 1: corner of Northampton and East Parade now. According to Officer
- 9:13Speaker 1: Michael Martinez, at around twelve forty five am, he and
- 9:17Speaker 1: his partner, Charles Skip McDougall spotted a suspicious individual who
- 9:23Speaker 1: they believed might have stolen a car.
- 9:25Speaker 5: They say when they hailed this person that he simply
- 9:30Speaker 5: opened fire on them, hit the one in the foot,
- 9:34Speaker 5: and then shot McDougall and killed him.
- 9:38Speaker 4: Martinez he actually gave the initial description in it. It was
- 9:41Speaker 4: a light skinned male of proximmand five nine of maybe
- 9:46Speaker 4: a shade removed from being darve skinned for sure of
- 9:49Speaker 4: nowhere near five. I'm five six and a half and.
- 9:55Speaker 1: Officer Martinez knew what Jonathan looked like from prior arrests,
- 9:58Speaker 1: and we can only presume that he would have interested
- 10:00Speaker 1: in catching his own shooter. Right. And two more witnesses,
- 10:04Speaker 1: James Gaines and Event Pryor, agreed this shooter was a
- 10:08Speaker 1: light skinned guy about five foot nine, and they added
- 10:11Speaker 1: that he wore dark clothing and white sneakers, and they
- 10:14Speaker 1: said he had run up East Parade toward Fujuran. So
- 10:18Speaker 1: police scoured the area looking for someone meeting that description,
- 10:21Speaker 1: as well as witnesses and evidence. And it appears that
- 10:24Speaker 1: the narrative about Jonathan may have begun to emerge with
- 10:27Speaker 1: the discovery of his jacket, hat and beeper, the ones
- 10:30Speaker 1: that he left at the party.
- 10:32Speaker 4: They say they found in a backyard. So May the
- 10:35Speaker 4: District Attorney had a witness said that maybe an hour
- 10:40Speaker 4: or two prior to this incident, that I was in
- 10:43Speaker 4: a house full of people and then I left out
- 10:46Speaker 4: of the house, leaving my jacket in that house and
- 10:50Speaker 4: never returned. The house was located near the corner of
- 10:53Speaker 4: Fugean and Fillmore, unless they founded in a backyard on
- 10:58Speaker 4: the next street over from fuge which is oben Well.
- 11:02Speaker 1: No one has offered information about how these items left
- 11:05Speaker 1: the house party, but Jonathan's probation officer's business card was
- 11:09Speaker 1: inside the jacket. At this point, it seems the investigation
- 11:13Speaker 1: steered away from whoever Officer Martinez, James Gaines, and Yvette
- 11:18Speaker 1: Fryar had described and focused in on Jonathan, who had
- 11:22Speaker 1: just pled guilty. The weapons charges and the Leroy Lewis
- 11:25Speaker 1: charges were still looming.
- 11:26Speaker 5: I have several cases like that where they say, he's
- 11:30Speaker 5: a nasty street kid, let's get him off the streets.
- 11:34Speaker 5: We know he didn't kill Skip, but he's a trouble
- 11:38Speaker 5: let's get him off the streets.
- 11:40Speaker 4: I actually remember, ironically, I was sitting in the house
- 11:43Speaker 4: with one of my cousins and we were watching the
- 11:46Speaker 4: news when they first booke about the incident, and my
- 11:50Speaker 4: cousin made it common to the extent of, you know,
- 11:53Speaker 4: she felt sorry for whoever they ended up picking up
- 11:56Speaker 4: for this because of the climate of things in Buffalo
- 12:01Speaker 4: just prior to this, I want to say, maybe within
- 12:03Speaker 4: a year, so a year and a half half, it
- 12:06Speaker 4: has so where young black males were still being ended
- 12:13Speaker 4: plice to call.
- 12:15Speaker 1: But if they were going to get Jonathan, they needed
- 12:17Speaker 1: a lot more than just finding his belongings nearly a
- 12:21Speaker 1: half a mile away from the crime scene. So it
- 12:23Speaker 1: was at this time that lead investigator Andre Ortiz approached
- 12:27Speaker 1: another man known to frequent the open air drug market. Now,
- 12:30Speaker 1: this guy was named Aaron Yarborough, and he was known
- 12:33Speaker 1: to sell random items, and according to subsequent statements, he
- 12:37Speaker 1: had told them that he was in the pharmacy on
- 12:39Speaker 1: Northampton and Fillmore when he heard the gunshots. But something
- 12:44Speaker 1: which we're going to get into later led him to
- 12:47Speaker 1: tell a very different story on April tenth.
- 12:51Speaker 3: This is a statement that he gave to the police
- 12:52Speaker 3: at the time, and anytime he refers to Parker, he
- 12:55Speaker 3: calls him Face. Well, I was on the corner of
- 12:58Speaker 3: Northampton in East Parade when I had seen Face Now.
- 13:02Speaker 3: I asked him if he wanted to buy a CD player.
- 13:05Speaker 3: He said yeah, but the price that we talked about
- 13:08Speaker 3: wasn't going to fulfill. So I went up East Parade.
- 13:12Speaker 3: We seen Junior sitting in a white Chevy Caprice and
- 13:15Speaker 3: he agreed to one hundred dollars. So this is a
- 13:18Speaker 3: CD player and he paid me the money and then
- 13:20Speaker 3: I went down the street towards Northampton and East Parade
- 13:23Speaker 3: where I heard some shots when I had seen face
- 13:26Speaker 3: ran past me holding a gun at his side.
- 13:29Speaker 4: Soon after that, I've seen my picture on the news
- 13:33Speaker 4: saying that I was assister. So I got in contact
- 13:37Speaker 4: with Tourny Paul Hermy, and he didn't have much detail.
- 13:41Speaker 4: It forged me to turn myself in.
- 13:43Speaker 6: If I had nothing to high, but I didn't have
- 13:46Speaker 6: anything now, so I asked him to come pick me
- 13:49Speaker 6: up and take me to turn myself in. I was
- 13:51Speaker 6: arrested April eleventh, nineteen ninety.
- 13:54Speaker 4: Seven, and I've been in prison ever since.
- 14:14Speaker 3: At approximately twenty fifteen hours on April eighteen, nineteen ninety seven,
- 14:18Speaker 3: Aaron Yarborough stated that himself and Jonathan Parker were outside
- 14:22Speaker 3: his uncle's house on Josephine Street when the police raided it.
- 14:27Speaker 3: Jonathan Parker pointed to officer McDougall and stated, that's the
- 14:32Speaker 3: guy who arrested me for the gun. I'm going to
- 14:35Speaker 3: get that motherfucker. So they used Aaron to basically show
- 14:39Speaker 3: a history or a motive.
- 14:41Speaker 7: Here.
- 14:42Speaker 3: April twenty second, Aaron Yarborough was put into a Buffalo
- 14:46Speaker 3: Hilton Hotel, Room two ten. This is a guy who's
- 14:49Speaker 3: selling CD players walking down the street now is getting
- 14:53Speaker 3: put up in a hotel for who knows how long
- 14:56Speaker 3: to make a very easy statement.
- 14:58Speaker 1: And that's what we'll find out this It was far
- 15:00Speaker 1: better treatment than he was originally offered, but a few
- 15:03Speaker 1: statements from a guy with substance abuse issues is not
- 15:06Speaker 1: going to cut it. So on April twenty eighth, police
- 15:08Speaker 1: approached Aaron Lott and his wife Cassandra Salinas, who had
- 15:12Speaker 1: an encounter with officers MacDougall and Martinez on the night
- 15:17Speaker 1: of April eighth.
- 15:18Speaker 7: Ten forty five.
- 15:19Speaker 3: Aaron Lott is sitting in a parking lot with our
- 15:21Speaker 3: driver's license while Cassandra's in work. He gets a ticket,
- 15:26Speaker 3: the car gets impounded. McDougal and Martinez are the officers
- 15:31Speaker 3: on that ticket and on the impound documentation. Cassandra gets
- 15:37Speaker 3: out of work at about eleven fifteen. Her and Aaron
- 15:41Speaker 3: then make their way to the police precinct. Then they
- 15:44Speaker 3: never actually got the car back that night.
- 15:48Speaker 1: However, it was stated in a report that officer Martinez
- 15:51Speaker 1: had recognized Lot and Selinas as they passed each other
- 15:54Speaker 1: on Northampton Street moments before the shooting because they were
- 15:57Speaker 1: in the same car in which Lot had been ticket earlier.
- 16:01Speaker 1: This is allegedly how they knew to approach Lot for
- 16:04Speaker 1: a statement. But as the narrative goes, Aaron and Cassandra,
- 16:08Speaker 1: as well as a driver passed the scene in a
- 16:10Speaker 1: Ford Explorer, not a Hyundai Excel, and to top it off,
- 16:14Speaker 1: the Ford Explorer had tinted windows. It's only discovered many
- 16:17Speaker 1: years later that Aaron Lott was exchanging testimony for leniency
- 16:22Speaker 1: in his own charges. You probably saw that coming. Nevertheless,
- 16:26Speaker 1: he gave a statement nineteen days after the crime that
- 16:29Speaker 1: as they rolled down Northampton, he and Cassandra saw Jonathan
- 16:34Speaker 1: crossing the street. He yelled yo to the car as
- 16:38Speaker 1: they passed, and they turned around to witness the shooting
- 16:42Speaker 1: through the Explorer's back window.
- 16:45Speaker 5: And the driver of the truck. He was never called.
- 16:49Speaker 5: We presume that since the cops had no hold on him,
- 16:54Speaker 5: it wasn't facing anything, they wouldn't testify. It might even
- 16:58Speaker 5: be a Brady issue. We don't know what he originally
- 17:01Speaker 5: told the cops. We just know he never testified.
- 17:05Speaker 4: All the witnesses aged some type of ulterior motive, with
- 17:09Speaker 4: the exception.
- 17:09Speaker 5: Of Aaron Lotte's wife. She basically agreed with what said
- 17:17Speaker 5: the storers lined up very well because it was orchestrated, with.
- 17:21Speaker 1: The community and media calling for blood, and the context
- 17:24Speaker 1: of Jonathan's weapon's possession, guilty plea and other pending murder case.
- 17:28Speaker 1: The district attorney sought the death penalty, and as we
- 17:31Speaker 1: often see in capital cases, a ton of circumstantial evidence
- 17:34Speaker 1: is produced to try to ensure a win, but without
- 17:38Speaker 1: the support of a relatively small amount of consequential direct evidence,
- 17:44Speaker 1: the circumstantial evidence tends to lose its meaning. For example,
- 17:47Speaker 1: there was James Gaines and Evette Fryar who echoed Officer
- 17:50Speaker 1: Martinez's description and confirmed that the assailant ran in the
- 17:54Speaker 1: direction of where Jonathan's belongings were discovered, granting that evidence
- 18:00Speaker 1: of validity. And then along came Aaron Yarborough, without the
- 18:05Speaker 1: critically important context of how his statement came to.
- 18:09Speaker 4: Be, He said that just prior to this incident that
- 18:14Speaker 4: he was attempted to sell me. I believe you said
- 18:17Speaker 4: it was some CDs and I don't even think I
- 18:21Speaker 4: had seen him that day.
- 18:23Speaker 1: Yarborough also said that he saw Jonathan running from the
- 18:27Speaker 1: scene with a gun in the direction of where police
- 18:29Speaker 1: found his belongings. Again granting a cent of validity to
- 18:33Speaker 1: that evidence, and then, unbeknownst to the defense, Aaron Lott
- 18:37Speaker 1: was trading testimony for a time cut when he parroted
- 18:40Speaker 1: what he'd already said in his statement and the grand
- 18:43Speaker 1: jury then Cassandra bolstered his credibility with what they claimed
- 18:48Speaker 1: to see while being driven down Northampton that same night.
- 18:52Speaker 4: There was the driver, which I'm still confused as to
- 18:55Speaker 4: why he was never called to testify, other than maybe
- 18:59Speaker 4: the fact that he wasn't being cooperative like Aaron Yardborough
- 19:03Speaker 4: and air a.
- 19:04Speaker 1: Lot, or maybe he didn't actually exist also possible. Then
- 19:09Speaker 1: the police officer Michael Martinez testified to the narrative of
- 19:12Speaker 1: the shooting, but would not positively I d Jonathan.
- 19:16Speaker 5: He wasn't sure that it was Parker. Even on the stands,
- 19:20Speaker 5: he wouldn't lie and say it was definitely Parker. It
- 19:24Speaker 5: could have been Parker. So he's he's one of the
- 19:28Speaker 5: not willing to totally perjure himself cops.
- 19:32Speaker 1: And Martinez was cross examined with his initial description.
- 19:36Speaker 4: I was positive I was going to get acquitted. I
- 19:39Speaker 4: know I have anything to do with it, and how
- 19:42Speaker 4: already came into the prison system for my other weapon
- 19:45Speaker 4: possessed his charges. But I was confident I was going
- 19:47Speaker 4: to be leaving out of that court room to finish
- 19:49Speaker 4: my censes and eventually be home to my family.
- 19:52Speaker 1: And maybe he would have, but it seems like his attorney,
- 19:55Speaker 1: Jim Harrington, didn't want to take that gamble, so in closing,
- 20:00Speaker 1: he tried a strategy that was not aimed at acquittal.
- 20:02Speaker 1: In fact, the opposite.
- 20:05Speaker 5: Harrington was a death penalty attorney, and he said so
- 20:10Speaker 5: in his affidavit that his job was not so much
- 20:14Speaker 5: as to acquit Jonathan, but to keep him alive. So
- 20:18Speaker 5: trying to create sympathy or pity from the jury, He said,
- 20:24Speaker 5: Jonathan did it, but it was in the spur of
- 20:26Speaker 5: the moment. He didn't plan on doing it, which is all. Yes,
- 20:32Speaker 5: he never did it at all.
- 20:33Speaker 4: I made him very weird that I was innocent of
- 20:36Speaker 4: this crime. I'm sitting in the courtroom and it was
- 20:40Speaker 4: only by sheer will that I did act a fool.
- 20:42Speaker 4: At the time, my defense wasn't a defense geared towards
- 20:47Speaker 4: guilty innocence. It was geared towards life with death. I've
- 20:50Speaker 4: got life without the possibility of growl, which is just death.
- 20:55Speaker 4: By incarcerations. I've had close to thirty years to think
- 21:15Speaker 4: about it. But when you go back to the initial description,
- 21:19Speaker 4: you have a police officer, who we know are trained observers,
- 21:25Speaker 4: who said that the perpetrator in his crime was a
- 21:28Speaker 4: liceicined bail five nine and these are things that are
- 21:32Speaker 4: reasonable tryer in fact, when you say, okay, you got
- 21:35Speaker 4: a young man sitting in the court room in front
- 21:37Speaker 4: of you who is maybe a shade removed from being
- 21:40Speaker 4: darb skinned, but three or four shades removed from being licekined.
- 21:45Speaker 4: And again, like I said, I'm five to six maybe
- 21:48Speaker 4: five six and a half. Then we go back to
- 21:51Speaker 4: Latina's being shot on the passenger side of the car,
- 21:55Speaker 4: but the suspect shooting from the driver side of the car.
- 21:59Speaker 4: I don't understand how person gets shot in the ankle.
- 22:02Speaker 4: Then you're saying you found a weapon that's who alleged
- 22:06Speaker 4: that have been used in this incident at the nine
- 22:09Speaker 4: milimeter seventeen clock, which is the exact same weapons that
- 22:13Speaker 4: police officers are issued to carry when they all duty.
- 22:18Speaker 5: The street version is that McDougal didn't want to be
- 22:22Speaker 5: dirty anymore. Everybody spoken to says that the cops killed
- 22:28Speaker 5: Skip because he wanted to go clean and they were
- 22:31Speaker 5: afraid he'd reveal their antics, so they killed them. Allegedly,
- 22:37Speaker 5: they took their time getting to the hospital to make
- 22:40Speaker 5: sure Skip was dead allegedly, but before.
- 22:44Speaker 1: Carl spoke to anyone, Jonathan did his direct appeal, subsequent appeal,
- 22:48Speaker 1: and federal havias, which took about twelve years to finally
- 22:52Speaker 1: all be denied. Twelve long years, during which time the
- 22:55Speaker 1: lead investigator on this case, Detective Andrea Ortiz, was himself
- 22:59Speaker 1: arrest in connection with his involvement with a local drug
- 23:03Speaker 1: trafficking organization headed by an individual named Frankie Johnson.
- 23:07Speaker 3: Detective or Ties in the Western District of New York
- 23:12Speaker 3: took a play on a two thousand and four case. Now,
- 23:16Speaker 3: this plea agreement is ten pages. This was the most
- 23:19Speaker 3: substantive document that I could find with regards to this case,
- 23:23Speaker 3: because everything else I searched for was under seal, and
- 23:27Speaker 3: the plea agreement essentially lays out what he pled to
- 23:30Speaker 3: fraud and related activity in connection with computers or Tees.
- 23:35Speaker 1: Agreed to plead guilty to accessing a Justice Department criminal
- 23:39Speaker 1: database and then sharing that information with this notorious drug
- 23:43Speaker 1: kingpin Frankie Johnson. Now who knows what it was used for.
- 23:47Speaker 1: I mean, my mind doesn't go to a good place.
- 23:50Speaker 3: If he's going to utilize his access as a Buffalo
- 23:54Speaker 3: police officer and passed that information along to someone who's
- 23:58Speaker 3: not a police or someone who may be in the streets,
- 24:02Speaker 3: and that was alleged here.
- 24:03Speaker 7: There has to be a history there.
- 24:05Speaker 3: And there's probably a bunch of other things that are
- 24:08Speaker 3: being exchanged as well. It just so happened to be
- 24:12Speaker 3: that this is what they caught, or this what was
- 24:15Speaker 3: on their radar, or this is what they were able
- 24:18Speaker 3: to say was ultimately past to someone who shouldn't have
- 24:21Speaker 3: gotten this information. And also, in order for the FEDS
- 24:25Speaker 3: to take on a case like this, there has to
- 24:28Speaker 3: be substantial ties to criminal activity that far exceed this
- 24:33Speaker 3: for this to even become an issue in the Fed world.
- 24:37Speaker 7: This is a nominal crime that he took a plea to.
- 24:41Speaker 1: According to his plea deal, he'd either do one year
- 24:43Speaker 1: in prison, pay a fine, or both. A sweet deal
- 24:47Speaker 1: when you think about it, for his role in this
- 24:51Speaker 1: drug organization for which guys like Jonathan may end up
- 24:54Speaker 1: in and out of prison for life.
- 24:56Speaker 3: So whatever this guy was able to really work out,
- 25:00Speaker 3: it seems like it was actually a slap on the wrist.
- 25:03Speaker 3: The maximum possible sentences are usually just statutory and don't
- 25:07Speaker 3: actually apply.
- 25:08Speaker 4: I can't honestly speak accurately to what was going on
- 25:12Speaker 4: with those officers at the time, but as evidently something
- 25:15Speaker 4: was going on because I say, aside from the technive
- 25:18Speaker 4: war piece, there was another police officers and detectives. They
- 25:21Speaker 4: were also brought up on.
- 25:23Speaker 1: Corruption charges, which begins to grant a sent of validity
- 25:27Speaker 1: to that street version of events that Karl was talking about.
- 25:30Speaker 1: And then Aaron Yarborough came forward to shed even more
- 25:34Speaker 1: light on the situation.
- 25:36Speaker 4: Somewhere around twenty twelve, Aaron Yarborough actually ran into a
- 25:40Speaker 4: family member of mine and was saying that he had
- 25:44Speaker 4: got sick and he was likely to have long to
- 25:48Speaker 4: live and he was feeling guilty about what he had
- 25:51Speaker 4: done and he just wanted to tell the truth about it.
- 25:53Speaker 5: Aaron Yarborough, who now has passed away, said that he
- 25:57Speaker 5: was at a drug store nearby and see anything, but
- 26:01Speaker 5: the cops told him exactly what they wanted him to
- 26:04Speaker 5: say he saw.
- 26:06Speaker 3: So Yarborough actually gives a sworn statement wherever. He says
- 26:10Speaker 3: that testimony that I then offered was false and totally untrue.
- 26:15Speaker 3: I was told what to say that I had seen.
- 26:19Speaker 3: He basically says, I did not see Jonathan Parker at
- 26:23Speaker 3: or near the scene of the murder. I definitely did
- 26:26Speaker 3: not see Jonathan Parker shoot a Buffalo Police officer. I
- 26:30Speaker 3: had been around the corner store a block away from
- 26:33Speaker 3: the shooting when I heard the noise. I looked out
- 26:36Speaker 3: to see what was happening. I saw many police cars
- 26:40Speaker 3: going by, so I quickly left the area. Later that evening,
- 26:45Speaker 3: homicide Detective Andre Ortiz and a bunch of other cops
- 26:51Speaker 3: captured me. He actually uses the word captured me.
- 26:54Speaker 5: Detective Ortiese had threatened him that if he didn't lie
- 26:59Speaker 5: and that he saw Jonathan do the shooting, that he
- 27:04Speaker 5: would take him out in the cornfields and blow his
- 27:08Speaker 5: head off.
- 27:09Speaker 3: He said that he knew the reputation of Detective Ortz.
- 27:14Speaker 3: He was afraid for his life, so he agreed to
- 27:17Speaker 3: see whatever they told me to say. At Jonathan Parker's
- 27:20Speaker 3: murder triumph. Now that Detective Ortiz is no longer a
- 27:24Speaker 3: Buffalo Police detective and therefore can no longer kill me
- 27:28Speaker 3: for telling the truth. I am now willing to tell
- 27:31Speaker 3: the absolute truth.
- 27:32Speaker 1: By the time Yarboro came clean, Jonathan had connected with
- 27:36Speaker 1: Keantay Ricks in prison, who put him in contact with
- 27:39Speaker 1: Carl and Stephen, who began reinvestigating the case and recording
- 27:44Speaker 1: these affidavits. So they also visited Aaron Lott.
- 27:49Speaker 5: According to Aaron lott subsequent statement, there was a Ford
- 27:53Speaker 5: Explorer that had gone by. According to the witnesses, they
- 27:57Speaker 5: were all the way down to the next life on
- 28:01Speaker 5: Fillmore when they heard the shots. They didn't see anything.
- 28:05Speaker 5: Aaron Lott. He was facing federal prison time for drugs.
- 28:10Speaker 5: The police said, we'll make it go away if you'll
- 28:13Speaker 5: say you're a block back and saw this whole thing,
- 28:17Speaker 5: which he did.
- 28:18Speaker 1: But now we get to how they knew to approach
- 28:20Speaker 1: Aaron Lott for testimony. Remember, he wasn't in the Hyundai
- 28:24Speaker 1: Excel that Officer Martinez had seen him in earlier that night.
- 28:27Speaker 1: He was in this Ford Explorer with tinted windows. It
- 28:31Speaker 1: appears that Aaron Lott had already been cooperating with the Feds,
- 28:35Speaker 1: but strangely that wasn't information that was readily available even
- 28:40Speaker 1: if trial counsel wanted to find it, or anyone else
- 28:44Speaker 1: for that matter.
- 28:46Speaker 7: I'm looking for Aaron Lott. Why do I not.
- 28:48Speaker 3: Find anything in Aaron Lot Because I discovered that he's
- 28:51Speaker 3: going by his criminal cases Aaron Davis, and I have
- 28:55Speaker 3: confirmed with the District Attorney's office that Aaron Davis in
- 28:59Speaker 3: this key is Aaron Lott. And specifically, the plea agreement
- 29:06Speaker 3: that I received with regards to Aaron Lott pertains to
- 29:11Speaker 3: a nineteen ninety five Western District case. But on the
- 29:18Speaker 3: plea there is a actual stamp about his plea agreement
- 29:23Speaker 3: being in December of nineteen ninety seven. So here's the
- 29:29Speaker 3: entry of guilt from sometime in nineteen ninety three and
- 29:33Speaker 3: continuing through September ninety four. Defendant Aaron Davis aka Aaron
- 29:37Speaker 3: Lott knowingly, intentionally and willfully agree to assist Dexter Hennings
- 29:43Speaker 3: and others in purchasing, storing, and selling cocaine and cocaine
- 29:47Speaker 3: based crack in Buffalo, New York and elsewhere in the
- 29:51Speaker 3: Western District. Forty one grams of cocaine base and one
- 29:56Speaker 3: hundred and thirty grams of cocaine are the amounts in
- 30:00Speaker 3: his relevant conduct. Now they were talking about a mandatory
- 30:05Speaker 3: minimum of five.
- 30:07Speaker 1: It's the perfect time, actually for me to point out
- 30:09Speaker 1: the one hundred and one sentencing disparity between crack and
- 30:12Speaker 1: powder cocaine. Five grams of crack meant a minimum of
- 30:15Speaker 1: five years, fifty grams carried a minimum of ten years.
- 30:19Speaker 1: But compared to sentencing for powder cocaine, which was more
- 30:22Speaker 1: popular in wealthier and wider circles, it would take five
- 30:28Speaker 1: hundred grams of powder cocaine to trigger the very same
- 30:31Speaker 1: mandatory five year sentence that someone could get with just
- 30:34Speaker 1: five grams of crack. Meanwhile, simple possession of even one
- 30:39Speaker 1: hundred and thirty grams of cocaine was just a misdemeanor
- 30:41Speaker 1: punishable by up to a year in prison. Now, I'll
- 30:45Speaker 1: let you make your own inferences about why this disparity existed.
- 30:49Speaker 1: We spoke with Senator Dick Durbin about how he worked
- 30:52Speaker 1: to correct that disparity with the bill that he proposed,
- 30:55Speaker 1: which was signed into law in twenty ten. All of
- 30:58Speaker 1: this fascinating history is on the episode of Righteous Convictions
- 31:03Speaker 1: where I interviewed Dick Durbin. We're going to link to
- 31:05Speaker 1: that in the episode description, but back to Aaron Lott.
- 31:08Speaker 1: It appears that he had cooperated on this nineteen ninety
- 31:11Speaker 1: five case, yet the plea deal was signed in December
- 31:14Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, and his charges appear to completely ignore
- 31:19Speaker 1: the trafficking of one hundred and thirty grams of cocaine
- 31:22Speaker 1: and who knows what else, and instead was focused solely
- 31:26Speaker 1: on the forty one grams of crack with a minimum
- 31:28Speaker 1: sentence of five years.
- 31:30Speaker 3: Now the talk of community or house confinement, there is
- 31:33Speaker 3: this understanding that he is going to get time towards
- 31:38Speaker 3: his sentence by not officially going in. And here's what
- 31:42Speaker 3: it's based on. Check this out. There is a paragraph
- 31:47Speaker 3: entitled cooperation Paragraph eighteen. Defendant has already cooperated and will
- 31:53Speaker 3: continue to cooperate with the government by providing complete and
- 31:58Speaker 3: truthful information regards arding his knowledge of any and all
- 32:02Speaker 3: criminal activity, whether undertaken by himself or others. So they
- 32:07Speaker 3: sprinkled all this stuff in there, And what do you
- 32:09Speaker 3: think he's doing during this time? During this time he
- 32:12Speaker 3: is cooperating on Jonathan Parker's case.
- 32:15Speaker 1: In the next paragraph, it stated that the FEDS would
- 32:17Speaker 1: give him credit against his sentence for cooperation with state
- 32:20Speaker 1: and local authorities. As well, and in federal sentence and
- 32:23Speaker 1: guidelines they have numerical levels that correspond to time ranges
- 32:26Speaker 1: for specific charges. After his first cooperation, he was at
- 32:30Speaker 1: level twenty five with a minimum of sixty to seventy
- 32:33Speaker 1: one months on a community confinement.
- 32:35Speaker 7: All right, So they got him at a level twenty five.
- 32:38Speaker 3: And essentially it's saying, if you provide additional assistance. Now
- 32:44Speaker 3: we're talking about ninety seven grand jury testimony, we'll knock
- 32:48Speaker 3: it down five levels. You know, we'll talk about thirty
- 32:52Speaker 3: three to forty one months. But if you provide additional assistance,
- 32:57Speaker 3: you get another two levels knocked down at eighteen, which
- 33:01Speaker 3: provides for a sentence of twenty seven to thirty three
- 33:04Speaker 3: months of incarceration.
- 33:07Speaker 1: So by cooperating in Jonathan's case, he was able to
- 33:10Speaker 1: chip away to level eighteen, meaning just two years in
- 33:13Speaker 1: change on community confinement, with the opportunity to chip away
- 33:17Speaker 1: even more with further cooperation, and the deal got even
- 33:20Speaker 1: sweeter for mister Aaron Lott.
- 33:23Speaker 3: Moving on paragraph twenty, in exchange for defendans flee of
- 33:27Speaker 3: guild and cooperation is set forth, he will not be
- 33:30Speaker 3: prosecuted by the Office of the United States attorney for
- 33:34Speaker 3: the Western District for any other federal criminal offenses. I mean,
- 33:40Speaker 3: in that world, that is huge. Check this out now,
- 33:45Speaker 3: paragraph twenty one. The government will move the court at
- 33:49Speaker 3: sentencing provided to guidelines five K one point one. I
- 33:54Speaker 3: don't know if you know what a five K one
- 33:56Speaker 3: point one is, but it's a downward departure that submitted
- 34:00Speaker 3: in a letter format that basically says you have provided
- 34:03Speaker 3: the government substantral assistance. And it essentially is and can
- 34:09Speaker 3: be considered as good as a get out of jail
- 34:11Speaker 3: free card without question. It is amazing what a five
- 34:16Speaker 3: K one letter will do.
- 34:18Speaker 1: So Aaron Lott was in a position to be a
- 34:21Speaker 1: serial testifier, which not only would have been very useful
- 34:24Speaker 1: to trial counsel, but alternatively anyone else who Aaron Lott
- 34:28Speaker 1: may have cooperated against, falsely or otherwise. Which makes me
- 34:32Speaker 1: wonder again about what information Detective Ortiz might have accessed
- 34:36Speaker 1: and shared that got the Feds pissed off enough to
- 34:38Speaker 1: prosecute him. Either way, Jonathan now had Yarborough Lot and
- 34:43Speaker 1: by association Cassandra Salinis, this was powerful evidence of innocence,
- 34:49Speaker 1: and then Jonathan's case got another boost in twenty eighteen,
- 34:52Speaker 1: when the Supreme Court ruled in McCoy versus Louisiana, affirming
- 34:56Speaker 1: that a defendant has the right to choose their own defense,
- 34:59Speaker 1: which for him meant that his attorney violated his rights
- 35:02Speaker 1: by conceiving guilt in closing arguments. So Carl added that
- 35:07Speaker 1: to a new for forty.
- 35:08Speaker 5: Motion, I had four issues. Issue one was based on McCoy.
- 35:15Speaker 5: Issue two, McCoy is retroactive because at that point under
- 35:19Speaker 5: Montgomery and Welch they had held it to be retroactive.
- 35:24Speaker 5: Third was newly discovered evidence, basically Aaron Yacht and Aaron
- 35:29Speaker 5: Yarborough's testimony. And the fourth issue actual innocence. I did
- 35:34Speaker 5: that because under federal law, a claim of actual innocence
- 35:39Speaker 5: cannot be time barred. I had plenty of affidavits from Harrington,
- 35:45Speaker 5: from Aaron Loss, from Aaron Yarborough, and from the lead
- 35:50Speaker 5: death penalty lawyer in Rochester explaining why Harrington said what
- 35:57Speaker 5: he did because his job was not to quit Jonathan,
- 36:01Speaker 5: but to keep him alive. So originally the four forty
- 36:06Speaker 5: lead off was McCoy. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court subsequently claimed
- 36:13Speaker 5: that McCoy will not apply retroactively. Too many people were
- 36:17Speaker 5: getting out, so that issue went out.
- 36:20Speaker 1: So an amended four to forty was submitted in twenty
- 36:23Speaker 1: twenty two based on all this new evidence and the
- 36:26Speaker 1: actual illness it's claim.
- 36:27Speaker 3: I was having status conferences with the court and trying
- 36:31Speaker 3: to push for an evidentiary hearing, and I got everybody
- 36:36Speaker 3: to agree that a hearing was warranted. Then the assigned
- 36:41Speaker 3: assistant district attorney who was on the case, I believe
- 36:44Speaker 3: he was fired. He was no longer on the case.
- 36:47Speaker 3: A new set of district attorneys came on the case,
- 36:51Speaker 3: and they immediately contacted the court and said that the
- 36:54Speaker 3: district attorney's office has changed their stance on whether or
- 36:59Speaker 3: not and entry hearing was warranted. I then as for
- 37:03Speaker 3: another status conference. At that court appearance, we actually both
- 37:08Speaker 3: I mean I addressed the court at least twice. Carl
- 37:12Speaker 3: was working with Attorney Goldstein. He addressed the court and
- 37:16Speaker 3: the people's position was to essentially attack the credibility of
- 37:22Speaker 3: the recantations. And I continued to push for a hearing,
- 37:26Speaker 3: and at one point the judge said that he would
- 37:29Speaker 3: have a decision in thirty days.
- 37:31Speaker 7: Whether or not we could have an evident your hearing.
- 37:35Speaker 3: That was at the end of twenty twenty two, so
- 37:38Speaker 3: we are now going on thirty days turning into three years.
- 37:42Speaker 3: At first, my position was, let's not rock the boat
- 37:46Speaker 3: because I could force a decision, but enforcing a decision
- 37:50Speaker 3: that's going to land us in a pellet world for
- 37:51Speaker 3: the next couple of years. I submitted a bunch of
- 37:54Speaker 3: different subpoenas I kept pushing this issue that I want
- 37:57Speaker 3: people to testify, and I am told that a decision
- 38:01Speaker 3: will be issued in the month of October of this year.
- 38:06Speaker 1: And we understand that they have a massed witnesses that
- 38:08Speaker 1: will corroborate the recantations as well as support for the
- 38:11Speaker 1: alternate theory, but they can always use more help.
- 38:15Speaker 4: I'm asking for anybody who as any information in regards
- 38:18Speaker 4: to this matter and a murder officer child Skip McDowell
- 38:22Speaker 4: to please contact Carl Deviver, Stephen A. Metcalf, anybody who
- 38:28Speaker 4: you feel can hear what needs to be her for
- 38:31Speaker 4: you to say what needs to be said.
- 38:33Speaker 1: We're going to link contact information in the episode description.
- 38:36Speaker 1: Please go there, check it out, and take whatever action
- 38:39Speaker 1: you're capable of. And in the meantime, we await Judge
- 38:42Speaker 1: by NACI's decision on the evidentiary hearing. Let's hope for
- 38:45Speaker 1: a good one, and with that we'll go to closing arguments,
- 38:48Speaker 1: where I think you guys, from the bottom of my heart,
- 38:51Speaker 1: especially you Jonathan, for sharing courageously sharing your story. And
- 38:54Speaker 1: now I'm going to kick back in my chair with
- 38:57Speaker 1: my headphones on and my eye clothes on, my microphone off,
- 39:01Speaker 1: and just listen to anything else you guys have to say. Steven,
- 39:05Speaker 1: you go first, and then hand the microphone off to
- 39:08Speaker 1: Carl and then Jonathan will take us off into the sunset.
- 39:12Speaker 3: I mean, I think to summarize this with what we
- 39:15Speaker 3: spoke about tonight is if it doesn't fit, it just
- 39:18Speaker 3: there's a reason it doesn't fit.
- 39:20Speaker 7: Aaron Yarborough is ultimately.
- 39:23Speaker 3: Trying to sell CD players on the street, yet he
- 39:27Speaker 3: becomes one of the government's first witnesses. The guy gets
- 39:31Speaker 3: thrown into the Hilton. He's living his best life at
- 39:34Speaker 3: this point, giving statements to substantiate the investigation throughout the
- 39:38Speaker 3: course of this time. Then you have Aaron Lott and Cassandra.
- 39:42Speaker 3: Aaron Lott happens to be a player or drug dealer
- 39:46Speaker 3: in the streets at this time, has so much to
- 39:50Speaker 3: gain from providing information against Jonathan Parker, and in order
- 39:55Speaker 3: to do that, he had the rope Cassandra into it.
- 39:58Speaker 3: Does ultimately me and them look more credible. And ultimately
- 40:02Speaker 3: you take this mixed bag of various different characters, potentially
- 40:07Speaker 3: two of them crackheads, one of them a nice crack dealer.
- 40:11Speaker 3: You mix it all up, and you got the witnesses
- 40:14Speaker 3: they needed to put the gun in Jonathan Parker's hand.
- 40:17Speaker 3: It's just nobody actually looked at it and told the
- 40:20Speaker 3: additional story or the other side of the story. The
- 40:23Speaker 3: streets have spoken about this, The streets keep speaking about this,
- 40:28Speaker 3: and the thirty years that the streets have spoke about that,
- 40:30Speaker 3: we're looking to actually tell that real side of that
- 40:33Speaker 3: story and seek justice for Jonathan. And I'm confident that
- 40:38Speaker 3: all you got to do is give me a hearing
- 40:40Speaker 3: and I can blow Jonathan Parker's case out of the
- 40:44Speaker 3: water where no appellate division would ever even question it,
- 40:47Speaker 3: and it would just be another repeat of Jonathan Parker
- 40:50Speaker 3: case with no evidence whatsoever to justify a conviction.
- 40:55Speaker 5: They know Jonathan was innocent, but they had a dead
- 40:59Speaker 5: cop and newspaper screaming for a perpetrator, and they thought
- 41:04Speaker 5: that Parker is a nasty street kid. Let's get him
- 41:07Speaker 5: off the streets. We know he didn't kill Skip, but
- 41:11Speaker 5: he's a trouble Let's get him off the streets. I'm
- 41:14Speaker 5: glad to say that somebody is finally willing to do
- 41:17Speaker 5: something to get an innocent man, a framed man, out
- 41:22Speaker 5: of jail.
- 41:24Speaker 4: Well, there's obviously that the evidence in this case shows
- 41:28Speaker 4: that I didn't commit this crime. And as I've said,
- 41:32Speaker 4: I've professed my innocence from the day I turned myself
- 41:35Speaker 4: into the very second where you're hearing this broadcast. So
- 41:39Speaker 4: I just asked the justice to be served. We say
- 41:42Speaker 4: we have a justice system, that the justice system is
- 41:44Speaker 4: supposed to be equal to everyone. This is justice system
- 41:48Speaker 4: was not equal to me in these circumstances surrounding this case.
- 41:52Speaker 4: So now is the time to correct what needs to
- 41:54Speaker 4: be corrected, and hopefully the truth will come to the
- 41:58Speaker 4: light and I will be set free.
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