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Teen cheerleader hires hit men TWICE to kill parents, Using parents' debit card and PAY PAL! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Umatilla High School student Melissa
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  Speaker 1: Hatcher is facing a charge of criminal solicitation to commit murder.
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  Speaker 1: Fourteen year old boy allegedly shot five family members, including
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  Speaker 1: John Sisk, stepmother Mary Sisk, and three children. When county
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  Speaker 1: police are investigating at this hour after two siblings allegedly
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  Speaker 1: tried to kill their parents. The Monmouth County prosecutor says
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  Speaker 1: a sixteen year old fatally shot his mother forty two
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  Speaker 1: year old Linda Koloji, his father, forty four year old
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  Speaker 1: Steve Kolloji, his sister eighteen year old Brittany Kolloji, as
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  Speaker 1: well as a family friend seventy year old Mary Schultz.
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  Speaker 1: We will be charging this individual with four counts of murder.
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  Speaker 1: Dawn and Antonio were shot in the head while they slept.
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  Speaker 1: Their son aj charged with their murders. It's not even
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  Speaker 1: the fact of just dealing with not having my parents anymore.
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  Speaker 1: It's the fact that I'm being accused of something of
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  Speaker 1: this magnitude, and well, actually he was being accused because
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  Speaker 1: he did it. That one has has been found guilty
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  Speaker 1: of murdering his parents. What is it with youth children,
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  Speaker 1: teens murdering their parents is all crashed back into the
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  Speaker 1: headlines when a teen girl, and this is a soccer
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  Speaker 1: player on the school team, a cheerleader for the school,
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  Speaker 1: a straight a student, eighteen girl, Alyssa Hatcher accused of
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  Speaker 1: hiring not one, but two sets of hitmen to murder
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  Speaker 1: her mother and her stepfather, who, by the way, is
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  Speaker 1: a lieutenant sheriff. I mean, I'm having a hard time
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  Speaker 1: taking it in everybody. I mean, see Grace, this is
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  Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, with me
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  Speaker 1: an all star panel to break it down and put
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  Speaker 1: it back together again. Famous trial lawyer Brad Micklin joining me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm the Michelin Law Group based in New Jersey. Now
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  Speaker 1: im clinical forensics psychologist, doctor Jolie Silva, Professor of Forensics
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  Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet
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  Speaker 1: on Amazon. Joseph Scott Morgan, Detective Stephen Lampley, and right
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  Speaker 1: now to Levi Page, Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter
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  Speaker 1: Levi Page. You know I prosecuted and have covered many many,
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  Speaker 1: let me just say, hundreds of cases of juvenile killers
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  Speaker 1: and would be killers. But this one really takes the
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  Speaker 1: cake because this girl seemingly is all scrubbed in sunshine.
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  Speaker 1: That's not real. Let's just start at the beginning. Who
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  Speaker 1: is Alyssa Hatcher, a teen girl out of near O'calla, Florida.
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  Speaker 1: This is in central Florida then, so you're correct and
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  Speaker 1: Elyssa is seventeen years old. But what what what you know?
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  Speaker 1: I hate to pick a fight with you this early on,
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  Speaker 1: but this isn't really fight. This is a clarification to
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. You travel that area extensively in your work.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott, when we say central Florida, I'm not talking
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  Speaker 1: about the Miracle Mile at PCB, Panama City Beach. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not talking about Daytona Beach. I'm not talking about Disney
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  Speaker 1: where they're in Orlando. We hear about all sorts of crimes.
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  Speaker 1: This is out in a rural area. And what's significant
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  Speaker 1: about that, Joe Scott Morgan, is that that should be
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  Speaker 1: a very low crime rate with very low bad influences
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  Speaker 1: on your children. People all the time go, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: gonna move out to the country so my children won't
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  Speaker 1: hear anything about pot or cocaine or anything bad for them.
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  Speaker 1: But this is out in the heartland of Florida, Central Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Just hear leave my page say that, Yeah I did.
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  Speaker 1: And you know this evolks. Images of orange groves, you know,
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  Speaker 1: are you know, ridden through this area extensively. And also
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  Speaker 1: people don't know this horse farms and cattle ranches. So
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  Speaker 1: you begin to think about this is kind of an
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  Speaker 1: agricultural area out here where you think your kids are
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  Speaker 1: going to be saved. It ain't Miami Beach. Oh it's not. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's not the hot spot where you see the Kardashians
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  Speaker 1: at the top of some penthouse and a miniskirt up
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  Speaker 1: to their ying yang. I mean, this is really the
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  Speaker 1: heartland of Florida. Joseph Scott Morgan certainly is Nancy, it is,
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  Speaker 1: and it's it's a place that you think is going
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  Speaker 1: to be rather peaceful and becolic, and your kids are
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  Speaker 1: going to escape all these things, and of course in
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  Speaker 1: this case that that turns out not to be true.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Brad Micklin, you're a veteran trial lawyer with
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  Speaker 1: the Micklin Law Group in New Jersey. You know, people
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  Speaker 1: have the wrong idea about New Jersey. It's the garden
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  Speaker 1: stay and there's a reason for that. Yes, there's that
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  Speaker 1: horrible intro on Sopranos, Okay, And yes there's the airport.
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  Speaker 1: Yes there's a lot of industry, and yes it's a
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  Speaker 1: bit are stinky. But New Jersey also is beautiful. They
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  Speaker 1: don't call it the garden state for nothing because there
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  Speaker 1: are a vast of a huge majority of Jersey is
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  Speaker 1: beautiful trees, rolling country. That's the fact. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're always so shocked when crimes occurring rural areas. What
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  Speaker 1: about you, Brad Micklin, do most of your cases, your
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  Speaker 1: controversial cases occur in cities or in rural areas. Nowadays
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  Speaker 1: you can't really narrow down to where things occur. There's
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  Speaker 1: usually four causes to a heinous crime, like disc especially
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  Speaker 1: in the child at this age, psychiatric issues, drug abuse,
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  Speaker 1: abuse at home, or as we know, the rootable evil, money, cash,
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  Speaker 1: life insurance. I don't think it matters whether you're in Florida,
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  Speaker 1: New Jersey, Texas. You're gonna have these everywhere. We just
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  Speaker 1: see more of it because of social media. Wow, that
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  Speaker 1: was a mouthful, and I think you're right. I don't
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  Speaker 1: tell anybody I agree with the defense lawyer, doctor Jelly Silva.
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  Speaker 1: Why do have we lulled ourselves into thinking that if
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  Speaker 1: you're in a rural area like this place near O'calliflorida,
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  Speaker 1: that everything's going to be peaceable. I mean, look, there
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  Speaker 1: there's abuse that occurs at home there. There are certainly
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  Speaker 1: psychiatric issues that occur everywhere. I mean, look when you're
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  Speaker 1: in when you're in inner city areas, you see, you
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  Speaker 1: tend to see more of that stuff than when you're
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  Speaker 1: in middle class areas in rural areas. But it certainly
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  Speaker 1: is there, and it's but it's it's not as prominent, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, especially when socioeconomic status is a little bit higher.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe in rural areas. I'm not familiar with this particular area, um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you don't see as much drug, youth
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  Speaker 1: and and um as much of that insidious um psychopathology.
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  Speaker 1: But it certainly exists there. So I'm and it's probably
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  Speaker 1: something that was going on with this girl, no matter
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  Speaker 1: what she appeared like on the outside. Yeah. I heard
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  Speaker 1: of a lot of what you were saying, and there
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  Speaker 1: is no suggestion of any type of molestation or abuse
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  Speaker 1: on this girl at all. I mean, Stephen Lampley, you've
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  Speaker 1: seen it all, boy, You've been around the block once
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  Speaker 1: or twice. Stephen Lampley, Detective, I mean, you don't know
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  Speaker 1: what It's not always the parents fault when you get
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  Speaker 1: a devil child. You know, it's just not. No, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: it's not And I want to touch on just a
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  Speaker 1: moment what they were saying earlier. You know, yes, we'd
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  Speaker 1: like to think of the country. And again, the rural
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  Speaker 1: areas is being peaceful. But it's my understanding that per capita,
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  Speaker 1: other orders the average, this happens just as often population
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  Speaker 1: wise in the rural areas as it does with the cities,
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  Speaker 1: because you know, you look at the cities that you
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  Speaker 1: hear about it, there's more of it going on, but
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  Speaker 1: there's more people. But it still happens in the rural areas.
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  Speaker 1: But yes, it's getting back getting back to your question.
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  Speaker 1: We don't get to addict and choose our parents. We
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  Speaker 1: don't get to they can choose our children. Sometimes the
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  Speaker 1: situations end up going grossly awry, and then we get
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  Speaker 1: some mismatch, we get some criminals, we get some devil children.
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  Speaker 1: Leave Pacy. All you said was Central Florida, and just
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  Speaker 1: look what happened. Pick it back up, LEVI. So this
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  Speaker 1: seventeen year old Alissa Hatcher. She withdrew money from her
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  Speaker 1: parents Aten, and she gave a lot of that money, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: to someone at a drug house for cocaine, and then
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  Speaker 1: gave the other portion of the money. She withdrew five
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  Speaker 1: hundred dollars. She gave one hundred dollars to get cocaine.
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  Speaker 1: And wait and wait, wait, wait a minute, whoa wait
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  Speaker 1: wait wait she did it twice. Yeah, First she got
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  Speaker 1: several hundred dollars, according to police. And I've very carefully
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  Speaker 1: read the affidavit, which you can read word for word,
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  Speaker 1: just like I did at crime online dot com. We
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  Speaker 1: got our little mits on the affidavit, it says, first
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  Speaker 1: she gets out several hundred dollars, let's just say five hundred,
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  Speaker 1: and she spends one hundred of bucks so that on cocaine,
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  Speaker 1: and then she uses the other to try to get
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  Speaker 1: a hitman to kill her parents. All Right, they do nothing.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't turn up dead. They did not turn up
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  Speaker 1: dead to someone else, got more money on her parents
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  Speaker 1: a debit card, gets out nine hundred dollars this time,
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  Speaker 1: and tries to get another hit man. Okay, take it
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  Speaker 1: from there, Levin. And that is when one of her
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  Speaker 1: classmates had overheard this conversation and went to a school
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  Speaker 1: resource officer and said, this is what she's doing crime
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  Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace. I'm gonna tell a high school student,
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  Speaker 1: Alyssa Hatcher is facing a charge of criminal solicitation to
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  Speaker 1: commit murder. The Lake County Sheriff's Office says the targets
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  Speaker 1: were her parents. According to the investigative, parents were willing
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  Speaker 1: to prosecute, you know, and so, like I said before,
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  Speaker 1: do you know you think I'm a parent as well?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't imagine something like that happening to me.
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  Speaker 1: The investigation began when Hatcher's parents notified Umatilla police that
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  Speaker 1: there were two unexplained transactions at this Bank of America
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  Speaker 1: atm machine totally more than fourteen hundred dollars. She stole
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  Speaker 1: a credit card from her parents and used it fraudulently.
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  Speaker 1: At that point, your department didn't know and her parents
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  Speaker 1: didn't know why she would have taken no no, sir.
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  Speaker 1: That landed her charges of grand theft, fraud, and petty theft.
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  Speaker 1: But Monday, a student told authorities she heard of a
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  Speaker 1: double murder plot. When deputies questioned Hatcher, they wrote in
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  Speaker 1: their report. The defendant said she spent one hundred dollars
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  Speaker 1: on cocaine and then gave four hundred dollars to a
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  Speaker 1: friend to give to someone to kill her parents. When
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  Speaker 1: that plan failed, emputy say, she told them she gave
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  Speaker 1: nine hundred dollars to someone else to kill her parents.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA you're hearing CBS for Miami reporter Elliott Rodriguez A
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  Speaker 1: young teen girl, a soccer star as well as a
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  Speaker 1: cheerleader there in her high school in rural Florida? Could
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  Speaker 1: it be that she not only withdraws on two occasions
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  Speaker 1: nearly a thousand dollars, is Dave mac Jackie? Is it
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  Speaker 1: a thousand? Or is it more than a thousand? More
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  Speaker 1: than a thousand dollars to have her parents killed? Kick
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  Speaker 1: her up? She used their debit card, So let me
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  Speaker 1: understand this to Levi Page, investigative reporter with crime online
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  Speaker 1: dot Com joining us, Levi, so, not only does she
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  Speaker 1: get the cash pay it to two separate hitmen, but
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  Speaker 1: she actually uses her own parents debit card, steals it
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  Speaker 1: and uses it to kill the parents. Do I have
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  Speaker 1: that right, Levi? Yeah, you're absolutely correct, Nancy. And she
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  Speaker 1: was investigated before this murder for hire plot. She was
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  Speaker 1: investigated for stealing the debit card and her parents found
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  Speaker 1: out that she did it when they discovered those charges,
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  Speaker 1: and then they went to her room and found their
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  Speaker 1: bank information. She had written it down and had it
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  Speaker 1: in her room. Okay, wait, by slowdown, slowdown, leave, I'm
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  Speaker 1: drinking from the fire hydrant too much at once, so
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  Speaker 1: the parents notice. The parents are alive. Obviously, the first
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  Speaker 1: hip man didn't do his job. I had no idea
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  Speaker 1: about the murder for hire. And they when they were
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  Speaker 1: informed that their credit card was our debit card was
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  Speaker 1: used not with their permission, they started investigating and they
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  Speaker 1: went into their daughter's room and found their bank information
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  Speaker 1: written down in her room. And this was even before
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  Speaker 1: they had found out that she had was plotting to
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  Speaker 1: have them killed. Take a listen to our friend at
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  Speaker 1: Wkmgenus six. This is Jerry Askins. The investigators save her
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  Speaker 1: friend actually reported the crime. Deputies today told us in
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  Speaker 1: Lake County that she stole her parents debit cards to
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  Speaker 1: buy drugs and actually gave money to two of her
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  Speaker 1: friends to try and get her parents killed. And we
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  Speaker 1: just got the report here in Lake County in the
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  Speaker 1: past hour or so ago and right now we're working
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  Speaker 1: to find out more. Here is a picture right now
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  Speaker 1: we just got of seventeen year old Alissa Hatcher. She
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  Speaker 1: was arrested yesterday and right now she's being charged as
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  Speaker 1: a juvenile. Deputy says she admitted to using her parents
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  Speaker 1: debut card and made two purchases. She said she bought
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  Speaker 1: cocaine four one hundred or soul dollars and also gave
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  Speaker 1: money to a friend to get someone to kill her parents.
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  Speaker 1: She said, because it never happened, she gave nine hundred
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  Speaker 1: or SOL dollars to a second man to kill her parents,
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  Speaker 1: and deputy say her parents wanted her prosecuted and back
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  Speaker 1: out here life in Lake County. Hatcher left the jail
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  Speaker 1: here about ten forty five this morning, bound for the
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  Speaker 1: juvenile jail and o'calla and it for GIVI jail. That'll
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  Speaker 1: be a walk in the park. Alyssa Michelle Hatcher is
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  Speaker 1: a Florida teen girl accused of peg not one, but
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  Speaker 1: two hitmen to kill her parents and ended up as
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  Speaker 1: a failed or murder for higher plot kicker. She actually
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  Speaker 1: used money she stole from her mom and stepfather's debut account.
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  Speaker 1: She's a Taen High school girl in Umatilla, Florida. She
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  Speaker 1: was busted after a friend heard her talking about the scheme.
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  Speaker 1: She heard that the girl, Elissa Hatchrick, paid a friend
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  Speaker 1: quote a lot of money to kill her parents. Now
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  Speaker 1: what about this, Joseph Scott Morgan. It didn't take long
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  Speaker 1: to crack the boyfriend. They walk up to him. What
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  Speaker 1: do you know about this? He goes, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I saw her and she wanted to kill both of
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  Speaker 1: her parents. She told me that she told a friend that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't take much to crack him, Joseph
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  Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. And there's certainly no boyfriend girlfriend privilege. No,
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  Speaker 1: there's absolutely not. And this is a confederacy of dunces
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  Speaker 1: that we're dealing with here. Probably she's reached out to
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  Speaker 1: the so called hitting men, and what they you know,
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  Speaker 1: they say, they will say, and you know, there's a
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  Speaker 1: sucker born every moment. She's seventeen years old, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she's looking to, you know, have perpetrated a horrible, horrible
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  Speaker 1: crime here. But these people that she's interacting with, they
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  Speaker 1: know a quick score when they see it. And her
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  Speaker 1: money is gone, her parents' money is gone, and all
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  Speaker 1: they're left with is the idea of the parents certainly
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  Speaker 1: that hey, our daughter wanted us murdered. And that's the reality.
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  Speaker 1: To Brad Micklin, trial lawyer with the Micklin Law Group
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  Speaker 1: out of New Jersey, Brad Micklin, I recall in a
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  Speaker 1: somewhat well covered famous case a mother was called to
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  Speaker 1: a grand jury and the public was up in arms
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  Speaker 1: about a mother having to testify or speak against her daughter.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the deal there. As husband wife privilege, priest, parishioner
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  Speaker 1: as it is called privilege, attorney client privilege, there are
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  Speaker 1: very few doctor patient privilege. There are a few, very
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  Speaker 1: few privileges, and there's certainly not a girlfriend boyfriend privilege
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  Speaker 1: where you don't have to tell what your lover said
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  Speaker 1: or did during your relationship. So if you tell your
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  Speaker 1: parents or your child tells you your business associate, your
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  Speaker 1: best friend, your lover, under the law, you must repeat
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  Speaker 1: that if you are subpoenaed. Absolutely fancy, there's no privilege
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  Speaker 1: as you mentioned, and parents remain legally responsible for the
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  Speaker 1: actions of their children, so if they don't report it
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  Speaker 1: in many circumstances, they can become liabele for the consequences
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  Speaker 1: of it. You know, and we're talking about whether she
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  Speaker 1: had intent, whether she had intent to carry this out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it could be very easily argued she did
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  Speaker 1: not one, but two attempts to kill her parents. Now
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  Speaker 1: you know another thing that's disturbing to doctor Jolly Silva.
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  Speaker 1: Clinical and forensic psychologists joining us, Doctor Silva. And she's
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  Speaker 1: got a very let me just say, robust social media presence,
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  Speaker 1: and in some of those you see her with who
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  Speaker 1: I think to be her mother, Tammy Hatcher Sheller, and
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  Speaker 1: they look so happy together. They're on a ride it
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  Speaker 1: looks like of some sword like you know, um, a
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  Speaker 1: rollercoaster maybe, and they're clearly spending mom and daughter time together.
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  Speaker 1: How could everything go so wrong? Doctor Silva? I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: there are families that, um, you know, can have such
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  Speaker 1: a level of dysfunction, and for her, for for Alyssa,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, her level of dysfunction is clearly off the charts.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and you can look at pictures of people
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  Speaker 1: on the outside, whether it's on social media or in person,
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  Speaker 1: and everybody smiling, and then behind closed doors. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: suggesting that there was any kind of violence going on
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  Speaker 1: within this home, but but you know, you can have
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  Speaker 1: a couple who were smiling and happy, and then behind
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  Speaker 1: closed doors there's severe domestic violence going on. So so
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  Speaker 1: she was happy with her mother sometimes probably it is
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  Speaker 1: her mother, but then she just immediately switches. Who knows why.
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  Speaker 1: She thinks she hates them, she thinks they're unfair, she
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  Speaker 1: has she has antisocial sociopathy going on, and who knows
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  Speaker 1: what's going on with her psychologically? Clearly, what is that? WHOA? WHOA?
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  Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer. What do you mean by
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  Speaker 1: anti social anti social sociopathy? What's that? I mean? Basically, Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, people who commit crimes with intent like that
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  Speaker 1: don't have remorse. You know, it was not an impulsive act,
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't out of nowhere, because she she planned it
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  Speaker 1: not just once, but twice. So you know she inherently
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  Speaker 1: would likely not have remorse for doing those things. I
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  Speaker 1: mean maybe she would, the chances are not, okay. I
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  Speaker 1: think what you're saying is anti social sociopathy is when,
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  Speaker 1: even though you are seemingly a member of a society
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  Speaker 1: where we have rules that we live by, that's what
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  Speaker 1: a society is, you commit those crimes with a seeming
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  Speaker 1: lack of empathy and remorse, complete disregard for society's rules.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Deputc. Hatcher confessed at her
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  Speaker 1: home last night to paying one guy, then when it
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  Speaker 1: never happened, she paid a second guide to try and
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  Speaker 1: kill her parents. In all, deputy say she paid both
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  Speaker 1: guides a total of thirteen hundred dollars. Investigators said that
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  Speaker 1: there was drugs involved, so we don't know if this
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  Speaker 1: was a drug induced decision as she made, but either way,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: it's a very serious one. Sometimes people take things too
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: far and disappears to be one of those things. Well,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: that's certainly putting perfume on the pig taking it too far.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: According to police, she tried to have both her mother
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: and stepfather murdered. And oh, by the way, you were
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: just listening to our friends at WKMG. That was new
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: reporter Jerry Askins. She left quite a trail. Joseph Scott Morgan,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Professor forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet. Now,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: if that doesn't make you want to buy it, I
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: don't know what does Blood Beneath my Feet on Amazon?
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Listen to this, Joe Scott, you're our forensic specialist I'm
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: laughing because it's so rare. I get to cover a
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: case where nobody's dead yet. Anyway, So listen to this girl. Okay,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: she withdraws money from ATM using her parents debit card.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: She makes one payment and then she sends the second
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: payment via PayPal. Talk about leaving a droll. I'm so happy. Okay,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: it took me forever to set up my PayPal account.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I still have to put in five or six incorrect
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: passwords before I can actually buy a pair of ten
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: as you used for John David or Lucy. So she
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: actually uses PayPal to pay the hitman to kill her
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: mother and stepfather, the sheriff, and the mom is a
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: nurse that works for the government. I mean, what was
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: she thinking. I have no idea, Nancy, and talk about
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: you know you're talking about you talk about forensics. You
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: did hear I said PayPal, right, yeah, I did. It's
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: tied into your email and card and you know, to
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: kind of kind of dovetail what you're talking about forensics
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: and investigations. You know, back years ago, we would look
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: for footprints at crime scenes and we still do. Well,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: She's left a significant digital footprint here tracking everything that
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: She's done everything from you know, PayPal, which is you know,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: essentially a banking a banking system in order to move
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: money around. And also not to mention the signature, the
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: digital signature left behind by the emails. All of this
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: stuff can be tracked. It's absolutely stunnished. Scott, just Scott.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: If you order your murder weapon on PayPal, it's like
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: taking out a billboard on Third Avenue. I'm trying to
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: kill my parents. Yeah, I don't stop me. I don't
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: think that she has a future as a kind of
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: some kind of criminal, dark overlord that is going to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: be deceiving people all over the place. She's mistress of
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: the dogs. No, you know, I'm just waiting to find
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: out if she's going to be treated as a juvenile
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: or an adult. And I'll get back to Michelin on that.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: But speaking of PayPal, not only did she do that,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: she's in a lot of trouble as well because Stephen
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Lampley she goes to what apparently is a drug house. Now,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: why this cheerleader slash soccer's player, slash straight as students
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: at a drug house, I do not know. But she
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: spotted at a drug house and when trying to hire
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: the hitt man. She goes get a black mail to
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: do it. Okay, you know what, Like she's basically framing
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: some black mail wandering around. Now it's going to be
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: his decision whether he wants to go do a hit
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: or not. But the attitude of saying, go get a
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: blackmail to do it, that is very disturbing in itself.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, Sure it is, Nancy, Sure it is. And
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know her her thought processes
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: behind this, but I agree with you that's a very
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: disturbing statement. But at the core of it all, I
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: think her desire was to have her parents killed, and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: whoever she thought best to do this was who she
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: was seeking out, and she course failed the first time.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: They took her money and ran, and then apparently they
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: did the second time as well. So I think she
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: was just seeking out anybody that would be, you know,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: the person that would take this and run with it
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: and do her dastardly paid for her long story short,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: we also hear correct me if I'm wrong, Levi Page.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: But Jackie Howard here in the studio thinks it's a
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: very integral point that she took the debit card out
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: of her mom. Terry Hatcher's quote locked Wallett locked as
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: in you lock your home when you leave locked wallet.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: What do we know? LEVI, that's correct, Nancy. And that
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: goes to tell you that they that she may have
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: done this before, because they immediately went to her room
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: when they found out that their debit card had been used.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, but whenever I was
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: a teenager, if my parents had charges on their debit
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: card and it wasn't them, they would not immediately go
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: to my room to look to investigate. They did here
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: in this case. And Nancy, you were talking about a
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: trail that she left behind. You know a lot of ATMs.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I would suspect all of them in twenty nineteen have
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: video cameras, so there's going to be that. And she
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: confessed on video camera to police, so I can't imagine
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: her pleading anything other than guilty because they have her name. Well,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: that brings me to another issue. Will this seventeen year
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: old leader, slash soccer player, slash straight a student be
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: treated as an adult? To Brad Micklin, trial lawyer with
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the Micklin Law Group in New Jersey, brad. In many
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: jurisdictions there exists the quote seven deadlies, which is, you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: a bastardization of the seven deadly sins in Canterbury Tales.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: So the seven deadlies are, for instance, you know you're
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: a juvenile, you're let's just say fifteen, and you commit
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: one of these crimes murder, rape, sodomy, kidnapping, armed robbery, arson,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: crimes of that nature, then you are almost automatically bound over. Yes,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: there is a you know, pro forma hearing in front
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: of a GeV judge, but you're going to go to
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: adult court because those are such serious crimes. They're adult
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: crimes and you get adult punishment. Now, let there be
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: no mistake. When a juvenile is convicted in adult court,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: that juvenile does not think go into adult jail. They
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: remain in juvenile jail until they reach majority, be at
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: eighteen or twenty one, usually twenty one. Then they go
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: into an adult jail if there's still time left on
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: their sentence. Do you think Alissa Hatcher is going to
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: be treated as a GEEV or as an adult. The
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: fact that she's taken to gevjail means nothing. She's going
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: to stay in GeV jail no matter what until she
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: reaches majority, so treated as an adult or treated as
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: a GV. I thought she was going to be treated
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: as an adult based on her age, how close she
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: is to being a legal adult in the nature of
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: the offense. But I think one of the reports you
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: played a moment ago said that she's being tried as
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: a juvenile, even though nothing I've seen in the media
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: suggested either way. Yeah, I think it was saying that
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: she's taken to juvenile custody. I heard the very same
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: thing and my ears pricked up, thinking, oh was it
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: has not been decided yet to my understanding, is she
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: going to be treated as an adult or a juvenile?
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: You know, very very curious the way this whole thing
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: is playing out. Take a listen to our friends at
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: WKMG This is News six reporter Ginger Gadson. A team
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: accused of stealing her parents money to hire someone to
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: kill them, makes her first appearance in front of a judge.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Alissa Hatcher appeared in a Lake County courtroom today. According
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to a police affidavit, the seventeen year old stole thirteen
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars from her parents' bank account. The affidavit says
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the team paid four hundred dollars to a friend to
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: kill her parents. When it didn't happen, Hatcher reportedly paid
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: someone else nine hundred dollars to do the job. The
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: documents estate she also used the money to buy cocaine.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Hatcher has been charged as a juvenile with two counts
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: of criminal solicitation for murder crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: She's sitting in juvenile jail facing felony charges, and deputy
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: say her friends told a school resource deputy. That deputy
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: told investigators here in Lake County, and right now we're
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: asking Lake County Sheriff's deputies to release more. There's nothing
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: that your parents can do till you bid. You're grounded,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a car's taken away, you can't go to the problem
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: whatever for you to get to this point right now,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: as Lake County investigators are piecing together why they say
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: seventeen year old A. Lissa Hatcher stole her parents, deputy card,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and pay two guys to try and kill them, they
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: want to remind other kids there's help out there. That's
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: why they have the counselor set up in school for
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: things like this. But you know as far as juvenile's
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: teenagers never let it get to this point. One of
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: her friends at Severi's High told her school resource deputy
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: about one guy Hatcher, and that's when the investigation got going.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: You're hearing our friends at WKMG. That was New six
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: reporter Jerry Askins. We're talking about help. She tried to
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: have her both her parents murdered, and we're talking about
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: helping her. I wanted to get all the help she
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: can behind bars. And interesting this girl's parents, Elissa Hatcher's parents,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: they are the ones asking for charges to be pressed
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: against their daughter. According to court documents, the victims, the
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: parents of Elissa Hatcher advised of their intent to prosecute
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: for solicitation of murder and just so you know, solicitation
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: of murder carries thirty to life in that jurisdiction. The mother,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Tammy Hatcher Sheller, is a nurse and a senior records
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: clerk for the Florida Department of Help. The stepfather, Michael Scheller,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: is a lieutenant with a Clearmont Police department that's about
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: an hour away from their home in Umatilla, Florida. The
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: two have been married since two fourteen. He has been
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: a cop since nineteen eighty eight, so relatively was it
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: a relatively new relationship. We're getting that twenty fourteen wedding
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: day according to the husband, the stepfather, Mike Scheller's Facebook,
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: we understand that there had never been any problems reported
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: within the home. We also know that this teenager, Elissa Hatcher,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: was born in North Carolina. They moved to Florida, where
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: she was a senior at Umatilla High School, and a
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: classmate describes her as being sweet, caring, always willing to
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: help someone else. So what went wrong at this point? Though?
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: To Brad Micklin, a trial lawyer with the Micklin Law
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Group in New Jersey, it's no longer the parents prosecuting.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: It is now the state. If the parents wanted to
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: drop charges, it would still be up to the prosecutor
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: to that decision. Absolutely. Oftentimes, victims of many different crimes,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: for many reasons, don't want the offender to be tried,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: and this would be one of those circumstances. But on
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: the flip side, you want to be protected and the
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: only way to do that is that a criminal prosecution
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: against it. Now. I've been looking at her Instagram profile
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: shows her on the cheer of squad at Humatilla High,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: she played junior varsity soccer. She has conflicting captions. On
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: one under her picture it says ruthless and another she writes,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: no beauty shines brighter than a good heart. In another,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: she writes, rock bottom became the solid foundation on which
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: I rebuilt my life. Why are you rebuilding your life
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: at age seventeen? I don't know, Maybe that's just the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: teen drama coming out, but her social media does tell
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: me a whole lot more. I see pictures of her
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: in her prime outfit. Right now, she's charged with two
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: counts of criminal solicitation of murder and also facing theft charges.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: You know what another thing is jumping out at me
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: is that apparently she used a hundred bucks of that
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: to buy cocaine. What effect would that have on her
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: decision making process? A tremendous effect, and the fact that
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: she had an awareness of it at seventeen she went
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: out and bought or allegedly attempted to buy a hundred
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: dollars worth of coke, that would give us an indication
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: that she probably bought what's referred to on the street
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: as an eight ball of cocaine, which is about three grams.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: And if the folks at home want to know what
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: that's like, just take some cornstarch or some baby powder,
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: cup your hand and pour it into the center and
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: kind of level it off. That's about three grams of
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: cocaine and that would be enough to you to certainly
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: stimulate her to a great degree. Maybe she's thrown into
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you know, depression. She has to have this in order
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: to or agitate her, or it could agitate her. Yeah,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: and it it can send the user into like a
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: state of euphoria. It also desensitizes people so that they
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: don't have an awareness of when they're impacting other people's lives.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: And plus, not to mention, it's very lethal. You know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: somebody using cocaine over a protracted period of time, they
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: can die of heart disease. Are certainly hypertensive related diseases.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: She's seventeen. I don't think she's going to have a
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: heart attack. But I want to follow up on something
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: you said. Yes, she may have been angry at her
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: mom or dad. Maybe she didn't want to move. Although
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: she seems to have, you know, adjusted really well in Imatilla.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Maybe she hates a step dad. I don't know, but yes,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you can be agitated once. But Brad Micklin, you're the
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: trial lawyer with the Micklin Law Group. Was she still
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: agitated when she tried to get a second hit? Man?
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I mean? And also even if she was agitated using cocaine,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: the voluntary consumption of drugs or alcohol is almost never
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: a defense in criminal law. Or everybody over in the
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: jail right now, we'll go, oh, yeah, I was a
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: drunk when ohen I did that, So I'm walking out
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: of here. That's not gonna happen. Brad. I agree. When
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I was listening to Joseph Scott, the thing and I
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: kept saying to myself, as much as I like to
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: defend people, is you know she bought the drugs one time,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: but she paid two different people in two different times
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: to commit the murder, So I'm not sure how much
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: drugs really played a part here. And guys, yes, Brad
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Micklin is a defense lawyer. He's a trial lawyer and
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: with the Micklin Law Group. But if you want to
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: win a case, if you believe in your case. You
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: don't just prepare your case. You anticipate what the other
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: side is going to do. Slight Reagan's old Star Wars program.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: We're gonna shoot down what the Russians shoot at us
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: first before it gets here. That's what you do. You
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: figure out what's the other side going to say, and
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: then you get ready to shoot it down before it
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: even happens. That's what he's talking about. Brad. Bottom line
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: I'm interpreting what you're saying is yeah, the jury might
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: be able to explain it away one time, but she
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: wasn't still in the same cocaine high. Was she tried
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: to hire the next hip marry. I think if she's
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: tried as an adult and gets a jury, I think
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: she's just going to go for sympathy, which is the
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: only reason, the only benefit you get from being tried
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: as an adult. She's going to go young, confused, drug problem.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: Sympathetic decisions only gets her out of this. Okay, So
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: if you are defending this case, Brad Micklin, and you've
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: got to go in front of an adult jury, what's
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: your defense. I mean, she confessed, You've got the boyfriend
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: who by the way, I'm going to circle back to
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: doctor Jolie Silva on this, a clinical forensic psychologist. So
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: often we see women let around by the nose by
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: a bad guy. They fall in with them, they seem
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: like they're under a trance. They'll do whatever he wants
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: them to do. Because here we see allegedly a boyfriend,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: a BF says he saw her at a drug location. Well,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: what's he doing there? All right? So it's hard for
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: me to believe he didn't have some influence over her.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Now that's a very good point. I didn't, you know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I know that the boyfriend pretty readily told told police
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: what was going on if he was at the drug
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: house too. I mean, she's familiar with a drug house.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: She's going to a drug house. Clearly there's some kind
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: of substance of use issue going on. Whether or not
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: he was influencing her, it's it's very very possible. Whether
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: or not he was influencing her to kill her parents
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: is another story. But you know, back to back to
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: what everyone else was saying just about the substance use.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: I agree with everybody else who was saying that because
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: it was premeditated, it happened multiple times, and there was
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: let me get on PayPal and do this. It just
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't It just doesn't really add up that that cocaine
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: was the influencer here. So maybe the boyfriend has something
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: to do with it. Maybe the boyfriend hated the stepfather.
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Who knows. It could be a factor in it. In
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: the big picture, it could be one factor, you know.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Levipage Crime online dot Com investigative reporter this idea that
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: somehow the boyfriend played a role in this. None of
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: that that has not come up at all in the facts.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: In fact, the boyfriend blab to the cops that he
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: saw her there and that she wanted to kill her parents,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: So I don't believe he is entangled in this in
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: any way. And also that theory that the boyfriend made
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: her do it or encourage her to do it. Coercion
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: under the law means you basically have to have a
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: gun at your head, locked and loaded before coercion will
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: work in front of a jury. Mind control is not
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: going to do it, So Levi Page, there's been no
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: suggestion anyone else is involved other than the teen cheerleaders
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: soccer players. Straight age student Melissa has her correct Nancy.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Her boyfriend was with her at what he said was
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a known drug house. So that shows you that he's
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: not on the up and up. Nancy, and I just
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: want to go back to the fact that people are
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: saying she's a cheerleader, straight a student. She played soccer.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: But there was I read a post on Facebook by
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: her cheer coach who was shocked by this, and then
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: there were people in the comments saying, well, this is
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: not shocking if you knew her. So apparently she had
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: a bit of a reputation in this community, and that hey,
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: hey le Page, my dear sweet LEVI don't take too
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: much to heart what one varsity cheerleader says about another one. Okay,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: just know that going forward, well it also goes ahead.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Hit me back that up. Her parents automatically assumed that
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: she was the one that stole the debit card, and
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: they're the ones that are pushing for charges to be filed.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: And as Jackie had mentioned, the debit card was in
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: a locked area with the mother. Did she has she
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: stolen from them before? That's going to be interesting to
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: see because she didn't have a job that we know of,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: she was using drugs, did she still repeatedly to buy drugs?
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds Nancy Grace crime stories. Signing
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,