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The Late Debate | 8 July · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: Late Welcome to the Late Debate. Thanks for joining us
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Speaker 1: on the Late Debate.
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Speaker 2: I'm James Macpherson with Freier Leitch and Joe Hildebrand Taylor Bond.
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Speaker 2: Joe's committed the Superman. We'll see when it comes out.
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Speaker 2: Coming up tonight, Israel nominates Donald Trump for a Nobel
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Speaker 2: Peace Prize that pretty much guarantees he won't get it.
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Speaker 2: Calls for a major US university to be renamed in
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Speaker 2: honor of George Floyd, and that's not the faculty's craziest demand.
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Speaker 2: And our dope of the day would be arsonist who
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Speaker 2: doesn't understand just how flammable petrol is.
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Speaker 1: All of that coming up.
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Speaker 2: Soon, But first, the ABC hesitated to publish photos of
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Speaker 2: murderer Aaron Patterson yesterday because they feared the images might
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Speaker 2: cause distress to the convicted killer. No, this is not satire,
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Speaker 2: this is the ABC. Fleeked text messages show that ABC
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Speaker 2: editorial boss Mark Mayley instructed producers of seven point thirty
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Speaker 2: not to show the images of the triple murderer in
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Speaker 2: a police van and I quote because it's a gratuitous
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Speaker 2: invasion of her distress and privacy.
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Speaker 1: Well, when producers pushed back.
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Speaker 2: ABC management relented and said they would permit some, but
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Speaker 2: not all, of the photos to be shown. The images
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Speaker 2: of Patterson were splashed across the front pages of News
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Speaker 2: Limited papers this morning, but the ABC wasn't sure you
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Speaker 2: should see them for fear it might upset not you,
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Speaker 2: but Erin Patterson. So there you go. Patterson murdered three
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Speaker 2: people with mushrooms, and then the National broadcast treated you
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Speaker 2: and I like mushrooms.
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Speaker 1: Can you believe this?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 4: I mean, the ABC seems to have selective outrage when
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Speaker 4: it comes to these things. When they doctored footage that
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Speaker 4: defaned Heston Russell and our Australian soldiers, basically accusing them
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Speaker 4: of committing war crimes in Afghanistan, they didn't seem to
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Speaker 4: really care much at all, and where were their editorial
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Speaker 4: standards then?
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Speaker 5: And then when they blindly.
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Speaker 4: Repeated the crazy accusation that fourteen thousand babies were going
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Speaker 4: to die within forty eight hours in Gaza, they also
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Speaker 4: didn't seem to care to verify facts or worry about
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Speaker 4: what that might do to the Jewish community here such
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Speaker 4: a ridiculous, out of proportion lie, And so I don't
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Speaker 4: understand why they're now developing a conscience, but not towards
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Speaker 4: the victim in any scenario. No, No, towards the triple murderer.
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Speaker 6: This seems absurd, staggering. This is one of those cases
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Speaker 6: that has just just brought out all these incredibly unexpected, weird,
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Speaker 6: kind of I don't know, home truths in just sections
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Speaker 6: of society. Never thought you would say it is very good. Look,
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Speaker 6: I've got to say, the figure of Aaron Patterson does
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Speaker 6: seem to be such an incredibly troubled and sad and
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Speaker 6: just weird and something one that you know, you do
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Speaker 6: kind of I suppose in some ways you do, because
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Speaker 6: your face is her face that you're seeing and not
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Speaker 6: the faces of the three people she killed, that you
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Speaker 6: do sort of instinctively think, oh, you know, I do
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Speaker 6: kind of feel sorry for her because she looks like
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Speaker 6: so wretched. But all you have to do to disabuse
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Speaker 6: yourself with that folly is simply do clear. Harvey actually
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Speaker 6: wrote a good piece in The Oas today about it.
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Speaker 6: Just imagine if it was a man who killed his
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Speaker 6: uh huh ex partner's family to get back at.
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Speaker 1: Her, they wouldn't have hesitated, but.
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Speaker 6: They have been worried about showing him in distress in
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Speaker 6: the back of a divvy van. Would they be worried
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Speaker 6: about invading his privacy? I mean, that would be absolutely unthinkable.
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Speaker 6: And so again you get sort of hoisted by your
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Speaker 6: own petard here.
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Speaker 2: And of course they displayed no such sensibilities when it
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Speaker 2: came to you know, Cardinal George pell when he was
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Speaker 2: on trial. They didn't hesitate to show images of him
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Speaker 2: looking forlorn and.
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Speaker 1: Distressed and so on.
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Speaker 2: And so it's an absolute double stand, no question about.
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Speaker 5: It, exactly.
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Speaker 4: And that seems to be the consistent theme with the ABC. Fortunately,
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Speaker 4: their ideological bias seems to always take over, and especially
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Speaker 4: when it comes to editorial decisions.
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Speaker 5: But I do love this.
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Speaker 4: There was an opinion piece written by the editor of
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Speaker 4: Good Food Australia and you might have noticed, well actually
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Speaker 4: you probably haven't noticed, because I don't know who really
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Speaker 4: looks at this stuff. But she was saying, you know,
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Speaker 4: you might have noticed there haven't been many new mushroom
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Speaker 4: recipes recently, so since the that was the contribution, since
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Speaker 4: the Aaron Patterson case, where have all the new mushroom
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Speaker 4: recipes gone?
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Speaker 5: They've vanished?
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Speaker 4: Well, she actually emailed the editor and they said, well,
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Speaker 4: three people have died, so they didn't want to be
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Speaker 4: perceived as making light of the mushroom murder saga.
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Speaker 5: But don't worry.
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Speaker 4: She hopes that good food will now return the light
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Speaker 4: of the mushroom to the recipe. Well, so, I guess
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Speaker 4: there is some good news at the end of all
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Speaker 4: of this. If you're you're a mushroom fan and you
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Speaker 4: know you're looking for some cooking inspiration. Apparently, beef Wellington
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Speaker 4: searches on Google are up one thousand percent since Monday,
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Speaker 4: so that could be a good one to drive in.
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Speaker 6: The culinary media industry. Shitako happens.
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Speaker 2: I think the fact that mushrooms are on the nose
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Speaker 2: is the least surprising aspect of this entire saga, if
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Speaker 2: anyone else is surprising. The Liberal Party continue to self
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Speaker 2: flagellate and naval gaze while Anthony Albanezi is getting away
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Speaker 2: with murder. The Labour leader is literally reshaping the entire country,
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Speaker 2: and there's just no opposition because ever since losing the election,
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Speaker 2: the Liberals have been concerned not with the nation but
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Speaker 2: with themselves. There was the divorce with the National Party,
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Speaker 2: the on again off again relationship, then there was a
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Speaker 2: review of the campaign, a review of policies, a root
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Speaker 2: and branch review of the entire party. Then there was
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Speaker 2: a suggestion of female quotas. Then there was a suggestion
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Speaker 2: they needed a cultural change with external consultant sport In
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Speaker 2: and now Julian Leese, who I really like, but he's
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Speaker 2: considering a crazy plan. Joe, this will never be good
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Speaker 2: for the Liberal Party. They're going to have US style
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Speaker 2: primaries where instead of Liberal Party members selecting who should
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Speaker 2: run for office, they're going to allow the general public,
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Speaker 2: even labor supporters, green supporters, to have their say on
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Speaker 2: who the Liberal candidate should be.
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Speaker 1: This is absolute nonsense.
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Speaker 6: Is it not? Well, James, you mentioned that you know,
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Speaker 6: the Liberal Party was having all these reviews and there
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Speaker 6: are some people in the party who think, no, we
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Speaker 6: shouldn't be having all these reviews. So they've now launched
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Speaker 6: a review into the reviews. But this is a terrible,
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Speaker 6: terrible idea. Whether they do it, I mean, if you
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Speaker 6: don't do it, just with your party membership as the
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Speaker 6: people who vote. As it is in largely in the US,
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Speaker 6: it can be independent voter and voting in other primaries
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Speaker 6: depending on the state means by and large you have
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Speaker 6: to be a registered voter, a Democrat or a Republican.
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Speaker 6: Then if you're not doing it for your own party members,
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Speaker 6: what is the point of being a party member, So
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Speaker 6: you're actually disincentivizing people. You're basically saying your party members special,
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Speaker 6: we don't respect your views any more than we do
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Speaker 6: Joe blogs down the streets, So that basically tells party
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Speaker 6: members they're worthless. If you do have it decided by
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Speaker 6: party members, you end up in a situation where, say
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Speaker 6: the UK Labor Party had it, where you had someone
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Speaker 6: who was just absolutely toxic like Jeremy Corbyn, and his
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Speaker 6: parliamentary colleagues who hated him couldn't get rid of him
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Speaker 6: because the membership would just keep voting him back in,
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Speaker 6: and he knew he could always rely on that because
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Speaker 6: when they as soon as they went to US style
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Speaker 6: primaries or party party votes determining the leadership, the Labor
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Speaker 6: Party in the UK was just flooded with hard left activists.
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Speaker 6: Now in Australia we've had a kind of half half
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Speaker 6: version of that where it's now responsible for fifty percent
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Speaker 6: of the vote in electing a leader and basically almost
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Speaker 6: instantly I think there's only been one two maybe cases
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Speaker 6: where it's actually happened. There was Albov shortened the first
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Speaker 6: time round, and then maybe just one more. But by
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Speaker 6: and large what that's is not more democracy but less
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Speaker 6: because the party bosses know that the candidate most likely
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Speaker 6: to be elected by the rank and file is probably
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Speaker 6: the least likely to win a general election, and so
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Speaker 6: now there's not even a corcus right, they won't the
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Speaker 6: party bosses don't even allow We saw this happen in Wa,
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Speaker 6: so it happened in New South Wales. Will probably say
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Speaker 6: it happened in Victoria as well. We have said it
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Speaker 6: happened in Victoria with the handover to where the party
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Speaker 6: bosses simply will not will not allow it to even
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Speaker 6: go to a vote and we'll just decide the whole
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Speaker 6: thing in background factional deals.
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Speaker 4: But that's a different thing there because currently the Liberal
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Speaker 4: Party does have plebiscite preselections, and the criticism is that
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Speaker 4: because it's only party members voting, it's not representative of
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Speaker 4: the broader community. So the idea that you would have
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Speaker 4: more general primaries open to the broader community is to
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Speaker 4: kind of, I think, sort of it eliminate the more
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Speaker 4: hardcore elements within the party and create a more representative
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Speaker 4: pre selection body. But ultimately, I think anything that enhances
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Speaker 4: democracy among party members and among Liberal supporters, it dilutes
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Speaker 4: the power of factional bosses. It will generally reward, hopefully
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Speaker 4: the more competent candidate, and it will reward people that
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Speaker 4: can actually run a campaign. A lot of people get
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Speaker 4: pre selected without ever actually having run anything or prove
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Speaker 4: that they can fundraise, that they can organize, that they
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Speaker 4: can mobilize support. So I actually think this is probably
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Speaker 4: a good thing to look at. It's an idea that's
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Speaker 4: been kicking around for twenty five years, but the Liberal
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Speaker 4: Party has to do something to re engage and reanergize Australia.
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Speaker 1: Mention trying to.
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Speaker 2: Get rid of factionalism, which is a fair point. The
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Speaker 2: problem is don't you open up the party to what
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Speaker 2: Joe alluded to, which is instead of factionalism, you get activism.
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Speaker 2: And with factionalism, at least it's your own people who
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Speaker 2: are dividing into factions. But with a US style primary
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Speaker 2: that Julian Lisa is suggesting less that's open to everybody,
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Speaker 2: wouldn't you just then get activists coming in and promoting
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Speaker 2: their person regardless of their adherence to Liberal Party values.
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Speaker 4: Potentially, and I'm not convinced that the US style primary,
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Speaker 4: where you have no controls over who's actually voting, is
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Speaker 4: the best model. But what has been shown in Liberal
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Speaker 4: Party preselections is the broader the base, the more pre
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Speaker 4: selectors you have in a plebiscite model, the more democracy
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Speaker 4: and the less factionalism you have because it is a
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Speaker 4: lot harder to control more people if you have hundreds
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Speaker 4: or thousands of people voting. A factional boss is going
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Speaker 4: to have a lot less power, whereas the previous model,
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Speaker 4: where it was delegates, they had all the powers.
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Speaker 2: So the Liberal Party are basically saying we don't trust
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Speaker 2: our own people to do this.
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Speaker 4: Well, no, they're saying we need to do well people
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Speaker 4: to do it.
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Speaker 2: We don't trust our own people to do this with integrity,
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Speaker 2: So we're going to open up to take everybody in
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Speaker 2: the poll.
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Speaker 4: But I think most people would agree that the Liberal
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Speaker 4: Party's constitution, its structure is fundamentally broken. It was in
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Speaker 4: the forties and fifties when Australia was a very different place,
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Speaker 4: and it hasn't adapted to the modern world.
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Speaker 5: So I don't know if favorite seats.
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Speaker 6: It's an interest. I think it's just that it is
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Speaker 6: just the road to hell has paid with good intentions,
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Speaker 6: and so you sort of suggest that this would be
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Speaker 6: a good thing. But again, you know, would would Green's members,
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Speaker 6: Labor Party members, would anyone be able to vote? How
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Speaker 6: would you stop a group like get up, for example,
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Speaker 6: saying right, we're going to make sure that the least
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Speaker 6: likely candidate to win an election is the one who
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Speaker 6: gets pre selected. I mean, it just opens up. And
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Speaker 6: the weird thing happened, And a similar thing happened in
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Speaker 6: again in the Labor Party when there were moves to
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Speaker 6: make Labor Conference take it from sixty to forty unions
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Speaker 6: to rank and file delegates to fifty to fifty unions
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Speaker 6: in rank and file delegates. Everyone thought, oh, this will
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Speaker 6: make it more democratic, this will make more democratic. In fact,
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Speaker 6: all it did was just push the party again to
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Speaker 6: the left. And so all these much smarter, wiser union
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Speaker 6: hardheads who were season who did not did have a
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Speaker 6: campaign experience, who did know how to pick people who
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Speaker 6: would be able to win elections, suddenly became less influential
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Speaker 6: and the party was much more As you can say
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Speaker 6: I'm really quite energized about this, much more subject to
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Speaker 6: the winds of back.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it'll be interesting to see how it works out.
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Speaker 4: But I think definitely there is within the Liberal Party
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Speaker 4: an appetite for serious change.
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Speaker 5: So we'll see what happens.
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Speaker 4: But another really interesting serious change that might occur is
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Speaker 4: Trump could be getting a Nobel Peace Prize. Netan Yahoo
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Speaker 4: today nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize, and as
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Speaker 4: James said, is at the top of the show, that
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Speaker 4: probably means he won't get it because the international community
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Speaker 4: rarely rewards anything Israel or Trump exactly.
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Speaker 5: But check out what happened in the meeting today.
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Speaker 7: I want to present to you, was President the letter
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Speaker 7: I sent to the Normal Prize Committee.
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Speaker 1: It's nomining you for the Peace Prize, which is well deserved.
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Speaker 7: And you should get it.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 6: This I didn't know. Well, thank you very much.
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Speaker 1: Coming from you in particular, this is a very meaningful.
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Speaker 6: It's so awkward. It's like what you give a pair
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Speaker 6: of socks for Christmas. Should there have at least made
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Speaker 6: a spontaneous outbreak of applause and something.
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Speaker 1: It was pretty hard.
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Speaker 6: I mean, at least the Israeli delegation toment Okay. Now
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Speaker 6: when I give him the letter, guys, you all clap, okay.
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Speaker 4: So it was a very solemn, very serious moment. And
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Speaker 4: to be honest, I don't understand how Trump didn't get
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Speaker 4: the Peace Prize in his first term when he signed
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Speaker 4: the historic Abraham Accords. But this seems to be the
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Speaker 4: trend in Nobel peace prices. Trump didn't get it in
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Speaker 4: his first term. I mean, Ronald Reagan, who basically ended
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Speaker 4: the Cold War, never got a Nobel Peace Prize. Richard
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Speaker 4: Nixon never got one for withdrawing from Vietnam. So whenever
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Speaker 4: Republicans do something, no reward from the Nobel Piece.
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Speaker 1: Actually wasn't going to get one because he's Trump.
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Speaker 2: But now they're going to work out how to disqualify
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Speaker 2: him for being dominated by the wrong people. Give a
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Speaker 2: peace prices someone's been nominated by Israel. I mean, I
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Speaker 2: just cannot imagine that they would ever agree to do that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah. Well again, speaking of Jewish diplomats, someone who did
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Speaker 6: get a Nobel Peace Prize was, of course Henry Kissinger
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Speaker 6: by their Paris Peace Agreement in nineteen seventy two, which
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Speaker 6: resulted in three more years of war in the fall
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Speaker 6: of Sigone, so that was fantastic. But yeah, it's absolutely right.
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Speaker 6: I think that the UN just goes through. Okay, all
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Speaker 6: the nominations from Israel swipe left.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's face it, the global estate.
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Speaker 2: They would rather run had nuclear weapons than Trump bought peace.
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Speaker 2: They would rather Jews be kidnapped and worse than Israel
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Speaker 2: have established borders. Trump is too successful for a Nobel
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Speaker 2: Peace Prize, and the only person that can continue to
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Speaker 2: make sure he's successful is Benjamin Ettiau. So the two
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Speaker 2: of them together will guarantee Trump does not get a
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Speaker 2: Nobel Peace Prize exactly.
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Speaker 4: And the other interesting move towards peace in the Middle
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Speaker 4: East is a Sikh in Hebron, which is a city
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Speaker 4: in the West Bank ruled currently by the Palace Sinian Authority.
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Speaker 4: He has basically written a letter which has also been
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Speaker 4: signed by a few other Sheiks in the region, saying
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Speaker 4: they want to secede from the Palestinian Authority, which is
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Speaker 4: basically acts as the government of the West Bank, and
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Speaker 4: they want to recognize Israel and join the Abraham Accords.
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Speaker 4: In exchange, they would that would allow people from Hebron
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Speaker 4: to enter Israel for work and also they would establish
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Speaker 4: basically an emirate run by the Sheiks.
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Speaker 5: Now this is really interesting.
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Speaker 4: Because in Gaza, Israel is actually supporting a local clan,
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Speaker 4: Abu Shabab, to act as a resistance against Hamas. And
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Speaker 4: traditionally in the Middle East, this was how things were governed.
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Speaker 4: You didn't have these centralized governments. You had local tribal
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Speaker 4: groups or clans, often run by the Sheiks. And so
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Speaker 4: this is really interesting the fact that they are now
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Speaker 4: saying they said the state of Palestine, that idea is
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Speaker 4: dead post October seven. Now the way forward Abraham Accords,
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Speaker 4: recognize Israel and dismantle the Palestinian authority.
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Speaker 2: So there's two major stories here, and I think you've
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Speaker 2: hit on the biggest story second, which is you've got
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Speaker 2: tribal leaders within the West Bank saying the two state
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Speaker 2: solution is dead. In fact, he said give it a
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Speaker 2: thousand years and there still won't be two states because
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Speaker 2: the Israelis could never allow it after what Hamas did
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Speaker 2: on October seven.
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Speaker 1: Remember this is not a Jew speaking, this is.
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Speaker 2: A Palestinian tribal leader saying two state solution dead and buried.
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Speaker 2: Someone should tell Penny Wong because that's still the position
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Speaker 2: of our government, as if they would know what's going on.
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Speaker 2: So for him to admit that and then to write
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Speaker 2: an open letter to the Israeli Economic minister saying, we
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Speaker 2: want you to help us work with us. We will
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Speaker 2: recognize the state of Israel, it's a Jewish nation. We
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Speaker 2: will recognize that Jerusalem belongs to the Jews.
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Speaker 1: This is a huge step forward.
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Speaker 8: End.
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Speaker 2: He says, there are other sheikhs, tribal leaders who control
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Speaker 2: hundreds of thousands of Palestinian people who would also agree
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Speaker 2: to this if Israel were agreeable.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, So this is an absolutely huge story. It broke
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Speaker 6: about twenty four hours ago, was broken by the Wall
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Speaker 6: Street journo. So Wall Street Journal, but a great journal
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Speaker 6: called Elliot Kaufman. I think his name is impeccable mass
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Speaker 6: Sead obviously impeccable credentials. Hebron is the biggest city in
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Speaker 6: the West Bank. It's bigger even I think than the
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Speaker 6: capital Ramawa. And so this is an enormous move. And
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Speaker 6: you hit the nail on the head with the problem
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Speaker 6: with there is no single Palestine. You basically have Gaza,
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Speaker 6: which is or was run by Hamas, which has refused
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Speaker 6: to have elections for well over a decade now. And
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Speaker 6: then you've got Fatah, which runs the West Bank, and
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Speaker 6: they've also been refusing to have elections for a bit
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Speaker 6: over a decade. I think it is because they were
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Speaker 6: scared that Hamas would win those elections and they would
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Speaker 6: lose power, so they kept finding excuses not to have them.
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Speaker 6: So these two guys are already kind of at war,
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Speaker 6: de facto war with each other, and that's before you
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Speaker 6: even get to their collect their war against Israel, which
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Speaker 6: is kind of separate because the West Bank hasn't really
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Speaker 6: been involved in this conflict that involves Gaza. So I
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Speaker 6: think this is a massive, massive breakthrough. And let us
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Speaker 6: not forget as well that the reason for the October
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Speaker 6: seven attacks and the timing of them was especially designed
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Speaker 6: not because everyone hated Israel in the Middle East, but
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Speaker 6: because they're about to do a deal under the Abraham
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Speaker 6: Accords where Saudi Arabia was going to get on board
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Speaker 6: in other Gulf states, we're going to have closer ties
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Speaker 6: with Israel, and so far be it from you know, Hamas,
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Speaker 6: they try to say, oh, you know, Israel's a pariah state.
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Speaker 6: Everyone hates them. They hate Muslims, and we're fighting the
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Speaker 6: flag of fighting the fight for freedom. In fact, Israel
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Speaker 6: was on the verge of being accepted in the Gulf
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Speaker 6: region by basically everyone except Iran and Hamas and HESBLA,
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Speaker 6: and that's why they had to blow up that process.
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Speaker 4: And that's the narrative that the Abraham Cords shattered the
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Speaker 4: idea that you could only have peace in the Middle
19:06
Speaker 4: East once you had a two state solution, or Trump
19:09
Speaker 4: proved that's just false. You can go around the question
19:12
Speaker 4: of a Palestinian state, and not only will foreign governments
19:16
Speaker 4: now want peace with Israel, Palestinians themselves have realized they're
19:20
Speaker 4: on a one way path to misery if they continue
19:23
Speaker 4: to deny Israel's rights to exist, to launch terror attacks
19:27
Speaker 4: against Israel. And so this is amazing. I'm really hoping
19:29
Speaker 4: this progresses into something more well.
19:31
Speaker 2: Staying in the Middle East, the president of Iran has
19:34
Speaker 2: told Tuck Carlson that when they yell death to America,
19:37
Speaker 2: they don't mean death to America. They just mean we
19:39
Speaker 2: want bad vibes to go away.
19:43
Speaker 6: Should we be afraid of Iranian.
19:49
Speaker 7: I believe that this is a very wrong impression that
19:54
Speaker 7: anybody you might have of Iran or the Iranians. I
19:58
Speaker 7: would like to remind you that Iran has never invaded
20:03
Speaker 7: another country in the last two hundred years. When they
20:07
Speaker 7: say death to the United States, it doesn't mean death
20:11
Speaker 7: to They don't mean death to the people of the
20:14
Speaker 7: United States or even to the officials of the United States.
20:20
Speaker 7: They mean death to crimes, death to killing and carnage.
20:27
Speaker 2: Type of Carlson gets an award for being able to
20:29
Speaker 2: sit there with a straight face. Well, he says, you know,
20:32
Speaker 2: when we say death to America, what we really mean
20:34
Speaker 2: is bless your heart, but with rockets.
20:36
Speaker 6: That's right. When we say death to America, we really
20:39
Speaker 6: made stop shop shoplifting. It's just box it says me
20:44
Speaker 6: the stripe face. When we say death to America, we
20:46
Speaker 6: don't mean death to Americans. We don't even mean death
20:49
Speaker 6: to the American government, both of which constitute the very
20:53
Speaker 6: nation and concept of America.
20:56
Speaker 1: And they to America while burning the US flat.
21:00
Speaker 6: But they've been chanting death to America. Will bury in
21:02
Speaker 6: the US fag since nineteen seventy nine, a life fire
21:06
Speaker 6: at that time that actually had American hostages with them.
21:10
Speaker 6: Like America hasn't invaded what crimes.
21:13
Speaker 4: They so absurd, and he says, well, Iran's never invaded
21:16
Speaker 4: anyone in the last two hundred years. Okay, yeah, You've
21:18
Speaker 4: only funded terror groups that have repeatedly invaded Israel.
21:23
Speaker 5: Lebanon tried to overthrow.
21:25
Speaker 4: The Kingdom in Jordan, propped up the Asade regime in Syria.
21:30
Speaker 4: And the fact that this is what is so absurd.
21:32
Speaker 4: Tata Carlson used to be a host on Fox News.
21:35
Speaker 4: He was a relatively reputable media personality. Then he left Fox,
21:40
Speaker 4: he went independent on YouTube and suddenly lost his mind.
21:45
Speaker 4: The fact that he's sitting there and this whole interview,
21:48
Speaker 4: by the way, goes for thirty minutes. He sits there
21:50
Speaker 4: the entire time, does not push back on the president
21:54
Speaker 4: of Iran once while he is spewing the most ludicrous
21:59
Speaker 4: talking point. I don't understand how he has a shred
22:02
Speaker 4: of respectability left.
22:04
Speaker 2: So the Iranian president argued that they've never wanted nuclear weapons.
22:08
Speaker 2: That's an idea that Jews had put in the minds
22:10
Speaker 2: of US presidents.
22:11
Speaker 1: Because the media government Iran have never wanted war with America.
22:15
Speaker 2: That was an idea that Jews have put in the
22:16
Speaker 2: mines of Americans, And that Iran has never wanted to
22:21
Speaker 2: assassinate US presidents alone Donald Trump.
22:23
Speaker 1: Again, that's you can guess where that it's come from.
22:28
Speaker 6: Evil Jews. Jews control all the.
22:30
Speaker 2: World, straight faced, while the Uranian president just spewed all
22:35
Speaker 2: these anti Semitic tropes in conspiracy.
22:38
Speaker 5: He did the.
22:39
Speaker 4: Same thing with Putin a couple of months ago. It
22:41
Speaker 4: was a two hour interview with Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin,
22:45
Speaker 4: and he didn't push back at all.
22:46
Speaker 5: He just let him run his talking points.
22:48
Speaker 4: And I do think it's partly because Qatar has spent
22:51
Speaker 4: over one hundred billion dollars trying to influence the US
22:54
Speaker 4: over the last twenty years, and they're specifically targeting conservative groups,
22:59
Speaker 4: trying to turn the MAGA movement against Trump, against America
23:03
Speaker 4: and sort of in favor of this like isolationist pro Iran,
23:07
Speaker 4: pro Russia agenda, which is absurd when you think about
23:10
Speaker 4: actual conservative American values.
23:14
Speaker 6: They actually end up this is what happened. But if
23:16
Speaker 6: you go far enough to the left or far enough
23:17
Speaker 6: to the right, you end up exact shame spot. It's
23:20
Speaker 6: like Hitler and Stalin's Pact of Steel. They both invaded
23:23
Speaker 6: Poland at the same time you know it was all.
23:25
Speaker 2: I give Tuck a credit for interviewing Putin and interviewing
23:29
Speaker 2: the president of Iran. I think it's great that we're
23:31
Speaker 2: interviewing these people, But the idea of an interview is
23:34
Speaker 2: you push back a little bit, not that you give
23:35
Speaker 2: them free reign to say whatever they want and there's
23:38
Speaker 2: zero challenge.
23:39
Speaker 5: All he's doing at this point is platforming lies. That's it.
23:43
Speaker 4: He's not pushing back, he's not doing anything. But another
23:46
Speaker 4: person who is delusional and crazy is a is a
23:50
Speaker 4: professor at the University of Houston in Texas. Some of
23:55
Speaker 4: his calls for the university is he wants to rename
23:57
Speaker 4: it the George Floyd Universe. He also wants to abolish
24:02
Speaker 4: tuition and great, well, but if you abolish.
24:05
Speaker 1: Tuition at a university, what is the point of the university?
24:08
Speaker 5: Honestly, who knows?
24:10
Speaker 1: Well?
24:10
Speaker 4: This guy specializes in race, immigration, and gender, so I'm
24:15
Speaker 4: not sure he's the brightest fault.
24:17
Speaker 5: But feel what he had to say at this.
24:19
Speaker 9: Pannel Union activists from off campus coming and speaking with
24:26
Speaker 9: us when we had a mobilization of two hundred and
24:32
Speaker 9: fifty students and workers on a campus in a state
24:36
Speaker 9: that's being subjected to such a high level of repression,
24:39
Speaker 9: you begin to see, Okay, if that kind of social
24:45
Speaker 9: insurgency can be dramatically extended, then yeah, ice off campus,
24:52
Speaker 9: that's real. Sanctuary campus can be real, Divestment from apartheid
24:57
Speaker 9: can be real. And once you get insurgent social movements,
25:01
Speaker 9: we all know, every one of us who's ever experienced it,
25:06
Speaker 9: we know how transformative that can be.
25:11
Speaker 4: Well, he said the quiet part out loud there, because
25:13
Speaker 4: clearly this is not about human rights, it's not about
25:16
Speaker 4: any lefty garbage. This is actually about a revolution, and
25:19
Speaker 4: they want to use universities as the launchpad to overthrow
25:24
Speaker 4: the United States. I don't understand how he's not being
25:26
Speaker 4: locked up for sedition.
25:28
Speaker 1: To be honest, I.
25:29
Speaker 6: Just love it how upper middle class socialists use their
25:33
Speaker 6: hands like this to explain to normal people as though
25:37
Speaker 6: they are mentally deficient, how they're crazy plan for violent
25:42
Speaker 6: revolution and insurrection, if you will, on a campus and
25:47
Speaker 6: then broadening out to the general community would actually take
25:52
Speaker 6: place in a real world environment. But what I find
25:55
Speaker 6: particularly disturbing is if you look closely at his left hand,
25:59
Speaker 6: you'll find a wedding ring. So there is some poor
26:02
Speaker 6: woman out there who has to have dinner with this
26:05
Speaker 6: man every night. Bot, somebody please think of the real victims.
26:11
Speaker 1: You absolutely, brother's very good body, very good the man's wife.
26:16
Speaker 2: But I mean, he did say out loud an insurgent
26:19
Speaker 2: social movement, that's what he's advocating for, using public money
26:24
Speaker 2: to do it, And then he holds up the BLM
26:26
Speaker 2: riots as what they aspire to produce in the United States.
26:31
Speaker 5: The idea that.
26:32
Speaker 4: The BLM rights would be anything you would want to
26:35
Speaker 4: aspire to is crazy. They coused two billion dollars in damage,
26:40
Speaker 4: the worst most damaging riots in US history. They claim
26:44
Speaker 4: the lives of between twenty five and thirty five people.
26:48
Speaker 4: So when he says he wants to replicate BLM, he
26:52
Speaker 4: wants to extend that onto a broader scale. What he
26:54
Speaker 4: is basically saying is he wants violent revolution, the overthrow
26:59
Speaker 4: of the government, and complete anarchy that ironically will hurt
27:04
Speaker 4: the working class minorities that he claims to represent.
27:08
Speaker 2: I should say he was speaking at Socialist twenty twenty
27:11
Speaker 2: five conference.
27:12
Speaker 1: In Sydney in August.
27:14
Speaker 2: So those crazy toxic ideas they're coming to a uniber mask.
27:19
Speaker 6: For that one guy, double mask for that one. Remember
27:21
Speaker 6: Covid is airborne and make sure you've got your conspiracy.
27:24
Speaker 1: Let's go to the.
27:25
Speaker 2: UK where they're celebrating Pride Week, and of course, if
27:28
Speaker 2: you're going to celebrate Pride Week, well it's all aboard
27:30
Speaker 2: the virtue signaling express and make the but keep it safe,
27:48
Speaker 2: stay off the track, get on behind the yellow line
27:51
Speaker 2: and don't brush baby, you'll make.
27:52
Speaker 1: It on time.
27:53
Speaker 2: Can you believe UK rail companies are advertising their services
27:57
Speaker 2: during Pride Week like that? What marketing company came up
28:00
Speaker 2: with that as a way of attracting people onto trains.
28:04
Speaker 5: It's like they think.
28:05
Speaker 4: They're still in twenty fifteen when Pride was actually cool
28:08
Speaker 4: and they haven't woken up to realize people just want
28:12
Speaker 4: their trains to run on time. They want to get
28:14
Speaker 4: places quickly and reliably, and they don't want to see
28:18
Speaker 4: six foot tall, hyper sexualized caricatures of women parading around.
28:24
Speaker 4: I find this whole idea that putting this over exaggerated,
28:28
Speaker 4: hyper feminine man on trains for publicity, like the idea
28:34
Speaker 4: that that's somehow empowering or feminists or progressive, is really
28:38
Speaker 4: strange because I think it's rather sexist and demeaning towards
28:42
Speaker 4: actual women.
28:43
Speaker 6: I don't think they trying to do any now. I
28:44
Speaker 6: think this is just having a bit of fun. I
28:46
Speaker 6: don't think they're hurting anybody's you know, we're not talking
28:49
Speaker 6: about you know, a convicted sex offender barging into a
28:52
Speaker 6: female toilet or a female prison or whatever.
28:54
Speaker 2: I mean.
28:54
Speaker 6: I think there are proper or robbing a trans woman,
28:57
Speaker 6: robbing other women of their place on the party at
29:00
Speaker 6: a sponder thing. I think there's time to be outraged.
29:02
Speaker 6: But this is surely just a bit of good fun
29:05
Speaker 6: and a way to promote public transport during Pride Way.
29:08
Speaker 5: It's a commercial decision.
29:10
Speaker 6: It's not a stupid jug what this stuff.
29:13
Speaker 4: I mean, at least the song was catchy, but the
29:15
Speaker 4: actual content of it, people don't want that anymore.
29:18
Speaker 6: I don't think they might it if it's a sort
29:20
Speaker 6: of one. I think when it's one of those things
29:22
Speaker 6: where all right, we are now gearing the entire organization
29:26
Speaker 6: to this, so we have to have you know, trans
29:28
Speaker 6: bathrooms in the Department of Defense or whatever like, that's
29:32
Speaker 6: where people are really are we doing this. But I
29:33
Speaker 6: think when it's just for that special week.
29:35
Speaker 2: Now, I think people are really happy for Pride to
29:37
Speaker 2: be celebrated at Pride during Pride, but they don't want
29:41
Speaker 2: Pride everywhere else, including on their local train. And it's
29:44
Speaker 2: more than just good fun, it's ideological. Last year, during
29:47
Speaker 2: Pride in the UK, someone had the temerity to question
29:51
Speaker 2: the UK Rail Company about why they'd spent fifty eight
29:54
Speaker 2: thousand pounds designing a Pride train, and instead of getting
29:59
Speaker 2: the information, they got a letter back accusing them of
30:02
Speaker 2: being transphobic.
30:03
Speaker 6: Well, actually not just that, trains phobic exactly.
30:07
Speaker 2: And then when they pushed further, they were told that
30:10
Speaker 2: to continue the conversation would be to risk harmful dialogue
30:14
Speaker 2: that could cause distress to trans employees at the rail authority.
30:18
Speaker 2: And it was only when this person complained to authorities
30:21
Speaker 2: that they ordered the transport company to provide the information
30:25
Speaker 2: as to why this money was spent.
30:27
Speaker 1: Et cetera, et cetera.
30:28
Speaker 6: So that's obviously stupid.
30:29
Speaker 1: There's ideology behind the whole thing.
30:31
Speaker 4: Well, and that's the thing, and businesses don't have infinite resources.
30:35
Speaker 4: If they're spending money on this, they're not spending that
30:37
Speaker 4: on improving customer experience. That's what it comes down to.
30:40
Speaker 4: It shows where their priorities are at.
30:43
Speaker 2: I should say, though, the Royal family have gotten involved
30:45
Speaker 2: in Pride this year as well with I don't know
30:47
Speaker 2: if you saw that that King Charles sent a happy
30:50
Speaker 2: Pride message and they had one of the army bands
30:53
Speaker 2: playing what is it Pink Pony Club played by the
30:56
Speaker 2: military bands. So even the Royal family have gotten members.
31:00
Speaker 1: God, I love that.
31:00
Speaker 6: That's fantastic. It's got a nice marching a little bird
31:03
Speaker 6: pink pony co.
31:06
Speaker 1: Royal family is supposed to be above culture wars.
31:08
Speaker 4: It's not the place of the Royal family to be
31:10
Speaker 4: getting involved in Pride, that's for sure. But here in
31:13
Speaker 4: New South Wales there's been another scandal unfolding this week
31:16
Speaker 4: after a New South Wales Ordered General's report found that
31:19
Speaker 4: our government agencies are sorely lacking in cybersecurity. In fact,
31:25
Speaker 4: barely a third of them had proper protections in place.
31:29
Speaker 4: Premier Chrismians was asked about this today and of course
31:32
Speaker 4: deflected responsibility.
31:35
Speaker 8: Look, it is a concern. I'm going to be honest.
31:38
Speaker 8: I would like to see meet all the criteria immediately
31:43
Speaker 8: that the Order to General identify it. That's not possible though,
31:46
Speaker 8: I mean most of the funding for cybersecurity in New
31:49
Speaker 8: South Wales had been cut or put on a funding
31:52
Speaker 8: cliff by the previous government, and.
31:55
Speaker 4: So years allocated about ninety million dollars in the budget.
31:58
Speaker 4: But it's over four years, it's not immediate, and it
32:01
Speaker 4: seems like the problems are very pressing. My problem is here,
32:05
Speaker 4: he goes, Oh, but there's not enough money, mate, You
32:07
Speaker 4: just spent sixteen million dollars subsidizing the UFC coming to
32:12
Speaker 4: New South Wales. I think there's money, you just don't
32:15
Speaker 4: want to spend it where it CONTs.
32:17
Speaker 2: I want to know about liability issues here. If the
32:19
Speaker 2: New South Wales government requires us to use apps where
32:22
Speaker 2: we put our information and without doing that, we can't
32:25
Speaker 2: access services, and then if they get hacked, having told
32:29
Speaker 2: us they know they don't have proper cybersecurity, do we
32:34
Speaker 2: then have the ability to sue them because they have
32:36
Speaker 2: compelled us to use services that they have admitted are
32:40
Speaker 2: not secure.
32:40
Speaker 6: Well, you could throw them, but I dare say that
32:42
Speaker 6: the letter you wrote would mysteriously be hacked and not
32:45
Speaker 6: find its way to the intended recipient. But I think
32:47
Speaker 6: I like, look, everyone knows I love Christians, but you
32:50
Speaker 6: know again, the bloke is honest about where it says.
32:52
Speaker 6: This is a government that is obsessed with budget repair.
32:54
Speaker 6: This is a government that desperately wants and needs to
32:57
Speaker 6: reduce our interest build to or in New South Wales
33:00
Speaker 6: Interest Bill and has brought the budget back into surplus
33:03
Speaker 6: hopefully maybe in the next couple of years or so.
33:07
Speaker 6: And again they're really serious about this. And you know,
33:10
Speaker 6: the sixteen million for the UFC, that's not just money
33:12
Speaker 6: that's been thrown away for nothing. That's to attract a
33:15
Speaker 6: major event to Sydney so that that generates huge amounts
33:19
Speaker 6: of economic activity and that then he again results in
33:23
Speaker 6: more revenue for the government, but more revenue for everybody's
33:25
Speaker 6: pockets because people are coming overseas and spending you know,
33:28
Speaker 6: other countries money in Australia. That's good. So I just
33:31
Speaker 6: think it's refreshing when someone he doesn't pretend that there's
33:34
Speaker 6: no problem, he doesn't pretend that he's going to be
33:37
Speaker 6: able to fix it immediately when he knows he can't,
33:40
Speaker 6: and he's honest enough to say it. I think that's
33:42
Speaker 6: just And he's just so handsome. I mean, look at
33:44
Speaker 6: the guy. Look at the guy attending.
33:46
Speaker 2: He's not concerned with budget repair, and that's the Albanese government.
33:49
Speaker 2: At a federal level, they continue to spend money like
33:52
Speaker 2: it's well, like it's ours, including spending one point six
33:56
Speaker 2: million dollars sending Chris Bowen and twenty five bureaucrats to
34:01
Speaker 2: last year's climate conference.
34:04
Speaker 1: Have a look at this expense account.
34:05
Speaker 2: We'll show you where the money went, various government departments,
34:09
Speaker 2: paying cost about twenty thousand dollars per bureaucrat to send
34:13
Speaker 2: them to this conference where there were no major decisions made,
34:17
Speaker 2: where Australia's impact, of course on global emissions is absolutely
34:21
Speaker 2: minimal and an absolute waste of money. The only way
34:25
Speaker 2: this money could have been beneficial I think Freyer is
34:28
Speaker 2: having spent one point six million dollars to send Chris
34:30
Speaker 2: Bowen and friends to the climate conference is if they
34:33
Speaker 2: did not come.
34:34
Speaker 5: Back exactly right. And it's so ironic.
34:38
Speaker 4: How many emissions did they produce flying all seventy five
34:42
Speaker 4: people over there?
34:43
Speaker 5: It's absurd. Why did all those bureaucrats need to go anyway?
34:46
Speaker 4: But I will tell you the one significant thing that
34:48
Speaker 4: happened at kop in Azerbaijan. Six more countries joined the
34:53
Speaker 4: Declaration to triple nuclear energy by twenty fifty. That brings
34:58
Speaker 4: it up to thirty one countries. So the one potentially
35:01
Speaker 4: useful aspect of COP which could have been to change
35:04
Speaker 4: Labour's mind on nuclear they conveniently ignored. And so I
35:08
Speaker 4: really do not know what the point of.
35:09
Speaker 5: This trib was.
35:10
Speaker 2: Well, I thank god we spent all that money because
35:11
Speaker 2: we actually had a pavilion there in Australia, pavilion the
35:14
Speaker 2: cop confidence, the one point six million dollars.
35:17
Speaker 1: Whatever we spent it was, it was worth it.
35:21
Speaker 3: Whilst we're not on Australian lands, I'd still like to
35:24
Speaker 3: start with acknowledging the traditional owners of Australia and the
35:28
Speaker 3: Torres Strait Islands and pay my respects to their elders, past,
35:32
Speaker 3: present and emerging. So today we've got I'm going to
35:36
Speaker 3: sit down today, we've got a great panel for you.
35:40
Speaker 3: In fact, there's only two panel members and myself.
35:45
Speaker 1: There are no words.
35:46
Speaker 6: Why do they why do they do this to me?
35:51
Speaker 6: Why aren't you acknowledging the traditional owners of the land
35:55
Speaker 6: on which you are actually gathered, namely the Azerbaijanis If
36:00
Speaker 6: you're going to add if you're going to acknowledge them
36:02
Speaker 6: on the other land on the other side of the planet.
36:04
Speaker 6: Can you at least you know, acknowledge the Inuits. You
36:07
Speaker 6: can acknowledge the Navajos, I acknowledge the super acknowledge everybody.
36:11
Speaker 6: So what Ari Bushman?
36:12
Speaker 2: Watching how ridiculous all that is and thinking about how
36:15
Speaker 2: much money was spent. Can you imagine if Chris Bowen
36:18
Speaker 2: and anthiobdes you get their way and Australia is going
36:20
Speaker 2: to groasting to be the climate contra economic driver. God
36:25
Speaker 2: help us, We're going to go to a break. When
36:26
Speaker 2: we come back, we'll look at the papers, including reports
36:29
Speaker 2: that Aaron Patterson, the mushroom murderer, may well appeal her
36:32
Speaker 2: conviction and Carlton AFL coach Michael Voss the subject of
36:37
Speaker 2: death threats because Carlton are doing so badly in the football.
36:40
Speaker 1: All of that and more in just a moment. Welcome
36:49
Speaker 1: back to the program.
36:50
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow, so
36:53
Speaker 2: you hear it tonight. First, Fray, you've got the Australian
36:56
Speaker 2: of course, the RBA interest rate decision leading the news
36:59
Speaker 2: in tomorrow's.
37:00
Speaker 4: Great headline in the Australian Treasurer's calling, but RBA puts
37:04
Speaker 4: him on hold. Jim Chalmers has weaponized a split vote
37:09
Speaker 4: of the Reserve Bank Board, declaring millions of Australians would
37:12
Speaker 4: have been disappointed by its decision to keep rates on hold,
37:16
Speaker 4: as Governor Michelle Bullock argued she was yet to be
37:20
Speaker 4: convinced inflation had been nailed. Ms Bullock said the decision
37:24
Speaker 4: to hold the cash rate at three point eight five
37:26
Speaker 4: percent was about timing rather than direction, arguing traders pricing
37:30
Speaker 4: in a ninety six percent chance of a rate cut
37:32
Speaker 4: were two focused on the June monthly figures showing headline
37:35
Speaker 4: inflation had dropped to two point one percent. I mean
37:39
Speaker 4: this is interesting because I think Jim Charmers in this
37:43
Speaker 4: is really trying to deflect blame. The reason Australians are
37:46
Speaker 4: worse off is because of your government. Interest rates are
37:49
Speaker 4: a blunt force tool. They cannot compensate for policy mismanagement.
37:54
Speaker 2: And for the first time now we know how the
37:56
Speaker 2: RBA voted. Six voted to leave interest rates as they are,
38:00
Speaker 2: Three wanted interest rates dropped, and of course that led
38:04
Speaker 2: to a question from the press pack effect. I think
38:06
Speaker 2: it might have been a Sky News reporter who asked
38:08
Speaker 2: the obvious question, why would you tell us the vote
38:12
Speaker 2: was six three without telling us who were the three
38:15
Speaker 2: who wanted rates dropped.
38:16
Speaker 6: And freedom fast? The three musketeers?
38:19
Speaker 2: Why did they believe that when others didn't? And so
38:21
Speaker 2: this goes to the weaponization of the RBA board. Charmers
38:25
Speaker 2: wants more transparency, but of course then he uses transparency
38:29
Speaker 2: to say, well, three wanted to drop rates. So this
38:32
Speaker 2: isn't a complete decision against our government.
38:34
Speaker 1: There was a split in the board.
38:35
Speaker 2: We wouldn't have known that had it not been for
38:37
Speaker 2: the changes that Charmers made.
38:39
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think. I mean it's obviously much more transfer
38:41
Speaker 6: transparent than it was. I mean before we wouldn't even
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Speaker 6: know whether it was unanimous or split or whatever.
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Speaker 1: You would just do we need to know that?
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Speaker 6: Well, this is a question. It could go It could
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Speaker 6: go back to just being this is the RBA's decision.
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Speaker 6: Then you'd have to wait another day to even find
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Speaker 6: out the reasons for their decision. So I think this
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Speaker 6: is better than it was. I suppose if you did
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Speaker 6: know how each person on the board voted, would that
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Speaker 6: leave them vulnerable to sort of pressure from interest groups
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Speaker 6: or whatever would lobby them to or whatever. I don't know,
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Speaker 6: but look, you know I would have loved a rate
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Speaker 6: cut where up the wazoo like everyone else with our mortgage,
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Speaker 6: you know, talking about inflation not being nailed, I'll tell
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Speaker 6: you what has been nailed us homeowners of Australia. But
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Speaker 6: it is also a sign that the economy is running
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Speaker 6: a little bit hotter than and a little bit better
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Speaker 6: than people might fear. So it's kind of like good news.
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Speaker 6: And as long as they go down eventually, maybe the
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Speaker 6: probably why they say, sorry, this is the worst, most
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Speaker 6: boring thing to end up being stuck about the problem
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Speaker 6: is if you don't smash inflation, as we say on
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Speaker 6: this network time and time again, once inflation goes up,
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Speaker 6: it stays up. It just stops increasing as dramatically, whereas
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Speaker 6: rates can go up and down. And that's why the
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Speaker 6: RBA is so absolutely scared about inflation, because once that's
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Speaker 6: out of the bag, that's it's all over, red River.
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Speaker 6: The damage is already done, whereas at least with rights
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Speaker 6: you can you know, you can move them up.
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Speaker 4: But it would be nice to see the government taking
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Speaker 4: some responsibility instead of just blaming the RVA for Australian's pain.
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Speaker 4: But also in the Australian tomorrow trans woman's victory.
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Speaker 5: In courts challenged.
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Speaker 4: A ruling that a transgender woman was discriminated against when
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Speaker 4: rejected from a female only networking app is to be
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Speaker 4: challenged on the grounds of the judge failed to consider
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Speaker 4: that the platform was designed to overcome the real disadvantages
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Speaker 4: faced by biological women. Sal Grove, the creator of Giggle
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Speaker 4: for Girls app, has lodged and appeal seeking to overturn
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Speaker 4: last year's Federal Court ruling that she unlawfully discriminated against
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Speaker 4: Roxane Tickle, a biological male who identifies as a woman,
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Speaker 4: by barring her from the app. I mean, I think
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Speaker 4: this case just underscores the fact that Australia has pitifully
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Speaker 4: few protections for biological women and so I hope her
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Speaker 4: appeal succeeds. But regardless of that, this is something Parliament
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Speaker 4: needs to be looking at well.
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Speaker 2: The only interesting part of this is sel Grover tells
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Speaker 2: The Australian that so far she spent one point five
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Speaker 2: million dollars.
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Speaker 1: By the time this appeal goes ahead.
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Speaker 2: If it goes to the High Court, she estimates another
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Speaker 2: one point five million, so that would be three million
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Speaker 2: dollars To try to make the point women should have
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Speaker 2: their own spaces.
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Speaker 1: That's absolutely ludicrous.
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Speaker 6: It's interesting that the basis of the pel seems to
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Speaker 6: be that it's biological women who are facing the disadvantage,
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Speaker 6: not just women, and so basically said, no, no, this
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Speaker 6: is for biological women because they face more real disadvantage,
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Speaker 6: and this is what this group's about. Therefore it so
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Speaker 6: I appropriately have a trans woman in there. So could
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Speaker 6: you just actually solve all of these problems by just
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Speaker 6: adding the word biological in front of women, so they
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Speaker 6: could have biological women's toilets, or you could have the
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Speaker 6: biological women's room. I mean, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 6: like the.
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Speaker 2: Thing I don't suddenly there's another kind of woman other
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Speaker 2: than the biological I know.
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Speaker 6: But this is the sort of semantics we're getting into,
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Speaker 6: isn't it Like if biological can suddenly ameliorate all these
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Speaker 6: other claims of discrimination.
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Speaker 4: And it probably can't, because they would say, well, it's
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Speaker 4: on my birth certificate, it's on my passport, I am
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Speaker 4: a biological woman, even if they're a trans person.
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Speaker 6: Or a bureaucratic woman and a legal woman, but not
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Speaker 6: necessarily a biological one. That would be the interesting anyway,
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Speaker 6: just a thought.
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Speaker 2: The other interesting thing, and the Australian is the crackdown
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Speaker 2: on cannabis frail.
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Speaker 5: Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 4: The Medical watchdog is cracking down on doctors writing thousands
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Speaker 4: of scripts a month for medical cannabis with consultations lasting seconds,
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Speaker 4: prescribing to children and to patients who just ask for
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Speaker 4: the drug. I mean, this is a really interesting story
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Speaker 4: that's unfolding. You're seeing some nurses, some pharmacists and doctors
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Speaker 4: prescribing thousands of medicinal cannabis doses a year. They can't
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Speaker 4: possibly have that many patients, So where is all this
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Speaker 4: cannabis going?
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Speaker 2: And, as you said, with consultations that happen in just moments.
42:53
Speaker 2: The other interesting news that that sort of builds on
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Speaker 2: this is Thailand complete decriminalized cannabis, not just for medicinal purposes,
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Speaker 2: but just for general purposes. After three years of that
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Speaker 2: little experiment, they're winding the whole thing back. Medicinal cannabis
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Speaker 2: is still for medical purposes, is still allowed.
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Speaker 6: Is that because everyone problems they can play the guitar.
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Speaker 2: Eighteen thousand cannabis shops opened up in three years, just
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Speaker 2: caused mayhem. Let's go to the front page of the
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Speaker 2: Herald Son Evil erin I'll fight, reads the headline. Aaron
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Speaker 2: Patterson is set to appeal her convictions after being returned
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Speaker 2: to the protection unit of the prison, where she could
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Speaker 2: spend the rest of her life. That remains unknown what
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Speaker 2: grounds any appeal will rely on. The mass murderer is
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Speaker 2: likely to argue the jury simply came to the wrong decision.
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Speaker 1: I guess that would be the argument.
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Speaker 6: To be played language. She's got that technical mumbo jumbo twenty.
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Speaker 2: Eight days to make an appeal. She's in protection, of course,
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Speaker 2: And interestingly in this article, the doctor who first reported
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Speaker 2: her says that he doesn't think she will need protection
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Speaker 2: in prison because he describes her as quote, not just evil,
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Speaker 2: she's intelligent and he believes she would have already reached
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Speaker 2: the upper echelons of the hierarchy within the women's prison.
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Speaker 1: So there you go.
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Speaker 2: The other interesting news on the front page of Tomorrow's
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Speaker 2: Sun for AFL supporters, which means everybody in Victoria an
44:19
Speaker 2: exclusive story vile Voss threat. AFL Integrity Unit probes henous message.
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Speaker 2: Carlton has been alerted to a henous threat directed at
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Speaker 2: under siege coach Michael Voss. The shocking message is understood
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Speaker 2: to reference a brutal end to the coach's life. The
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Speaker 2: Blues have confirmed they've been made aware of the threat
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Speaker 2: from a fan that was sent to the AFL last week,
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Speaker 2: and the league's integrity department is investigating. Brisbane Lions take
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Speaker 2: on Carlton in Brisbane this weekend and it's understood Michael
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Speaker 2: Voss will have extra security, which is absolutely ridiculous. I
44:53
Speaker 2: know it's religion, but it is just a game of football.
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Speaker 6: Can I say as an essence supporter? Is exactly the
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Speaker 6: sort of behavior you'd expect from Carmentat. It does not
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Speaker 6: come from a surprise. They're like Collingwood fans, but with money.
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Speaker 6: Send your letters to mornings at channel nine dot com
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Speaker 6: dot are you Now let's get to the Tasmania mercury
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Speaker 6: and this is just an absolute rat like this is
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Speaker 6: why we can't have nice things right. You try to
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Speaker 6: do a favor for someone, you try to help a
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Speaker 6: brother out, and it leads you nothing but trouble. No
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Speaker 6: good deed goes unpunished. So the AFL and the federal
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Speaker 6: government they try to give Tasmania. You want to talk
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Speaker 6: about being a religion, Nowhere is AFL more of a
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Speaker 6: religion than in Tasmania. It is. They are even more
45:36
Speaker 6: obsessed with it than than Melbourne is. It is just
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Speaker 6: absolutely all they talk about, all they think about. And
45:42
Speaker 6: now they get this brand new AFL stadium and everyone's
45:45
Speaker 6: up in arm. Suddenly they're protesting about where are we
45:48
Speaker 6: going to put this? You know, you get a giant
45:49
Speaker 6: truckload of cash. Oh where am I supposed to find
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Speaker 6: a park for that? You know? Where am I going
45:53
Speaker 6: to put the stadium? They've got some anyway, So now
45:56
Speaker 6: they're so worried about attracting players to this brand new team,
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Speaker 6: this brand new stadium, that they have launched a quote
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Speaker 6: brag book. So that is the story behind They have
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Speaker 6: one devilish charm get it, because they're called the Tasmanian
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Speaker 6: Devils and they're trying to charm would be players by
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Speaker 6: giving a brag book. They're preparing a brag book as
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Speaker 6: part of a new approach to selling the dream of
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Speaker 6: playing footy and the Apple Isle to potential draftees. Named
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Speaker 6: by Devil's boss Brendan Gaile, the document will be a
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Speaker 6: key tool in convincing the first generation of Devil's recruits
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Speaker 6: to come to Tasmania to form their AFL career.
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Speaker 2: There you go, trying to tempt good players down to
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Speaker 2: the apple aisle. We're going to go to a break
46:35
Speaker 2: when we come back, our dope of the day and
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Speaker 2: act bureaucrats wanting to mandate doggo and has spent at
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Speaker 2: least three hours a day with their pets, all of
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Speaker 2: that more in.
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Speaker 1: Just a moment. Well, welcome back to the program.
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Speaker 2: It's time for our dope of the day.
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Speaker 1: The day.
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Speaker 2: And today's special shout out goes to a would be
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Speaker 2: arsonist in Burwood, Sydney last month tried to fire bomb
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Speaker 2: a beauty sellon and just didn't understand you've got to
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Speaker 2: not get the petrol on yourself. Not only did the
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Speaker 2: beauty sellon go up in flames, you can see he
47:16
Speaker 2: did as well. But he couldn't lie down and roll
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Speaker 2: because he would have exposed himself to arrest.
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Speaker 1: So he had to run away while on fire. Complete idiots.
47:25
Speaker 2: While he's running away his hood, he fell down. Police
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Speaker 2: can now identify him, and God willing, they will find
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Speaker 2: him soon.
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Speaker 5: Frame what a complete idiot.
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Speaker 4: Well, there's a New York suburb that is making a
47:37
Speaker 4: bit of a splash for now.
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Speaker 6: Oh, I see what you did there.
47:40
Speaker 4: Father in the Bronx has set up a makeshift pool
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Speaker 4: for his son's birthday that's now turned into a bit
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Speaker 4: of a neighborhood icon. Using water from a nearby fire hydrant,
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Speaker 4: He's built a pool that kids in the neighborhood are
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Speaker 4: loving to use. Police have, I guess, raided the pool
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Speaker 4: already on July FI, but they haven't shut it down
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Speaker 4: just yet. And I think this is, while potentially a
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Speaker 4: little dangerous and very illegal, a win for fun.
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Speaker 6: Never has failing utility infrastructure been put to such positive
48:12
Speaker 6: community use. And finally, the Act government has responded to
48:16
Speaker 6: claims that is totalitarian, authoritarian and interventionist by introducing new
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Speaker 6: laws saying that dog owners must spend at least three
48:25
Speaker 6: hours with their pets. Pet owners would be legally required
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Speaker 6: to spend a minimum three hours with their dog every
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Speaker 6: day under proposed laws in the Act. But questions remain
48:36
Speaker 6: this is like just again, just I'm glad I'm sitting down.
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Speaker 6: Questions remain about how such laws would be enflauced.
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Speaker 4: They are going to have dog police cover around People
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Speaker 4: don't even spend three hours a day with their own children,
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Speaker 4: let alone their dogs.
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Speaker 6: I want to ever know where mine are.
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Speaker 2: You have dogs taking out restraining orders saying I just
48:56
Speaker 2: need some alone time.
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Speaker 1: Just give me some alone time.
48:58
Speaker 2: And you have cats wanting because I'll be observing dogs
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Speaker 2: getting all the attempts talk.
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Speaker 4: About helicopter animal parenting alert. We're going to have a
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Speaker 4: rise in anxiety and depression will be very bad.
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Speaker 1: Imagine coming up with that idea.
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Speaker 2: What sort of a person would think he's a really
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Speaker 2: great idea to just annoy everybody.
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Speaker 6: We're going to give you a pause for thought.
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Speaker 1: Very good. That's it from us. Stick around his fread dependenty.
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Speaker 1: Good night,