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DB's, Team Def & Kickers are People TOO!!! · The Fantasy Football War Council

• Jonathan: Mortals gather round, the war drums echo across the fantasy realm, and the gods have convened once again. Welcome to another fantasy football war council. I am Jonathan, your god of war. Standing beside me are the brothers of destruction, the brothers Grim, Daniel, and Mario. Together we separate champions from the pretenders, the sleepers from the bust, and lead you to fantasy glory. The council is in session. I know, I know, right. Me Mario: We're back, baby. Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: I love it. I love it. It's almost football time. Your tags. I love that our tags are almost due. you know. Daniel: Tomorrow. There's still seven or six that have not put in, I believe. Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. That's all right. I texted the Lopez as a you you have four children, you can be reminded, but no one else file. I did text Robbie and said if you don't do your tags, it's gonna be very bad. I would do I mean Yeah, you're you're not gonna have any it's it's a big step back when you don't get your tags and you gotta just add on draft spots, right? Daniel: Ha ha. Yeah. Your your players are going into the draft pool. You've got enough y you know, that's that's Me Mario: we we will have a vote. Daniel: Yep, is what it is. Yep, you've got waivers now. Essentially. Yeah, that's right. Well, yep. Because you had all of the notifications and we even text you. So it is what it is. You did put in. We're not gonna babysit. You're adults. Jonathan: Watch those players way away. Yeah. Why do I have three extra draft spots? That's okay. It's okay. It's a lesson learned and you know. Me Mario: I want you here. I want to give away. Jonathan: Stop stop muting sleepers, stop muting Discord. This is where we have our talks. Right, right. So Okay. On today's War Council we have a couple news blurbs. We have some daddy talk. I love it. We also have our defensive backs, our kickers, and our team defense rankings. because you know kickers are people too, so we do not leave them out. Daniel: Yeah, yeah. Me Mario: Yeah. Excuse me, Daddy. Excuse me, can you help? Excuse me, Daddy. Daniel: Mm. Me Mario: Yeah. Daniel: We do not segregate kickers. All right. Jonathan: No, not at all. Not at all. I can't wait to get into these rankings. So let's do it. Me Mario: So run into the mountain Daniel: Start the news. Me Mario: at it. Daniel: First bit of news, Adam Schaefer says Aaron Donald's Friday workout at the Los Angeles Rams facility was essentially a test as he reti as the retired defensive star continues to consider a possible NFL comeback. Schaefer stated that Donald wanted to evaluate how his body and mind responded to football level competition. He wanted, quote, he wanted to go to the facility, work out, see how he felt, and see how he reacted. Me Mario: And I want to point out on the wheel. Daniel: Reacted. End quote. I still think he's gonna come in at like week eight just for the final push. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Make sure Stafford's still healthy. Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Just at the end, right? Yeah. You yeah, you have mentioned that. And that's not it's lighter on the body. Yeah, it's lighter on the body. Me Mario: Yeah, they they said his agent is discussing how many weeks he wants to play this season. And that's kinda where they're at. So he's evaluating his body, yes, to see how he feels and how much he wants to put it under. So Jonathan: Interesting. Daniel: Well me comes in. Jonathan: I I think Yeah. He knew his step away point. That's what he he does wanna why risk the body when you've got the money and this thing on his fingers. So, you know. He wants to add a friend to it, right? So Daniel: Mm. Yeah. Well they're Mm Me Mario: That's right. Daniel: Their bye week's week eleven, so if he comes into week twelve and they go to the Super Bowl and win the Super Bowl, that's only ten games. Jonathan: Then why we could do one in some if he comes in with twice. Me Mario: Mm. Yeah. Jonathan: True. But they've already gotta be in that already. We've done well enough to bring him in. So I gotta Daniel: Why why else wouldn't he? Well Yeah, we'll come out to the retirement. Put that ch put that cherry on top of the defense, right when everybody thinks they've got you figured out. Jonathan: Yeah. Sitting in a box seat watching the first seven weeks. Yeah. Yeah. Me Mario: Well there is someone who knows they're gonna be working for the next three years, and that's Dolphins linebacker Jordan Brooks. of everyone they cut from their roster they said, you know what? Daniel: Mm. Me Mario: You, my friend, are the poor sad soul who's gonna be hanging the banner up in this battlefield of a of a team. And he got f 51.3 million dollars for three years. So good for him. they said that's the bad team, whatchamacallit, price. And even then, they said Dolphins did pretty good. Daniel: Yeah. That's a hit for Rodriguez. Me Mario: It is, but I th I think it's worth it bringing the rookie in with someone linebackers always take a long time to develop. So I don't I don't think it's a bad thing to have a veteran in and h ahead of him. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Three years generally. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. No, and I love this veteran and I have high on my ranking list, so yeah. I like it, I like it. I'd buy that. I'd buy that for a dollar. Daniel: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Me Mario: Yeah. Jonathan: So okay, so sad news, sad news. Panthers, right ta right tackle, Taylor Mountain will miss the twenty twenty six season with Glood Cloud. And then Jace Horn is on the NFI list at the moment. So Yeah, Panthers, yeah, their defense. Come on. Daniel: Yikes. Me Mario: wow. That's a big hit to the Panthers. I was really, really afraid of that defense the way they were building it up, but he is a l quite the clinch pin there. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah, that's it's huge. Daniel: Mm. Jonathan: Mm, absolutely. That was my thought. Daniel: Packers Defensive Tackle Devontae Wyatt agrees to a three year fifty-seven million dollar extension. Good for him. Jonathan: Mm. Yeah, money. I love it. I'm gonna have half my drops for a night. That's terrible. I love it though. That's get their pay get their bank. Get their bank, so. Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Dude, I I can't wait to see what Gannon does there. I think he got the raw deal and I think he's got something to prove. Daniel: I I we'll s we'll see we'll see below. I'm pretty high on the Packers defense this year. Mm-hmm. Me Mario: Me too. As you will see later. Jonathan: Mm. I got him on my list. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. Well hey, let's jump into those rankings. Let's start with our defensive backs. And my yeah. Well I mean like deservingly so in his number one spot on our list. Yeah. Daniel: There's there there is one more bit of news. Me Mario: yes. Jonathan: yeah yeah yeah ring I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, this is exciting. Yeah. Daniel: yes. Me Mario: We get some real Daniel: Rookies report to training camp tomorrow. We're here. Training camp starts. Jonathan: I like it. Me Mario: yeah. Real football is on the precipice. We're coming up. We're coming up. We're getting close. Jonathan: I like it. I like it. Daniel: All right, now we can get in the D D rankings. Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah, we have Well it's what's w what's all the memes that the World Cup's over? Now all the NFL's like, Yes, we're here. We're we're here. So okay. All right, so D Bs. Daniel: Mm. D B is a unanimous number one. Me Mario: Yeah. Jonathan: Animus number one, yeah, yeah. Cooper DeGene. Deservingly so in my eyes. I think Me Mario: Cooper De G Jonathan: Right. Stud. D yeah. Absolutely. Daniel: He's just and he's set up in a he basically plays Me Mario: The man's got some fundamentals. He's so Daniel: a third linebacker on the field. And so yeah. You you just Me Mario: And and they're moving him back to safety from the slot, so that he can cover more of the field. Daniel: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Me Mario: And so originally when the news came out, everyone thought, okay, well he's getting demoted. And then all the other news was, No, he's so good, we just need him to do more on the field. And so if he already was doing pretty well as a DB before in fantasy, yeah. Here we go. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Hmm. Yep. There you moving him to safety. Now I I Jonathan: Well, I think I think the structure of moving from cornerback to safety is seen as like the step down. You're slowing down, you're you've lost the step, so we're moving you to this cover this area back here, right? That's how it's seen. So Daniel: Well slot slot corner can score like a safety because they're involved in the run plays and everything else as well. They're like a third linebacker on the field. However, rumor is is that Fangio saw the way that Seattle used Imagy and was like, We've got somebody that can be better at all of that. Me Mario: S not not when you have Jonathan: I remember the days where were Me Mario: Yeah. Yeah. Daniel: And so then they've now designated him as a safety and they're gonna be putting packages together like they did with Imanori last year. So Me Mario: Blitzing packages and Jonathan: Mm. Me Mario: run stuffing packages. He was very clear that he thinks that DeSheen can read the field so quickly, he'll start coming in on those. So that's a great nod and a huge compliment to your young talent that way when the coach Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Absolutely. Me Mario: puts his su puts himself on the line for your position change that way. yeah, only good things. I'm super high on him. Daniel: yep. Jonathan: Think we all are. Daniel: Number one. Jonathan: So Mario, Me Mario: Yeah, we couldn't be any higher. Jonathan: you you need to you need to go out on this one because you're you're highest on this, so you need to you should you should take number two here. Me Mario: Okay. Got Cam curl. Number two. And don't know how he's gonna get a hold of anyone touching the ball at all when the whole line is gonna be collapsing the whole pocket and everything else, but I think pick sixes when quarterbacks are screaming, my god and Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Yeah. no. Yeah. Me Mario: Could could could boost him up a few games. You know, the ball's gotta go somewhere. Jonathan: Like a free throw. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Daniel: Mm. Jonathan: Yeah, not wrong. That's that's a good call. he is he is in both of our top tens, my number eight and Daniel's number ten. So solid, solid. Me Mario: Mhm. Yeah, he he has continuous improvement and I think with that line, I I think he's got the hawking ability that could have some really, really killer games in IDF in IDP. Daniel: Mm. Jonathan: Yeah. I think you'll have a really good year too. Daniel, I like your number two. Daniel: Yeah. Nick Cross. new free agent to Washington. so he's bringing his tackle tackle safety skill set to a Dan Quinn defense and I'm really excited to see how they're gonna use him on that. And I think that was an improvement on his situation. so I'm really looking forward to seeing what he can do 'cause he's already been a top five scoring safety over the last three years. So Me Mario: Mm. I agree. Jonathan: I'm kinda high to see what Washington can do this year. I really want to see that myself. Absolutely. Absolutely. I have him at number three, so I think two not y it's not a bad spot for Daniel or Mario, I wanna crickets. Crickets, we're I'm I'm looking. Daniel: Mm. It could be a greatly improved defense with the talent that they brought in. Yeah. Me Mario: I am too. Alright, you know, this is an exact list. Jonathan: Sure. Daniel: Hmm. Me Mario: No, I I I think he has huge potential to do it there. my only issue is every once in a while Dan Quinn has a defense that doesn't do because all the offensive people already know what's coming. And so I expect the linebacker to eat more in that and the schemes to fight around. But to to put him completely off my list was wrong by me. So Nick Cross, if you're listening, I'm sorry. I if I had to do the list over, you would be up definitely relevant on my list. Sorry I left you off. I regret that. Jonathan: But got a good library. Daniel: Ha ha ha. Yeah. Jonathan: Man, we got some live shame at fourteen minutes in people. That's awesome. that's Whew Whew Okay, we'll move on. We'll move on. ooh, man. Daniel, we share a name and I love this name. Tike Smith. High five. Love it. Love it. Daniel: Yeah. That was you Me Mario: Yeah. Daniel: and Mario, you guys have at three. I actually have at four. I have Imminori at three. Me Mario: no no. I have him at three, you guys have him at four. Jonathan: shit, I'm sorry. You're at four, you got at four. Daniel: Yeah. I've got that's right. So I've got Nicky Mignori at three and and Mario's higher on Tike Smith. yeah, you didn't go over your number two. Jonathan: We both have yeah, we both got on the floor. Me Mario: Yeah. Jonathan: I think go my number two though. man, don't get them. Me Mario: I am Jonathan: Yes. I so my number two. I j I saw Pikey Smith's name and I'm like, Go. Sorry. Go. Kyle Hamilton. I love Kyle Hamilton. Kyle Hampton, you're on my dynast you're on my dynasty team. You deservedly so. You're you're you're the dude that dude is he is absolutely amazing. And it feels like he's just everywhere on that on that bulk of our defense, so Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. Me Mario: Dude, I he's amazing. Daniel: Yeah. Me Mario: I just think he's gonna split carries with Starks a little bit. Not carries, but whatchamacallit? split time, yeah. And and so I I don't think that's gonna be bad. Hopefully that just gives him fresher legs. But but we'll see. Jonathan: Tackles, everything, interceptions, take it away. Daniel: Responsibilities. Jonathan: Mm. Yeah. Daniel: I just I did drop him down. He's still five for me, which is top five, right? But I dropped him down out of the top two or three just because of the fact that I don't know what that defense is gonna look like. It's a new defensive coordinator, it's a new head coach. They they're coming into the season completely different. I think that he could have they could finally use him to his potential as that chess piece. Jonathan: Yeah. True. True. Me Mario: Yeah. Daniel: a rather than locking him into a single position because when they move him around more on that defense, man, he is an IDP star. But when they just lock him into free safety, he's he doesn't really do anything. He's great and beneficial to the team, but it's not good for fantasy purposes. Yeah. Yeah. Me Mario: Yeah. Jonathan: You trying his handbine back. Yeah, you trying his handbines back, so. Me Mario: Yeah. It it reminded me more of so what did Derwin James do last year? And Derwin James is a star, but he didn't really do much for fantasy last year. And but he intimidated and made quarterbacks throw elsewhere. So with him and Starks being so talented the way they are, I just I put him down to nine. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Jonathan: When you scare the quarterbacks to throw elsewhere, you're doing your job. So I don't know. you have Kyle Hamilton at nine. So he's top ten for you. So good spot. Okay. Now we'll go to your three since we're you're the Daniel, you have the remaining, you have Nick you have Nick Yuminori here. Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Hell yeah. Daniel: Imaniori at three and Mario's got Go for it, Mario. Me Mario: I I already mentioned Tike Smith. Daniel: Tyche Smith. Nice. Me Mario: Heck yeah. Jonathan: Yeah, yeah, I jumped the gun here, so R four. Yeah. Me Mario: For the books. Our own books. With with that line and the added pressure, I think he's gonna add about at least about four points per game from what he was last year, so Daniel: Yeah. Woohoo. Let's hope so. Not on my dynasty team. Jonathan: Mm. That'd Me Mario: I'm pretty I'm Jonathan: be Me Mario: pretty high on him. Jonathan: that'd be nice. That'd be nice. Yeah Daniel: So is Nick Cross, so Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Yeah, sorry. He's gonna be cross with me. Daniel: yeah, I I think that the addition of Anzalone is actually gonna help Tyche Smith. So and then Mario, who's you got number at four? Me Mario: I'm stoked. Jonathan: Yeah. Me Mario: Kumari Lasseter. I tha as everything on that defense continues to develop and he becomes the he's still the weaker of the two cornerbacks, it's just the fact that people are gonna still gonna be throwing to him rather than Singletary. yeah. I I'm like, he's gonna get the targets and he's excellent. Daniel: Mm. Me Mario: So most of the time you steer clear of the excellent cornerbacks, because they don't get targeted, but yeah, he's gonna get he's gonna eat this year. Jonathan: Good logic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Daniel: Nice. Me Mario: Definitely under under pressure as well. So yeah, he's gonna get some passes that they didn't wanna make that they're gonna make in his direction. Daniel: Nice. Jonathan: that'll take us to my number five. Derwin James previously mentioned. I don't know. I just this is talented man. Throw away the ball. I I'm good, but I'm I'm good with the changes that they are making here, with the Chargers. I'm excited for them. I think Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Nice. Me Mario: New coordinator. Daniel: Yep. Jonathan: I wanna see a lot of the team, not just speaking of D B's here, I wanna see a lot of their team hit potential. Speaking of you, Justin Herbert. and I'd love to see Amari and Hampton being your my dynasty team here. So, you know, Chargers, I love it. I love it. But yeah, Derman James. Yeah, Dermin James, so I like it. It's Daniel: Yep. Nice. Jonathan: When you throw again, when you th when you gotta force the ball away, you're not high on fantasy, but you're forcing it elsewhere, so Daniel: Yeah. yeah, I think he's gonna be good too. He happens to be my number six. aforementioned Kyle Hamilton at five. Mario, who do you have at number five? Me Mario: Yeah. I have Dylan Tieneman of the Chicago Bears rookie round coming up. I d I have I've Derwin James at ten, new offensive coordinator, hand picked or sorry, defensive coordinator, hand picked by Harbaugh. First rookie, I think Tieneman's going to make some big impact plays for the Bears. Jonathan: on the microwave. He does have Verwin James at number ten, so we will mention. Daniel: Yeah. He does. Derwin Deems at ten. Mario's Wow, the first rookie on the list. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's a good thing. You're no, we lost him. I I love Vinneman. I think that's great. I will apologize because yeah, look at you. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: that makes me that makes me chuckle a little bit. Guys up watching you Yeah. Yeah, they kinda have my blister. Yes they are. Shit, yeah. Solid. Daniel: I love the animan. He's on my dynasty team as well. So my DBs are riddled all over this list. I have great DBs. All right. so let's see. Dealing with the Eneman, rookie, Chicago. His his skill set just lends to high scoring IDP. So I'm excited about that. Jonathan: I feel like I gotta do this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Daniel: I've got like we said, Kyle Hamilton, Derwin James at six. John, you have Imuniori at six. Jonathan: I do have human Yori at six. again, I I'm with you. I think he should be higher on my list, but I just had names that I stared at that I'm like, Yeah no, like these names have to be a little higher. So when when you're doing this with n you know, names, you're just you don't know what you're doing. I don't know. I I I come down to what I think, you know, tackles, interceptions, you're looking at the big points for I compare to our defensive leagues, Daniel: Mm. Jonathan: And how I think they're gonna be used in the scheme. I'm you know, I think he'll do well. I think he's gonna come out and be I don't even wanna throw out points because our points system's so different from someone else's league, but Yeah. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I was high on him. You got the medium at six. Mario actually has Nicominiori at twelve, which is surprising because I believe he's on Mario's fantasy team. For his dynasty. So Me Mario: He is. I hope he does better, but... Daniel: Some Mario Jonathan: So we went over my number five, my num my number six, Richard, your number six. Daniel: We're at Mario six. Mine was Durham Dream, so Mario's at number six. Me Mario: Buddha Baker. I think that. Jonathan: Like it Me Mario: The Arizona Cardinals killed last year's draft and really added to their defense in an incredible way and injuries kept that from showing. But with the whole year going through, what they learned and Daniel: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Me Mario: with what they added this year, think Buddha Baker is gonna finally be able to shine and earn his Pro Bowl nod. Jonathan: yeah. yeah. Daniel You have him at number seven as well as me. Yay. I like you thinking. I like you thinking. Yeah, I think he is gonna be a badass. I don't I don't think you're wrong. I'm with ya. Daniel: That's right. Hey. Me Mario: I think he's gonna be a badass. Daniel: Yeah. I think he's he's gonna be better this year 'cause that defensive line is gonna be better this year. Especially if Walter Nolan can stay healthy. He was a monster whenever he was on the field. and so if if he's able to take some pressure up on the line and Buda Baker's able to like roam free. watching I Me Mario: Exactly. Jonathan: Yeah. Yep. He becomes a bigger problem. Yeah. Daniel: He becomes a bigger problem because it his game is so funny. He comes in on touch so many times because he's so small, people just lose him. And they lose him behind the defensive line. And next thing you know, he just pops out and makes a tackle. And so if they've got more talented defensive linemen shielding him from coming in, it's gonna be pretty awesome. Me Mario: Yes. Jonathan: Yeah. You know, when you talk about him he deserves a drop of his own. It's that surprise, motherfucker from Dexter, you know. Daniel: Yeah. One hundred. Yeah, one hundred percent. Ooh, I like Mario's number seven. I love Mario's number seven. Jonathan: Yeah. I do like yours, yeah. Hey I I it's good though, but I don't have on my list. Daniel: Hmm. It's another me player. Me Mario: Xavier Watts he Jonathan: Hmm. Me Mario: he he Jonathan: Running out of spots to change. Me Mario: cashes chat he cashes checks his body can't handle but I love him Daniel: It was rookie year, cut a break. Jonathan: And speaking of cashing checks that your body can't handle, does everybody see the backflips on stage? Mm. Yeah. Yeah. Mm. Daniel: yeah. N ended up on his butt, scataboo. Me Mario: Yeah. Yeah. But that's because Daniel: Yeah. Me Mario: it was on a springboard and he's used to doing back flips on sturdy ground. Still, his knee came up on the injury report. Jonathan: Yeah, well. Yeah, sure, sure. Daniel: Yep. All right. Jonathan: A C T C T E doesn't exist. Yeah, of course. You know, you're doing a backflip and you shouldn't be. Wave at the crowd and say hello. I don't know. Move on. Hey, Daniel: Alright Mario. Let's go to your number eight. We all have a different one for eight. Jonathan: we do, but I love your number eight. You are the highest. You are the highest. Me Mario: Daniel, you. Jonathan: No, you okay. Yeah, Daniel: me? We're talking about you, Mario. Go for it. Me Mario: Okay Jonathan: we're talking Me Mario: Trayvon mo rig Coming up yeah, it's just improvement after improvement and He's another young shining star that More has been vacated so He's he's I think he's gonna make a huge impact for those touches Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Nice. Jonathan: Yeah. I have him on my list at twelve. Hey hey Daniel Daniel Me Mario: Same with Daniel. Jonathan: Hey no Daniel: Who gave you the Scantron too? Me Mario: Yeah Jonathan: Did this. I love that we did this these lists without looking at everybody's and it's it's nice to know. So so have you gone your your you talked about your number three? Daniel: Yeah. I have not talked about my number eight. I think my number eight is Julian Love. he's been top ten last few years. He's super solid. He's in a great environment. Yet another Seattle safety. That they are the linchpin of that defense. and so yep. Julian Love. Jonathan: Yeah. No, solid. Yeah. I think the underrated people are gonna Me Mario: Yeah. Jonathan: think they you know can't do it again and they'll they'll brush off. I th I think they're a good team. Daniel: Mm. Just Me Mario: Yeah, I think that. I the Carolina defense is underrated and MoRig is gonna eat off of that. Jonathan: No so Daniel: I agree. Jonathan: And you know, I think that that they're their quarterback's gonna take a step up and people aren't gonna expect it, you know? So Me Mario: Yeah. Daniel: Mm-hmm. They Me Mario: Now it depends on if J.C. Horne actually plays. And he becomes the lesser of the C.B.'s to throw towards, you know. Jonathan: Yeah, yeah. Daniel: Yeah. They did lose Ashawn Robinson on that defensive line. I just don't know how that's gonna affect the secondary, especially with JC Horn. Now Me Mario: Yeah, well, if they could get brown in there on that line, then it won't matter. Daniel: Mm. If he could yeah, he wasn't very mm-hmm. They got he's gotta get up to speed quick. But Yep. Alright, John, who you got at eight? Jonathan: Yeah. Well defensive taking hit. Me Mario: Yeah. Jonathan: so my mine was mentioned Cam cr it was Cam Corolla he previously mentioned from when Mario Adam it too, so But we'll swing to nine. Hey, Antoine Winfield Jr. deserves to be on all lists and I'm very high on I love this man. Yeah, I'd like to Yeah. So Daniel: Nice. Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Lead us off, John. Here we go. Woohoo. Mm hmm. Same. But he Me Mario: I love that man too. Daniel: but alas he did not make it on my list. Me Mario: He is also not on my list. Jonathan: Yeah. I think it's only yeah, I think I'm the only one that's kinda just showing love. Just showing love. But deservedly so. Daniel: He's he's a awesome player and you can't replace him on the defense. He's they just haven't been putting him in a position that he scores points since Tike Smith took over that spot. So it Me Mario: Yep. Daniel: When he's in that spot, he's better than Tykie Smith at that particular thing. So but he they use his skills somewhere else because Tykie Smith has good has decent enough skills. So that addition by subtraction is better for them. and I I've got Telanoa Hufunga at my number nine. Highest on him. Jonathan: I think they'll figure it out. Me Mario: Yes. Jonathan: It is Yeah. Mm, I like it kind of. Me Mario: If he can stay healthy, he meets this easy. Jonathan: he he was at my list on number fourteen. I just took that name off, so I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. No, he deserves to be on my list. Yeah, he deserves to be on a list when you start running out of Daniel: That's right. We're we're on islands. Yeah. That's funny. Our number knives Me Mario: there. Daniel: weren't the same player, but we also went on an island for it, both of ours. Me Mario: There's Jonathan: Yeah, absolutely. Me Mario: so many good ones right now that I think have the potential to be on the top 10 of any of these lists, but this was a really hard list to make. You guys have a couple more that are not on mine and vice versa. this was fun. Jonathan: yeah. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Mm. Yeah. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: I like this list. I was I was I was a little fearful of like I thought I'd struggle, but no. I think I've only had the one change, what I did at fourteen, so yeah. hey, so let's see. Nine, nine, Mario's nine was Kyle Hamilton. And then singing at ten Daniel: Yeah. Mario Me Mario: Yep. And then you have an original one at 10. Daniel: Hey. Jonathan: I am the alone original at ten. I was gonna you have Derman James and then Daniel had Cam Kroll, so Jeremy Chen, Jeremy Chen, man. This this is a very talented yeah, I I I I love this kid. And I don't know. I am a little high on him. He is he is on Daniel he is on Daniel's list at least. Hey, look at you. Just Daniel: Yep. Me Mario: Good. Daniel: He is on my on my list and my dynasty team. Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Hahaha Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: So what's that make it? Like five on this list? You're already rocking. Yeah, yeah. You draft well. You draft well. I'll say that. You draft well. yeah, no, I Jeremy Chen. Well what do you say? Like just everywhere, right? So Yeah. Yeah. Now wow, Mario, we finally share one. I'm liking you're eleven here. But Daniel: Yeah, yeah. Me Mario: man. Daniel: Everywhere. He's awesome. He is. Me Mario: He's right, Kent. Heck yeah, more rookie love, Caleb Downs. Daniel: See you lip downs, yep. Jonathan: Absolutely. This is my first rookie on my list, so Daniel: Still haven't met the rookie on mine. I've got Xavier Watts as they've got Downs. he's just gotta like Mario said, stay healthy. Me Mario: Yeah, and Caleb Downs, there's so much that Dallas needs after Parsons. And so if they're going to have a hybrid coming in, helping in certain areas to fill holes, what a position to fill it from. Yeah. I'm high on him. Daniel: They could mm. Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. Daniel: I I I wasn't sure how his fantasy production was going to be, though I still drafted him with a trap draft pick in our league and I do have him on my team. But after they did their voluntary workouts and they were saying that he was teaching the free agents the defense, it made me feel a lot better about that. Jonathan: Yeah, it does. Daniel: For product for production purposes Me Mario: He's Daniel: too. Me Mario: so smart, so smart. Jonathan: Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Daniel: He's teaching the veterans the defense. They're like, Yeah, he's already the guy in the room. Like he's he's already the leader on this defense. So yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing what he does. Me Mario: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Jonathan: And I'm liking that this year with social media we're seeing more inside of camps and stuff, videos of of of of players practicing together, things like that. I'm liking all the videos that we're getting, so Daniel: Mm. Me Mario: Yeah. Daniel: Yeah. I have him at thirteen. I have Watts and Moorg and Morig above him. Yep. Me Mario: That's not far down. Jonathan: No, yeah, it's not far from where we got so okay. we've spoken about twelve 'cause that was Mario's number eight was Trayvon Murig and we have me and Daniel both have at twelve. Daniel: Yeah. Me Mario: Yeah, I have. And then I've got Imanwari there who is at up higher for both you guys Jonathan: Yeah, yeah. Mario, why don't you take thirteen? Being that Daniel's got K Lo downs and I'll go bite after, yeah. Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. Me Mario: hell yeah. I got Travis Hunter of the Jaguars here at 13, easily at 13, because when Burger King said, where's the beef, he showed up. He showed up with the beef. And yeah, he already was athletic as all hell. Now he's faster. Jonathan: You're carrying high on. Mm-hmm. Me Mario: stronger and he's gonna be more on defense but he's also gonna have some scoring packages in there that none of the other DBs are gonna have on their plates and so easily he's gonna be here at 13 I think. I think this is low for him but it's just to kind of be like yeah remember that guy yeah here he is Daniel: Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Yeah, you play if you have if you play in IDP leagues and you know, you got a player that's possibly he's he's got both sides of the ball, he's gonna score, he's gonna get you points. I mean, even if it's just say, you know, a handful of tackles and maybe an interception versus like even some yards and catches if you're in a PPR league, put those points together. Put your hands together Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think people are kind of confused because they heard the staff there say that he was going to get more snaps on defense this year and everybody automatically thinks, well he's gonna get less on offense. They didn't say that. They just said he's going to have more snaps on defense this year. He's still gonna play like thirty percent of the offensive snaps. That's huge. Me Mario: Yep. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. No no. Me Mario: No. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. And they're just now giving him more of the defensive side of the wall, which Daniel: Exactly. Cause that's where they happen Me Mario: Yeah, because he's had more time to study. Yeah. That too. Daniel: to have more need right now, right? So, no, yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Yep. When you have a utility player, he plugs all holes, you put where you need So Me Mario: and they got rid of Devin Lloyd so they're gonna need I Jonathan: no, that's a good spot. That's a good spot. Me Mario: think he'd be better as a safety for them personally Daniel: He's got it. He's too I think he's good at corner because of his athleticism. I think he's too s he's too small to be an enforcer on safety. Like Buda Baker's a little guy, but he's also built like a tank, right? Travis Hunter's just not there yet. And so I would keep him at s at corner Me Mario: He's fantastic at corner. Jonathan: dude, he's really good. Yeah, he's handsy on the line. Me Mario: Yeah, but tra- Jonathan: No. No, but that takes teaching. Me Mario: to note. Yeah. Daniel: 'Cause it's easier Jonathan: Mm. Daniel: on his body 'cause you still need him for the offensive side than you need him at safety. Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. Why beat them up? Me Mario: Travis Hunter's a ball hawk. So he's got great hands and he's a ball hawk. So you'd have to have another strong safety out there and he'd be the free. But yeah. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Free runner, yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. Daniel: Yeah. I feel like I've made a mistake without putting him on here, but alas, this is where we are. Jonathan: Yeah, it's at the end of the list. We can say it's an honorable mention on my list and yours as well. but no, I I have Jalen Ramsey. Yeah. I got Jalen Ramsey and honestly the veteran slides down the list just 'cause of a little bit of age, but he's still a fearsome I I mean, like people thro they throw away from him. They they he's still he's still got he still got it in his tank. Yeah, he's still got it in his tank, yeah. Me Mario: Hmm. Daniel: Yeah. There's just a lot of risk. Me Mario: Alright, I got him at 15. Jonathan: I I I saw that and it made me feel better about my I I Me Mario: I think we're going to see the best of Jalen Ramsey this year. Daniel: yeah? Jonathan: I feel better that I I noticed that he was on your list when I had him on mine. So yeah. Daniel: Yeah. Me Mario: I from everything I'm hearing from Pittsburgh and the role he's taking and everything. I am super high on Jalen Ramsey. Jonathan: Mm. Yep. Yep. Yeah, really. All these old people in Pittsburgh Daniel: Yeah. Geriatric burg. Me Mario: No, no one older than my number 14 though Daniel: go for it. Read out your number fourteen. Jonathan: Yeah, take it away. Me Mario: Kevin Byard still doing it here in the top 15. Daniel: Nice. Jonathan: On your list. On your list. Me Mario: Yeah. Daniel: I've got Jeremy Chen at fourteen on mine. He's just awesome. Jonathan: Solid. Solid. This is where mine is Dylan Thieneman comes in, fourteen. Me Mario: And And I really like your number 15, Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: Thank you. Honestly, Jalen Petrie. I wanted to put him a little higher, but I like Venoman and I couldn't swap him with Ramsey either. So no, I I he's always out there. I don't know. I he was on my team. I had him on my team for a while. So I I just very talented. He always produced. He he puts up his numbers, but he does put up a a few weeks where Me Mario: Yeah. I did too. Jonathan: He he's out on the field but he's just not getting used in those weeks. So Me Mario: Yeah, he's an Uncle Rob favorite for sure. Jonathan: Those weeds can't hurt ya. Daniel: Yeah, he is. Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, he is. Okay. Me Mario: comes in strong. Daniel: this is where I have the animals, so I have the two rookies to round out the bottom basically. Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Alright, yeah, Jalen Ramsey-Rohan's out in line and now we go to the kickers. Jonathan: Kickers. Kickers are people too and they deserve our rankings. So I chuckle. I chuckle, yeah. Please. Please, please, please, please give me your Justin Tucker. Please give me your number one, Mario. You're the highest on him. You deserve to go. Daniel: Mm. Mario Mario's number one. Me Mario: They deserve a little love, not as much as Justin Tucker. Yeah. Daniel: I I understand all of the reasons why you picked him up and you're high on him, but number one Go ahead. Me Mario: Hahaha Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. One. Me Mario: Will Jonathan: Well. Me Mario: Reichard. Is it Reichard? Reichard? Daniel: I guess it depends on where he's from. Me Mario: as long as he doesn't shard on my team but uh yeah no he's he's been fantastic and so i think if the team does better offensively as they should uh then he'll move up and if he moves up this is just where i had him and i was like i i had to double read what my figures were several times but Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Yeah, well Me Mario: Yeah, he should be a clear number one this year if their offense does better. Daniel: And this is now the kicker four. Me Mario: This is... Isn't this Minnesota? Jonathan: Thought it was Minnesota. Yeah, he's Minnesota Sticker at the moment. Yeah. Daniel: Mm. Minnesota. Me Mario: Yeah, yeah, and so if Daniel: Just so that people know, 'cause he's not on my list either. Jonathan: No, I have him at twelve. He's in my list of twelve though. So Me Mario: Hahaha Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. Me Mario: No, he... He... Daniel: Is he? Jonathan: Yes. I have one on my list. I mean when a w when an offense is gonna struggle, you gotta go to the kicker. Me Mario: See you yeah so sorry guys but i think he was seven last year and so if the offense does better and get some better range next year i just seem to a better Daniel: All right. Hmm. Cool. Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I liked Daniel, I liked your number one. I liked your number one. Old. Old. I love cut. Daniel: yeah. Kayami Fairbjurn. Me Mario: Yeah, he's been phenomenal. Daniel: He is their offense. I think with the addition of David Montgomery, i it's gonna help. Me Mario: Yeah. I've... Jonathan: Yes. Me Mario: Yeah, think so too. I've got him at nine because I think that Stroud is going to be doing better this year and there will be more opportunities for touchdown and less for field goal. So I think that the mind of the coach is more for going in and Minnesota had more of a... whatchamacallit. Jonathan: Best offensive player on the team. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Six. Me Mario: history of going with the kicks. So yeah, I've got Fairborn down lower, but I think he's one of the best kickers out there. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: I do have him at six. I think they'll do well. Offense will struggle a little bit, but it still gives him more production. I got him as, you know, top six kicker, so. Brandon, I I g he give it to Brandon Aubrey. I mean, he does so well. Dallas Me Mario: I Tinkdale's back. Aubrey is phenomenal. Jonathan: yeah, yeah. I just Me Mario: What? He's my favorite kicker now. Yeah. Love that guy. I know, I got him at four. Jonathan: Interesting. Interesting. That's that's Daniel: Favorite? Jonathan: why I said interesting, yeah. Interesting. Me Mario: He's, hey, this is fantasy football points that I'm looking at here. And I make sure I pick up Aubrey in every league I can. I always pick him up early, but I have him at four this year. Jonathan: Yeah. Daniel: Yeah. This is true. Jonathan: This is true. Yeah. Hey. I I mean yeah, I for it's a good spot for him, so well, it's all it for. Best kicker he loves. Yeah. Cameron Dicker. Yeah. No, I'm again high on the Chargers and I think Dickers gonna have a great year. I really take into account I look at field goal percentage, I'm looking at your Daniel: High floor. Mm-hmm. Me Mario: Yeah Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: expo you you your your your extra point percentage, you know. I I I try to put in a lot to it. And then, you know, I think of your range. What's your what's your longest range? So no, I like I like Vicker. I I I struggled 'cause I I had Myers here, but Me Mario: Yeah. Definitely. No, I- Jonathan: You gotta Daniel: I got yeah. Jonathan: put Brandon Aubrey at one. So it kinda like I had Dicker I had Dicker at one. And I'm like, Wait, no, Aubrey Aubrey Yeah, I gotta wait a minute. Daniel: With the improvements that they've made in the offense this offseason, you know, and and Mike McDaniels, I'm like I in incoming Cameron Dicker season for sure. I have him at three. I totally I totally agree. He's gonna be awesome. Jonathan: Yeah, that's what really is. Mm. Me Mario: I've I've got him at six and I think he's going to be doing a whole lot of extra points over full on field goals. But we'll see. Daniel: Yeah. I don't know. I think it's yeah, we'll have to see. my number two is Ban Brandon Aubrey. Aforementioned. Stud. Mario, surprising number two. Not Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Nice. Me Mario: Cam little. Jonathan: Continue just kick kick kicking those surprises, right? I don't know. What are you gonna say? Me Mario: Cam Little for the distance and for the improvement to the overall team. Daniel: Hmm. Jonathan: Finally wait a minute. Finally a kicker we all have on our list. Well done, well done, well done. Daniel: Mm-hmm. True. Me Mario: at number two at number two yet never to i have i have that there'll be a couple games out there where he's gonna win it for you on fantasy because just the distance he can claim and with our little bonuses that's gonna help so yeah Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah, there we go. Mm. Daniel: Yeah. He'll put a seventy yarder in. Yeah. Yeah. Jonathan: I was the lowest. I was the lowest. I should have yeah, I didn't attribute I didn't think of as much distance to be honest, but I should have. yeah. That would move up my chart a little bit, so Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Nice. Mario continue the number three. Me Mario: Eddie Pinheiro Jonathan: now I like this. This is a good pick. This I I will Me Mario: Yeah, so. Daniel: Yeah. I've got him at six. We're all we're all grouped pretty well here. I've got him at six. John's got him at five. Yeah. Nice. I add Cameron Dicker at three. John. Me Mario: Wow. Jonathan: I'm five. Yeah, I got him at five on this one. So we're all very close on this one. So that was a good one. let's see, JMR. Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Jason Myers. again a node to just Seattle. They're a good offense and getting their kicker either a lot of extra points, which they had, and he's got a very high field goal percentage when he makes them. It's like ninety two point six, I think so. Me Mario: Yeah, I've got him at five. I agree. I think the offense won't be quite as on fire as it was last year. And I think they're going to lean on him a little more. And so I see him up here. Yeah. Jonathan: I that's what I figured. I figured it would be a little more into the kicker when, you know, the offense can't get that over the oomph. I didn't see him making use as well this year. So yeah. I got I am the lone number four here, so I'll take Nevis Harrison. Again, looking at just Me Mario: Yeah, I'm with you on that. Daniel: Very nice. So Ego, yeah. Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Harrison Mavis? Is it Mavis Harrison? Did I do did I dyslexic that? Jonathan: Did we did we flop that? our neighbors there? Daniel: Mavis Harrison, Los Angeles Rams kicker. Jonathan: Yeah, that's what I figured. I figured it's an o i You're good. You're good. Okay, so it did get flop. Daniel: I'm sorry, it's it's actually Harrison Mavis. Yeah. Harrison Mavis. Jonathan: here we go. And so Rams offense is gonna kill it. This kicker's gonna have a million extra points, and that alone is just gonna put up. But yeah, no. When that offense just can't do it, your kicker's gonna get it. And I mean, just you're talking just it it's like the running back that gets, you know. two hundred plus touches, right? Y you're looking at consistency of getting you're getting down the field. This offense will get down the field, so the kicker will always get a chance at either an extra point or a field goal. When you look at those those kind of teams that they're they're getting the opportunity. So Daniel: Mm. Yep. the majority of all of these kickers are y on good offenses, y you know. With the exception of my number one. But nice. I have Cam Little and Mario has at number four, his his favorite. All right. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Me Mario: Yes. Jonathan: But I His favorite, yeah. Me Mario: Brain Aubrey. So dependable. Jonathan: I like it. so five is where you've got Jason Myers. Daniel, I really like your number five. Daniel: Yeah. I'm I'm we've got him up here again. Just an improvement on the offense, you know. Ka Kairo Santos. He's just Jonathan: Wanted wanted to slide a little higher in my list, yeah. Daniel: The Bears are gonna be an awesome offense this year and I think he's gonna benefit from it. Jonathan: Yeah. Again, these high powered offenses that can get down the field, lots of extra points and when they don't, it's a field goal. So and if your league if your league is smart, they're, you know, adding extra points for that range when they get out to the forty, to the fifty yarders, the sixty yarders, they deserve more points, right? So Hey, I like it, Mario. That's a good addition. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Yep. Yeah. Me Mario: Hahaha! Jonathan: Love it. I'm loving the names. I love it. Okay, so this Daniel: All right. And then you've got Jonathan: is where I've got Pinero at five and then six is my Kaimi Fairbairn. So I'm loving I'm loving we're all really close in our kickers here, so Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Yep. My my six is Eddie Panero else as well and Mario's is Dicker Nice Me Mario: Dicker, Dicker the Kicker. Jonathan: Yeah picker the kicker. Me Mario: And then I'm the highest on well on Chris Boswell, who was always called Pittsburgh's secret weapon because he's just one of the most consistent kickers in football history. So, yeah, I've got him here. Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. Not by much. But yeah. Daniel: Nice. I neglected to put him on my team or on my list, apparently. this is where Jonathan: I got kinda high for the thought that Rogers may stumble a little bit and the kicker's gonna step up and have to take a little min, so Yeah. But you know. Daniel: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Me Mario: He might have to work on his range a little bit. Daniel: Little bit, yeah. Without pulling his hammy. sevens where I have Jason Myers and John. You're the highest at this guy. Yep. Me Mario: That's right. Jonathan: Jake Bates. Yeah. I mean, you know, again, talking about another high high power offense. Love me some lions. So what c what what do I need to say? I mean, it's the Lions. I mean I'm on Raw. They they've got Gibbs. They I mean Goff's gonna do his do his job. The kicker's gonna get downfield, so Daniel: Yep. Me Mario: Yeah. Daniel: Yep. Nice. Jonathan: Yeah. Seven Myers, you do so me here Harrison Becker. It it again, Mahomes will have a good season. He doesn't need good receivers. Just throw the guy from the grocery store down the street and tell him to run a Y route. And Mahomes is gonna hit him while he's rolling off to the left or to the right, right? So Me Mario: Yeah. Thank I honestly didn't know where to put any of the Chiefs this year, so I didn't have him on there and that's simply for I just don't know how to rank him. Daniel: Agreed. Jonathan: No, it's it's tough because you don't know what the receivers will be, but Mahomes does Mahomes, so like he is usually still high up. So the man will carry that team until he gets too old to do so and then we start saying, Well, all right. Next up Me Mario: Yeah. Yeah, you're not wrong. Daniel: I don't I wanna see how Mahomes' knee is doing before I start rinking any Chiefs. I mean they're saying he's doing good, but if no if Mahomes doesn't have his knee, can he do the Mahomes things? 'Cause his legs are with this escape ability. Jonathan: Well, I mean he's within the range of Mahomes. I didn't have him super high. if I like go back into our quarterback day, I don't remember having him incredibly high, but he was on my list. Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: Yeah, seventeen. So and it was paired to you at seventeen. So I'm not shit, we all had him at seventeen. So yeah, look We're pretty even with that. So like I he he's gonna have a good season. We're all Daniel: Mm. Yeah. QB two. Yeah. Jonathan: He will be that offense. Yeah. He is he Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: is that offense. So essentially that's what carries him. So I I like yours though. I feel bad. I feel bad because I'm realizing I don't I he should probably take the number twelve spot. I I just Daniel: Nice. I've got that this is my island. no, Mario's got Yeah. I have Tyler Loop, Baltimore's kicker. I really like who they brought in for offensive coordinator. I think that they're gonna have a really good season. It is a first time play caller, it might take him time to get moving. But Sean Payton disciple that just spent the last year with Ben Johnson and I I'm hearing a lot of good things out of Baltimore, so Me Mario: Yeah Jonathan: But I do like your Yeah. Me Mario: Yeah. Jonathan: Loop actually has a really high si success rate. he has a very low r miss rate. So I really liked him. I feel like I'm I did a dissatisfaction by not having him on my list. But Daniel: Mm-hmm. Me Mario: Yeah. I had to have him there somewhere on my list, so he's at 15 because... Jonathan: See, I I went with the the teams that struggle, their kickers get to, you know, mend those worries, right? It's always the the nine point games, three kicks, boom, boom, boom. Me Mario: Yeah, I think Baltimore is going to be incredibly inconsistent this year, but I think they're going to end well. And I think when things are struggling, you'll rely on your kicker. So he should end up better than this, but I have him at 15 at least. think eight's a really hopeful and not impossible spot for that. Jonathan: You lean on Derek. Yeah. Yeah. No. Speaking of eight, I like your eight. Me Mario: Yeah, Andre Borigales. And that is the kicker of New England Patriots who are going to have a much, much more difficult schedule this year. And yeah, I think they're still a good team. They're a solid team. And Jonathan: No I again, Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: really good kicker. I feel bad that he wasn't on my list. I'd you know, w when you what do you do when you only got so many spots, right? You're like, I gotta put some names here. So yeah, you're trying not to disrespect, but so bam, bam. Nine, you had this is nine was your Kime fair baron, but nine, Daniel. Me Mario: guys Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. Me Mario: I know. Daniel: That's right. Me Mario: Mm-hmm Daniel: I have Evan McPherson, you know. I I think this is a borough year. It's every other year for him. He's so think think they're gonna be awesome. Jonathan: Love the Yeah. Me Mario: you're not wrong. Jonathan: Yeah. I I have him at fourteen, so he's on my list. I like it. Kyrie Santos was at my number nine. Cam Cam Little was my ten. We s we mentioned him. We mentioned Chris Boswell at eleven, so Yeah, you got I like these your ten. Yeah. Me Mario: Mm-hmm. I got him at 11. Daniel: Nice. Jake Bates. Yeah, you got him at seven. And little Jonathan: Yeah. A little high on it, a little high. Me Mario: Yeah, and then I got the rookie. I got a rookie coming in at number 10. Dominic Zavada. Jonathan: Hey, there's two there's two rookies. Yeah, I love it. I love it. I love it. I got a rookie team. Me Mario: and Zavada's kicking for New York Giants who are looking to not miss out on those big big sweeps when they have a lead anymore. So I think he's gonna be put to work again this coming year and I like what I've seen so far. Daniel: Giants. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Nice. Jonathan: Like it. Like it. eleven was Daniel: At eleven you've got Kairo Santos. And then I've got Harrison Mavis at eleven and John said he's got Bat Ba Boswell. Me Mario: Mm-hmm Yeah. Jonathan: Mm. Mm. Twelve was my card. Yeah. You know, I'm gonna leave it. I'm not gonna I wasn't gonna delete his name. Not gonna delete his name from my list. Yeah, I'll leave it right there. Tyler Loop does deserve to be on the list, but no, yeah. I think Minnesota will struggle. I think the the offense will get just enough downfield and Keker will take over, so Daniel: And then at twelve, John? Will Ricard. Yeah. Yeah. Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: High points for those far kicks, you know, they in our in our league that matters more than a couple short ones, so love your twelve though. Love your twelve. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's one of the technically different. Daniel: Nice. Yep. Heck yeah. Me Mario: Yep. Yes. Daniel: Yeah. Chase McLaughlin, Tampa Bay kicker, that we should be much improved as an offense with the play caller change. And you know, he's got a high ceiling and a low floor, hence twelve. Jonathan: Yeah. I haven't been thirteen. Yeah. Me Mario: And did you guys see the receipt list of all the injuries Baker faced from week two on? And so I think Baker's going to get that end zone a whole lot more, or at least close to it. And Tampa doesn't like walking away without points, so that's a good one. Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: Yes, I did. yeah. Yeah, I like that. My number thirteen, so I'm with ya. twelve was your Mavis. Yeah, twelve was your Hayes Harrison Mavis pick. but you sit on island at number thirteen. Daniel: Nice. Harrison Mavis. Me Mario: Daniel Carlson. Just showing how I think that team's gonna come into the season much improved. Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Daniel: Much improved, Vegas. Yeah. Me Mario: Stand up business here Jonathan: that's a good point. Me Mario: Las Vegas come on Daniel: That's so funny. Thirteen is where I have New England kicker Andy Boregales. John, you mentioned you've got Chase McLaughlin. And at thirteen you have or fourteen you got. Nice. Jonathan: That's a very good point. I like that. Nice. Evan McPherson. We paired him with year number nine. Yeah. No, it was a good spot. I think like you, it is a bo is it's a borough year, so high power offense. High power offense. At least with, you know, two receivers and a running back. Daniel: Mm. Me Mario: Yeah. I'd have him just after this 15. Maybe 16 or 17 there. I got Chase McLaughlin next for Tampa and Tyler Loop ended my 15 there. Daniel, you got a couple. Daniel: Nice. Jonathan: Nice. Daniel: I do. a couple island guys apparently. I've got Will Lutz and Jake Elliott. And I think that Denver is is gonna be a decent offense as long as Bo Nicks's leg is okay, and I think that the Eagles are gonna be a much improved offense also. Me Mario: Dude that could be a sleeper right there. The Eagles with a changed offense are gonna either really sore or they're gonna tank. And so that could be a solid sleeper. Jonathan: Mm. Yeah, that's a good pick. my fifteen was Trey Smack. Rookie went to Green Bay, had an eighty-two point eight career in college. He was a Florida Gator. Love me some Florida Gators. And I you know, Green Bay's a good offense. They're gonna get downfield and I think Keker will take over. So all right. Let's jump into Yeah, there you go. Me Mario: Nice. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Me Mario: Very nice. I'm expecting more out of love this year, I like it. Jonathan: There go. team defense. we will give some love to the team defense spot. We know that some fantasy rosters still rock so well we're here to help. Daniel: Yeah. Here we go. Lead us off, John. Jonathan: well with the Rams, if Aaron Donald comes in, I have the Rams at number one. now I will say if Aaron Donald does not show, they will drop to my number three spot. But so it's not a far tumble. But yeah, that's too it's too strong of a defense just brush off. They're building something scary there. So Daniel: That they are. Me Mario: Yeah, I put the rams to number one as well. just think even without Aaron Donalds, they put intelligent things there. So I think we're all good. Jonathan: Yeah. yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Daniel: Mm. Jonathan: Yeah. Daniel. Daniel: I do not have the Rams at number one. I do have the Texans at number one because that team's already proven it and not much has changed. and so but that that just gave them tiny edge because I do have the Rams at two because I'm high on them too. Jonathan: Mm-hmm. Me Mario: Yeah. Jonathan: No. They sit at my number two. Yeah. That's a really good defense. Me Mario: Yep. Yeah, Houston's incredible. Jonathan: They get we flip flop. Yeah. I think we all just Me Mario: That's why we both have them at number two, right John? Daniel: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Yeah, no, I think that I mean like one and two can flip flop here. They're really good deep defenses are just phenomenal. So I I think Texans may get a little more time on the field with their defense than the offense, but that's just me. but I'm loving we have a paired number three here, Daniel. the Denver Broncos. Yeah. That's a good defense. That's a very good defense. Daniel: Yeah. Yeah. More sacks. We do. Nice Broncos. Mario. Me Mario: Yeah, I got Kansas City up here. I think with what they did in the offseason with their DBs and whatnot, think they're going to surprise people this year and have an awesome defense, which sucks. I wasn't happy to put them up here. Daniel: Hm. Yeah. Jonathan: Definitely a a surprise. I do not have them listed on my top fifteen. So yeah. Daniel: Mm same. Me Mario: Yeah, they're gonna be freaking scary this year again, so... Yeah. I'm not looking forward to it. I was hoping they would suck. Jonathan: Eleven. And you got at eleven. Daniel: I do. Nice. Jonathan: Yeah, good mention, so Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: So we have the unanimous number four with the Seattle Sea Chickens. Yeah, no, again a defense they did really well and did not change much. So Me Mario: you Daniel: Yep. Nice. you and Mario both have the same number five. Me Mario: Yeah. Jonathan: I like it. That was a good Yeah. yeah, yeah, brain for us, yeah. Me Mario: Flores. As Daniel: Flores. Yeah. Me Mario: long as those rookies from two years ago develop, I think it's going to be pretty incredible there. Daniel: Yep. Don't disagree. Jonathan: They're gonna have a good defense, I think. Yeah, I'm with the Vikings here, so you get Me Mario: But, Grenard's gone, but still, I see a lot of good things there. Jonathan: You highest on the Green Bay Packers, I see. Daniel: I am. I do think that they have a lot of talent there and I think that they've got a really good defensive coordinator in Jonathan Gannon. So I don't see a reason why they should be not a top defense in the year in the league this year. Jonathan: No. Me Mario: Yeah. Jonathan: No, I'm definitely excited to see what they do. I have them at thirteen, so they are on my list. Me Mario: Yay. Daniel: Yeah. Me Mario: I have them at top 10 and then I think next year they will be top 5 with Micah Parsons back. But I think this year he's going to struggle with not being as fast coming off injury, they're going to use him back. I highly believe in Gannon. I think he's incredible. Jonathan: Mm. Daniel: Yeah. Jonathan: Nice. Eagles, number six. Thank you for the highlight. And it's paired amongst all of us. Look at that. We are unanimous again. interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, Patriots, I am liking what they're doing there. You know, head coach for the defensive player. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Nice. Well, I like your seven here. Me Mario: And if Gonzalez is healthy this year, I think that would really be a make or break. I think, overall they were an underrated defense last year. Jonathan: Young squ absolutely underrated and a young young squad. So I like what they're doing. Me Mario: Yeah. Daniel: Yep, agreed. I've got them at nine, but I've got the Vikings here at seven, who you guys have already mentioned. And then Mario. Kinda low on this one. Jonathan: Yeah. Me Mario: Yeah, I've got the Broncos way down at seven right now. there's, I think they still need to add a little bit more to linebacker that people are going to get away with a little more in the middle. Cause yeah, if Hefunga has a history of health issues and then, Jonathan: All right. I was gonna say explain yourself. So Me Mario: What's his name went back to the 49ers. Green, what's his name? Daniel: Mm-hmm. Ugh, he r tore his he tore his Achilles in the Super Bowl. Me Mario: Great story. Yeah, so he's back in 49ers. So I see a hole in the middle of the field. And so I see that being exploited, especially within the division. So I see those six games as knocking their defense down. But I think the defense is going to eat when it comes to most other teams. But I think the three teams within the division are going to. Jonathan: So he he's benefit for anyway as well. I Me Mario: dying on that defense and the problems at center around the middle. Daniel: Mm. Jonathan: The defen that that Daniel: Nice. Jonathan: division is taking a step forward, isn't it? So Yeah. Okay. eight. Yeah, you have an interesting eight. Daniel: Mm. Me Mario: Mm-hmm. I do, I have the bronze really high here. And I like what they're doing, I like Schwestinger, I like the trades that they made. And I think they've got better leadership in that defense, and I think they have a lot of talent. Jonathan: Well, I mean very verse. why we gotta say that we should not be allowed to say that name. I'm sure Daniel doesn't want to hear that name either, so like at all. I'm just saying. Me Mario: that was looking for that leadership and I think it's gonna blossom and they're gonna do really well. Jonathan: Yeah. I liked the video that Jared Verse was already there as a leader showing everyone what to do. So I like that. That's a good pick. Yeah. Not even a hey, let's talk about this, just showing up wearing it. They're both wearing the numbers. Me Mario: Yeah. Daniel: Stealing Dylan Gabriel's number. Me Mario: Yeah, I know. I know. Daniel: I love what the some of the commentators were like, dude, you're a third round pick. You'll be lucky to be on the team. Be quiet. Yeah, you know, you might get a lunch or a dollar, you know. You're not even a thought in his mind. Yeah. Jonathan: Right. You're not even a well, it it'd be like if you was a starter. Yeah, it'd be like if you were the starting quarterback then it's okay, like you should have should have talked to you, but like you're not even the starter. Hand over the jersey. Daniel: Yeah. Me Mario: damn Aaron Glenn didn't get a steal all year last year and he shows up and does it in the training camp? Jonathan: Daniel, you are highest on your number eight. Yeah. Me Mario: Characters, you go. Daniel: Yeah. Jaguars. I know they lost Devin Lloyd, but their defensive coordinator's been pretty good and Devin Lloyd mm is kind of a role player, so we'll see we'll see how they go. but Jonathan: Yeah, yeah. I have them at ten. So a little lower than you, but I agree with you. Yeah. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Me Mario: I have them too low, down at 15. I think Travis Hunter is going to make a big difference. I think he's an incredible ballhawk. And so I know Devin Lloyd was doing a lot of that. Jonathan: Higher than you. I'm I'm I'm a little shocked. Me higher than you on the Jaguars here, Mario, with your Me Mario: Well, you do remember they were my old team, so I got a little stank over there. Jonathan: No, I I I get it, I get it. so Daniel: Yeah. There's some hate in that choicing. Jonathan: my number eight was the Steelers. I'm liking what they're doing, building that steel curtain again, so Daniel: Nice. You guys both have the n same number nine. Jonathan: Well We do the Baltimore Ravens. Me Mario: Baltimore Gravins. I think they're going to improve this year. Jonathan: I mean Kyle Hamilton. Kyle Hamilton. What do gotta tell I like? Daniel: Yeah, I think they're gonna use some of their players like they should be used. It's awesome. This is where I have the Patriots at nine. And John, no your number ten is aforementioned. It's the Jaguars. And Mar yeah, Mario. this is where you have the Packers. Me Mario: Yeah. Jonathan: Agreed. Jaguars, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love your number ten though. Yeah. Me Mario: Mm-hmm. yep yeah top ten defense Daniel: Nice. and this is where I have the chargers at ten. Me Mario: And Jonathan: Yeah. Me Mario: I think I'm too low on them, I'm happy with after I heard who Harbaugh brought up and everything and what the story was there. I think I should be much higher on their defense. Jonathan: Yeah. eleven for me, so I'm not not far behind ya. Well Daniel: I I yeah. Mm-hmm. I think that a an improved offense can do a lot for a defense as well. So this is where I have the Chiefs, regrettably. that's all we have to say about that. Mario's interesting. Me Mario: Yep. Jonathan: Yeah. Hey. Me Mario: Yeah, I'm the highest on the bucks at 11. John's not far behind. Jonathan: Why is it interesting? I'm not the high, yeah. Number twelve. It's not so interesting. Daniel: No, you're not. I guess mine's the the extra extra. They're not even on my list. Jonathan: You're the outlier. Yeah. Outlier. Me Mario: The problem with our secondary last year was health. And there's so much speed and talent in that secondary. With Anzaloni in there, that adds a whole other element to the line backing. If the rookie can get up to speed too. And then that line to have a real pass rush threat. Little crazy ass T-Rex on that end there. Jonathan: Yeah. Angry T Rex. Angry T Rex. Yeah. Yep. No, I'm right behind ya. One pick. So Daniel, I'm thoroughly disappointed. I gotta Me Mario: Eat buddy eat. I'm so happy for that. So happy. Yeah, I'm stoked. Daniel: Yeah, I just I just I just think that Bowl's scheme is a little old and dusty, you know. I feel like they're t the Jonathan: He does need to fix something or he's gonna be I think, yeah. He's starting to run. Daniel: The talent is there. Healthy or not, because we've got depth too. It's they're just we're just getting out schemed. And so I bitterly left them off my list because of that. And because I wanted him and Jonathan Gannon to meld mines to create a super defense, which would have been really awesome, but that didn't happen. so 12 let's see, yeah. 12 is where I have the lions defense. Me Mario: Yeah, we do now. Jonathan: Yeah. Me Mario: I know. Jonathan: Yeah. Good pick, good pick. I have them at fifteen, so nice. Daniel: Mario. Me Mario: I have the Steelers here. Jonathan: Yeah, okay. All right. And then you're thirteen higher on the yeah, look at those Raiders. Daniel: Wow. Extra, extra. Me Mario: Yeah, I got the Raiders here. That's probably where the Chargers should actually be. But, yeah, here, I'll do that right now, actually. Jonathan: Mm. Daniel: Mm. Jonathan: Yeah, I would agree. Yeah, I would agree. Ha ha. Daniel: Mm-hmm. Me Mario: Yep. Jonathan: sorry, not sorry, Martin. Daniel: Maybe next year for the Chargers. Hm. Jonathan: Yeah. Me Mario: it's it's only gonna sting because it's replaced by the charges Daniel: Yeah, that's gonna be sting a little extra. This is where I have the ravens at thirteen. Jonathan: Yeah. big time. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we got big. Packers. See this is I have the Packers, Bears and Lions. I fall right through the division here. Yeah. I wanted to order at Lions, Packers, Bears, but I just Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't I couldn't. I liked what I liked what the other teams were doing better, so Daniel: Yeah. Me Mario: Yes. Daniel: Yeah, nice. Could you couldn't. Yeah, you got the the Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Daniel: Yeah. I've got the the Niners and Bears to to finish off mine. Me Mario: and I've got the bears and the jags. Daniel: Nice. Jonathan: Very nice. Very nice. All right. Well, at an hour and thirteen minutes, thank you for joining us. We love all of our true mortals that are still listening. write into the show, ffwc two three at gmail dot com. check out all of our socials. They're all out there. And then what's next? I don't even know what's next week. My goodness guys. Daniel: Training camp news. Me Mario: Mm-hmm. Jonathan: Yeah, training camp news. Daniel: Maybe some training camp news. Yeah. Jonathan: with a fun game or something. We need some fluff. so tune in next time. please, if you're still listening, rate, review, like, share, comment. we need all the help we can to expand this lovely podcast. So we may even read them on the show. Me Mario: Maybe we do water bets. Jonathan: yeah, we need some water bits. We already have one. We need more. We need more. Yeah. Me Mario: we go through and say what our camp bets are before the news has come out. Jonathan: Ooh, I like that. I like that. Ooh, I like that. Okay, okay, okay. I'll have to figure out something. I need some fun fix. Okay. Okay. Daniel: Oof. Hmm. Yeah. Me Mario: Five bold takes each and whoever has the most hits. gets to decide what happens to one with the least for water beds. Daniel: Least mm. Jonathan: I man, this is gonna hurt. This is gonna hurt. I already feel like I'm gonna be the least. Ooh man, okay. Daniel: Do we do it like guillotine where you Me Mario: you Daniel: just try not to be last and and then the other two get your waterbed on? Jonathan: Don't be don't be the end. Yeah. Me Mario: Yes. Jonathan: and I'm a beat up by the goo tiers, brothers. This could be fun. Okay. Alright. Well this would be fun. Some some bold takes. I need to come up some bold takes. Awesome. tune in next time. We have some bold takes. and as always. Yeah, yeah. Me Mario: Hahaha Daniel: Okay. Stay vigilant, mortals. Me Mario: Cha-cha. Jonathan: Yeah. Yeah. Me Mario: Mm-hmm.