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2123 - Pop and Bravo with Kate Casey · Pink Shade: Reality TV with Mary Payne

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody. Welcome to Pink Shade. It is Thursday. That
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  Speaker 1: means we are going to talk about pop culture and Bravo.
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  Speaker 1: And I have an expert here to discuss. But first,
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  Speaker 1: I need to make an announcement. You guys, if you're
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  Speaker 1: on Pink Shade Prime, $ 10 and up, that's a month,
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  Speaker 1: not a week or a day. It's $ 10 a month.
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  Speaker 1: It's really nothing. If you're on that level on Pink
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  Speaker 1: Shade Prime tonight, we will have Pink Shade Live, which
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  Speaker 1: we do every Thursday night. Me, Keisha, Kimberly, we talk
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  Speaker 1: about things going on in pop culture news. And a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times Keisha and Kimberly will try to explain
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  Speaker 1: things to me like Mama June or Thousand Pound Sisters
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  Speaker 1: shows that even though I get in the gutter, I
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  Speaker 1: don't go quite that low. So they try to explain
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  Speaker 1: those shows to me. So that's always a good time.
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  Speaker 1: Last week when we did it, excuse me, last month
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  Speaker 1: when we did it, we all showed our feet to
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  Speaker 1: decide if we should try to go on only feet.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, dear God.
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  Speaker 1: None of us have made a dollar. You guys, my
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  Speaker 1: guest today is the amazing Kate Casey celebrating her 10
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  Speaker 1: years in podcasting.
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  Speaker 2: 10 years. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Where's the time gone?
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  Speaker 1: If you would have had a party like Heather, I
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  Speaker 1: would have come.
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  Speaker 3: I did think about like, maybe I should have popped
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  Speaker 3: some champagne or something.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't do one thing. I know.
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  Speaker 1: I would have flown my ass right out there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: sure would. There's an opportunity that I might be going
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  Speaker 1: to LA in a few weeks. And the person with
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  Speaker 1: this event was like, well, we don't really pay for
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  Speaker 1: people to fly, blah, blah, blah. I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think you know me. I'm not in that stratosphere
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  Speaker 1: where somebody would pay me to come. Like, I'll pay
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  Speaker 1: my own expenses. I just want to come kind of
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  Speaker 1: a thing. And I was like, I've flown further for less. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I'll do anything. Please just put me on a list
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  Speaker 1: to be invited to something. It's all I want. I
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  Speaker 1: just want to be invited.
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  Speaker 2: The TLC sphere?
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  Speaker 1: It is not TLC, but it's in that sphere.
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  Speaker 2: In that sphere, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not something that you would want to go to.
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  Speaker 1: Don't worry.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I did go to the one years ago, the
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  Speaker 3: 90 Day Fiancé, when Paul from 90 Day Fiancé was
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  Speaker 3: wearing the mosquito vest. And then he told me some
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  Speaker 3: crazy stuff about his marriage and And then I talked
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  Speaker 3: about a little bit on my show. And then I
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  Speaker 3: got a call from TLC that he had called and complained.
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  Speaker 3: And that was one of several experiences in my first
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  Speaker 3: couple of years where I would meet a reality star
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  Speaker 3: and they would tell me things. And then I'd say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I ran into so-and-so. And then they would complain about me. Like,
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  Speaker 3: do you remember Thomas Ravenel had.
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  Speaker 2: A crazy girlfriend?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. She.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, she called me and I had like an hour conversation.
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  Speaker 3: I was giving her life advice.
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  Speaker 1: I remember that.
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  Speaker 2: And then the next day I recorded it.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, well, I talked to Ashley. She said
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  Speaker 3: that they broke up. And then Dave Quinn wrote about
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  Speaker 3: it for people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And then I got a call from Bravo and they said,
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  Speaker 3: you know, she's complained that, you know, you told secrets.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, why are you calling a podcaster and talking
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  Speaker 3: to her for an hour and telling her all this
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  Speaker 3: stuff if you didn't want it to get out? So then,
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  Speaker 3: as you know, I just stopped talking to reality stars
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  Speaker 3: about their stuff. I'm like, there are very few that
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  Speaker 3: I will ever speak to because I just, I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: don't give me info that you want dropped and then
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  Speaker 3: act like you didn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like that.
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  Speaker 1: I completely agree. And I have some TLC cast that
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  Speaker 1: I am friendly with that I do text with sometimes
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  Speaker 1: to try to get some scoop. But if they say,
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  Speaker 1: don't say it, then I don't say it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because I'm not a monster, but if they don't.
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  Speaker 3: Let me be clear that the people that I got in,
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  Speaker 3: you know, phone calls about, they never said.
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  Speaker 2: Don't say it. And I was like, why would you
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  Speaker 2: call me?
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  Speaker 3: And like, oh, she, she seems like a lady that
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  Speaker 3: is like a quasi therapist.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I could talk.
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  Speaker 3: And I got mad too because I'm like, that was
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  Speaker 3: an hour of my time that you wasted. I could
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  Speaker 3: have been with my kids or something and you monopolized
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  Speaker 3: my time and then twisted it and made it seem
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  Speaker 3: like I was taking advantage of you.
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  Speaker 2: Like, give me a break.
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  Speaker 1: Do your kids go from age 17 to six?
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  Speaker 2: Eight to 17.
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  Speaker 1: Eight.
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  Speaker 2: So high school senior to second grade.
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  Speaker 1: You and I have been friends for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Because when you had that fourth baby.
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  Speaker 3: She was a year, the fourth one I had just
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  Speaker 3: a year in, you know, my podcast began a year
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  Speaker 3: and a day after, you know, the fourth one was born.
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  Speaker 1: The podcast began a year and a day after the
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  Speaker 1: fourth one was born?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Sutton was born September of 2015. And then my
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  Speaker 3: podcast launched September 18th, 2016.
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  Speaker 1: I feel that's not right.
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  Speaker 2: No, it is right. Obviously you would know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like when you did the reveal for
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  Speaker 1: the fifth baby.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: That was two years into my podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. All right.
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  Speaker 2: So, okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. You had the fifth baby when
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  Speaker 1: you did the tennis ball and it exploded.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. I started crying.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And how old was Jack at that time?
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  Speaker 2: I think he was like four.
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  Speaker 1: He was four when you had.
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  Speaker 2: Four or five, maybe five. He was five.
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  Speaker 1: Because I was telling that story to my friend that's here, Emily,
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  Speaker 1: who is like my best friend from college. And we
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  Speaker 1: were in a store yesterday walking around and there's so
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  Speaker 1: much stuff that says like bride or Mr. And Mrs.
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  Speaker 1: And we were like, God, aren't we glad we didn't
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  Speaker 1: have weddings during the time of this stuff? Or she
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  Speaker 1: was like even better to have kids during the time
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  Speaker 1: when you have to do like a gift box to
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  Speaker 1: ask somebody to be a bridesmaid. And then plan these
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  Speaker 1: elaborate trips.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad I missed that window, too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But I didn't have bridesmaids at my wedding in Hawaii.
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  Speaker 3: But I had bridesmaids the first wedding, though.
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  Speaker 2: Well.
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  Speaker 3: And I made them wear Ann Taylor sheath dresses that
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  Speaker 3: were wool and red because I wanted red bridesmaids dresses.
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  Speaker 2: The wedding was in June. Dumbass I was.
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  Speaker 1: I recently on this show, maybe on Prime, talked about
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  Speaker 1: my disdain for red bridesmaids dresses.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you did?
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  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's a difficult color and it doesn't look great on everybody. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't. Do you wear red regularly yourself?
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  Speaker 2: I do like red.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think it'll get on your hair color. It looks
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  Speaker 1: terrible on me.
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  Speaker 2: But I have a sister.
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  Speaker 1: Because your hair is blonde blonde.
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  Speaker 3: My sister's brunette with olive skin and brown eyes and
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  Speaker 3: she always tells me like I can't wear red.
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  Speaker 2: I just feel like that's not true.
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  Speaker 1: I think she's being mean.
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  Speaker 2: She should.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, spend some time with her and you'll see. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But I was telling Emily about that, about the hitting
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  Speaker 1: of the ball. And she goes, oh, no. The little
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  Speaker 1: boy cried. How old was he?
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  Speaker 2: I go, eight.
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  Speaker 1: I go, I don't know how old he was. I go,
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  Speaker 1: she's got five kids. It was the fifth one. I
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  Speaker 1: can't keep up. I go, I do try to make
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  Speaker 1: sure I know all their names, though.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I was shocked because I really thought I was having
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  Speaker 3: a boy. And so I think I talked to him.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I think this one's a boy. And
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  Speaker 3: then he was just.
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  Speaker 2: Real let down. But they're buddies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 2: Caroline and Jack are real tight, so it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: My– My nephew is pregnant with his third, and they
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  Speaker 1: have two boys. And so every kid on every side
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  Speaker 1: has a boy. So they just assume it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a boy. But me and the oldest little boy,
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  Speaker 1: he's five. I'm like, fist pump. It's team girl.
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  Speaker 2: When are you going to find out?
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  Speaker 1: When the baby comes out.
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  Speaker 2: I know, but when's the baby due?
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  Speaker 1: The baby is, she's having the baby October 22nd, the
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  Speaker 1: day after my birthday.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, well, it's going to be born on your birthday.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I hope so.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a lot to talk about because we've got
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  Speaker 1: right now three shows going on.
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  Speaker 2: We've got New York.
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  Speaker 1: New episode aired on Tuesday. We record this on Wednesdays.
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  Speaker 1: We've got Salt Lake City. Only one episode has been
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  Speaker 1: out that I've seen. I think it comes on Thursdays.
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  Speaker 1: And then Ultimate Girls Trip. Ultimate Girls Trip I'm enjoying
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  Speaker 1: because I find it to be light and airy and
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  Speaker 1: with a sprinkle of drunk Luann. I'm enjoying it. How about,
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  Speaker 1: how do you feel? I know you're not, we're not
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  Speaker 1: going to talk about OC cause I'm not watching it.
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  Speaker 1: Ultimate Girl Strip.
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  Speaker 2: How are you feeling?
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  Speaker 3: Um, I, some of the cities I'm like that these
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  Speaker 3: women really need to get some attention. Like OC in Miami,
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  Speaker 3: they're just going over the top.
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  Speaker 2: They, I mean, the Miami women are so mad.
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  Speaker 3: About not being brought back that I think they're like,
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  Speaker 3: let's stick it to Bravo and just like amp it up.
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  Speaker 3: But it's like not translating well because the OGs are
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  Speaker 3: just like, huh, what?
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  Speaker 1: They didn't need to do the beach games. They should
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  Speaker 1: just go to like a Miami nightclub. That's all they
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  Speaker 1: needed to do. They didn't need to do beach games.
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  Speaker 3: But also like to get into these dumb fights within
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  Speaker 3: their cast.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It's like you're missing a beat. You know, Chris
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  Speaker 2: worked on it.
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  Speaker 3: He went– The first episode was in the OC, so
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  Speaker 3: the girls and I went down and had lunch with them.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: We went over to the hotel, and you had to
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  Speaker 3: see how much luggage and crap the crew had. It
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  Speaker 3: was like two rooms filled with equipment, and then to
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  Speaker 3: know that the next day they were going to pack
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  Speaker 3: it all up and then go all the way to
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  Speaker 3: Kyle's house.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Unbelievable, this traveling circus that they were able to do.
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  Speaker 3: I think that Vicky is completely a waste of money.
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  Speaker 3: I recorded with Carlos and I said to him, you
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  Speaker 3: are a producer. Why would you allow a woman to
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  Speaker 3: participate in a show like this and work while on
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  Speaker 3: the clock for another.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's just her brand.
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  Speaker 2: He goes, oh my God, you're right. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: why would you allow that?
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  Speaker 3: You're getting paid for this job.
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  Speaker 2: Put your computer away. Like what?
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  Speaker 1: Great point, Kate. Great point.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: And then also, okay, on the OC, you know, Vicky's
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  Speaker 3: dating some weird guy, you know, Taylor's oldest time. And
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  Speaker 3: she notes that. She's got that house in Cotto. She's
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  Speaker 3: got the condo in Puerto Vallarta. And then she's this
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  Speaker 3: property in Palm Springs. But she said she co-owns it
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  Speaker 3: with a boyfriend.
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  Speaker 2: But they're not married.
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  Speaker 3: Now she spends so much time telling people that she's
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  Speaker 3: like the go-to.
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  Speaker 2: For financial advice.
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  Speaker 3: And another thing I go, would you take a financial
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  Speaker 3: advice for someone who bought a property with a boyfriend
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  Speaker 3: who doesn't want to give.
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  Speaker 2: Her a ring?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's going to give her a ring if she's nice, Kate.
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  Speaker 1: She's got to be a good girl first.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, get this woman off my TV. I can't
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  Speaker 2: stand her.
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  Speaker 1: I don't mind, Vicki. It's hard for me to turn
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  Speaker 1: on a housewife. The only housewife I never really just immediately, well,
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  Speaker 1: there's several, but that I immediately disliked was Jen Shaw
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  Speaker 1: the minute she came on my screen. I didn't like her.
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  Speaker 1: And then I couldn't stand it. And then when she
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  Speaker 1: was on Watch What Happens Live and had like a
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  Speaker 1: bullhorn and had a huge hat and they were all
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  Speaker 1: on screens because it was COVID and we were like No,
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  Speaker 1: you're trying way too hard. Lydia, I never liked just because.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that was a hard one. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like the trad wife without the banana bread
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  Speaker 3: kind of persona. Like that was Lydia and Alexis Bellino
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  Speaker 3: in the early days.
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't take her.
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  Speaker 3: I just was like, this is not a modern story
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  Speaker 3: for a woman to be like, my husband's the king
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  Speaker 3: and like going to the mega churches.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: I just, I would love to know why she hasn't
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  Speaker 3: said anything like, boy, I've learned so much since that marriage.
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  Speaker 2: But maybe she still feels that way.
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  Speaker 1: I think, Vicki, it's just, it's so interesting to me
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  Speaker 1: that just on camera, she's constantly like, Don's the one
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  Speaker 1: that got away.
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  Speaker 2: Don's like, drop my name. Like, keep my name on
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  Speaker 2: your list. Like, just stop. Drop it.
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  Speaker 1: I think that. Either you or Heather or you or
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  Speaker 1: Heather were talking together or she said, one of you
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  Speaker 1: said it, that Vicki would really be a different person
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  Speaker 1: if Brianna and those grandkids live close by.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Probably. Because she would have, that would kind of give
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  Speaker 1: her purpose. And this is, I'm saying this as someone
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  Speaker 1: who has sisters that have grandchildren and they're close by,
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  Speaker 1: most of them. And it really gives you, you really
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  Speaker 1: are very busy with it. And thrilled to be involved,
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  Speaker 1: you know? And so I think if Rihanna was close
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  Speaker 1: by and she could see those grandkids all the time,
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  Speaker 1: she probably wouldn't be so focused on my man, my man,
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  Speaker 1: my man, you know?
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  Speaker 2: No, I think she'd always be like that. She's just
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  Speaker 2: like one of those.
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  Speaker 3: Losery women who would drop her girlfriends for a guy.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like people like that. I'm like, hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a lesson we all learned in college. Don't
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  Speaker 1: ever drop your girlfriends for a guy.
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  Speaker 2: Don't ever drop it. She would. She'd be like, hmm.
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  Speaker 2: I don't trust people like that.
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  Speaker 1: But guess what? We're talking about Vicki.
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  Speaker 2: Not for very long.
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• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Thoughts on Luann just getting so shit-faced and narcissistic on.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: The girls' trip.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, there she is.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: I have a hard time with people who talk nonstop
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: about themselves. And I also have this pet peeve. It
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: actually enrages me. if someone's in the middle of a
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: really interesting story and they're like, because I feel like
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: storytelling is such an intimate thing. And when you're sharing
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: something and someone's listening and it's like going both ways,
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: it's like magic.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: It's pure magic.
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: And so when Luann interrupted that conversation where.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, Marisol was talking.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: About Mama Elsa. And everyone's just like caught up in
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: the story. And then she like.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Interjected. I really got angry.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: I got angry for Marisol. Like she just wanted that
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: moment to share that story. And everybody was, it was
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: just such a special moment. I can't stand people who
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I agree. And we obviously know people like this in
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: our lives. Everybody does. where you're talking, talking, and just
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: from over here, somebody else is either having a conversation
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: and you're like, I'm trying to listen or I'm trying
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: to tell something. And you, if you don't care, get
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: up from the table. You're just being so rude. I
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: hate it.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: Sometimes I get mad when children come up, like my
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: kids know never ever, because I make such a big deal.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Like if I'm speaking to an adult, do not interrupt me.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Do not.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: You wait till I'm done talking and then you can
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: approach me. Do not interrupt me. I could, because it's
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: such a pet peeve of mine, but if I'm in
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: the middle of something and like a story and then someone's,
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: you know, and not a little kid, but like, I
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: don't know, like a 10 year old or something is like, yeah.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Mom, blah, blah, blah. I get, which is irrational, but
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: in my.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: Brain, I'm like, I want to murder somebody because it's
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: just such a, like, When both people are so invested
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: in a story, it's like I don't want something to
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: come between it.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I agree. By the way, my husband is the worst
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: at that.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: There was one time and if he were here, he'd
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: be like, you talk to everybody. I was in a
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: boutique and I was talking to the woman that owns
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: the boutique and it was like 20 minutes into our conversation.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: She says, I've never told anybody this before, but my
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: My mom's boyfriend went to Mexico and shot my dad.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: And I've kept it a secret. And she's telling me this.
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: And Dan keeps calling me because he's trying to find
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: a parking spot. And then he found a parking spot
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: and he wanted to know when I was going to
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: come out and get in the car or whatever. And
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I'm not picking up. And so he's walking down the
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: street and he's looking in every store.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: And then he sees me. He comes in and he's like, hello?
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Hello?
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't talk to you right now. And
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: then we went out.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Crazy story. Was the person ever like arrested?
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: And he's like, why weren't you picking up? And I'm like,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: do you understand this woman? Just, he goes, who, who cares?
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: I'm like, she was unburdened for a moment in time.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: And I got that information.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And you are worried about the parking spot. Yeah.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, while we're talking, I might get six calls
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: from my son yesterday. Um, And I'll just ignore them. Yesterday,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: he called me. Now, there is. It's a news story.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: There's a big crisis happening on the Ole Miss campus
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: with people having laced drugs and things. It's been on
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: the news. And so when he called me yesterday and
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I was recording, I felt the need to pick up
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: because I didn't know if he knew some information to
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: tell me or what. No, he wanted to know if
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: I could send him a picture of a bird. He goes,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: can you send me a picture of a bird? I said,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: you know, there are birds in Mississippi that you could
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: also take a picture of. Like, what are you talking about?
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, my biology professor. when we come in
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: next time, wants us to show him a picture of
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: a squirrel and a bird that we took. I said,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: I'm recording.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: So I don't know. What?
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Later, I was like.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I don't understand.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: He goes, my biology professor is weird. I said, he
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: probably literally wants to make sure you guys are paying attention.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: yeah and put the weirdest thing out there to see
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: oh i love.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: That yeah yeah okay i'm gonna adopt that yeah so
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: i need a picture of a squirrel and a bird
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: i said okay well there really aren't a lot of
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: squirrels here on baldhead island at least not by my
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: house yeah but i've got a bird feeder because he
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: knows i'm obsessed with my bird feeder because i'm a
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: thousand years old and he goes can you take a
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: picture of one of those and then i'll say i
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: took it at the beach i was like okay or
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: you could just walk outside.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: And wait for a bird to land to take a
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: picture i mean But that is what he was interrupting
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: me about. Sometimes it's what's the Hulu password.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah, we get that a lot.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: And when they do that, then my one daughter will
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: send 14 question marks.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Hello? Hello? Are you not? It's like, girl, I'm busy, man.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I'm working. Yeah. Now, this is what we say in
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: our house. I'll say, okay, so what if the opposite
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: is true? So what if I text you and you
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: don't answer to them? Because I text them and they
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: don't answer. But if they text me and I don't
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: answer immediately with the Hulu password or whatever, it's like, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not the same.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Back to our shows. How are you feeling about New York?
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: I think you could have gotten rid of all the
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: ones that were on.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: The show before. Really? All three?
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Just start anew.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know why they kept them. I think that
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Haley makes no sense because we don't even know the
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: real name of her husband.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: We're never going to see him.
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: She doesn't have children. We don't see her parents except
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: for like a Zoom call. We don't know who her
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: friends are. Why would they cast somebody who seems to
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: have not a lot of people in her life and
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: also the small amount of them we will never see
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: and never know? All that we know about her is
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: she gets high all the time. She doesn't have a job.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: What's the connection, though, with the other girls, though? That's
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: my question. What's her connection with them?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: It's not even explained. So why is she on the show?
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Because Daisy knew Psy from before.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, she knew her years ago when they both
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: went to scores.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Like, it's not enough.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: But at least it's something. With Haley, I don't know.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Why was she cast?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: She's stunt casting because of the John Gosselin thing? Because
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: who cares?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Who gives a shit about that?
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Who cares? Right.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: The classism. I was like, oh, that's a trigger for me.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: The classism, going to Daisy's apartment and like shit talking
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: her popcorn ceilings. I'm just like, you're an asshole. Why
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: would you go to someone's house and then shit? By
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: the way, she lives in New York City.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: It's expensive.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: Most people could not live in New York City. It's
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: super expensive.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: It appears they have a two bedroom apartment, which is
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: like a mansion anywhere else.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: And rent controlled. She's the smart one.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Rent controlled. Never fucking leave.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Never.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: My friend that's here with me, two of her kids
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: live in New York City. And she's like, That's a
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: rent-controlled apartment? Oh, no. You're never going to buy it.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: You just pay that rent. Because you can imagine if
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: it's rent-controlled, it would probably be $ 10, 000 a month, and
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: maybe they're paying like $ 3, 000.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Just something crazy. That's what rent-controlled means, guys. It is
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: the rent that it was when it started. They can't
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: ever change it. But a two-bedroom apartment in New York
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: City is $ 10, 000 a month. Easy. Easy.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Also, what does Jessel do for a living? And what
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: does the husband do? He's just like a content creator.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: How do they afford that lifestyle? I just feel like
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: most of these housewives, they're just really skimming it.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: They must be in big.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: Credit card debt because the outfits and the hair and
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: the makeup, I'm like, this is all going.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: To catch up.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: So Jessel's job, remember that, okay.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: She did fashion PR, but we never see her at
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: the job.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Fashion PR, okay.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: She probably got rid of that and she's just like
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: doing cameos now.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Just then when I typed her name, it literally comes
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: up with like some sort of serum she's promoting. But
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: she was– remember– I don't know if it was the
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: first or second season with this new cast that they
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: were impressed because they went to a party and she
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: actually did have real known names in the fashion world
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: were there. And they were like, okay, actually maybe her
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: job is legit.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Is that a job or you just know somebody?
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I think maybe it was a job originally.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I want to know about your life.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Who are your friends? Who are your parents? What do
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: you do during the day? Even on OC, all we
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: do is we go to Heather Dubrow's, the penthouse downstairs
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: they bought and they're going to renovate it. What do
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: you do at 11 o'clock?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Do you go on a run? Do you go to
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the gym? She makes TikToks. That's what she does. If
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: that's your life, that's not enough for a TV show.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: That TikTok that I sent to you and Heather the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: other day of Gina, Emily, and Shanna Medore doing some
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: sort of TikTok dance was the cringiest shit I have
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: ever seen in my life.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Do they make a lot of money from that? I
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying this. The TV show can't be you
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: make TikToks.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: What's your life? Who do you hang out with?
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: What's your day like? Do you get up and there's
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: a butler there like getting you coffee? Okay, well, who's
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: your butler and what's their backstory?
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Do you treat them well? Like give me something.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: I just think the housewives is getting so boring just
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: like across because it's women that they keep for way
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: too long and then their whole personality is that I'm
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: a housewife and that's not why I want to watch
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: a show. I want to watch a show and know okay,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: this is their, her marriage. This is her family. This
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: is like the complicated relationship she has with her sister
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: and her friends. That's why she doesn't like that one
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: because she is like, you know, been through this life
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: experience and it just conflicts.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: With like, give me something.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: I want to see teenage and college age kids because
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: they're my favorite because they'll call bullshit on a mom.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: Like a toddler's not going to elementary. Now middle school,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: they're just in their weird thing, but like a high
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: school or college, like if, It's the Real Housewives of podcasting.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: And people go to your house and you're like, I'm
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: going to make some dinner for my family. And then
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: John's like, Mom, please stop pretending that you cook. I'm
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: not saying this is your– but they'll call bullshit. You
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: haven't cooked forever. What are you talking about?
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: They're like, Mom, you only know how to cook if
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: it's hella fresh. And that's true.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Like Vicky's son, Michael, he was the best because he'd
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: be like, you're insane.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Stop. That to me is entertaining.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree. Yeah, if you came to my house
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: and I was cooking dinner, it would just be a
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: lot of, ew, I don't like that, or gross, can
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: we have ketchup, or why do we have to have
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: family dinner?
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: It's stupid.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: How come dad can have his phone at the table
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: but we can't?
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: It would be a lot of that. Yeah.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of that. Well, I think New York
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: is good. I think the Martha Stewart of it all
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: is entertaining. I didn't like how they shit on her apartment.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: The girl that's married to the billionaire, we saw her
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: this week with her husband and the chef in the kitchen.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: And I loved how the chef was like, you're going
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: to make your own dinner.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: That's what I loved.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: And then he watched them make dinner.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: I have a feeling that the storyline for them is
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: that he's cheap.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: They're cheap because they show.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Them on the island and there's a clip and they're like,
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: this is like gross.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine going to someone's private island and they
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: showed it, they.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Showed the property, but I kind of dig that. Cause I'm, yeah,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I do think that's interesting.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Like, but you know, for me, for example, I was
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: raised with a stepfather who was the product of like
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: the depression.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: So he used to constantly talk to me about like,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: every light has to be off. You can't like, what
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: a waste of money. This is like, you're going to
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: have the biggest electric bill or turn the water off.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: So even as an older person, when my husband leaves
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: water on and walks out of her room brushing teeth,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I'm getting like agita. And I didn't grow up with
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: any money. Like if I went to the mall, I'd
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: be like, mom, I really love that sweater. She'd be like, well,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: we don't have the money for it. I can't ever
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: turn that volume down.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: It will never, never, never go away. So I want
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: to know, is her husband like that? And maybe that's why...
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: he makes some of the choices he does.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: She, she said last.
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Night that she grew up well off because her father
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: was a doctor in Waco.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: But maybe the husband, like, and that to me is
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: interesting about people, like things that happened to you as
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: a child, they create the foundation for your persona. And
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: like a lot of that doesn't ever go away. Yes.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think that will be interesting.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in them. I'm interested in her because when
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: we first see her, you know, she's teaching kickboxing, kickboxing classes,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: or she's rented her dress or whatever. And then third
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: episode in, then we meet the husband, which I liked
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: because he is a billionaire and they do have a, and.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: By the way, smart.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: No, some people would go, why is a billionaire on
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: this television show? Because he's built rewards. They've advertised on podcasts.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I think that company is savvy. If she's like, I
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: want to have something for myself other than boxing classes.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: He's smart to go, oh yeah, that would look good
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: for the company. Then they're going to see me as
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: the CEO and my home story. And then they're going
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: to feel attached to our family unit and want to like, you.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Know, assuming nothing shady is going on there, then yeah,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: it'll be fine.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I know all that.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: That's that, that's going to be interesting to see like what's,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: what's really going on.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: But now we're all saying built rewards. I mean, you know,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: like last night when my friend and I were watching
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: it and she hasn't watched it in years. And cause
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: she was like, tell me about, it's interesting when you
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: said too, um, cause I was like, Oh, this guy
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: does built rewards. She was like, Oh, I've heard of that.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: And so we're talking about it. So it's, it's got
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the achieved effect, but the desired effect, but when Jessel
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: came on, she was like, okay, pause it. Now tell
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: me what she does. And so I go, well, she
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: used to be PR for fashion. I don't know if
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: she still does it, but, and then I told her
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: all about Povit. I said, he, I think was literally
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: like in finance. He had like a regular well-earning job
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and he quit to become a food influencer. Cause he
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: got a little of attention on the show for using
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: his miles to go get a sandwich in Vietnam. Cause
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: he had to do a round trip to get a status.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: And I said, so then it kind of became a thing,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: like how stupid that was. But then he quit his
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: job to become a food influencer. She's like, what?
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: A person in the know told me that both Aaron
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: and Jessel's husbands were the ones that wanted their wives
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: on the show. Jessel never even watched the show before.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Pavit was like, you got to go. Like, I think
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: they may even moved to New York City so she
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: could be on the show. And Aaron's husband is the
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: attorney for for Dumois and is like in those circles.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: And he was like, yeah. And he was like, you
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: got to get on the show. So that, so that's
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: why we see them a lot probably. Cause they're okay
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: with it because they kind of, they think it's all great.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: He was miked. I watched what happens live. He was
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: in the audience and he was miked.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Her husband, like they're real into it.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Her husband is the attorney for Dumois.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: That's what I was told. Yeah.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: That's if that's true. And we, that's what, Kate has heard,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: that's probably pretty lucrative because Dumas probably gets sued a lot.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know, though. I bet so.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: I think she's probably figured out a way to not
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: get sued.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't even know who Dumas is, nor do
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I care. I mean, I think it came out who
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Dumas was, right?
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, probably. Yeah, it's hard to keep that undercover, but
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: people still care about gossip.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, I care about gossip. Yeah, but I just don't
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: care about who it is.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, like who the persona is. I don't know if
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: it's even important. Yeah.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I definitely care about gossip. Are you kidding? Okay, New
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: York City, Salt Lake. So Salt Lake, we started off
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: with what I think was an interesting way where they
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: did it, where they showed Mary and Cousin Jo, who
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I guess is now just going to be her sidekick
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: since Robert, her husband, refuses to.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Be on the show.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: But I think he's coming back onto the show and
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: that makes me worry. Yeah.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: They showed a clip.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Are you sure?
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Yes. They show it for this coming, this next episode.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: And she's like, thank you so much. You know, I
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: couldn't have done this without you. You're the best partner.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: Are I, you know, you and I have thought a
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: lot about the, their dynamic because we interviewed the, the
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: filmmakers for that doc.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I worry about the childhood that Mary had.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: And this man was married to her grandmother. And then
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: she ends up married to him. Yeah. I mean, people
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: have to really like sit on that for a second.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Like she was young.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: But, you know, according to the other people in the documentary,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: you know, she sort of pursued him.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't make sense.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: You know, do you see how twisted that is? Like,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: She pursued an older man?
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: No.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Her grandmother's husband.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: That is so twisted.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: She wanted to be head of the church.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: It's not the fault of the man who's preying on
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: a younger girl. Right.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Right, right, right.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I liked the way they did it. It liked
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: being a relative term here because we were talking about
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: somebody who died. I liked the way they did it
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: and that it showed her hope, you know, when he
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: got out.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's heartbreaking.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: That was hard. And then it was like two weeks later,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: you know, he had passed, you know, in his room.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: And then people were very upset that they were filming
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: in his room and stuff with his dog. But I
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: think if she's like, hey, let's go. Let me show
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you what I'm doing.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: Go up here.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, what's the crew going to be like? No,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: we don't think that's appropriate, you know?
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I think you have to really... respect that everybody
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: grieves in their own way. And there are some parents
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: that close the room off and they never want anybody
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: to ever go into it. For Mary, maybe that made
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: her feel close to him. And I think that the
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: crew members have been in our home so much in
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: the last couple of years. When she says, you guys
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: are my family now, she's really talking about the crew too.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: The Bravo family. And you think, okay, you do have
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: a husband.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: And Well, that's what I was like, Mary, what? Like,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: in that clip, I'm like, where has this guy been?
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: It feels like you've been doing this all on your own.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I want to tell you something. If you ever want
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: to be entertained, which I know you do, our friends
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Dylan and Pat, their Salt Lake City recap, Patrick Hickey
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: is so unhinged about Mary Cosby and how much he
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: hates her and how much he thinks she's a horrible person.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: human and a horrible mother. And it is unhinged. I
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: sent him a text because I listened to the episode
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and I wrote him, I go, number one, that was
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: cousin Joe at the beginning, not her husband. And number two,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: something else. And he wrote back, MP, was I too
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: hard on Mary Cosby telling the truth? I go, you
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: already know the answer. It was terrible. It was terrible
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: what you said.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I'm always trying to promote them because I think if
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: people don't get, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta have
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: a tough skin to listen. You can't, you can't be offended.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: No.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Because But holy shit, their episode.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: Just go take it.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Scorch her.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: Every time Dylan tries to like bring it around, Patrick, no, no, no, no, no.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Would you let a film crew? I mean, he's just,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: he really hates her. Really hates her.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: But then I don't like how Angie had all the
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: women over and she's like sitting there like, listen, we
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: got to like just cut the shit and just be
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: of support to each other.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Like this really sucks.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: And Meredith's just sitting there like smirking cause she hates Whitney.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: And I was just like, this is, you're so disconnected
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: from reality. Like you can't just like sit in this moment.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I think I said it on threads.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Over arching feeling I have is like women, we need
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: other women when anything happens. We need other women. Like
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: your spouse can't do it all for us, you know?
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: You need your women friends. Always, always. Just take a beat,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: sit together, and Meredith couldn't participate.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know. She needs to go.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: She's sitting there like, is anybody going to comment on
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: my facelifts? Look how amazing I look.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: But like, I hate Whitney. And I'm like, I don't
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: want to hear about your fight with Whitney right now.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Everybody just sit in the, you have to sometimes just
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: sit with people that you don't really like. It's for
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: a common good of another friend.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: If you can't get past something, you shouldn't be on
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: these shows. You just can't because.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: That's the whole thing.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Why is she even mad at Whitney? Oh, because Whitney
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: went on stage and made fun of her when she
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: was drunk? Yeah.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Okay. That's the name of the game.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: That's what you sign up for. You got to move.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: That's the name of the game. You got to move on.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: You got to go, all right, well, that sucked, but
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I have to work with you. Yeah.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I think she's a whore, so who cares?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. It's like this.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: What if it's a company- And you found out like
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: the original CEO, like the founder of the company died
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: and you bring the company together to talk about it
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: and the memories and the mission of the company.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: And the chief marketing officer is smirking at the end
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: of the table because they're fighting with the.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Head of sales.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: And you'd be like, is this really like the.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: Time to talk about your stupid shit? Yeah. That's how
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: I felt.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: Okay. Okay.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Good analogy, KKC. This is why you're KKC. That's really good.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: That's really good. And I think that it's like we've
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: all been in these situations in life where somebody dies.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: There's some sort of drama, a tragedy with a friend
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: who I'll give a life example. You know, like my
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: husband goes to rehab. Well, all the friends have to
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: gather together to support me. Now, whether these two friends
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: over here didn't get along two weeks ago about something,
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: they don't care because they're all there for the common
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: good to support the friend that needs them. So I
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: agree that I, at the end of it, Whitney's like,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: and we all have some healing to do from my
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: healing journey because I'm on another healing journey. This healing
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: journey is healing from drinking too much. I'm like, okay,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: every season you got a healing journey.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: About something else. God bless. Okay.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I want to see her date. I want to see
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: her date and get Justin mad. That's what I want
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: to say.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think she doesn't want to get a
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: divorce because it would be the second divorce and she
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: met him like- under bad circumstances, right?
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Well, not bad circumstances. They were having an affair.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: So I think that she's probably like, oh, this is
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: going to look bad if I get another divorce. I
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: think a lot of women stay together for that kind
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: of stuff.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: It's like Ross on Friends. He didn't want to be
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: divorced three times.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: I think my mom stayed with my stepfather who was horrible, horrible,
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: much older man, horrible man, horrible to her children. I
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: think she was just like, this is my fourth marriage.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I got to make it work.
• 40:02
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• 40:07
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• 40:10
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• 42:15
  Speaker 1: right now. There's Patrick and Thais, and this is his
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: second marriage. And his brother comes on and goes, 50%
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: of first marriages fail, 63% of second marriages fail, 75%
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: of third marriages fail. Why would you ever say you
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: would be happy with getting married again? Like, what's wrong
• 42:34
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• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great point, great point, great point.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: And he's like, I just want to be, I like
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: to be married. He goes, you like to be married,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: but you don't, do it right. Yes.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Do we both believe that Heather's boyfriend is an opportunist
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: and gross?
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people saying that on shows
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: and I don't know him enough yet. Just because he
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: went on the show and just because he went on
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: a red carpet doesn't mean he doesn't really like her.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I think he likes being.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I think he gives me the same Jared vibes. It's
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: not about the woman. It's about the opportunity to be
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: on TV.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: People are like, I cannot believe that they didn't have
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Brittany come to this conversation. I was like, they needed
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: it to be the core group. They didn't need Brittany.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Mary hates Brittany. Right.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: But Mary wasn't there, you know?
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Still. Yeah, no.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, God bless Brittany. She's just sort of like
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: the punchline they have to keep around, you know, and
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: that's too bad.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think they need to keep her around at all.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I'd get rid of her.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I would too. She doesn't offer anything. I guess
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: it's funny because she's ridiculous. But she's another one of
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: those people that like has leaned into the ting, ting,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: ting and has something to say, you know, leaning into
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: like her tagline of it all like glip.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: I also think that they all hate, everybody hates everybody.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: And that's a problem on this show. Hmm.
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I don't think, I don't think they really have like deep,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: I think they're like, prisoners, you know, like, oh, we're,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: we all have this common bond that we, you know,
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: had this traumatic life experience being in prison together. But
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: after we get out of here, you're not hearing from
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: me again.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you watch? Like in Miami, you feel that.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: I feel like those women, although they can be very performative,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: I do think that they care about one another.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I agree. I don't care. I don't, I don't think
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: that the Salt Lake people care about each other at all.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Ultimate girls trip. Are they completely skipping Dallas like it
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: didn't happen?
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Like there were many seasons of that show.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: I mean Miami is canceled and they had them on here,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: but Dallas.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: I think it's been too far off.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I think they want to like clean up the plates
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: and pretend like there wasn't a fight in the kitchen.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like it's just dead, dead in the water.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Well, that makes me sad.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Are they going to get Leigh-Anne Locken?
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, she's... Yeah, she's fucking nuts.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: That would be great.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Or maybe she's too much of a... Maybe they're just
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: like the whole thing with like Vicky and Shannon fighting
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: at the first party. They were like, this is not
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: what this show is about, so you don't get to
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: come back. Maybe they were like, they were too afraid
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Leigh-Anne Locken and, you know, that crazy redheaded girl would
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: try to hijack it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Now, the ultimate girls trip when they go to Rhode Island,
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: or they get the Rhode Island girls that come to
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: the Berkshires.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: That show hadn't even aired yet. So let's see how
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: everyone treats those women. They're probably like your pond scum.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: But meanwhile, that show was a big time hit. Yeah.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Ooh, that's good.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: And that's coming up in a couple of weeks, right?
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: We've got to be almost done.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: They're going to be like, who are you? Who are
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: you people? Like, what's your name? Like, you don't matter.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Do you work here? It's like, bring me a drink.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Bring me a drink.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: But it's like their show is way better than a
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: lot of the other franchises.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Okay. Did you watch the first two episodes of The Traitors?
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: I did. Yeah. I liked it.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: With the normies, I loved it.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Today on my show, I have Madeline. Okay.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Which one is she?
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: She was the one who got kicked off.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Christy said that she had said, I don't know.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I feel bad about kicking off Kim.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Kim.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Not Kim.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: Okay. Madeline is the girl who's the construction manager.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, so pretty.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty girl. She's on my show today.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: Okay. I loved looking at her. And when I love
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: to look at somebody, I get sad when I don't.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Have them on my team. You know what she did say?
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: She's very interesting.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I was like, hmm. She talks about the sexism.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: And I was like, hmm, you're right. By the way,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: she's six feet tall. Yeah, she said, I have definitely
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: a commanding presence, and I've been working around dudes. And
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I am very strong in my convictions, and that can.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Be a lot for people.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: But she was like, why am I taking all the heat,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: but Victor's scot-free?
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Because he was sitting right there, too.
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, she said when they went around the round table,
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: it was like, Madeline, Madeline, Madeline.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Very few people said Victor.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: But he should have said, I did not hear her
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: say that. I think she did not say that. He
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: should have been more convincing. But once he could see
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: the writing on the wall, everybody's just there to save themselves.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Oh, she also said they played it up that there
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: was some sort of showman. She was like, maybe I
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: flirted a little bit. But she said, I was actually
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: much closer to a bunch of other people.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: But also, it's like day two.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: So you're not talking to somebody on day two.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: I did it.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: My alliance was the people that I rode in the
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: car with. And I said, is that really a good idea?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: But I mean, when you don't know, you literally don't
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: know these people. So if you, at least with you
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: going with the celebrities, you may not know everybody, but
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: you know that person was on Survivor. So you could
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: go with what they're, or I saw that person on Housewives.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I love that show. At least you got a sense
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: of somebody. It may not be all 20 people, but
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: you may know of two people or somebody may tell
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: you they were on Big Brother, da, da, da, da.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: But here, it is literally just people from far and wide.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: We've got a funeral director. We've got a basketball coach
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: that's really a lawyer. I really thought I wasn't going
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: to like it, and now I'm obsessed.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, I actually– yeah, no, I like it.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: By the way, Kim, dum-dum for coming up with the
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: college basketball idea.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Why did she say that? Why?
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: We were like, why did she say that?
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Because– Excuse me.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, bless you.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: She thought, well, if I say I'm a lawyer– they're
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: going to be like, get rid of her. She's too analytical.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: But then you send your basketball coach, then they're going
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: to go, she's going to convince everybody to follow her direction,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: like get rid of this person.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: So it actually did her in in the end.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: I found that, so my friend Emily was watching with me.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: She's never watched one episode of Traders ever. So I
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: was like, well, I need to watch this for my
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: show and I think you'll like it. I'm not going
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: to force her to watch Love After Lockup. I'm going
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: to make her watch something good. And we watched the
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: two episodes. She's like, oh my gosh, when does the
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: next one come out? She's so into it. And I
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: was trying to explain to her that a lot of
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: times it's celebrities because she does know survivor people. and
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: stuff and so i was like you will like that
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: one too but i think this is probably a good
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: entry because everybody's on equal field where we don't know
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: anybody so when we first start to watch it and
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: the girl underneath her chiron says lawyer and she says
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: i'm a basketball coach emily goes oh that's what they
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: do they lie i go no I have never seen
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: one person do that ever.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: That is weird.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I go, I wonder why she did that. And I go,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: maybe they got her Chiron wrong. But I can't imagine Peacock.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Like I myself was trying to figure out. I didn't
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: understand that at all. I can't wait to find out
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: for her to come and do interviews and stuff and
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: explain it. Maybe she'll come on your show and explain it.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: She was going to come on my show and then
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: it didn't work out on Friday. That's okay.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: What was the strategy?
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: That's what I need to know.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry about that Madeline girl because I found
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: her to be like supermodel gorgeous and to be a
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: construction manager. I was like, she's interesting.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: She said she's loving being on the show and getting interviewed.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. She said it's so fun because her job is
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: just so different.
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, good.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: And a story that I– I mean, a show that
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: I saw being advertised and then, of course, you were
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: talking about it, a killer story. On HBO Max.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: Who did you interview from that?
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: The producer and the director. Okay.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: So you didn't, I have not listened to it, but
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: you didn't interview Joe, the New York Times.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: No, he had been out of town. So I just
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: got the director and the producer. Is his name Joe?
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: Did I get that right? Joe Sexton.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: First of all, so I made Emily watch that as well.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: She's here. I was like, we're watching TV. Like you
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: have no choice.
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: You're with me.
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I want to watch this literally
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: just for fun because I think that when I, I
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: don't have to take notes, you know?
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: So she was like, oh, okay. She's like, you know,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: I love Dateline.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, then you'll love this.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: You'll love this. So this is right up Kate's.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Alley, guys, by the way.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: She loves to find things for people to watch. That's
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: her jam. So you're like peeing your pants that I
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: have somebody here that doesn't watch a lot of television.
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: I love it. Yeah.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: And so far, I'm like two out of two. I've
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: hit it out of the park. Three out of three
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: because I've made her watch some Housewives stuff. So this
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: killer story, it's on HBO Max. And I'd heard this
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: story before.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: Because it was in an episode of 48 Hours.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: That's where you saw it. Or I've heard it on
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: a podcast. Dana Chandler. Dana Chandler. I've heard that name before.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: And I've seen her picture a million times. Because depending
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: on how they shoot it, she looks like the sweetest
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: little lady in the world. Or she looks like she
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: would fucking cut your throat.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, then somebody wrote, like a relative wrote on
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: my post. Oh. And she said, because I put it
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: in like an Instagram carousel about it, and they said
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: things that were not in the doc, which I was like, well,
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: I'd love to have known that, that Dana was so
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: obsessed with her ex. She would like stalk him, call him,
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: and try to rope in other people to like get
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: info on him. And something about like putting a cigarette
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: out on like somebody, like she was like she was unstable,
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: like totally obsessed. So I think maybe she like hired
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: someone to kill them.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Well, she was, you know, an alcoholic and got sober,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: but she lost full custody of her kids and got
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: sober and went back to college. And so that part
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: of the story is very compelling to me. But then
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: on the second episode, when they're showing the two different
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: stories that she told about her alibi and they draw
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: it out, like the short route and then the big, route.
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: And it's good for people that aren't from Colorado to understand,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: to show it on the screen of like, oh, okay.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: So one is like a three-hour day and the other
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: was like a 12-hour day. So which one did she do?
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: So I haven't watched the third episode, obviously. It's not
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: out yet. It'll come out Thursday night.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: And because if I have heard the story, because I've
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: heard so many stories, I've forgotten what actually happens.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Well, that's so fun too when you forget and then
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, okay, good.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: So we have to watch it Thursday night as well.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: But I What I find so interesting is the couple
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: that he calls pen pal and trash man.
• 53:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: The whole time, every time he goes, and then pen
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: pal said, dah, dah, dah, dah. And then I told
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: trash man, and we were just laughing so hard at
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: Joe Sexton, his character as a New York times, just,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: and he always has the fake cigarette in his mouth.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: And Emily goes, is that going to be explained?
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: I go interview because we talk about so much of
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: that stuff. And then we talk about the opening shot
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: where he's driving down, the road and the truck, I said,
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: you guys need an Emmy just for that shot.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: And then they were telling me.
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: Who was responsible for it. Like it's the making of it.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: I go into a.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Lot of that stuff.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Okay, good. That was maybe last week. I think your episode.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Was last week.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: And then I would love for you to listen to
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: my last Saturday series episode. Cause I had the guy,
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: Michael Swerdlick, who wrote the movie can't buy me love.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: And he has all these like really fun details about
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: the movie.
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: See, that's more of your generation because you're like my
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: two co-hosts. You're maybe a little 10 years or so
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: younger than me. I was like more in college when
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: that movie came out.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Whereas like your generation, it was like that was like
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: your high school movie, you know?
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: I think it was younger than that, but I feel
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: like it is just like one of the best rom-com
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: movies in the history of time.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, believe me, I know the premise of it.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I saw it when it came out, but I haven't
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: like seen it a hundred times. My generation watches over
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: and over like 16 Candles.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Do you remember Rico Suave?
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: So Gerardo's in that movie and Michael was telling me
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: about how he was cast for the show because they
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: needed somebody who– they wanted to get like locals.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: It was filmed in Tucson.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: And then a year after the movie's made, he comes
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: to him and he's like, I have this persona, Rico Suave.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: And he comes to his house with like cardboard to
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: do a backspin and like play the music with the bandana.
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: And he was like, I want you to rep me.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: And Michael was like, I don't really rep like singers.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: But then he went on and it became like the
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: number one song in America.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Gerardo wrote me. I'm going to interview him.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: No way, Kate.
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: Rico Suave.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: He's coming on my show.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you this about Rico Suave. On TLC,
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: there's a couple, Ashley and Manuel, and they recently, you know,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: posted they're getting divorced. So in our minds, they're like,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: they're not getting divorced. They just want to go on
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: last resort. Um, Or happily ever after. Whenever the TLC
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: couples post something, we're like, oh, they're trying to get
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: on one of these spinoffs. That's for divorced people or whatever,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: single people, whatever. Anyway, her dog's name is Rico Suave.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Every time she'd be like, and I was like,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: Rico Suave sleeps in the bed with us. And my
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: husband came from wherever, South American country, and he does
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: not believe the dog should be in the house. But
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: I said, Rico Suave is my first love. And she
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: constantly calls him like his full government name, Rico Suave.
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: And it's funny every time she says it because I'm like, oh,
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Rico Suave. Every time she says it, it comes to
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: my mind. The video and the abs.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: Cute okay is he still cute i'm sure.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Gorgeous gorgeous and has like really cute kids and they
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: are in on the joke and make videos about.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: Him and are you gonna have him on your saturday
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: series yes that's great kate is that great that is
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: great now you guys if you don't know because you
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: live under a rock kate um has a podcast where
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: she interviews documentary filmmakers and people like um gerardo Or
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: people like me. I was on the Saturday series. But she,
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: it's whatever you see on your TV, you're like, oh
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: my God, this looks fascinating. Like the Nathan Fielder thing
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: coming up with Elizabeth Holmes.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Kate's going to be all over that. All over it.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: All over it.
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: So anything like that you're interested in. But Kate also
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: has a Substack newsletter that comes to your mailbox. She
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: also does a podcast about it. And it's posted on
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: her Instagram, What to Watch. This is the, the list,
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: the list.
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I love.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Consult it. And not only do I consult it, but
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: I will then text Kate something like, my friend Emily
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: is here.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: What should we watch?
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: And Kate will be like, okay, tell me what she likes.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I'm like, okay.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: She likes Dateline. She likes this. And then Kate will.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Tell us what to watch.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: It's a gift.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Is she leaving? When is she leaving?
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: So we're leaving on Friday. But Thursday night, we already
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: know what to watch, but we don't have anything for tonight.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: What are you watching Thursday?
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: We're going to watch Traitors and A Killer Story.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, good.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: What can they watch tonight?
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, and then did you tell her about the Swans documentary?
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: I've not told her about the Swan. Chris DeRosa is
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: going to come on with me to talk about the Swan.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Did you watch it yet?
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: On the screener?
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: Did you agree with my assessment?
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: But here's my feeling because I interviewed the filmmaker and
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: then two of the women. In the end, I was like,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: they went through this. shitty experience, but it's like a
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: love story to the women that like, they totally bonded
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: and they're like great buddies now.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, that part of the story.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: I would like the whole thing to be about the
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: women that went through this experience. Um, I thought it
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: was interesting telling about, and I won't ruin it cause
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: people are going to watch it. The swan, um, the swans.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: I think that the experience of literally not being able
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: to look in a mirror for three months.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, we did talk about that.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: It's really got to fuck with your brain.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the psychological damage and then what the doctors did
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: to them.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I go into the whole thing about it.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: How did I forget Dr. Dubrow was on that show?
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: And then I ask Aaron, the director in it, why
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: didn't he participate? Is it true that he asked for
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: all this money? And she's like, it is. I go, well,
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: how much?
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: She wouldn't tell me, but she was like, it was
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: like an astronomical amount of money.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: He must be embarrassed. He's like, I don't want to
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: talk about it unless you pay me.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: So you talked to Aaron Lee Carr.
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: Aaron Lee Carr and Christy and Carrie.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Aaron Lee Carr, I'm so fascinated with because I loved
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: her dad, David Carr, The Night of the Gun. I mean,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest books of all time. Go read
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: that book, guys. It's about her dad and his addiction.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: And he was a huge, famous writer. And then she
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: sort of followed in his footsteps. She's a very well-known
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: documentary filmmaker.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: And then when I saw she was doing it.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: I was like– She told me, too.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: She has a bunch of sisters and went to an
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: all-women's school. I was like, hey, girl.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: I was like, we're peeps. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. Yeah, that's another thing I'm going to be covering.
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  Speaker 1: And you interviewed her and two of the cast.
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  Speaker 2: Members, contestants. Two of the contestants.
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  Speaker 1: Two of the swans.
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  Speaker 2: Uh-huh. Two of the swans.
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  Speaker 1: Two of the swans.
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  Speaker 3: And they were so embarrassed their whole life. And I
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  Speaker 3: do like that because of this, I was like, look
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  Speaker 3: at you. You guys are so powerful.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Ah.
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  Speaker 1: Kate, you're so good. So everybody make sure you're following
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  Speaker 1: Kate and tell everybody where they can find your Substack
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  Speaker 1: and all the things.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: So you got to sign up at katecasey.substack.com and then
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: make sure that you check out, I have bonus podcasts,
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: which are great too, on Apple Podcasts and Patreon.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: And follow me on social.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Media because I always put up carousels of the topics.
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  Speaker 3: I'll do one tonight about the swans. So you would
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: know what's coming up and what you should listen to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, your carousels lately have really been killing it, girl.
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  Speaker 2: I know. It's really exciting.
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  Speaker 1: It's really good. I tell you, being friends with Kate,
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  Speaker 1: you guys, it's like being friends with the mayor of Podcastville.
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  Speaker 2: That's so kind. Thank you. You're so welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Kate and I did a limited series last year, I think.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, we got to bring it back.
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  Speaker 1: We got to bring it back. It was called Tell
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  Speaker 1: Me Everything with Kate and Mary Payne.
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  Speaker 2: We got to bring it back.
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  Speaker 1: And we told each other stories, and they were really good,
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  Speaker 1: and they were either personal stories or stories that we
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  Speaker 1: hadn't heard. I am suggesting for our next round, which
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  Speaker 1: I really want to do like December. We've got to
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  Speaker 1: get through all these shows in November, and plus I'm
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: going to Italy, so I've got to think about it
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  Speaker 1: after that. I wanted to tell me everything about a cult,
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  Speaker 1: and we find a cult that the other one doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know about, and we tell each other about the cult.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I think I'm going to cover one soon.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because you probably have six in your brain.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Because I got a cult the other day. And even
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  Speaker 1: if we do know about it, one of us may
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  Speaker 1: know more and could tell the other one.
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  Speaker 3: It's just fun to just go over what their crazy
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  Speaker 3: mission statement is, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you think Scientology, but take it way down
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  Speaker 1: to a cult that only has like six followers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Love it. Love it.
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  Speaker 1: Like Teal Swan.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Come on. Not to be confused with the Swans. So
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  Speaker 1: we're going to probably bring that back, guys. But if
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: you want to hear it, it is on Case Patreon.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: It's on my Patreon as well. So everybody, make sure
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  Speaker 1: you're following us on social media. Kate Casey is KateCaseyCA.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And I am PinkShadePod. And I will see you guys.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: If you're on PinkShadePod, I'll see you tomorrow with my
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: last resort recap. And I hope everybody listens to my
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: interview with Ross Matthews that I put out on Monday.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: He's such a delight.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Bye, Kate.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.