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Gorgeous mom slaughtered for baby · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, twenty two year old young mom.
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Speaker 1: She has one child, a baby girl. She's about to
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Speaker 1: have another baby already named Braxlin Sage, and what we
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Speaker 1: are learning is one of the most shocking cases I
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Speaker 1: have ever seen. Take a listen to this. Twenty two
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Speaker 1: year old mom, Reagan Hancock and her husband Homer are
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Speaker 1: expecting the birth of their second child in November. Reagan
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Speaker 1: and Homer have a three year old daughter, Kenley Grace.
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Speaker 1: Reagan is very public about her life in general, posting
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Speaker 1: on social media about her husband, her daughter, and of
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Speaker 1: course the upcoming addition to their family. She posts photos
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Speaker 1: of her ultrasound on Facebook, then posts another update saying,
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Speaker 1: some of you know, some of you don't, but we
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Speaker 1: are having another sweet baby girl. We cannot wait for
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Speaker 1: our Braxln Sage to be here. Daddy is definitely outnumbered.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing Dave mac from Crime Online dot Com. I'm
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Speaker 1: listening to what she's posting on Facebook. Guys, let me
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Speaker 1: introduce to you an all star panel with me to
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Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. First
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Speaker 1: of all, North Carolina family law attorney and I always
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Speaker 1: marvel at the name family Law that makes it sound
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Speaker 1: so cozy and sweet and kind. It's anything, but you
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Speaker 1: got to be a tiger to get in the ring
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Speaker 1: between two people in the middle of a divorce. That's
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Speaker 1: what family law is. Kathleen Murphy joining me, North Carolina
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Speaker 1: at NC Domestic Law dot com. Therapist to the Star,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall's psycho analyst. Joining me. Karen Smith, LA
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Speaker 1: California Forensics expert Lecture University, Florida, and the host of
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Speaker 1: Shattered Souls podcast dot Kendall Crowns, a deputy medical examiner
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Speaker 1: Travis County. That's Austin, Texas, and special guests joining me
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Speaker 1: from wc IV ABC four and Emerson you know first
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Speaker 1: to you, doctor Bethany. You remember when I was pregnant
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Speaker 1: with the twins and I would save every ultrasound. I've
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Speaker 1: got them right now. Some are in a photo album
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Speaker 1: and some are still in my Bible where I would
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Speaker 1: put them and pray about the twins because it was
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Speaker 1: very touch and go whether the three of us would
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Speaker 1: live or not. And I'm just thinking about this. Mom
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Speaker 1: to b Reagan Hancock posting her actually's choking me up
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Speaker 1: a little bit. Posting her ultrasounds just so proud and happy,
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Speaker 1: and she had already picked out a name for the baby,
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Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful name. Braxln Say, Braxlin Say to
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Speaker 1: have one three year old daughter, Kinley Grace, and the
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Speaker 1: next was Braxlin Sage. Now you know, Bethanie. They put
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Speaker 1: a lot of time and thought into this, because I
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Speaker 1: can tell by the spelling it's Kinley k y n
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Speaker 1: l e e Grace. Kinley Grace is their three year
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Speaker 1: old girl. The baby to b Braxln Sage b r
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Speaker 1: a x l y n. And it sounds like they
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Speaker 1: put together family names and came up with Braxln Sage. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: You and I have covered so many stories about women
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Speaker 1: who do not bond with their babies, who throw their
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Speaker 1: babies in the trash, flush them down the toilet. For
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Speaker 1: whom the baby is an it, not a person, not
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Speaker 1: this family. This is not that kind of a crime story.
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Speaker 1: This is a woman for whom the baby is a person.
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Speaker 1: From the moment of inception. She is pregnant and bonded
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Speaker 1: with this baby. This baby is already a part of
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Speaker 1: the family. She has a three year old. Can you
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Speaker 1: imagine her letting the three year old pass the tummy
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Speaker 1: and hug her and say, your baby, little sister is
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Speaker 1: in here. This baby is loved, wanted and being welcomed
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Speaker 1: into the world from the moment she knew she was pregnant.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's hardwired into all of us to want
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Speaker 1: to survive, and bonding with our babies is a part
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Speaker 1: of that hardwiring. Sometimes it goes awry with some of
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Speaker 1: the crimes you cover. Oh no, not this family. And
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Speaker 1: this is an intact family, parents who are married, extended family, sonograms, pictures.
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Speaker 1: The word wanted keeps coming to mind. This is in
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Speaker 1: a world of so much misery in twenty twenty, this
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Speaker 1: is a wanted baby, a mother who wants to bring
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Speaker 1: the baby into the world. You know, Kathleen Murphy Family Law,
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Speaker 1: you're joining me out of North Carolina. I was just
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Speaker 1: right before I got in the chair. I was just
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Speaker 1: talking about how my twins are about turn thirteen. I
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Speaker 1: can't believe it, and I'm already bemoaning, not in front
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Speaker 1: of them, that I've only got about six more years
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Speaker 1: with them before, God willing, they make it through high
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Speaker 1: school and they get to go to college. And I
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Speaker 1: was moaning and complaining that I don't want them to go.
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Speaker 1: I mean I do. Part of me, of course, wants
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Speaker 1: them to go to college and be free and successful
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Speaker 1: and all that, but the thought of them not being
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Speaker 1: in my life. I mean, my point is your love
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Speaker 1: for your child. It's unlike anything I've ever known, and
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Speaker 1: it starts with the baby in your stomach. It really
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Speaker 1: did for me. Anyway. I have four Nancy, and I
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Speaker 1: only have one left at home, and one of my
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Speaker 1: daughters has a one year old already, and I just
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Speaker 1: feel so bad for this family. And you know, Bethy
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Speaker 1: said something about the families an intact family, and I
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Speaker 1: deal with a lot of families that are involved in
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Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol and separation and divorces. To see that
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Speaker 1: this child was with their mother and father, an in
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Speaker 1: intact family and have such a close relationship with extended families, heartbroken.
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Speaker 1: And I can't imagine this poor little child growing up
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Speaker 1: without her mama. I'm just so sick about the whole thing. Guys,
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Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our friend
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Speaker 1: Dave Matt at crime online dot com. Friday morning, around
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Speaker 1: ten am, a Texas trooper pulls over a speeding driver.
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Speaker 1: As he approaches the car, he asked the driver why
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Speaker 1: she's in such a rush. The woman, twenty seven year
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Speaker 1: old Taylor Parker of Simms, Texas, says she has just
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Speaker 1: given birth and her newborn baby, which is in the car,
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Speaker 1: is not breathing. The trooper immediately goes into life saving
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Speaker 1: mode as he performs CPR on the baby and calls
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Speaker 1: for an ambulance. EMTs arrive and the baby is rushed
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Speaker 1: to the nearest hospital, mccurt Memorial Hospital in Oklahoma. The trooper,
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Speaker 1: EMTs and doctors all do their best, but the little
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Speaker 1: baby dies in the emergency room. Meanwhile, a doctor checks
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Speaker 1: out Taylor Parker and quickly knows the twenty seven year
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Speaker 1: old is in serious trouble. She's in serious trouble. All
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Speaker 1: right again, guys, this is Crime Stories, and I want
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Speaker 1: to thank you for being with us. You know, there
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Speaker 1: were times when I first started prosecuting felonies in inner
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Speaker 1: city Atlanta. At the beginning, I would try to sugarcoat facts,
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Speaker 1: airbrush them because I thought it was just too much
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Speaker 1: for a jury to take in. I learned very quickly,
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Speaker 1: and I learned it the hard way too. I I
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Speaker 1: had an aggravated assault, armed robbery of a stripper, a
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Speaker 1: stripper was the victim, and I thought, wow, you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't care, but I've got this deeply religious lady
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Speaker 1: on my jury, and just to fright, she may hold
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Speaker 1: it against a stripper that she's just stripper. So instead
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Speaker 1: of asking the stripper on the stand, you know, what
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Speaker 1: do you do for a living? I just said, well,
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Speaker 1: what do you like to do in your spare time?
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Speaker 1: And where do you go to church? And it didn't
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Speaker 1: take ten minutes for that jury to figure out she
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Speaker 1: was a stripper. I learned the hard way because I
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Speaker 1: almost lost credibility with the jury. I didn't got a conviction.
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Speaker 1: But long story short, these facts sometimes are very very
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Speaker 1: difficult to take in and for me to even talk
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Speaker 1: to you about, but they are the truth and I
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Speaker 1: learned that day in front of that jury you cannot
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Speaker 1: hide from the truth. And what happened to Reagan Hancock
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Speaker 1: is not what you would want for anyone, much less
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Speaker 1: a mother to be climb stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about just a gorgeous twenty two year old
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Speaker 1: young mom. She has one child, a baby girl. She's
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Speaker 1: about to have another baby already named Braxlin Sage, and
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Speaker 1: the family looks for all at all the normal places.
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Speaker 1: You know, did she go to the grocery store, did
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Speaker 1: she go down the street, did she go to her
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Speaker 1: mom's house, did she go here? Did she go there?
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Speaker 1: Because as much freedom as we have, haven't you noticed,
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Speaker 1: Karen Smith's joining me, forensics expert and host of Shatter
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Speaker 1: Soul's podcast, that even though we're free to go wherever
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Speaker 1: you want in this great country of ours, we still
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Speaker 1: operate in a little I mean I hate to even
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Speaker 1: get on the interstate, much less when I'm with the Twins,
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Speaker 1: we operate in an area with which we're familiar. That's
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Speaker 1: just human nature. Yes, Karen, I love taking the Wins
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Speaker 1: on camping trips all over the country. I love hitting
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Speaker 1: the trail and hiking and going out in the RV
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Speaker 1: and camping under the stars. I love it. But in
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Speaker 1: my regular life, I got school home. We're at school home, church,
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Speaker 1: we're at school home, we're at school home. I mean,
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Speaker 1: we have a territory. I guess you'd prefer to it
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Speaker 1: as and she was in none of those places. Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: That's right. We have our bubble. Everybody does. And when
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Speaker 1: we were in police training, don't stop at the same
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Speaker 1: coffee stop, don't park your car in the same place.
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Speaker 1: You have to change up that routine and it's a
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Speaker 1: safety issue well as human beings, we don't do that,
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Speaker 1: and it's really hard to get out of those patterns
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Speaker 1: and then listen to this. After leaving the hospital, troopers
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Speaker 1: here reports that a pregnant woman was murdered and her
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Speaker 1: baby taken from her womb, not far from where the
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Speaker 1: speeding driver had been stopped earlier. Police returned to the hospital,
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Speaker 1: where the doctor tells them the woman did not give birth.
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Speaker 1: Officers arrest Taylor Parker, who immediately confessed to the murder
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Speaker 1: of Reagan Hancock and the kidnapping of Braxlin. Sage asked why,
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Speaker 1: she reportedly tells officers that she told her boyfriend several
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Speaker 1: months ago that she was pregnant and they even had
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Speaker 1: a gender reveal party. Parker has two children, ages six
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Speaker 1: and ten, and told officers she didn't know Hancock that
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Speaker 1: well and only knew her by her first name. You
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Speaker 1: know what, I'm almost speechless straight out to our special
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Speaker 1: guest and Emerson joining me WIV ABC four, and I
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Speaker 1: hardly know where to start. Let me marshal my thoughts.
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Speaker 1: I understand that Reagan's mother walked into the home and
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Speaker 1: what happened. She saw this grizzly murder of her daughter.
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Speaker 1: She finds her daughter's body and because there is so
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Speaker 1: much obviously it is such a grizzly scene because this
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Speaker 1: she she sees that she has has shed bleeding profusely
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Speaker 1: and um and at that point, of course, the baby
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Speaker 1: has already been cut out of her her the the
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Speaker 1: suspect had forcibly cut the feat us from her womb.
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Speaker 1: But we also have reports that her daughter had been
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Speaker 1: beaten and stabbed to death as well. So it was
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Speaker 1: a grizzly, horrific scene that she must have come up on.
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Speaker 1: From what we understand, there were two more members of
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Speaker 1: the family who came in right afterwards, and that's when
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Speaker 1: the call was made to police. Of course, the nine
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Speaker 1: one one call to police to uh to come come quickly.
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Speaker 1: Now that's when this started a whole, a whole series
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Speaker 1: of events, of course, because in real time we have
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Speaker 1: another woman being stopped as we just heard. Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: know what, you know what. Anne Emerson joined me WIV
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Speaker 1: ABC four. When it was first reported by Dave Mackett
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Speaker 1: Crime Online, he said a doctor checked out Taylor and
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Speaker 1: Morton and quickly knows the twenty seven year old is
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Speaker 1: in serious trouble. Many people would have believed that means
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Speaker 1: medical trouble, right, because she's got the baby girl, the
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Speaker 1: infant newborn in the backseat, not breathing, covered in blood.
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Speaker 1: They rush the baby, they try to do CPR, and
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Speaker 1: the baby they rushed to the hospital. They take her
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Speaker 1: to the hospital and the doctors say she Taylor Parker,
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Speaker 1: twenty seven years old, is a serious trouble. At first,
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Speaker 1: you think from giving birth she's gonna die too, But
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Speaker 1: that's not what they meant, Anne Emerson, is it absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: I mean, they're starting to realize that she never gave birth.
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Speaker 1: That's when she's checked out there. She's showing no signs
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Speaker 1: at giving birth, So why does she have a baby
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Speaker 1: who is not being in the back of her car.
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Speaker 1: So as soon as they get there, they realize, as
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Speaker 1: real time starts playing out, they've got two events that
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Speaker 1: are happening very close to each other. She is over
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Speaker 1: that Oklahoma line from what we understand from police, but
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Speaker 1: that is not far from what just happened. This very
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Speaker 1: very grisly murder with Reagan Hancock and the discovery that's
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Speaker 1: just been made. By one pm. Of course, the suspect
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Speaker 1: is already in custody with police, and it's too much
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Speaker 1: to take in. The mom walks in and she sees
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Speaker 1: her twenty two year old daughters home covered in blood,
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Speaker 1: and there is Reagan, who is over seven months pregnant
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Speaker 1: dead to doctor Kendall Crown's deputy medical Examiner Travis County,
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Speaker 1: that is Austin, Texas, a renowned medical examiner. I might
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Speaker 1: add doctor Crowns. When I was giving birth came an emergency.
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Speaker 1: The twins were extremely premature, and I remember Doctor Crowns.
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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever told you this. I was
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Speaker 1: in such bad shape, David. My husband dropped me at
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Speaker 1: the front door of the hospital. You couldn't part there,
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Speaker 1: of course, so he left to go part the car.
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Speaker 1: I walked in, Doctor Crowns. I went about three or
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Speaker 1: four steps. I couldn't walk anymore. I laid down under
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Speaker 1: a bench in the reception area of the hospital, like
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Speaker 1: the lobby where everybody comes in and out, and laid
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Speaker 1: under the bench. I can hardly I remember it, but
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Speaker 1: I can't quite remember it. You know, I must have
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Speaker 1: been out of my mind to lay on that floor
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Speaker 1: under a bench. I mean, can you even imagine Jackie
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Speaker 1: me walking into a hospital and going in. I could
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Speaker 1: not stand up anymore. I could not even make it
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Speaker 1: to the desk. And I'm just thinking about this young
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Speaker 1: mom over seven months pregnant, and someone taken advantage of
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Speaker 1: her this way. She couldn't even fight back. I'm working
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Speaker 1: out to a point, not a grounds. And it was
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Speaker 1: such an emergency that we had to have a C
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Speaker 1: section right then, right then. And I remember I couldn't
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Speaker 1: see everything that was happened, but there was a lot
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Speaker 1: of blood. I remember that doctor Kendall Crowns describe what
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Speaker 1: that scene would have been like and why. Okay, so
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Speaker 1: usually pregnant women have a higher circulating amount of blood
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Speaker 1: than your average person. Average person has around two to
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Speaker 1: three leaders of blood, so to say, so several pop
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Speaker 1: bottles of blood circulating in their system. I given, when
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Speaker 1: you say several, what do you mean by that? Like
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Speaker 1: two to three leaders. So if you get a Leader
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Speaker 1: soda bottle at the grocery store I came from, I
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Speaker 1: call that a super bottle. Oh, a super bottle. Every
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Speaker 1: region is different. I call it a Leader pop bottle.
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Speaker 1: But everybody's different. The thing is is you have a
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Speaker 1: high amount of circulating blood, so they are cutting into
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Speaker 1: the individual to take out the baby. The just the
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Speaker 1: mere stamping into the abdomen, I was going to start
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Speaker 1: causing massive amounts of hemorrhage. Climb stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Guys are talking about the death of a gorgeous young
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Speaker 1: mom twenty two years old. She's got one baby, girl,
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Speaker 1: a taught and she is seven months pregnant with her
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Speaker 1: next baby. Braxland Sage back to doctor Kennel Crowd's Deputy
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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner, Travis County. That's Austin, Texas. You were saying
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Speaker 1: the uterus is highly vascular. Now break it down. I'm
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Speaker 1: just a JD. I'm not an MD like you, but
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Speaker 1: I think that means has a lot of blood vessels. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's correct. It has a large amount of blood vessels
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Speaker 1: to go to the uterus, and especially when a woman
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Speaker 1: is pregnant, there's a lot of blood going to the
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Speaker 1: to the uterus to supply the baby with nutrients and oxygen.
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Speaker 1: So when you get into the uterus, it begins bleeding profusely,
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Speaker 1: and then as they're trying to rip the baby out
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Speaker 1: of the mother. They're also going to be tearing the
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Speaker 1: placenta as well, which is another very vascular, highly a
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Speaker 1: blood vessel organ. And the placenta is like a balloon,
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Speaker 1: like a blanket balloon, a balloon made of a I
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Speaker 1: don't know how to say it. Would you say the
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Speaker 1: placenta is I always think of it as like a
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Speaker 1: soft cushion around the baby, but it's made up of
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Speaker 1: blood tissue. Is that right? That's a good way of
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Speaker 1: describing it. And it protects the baby and feeds the baby, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you can explain it much better than may.
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Speaker 1: They did not teach us in criminal law, so go ahead, yeah, correct.
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Speaker 1: It protects from mild plunt trauma and not from stabbing trauma.
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Speaker 1: Then it provides blood, oxygen and nutrients to the baby
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Speaker 1: until the baby is born. So if they're ripping that open,
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Speaker 1: they're also tearing them senseless. So that's all going to
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Speaker 1: cause a great amount of hemorrhage that's going to come
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Speaker 1: out of the mother and spill out onto the floor.
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Speaker 1: It'd be like opening up one of your super bottles
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Speaker 1: and just pouring it all over the house, and then
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Speaker 1: opening another one and pouring it all over the house.
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Speaker 1: So it's incredibly bloody and incredibly messy. These these people
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Speaker 1: that ripped babies out of people's stomachs like this create
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Speaker 1: an incredibly bloody scenes and they're they're horrifying. It's like
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Speaker 1: walking into a bomb that went off that was full
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Speaker 1: of blood. You know, doctor Colonel Crowns, that's my fault.
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Speaker 1: I asked you, and you tell me never asked me. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: no idea, because you'll tell me the exact truth. I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at her right now. She's just so happy, and
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Speaker 1: she's so excited about the baby, knowing that she's pregnant.
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Speaker 1: And in the picture she looks like she's looking up
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Speaker 1: thinking about the baby, and she's you know, superimposed hearts
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Speaker 1: all around it. And I'm just thinking about the horrible,
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Speaker 1: gory crime scene that doctor Kendall Crowns just described. And
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Speaker 1: you know what, I was disappointed, Jackie that the mom
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Speaker 1: couldn't join us today. Reagan Hancock's mother was joining us,
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Speaker 1: and then right before we went to air, she was
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Speaker 1: so overcome with grief she just couldn't keep talking. And
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Speaker 1: in a way, doctor Kendall Crowns, in a way, I'm
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Speaker 1: glad because for her to hear what you just said
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Speaker 1: would be just devastating. Of course she saw it. She's
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Speaker 1: the one that walked in, isn't that right? Anne Emerson WCIV.
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Speaker 1: Didn't her mother get to the home first? Yes, And
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Speaker 1: she actually posted about it on go fund me thunderings
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Speaker 1: and that's how we learned and that's how it was reported.
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Speaker 1: She said that she walked in on the scene and
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Speaker 1: then was closely followed by two more two more family friends.
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Speaker 1: Thank goodness, she was not alone for very long. What
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Speaker 1: does she is that, Kathleen going at Kathleen, it's Bathanny.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupt, but I'm just thinking about the
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Speaker 1: fact that two mothers lost her babies. I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: like those Russian dolls, a doll and a doll and
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Speaker 1: a doll. It's like loss compounded by loss. And you
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Speaker 1: can you imagine this Taylor Parker who rips a baby
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Speaker 1: from Reagan Hancock. She thinks she's going to be a mother,
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Speaker 1: but she plunges a knife into another woman's belly, not
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Speaker 1: even knowing if she's going to hit the fetus or
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Speaker 1: hit the baby, thinking that she's going to care for
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Speaker 1: that baby. Let me talk about the maternal instinct gone awry.
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Speaker 1: This Taylor Parker would in not so psychotic. It's so
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Speaker 1: in the moment without regard for life in general. It's
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Speaker 1: the opposite of what it means to be a mother.
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Speaker 1: It's like the anti mother. You know, doctor Bethany, You're
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Speaker 1: so right. And now the perp of the alleged perp,
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Speaker 1: Taylor Parker already had children. I want to follow up
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Speaker 1: on something, doctor Kendall Crown, said, deputy medical examined Travis County, Texas, Austin.
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Speaker 1: When you are cutting into a stomach, of course, I
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Speaker 1: know that doctors don't cut up and down. I think
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Speaker 1: they used to maybe, but now they do a cut like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe three or four inches horizontally at
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Speaker 1: way down on the stomach. And what I'm trying to
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Speaker 1: figure out is, if you are not a medical doctor
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Speaker 1: and you are cutting into someone's stomach, how do you
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Speaker 1: not cut the baby. It's really hard because they're the
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Speaker 1: babies literally less than a quarter inch or millimeters from
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Speaker 1: the skin surface. So when they're cutting into them, they
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Speaker 1: I mean, they're risking cutting the baby as well. It's
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Speaker 1: it's a it's amazing that they don't end up cutting
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Speaker 1: the baby, and often they do cut into the child
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Speaker 1: as well when they're in there, they're trying to get
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Speaker 1: the kid out, so it's it's you know, they're not
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Speaker 1: they're not skilled surgeons. When they're doing it, it's just
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Speaker 1: brutal and it's messy, and if they they often make
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Speaker 1: the mistake and cut the child as well. Nancy, go ahead, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it's Anne Emerson. You know. It was something else that
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Speaker 1: I'm we've been trying to sort of reconcile from the
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Speaker 1: reporting standpoint, is that when Taylor Parker was found by
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Speaker 1: the police, she said she just knew her by her
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Speaker 1: first name, that she she thought they were the same age.
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Speaker 1: And then you have um on the PayPal fund set
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Speaker 1: up for four Reagan. By Um, the mother says that
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Speaker 1: that Hancock and her on board baby were selfishly killed
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Speaker 1: by someone Reagan considered a friend. In fact, her mother
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Speaker 1: called the murder a satan and flesh, which really resonated
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Speaker 1: with zachro Batany what she was saying about this anti
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Speaker 1: mother sort of um persona. And it's just interesting to
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Speaker 1: me that there's still two stories out there right now
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Speaker 1: that are that are being reported. One from the mother
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Speaker 1: who said, actually she knew her very well, um, and
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Speaker 1: we're trying. We're now, of course going to find out
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Speaker 1: as as as we investigate this. I know the Texas
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Speaker 1: Rangers are investigating this. How well did she know her
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Speaker 1: or did she think she knew her because she was
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Speaker 1: on social media crime stories with Nancy Grace? How did
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Speaker 1: this happen? Who is this Taylor Parker, a twenty seven
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Speaker 1: year old mother of two? What more do we know
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Speaker 1: about her? Let's hear our friend Kate Johnson, CBS eleven.
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Speaker 1: Dallas police are investigating after a woman was found dead
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Speaker 1: in her home after her unborn child was removed from
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Speaker 1: her womb Friday morning. Police in New Boston, which is
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Speaker 1: about twenty four miles west of Texas Arcana, say they
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Speaker 1: responded around ten twenty in the morning. The woman was
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Speaker 1: found dead inside the home. The child also did not survive.
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Speaker 1: Police say they arrested a female suspect in Oklahoma right now.
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Speaker 1: Details are limited, but the New Boston Police Department and
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Speaker 1: Texas Rangers are investigating. And here is Doug Warner. KSLA
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Speaker 1: twelve police and Idabelle, Oklahoma, have arrested a woman accused
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Speaker 1: and a vicious attack on a pregnant woman in New Boston, Texas.
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Speaker 1: Again a warning, some of the details of this case
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Speaker 1: are extremely disturbing. It happened at a home on Austin Street. Now,
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Speaker 1: sources tell KSLA a woman forcibly removed the fetus from
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Speaker 1: another woman's womb. Those sources tell us the pregnant woman
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Speaker 1: has died. Police in Oklahoma say the woman who allegedly
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Speaker 1: attacked her showed up at a hospital in Idabelle with
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Speaker 1: the fetus. That baby has also died. That female suspect
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Speaker 1: has been arrested, charged with murder of the unborn child
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Speaker 1: and kidnapping. More charges are likely. Reagan Hancock, twenty two,
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Speaker 1: was seven and a half months pregnant, found by her
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Speaker 1: mother and her New Boston home. There in Texas, she
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Speaker 1: already had a daughter, A taught But to you and
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Speaker 1: Emmerson w CIV, ABC four, what can you tell me
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Speaker 1: about the alleged killer who I assume is going to
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Speaker 1: be charged with double murder? Taylor Parker? What do we
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Speaker 1: know about her? Well, it's what she says she knows
26:43
Speaker 1: about this other woman, Reagan Hancock. We do know that
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Speaker 1: she has reportedly confessed she had told her brother or
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Speaker 1: her boyfriend that she was pregnant. In fact, there are
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Speaker 1: reports that she'd had a gender revealed party for her
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Speaker 1: that she was pregnant, and then the suspect had already
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Speaker 1: had two children. Wait wait, wait right there. Karen Smith,
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Speaker 1: forensics expert lecturer University Florida, hosted Shadowsl's podcast Wait Till
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Speaker 1: a Jury. Here's that as part of her grand charade,
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Speaker 1: she had already had a gender reveal party all the while. No,
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Speaker 1: she's not pregnant. I mean, did her plan to murder
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Speaker 1: Reagan Hancock and take her baby go all the way
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Speaker 1: back to the gender reveal party? I probably formulated there.
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Speaker 1: I mean, now she's told a blatant line. This is premeditated, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: You know she was stabbed. Where did the knife come from?
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Speaker 1: This is not something that was just at the spur
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Speaker 1: of the moment. This was the planned murder for her
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Speaker 1: to take this baby and try to pass it off
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Speaker 1: as her own. We've seen this before, and you know
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Speaker 1: what really disturbs me about this whole thing is that
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Speaker 1: it happened in this young woman's own home where she
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Speaker 1: thought she was safe. And apparently this Taylor Parker must
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Speaker 1: have known her better than just knowing her first name,
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Speaker 1: they were the same age. I don't buy it. I
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Speaker 1: don't buy it at all. This was premeditated. This was slammed,
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Speaker 1: and she thought she was going to get away and
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Speaker 1: she didn't. Nancy, if I could jump in about this, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: this is the most common m O. When a woman
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Speaker 1: attacks another pregnant woman and rips the baby from the tummy,
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Speaker 1: you almost always see that it began nine months earlier,
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Speaker 1: ten to eleven months earlier, where the perpetrator has either
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Speaker 1: had what we call pseudosiasis, which is a false pregnancy,
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Speaker 1: meaning that she wants to be pregnant so badly that
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Speaker 1: her tummy actually begins to grow. Yes, I've treated as
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Speaker 1: patience for home that has happened, or they have faith
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Speaker 1: a pregnancy to get attention. You and I covered a
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Speaker 1: story many years ago, probably ten or fifteen years ago,
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Speaker 1: of a woman who wanted a baby so badly she
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Speaker 1: actually bought a prosthesis so that she would look pregnant,
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Speaker 1: and then she threw herself a baby shower, and you
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Speaker 1: know it put out on Facebook into the entire community
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Speaker 1: that she was pregnant. But then then it gets to
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Speaker 1: the point where the woman is supposed to deliver and
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Speaker 1: there's no baby, and I'm never quite sure if the
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Speaker 1: plan is hatched from the moment the perpetrator pretends to
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Speaker 1: be pregnant, or if they tell themselves that they're pregnant,
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Speaker 1: and then when there's no baby, they have to procure
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Speaker 1: one to either hold on to the love of the
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Speaker 1: boyfriend or the husband, or to save face in the community.
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Speaker 1: It's a very very complex and multilayered brutal attacks on
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Speaker 1: pregnant women. You know, we've even heard of somewhere they
29:41
Speaker 1: will prey on pregnant women by pretending to be giving
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Speaker 1: away baby clothes and cribs and strollers and things like that,
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Speaker 1: just to lure in the pregnant woman in an unsuspecting
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Speaker 1: kind of way. Doctor Bethany Marshall, you read my mind.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut number four Natalie Martinez
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Speaker 1: NBC five. Chicago prosecutors alleged that the Figaroas lured nineteen
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Speaker 1: year old mom to be Marline Ochoa to their Ashburn
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Speaker 1: home with the promise of baby clothes for her unborn son.
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Speaker 1: Having met before Ochoa showed up on April twenty third,
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Speaker 1: Desiree admittedly distracting Marlin with a photo album of Clarissa's
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Speaker 1: adult son who died naturally two years ago, Bennon. Clarissa
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Speaker 1: wrapped a cable around her hands and then wrapped it
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Speaker 1: around the victim's neck from behind her. The victim attempted
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Speaker 1: to stop defending Clarissa and was able to place her
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Speaker 1: fingers between her neck and the cable. At that point,
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Speaker 1: defending Clarissa told defendant desiree quote, you're not doing your job.
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Speaker 1: Prosecutors say Clarissa got on top of Marline, continuing to
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Speaker 1: strangle her for up to five minutes. Having researched how
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Speaker 1: long it takes for someone to die that way, they
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Speaker 1: allegedly cut baby Yovanni from Marlin's body, stuffed her in
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Speaker 1: a plastic bag and a hidden garbage can outside. Clarissa
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Speaker 1: claimed the baby, with some bilical ordon placenta attached, was hers.
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Speaker 1: Her boyfriend accused of helping to hide the murder and
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Speaker 1: evidence at the home where tonight a memorial grows. In
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Speaker 1: that case, Marlin Achoa was lured by the promise of
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Speaker 1: cheap or free, gently used baby clothes, and it was
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Speaker 1: there she was murdered. The baby taken from her stomach,
31:22
Speaker 1: but the one I think you're talking about to doctor
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Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall is another case. Listen to Chris burg KVY
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Speaker 1: Channel eleven TV Fargo. The thing is she was a homebody.
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Speaker 1: She was eight months pregnant. You know, she was uncomfortable
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Speaker 1: at that her feet were swollen. That's you wouldn't leave anymore.
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Speaker 1: She always got mad at me for leaving by myself.
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Speaker 1: She would never go anywhere alone. So was she at
31:55
Speaker 1: your house at one thirty on Saturday? And she just
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Speaker 1: left for running heir in or lives with me. She
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Speaker 1: went to help a neighbor and right upstairs. That's the
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Speaker 1: last we've heard from her, from her seeing her or
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Speaker 1: her from her since I'm as seeing you and your
32:12
Speaker 1: authorities have spoken to this neighbor. And what's the neighbors
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Speaker 1: say that she left? That is about Savannah gray Wind
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Speaker 1: listening to Angelie McCall Debuda ytvni's Fargo. God, we have
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Speaker 1: a miracle. Can we have a disaster? All in water?
32:29
Speaker 1: The search went full speed ahead. Hunt spent hours scouring
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Speaker 1: the region, going in groups to cover as much ground
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Speaker 1: as possible. Day eight, Sunday, a second crime scene was
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Speaker 1: set up. What searchers had been looking for was found.
32:43
Speaker 1: The kayakers in the river discovered what appeared to be
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Speaker 1: a life or a body sized object wrapped in plastic
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Speaker 1: in the river, hung up on a log. Those who
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Speaker 1: had stayed optimistic finally letting go of any hope of
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Speaker 1: finding Vanna Aline Savannah Graywind as well as Marlin Showa,
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Speaker 1: both victims of the same type of murder. To you,
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Speaker 1: Ann Emerson, what is the status of Taylor Parker, age
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Speaker 1: twenty seven Now? From what we've been told, she has
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Speaker 1: been she had confessed to the crime and was being
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Speaker 1: held and Texas Rangers are still investigating how this happened.
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Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that this type of crime is increasing.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bessie Marshall, I still don't get the motivation. I mean,
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Speaker 1: if you don't succeed, do you just try again with
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Speaker 1: another pregnant lady? You know what, Nancy, These women are obsessed.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember a patron of my practice, maybe
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Speaker 1: about twenty years ago, who was so obsessed with having
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Speaker 1: a baby. That's all she could talk about. She thought
33:47
Speaker 1: about it, she dreamt about it. Now, this woman, interestingly,
33:50
Speaker 1: had never had a love relationship, had never had sex,
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Speaker 1: She was very immature, but she was so preoccupied with
33:57
Speaker 1: having a baby, that she recruited her own mother to
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Speaker 1: come into the therapy and to plead with the mother
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Speaker 1: to help her find a man. So we think of
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Speaker 1: like Ochoa, who she and her mother conspire together to
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Speaker 1: kill the perpetrator often and then the boyfriend comes in
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Speaker 1: and conspires These women who are so desperate to have babies,
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Speaker 1: they often recruit the entire community. And as I was
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Speaker 1: saying earlier, in reality, it has nothing to do with
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Speaker 1: the unborn baby, because, as the medical examiner pointed out,
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Speaker 1: when they slashed the woman open hip to hit bone,
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Speaker 1: they barely miss the baby. This is about procuring an
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Speaker 1: object to control, not about a baby to love, and
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Speaker 1: procuring the love of the community in a sick twisted way.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds for the double killer, confessed
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Speaker 1: Taylor Parker, age twenty seven. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.