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The Kenny Report | 9 March · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report,
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  Speaker 1: the Iran War having a huge say on global economics.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight. The Iran War hitting home
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  Speaker 1: with pedrol prices up, stock market down, and decisions to
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  Speaker 1: be made for our military and visiting Iranians. Shadow Foreign
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  Speaker 1: Minister Ted O'Brien will join me and I'll cross live
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  Speaker 1: to Israel, the ABC's take on anti Israel and anti
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  Speaker 1: Semitic broadcasts. Germany stands up for Israel, and I'll catch
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  Speaker 1: up with Jared Herey, who's taking up the fight against
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  Speaker 1: anti Jewish sentiment in the sporting world. Shocking crime dominating
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  Speaker 1: the new cycle in Victoria again with the tragic killing
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  Speaker 1: of a good Samaritan. I'll catch up with Shadow Police
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  Speaker 1: Minister Brad Batten all that, plus Gematone Uni and Caroline
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  Speaker 1: de Roussou, and they'll also look at Pauline Hansen's on again,
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  Speaker 1: off again view US on forminga coalition. We're now well
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  Speaker 1: into the second week of this war against Iran, Operation
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  Speaker 1: Epic Fury. The Americans call it an offense by the
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  Speaker 1: US and Israel to remove the odious threat of Iran's
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  Speaker 1: theocratic dictatorship. That's killed Americans, Israelis, and others in their
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  Speaker 1: thousands over forty seven years, both directly and through proxy
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  Speaker 1: terrorist armies. This is a regime that is unashamedly anti
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  Speaker 1: Semitic and apocalyptic, and as American presidents Republican and Democrat
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  Speaker 1: have said for decades, it had to be stopped before
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  Speaker 1: it developed nuclear weapons because that would mean the end
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  Speaker 1: of Israel for starters and of course global trauma. After
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  Speaker 1: more than two years of war against Iran's proxies Hamas
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  Speaker 1: and Hesbalah, now it's become the time to eliminate this threat.
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  Speaker 1: None of this is easy, none of this should be necessary.
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  Speaker 1: But the anti Trump, anti US, and anti Israel lot
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  Speaker 1: never offer a viable alternative. Iran has funded and encouraged
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  Speaker 1: the slaughter of innocence. Iran has funded and enabled the
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  Speaker 1: bombardment of Israel with missiles for the past decade or more.
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  Speaker 1: Iran has attacked US interest. Iran has set fire It's
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  Speaker 1: a synagogues and businesses in Australia for crying out loud,
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  Speaker 1: how were they going to be stopped? The UN forget
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  Speaker 1: it diplomacy? Well, remember Barack Obama's deal. He claimed that
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  Speaker 1: he'd fixed it all. Instead, his deal handed Iran tens
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  Speaker 1: of billions of dollars. It only hurt the West in
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  Speaker 1: the end. We are here today for one reason because
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  Speaker 1: of the mad Mullers of Iran, and the people who
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  Speaker 1: know that best are the Iranian people. When was the
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  Speaker 1: last time you saw people cheering bombs and missiles coming
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  Speaker 1: in against their own country? And now the Mullas have
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  Speaker 1: installed a new supreme leader, the hard line son of
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  Speaker 1: Aatola Ali Khameni Mushteba. Comeaning now, when the Mullers of
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  Speaker 1: Iran call you hard line, that means something. There are
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  Speaker 1: reports out of Iran that many people are already chanting
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  Speaker 1: for him to be assassinated, and in this environment they
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  Speaker 1: might get their wish. The bombardment of Iran's military installations,
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  Speaker 1: it's government infrastructure, and critical oil infrastructure is not relenting.
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  Speaker 1: Iran's efforts to broaden the war attacking the Golf States
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  Speaker 1: are of course a deep worry. Either they want to
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  Speaker 1: spark a Site versus Sunni war and get support from
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  Speaker 1: Iraq's majority Shehite militias, or they want the Golf States
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  Speaker 1: to fight, sparking a wider war that could bring in
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  Speaker 1: more support for Iran from Russia or China. Who knows
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  Speaker 1: trying to ascribe rational considerations to Iran fraud. This is
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  Speaker 1: not a rational regime, which is why the complete destruction
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  Speaker 1: of its military capabilities is the baseline outcome for the West.
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  Speaker 1: If the regime doesn't fall, if it doesn't surrender, and
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  Speaker 1: its people fail to overthrow it, then the US and
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  Speaker 1: Israel will ensure it no longer has the capacity to
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  Speaker 1: wreak the havoc it has over recent decades. Just on this,
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  Speaker 1: will Australia help defend the Golf states? Apparently the request
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  Speaker 1: has been made and apparently our government is considering it.
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  Speaker 2: We have had a request and that our assessment is
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  Speaker 2: going on regarding that, we can't comment anymore on that.
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  Speaker 3: Is that manpower?
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  Speaker 4: Is that military equipment?
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  Speaker 1: Is it supplies? Can you specify which one or all
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  Speaker 1: of them?
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  Speaker 5: Can't go into it?
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  Speaker 6: I can't go into it at the moment, Pete, just
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  Speaker 6: safe to say that requests are being considered.
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  Speaker 5: But who made the request?
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  Speaker 7: Can at least say that.
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  Speaker 5: Now I can't go into that either for national security reasons.
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  Speaker 1: This should take Australia five seconds to respond to. Of
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  Speaker 1: course we should help these Golf States have accommodated Australian
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  Speaker 1: forces for decades now during the Iraq Wars and the
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  Speaker 1: Afghanistan War. This was a great, great help, of course
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  Speaker 1: to Australia and to our allies. Now it's time to
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  Speaker 1: return the favor. Not to mention that trade through that
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  Speaker 1: region is critical to our interests, as petrol price hikes
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  Speaker 1: and stock market falls demonstrate, So we've got every reason
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  Speaker 1: to worry that Albanezi might pull the wrong rain here.
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  Speaker 1: Just over two years ago, this prime minister became the
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  Speaker 1: first to decline a US request for military assistance, declining
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  Speaker 1: to send a ship to the Red Sea to help
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  Speaker 1: patrol and protect shipping coming under attack from who from
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  Speaker 1: Iran and its proxy, the Hooties. So this is where
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  Speaker 1: we are. An Australian socialist left prime minister letting down
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  Speaker 1: our main ally back then, just as the UK has
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  Speaker 1: refused to help the Americans at the start of this
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  Speaker 1: Iran war. When British Prime Minister Kirs Starmer was reconsidering
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  Speaker 1: military assistance late last week, Donald Trump publicly scoffed at it,
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  Speaker 1: saying it wasn't needed and it is support might have
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  Speaker 1: been useful. A couple of weeks earlier when the US
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  Speaker 1: wanted to use British air bases. Now I get it.
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  Speaker 1: These people can't stand Trump, and they know that Trump
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  Speaker 1: isn't popular with their voters. But we're talking about their
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  Speaker 1: major ally here, the leader of the free world, the
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  Speaker 1: United States, and we're talking about an outcome that they
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  Speaker 1: all support, the disarming of the mad regime in Tehran.
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  Speaker 1: And this is an aim that all presidents pretty much
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  Speaker 1: since Jimmy Carter have supported. As I've shown you before, Clinton, Obama, Bush, Biden.
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  Speaker 1: They've all known the threat, They've all promised to deal
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  Speaker 1: with it. Trump is the only one who's followed through.
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  Speaker 7: Look at all the killing that they've done over the years,
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  Speaker 7: for forty seven years, and this had to be done,
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  Speaker 7: so we did the world a favor.
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  Speaker 1: The point is, argue all you like about the timing,
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  Speaker 1: the methods, the retoric, but what's happening now is a
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  Speaker 1: critical fight for Western ci civilization, and of course or
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  Speaker 1: Western liberal democracies. The Iranian regime of terror needs to
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  Speaker 1: be taken down as quickly as possible. The damage to
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  Speaker 1: its population and nearby civilian populations has to be minimized.
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  Speaker 1: And it's in nobody's interests for the war to broaden.
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  Speaker 1: So we should be doing what we can to help
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  Speaker 1: our allies with our words and with our actions. If
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  Speaker 1: we choose to be mere spectators at a time like this,
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  Speaker 1: we might feel very lonely the next time we face
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  Speaker 1: strife ourselves. The fate of the Iranian women's soccer team
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  Speaker 1: is another test for this country and it displays clearly
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  Speaker 1: the terror of the regime in Tehran. I showed you
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  Speaker 1: last week how the team bravely rejected their instructions and
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  Speaker 1: refused to sing Iran's national anthem in their first game
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  Speaker 1: in Australia after the war began. After that, the team
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  Speaker 1: members were described by Iranian state television as wartime traders,
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  Speaker 1: with calls for them to be dealt with severely. The
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  Speaker 1: team is now on the Gold Coast in their hotel,
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  Speaker 1: the women unable to speak for themselves. They played their
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  Speaker 1: final match in the tournament on the Gold Coast against
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  Speaker 1: the Philippines last night, and afterwards members of the Australian
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  Speaker 1: Iranian community gathered to cheer the team and didn announce
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  Speaker 1: the regime. They claim that the women gave them hand
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  Speaker 1: signals that amounted to sos's and please for help, and
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  Speaker 1: the supporters then tried to block the team bus. Now
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  Speaker 1: the team is accompanied, of course by officials. We haven't
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  Speaker 1: been able to speak to any of them to get
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  Speaker 1: their individual views, but some, if not all, of them
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  Speaker 1: might want to claim asylum in Australia if any bids
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  Speaker 1: have been made. The government is not saying.
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  Speaker 8: We stand in solidarity with the men and women of Iran,
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  Speaker 8: and particularly Iranian women and girls. I don't want to
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  Speaker 8: get into commentary about the Iranian women's team. Obviously, this
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  Speaker 8: is a regime that we know has has brutally cracked
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  Speaker 8: down on its people.
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  Speaker 1: If they passed the security requirements and they seek asylum,
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  Speaker 1: then the government should grant them asylum. Because we know
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  Speaker 1: the record that Iran has when it's dealing with women.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to imagine that Australia wouldn't immediately say yes,
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  Speaker 1: just to think about the help they've been giving to
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  Speaker 1: the ISIS brides for crying out loud. But this, of
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  Speaker 1: course will depend on what the true wishes of these
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  Speaker 1: Iranians are and whether they'll get the chance to express them. Surely,
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  Speaker 1: anyone seeing this unfold could have no doubts about the
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  Speaker 1: depravity of the Iranian regime. But that last match the
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  Speaker 1: Iranian team played here yesterday happened to fall on International
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  Speaker 1: Women's Day. And listen to what the United Nations was
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  Speaker 1: pumping out to mark that occasion. Women and girls are
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  Speaker 1: changing the worlds. It's tamed to change the worlds for
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  Speaker 1: women and girls. Yeah, changing the world for women and girls.
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  Speaker 1: Just last month, Gatti's and the UN congratulated Iran on
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  Speaker 1: the anniversary of its Islamic revolution, and the UN has
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  Speaker 1: just installed Iran as vice chair of a committee on
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  Speaker 1: Social Development and another one on the UN Charter itself.
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  Speaker 1: That's not changing the world for women and girls. That's
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  Speaker 1: selling out the women of Iran like those brave soccer
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  Speaker 1: players on the Gold Coast. That's changing the world for
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  Speaker 1: theocratic dictators. As you might have seen that, I wrote
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  Speaker 1: about media coverage of the Iran war in the Weekend Australian,
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  Speaker 1: specifically the biased reporting and analysis on the ABC. It's
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  Speaker 1: astonishing that the public broadcast are the one we pay for,
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  Speaker 1: seems to disregard our national interests as well as the
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  Speaker 1: key moral and strategic questions, and instead focuses on the
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  Speaker 1: quaint notion of the legality of the war. They're so
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with disdain for Donald Trump and Israel that they
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  Speaker 1: overlooked the social and strategic evil of the Iranian theocracy
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  Speaker 1: and ignore the threat it poses to regional and global security,
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  Speaker 1: let alone the rights of the Iranian people, especially the
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  Speaker 1: women and girls. So it wasn't surprising to read in
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  Speaker 1: The Australian Today that complaints to the ABC were up
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  Speaker 1: fifty percent in the second half of last year, mainly
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  Speaker 1: because of complaints about pro Palestinian or anti Israel bias.
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  Speaker 1: This report cited one instance of horrible anti Semitism that
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  Speaker 1: I'm afraid I'd missed. It was last November, and I'll
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  Speaker 1: show it to you. Now. Keep in mind this is
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  Speaker 1: a warning. It's pretty offensive. But also keep in mind
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  Speaker 1: that the ABC onwardsman looked at the complaints and decided
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  Speaker 1: that this was okay. Apparently meets ABC editorial guidelines.
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  Speaker 9: The Social Network opens with Mark Zuckerberg getting dumped by
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  Speaker 9: his girlfriend, who tells him that if girls don't like him,
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  Speaker 9: it's because he's an asshole, not because he's.
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  Speaker 1: A what.
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  Speaker 9: It's wide open, Mike, increat Let's do a wide open quick.
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  Speaker 9: Someone feel the awkward silence.
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  Speaker 1: Time's up. Nerd. Yeah it's now or or for a laugh,
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  Speaker 1: aren't we But this is just vile. It's anti Semitic
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  Speaker 1: bile for a laugh. And if the ABC doesn't think so,
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  Speaker 1: then imagine how it had react if a similar quip
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  Speaker 1: was made about a Muslim, or an aborigine or a homosexual.
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  Speaker 1: Just deplorable. But let me also give you some hope
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to the fight against anti Semitism and
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  Speaker 1: anti Israeli aggression. The Chancellor of Germany, Friedrich Mertz, was
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  Speaker 1: giving a speech two days ago and was interrupted by
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  Speaker 1: pro Palestinian protesters. Here's how he responded.
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  Speaker 1: He was strong, and he was right, and the crowd
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  Speaker 1: appreciated it. He went on demanding that Palestinians lay down
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  Speaker 1: Who could argue with those sentiments? We need more of
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  Speaker 1: that moral clarity. Let's catch up now with the Shadow
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  Speaker 1: Foreign Minister Ted O'Brien. Thanks for joining us, Ted, I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate it. First to the war in Iran and replacing
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  Speaker 1: the outgoing Supreme leader with his son just shows us
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  Speaker 1: that the regime is not going away. This is more
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  Speaker 1: of the same. Do you believe the regime can fall?
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  Speaker 11: Great people with you again, Chris, Look, I know it
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  Speaker 11: could be early days to be drawing a definitive conclusion
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  Speaker 11: about their new supreme leader, but actions speak loud of
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  Speaker 11: the words. He has the full support of that grotesque
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  Speaker 11: terrorist organizations, the iigc's continuing the nuclear program to develop
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  Speaker 11: nuclear armaments. He continues ballistic missile attacks on his neighbors.
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  Speaker 11: They continue to support proxy terrorist organizations, from the Huties
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  Speaker 11: to Hamas to the Hesbalah, and so unfortunately this does
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  Speaker 11: not bode well for the future of Iran, and I'll
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  Speaker 11: suggest that their actions their behavior will only continue under
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  Speaker 11: a new leader.
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  Speaker 1: I want to come to some of the consequences in
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  Speaker 1: Australia when it comes to petrol prices and the like.
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  Speaker 1: But firstly the military situation. Do you believe that Australia
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  Speaker 1: should provide military support to defend the Golf states Chris.
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  Speaker 11: We've called for a briefing from the government. They've agreed
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  Speaker 11: to that, but we're yet to have it, and so
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  Speaker 11: we'll wait to see what they say. Nevertheless, I think
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  Speaker 11: the right starting point is for us to remember that
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  Speaker 11: we have stood by and supported our partners and allies
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  Speaker 11: in times of crisis, just as they have supported us.
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  Speaker 11: That's the starting point. Ultimately, any decision to deploy assets, resources, materials,
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  Speaker 11: any decision has to be made in our national interest
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  Speaker 11: and that'll be the context in which we receive the briefing,
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  Speaker 11: after which we'll be happy to express our opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Look, I don't think the portents are very good when
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  Speaker 1: you consider that Anthony Albanesi rejected the request for a
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  Speaker 1: Navy vessel to help out in protecting shipping in the
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  Speaker 1: Red Sea just over two years ago. And I noticed
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  Speaker 1: that Penny Wong and Anthony Albanesi are very keen distress
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  Speaker 1: that we're looking at only defensive action here. Now, presumably
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  Speaker 1: any deployment to the Golf would only be defensive action.
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking in this case that's probably. While you're always
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  Speaker 1: suspicious of how weak labor are on these issues, in
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  Speaker 1: this case, perhaps a defensive posture is best because you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to see the war broadened out by seeing
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  Speaker 1: those Golf states as aggresses allow them to defend themselves
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  Speaker 1: against Iran, while the war the aggression war of aggression
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  Speaker 1: is with the US and Israel alone when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to when it comes to the attacks on Iran. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you make some really interesting points there, Chris. Firstly, you're right.
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  Speaker 11: My understanding is that the government is only looking at
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  Speaker 11: the deployment of resources or assets in a defensive capacity. Also,
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  Speaker 11: I think you're right in that it's in our interest,
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  Speaker 11: it's in the world's interest that this conflict does not
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  Speaker 11: go on for long, that it is contained as best
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  Speaker 11: as it can be. But I keep coming back to
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  Speaker 11: thinking about the key objectives that were laid out by
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  Speaker 11: the United States and Israel. Here we have a murderous
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  Speaker 11: regime which needs to be prevented from acquiring a nuclear weapon.
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  Speaker 11: That is absolutely key. We need to ensure that that
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  Speaker 11: regime has its ballistic missile capabilities not advanced, but removed.
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  Speaker 11: We need to ensure that they can stop exporting terrorism,
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  Speaker 11: noting that yes, they have sought to export terret on
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  Speaker 11: our shores in Australia, but that's nothing compared to what
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  Speaker 11: they've done elsewhere. So those key objectives remain the objectives
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  Speaker 11: that Australia supported and we should continue to support. But
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  Speaker 11: of course the shorter this conflict goes the better, and
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  Speaker 11: the more it can be contained the better, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Spot on. The sooner those those goals are achieved, the
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  Speaker 1: better for everyone. Let me go to the Iranian soccer
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  Speaker 1: team here. Surely Australia would give them grant them asylum
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  Speaker 1: if they requested it. I would have thought that's a
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  Speaker 1: no brainer. But what should the government be doing to
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  Speaker 1: ensure that they get the opportunity to claim asylum if
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  Speaker 1: they want to?
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  Speaker 11: Chris, I do think that any claims for asylum would
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  Speaker 11: be seriously considered by the government, assuming the various security
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  Speaker 11: and character tests and whatnot, of course, And I do
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  Speaker 11: believe that the Australian people are keenly watching this for
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  Speaker 11: a good reason. I mean, I think the women in
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  Speaker 11: that team demonstrated bravery which was quite extraordinary.
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  Speaker 1: There's no doubt. I'm sorry to interrupt, I need to
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  Speaker 1: move along. How does Australia make sure they get the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to express their wishes without being stood over by
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  Speaker 1: other Iranian officials.
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  Speaker 11: Well, look, the Opposition is talking to the government, Chris
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  Speaker 11: about this. I can't go into the details. In fact,
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  Speaker 11: I deliberately don't want to because I don't want to
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  Speaker 11: be jeopardizing the welfare or safety of the women nor
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  Speaker 11: their families back in Iran. Other than to say that
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  Speaker 11: the Opposition is in contact with the government about this.
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  Speaker 11: If any of these women seek asylum, I do believe
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  Speaker 11: that the government will give it serious consideration.
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  Speaker 1: All right now, Just onto fuel security, There is no
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  Speaker 1: doubt that this country is badly exposed when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to fuel security. It's something I spoke with the great
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  Speaker 1: late Jim Molin about a number of times. This is
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  Speaker 1: not a party political question because I think governments of
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  Speaker 1: coalition and labor persuasion over the years have failed to
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  Speaker 1: do enough here. We don't have enough refinery capacity left
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  Speaker 1: on our shores or storage capacity. What canon should be
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  Speaker 1: done and how quickly could it happen? Well, there's a
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  Speaker 1: couple of things, Chris.
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  Speaker 11: I think first and foremost, the government should be using
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  Speaker 11: this opportunity to accelerate the development of oil and gas.
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  Speaker 11: That should be a no brainer. Secondly, there's a whole
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  Speaker 11: host of leavers that the Energy Minister should be looking
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  Speaker 11: at pulling here. There are already acts in place passed
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  Speaker 11: through the Parliament that allows the minister to have full
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  Speaker 11: transparency as to the stock of fuel. I think that
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  Speaker 11: is key, so that at least the government knows where
• 23:39
  Speaker 11: stock is where it needs.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: To be moved to.
• 23:42
  Speaker 11: Of course, fuel is ultimately run by the private sector here,
• 23:45
  Speaker 11: but there is a strong role for government.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Sure is too much timidity. Has Chris bind been too
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: busy pretending he's saving the planet rather than ensuring that
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: we've got adequate to energy security.
• 24:00
  Speaker 11: It seems to be the case, Chris. I mean, it
• 24:02
  Speaker 11: wouldn't surprise me in the least, but we're just not
• 24:06
  Speaker 11: seeing the level of urgency. It's not just for motorists,
• 24:08
  Speaker 11: by the way motorists are copying it at the Bowser,
• 24:11
  Speaker 11: but if you think of the issues of energy security,
• 24:14
  Speaker 11: it also goes to food security. We have farmers who
• 24:19
  Speaker 11: can't get their produce to market. We have major wholesalers
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: out there trying to transport things around the country. This
• 24:28
  Speaker 11: is why we need action and the minister to date
• 24:31
  Speaker 11: has not been pulling the levers available to him.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Teto O'Brien, thanks so much for your time. I appreciate it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Thanks very much, Chris teeddo O'Brien there in Canberra, and
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I want to go to the crime crisis which is
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: affecting so many parts of the country, but it's been
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: especially bad in Victoria. As you know, it's a shocking
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: story out of Melbourne over the weekend where a good
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Samaritan has been killed, allegedly murdered after stepping in to
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: save a fourteen year old boy from a machete attack.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Here's the latest from seven News.
• 25:00
  Speaker 12: Aiden Becker is being remembered as a hero, memorialized at
• 25:05
  Speaker 12: Murnda train station, the site of his murder. His friends
• 25:09
  Speaker 12: are in shock.
• 25:10
  Speaker 13: He couldn't hurt of soul. You know, all he wanted
• 25:13
  Speaker 13: to do is help people.
• 25:14
  Speaker 12: On Friday evening, the off duty security guard died doing
• 25:18
  Speaker 12: just that, rushing to the aid of a fourteen year
• 25:21
  Speaker 12: old schoolboy who was being mugged. The twenty two year
• 25:24
  Speaker 12: old was stamped instead. Three teens have been charged with
• 25:27
  Speaker 12: murder and aggravated burglary. Bail was refused. A fourth suspect
• 25:32
  Speaker 12: remains in hospital.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Just absolutely heartbreaking and terrifying. Let's bring me in Victoria's
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: shadow police Minister Brad Batton. Thanks for joining us. Brad, firstly,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: on this specific case. It is horrific that somebody trying
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: to protect others and stand up against crime is murdered
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: or allegedly murdered in this way.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris, it is when you hear of what's happened
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: with Aiden, and obviously our thoughts with his family and
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: his friends and that community who will be feeling this
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: each and every day. But I think the one thing
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: we must really put out there this was always going
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: to happen. There was always going to be something like this.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: We've got to a stage here in Victoria. We've already
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: seen it where we've had two young kids returning from
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: basketball that were murdered on the way back from basketball.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: It dates back to a home invasion with Ash Gordon,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: who was killed when he was defending his own home.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: You know, Chris, In Victoria, we've got to the stage
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: we've got this group.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Of offenders and the only way you can describe it
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: is they're actually hunting victims. And what we've seen now
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: is the outcome of that where an innocent victim who's
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: just tried to help out is now going to be
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: a victim and a name that I hope will see
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: the change that.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: We need to have here in Victoria to start to
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: get on top of.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: This crime crisis, restore police numbers and open the police
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: stations that have been shut under this government.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Brad, it's hard for us to get our heads around
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: because we're talking about gangs with machete is now. We
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: didn't have machete crimes in this country in the past.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: This is a new evil we're confronting, of course, and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: it's only a couple of years ago that the then
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Federal Opposition leader Peter Dutton was denounced by the Victorian
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Labor government because he dared to talk about African gangs.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Is that what we're dealing with. It's African gangs using machetes.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: It is partly a cultural problem. And how do we
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: attack it because apparently these are the amnesty on machetes
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: and the boxes outside police stations hasn't done the job.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think first thing, Chris, I want to address,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: and I know you said African gangs. My personal thing
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: is law should be against anybody, no matter where you're from,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: who you are, or what your background is. And I've
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: seen some pretty serious aggravated burglaries, some pretty serious assaults
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and armed robberies that aren't African gangs.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: So it's not all Can I just tug We all
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: agree with that sentiment, and we all know there are
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: people using weapons and crimes all over this country from
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: all ethnic backgrounds. But is the use of machetes for
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: revenge killings, for threatening people and for robberies. Is that
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: a new phenomenon that's been linked to African gangs or not?
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Can't we speak about the reality without having to check ourselves?
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: But it is, Chris, But I know you say that,
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: But yes it is.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: I'm an ex copper I've dealt with, so that is
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the custy I've dealt with the arm robberies. But what
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I can tell you though is there is the arm
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: robberies that have happened in my area mostly are not
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: the revenge attacks.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: They're hunting with knives. What we're seeing in the current situation.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, there is a predominant group from African communities that
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: we need to work with and engage with earlier. So
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: we have taking responsibility as well from a government's perspective.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: The government cut the funding for crime prevention for these
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: African groups, particularly out in the West. Thirty four programs
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: had their funding cut. So when the government's out of money,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: these are the minority groups that are actually the ones
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: that are paying the and their next generation are now
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: heading down a path that no one wants them to go.
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: But we're going to see the government there will be again.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: They're coming out Adult crime for violent you know, sorry,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Adult time for violent crime is their new slogan. I
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: know they're trying to follow from Queensland, but they're trying
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: to pretend that these kids are going to get twenty.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: Five year sentences.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: I'll be back on here after they've all been through court,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: and I guarantee you if they're found guilty that none
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: of them will get twenty five years to life. The
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: problem we've got the lower end of the sentencing, the
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: prevention and getting them away from the system earlier.
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: And they're the programs I used to run. I want
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: to focus on that work.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Brad Baton, thanks so much for joining us. And look,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I want to point out nobody wants to pick on
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: African communities and single them out. But if this is
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: a specific cultural legal crime problem, as Brad Baton, they're
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: just admitted, then that's actually advantage. We know that there's
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: something specific that governments and community groups need to attack.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: You can't be too afraid to talk about these things
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: in straight terms. It doesn't diminish all the other crime
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: around the place. But if there is a problem with
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: African gangs and machetes, let's call it out and deal
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: with it. Please. A young man has died trying to
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: protect a teenager. After the break, we're going to catch
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: up with the Brownlow Medlist Jared Healy, who's taking up
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the fight against the anti Jewish sentiment in the sporting world.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: That it's been great to have footy back, hasn't it.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: But at the SCG on Thursday, night, there is a
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: really touching ceremony before the game. The Swans did a
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: great job with the Carlton opponents joining in to honor
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: the victims of the Bondai terrorist attack and also to
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: thank those who stood tall on that day, including the police,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the ambulance officers, the hospital staff, surf life savers on
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: the scene and others. With the Swans CEO Matthew Pavlich
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: at the microphone and.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: From Hatzela, welcome Rabbi Mendyltzen and ode A Deed Sinnamon
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: and representing our community heroes please mate, Welcome Akhmed al Ahmed.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Thank you for your outstanding contribution to all in our community.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: We stand with you. Yeah, well done Swans, Well done
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: everyone there. Last week I showed you the wonderful words
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: from AFL legend and leading radio and television host Jared
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Healey on his se and Sports Day program, he urged
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: fans to put politics aside and stand with the Australian
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Jewish community.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: He's a reminder, no matter what side of the debate
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: you're on, if any regarding both the Garza war and
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: the current one in Iran, it is absolutely nothing to
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: do with our neighbors friends and fellow sports lovers who
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: just happen to have a Jewish heritage. Absolutely nothing.
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: For more than two years, they've been disgracefully targeted and
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: terrorized in their own countries. Since October seventh, twenty twenty three.
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: They've been terrorized in schools, in apathetic universities, at work,
• 32:22
  Speaker 7: and in their own homes, in their own towns, their
• 32:25
  Speaker 7: own country, culminating in the devastation of Bondi.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Terrific staff and on the weekend here he wrote in
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: The Australian, challenging the AFL to do more. I caught
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: up with him earlier and I asked him first for
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: his thoughts on Thursday's SCG ceremony.
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: I thought it was brilliantly done by the Swans. I've
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: been so proud of myle club, the way that they
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: led from the front, you know, even when Dean Cox
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: was there at the initial ceremony and then the players
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: and Dene turned up for another ceremony, he dressed in
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: full kit and for the Swans to pay their respects
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: to the victims and the superheroes, including ahmede l Ahmed,
• 33:09
  Speaker 7: who was the perfect example of a one Australia that
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: we've always been. I thought they did a great job
• 33:15
  Speaker 7: and it was so well received. In fact, I just
• 33:17
  Speaker 7: checked there's been four hundred and twenty two thousand views
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: of the Swans players in the rooms with some of
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: the sons and daughters of victims and people who have
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: been injured in it. So I mean AFL footy can
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: make a difference if it's done correctly.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was brilliantly done and it was so welcoming
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: for the Australian Jewish community as well, and that's where
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: your column in The Australian on the weekend was so strong.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Because the AFL has been out there on so many
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: other issues. Some people think it's a little bit too
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: socially progressive, but it certainly takes a stand on some issues.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And this was Australia's worst terrorist attack and we haven't
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: seen anything more broadly across the AFL to welcome and
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: commiserate with the Jewish community.
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: No, I think it's a really big issue for the AFL.
• 34:05
  Speaker 7: Since that article and since the interview a week ago,
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: I've been inundated with emails from people from the Jewish
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: community or the jaycomm as I like to call them,
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: and they're just Australians with a Jewish heritage, but they've
• 34:19
  Speaker 7: been treated so appallingly since October seventh, and in particular
• 34:24
  Speaker 7: October ninth, where there was institutional silence to what was
• 34:29
  Speaker 7: almost a celebration of the deaths, and their lives have
• 34:33
  Speaker 7: been terror or their lives have been one of terror
• 34:36
  Speaker 7: and fear and abandonment by their own country for the
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: last two years, two and a half years. So I
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: think that there is something that the AFL can do.
• 34:46
  Speaker 7: They can't fix everything, but there are ways and means
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: that the clubs can absolutely make a stand and potentially
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: change the narrative on this. I mean, even when we
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: talk about anti Semitism, it's theoretically correct, but it's anti Australian.
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: I mean, we are talking about a community that have
• 35:07
  Speaker 7: since the first fleet contributed to this country, and when
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: we are critical of them, we're critical of us. We're
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: critical of Australians. And for there to be silence from
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: governments and bloody universities that have allowed people to be terrorized,
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to let her. The other day from
• 35:24
  Speaker 7: a man who was crying because his kids were at
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: university and they don't want to acknowledge their Jewish heritage
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: because of the fear and the terror they've seen imposed
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: on people that have. So we've got a long way
• 35:39
  Speaker 7: to go in this. Even the ABC, I mean Josh Fredenberg,
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: he gave in my view, the greatest speech of anybody
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: in this country, the most powerful speech at the most
• 35:49
  Speaker 7: timely position. He goes on the ABC and it's diminished
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: as if at some political attack.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: It wasn't.
• 35:57
  Speaker 7: It was attack on Australia, but the Jewish community or
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: anyone else. It was attack against us. And I thought
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: Froedenburg was fantastic.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: He was superb, a very strong Carton supporter, as Josh
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Fredenberg and I agree, that was just a brilliant speech
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: and to be dismissed as party political by the ABC
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: was a problem. That's why I'm so admiring and appreciative
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: of your stand. This is about Australia. It's not about
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Jewish versus Muslim or singling out one community above others. Certainly,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: the AFL has been very strong in supporting Muslim players.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Basha Hurley led the charts for Richmond and it's helped
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: for the AFL to push into Muslim communities. The Jewish
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: community in Melbourne, as every part of the community when
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: it comes to footy, is deeply involved. Have you had
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: any feedback from the AFL after your column and your
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: standard They said they're going to do anything just to
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: make sure that they too embrace and recognize the Jewish community.
• 36:56
  Speaker 7: I haven't personally, but I know people who have spoken
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: to commissioners. I think they are getting the message and
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: getting a strong message. They've got a problem because there
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: are kids out there who are being harassed and abused
• 37:11
  Speaker 7: on fields, junior fields, and it's diminishing the numbers of
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: kids who want to play. There are so many supporters
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: who have written me an emails saying go Saints go,
• 37:21
  Speaker 7: the Blues go, the Pies go, the Pies go, Carlton,
• 37:25
  Speaker 7: And yet they're sitting in the grandstand and they're wondering,
• 37:27
  Speaker 7: when is the AFL actually going to take up the cause.
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: We have supported this game for evermore and when are
• 37:34
  Speaker 7: they going to support us because they need support.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah too, you. As I spoke to you on the
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: phone on the weekend, I shared the story my first
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: encounter ever with the Jewish community going on. I was
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: on a Catholic school trip to Melbourne and I was
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: hosted as a billet by another family from the Catholic
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: school and we went to the footy at Moraben on
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: a Saturday to see Saint Kilda and we picked up
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: their friends and we had to be quiet and sneak
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: through the back lane to pick them up. And I
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: didn't know why, and they explained, oh, they're Jewish, so
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: they don't want their neighbors to see them sneaking off
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: to the footy on the Sabbath. I mean, AFL is
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: everything in Melbourne, Absolutely it is.
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: And I was a Saint supporter for eighteen years, probably
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: nineteen years, even the first twenty five games I played
• 38:19
  Speaker 7: for Melbourne, I was still sequently a Saints supporter. So no,
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: they've got a strong position in my heart and unfortunately
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: they didn't quite get there last night.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now I was written for them for sure. Thanks
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: for joining us, Jared. All powered to your great stuff
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: and I hope you get plenty of support.
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: Go Crows, Yeah, go Crows. I was thinking about you.
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: In fact, I've had a couple of letters from Crow supporters.
• 38:46
  Speaker 7: If I can just have one more minute about a
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: boy who came home from school, went straight to his
• 38:54
  Speaker 7: room and his mother didn't know why. He was getting
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: ready to watch the footy. The school rang the mother
• 39:01
  Speaker 7: and said how is your son? And she didn't know
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: there was a problem. She went knocked on the door
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: and she said, why didn't you tell me? He'd been
• 39:09
  Speaker 7: beaten up at school, He'd been arrassed and he'd been terrorized.
• 39:13
  Speaker 7: And he said to his mum, nothing's going to change.
• 39:19
  Speaker 7: Something has to change, Chris, and it has to change soon.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: It sure does. Jared, thanks for sharing that with us.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Catch it another time, see you mate. Yeah, what a
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: great strong voice there. We need more of them around
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the country. This is a battle for all of Australia,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: not just the Jewish community. After the break, I'm going
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: to cross live to Sophiel's Worth in Israel to get
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: the latest on the conflict in the Middle East. Well,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: the focus of the current war is on Iran. Of course,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Israel is seeking to take out Hezbalah strongholds in southern Lebanon.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Let's cross to Sophiel's Worth live in Tel Aviv. Good
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: to talk to you against Sophie. You went up to
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: the northern border of Israel, across into looking across into
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Lebanon yesterday. Tell Us tell us what you've seen there
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: when it comes to that front for Israel. Yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 13: Great to be with you, Chris. Look, I did the journey.
• 40:18
  Speaker 14: It's a couple of hours north here from Tel Aviv
• 40:21
  Speaker 14: to the border between Lebanon and Israel, and I was
• 40:25
  Speaker 14: up at a city up the top of the.
• 40:27
  Speaker 13: Country called correct Shimona, and right along.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: The border there.
• 40:31
  Speaker 14: Now there were huge amount there was a huge amount
• 40:34
  Speaker 14: of artillery, combat vehicles, tanks, a large IDs personnel on
• 40:41
  Speaker 14: the ground too. You could feel the tension in the
• 40:44
  Speaker 14: air there, Chris. You could sometimes feel the vibrations in
• 40:48
  Speaker 14: the air from the artillery and you could also hear
• 40:51
  Speaker 14: the drones monitoring the border there. It was very very
• 40:56
  Speaker 14: you know, nerve wracking to be there at times, Chris,
• 41:00
  Speaker 14: because this is so real.
• 41:02
  Speaker 13: When you're up there, you see how close it is
• 41:06
  Speaker 13: to the border.
• 41:06
  Speaker 14: And I was told up there not to do filming
• 41:09
  Speaker 14: around the areas where the one of the compounds is
• 41:12
  Speaker 14: with the large military personnel there for obvious reasons. But
• 41:17
  Speaker 14: the communities there are staying really strong Chris, and saying
• 41:20
  Speaker 14: we are not going anywhere. We are used to this,
• 41:22
  Speaker 14: but we are staying push.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I've been up there a couple of times
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: in peaceful periods, which is hairy enough because you look
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: across the fortified border straight into Lebanon where and the
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: southern part of Lebanon is where there's Hesballa strongholds supposed
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: to have been disarmed by the United Nations over the
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: past decades and they've done nothing, clearly. But you've also
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: sampled the opinion of people in israel I. Just want
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: to share some of that now. Very happy that Trump
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: is the president of the United States. He is a
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: rather confident or the people in the country. And yeah,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: so some support for Donald Trump there. The Israeli people
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: are so stoic. They've been almost constantly at war since
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: the country was reconstituted in nineteen forty eight. But what
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: about the damage that's been done, people killed in the
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  Speaker 1: city right behind you, rockets from Iran landing in Tel
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  Speaker 1: Aviv and thereabouts. Has that threat dissipated for now or
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  Speaker 1: is it still on a war footing?
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  Speaker 14: Well, Chris, as you know, when you're in these situations,
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  Speaker 14: things can change very very quickly. Now, yesterday there were
• 42:38
  Speaker 14: alerts going off are here in Tel Aviv that there
• 42:41
  Speaker 14: are missile attacks. We've got on the front of the
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  Speaker 14: Jerusalem Post here Iranian cluster missile wounded seven in major
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  Speaker 14: hit and that's not far from here. And last night
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  Speaker 14: overnight we had several alarms here. You very rarely getting
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  Speaker 14: much sleep here because you're constantly woken up by missile threats.
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  Speaker 13: So this is very real.
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  Speaker 14: And there's a place here in Tel Aviv. It's very quiet,
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  Speaker 14: typically to what it is along the beach front here,
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  Speaker 14: it's normally packed at this time of year, Chris, but
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  Speaker 14: it's very quiet. Schools aren't operating, a lot of restaurants
• 43:16
  Speaker 14: and shops are closed. It is very very quiet, and
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  Speaker 14: people don't know what lies ahead because in a moment
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  Speaker 14: it can all change very very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and unlike America and Israel, the Iranians aren't attacking
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  Speaker 1: military targets. They're trying to just inflict image on civilian
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  Speaker 1: populations if they can. Thanks for joining us, Sophie, Stay safe, Sophie.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: O'sworth their News Corps correspondent for Europe and of course
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  Speaker 1: Sky News contributor on the front line there in Tel Aviv.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: We're going to get to a break on the other side.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: We'll catch up with gematone Union Carolina Rousseau. We'll talk
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: about all the big issues of the day and whether
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: or not Pauline Hanson is into a coalition with the
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: Libs and Nats or not. Crazy world just at the moment,
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: so let's try and make sense of it with General
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: choh Nini from GTQ Commuications and Caroline Drusso who's joining
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  Speaker 1: us from Perth. Again. Just before we go into a
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: discussion about the Iran War and the way it's been covered,
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  Speaker 1: I want to bring to your attention to a news
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  Speaker 1: story that's just gone up on the Sky News website
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  Speaker 1: where the ABC has misled us again. It's issued an
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: embarrassing correction after a business reporter claimed that the US
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: bombed Gaza. Yeah, a report yesterday, according to this ABC correction,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: actually said that both the United States and Israel were
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: responsible for the bombing of Palestinians in Gaza. This was incorrect,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: admitst the ABC. This is just typical, isn't it, Caroline.
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  Speaker 1: They don't mind pushing the agenda against the United States
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  Speaker 1: and the Israelis whenever they can. They're so keen on
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: doing that that they don't get their facts right.
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  Speaker 15: They're very keen on doing that and we'll know, they'll
• 44:56
  Speaker 15: add an extra gunshot here or there if it seems
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  Speaker 15: to help the narrative. But Chris, I mean, we talk
• 45:02
  Speaker 15: about this all the time, and there's been a story
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  Speaker 15: by Rachel Baxendale again today in relation to their sponsorship
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  Speaker 15: of trans Lobby Group ACON. Every time one of these
• 45:14
  Speaker 15: little things happens, and some of them are smaller than others,
• 45:17
  Speaker 15: some of them are big and egregious, don't get me wrong,
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  Speaker 15: But every time something like this happens, it becomes a
• 45:24
  Speaker 15: concurrent issue and impacts their credibility. And we haven't seen
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  Speaker 15: a lot of accountability. We haven't seen a lot of
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  Speaker 15: ownership of this. And okay, the correction has come out. Well,
• 45:35
  Speaker 15: you know what's easier than correcting mistakes not making them
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  Speaker 15: in the first place. And it's not like there's not
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  Speaker 15: enough resources or enough process or enough of any of
• 45:44
  Speaker 15: those things that the abc that this here keeps happening
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  Speaker 15: with the sort of frequency that it does.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Jimmy, you've written eloquently about the issue of women
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  Speaker 1: in Iran and the odious regime there, and white people
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: can't be upfront in condemning them. If you think you
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: can argue you like about diplomacy and last chances and
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: all the rest of it about the war. But now
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: that the war is on, the moral and strategic clarity says,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: get rid of this evil regime and this threat of
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: terrorism and nuclear weapons as quickly as possible to minimize
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: the damage. Yet we have the ABC and others fiddling
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: around trying to pretend that there's some international law that
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Trump and Netnyahu has broken, rather than dealing with those
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  Speaker 1: moral and strategic realities.
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  Speaker 16: Well, it's it's a very loose phrase, this international law,
• 46:30
  Speaker 16: and it's it's very trite, and it's.
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  Speaker 13: Interesting and quaint.
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  Speaker 16: How this was self appointed experts in this field. And
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  Speaker 16: the very simple question I would ask every single one
• 46:40
  Speaker 16: of them might ask their editorial team, I'd ask their
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  Speaker 16: news directors, and lesson.
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  Speaker 13: Until each of them are prepared to go and live there.
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  Speaker 16: Have their daughter's wives, sisters, mothers, sons live under such
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  Speaker 16: a brutal totalitarian regime, then they're nothing but garden variety hypocrites.
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  Speaker 13: The idea that they could be.
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  Speaker 16: Softly shilling for an organization that is one of the
• 47:03
  Speaker 16: world's most brutal human rights abusers is actually a borring
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  Speaker 16: that the worst thing about it is coming back to
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  Speaker 16: the idea that you report the news without fear or favor.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, I'm paid for opinion. I was once a journalist.
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  Speaker 16: There's a very big point of difference. I'm expected to
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  Speaker 16: take a position that is in many ways partisan, factual
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  Speaker 16: but partisan.
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  Speaker 1: You're open about it exactly.
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  Speaker 16: And what we continually see with the ABC is that
• 47:27
  Speaker 16: they are continually and repeatedly neither factual nor considered, and
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  Speaker 16: there's no accountability.
• 47:34
  Speaker 13: I've worked in commercial television.
• 47:36
  Speaker 16: I can tell you there's accountability there that you don't
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  Speaker 16: see at the ABC. I've worked at every network in
• 47:40
  Speaker 16: Australia except for Channel ten and SBS. I've seen it
• 47:44
  Speaker 16: and it baffles me how this can still be the
• 47:47
  Speaker 16: case at the ABC.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: It's shocking. Bring it back briefly to domestic politics and
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen. She admits that she can't form government in
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: one nation, but wants to be a part of governance.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: So remember last month she told me this, when you
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: talk about possible governance, that you would be interested in
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: being involved in a coalition government with the Nationals and
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: the Liberals.
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  Speaker 6: Of course, that's the only way to move forward, because
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: I'm not going to be government and either is, by
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: the looks of it, either as a coalition or the
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: National Party.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so a coalition, of course, that's where you'd go
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: if you're a one nation. But have a look what
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: she told my colleague Jonathan Lee in his doco last night.
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  Speaker 1: Are you seeking a super coalition in a chance to
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: help govern No?
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: I don't want a super coalition, not interested. I don't
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: want any ministerial positions. I want to commain completely independent
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: to judge the legislation that's been put up?
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Boy O, boy which one do we believe? Caro?
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  Speaker 4: Well?
• 48:54
  Speaker 15: Who knows and look particularly on issues like immigration. I mean,
• 48:57
  Speaker 15: Pauline has been very consistent for a long time.
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  Speaker 13: So I'm not sure if it's a flip flop.
• 49:02
  Speaker 15: Here or a bit of a flying a kite either way.
• 49:05
  Speaker 15: But ultimately when people go into the ballot box that
• 49:09
  Speaker 15: you know, many people take differing views throughout the term,
• 49:12
  Speaker 15: and we obviously see the numbers move. But people are
• 49:16
  Speaker 15: looking for governance and they're looking for policies and who's going.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: To be Let me just to give a gemo, just
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: a quick sound this year, they would support supply for
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: a coalition government, but no coalition I.
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  Speaker 16: Don't know that she actually knows what she's saying, and
• 49:32
  Speaker 16: I don't mean that to be diminishing. What I mean
• 49:33
  Speaker 16: is push or shove, either another term of labor or
• 49:37
  Speaker 16: form a coalition.
• 49:39
  Speaker 13: I think you might see a different answer.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you might see because that decision could be made
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: after an election. Thanks for joining us, Jemma and Caroline,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. See you next week. That's all the time
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: we got for you. Tonight, here's Peter Quidlin