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Mega Edition: Virginia Roberts And Alan Dershowitz Mutually Agree To Drop Their Lawsuits (5/13/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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Virginia Roberts has wrapped up a lot of her proceedings
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against different people who were involved with her abuse with
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Jeffrey Epstein and Galene Maxwell.
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Speaker 2: However, one lawsuit is.
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Speaker 1: Ongoing and has been ongoing for quite some time now,
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and that's the defamation battle against Alan I kept my
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underpants on Dershowitz. Now Virginia's revealing that she's ready to
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take the stand against Alan Dershowitz when this defamation trial
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gets under way. So today we have an article from
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Law and Crime that's detailing how Virginia is ready to
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go as far as this lawsuit is concerned. Headline Alan
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Dershowitz accuser Virginia Roberts reveals when trial might begin and
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she intends to testify. This article was authored by Adam Klassfeld,
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one of Jeffrey Epstein's most prominent survivors, revealed in a
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filing on Monday that she and Alan Dershowitz may go
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to trial next year, and she intends to take the
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stand against the retired Harvard law professor. Look, this guy's
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day has been coming for a very long time, and
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he can deny all he wants these allegations, But me
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personally anyway, I believe these allegations against him. Who goes
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over to Jeffrey Epstein's house for a massage, You don't
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go to a professional masseuse and then you come out
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and say, well, I had my underpants on, so it
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was all good. And then you think it's a good
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idea to hop on the internet and start bashing a survivor,
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and multiple survivors at that. So this unhinged guy running
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around acting like he's a victim, but the reality is
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he's been in bed with some of the smarmiest dudes going.
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And it's not his work as far as a lawyer
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that makes me disgusted by his behavior. It's the fact
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that he's being credibly accused here and up until now
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this defamation hearing, he hasn't really been under the microscope
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at all. Sure, people called him scummy and this, that
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and the other thing, but he's being credibly accused right
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along with people like Bill Richardson. So my disdain for
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this guy is next level disdain. And finally, after all
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of these years, he's going to have to be deposed.
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He's going to have to go under oath and talk
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about his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein and the lawyer that
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he's facing is a very serious man, Charles Cooper. Chuck
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Cooper is serious about his work, and Alan Dershowitz is
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very aware of that. Attorneys for Virginia Roberts say that
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she and Dershowitz want a target date for trial in
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March of twenty twenty three. If agreed upon by Senior
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US District Judge Loretta Presca, the schedule would call for
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fact discovery to close on November thirtieth, twenty twenty two,
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and expert discovery to wrap up by February fifteenth of
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twenty twenty three. Now, the discovery phase is big time.
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This is where we're going to learn a whole lot
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about this back and forth here that we might not
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have known until it gets to discovery. Right, there's only
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so much evidence that's out there for public consumption. But
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once you get to the discovery phase, it's you know,
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handing over all the documents and you.
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Speaker 2: Get to see the true scope of what's going on.
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Speaker 1: My guess is Alan Dershowitz has really stepped in it here,
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and he knows he can't retreat because boy, that'll look bad.
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But going forward, it's my guess. And remember, just my
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guest here, he's going to get crushed in this defamation
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case and he's gonna get he's gonna end up looking bad.
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Every other person who has engaged in a defamation case
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with Virginia has ended up not only losing that pretty much,
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but they end up under criminal investigation as well. Now
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we'll have to see what happens with Andrew in the
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long run, but Maxwell and Epstein both ended up under
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criminal investigation after giving depositions in regards to allegations made
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by Virginia. Plaintiff understands the court had previously indicated a
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desire to have a trial in the fall of this year,
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but neither party now believes that is possible, and indeed,
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we believe a March trial is optimistic and aggressive for
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the following reasons, Robert's counsel, Charles J. Cooper wrote in
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a letter filed with the court on Monday. So they
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want to get it going a little bit sooner, right March.
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They want to get the show on the road, and
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they want to get Alan Dershowitz up there and under
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the microscope and you can't blame Vergin. How long is
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this poor lady going to have to deal with this?
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Speaker 2: BS?
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Speaker 1: Hopefully for not much longer, right, But it's been decades
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now and still it's the same nonsense. So you know,
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if you're in her shoes, you definitely want this to
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come to a quick conclusion, at least I would think anyway.
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Roberts has alleged that she was instructed to have sex
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with Dershowitz. She sued him for defamation in twenty nineteen
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after he responded to those allegations by calling her a certified,
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complete and total liar. Now, you see, when somebody makes
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an accusation about you, right, and then you come back
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with that sort of venom, you better hope that you
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have some receipts to back up what you're talking about.
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And so far, Dershowitz, like the rest of these clowns,
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has not had any receipts to show up when it's
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time to get audited. Oh, just take my word for it.
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Oh I'm Alan Dershowitz. Nobody believes that, and nobody's taking
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your word for it, especially these days. Since Roberts first
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filed her case, Epstein was charged with sex trafficking in
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the Southern District of New York. The disgraced financier Pedophile,
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who was convicted of soliciting prostitution from a minor raping
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children in two thousand and eight, was found dead in
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his jail cell months later. Epstein's associate, Gallaine Maxwell associate,
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you mean co conspirator, general, all around scusbag, fellow child abuser,
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bipedal serpent, That's what you mean, right, Okay, yeah, okay,
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would later be tried and convicted of the same conspiracy,
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and she recently received a twenty year sentence. So again,
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like I said previously, Maxwell and Epstein both tried this
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path of calling Virginia a liar and you know, trying
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to dispute her claims, and they ended up stepping in it,
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didn't they. And it's my guess that Dershowitz is on
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the same exact path. There's a landmine coming and he's
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going to step in it. On the road to trial
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with Dershowitz, Roberts filed and settled a separate lawsuit against
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the UK's Prince Andrew. Well, we all know about that one.
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We all know that Prince Andrew, mister I didn't do anything,
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mister Iden, you've never even met this girl. Ponied up
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a big fat chunk of cash again, Another person who denied, denied, denied, denied,
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denied for years, decades basically about their relationship with Epstein
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and their involvement, only to fork over some cash when
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the chips are down and it's time to prove your
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bullshit with other Epstein related matters settling down, roberts wrangling
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with Dershowitz continues to accelerate. Roberts is expected to resume
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a deposition via zoom from Australia, where she lives later
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this month, on July twenty sixth. Dershowitz de position will
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take place in Boston, Massachusetts, on August thirtieth and thirty first.
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I'm sure he'll come up with some kind of lame
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brained excuse while I'll have to push it back, and
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he'll use all sorts of loopholes and technicalities to try
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and do that. And that's why I'm happy that Virginia
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has a guy like Chuck Cooper in her corner. Oh,
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you want to try a loophole, I know how to
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pull the end around and stop you from doing it.
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And also a man who has a lot of connections within.
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Speaker 2: The world of legal eese.
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Speaker 1: This isn't a man that just showed up on the scene.
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This is a guy that's been around for quite some time,
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and he's built quite the reputation, especially as a trial lawyer.
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Roberts Lawyers say that they identified three affirmative expert witnesses,
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but they may call others if Dershowitz continues to claim physical,
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emotional and mental damages. Imagine this guy setting himself up
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as the victim. I mean, really, who the hell believes
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that Alan Dershowitz is the victim here? We currently anticipate
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submitting expert testimony from an expert on sex trafficking, a
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forensic psychologist, and an expert on the dissemination of defendants
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tofamatory statements over the internet. Her letter states, at the
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top of Robert's list of anticipated fact witnesses is herself.
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Look that says everything that it needs to say. Not
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only is she making these allegations, she's willing to stand
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up in a court of law, get deposed and testify
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against Dershowitz because she is telling the truth. At least
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that's what it says to you, right If you aren't
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telling the truth. Would you get up there and take
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the stand? I highly doubt it. Her attorney's David Boys,
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Sigurd McAuley, Brad Edwards, and Paul Cassell are also on
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the list. So is on Asaka to Giorgio, a woman
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described as Epstein's first British victim. Edwards and Cassell previously
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settled a laws suit with Dershowitz. New York Supreme Court
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records say dershowitz defamation case against Boys is active now.
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Dershowitz has had had it in for Boys for quite
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some time. These guys are like arch rivals, right, And
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it was Boys who was heading this defamation case too.
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But because of Dershowitz and his wrangling, he.
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Speaker 2: Got Boys tossed off.
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Speaker 1: But really I think he made it worse for himself
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because Chuck Cooper's a straight up bulldog, and I think
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as great as Boys is, there's no doubt that Boys
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knows his shit, but I think that Chuck Cooper when
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it comes to trial time, he's the type of dude
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that's gonna rip your arm off. In two thousand and nine,
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Roberts reached a five hundred thousand dollars confidential settlement with Epstein,
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which was unsealed earlier this year. She was invited to
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provide a victim impact statement against Maxwell, though she did
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not testify at her trial. Well, of course, considering how
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vocal Virginia has been, it makes sense that she was
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able to put out this victim statement. I want to
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be clear about one thing, without question. Jeffrey Epstein was
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a terrible pedophile, Roberts wrote in her prepared remarks. But
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I never would have met Jeffrey Epstein if not for you,
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For me, and for so many others, you opened the
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door to hell and then Glaine like a wolf in
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sheep's clothing. You use your femininity to betray us and
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you let us all through it. So that's powerful stuff
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coming from somebody who was abused by this lady, right,
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And I know if I was the judge, I would
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find that moving, especially after a trial where the accused
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has been convicted. Dershowitz, who represented Epstein, denies wrongdoing and
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he has never been charged with a crime. His attorney,
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Arthur Idala, did not immediately respond to lawng Crime's email
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requesting comment. Well, of course not. When's the last time
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they've responded to comment. They're not going to do it,
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and Dershowitz especially, he'll respond, you know, on Twitter or something.
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There'll be some sort of unhinged rant, I'm sure. But
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besides that, I wouldn't wait too long for the lawyers
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to respond here. But either way, this is gonna be
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here before we know it, folks, and I'm pretty interested
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to see how it all turns out. If you'd like
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All right, everybody, I'll be back later on. Hope all
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of you are having a good one. What's up everyone,
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and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Alan Dershowitz loves
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to litigate. He loves to sue people. He loves to
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threaten to sue people, and he loves to flex his
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legal might when he is in the courtroom or behind
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the scenes. You know what. He doesn't like, however, he
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doesn't like when the shoe is on the other foot.
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He doesn't like when the court is making demands of him,
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or when other powerful attorneys are pulling his card. And
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that's what we're going to talk about on tonight's episode.
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Alan Dershowitz thinks that he's going to be able to
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keep his tax returns from Virginia Roberts over in their
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defamation suit. This is all after he has already received
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her tax returns. So Alan Dershowitz is certainly one of
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the type of people who thinks, well, why would you
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need my tax returns? I'm squeaky clean. Didn't I just
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tell you that? You know, he's one of those guys.
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When it's his privacy that's being looked at, or when
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the curtains being drawn back on his bedroom, it's a
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big problem. But if you're somebody he's litigating against, it
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should be carpet bombing, scorched earth, no holds barred type
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of justice. That's the way he goes about his business.
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We've seen the way he destroys people and not other
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powerful people even we've seen the way he's destroyed help
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destroy those girls during the first arrest for Epstein. We've
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seen how that all worked out, zero justice rendered, and
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Dershowitz has been going on as merry way ever since. Now.
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If Dershowitz was just somebody who was defending people like
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Jeffrey Epstein, I'd find him.
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Speaker 2: Gross either way.
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Speaker 1: But at least you know he's not a criminal, right,
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that's just his job. It's a scummy ass gig. I
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would never defend people like Epstein, But there has to
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be people out there that'll do that job. If we
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want to have a society where everyone has representation, then
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there has to be people who will do that job.
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But usually people do it because they feel like that
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have to defend the law. Right Dershowitz, It just seems
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like a bunch of fellow travelers all the time, doesn't it.
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Type of people he's representing, guys not out there. You
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really need to tell me this is a guy that
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cares about the Constitution.
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Speaker 2: I don't buy it.
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Speaker 1: He says he does, but in my opinion, I don't
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buy any of that stuff. I think Alan Dershowitz is
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one of those types of people who wields their legal
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knowledge as a blunt instrument and uses it as a
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bully pulpit to intimidate and make people fear what the
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possible results might be of criticizing him or calling him
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out onto the carpet. And we see that the legacy
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media that's starting to get hip to it a little bit.
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You're not seeing him booked on as many shows, but
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over in places like Newsmax or an or even on
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Fox News, you still see Dershowitz pop up and blabber
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about this, that or the other thing. The first question
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that should be asked to him is so, what's the
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deal with you in Virginia? That should be the first question.
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I don't care about his legal opinion about anything else
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about Trump's impeachment or this that.
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Speaker 2: I don't care.
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Speaker 1: The only questions that should be asked of this dude
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are about Epstein until he answers. You know, truthfully, for once,
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all of these people that were hanging out with Epstein,
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all of these people that were in the Black Book,
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if they're ever at one of these events and these
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journalists are there, they should be asking them about that.
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Speaker 2: But you don't ever see that, right. It's it's ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: It's always been the same story, and Alan Dershowitz, at
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least up until recently, has been afforded that same privilege by.
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Speaker 2: The legacy media.
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Speaker 1: But I will say there has been a bit of
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a turn, and once the dude defended Trump, that was it.
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Imagine for some people that's even worse than defending Jeffrey Epstein.
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So whatever, whatever the case is, at least people are
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still art to take notice that, you know, Dershowitz isn't
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like just this great legal scholar. He's out there, you know,
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like I was saying, wielding his legal acumen, wielding his
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legal contacts as an instrument to you know, litigate people
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into oblivion. And then when he runs into somebody that
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is up to the challenge, it becomes a whole different thing. Right,
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It's I have to destroy their credibility and this, that
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and the other. Well, Alan Dershowitz is certainly run into
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another law firm run by a lawyer who is of
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his caliber. And that law firm is run by Chuck Cooper,
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and it's Cooper and Kirk. This is a very very
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high profile law firm. That and they mean business, right.
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They're not out here playing games like a lot of
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these lawyers are not out here looking for fame or
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none of that stuff, just out here litigating and crushing folks.
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So Dershowitz is well aware of who Chuck Cooper is
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and the reputation that Chuck Cooper has. So he put
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himself into this position really because he's the one that
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petitioned to get boys thrown off of the case. So
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he got rid of one eye profile attorney only to
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get you know, slobber knockered by the second one. And
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I have a funny feeling that we're going to see
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a clash of the Titans, if you will, in this case.
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But Dershowitz isn't going to be able to come out
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on top here in my opinion anyway, because again he
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doesn't have the truth. He's going to have to rely
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on loopholes and technicalities. So we know how that's worked
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out so far for these folks. Not so well right now. Again, Dershowitz,
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unlike the rest of these people, is a very, very
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shrewd man. He definitely knows the law. And as much
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as you can be grossed out by him or think
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he's just a disgusting human being, you can't take away
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the fact that he is very knowledgeable when it comes
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to the law. That said, he isn't the greatest lawyer
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of all time. He isn't, you know, the greatest voice
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talking about the Constitution we've ever seen. So when people
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start with that nonsense, I just have to roll my eyes.
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But you got to give him credit where it to do.
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Don't sell the guy short. As far as you know him,
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knowing what he's talking about legally speaking, at least until recently,
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he has seen a bit of I don't know, mental decline,
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if you will, in the in the past few years. Right,
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doesn't seem to be as sharp, but you know that
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comes with age.
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Speaker 2: It's to be expected either way.
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Speaker 1: They are embroiled him in Virginia in this battle right now,
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and Virginia and her team, led by Cooper and Company,
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they're looking to get the tax returns from Dershowitz here,
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and Dershowitz obviously is fighting tooth and nail so that
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that doesn't happen. Today, we have an article from the
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Daily News and we're going to talk about this a
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little bit more, and we're gonna see what author Molly
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Crane Newman has come up with headline, Alan Dershowitz fights
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to keep tax returns from Jeffrey Epstein's survivor, Virginia Roberts.
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Now sounds familiar, right, Who else likes to keep their
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tax returns private.
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Speaker 2: And I get it.
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Speaker 1: I understand why people would want to keep their tax
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returns private. It's a private matter. Nobody needs to know
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how much money you make or anything like that. But
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if you're running for public office or you're engaging in
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a very acidic back and forth litigation and it's pertinent
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to what's going on, then yeah, you should probably pony
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up those documents. So Virginia's team is pushing for that,
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and I wouldn't be shocked to see the lawyer make
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a decision and make them turn those over.
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Speaker 2: That's just a guess.
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Speaker 1: Obviously, I don't know the future, but I think it's
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something that is a legitimate ask here, especially considering Virginia
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has turned her records over to him previously. Alan Dershowitz
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is following in the footsteps of his former client, President
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Donald Trump and fighting in court to keep his tax
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returns confidential. The ongoing battle over the prominent Harvard Law
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School professor's financial records comes in a suit brought by
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Virginia Roberts, who says she was trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein
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when she was underage. Roberts says Epstein lent her for
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sex to Dershowitz, who represented Epstein when the financier pedophile
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was being investigated by the FEDS in two thousand and seven.
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So again, when we talk about Dershowitz, according to Virginia,
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according to the accounts, he's not just an enabler. He's
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not just somebody who defended Donald Trump or Jeffrey Epstein
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in court. He's somebody who, according to these reports, took
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part in the abuse. So that's a different level of scumbag, right,
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if you know you're doing a grading system on these scumbags,
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this is the top of the ring for scumbaggery. Anyone
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who took part in this shit needs to be prosecuted,
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needs to be indicted, and there needs to be a
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robust investigation into the allegations and made against made against
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these people. What because they're rich, that doesn't happen. These
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kind of allegations should always be looked into, especially when
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you're talking about somebody who's hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein.
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The returns, Robert argues are relevant to claims that Dershowitz
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suffered reputational harm due to her allegations, So meaning if
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he was suffering from such reputational harm. How could he
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make so much money? How would he be bringing in
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all of these fat ass secured bags if he's suffering
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from reputational harm. When you suffer from reputational harm, that
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means you are no longer able to work, You are
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no longer able to provide your family with the life
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that they were used to living. But the only reason
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this guy is suffering any reputational harm is because of
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his own actions, because the people he hung out with.
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Let's not forget he already admitted, Oh, I got a
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massage at Jeffrey Epstein's, but I was wearing my underpants
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and the girls, well, they were overaged. How do we
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know any of that? And how can we believe any
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of that? And furthermore, how does he know any of that?
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Did he check their ideas or was he just going
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on the word of a prolific human trafficker and pedophile.
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In an ironic twist, Roberts legal team says that Dershowitz's
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tax return tax returns could show he lost money through
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his representation of Donald Trump. Dershowitz's tax returns may contain
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evidence of general reputational harm linked to defendants representation and
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public defense of President Donald Trump, rather than any comments
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from Roberts. Her attorney Nicole Moss wrote, So, Nicole Moss
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is a partner over at Cooper and Kirk, and what
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they're saying is basically what I just said. This guy's
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reputation was in this shitter previously. So all of a sudden,
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this is it. This is the straw that broke the
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camel's back. Come on, man, nobody liked you anyway. You
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didn't have a reputation to defend. It wasn't because you're
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just hanging out and you know, doing your job either.
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It's because your friendly personal relationship with a guy like
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Jeffrey Epstein. And there's no reason or rhyme for it.
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There's no explanations for it. And frankly, I don't want
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to even hear you try and explain it away anymore. Oh,
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he was just my client. So part of the perk
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package for lawyers is they go over to their client's
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house and get massages. That's part of the perk package.
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I highly doubt it. In filings, Dershowitz writes he files
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jointly with his wife and that she objects to disclosing
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the documents He offered the way of any legal claims
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related to loss of income. Oh give me a break, dude,
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why don't you just show your tax returns?
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Speaker 2: What are you hiding?
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Speaker 1: Alan Dershowitz, mister legal legal? All of these dudes are
25:06
the same, right, All of these people are the same,
25:09
And the naked volleyballer Martha's Vineyard certainly is no different.
25:16
Zero ability to be transparent, zero ability to just come
25:20
clean and own up to what's going on, because guess what,
25:23
they don't have the truth on their side, so they
25:25
can't do that without implicating themselves in some sort of
25:28
horrendous crime. I just don't want them rummaging through my
25:36
charitable contributions, my health, my medical records and things of
25:39
that kind. Dershowitz told The Daily News. I thought it
25:42
was because your wife objected to it, But it also
25:45
has to do with them rummaging through your charitable contributions,
25:48
your health, or medical records or things of that kind.
25:51
What does that even mean? Where are you donating your money?
25:53
How much of that money was donated to organizations like
25:56
Epstein's Liquid Limited. Now again, I don't know if that's
26:00
the case with Alan Dershowitz. These are just questions that
26:03
nobody likes to ask, it seems, but we're gonna keep
26:07
asking them here on the podcast until somebody answers them.
26:11
If this dude is on the up and up, if
26:13
he has nothing to hide, just turn over your records
26:15
and be done with it. You say you got all
26:17
this proof that Virginia's lying and she's trying to extort people, Well,
26:21
we haven't seen any proof provided that would direct me
26:26
in the bearing of her lying. Okay, certainly nothing that
26:30
Dershowitz has provided that didn't satisfy Roberts, who disclosed her
26:36
own tax returns to Dershowitz's legal team years ago. Moss
26:40
called Dershowitz's tactics unacceptable behavior. It is unacceptable behavior. He
26:45
never wants to play ball right. He wants to manipulate
26:48
the system to always benefit him. He wants to be
26:51
in a legal position where he always has the most
26:54
tenable of ground. And I get it. That's where you
26:57
want to be, right in a legal fight or any
26:59
other fight otherwise. But the fact is he's not going
27:03
to be able to bully his way into it this time.
27:06
He's going to have to truly litigate himself out of this.
27:08
And I don't think he's going to be able to
27:10
do it. I really don't think so. I think Cooper
27:13
and Kirk are very savvy at what they do, and
27:16
I think Nicole Moss is ready to bring the thunder.
27:19
Speaker 2: To this dude.
27:22
Speaker 1: Robert sue the eighty three year old Dershowitz for defamation
27:24
in April twenty nineteen for repeatedly smearing her in public
27:28
as a liar for claiming Epstein forced her to sleep
27:31
with him as a teen. And he came out hard
27:34
in the paint right, talking all kinds of shit, like
27:36
he was gonna get away with it, like he could
27:38
just say whatever he wants about whoever he wants, and
27:41
Virginia just wasn't going to, you know, do anything about it.
27:45
I mean, it's just ridiculous that he would think that
27:49
she wouldn't sue him after everything she has been through,
27:52
after everything that has been revealed. This bozo, this brazen moron,
27:57
has some audacity, boy, doesn't he. Dershowitz, who represented Epstein
28:04
in the late two thousands, is counter suing in Manhattan
28:06
federal court, claiming Virginia fabricated the accusations as part of
28:11
an extortion plot. Targeting former Victoria's secret CEO Leslie Wexner.
28:17
And we know that's BS because Wesner himself has come out.
28:19
Speaker 2: And said so.
28:20
Speaker 1: So Again, Dershowitz trying to pull other people into his
28:23
legal problems, trying to pull off a magic act here,
28:27
so you focus on one thing when another thing is.
28:30
Speaker 2: Really the issue.
28:31
Speaker 1: And he's very good at this, and he's always been
28:34
good at this, But again, I don't think it's gonna
28:36
work this time. I have nothing to hide because I
28:42
never met her, never touched her, never had any contact
28:45
with her. So I have absolutely nothing to hide, and
28:48
I'm looking forward to trial, at which her whole history
28:51
comes out. Dershowitz says, she is not going to get
28:54
a penny from me. I did nothing wrong. Her whole
28:57
history is going to come out. Bro, She's been being
29:00
dragged in the media and elsewhere for how long You
29:04
had Prince Andrew's lawyers and people like Victoria Heavy trying
29:09
to get the dirt on her from weirdos on Twitter
29:12
and shit, you really think she's worried about you putting
29:15
her on blast? You old crip keeper looking mfort. You
29:21
don't scare nobody no more. Alan Dershowitz. Those days are over, homie.
29:25
The days of bullying people from your bully pulpit, your
29:28
bully pulpit have long come to an end. And it's
29:33
just time for you to realize that. And I think
29:35
it's going to be a real wake up call when
29:38
Virginia and the team over at Cooper and Kirk clean
29:42
mister Dershowitz's clock in this suit. All right, folks, that's
29:47
gonna do it for tonight's update. Some more on its way,
29:50
and tomorrow morning we're gonna get right back at it
29:52
and see what's what. If you'd like to contact me,
29:55
you can do that at Bobby Kapuci at Protonmeil dot com.
29:58
That's Bo by cp u cci at ProtonMail dot com.
30:05
You can also find me on Twitter at Bobby underscore
30:09
cap u Cci. The links that go with this episode
30:14
can be found in the description box. All right, folks,
30:17
until later on. What's up everyone, and welcome back to
30:20
the Epstein Chronicles. We have quite the development in the
30:25
battle between Virginia Roberts and Alan Dershowitz as far as
30:30
the lawsuit goes now. For years, Virginia has maintained that
30:35
she had been trafficked to Alan Dershowitz. Well, now the lawsuit,
30:40
the defamation lawsuit that they had going against each other,
30:44
that's going away. That's done because Virginia saying that she
30:48
may have made a mistake now in accusing Alan Dershowitz.
30:51
And for his part, Dershowitz is saying he recognizes now
30:56
that Virginia was a victim of Jeffrey Ebstein's but you
30:59
know if he was misidentified. So let's get into this
31:03
article from the Miami Herald and let's unpack what's going
31:07
on here. Headline in a victory for Dershowitz, Epstein's survivor
31:12
says I may have made a mistake in accusing him.
31:16
This article was authored by Ben Leader, and for me,
31:21
I pay attention to language. So with that statement of
31:26
I may have made a mistake, I think what's going
31:30
on here is Virginia is just tired of this whole
31:34
entire process, and if this is what it takes to
31:37
make it go away and be done with it for
31:39
her part anyway, then that's what she's going to do.
31:43
Speaker 2: Do I know that? For sure?
31:45
Speaker 1: I do not. I have not talked to her, certainly,
31:47
don't share her confidence or anything like that. But that's
31:50
my guess. At this point, this is becoming a long
31:54
drawn out process going on years and years and years,
31:58
and it can't be cheap, especially when you're dealing with
32:01
somebody like Alan Dershowitz. Right, So that's my guest. Do
32:05
I know that to be a fact. I don't, But
32:09
after all of these years, for her to say that
32:12
she might have made a mistake or misremembered, that's a
32:15
pretty big one. That's a doozy. So let's get into
32:18
the article. One of Jeffrey Epstein's most well known sexual
32:22
abuse survivors, Virginia Roberts, has settled a bitterly fawed defamation
32:26
lawsuit with famed defense attorney Alan Dershowitz. But while Roberts
32:31
reportedly won large cash settlements from prior cases involving serial
32:36
abuser Epstein and his best friend Prince Andrew, no money
32:39
exchanged hands in Robert's settlement with Dershowitz, a Harvard law
32:43
professor who was once Epstein's attorney. Each party in the
32:47
suit issued a statement as part of the settlement. Robert
32:51
said in her statement that she may have misidentified Dershowitz
32:55
when she said that he sexually abused her. And for
32:58
Alan Dershowitz, this is exactly what he wanted to hear.
33:01
Speaker 2: Right.
33:02
Speaker 1: He has maintained this whole entire time that he didn't
33:05
do this. And if Virginia is saying that she might
33:08
have misremembered or misidentified him, well, for Dershowitz that's certainly
33:15
a tenable place to defend himself, at least for taking
33:19
part in the abuse. Now his relationship with Epstein in
33:23
other regards and his defense of him, that's a different conversation,
33:28
at least for me anyway, because there's levels to this shit,
33:31
and the most heinous, most disgusting people are the ones
33:35
who actually took part in the abuse. So if Dershowitz
33:38
isn't one of the people who partook in the abuse here,
33:42
well maybe you have to reevaluate which rung he is on.
33:46
Or is this Virginia just saying, look, I've had enough
33:50
and I don't want to deal with the nonsense anymore. Again,
33:53
I don't know, but all we could do is take
33:56
her at our word here, right, And she's saying that
34:00
she might have misremembered, So for Dershowitz it's certainly a victory.
34:05
In effect, it was vindication for Dershowitz. I have long
34:08
believed that I was trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein to Alan Dershowitz.
34:12
Robert Statement said, However, I was very young at the time.
34:16
It was a very stressful and traumatic environment, and mister Dershowitz,
34:20
as from the beginning, consistently denied these allegations. I now
34:24
recognize I may have made a mistake in identifying mister Dershowitz. Well,
34:30
that's a whole lot right there, and I don't even
34:33
really know what to say about that. Honestly, it can
34:37
only be two things, right Either A that's exactly how
34:41
it is. She might have misidentified Dershowitz, or B she's
34:47
just had enough of dealing with the nonsense. I don't
34:50
know what else it could possibly be in between those
34:53
two things. Dershowitz, a friend of Epstein who would visit
34:58
the financier pedophiles home and sometimes accompany him around Harvard,
35:03
where Epstein would eventually be given his own office, for years,
35:06
maintained his innocence and countersued Roberts after she first sued
35:11
him for defamation in April of twenty and nineteen. One
35:15
thing I will say about I kept my underpants on
35:17
drshy over here is he's one of the few people
35:20
who has counter sued Virginia and fought this in open court,
35:24
or at least brought it to a point where it
35:27
was being heard in a court. Most of these other
35:30
cats have run for the hills. Where's Glenn dub been
35:34
doing the same thing, or less Wexner or any of
35:36
these other dudes. Bill Richardson, That's what I've called for
35:39
this whole entire time. Virginia has maintained that this has happened,
35:44
and there has never been a real investigation into these
35:46
people who have been accused. So I've always maintained that
35:50
an investigation at the very least is necessary here, and
35:55
whatever happens beyond that is up to the court. I'm
36:02
very gratified that she admitted what I've known all along,
36:05
that she misidentified me, Dershowitz told The Herald, adding that
36:09
he wished Roberts well. So he's not saying it didn't
36:12
happen to Virginia. In fact, he's admitting she was abused,
36:15
but he's saying that he's been misidentified. Dershowitz had previously
36:21
accused Roberts of lying when she claimed he had abused her,
36:25
but said in his statement that he had nevertheless come
36:28
to believe that at the time she accused me, she
36:31
believed what she said.
36:32
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of you know.
36:34
Speaker 1: Come to Jesus moments in this circumstance here if you will,
36:38
or is it two parties that have said, you know what,
36:40
let's just let sleeping dogs lie here and retreat back
36:45
to our you know, respective home pases, because these litigations
36:50
are costly.
36:51
Speaker 2: Let's be real.
36:52
Speaker 1: Look, we got to live in reality, right, We have
36:55
to be realistic and understand that. You know, there's a
36:57
lot of financial burden, and not only that, but personal
37:01
burden as well, all kinds of media, lawyers, all the
37:06
rest of it. And when you've gone through it for
37:08
so long, I can only imagine anyway that sometimes enough
37:12
is enough. The prominent defense attorney, perhaps most famous for
37:22
being part of OJ Simpson's legal team in the Hall
37:25
of Fame Running Backs murder proceedings, said that the lawsuit
37:28
were Roberts had been particularly challenging. I've been fighting fights
37:32
for a long time, he said, and the fight with
37:34
Roberts has been the most frustrating and serious. Yeah, Well,
37:38
when you have those sorts of charges and allegations laid
37:41
before you, that's definitely a serious matter that needs to
37:45
be answered for and accounted for. Roberts has said that
37:50
she was initially recruited for abuse by Epstein's ex girlfriend
37:54
and accomplice, fellow child abuser, general all around scusbag and
37:58
bipudal serpent Maxwell, who first encountered Roberts around the time
38:03
of Robert's birthday, when Roberts was working at the spa
38:07
at Donald Trump's Mar A Lago club. Roberts said that
38:10
after being groomed by Maxwell, she was subsequently abused by Epstein,
38:15
and that the para trafficked to the pair's high profile friends,
38:18
including Prince Andrew. Now, if she misidentified Alan Dershowitz, who
38:25
was the person that she was trafficked to. Then if
38:28
it wasn't Dershowitz, it was somebody else, So who is
38:31
that person? The bitterly fought lawsuits between the pair had
38:36
dragged on for three years. Robert's initial lawyer in the case,
38:39
David Boyce, was removed after Dershowitz accused Boyce of trying
38:43
to extort him and presented a secret recording of boys
38:48
in which Dershowitz claimed Boys told Roberts she was wrong
38:52
to have accused him. In his statement. As part of
38:55
the settlement, Dershowitz indicated that he now believed his prior
38:59
claims again Boys were mistaken. The settlement also resolved cases
39:04
that Boys and Dershowitz had brought against each other in
39:07
New York State court. So this wrapped it all up
39:10
in a nice little bow. And these cases they're done.
39:14
As far as the defamation case between Virginia and Alan Dershowitz,
39:19
there's no reopening that or anything like that. That ship
39:23
is held now. That's finished. Roberts was one of several
39:27
Epstein survivors who spoke to the Herald as part of
39:31
the twenty and eighteen Perversion of Justice series, which re
39:35
examined the deal Epstein cut with federal prosecutors in the
39:39
Southern District of Florida in two thousand and eight that
39:42
allowed him to settle numerous allegations of sexual assault of
39:46
girls by pleading guilty to two state charges of solicitation,
39:51
one involving a minor. Dershowitz was part of Epstein's legal
39:55
team that negotiated the lenient settlement. Epstein would ultimately of
40:00
only thirteen months in a county jail, where he was
40:02
allowed to leave and work from a nearby office and
40:05
enjoyed other extraordinary privileges. The Herald's coverage led federal prosecutors
40:12
in the Southern District of New York to re examine
40:15
Epstein's case and bring fresh sex abuse charges against him.
40:19
In July of twenty nineteen. Epstein, who was held in
40:23
federal custody after his arrest, was found dead in his
40:26
jail cell one month later in what has been ruled
40:29
a suicide. And it's always been crazy to me that
40:33
it was this newspaper down in Miami, the Miami Herald,
40:36
who broke this story, and not you know, the New
40:40
York Times or the Washington Post or one of the
40:44
gigantic media outlets that runs around and makes pretend that
40:48
they are these, you know, great purveyors of truth. But
40:51
then when it comes to stories like this or other
40:54
stories that directly affect our lives, they're nowhere to be found.
40:58
But the Miami Herald definitely deserves the tip of the cap,
41:02
and the work they did in this case was exemplary.
41:08
Epstein's ex girlfriend and accomplice fellow child abuser, general all
41:12
around scusbag and bipudal serpent. The British socialite Maxwell was
41:17
arrested one year later and brought the trial in late
41:20
twenty twenty one on charges that she had groomed and
41:24
recruited four girls for Epstein's abuse. She was convicted on
41:27
five of the six counts brought against her, including sexual
41:31
trafficking of a minor. While Roberts wasn't one of the
41:34
four survivors who testified at the trial, she was considered
41:38
a survivor for the purpose of Maxwell's sentencing this past June,
41:42
for which Maxwell was sentenced to twenty years in prison.
41:46
Maxwell is now serving her sentence in a federal prison
41:49
in Tallahassee and is appealing her conviction. Now I hate
41:54
to be, you know, the harbinger of bad news, but
41:57
what does this mean for her appeal? Are they going
42:01
to look at that and say, well, maybe she should
42:03
get a lighter sentence here. Look, I don't put anything
42:06
by the criminal justice system and the Bureau of Prisons,
42:11
but we'll have to see what comes of that, right,
42:14
We'll have to see what happens with that appeal and
42:16
if this plays into that at all. You know, her
42:18
lawyers are going to sink their teeth into it, one
42:21
hundred percent without a doubt. Maxwell's lawyers have been looking
42:24
for a lifeline this whole entire time. So we'll have
42:28
to see if this has any reverberations throughout the rest
42:32
of the case. But it brings to a conclusion one
42:35
of the more contentious legal battles that we have seen
42:40
throughout this whole entire thing, and that's between Alan Dershowitz
42:44
and Virginia Roberts. So, like I said, I don't have
42:48
any inside information here like usual, just trying to read
42:51
between the lines like everybody else. But for me, my
42:55
guess is she just had enough and she didn't want
42:58
to maintain the legal battle anymore. And I'm sure Dershowitz
43:02
had had enough as well, and it was just going
43:06
to drag on and on and on and on, and
43:08
it was gonna cost time, money, and honestly years of
43:12
your life when you're dealing with this kind of nonsense.
43:15
So there you have it, folks, that's the latest with
43:19
Virginia Roberts and Alan Dershowitz and the competing dueling defamation
43:24
lawsuits that are no more. If you'd like to contact me,
43:29
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43:33
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43:38
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43:41
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43:47
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43:51
Speaker 2: You're employed by Provision.
43:52
Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
43:57
Recently we found out that Jinia Roberts and Alan Dershowitz
44:02
had decided to mutually end their lawsuits against each other,
44:07
and there were a lot of questions as to why
44:10
that would occur, and especially considering a Virginia's statement. Virginia
44:15
stated that she could have misremembered or misidentified Alan Dershowitz.
44:20
Now I said in that first episode that the wording
44:24
is important. I could have, I may have. There was
44:28
no definitive statements. And I also said in that episode
44:32
that my guess was that it was because she has
44:34
been litigating this for so long that she and her
44:37
family had just had enough. And now we're hearing from
44:41
Virginia Roberts directly, who spoke with a Daily Beast and
44:45
who was saying pretty much that, So let's get to
44:48
this article real quick, and let's see what Kate Bricklett
44:51
over at The Daily Beast has for us. Headline, Epstein
44:58
survivor Dershewiz Whitz isn't exonerated no matter what he says.
45:04
This article was authored by Kate Bricklett. Last week, Virginia Roberts,
45:10
a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein, settled her defamation suit against
45:13
the financier Pedophiles, one time friend, and lawyer Alan Dershowitz,
45:18
whom she'd long accused of sexual assault. As part of
45:22
the deal, Dershowitz dropped his countersuit against her and his
45:26
countersuit against lawyer David Boyce, who had separately sued Dershowitz
45:30
for defamation. Moments after the ink was dry, the media
45:34
published statements from the parties. In her remarks, Roberts said
45:39
she long believed that Epstein trafficked her to Dershowitz, but
45:43
she may may have made a mistake in identifying the
45:46
Harvard professor as one of her abusers. Dershowitz wasted no
45:51
time in taking a victory lap, appearing on newsma's Greg
45:55
Kelly Reports and Fox five's Good Day New York and
45:59
writing an op ed in the New York Post under
46:01
the headline exonerated Why I thought to clear my name
46:05
in Jeffrey Epstein allegation? And if you notice, I didn't
46:09
read that right, I don't really buy the whole Oh
46:11
I'm exonerated deal here, Okay. What I do believe is
46:17
that this was just too much, and the litigation had
46:20
become too much, and at some point your back can
46:23
only carry so much of a burden. When should Virginia
46:27
get some normalcy in her life and when should she
46:30
stop having to carry the burden. You know, it's a
46:34
legitimate question, and it's easy for people to criticize if
46:37
they're they're not the ones carrying that burden. But I
46:40
can't imagine all these years of litigation and people suing
46:45
me and me suing them, and all the other lawsuits
46:47
that are going on. And remember, this wasn't gonna see
46:50
Alan Dershowitz go to prison or anything like that. This
46:53
was a defamation suit. People disapproved of me Beingeffrey Epstein's
47:00
lawyer and Donald Trump's lawyer, So a decision was made
47:04
by people to frame me during to whis told Kelly,
47:07
and they used a young woman and the young woman
47:10
now acknowledges that she may have made a mistake to
47:14
frame you.
47:14
Speaker 2: Bro.
47:15
Speaker 1: Were you or were you not at Jeffrey Epstein's house?
47:17
Did you or did you not get that massage? You
47:19
already said you did get the massage. Now, of course
47:22
you say you had your underpants on and nothing ill
47:26
and untowards happened. So fine, that's what you say. But
47:29
to act like your a million miles away from all
47:32
of this is just absurd. Now, that might work with
47:35
people who don't follow the case or who might not
47:38
be hip to what's going on here, but anyone who's
47:41
been following this case for even a minute understands that
47:44
even if even if all of the stuff that Virginia
47:48
said about you was wrong and she misidentified you, how
47:52
do you explain being part of that disgusting sweetheart deal
47:56
that Jeffrey Epstein got? How do you explain that? And
48:00
I don't even want to hear about the Trump stuff.
48:02
That's just easy, you know, low hanging fruit for him
48:05
to throw out there to try and bolster his case.
48:08
But there's legitimate questions surrounding other aspects of your relationship
48:12
with Jeffrey Epstein. There's no doubt about that my name
48:16
has now been cleared and I can go back to
48:18
defending people and being controversial for good reasons, added Dershowitz,
48:23
who for years has publicly denied Robert's claims and even
48:27
accused her and her lawyers of perjury. Dershowitz walked back
48:31
that accusation in his settlement statement, in which he said
48:34
he has come to believe that at the time she
48:36
accused me, she believed what she said. So you see
48:39
Dershowitz here taking his little victory lap and talking about
48:42
how he's been exonerated forgets the part about his concessions.
48:48
And that's why I didn't even bother reading that op
48:50
ed that he wrote ridiculousness, save the propaganda, homie. But
48:57
in an exclusive statement to The Daily Beast Robert's challenges,
49:00
Dershowitz suggestions that he's been exonerated of her sexual abuse allegations.
49:05
And here's where the rubber meets the road. Right up
49:08
until this point and this statement, we only had the
49:12
statement to the court to go on about what Virginia
49:15
was thinking or why she decided to go ahead and
49:19
drop this lawsuit and have Alan Dershowitz in turn drop
49:23
his and now she's providing a little bit of context
49:27
and a little bit of insight into that. I was
49:31
shocked to read that Alan Dershowitz is claiming that our
49:34
mutual dismissal of our lawsuits against each other somehow exonerated him.
49:38
Robert said, the litigation was very stressful in damaging to
49:42
my family and to my health. That's what I said
49:45
in that first episode. And again, look, I don't have
49:47
no direct line to Virginia, you know, we don't speak,
49:51
you know, in DMS or anything like that. But it
49:54
just made sense to me considering how rough it is
49:58
in the best of times when you're litigating something. I've
50:01
seen friends of mine and family members of mine in
50:04
a little different of a circumstance, obviously with it being criminal,
50:07
but it really takes a toll on you. You lose weight,
50:11
all of that stuff, and if you have health issues,
50:14
it certainly can accelerate those health issues. So, like I've
50:18
thought in the beginning, that seems to be the likeliest
50:20
reason for this. Now, what do you have to gain? Right,
50:24
what's the actual gain at the end of the lawsuit
50:28
with Dershowitz, besides slamming the football and spiking at home,
50:31
and saying, look, you did this to me. Now, I'm
50:34
sure that would be sweet, but you have to, you know,
50:37
weigh the risk versus the reward, and the risk being
50:40
here more damage to the family, more damage to her health,
50:44
and just more litigation that she feels like she doesn't need.
50:48
At least according to the statement, we have endured years
50:52
in which mister Dershowitz asserted my charges against him were
50:55
a lie, made up out of a whole cloth, perjury,
50:59
and part of a purported extortion plot. He has now
51:02
admitted that there was no perjury, no extortion plot, and
51:06
that rather than making up what I said, I honestly
51:09
believe charges I made against him, and she is not
51:13
wrong about any of that. You know, Dershowitz isn't gonna
51:17
talk about his concessions. He's gonna try and frame it
51:19
as a gigantic victory for him and the detractors and
51:22
naysayers they'll do the same thing. Whether or not mister
51:28
dershowitz admissions undermine his previous denials of the charges made
51:32
against him. Is for others to say, the settlement agreement
51:36
limits what I can say, and I will abide by
51:39
it unless and until I am released from it. However,
51:42
those admissions are not consistent with exoneration, and I'm glad
51:47
that she came out and set the record straight because
51:50
a lot of times, if you just keep your silence,
51:53
you let narratives build, and people run with those narratives.
51:56
So a lot of times it's good to nip it
51:58
in the bud and put your side out and then
52:00
you can be done with it.
52:01
Speaker 2: Right.
52:01
Speaker 1: If I was Virginia, I wouldn't address it again. I
52:04
said my piece, this is what's going on. I don't
52:07
owe anybody anything else. I need to focus on my
52:10
health and my family. That's what I would say. Stopping
52:16
the false charges against me and securing mister Dershowitz's public
52:19
acknowledgment of my good faith was important to me and
52:23
my family. Roberts continued in her statement, However, I did
52:26
not and would never exonerate mister Dershowitz in return. So
52:31
there you have it in her own words, and really
52:34
that's what the most important thing here is, right?
52:37
Speaker 2: What did she have to say?
52:42
Speaker 1: Reached by phone on Monday and asked about Robert's new
52:45
comments that her statement fails to exonerate him, Dershowitz would
52:49
only repeat his prior claims that Robert's accusations of abuse
52:52
were untrue. I challenge her to repeat her allegation. Dershowitz
52:56
told The Daily Beast, It's a total, complete category lie.
53:01
I never met her, and I proved it conclusively. Ask
53:04
her to release all the evidence that came out in
53:06
discovery and you will see a total and complete exoneration.
53:09
Dershowitz went on to say, I have waived every single
53:13
right of privacy. I have waived every right of privacy
53:16
to every tape, recording, every video, recording, every photograph. I
53:21
asked her to do the same. A thirty nine year
53:24
old mother of three, Roberts, first accused Dershowitz of sexual
53:28
abuse in December of twenty fourteen. Aff David filed in
53:32
a federal lawsuit from two other survivors who sued the
53:35
government over Epstein's lenient non prosecution agreement in Florida. In
53:41
the court filing, Roberts alleged that Epstein and his ex
53:45
girlfriend co conspirator General all Around Scuzbag, fellow child abuser
53:49
and by Peterel Serpent accomplice Glenn Maxwell for her, forced
53:53
her to become their teenage sex slave and sent her
53:56
to powerful men to be sexually abused, including Dershowizz, French
54:00
modeling agent Jean Luke Brunel, who killed himself in a
54:03
Paris jail while awaiting child for rape, and Britain's Prince Andrew,
54:07
who settled a lawsuit with Roberts earlier this year for
54:11
millions of dollars. Now, I will say this for Dershowitz,
54:15
at least he went through the steps here and took
54:17
it through the court and came to this agreement. Now
54:20
do I think that's a good idea for him? You know, Look,
54:23
I wasn't in there. I don't know all of the evidence.
54:26
But for him to run around and acts like he's
54:28
been exonerated, that is quite the stretch. Robert's lawsuit against
54:36
Dershowitz was filed in April of twenty nineteen, months before
54:40
Epstein's arrest for trafficking miners in New York, and stems
54:43
from his comments about her in the wake of The
54:45
Miami Herald's investigative series on Epstein's plea deal. Later that year, Boys,
54:51
one of Robert's lawyers who had represented her in other matters,
54:54
filed a defamation suit against Dershowitz for accusing his firm
54:59
of ex stortion and suborning perjury in connection to Robert's claims.
55:04
For his part, Dershowitz filed a countersuit against Boys for
55:08
defamation and intentional infliction of emotional distress. So he had
55:12
two of the most powerful lawyers in the country dueling
55:15
it out over these claims of misconduct, basically back and forth.
55:22
Before last week's settlement, Boys had been conducting an ongoing
55:26
deposition of Dershowitz, who testified that his relationship with Epstein
55:30
changed completely after Epstein's two thousand and eight jail stint
55:33
for soliciting miners. After he served his time, my relationship
55:37
with him changed completely. It was no longer academic or social.
55:41
But I did meet with him on a number of occasions,
55:44
largely around the legal issues that were still remaining. And
55:48
that's the likely excuse, right, and it's one that will
55:51
give him tenable ground to stand upon. Unfortunately, as a lawyer,
55:55
he can say I was meeting with him for his
55:57
legal issues, even if they weren't. Dershowitz testified, according to
56:03
a transcript reviewed by The Daily Beast. As The New
56:06
York Times reported, Dershowitz abruptly stopped the questioning in late
56:09
September because of concerns about his health. I mean, come on,
56:14
and then all of a sudden, they have the settlement here.
56:17
So look, when you have a settlement, it's not just take,
56:20
there's given take. And there was never any exoneration for
56:24
Alan Dershowitz in the comments that we have read. Anyway,
56:31
Dershowitz testified that he also had discussions with Epstein about
56:35
the Middle East after his Florida conviction. He was friendly
56:38
with a number of prominent Israelis and so we had
56:41
conversations about the Middle East and the matters, legal matters. Oh,
56:45
I'm sure he was. We know he was great friends
56:48
with Edhud Barack, and I'm sure there's a slew of
56:51
a bunch of other people that he was working with.
56:53
He funded that company Carbine. Of his relationship with Epstein,
56:59
Dershwitz added that, knowing that he was guilty of these crimes,
57:02
that he had pleaded guilty of these crimes, my relationship
57:06
with him was completely different than it was before I
57:09
learned about the accusations. Emails cited in the deposition transcripts, however,
57:14
seemed to paint a picture of a particularly chummy relationship
57:17
between Epstein and Dershowitz even after the creepy money manager
57:22
pedophile incarceration. Of course they were still paling around. Come on,
57:26
common sense says, anyway, now Dershel again, he'll use the excuse. Look,
57:31
I was a lawyer. I was just doing my job.
57:33
He had legal issues and I had to deal with them.
57:35
Speaker 2: That's what.
57:37
Speaker 1: In November twenty twelve, the deposition testimony reveals, Epstein wrote Dershowitz,
57:43
I love that I get a Christmas card and present
57:45
from former assistant US Attorney Matt Menchel, the guy that
57:49
put me in jail. Dershowitz replied, appropriate, Christmas celebrates the
57:54
birth of another innocent Jewish guy who was crucified. So
57:58
we're going to compare Jeffrey Epstein to Jesus Christ? Is
58:01
that what you're telling me here, mister Dershowitz and Matt
58:05
Menchell sending this dude Christmas presents and shit.
58:08
Speaker 2: Bro.
58:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, the prosecution wasn't in on it. The prosecution didn't
58:12
work with Epstein's lawyers to make sure he gets this
58:14
sweetheart deal. Give me a fucking break already. Obviously my
58:19
answer was hyperbole, and it was paraphrasing Epstein's own stated
58:23
views that he himself received in an inappropriately harsh sentence, Dershowitz,
58:27
you said the same thing, Dershowitz testified when asked about
58:31
the message, he added that it bears not at all
58:34
on the nature of the relationship between Epstein and myself
58:37
during this period of time. And look, let's not get
58:41
ahead of ourselves. This is a silver tongued man. This
58:44
is a man who knows how to deal with the deposition,
58:46
has been involved in many, many depositions throughout his life,
58:51
and somebody who knows how to navigate these questions. In
58:56
May twenty thirteen, Epstein wrote to Dershowitz, where are you
59:01
this summer? Dershowitz replied that he'd be on Martha's vineyard
59:04
before adding where are you? I called you a couple
59:07
of times when I was in NYC. Miss you. Yeah,
59:10
that's the relationship of a client and a lawyer. A
59:13
lot of these lawyers who do their job and defend scumbags,
59:17
they don't want anything to do with the scumbags. Afterwards
59:20
they go on and live their life. Look, this is
59:22
my job, and I respect those lawyers. You can be
59:26
a lawyer and defend scumbag people and still be an
59:29
honorable person. You have a job to do. I've said
59:31
this a million times. It doesn't matter how much of
59:33
a degenerate piece of garbage you are. In this country.
59:37
Everybody's entitled to legal defense, and if you can afford
59:40
top notch legal defense, hey great. But that doesn't mean
59:44
the lawyer has to be your buddy afterwards. Dershowitz was
59:51
also questioned about a twenty fourteen email with a friend
59:55
Tom Ash, who wanted to visit Epstein's New Mexico land
59:58
with his son to collect petro. Jeffrey Epstein said, of course.
1:00:02
Dershowitz email to friend reads to which the power responds,
1:00:06
how do we do it? Do we just show up there?
1:00:08
Or do we need to call someone?
1:00:09
Speaker 2: Don't know?
1:00:10
Speaker 1: Try calling. If you can't reach anyone, I will call Jae.
1:00:14
So is this what you do with an acquaintance or
1:00:16
a friend? Let me ask you put yourself in these shoes.
1:00:19
Would you just be calling up an acquaintance and saying
1:00:21
to him, hey, can my friends come on your land
1:00:23
and look for petroglyphs? Or would that be a friend
1:00:26
and that then that a request you would make from
1:00:29
a friend. I know I wouldn't just ask some random
1:00:31
or acquaintance that thanks. Maybe a young girl will answer,
1:00:38
the friend wrote. When asked about that email, Dershowitz testified,
1:00:42
it's a joke. He later clarified, so obviously Ash was
1:00:45
trying to make a bad joke and it was a
1:00:47
silly joke. He shouldn't have said it, but he said it.
1:00:50
He doesn't mean it seriously. Oh no, not at all.
1:00:53
Just a big joke. Everything's a big joke. So garbage man.
1:01:00
In Robert's exclusive statements to The Daily Beast, she also
1:01:03
refers to the litigation between Boys and Dershowitz, who released
1:01:06
their own statements as part of the settlement. Both Robert's
1:01:10
and Boy's lawsuits courtch record show were settled without costs
1:01:14
or monetary award. I also note that my statement needs
1:01:19
to be considered in the context of the statement issued
1:01:21
by mister Dershowitz and David Boys. Roberts continued in her statement,
1:01:26
mister Boyce sued mister Dershowitz for charging mister Boys with souburning,
1:01:30
perjury and extortion. Mister Dershowitz flatly retracted those charges, and
1:01:35
mister Boys dismissed his lawsuit. Mister Dershowitz sued mister Boyce
1:01:40
for charging mister Dershowitz with participating in Epstein's sex trafficking
1:01:45
and other misconduct. Roberts continued, mister Boyse did not retract
1:01:49
any of those charges, but mister Dershowitz nevertheless dismissed his
1:01:53
claims against mister Boyce. That too hardly seems like exoneration.
1:01:57
And look, she's not wrong about that. Didn't even really
1:02:00
pick up on that during the initial release, to be
1:02:02
honest with you, But she's right. I have long believed
1:02:09
mister Dershowitz participated in my sex trafficking. I have not
1:02:13
and would not retract what I have said. However, under
1:02:16
all the circumstances, I was prepared to acknowledge the possibility
1:02:20
that I may have made a mistake in identifying mister
1:02:22
Dershowitz as part of a resolution of all pending litigation.
1:02:27
And right there is it signals to me the reasoning
1:02:31
behind it. Right, Virginia just didn't want to deal with
1:02:33
it anymore, folks, That's what it looks like. And honestly,
1:02:36
who can blame her? I was and am prepared to
1:02:39
leave to the judgment of the public end of history,
1:02:42
whether to accept that my belief, which mister Dershowitz acknowledges,
1:02:47
was honest, or to accept mister dershowitz assertion that I
1:02:50
was mistaken, Roberts concluded. For over a decade, Roberts was
1:02:54
among Epstein's most high profile survivors, one who gave international
1:03:00
media interviews about surviving Epstein's sex ring and about her
1:03:03
accusations against Prince Andrew, and created a nonprofit for sex
1:03:08
trafficking victims called Speak Out, Act Reclaim or SOAR. Her
1:03:13
civil litigation against Maxwell, settled before trial, excavated much of
1:03:18
what the public knows about Epstein's trafficking scheme and the
1:03:22
bipedal's role in his world. So it was Virginia who
1:03:26
blew the doors off of all of this, really, and
1:03:28
her depositions and all of the case files that we see. However,
1:03:33
remember there are countless other women out there who never
1:03:36
came forward, who were abused by these people. And while
1:03:42
Roberts wasn't called as the witness at Maxwell's criminal trial,
1:03:46
her name permeated the testimony. Manhattan Federal Judge Alison Nathan,
1:03:50
at Maxwell's sentencing in June, ruled that Roberts was a
1:03:53
victim in the conspiracy, and allowed her lawyer to read
1:03:56
aloud a victim impact statement from her court. Karen Batar,
1:04:01
a partner at Say Barth shaw LLP who represented boys
1:04:05
in Dershowitz's countersuit, pushed back on Dershowitz's claims that Robert's
1:04:09
remarks have exonerated him. All that she said is I
1:04:13
may be wrong. She never said she was wrong. She
1:04:16
said she believes and continues to believe what she says.
1:04:19
For him to twist that and claim he was exonerated
1:04:22
is incorrect and it really couldn't be further from the truth,
1:04:25
Batar said. Batar also said Dershowitz's media appearances likely violated
1:04:31
the terms of the settlement agreement. Yo, Okay, well maybe
1:04:34
it did. Now, I wonder what would the penalties for
1:04:37
something like that even be. The agreement was that under
1:04:43
these circumstances, the parties would be limited to the contents
1:04:46
of the statement that had been mutually agreed upon. But
1:04:50
he Dershowitz immediately went well beyond the parameters of that statement,
1:04:55
sought out the press, and violated the terms and intent
1:04:58
of the agreement. For one to immediately disregard what they
1:05:01
just agreed to is certainly atypical, but unfortunately, based on
1:05:06
how Dershowitz conducted himself in our case, not surprising and
1:05:10
I can only imagine what was going on behind the scenes,
1:05:12
right you know, Dershowitz. This dude's pressing and pushing and
1:05:17
straight up acting a fool. Imron and Zari, a lawyer
1:05:22
for Dershowitz, told The Daily Beast that his client's recent
1:05:25
media comments are consistent with the contents of the agreed statement.
1:05:30
He has, in essence, repeated his denial as to Miss
1:05:33
Robert's allegation of sexual abuse, an allegation that he has
1:05:37
consistently denied as contained in the statement, while reiterating Miss
1:05:42
Robert's statement that she may have made a mistake in
1:05:44
identifying him as contained in the statement and that there
1:05:48
was no payment of any money by anyone or anything
1:05:51
else as contained in the statement. As such, we disagree
1:05:55
with the claim that mister Dershowitz is in violation of
1:05:58
an agreement. And it's gonna be this kind of thing
1:06:02
back and forth, a lot of legal ease. This is
1:06:04
how Dershowitz rolls. He wants to make it as painful
1:06:07
and as miserable for people as possible. And when you're
1:06:10
a high profile lawyer and you can go through a
1:06:13
lot of this stuff yourself, and it's a lot easier
1:06:15
to litigate it, isn't it. It's also a lot less
1:06:18
cost restrictive because you know the ins and outs and
1:06:22
all the rest of the nonsense that comes along with
1:06:24
being one of these high profile lawyers. But when this
1:06:28
first broke and we were first talking about it, I
1:06:30
figured that this was what it was, That Virginia Roberts
1:06:33
had had enough and she wants to go on and
1:06:36
live a normal life for the semblance of a normal
1:06:39
life with her family and her loved ones. So there
1:06:43
you have it, folks, Virginia's response to Alan Dershowitz taking
1:06:47
a victory lap. And I figured it wouldn't be long
1:06:49
before we saw this, So as new information pops up,
1:06:52
like usual, we will add it to the catalog. All right, folks,
1:06:56
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