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#14 - Air Fryer Toast, HydraFusion, Licensing and LinkedIn Dating 😵‍💫 · Unresolved Dependencies

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_02: Guten Morgen, gut and Sun and Shine Diesel, Doctor Daf sneptraulicsign.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_02: Guten Morgen, gutin Morgen, good morgen, Sebastian.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_02: How are you doing today?
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_02: Do you like my little song?
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: What what what did I do wrong?
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: To get to this point in line.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_03: I sang you a lovely birthday greeting song in your natural language, and yet birthday greeting song.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_03: No, morning greeting, sorry.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: Morning greeting.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: I already thought like it's on my birthday.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, well, it could be your birthday.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_03: It could be your birthday with a song like that.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_00: So how are you doing?
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: I take the cake, sorry.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_01: You take the cake.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm doing good.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: How are you?
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_00: And welcome back to a new Unresolved Dependencies podcast episode.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I was just saying before, we seem to be dressed up a bit today.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_03: I've got I've got a nice shirt on.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_03: You're looking pretty.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_03: You've got more of a summer shirt on.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_03: I think you've still got you're clinging on to those summer vibes still.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, it's looking good.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, today today will be a nice warm, sunny day here in Germany with a chill 25 degrees Celsius.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever this is in Freedom Units, I don't know, and I'm not um they've been renamed now.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's even an executive board, it's renamed them 100%.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: But this basically, I could make like a this is like a very nice summer weather.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: So perfect for a little more summerish wipe today after it was um a bit blurry and uh dark and rainy the last days.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I'm really happy to jump on that.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what is also a nice place for summer and maybe it's worth spending some vacation there?
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_03: Don't know.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: Would I pass?
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we we were there, which coincidentally was actually the answer to last uh the last year's travels, which I may have given away later in the episode.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_03: So I think Sharon again managed to get the correct answer on Instagram.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: So Sharon is definitely need to get her something.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_03: Sharon is at this point, she's the she's our only listener at this point, the only person supporting us behind the scenes.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_03: So I think I feel that the pressure is mounting at me to give something to her.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, so thank you.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_03: Well done for that for guessing it.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, as you'd expect, you know, this feature is just so popular, so we're just gonna continue it, you know.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_03: I think if I was to stop it now, I think I would get hate for stopping it.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_03: So I've just got to continue it now and turn the time.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_03: So with that in mind, I'm traveling again, would you believe?
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm actually tomorrow.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I am traveling again.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_03: So the clue to where I'm traveling, I'm going to a city where there is a which is quite famous for an absolute scream of a picture, uh, and also is unique in terms of having uh an obelisk of naked bodies.
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  SPEAKER_03: Where am I going next?
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm interested, but where are you going next?
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  SPEAKER_03: Incidentally, I don't think that that's what the screen of a picture was screaming at.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but who knows?
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe, maybe not.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, where am I going next?
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_03: So let us know either on the socials, Instagram, LinkedIn, uh, not on TikTok yet because we're not cool enough.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, or you can also sort of email us at hello at unresolved dependencies.com.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_03: Send your answer through any questions you've got.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_03: We'd be more than happy to hear from you.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're not cool enough for TikTok, those are my takeaway.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_00: No cool.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: I think we I think I think I think we may need to.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: It might be because you never know.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_03: Some of these uh some of these reels I've been speaking to uh so shout out to Stephanie, who is uh who is I think also a listener of the uh of the pod, gave us some good tips as well.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and also I think really likes the funny reels that we're sort of doing.
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  SPEAKER_03: So maybe maybe we should just have all the uh me doing like crazy um fun stuff, uh shit posting stuff, put that on TikTok, and then we instead just focus all the serious stuff on LinkedIn.
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  SPEAKER_03: Maybe that maybe that's a strategy.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_03: So we'd be talking so we be so we become TikTok famous, um, but we still have a serious angle.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because because you think LinkedIn is the serious platform of both of them.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, I read it, I saw something interesting this morning.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_03: I'll dig up the story, put it in the notes.
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  SPEAKER_03: Apparently, now uh I think one in four people uh are now using LinkedIn as their new sort of dating app.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so it's the new sort of way.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: I I totally believe that.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: Why do you want your um uh date the wipe engineering officer of of Promex, for example?
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: So so why is this not its thing?
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_00: Or sorry, how should you figure out that the the guy is doing at least six figures a month?
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh a year, sorry, a month.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, but a year.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, that that definitely opens up so many uh possibilities and as well giving such a good idea on like what this person is about and how they are behaving.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_03: So the real I saw, I think it was maybe the Times independent.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'll dig it out and put it in the in the chat.
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  SPEAKER_03: So she was doing an internship, uh, got on quite well with a guy there, uh proceeds to then add him on LinkedIn and then did the whole sort of the whole sort of like, you know, uh, oh, I'd love to meet for a coffee and talk about your work, you know.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_03: So the usual, the usual kind of uh tricks there, and then yeah, one thing led to another, and then there you go.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: No one tried those on my side, to be honest.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_03: But so you maybe need to work on your uh LinkedIn game, maybe.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, maybe get a nice sort of um what do they call it, like first trap sort of like picture or something like that, something that's good that sort of gets people really.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_03: You don't like my LinkedIn picture.
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  unknown: Good.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_03: It's it it's okay.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: You kind of you're on stage, you're on stage.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_03: I can see you on stage, you're at Dynamics Minds, which obviously always good to give Dynamics Minds a bit of a shout-out, but we can't really see your your your Shoner's face as clearly.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_03: So, but then actually, you don't need to do this because you've got a girlfriend.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_03: So, I mean it's all you know.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_03: So, actually, at this point, if you were to do it, then that's probably pretty suspect, I would say.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe it would help if you would do better pictures while I'm speaking when you're already attending my session.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: We know I'm missing pictures of that we've not done recently.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_03: Sebastian's eats.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_03: I need to know, and we've not we've had a few nice pictures of what you're eating.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_03: We need to you need to tell us what you've been eating and we need pictures of it because I want to see it.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, you're right, you're right.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: I I really missed on the taking pictures game, but um, I got you this time.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: So I actually have two two sort of things I could mention here.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: So so one is of course our lovely fine dining evening eating with uh you and as well Zara uh or Sora and as well Daniel Laskowitz.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: So this could be one thing, but I thought like this is this is not my cup of tea, this is not where this category belongs to.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I do have a very fine art dining cheese and ham double decker toast, which I did in the Mighty Air Fryer again.
• 7:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it is an air fryer, it is a toast, it is cheese and ham, whatever you want more.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_00: There is basically fruit toasts with with ham and cheese, uh, a little bit of chilies there, and as well sprinkled with with some ham and uh some cheese on top, which I did uh a late night snack on Saturday because I had a tremendous travel back from Budapest, which was at the end I came not home at like 6 pm as planned, I was home at midnight.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: So I was lucky to get home at all on that same day, um, which only was a 12-hour commute from door to door just to hop on to Budapest.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: So as a as a reference, I think the um the the traveling there was like door to door like four and a half hours, something like that.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: So um I had a hell of a journey back, so I was greeted back uh by my nicely air fryer, and then basically hopped on the good old toasts with cheese and ham.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, and but you went quite far there because usually if you're tired, you just all right, stick it in straight away, don't worry about it, and then usually it's a bit crappy.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds like you went the extra mile, you did some seasoning, you got some it was cheaper.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: You did really I even like I cut it in half and take a picture of it.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was that good.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, okay.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_03: Well, given given that journey you've had, then but I mean you'll get the compensation, hopefully, at least if you yeah, hopefully you may you may need to pry it from the cold lifeless hands of the Tanza, but yeah, at least you get some money back for the flight.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I'm not so experienced in the whole traveling game as you are, so I I need to first see what options I have.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, there so flight was delayed, the other flight then um I missed, and then the rebooking was on the next day for like a 45 minutes trip.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: So I definitely opted into hey, I can just take the train, and then they were like, Yeah, cool, okay, of course.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, then as well, the train got cancelled.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_00: It was sitting there.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, yeah.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: So for the uninitiated travel in case it's useful, or so the relevant compensation or the relevant legislation here for delays is the EU 261 um legislation.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, the UK also has it, UK 261.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_03: We put it into legislation, I think, before Brexit.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_03: So basically it means if your flight is delayed for three hours or more, if it's cancelled without sufficient notice, if you're denied boarding, and if the disruption was purely down to the airline's control because they messed things up, they didn't pack the bags quick enough, they were tardy with the flights due to previous delays, whatever it is.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_03: Basically, any kind of non-revelated or significant kind of event, then you will be owed compensation.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_03: Probably for it depends on the length of the flight.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_03: For a short haul flight, you probably get somewhere in the region about maybe 250, 300 euros back.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, they they they are required to compensate you back in money, but very often airlines will instead give you a voucher.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_03: Uh so KLM, for example, will sometimes give you a voucher for slightly more as a kind of a teaser for you to do that.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_03: Finair have also done that in the past as well.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_03: So know your rights, know your rights, and make sure you get compensation back from these airlines because yeah, they they don't deserve to keep all this money.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: Let's have it right, you know.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um there we go.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but the only reason I was on a flight, I think we mentioned it, um, was that uh we've already shifted an enter summit on Friday in Budapest.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: So you want to quickly recap that one, or do you think yeah?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_03: I I had a lot of fun.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I I keep forgetting just how there's a lot of um Microsoft sort of like uh consultancies, a lot of interest, basically a huge community in Hungary.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like you just wouldn't I I continually remain surprised just uh around the globe, just where you find these little pockets of stuff.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like the second year of the event.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_03: I think was it about 400 people in total there?
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_03: Around, yes.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think that was like defined number, yeah.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_03: And there's some really great sort of uh really great sort of sessions going on there, good mix of different sort of uh technical, business focused kind of sessions.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh I attended a great session uh with a guy called Nathan Sweeney and uh some new guy I've never met before, Sebastian.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: Um seems to be new, but sort of rough around the edges, but maybe he's got promise and potential.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_03: They did a really good session.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_03: They did a really good session on uh Copilot Studio versus Foundry, which I think is a hot topic for me, certainly at the moment.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and yeah, lots of other sort of interesting sessions about purview security, all that sort of good stuff.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_03: So I had a wonderful time.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_03: Did you have a wonderful time, Sebastian?
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: I've always had a wonderful time, so it was really um nice to see as well a lot of I would say local people, local community members, local speakers as well.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll focus around the the whole uh community ecosystem basically um in that area around uh in in Hungary.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: So it was very nice to see, um, as well with some dear-old friends, like already mentioned at the beginning.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: We had some as well as some good dinner there, um, but as well the event itself, it uh kind of made me feel fall back in love with like these one-day events where you basically just uh go there, learn something new, go home.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, which is pretty nice because very often those events want to go bigger and greater and um more more people, more more sessions, more tracks, more of everything.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: And then at the end, you are just like in between sessions, you're here, there, there is something, here is something.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: But it was a really nice, cozy event with a lot of good sessions, as you already mentioned.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think as well, you premiered some content there with um someone from the community, and uh that was nice to see.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: That was nice to see that there was like your good focus on the session, your smooth track, and it was not not too much of everything, and it was I think pretty damn decent as I want to say.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_03: And and and we proved the point, we and we proved the point.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_03: We we do interact with each other socially beyond this podcast.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_03: We are actually we can actually stand each other's company for more than I think two, three hours.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_03: Well, actually longer than that in the end, wasn't it?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, it was um what one thing I will mention about the the restaurant, which was really, really kind of cool.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: I keep telling people about it.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_03: So, like they they brought out like I think just before like they handed out the bread, they sort of put down some candles, lit them.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_03: We were all just chatting, minding our own sort of business, all that sort of stuff.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_03: They then sort of then laid out the bread and the butter, uh, and then they just picked up the candles, blew them out, and then just sort of went, Oh, yeah, those candles, by the way, are sort of uh duck fat that you can dip your bread in.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_03: And we were all just like, Oh, like, oh my god, yeah.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_03: So that was that was pretty sort of cool.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_03: Like little things like that during a dinner that you just don't quite expect.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so it helps with the performance aspect for sure.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_00: That was a really nice, nice story.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, what is happening in the world of power platform?
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: I want to know, and I've actually got something as well.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_03: So this week.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so I should I may start with something which is a bit more because we talked about it, and people following that podcast, they should uh be aware of the basic concept, the foundation skills.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: So so skills is this little um.md file, which um is meanwhile everywhere you go when you want to work with AI, copilot, or similar.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: So these files or these instructions of business processes um that can, for example, also refer to scripts or documents, or for example, in terms of PowerPoint to images, which is pretty nice, um, not only found their way into PowerPoint as just mentioned, but now also on the M45 um copilot harness, which means they are available for agent builder now as well.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: So if you do have a personal or within the team shared agent that does a very specific task, for example, analyzes uh a certain sort of document once you upload it, or um it's just there to answer you some questions across um internal knowledge sources or about rules inside your team.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: That agent um is not capable to handle skills as well, so you can as well write a bit more complex things down.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, if you analyze an Excel file, you can directly convert this into, I don't know, some kind of charts overview.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of um receiving or need to uh prompt engineer a lot and receiving just always a little bit different uh output, you can define all of these different steps within the skill and then as well uh take it ahead and um use that skill to um make your agent a bit more smarter, I want to say.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, pretty pretty interesting to say that like skill is now the universal addressing point for everything when it comes to uh how logic and business logic could work in in agentic applications.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: So we have it now in Copilot Studio, of course, Foundry uh on the GitHub Copilot side, of course.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: We do have it in the agent skills side and the agent builder side, we do have it on Dataverse, we do have it on um what else is there?
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_00: S fabric skills, perhaps.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um there's one more uh PowerPoint and Office, basically.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: So there is there's a whole wide range where you use skills and then as well can reuse them.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, and Cobor, of course.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: Forgot about that that fellow.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: So um it's always as well an option to reuse them or to to have the same setup across these apps.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, this is new on the on the AI side on terms of skills.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I think there's maybe an interesting nugget there.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_03: I've just gone into Agent Builder just to kind of see if I can confirm it, but that would mean that if skills are supportive of Agent Builder, then new agents that you create in Agent Builder are using GitHub copilot harness behind the scenes because agent builder agents, in case you didn't all all always know, they're always just a copilot studio agent, technically speaking, behind the scenes.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: They go and basically create it in some hidden environment behind the scenes in the environments in the in the tenant level.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: There was a message center posting this last year, so it looks like maybe Agent Builder, new agent builder agents are getting copilot harness agents, or yeah, um, they are at least like using um capabilities of that.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, at this point in time, um, I don't have information about like if there's any change in licensing or so.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but but I don't expect it to be fair because um it it was or is so far always um part of the M65 co-pilot license, and you had no um no chance to change this.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: So you have no chance to uh change the the harness there.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: You just create an agent and then you go ahead with agent builder.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but yeah, it I think the the the like technical reason is that under the hood then there's this leveraging a bit more of the um GitHub co-pilot harness.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's certainly the new interface kind of looks a little bit like it is sort of um more sort of GitHub sort of copilot harness-y, harness-y in terms of appearance.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, quite interesting what's happening.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'm actually still kind of playing around here, kind of in the background now, but uh yeah, agent build has always been kind of an interesting one for me.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, yeah, it's just one of many kind of different sort of options.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: I think that it's definitely good for, I guess, proof of concepts or for it's all around this whole sort of theory, okay, allowing anyone to build an agent.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: And Microsoft strategy is okay, regardless of who you are, there's going to be an option for you to build an agent.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then as well, definitely for a scope.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: So this is, I think, the the biggest selling point or the biggest learning point we as well include in our sessions, um, as well when we talk to colleagues, or in general, um, usually the scope for agent builder is then on the um personal productivity view, or for example, for a smaller team, and ones you need to roll out to the whole organization, to multiple teams, to maybe the whole department, Copala Studio is your answer, and especially if you want to bring in more data sources because the uh tool selection in um Agent Builder is limited, but maybe for just having something on your daily work, it's a pretty nice uh option to explore.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: And if you want to know more about the difference in Agent Builder and Copala Studio, come to Scotter Summit on 3rd of October.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: I see what you did there.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_03: See, I thought I thought that you were just sharing some good knowledge, you know, if for purely altruistic regions, but reasons but it's it was just simply a it's even better session next month.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's even better, it's even better.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: I will share it in person so you can come up and and ask a question and um get your question free and as well learn more on the day than just like about um studio and ancient builder.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, if you want to know about more skills, then you definitely should come to Nordic Summit where I talk about uh skills in general.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, skills are increasingly important.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying to force myself to learn it a little bit kind of in anger at the moment, but certainly uh skills can be like yeah, or well, it's just I'm I'm just I'm just I think I'm just getting too old now, like trying to leave learning this stuff.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_03: I have to really kind of apply myself to kind of learn this sort of stuff.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_03: But for me, it's like okay, yeah, with skills, skills are fine on their own, but it's when you then start to mix and match um tools, I think MCP in particular, that's where the magic starts to happen.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and where potentially the skills can do some pretty powerful things, uh, where they could also maybe drop your entire production environment as well, if you're not too careful.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_03: So, yeah.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, I have a skill that deletes things.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, everyone everyone has that skill because we all have that, we all have that feeling, you know.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: We've we've we've we've built out our solution.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: We wake up in the cold sweats 2 3am in the morning, and we just want to completely, you know, like like like the art like the artists of old, we just want to just delete everything that we've done because it because it's it's rubbish, it's crap, it's whatever it is.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a different it's a different case.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: So I um the skill I have is deleting created demo data, which we Was created on the day during a demo or something so that I have the same reset or the same situation the next time I'm demoing the same functionality.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: Does this does it it not deletes any production so far?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, you'll you're working at a level beyond me then.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: You you are literally living the the the AI fantasy of having all these skills, agents kind of just ringing you up while you're driving, sort of going, Hey Sebastian, I just I sorry to disturb you while you're driving, but I just I just raised a PR for your review later.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, I would love to have that.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I'm I'm not sure about the ecosystem yet.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm I'm currently figuring out but uh but for that I build an app.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: So um it's like do you know this right Rick and Morty episode where there's like this little yellow fellow guy and like you want to build an app?
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: So this is this is how GitHub Copa looks at me like every day and and now it finally worked.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I built an app.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_03: Don't don't but don't fund your AI by-coded app, yes, for sure.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, it's it is basically just for my personal productivity to sort out priorities.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's the only thing, and it has no AI connection at the moment unless it was white-coded.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, that's not a topic.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_00: You also said you have you have some updates and some news with you, right?
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_03: So interesting, an interesting tidbit.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_03: So um, I'm sure everyone is connected or follows uh Yuka from Finland.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, so make sure you do.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_03: I'll drop a link to the post as well.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_03: He's usually very good at being able to highlight stuff maybe kind of slightly out of the ordinary or things that you've not quite seen.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um, there's going to be some licensing compliance uh kind of enforcement kind of thing that's going to be applying from February 2027 onwards.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_03: So it's going to be a case that, okay, they're going to be a lot more sort of stricter if you haven't got a license.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, if you're, for example, uh using apps in manage environments and users aren't licensed correctly, if there's use of custom apps outside of a Dynamics 365 environment context, all this sort of stuff, then you need to ensure you've got the appropriate license.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: So it sounds like they're going to be a bit more stricter.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: It sounds like possibly this could be the long-awaited kind of maybe technical enforcement.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so I would suggest that yeah, you do take a look at this announcement and kind of get your house in order.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because yeah, you don't want to be hitting February and then suddenly, for example, okay, you are getting errors in your power apps because you've maybe been using a Dataverse table, protected Dataverse table for you know for all these years, and then suddenly, yeah, it's going to be a case that uh uh yeah, you need you you're not able to use it anymore because you don't have a team member license or a sales or professional enterprise whatever license.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_03: So do take a look at that and make sure things are all set up correctly.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: Well, yeah, that's definitely something you don't want to get to back to your shop for like need to um or like pay like your licenses from the past or from like the usage because I think when it comes to enforcement, then first of all, there are two options.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: First of all, um your implement feature doesn't work anymore, or it in case of there is it's connected to an audit or something, you then enforce to pay from like the usage till today what um was missing out, and this like date of usage might be not your go-life date, so this is something that's um a bit tough to define from uh from Microsoft side.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: So they were basically just the traffic and go from there.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but this has been in the post for uh donkey's years, as we say, for a lot of years.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_03: You know, uh it was always a case that okay, enforcement would uh always come in place once the relevant reporting tools were kind of in place to help you manage this.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, I think it's possible today to go into PPAC, see that information, go into M365.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, just check now.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_03: I'd probably you know, do yourself a favor, don't be sort of leaving it to the last minute because yeah, you don't want the nasty problem uh service its head early next year.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's not that is not a good New Year's present.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know about you, but uh yeah.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, not something I'm appreciating a lot.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, oh yeah, my production environment's down because I'm not properly licensed.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, do not give that as a gift to your colleagues.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, that was my little tidbit.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think you have some more to share, Sebastian.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_03: You're doing very well today.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_03: You have some more.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: I have maybe some preview news.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: So um there is there is one preview we um, due to the recording date and time, we can say a bit more.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: The round we can say a bit less, but we potentially just pick it up then for the next episode.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: So you'd be being very risky here, you're potentially breaking NDA.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not breaking, yeah, but then but then but then you're not breaking NDA because it's gonna be out afterwards.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, one whenever this re whenever you listen to this episode, you will have seen the news, and there was an announcement later for for us, it's today.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: For you, it was last week, Tuesday.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: So, um, in terms of that, I would assume we are good to go.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but this I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a lawyer, but I think yeah, you should be good.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a lawyer.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: I I will not, I will blame you.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: So exactly.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um but the the thing we could talk about, first of all, is the hydrofusion research preview.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: So basically hydrofusion.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: What rewind yeah, rewind.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, start again.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: What is hydrofusion?
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: Hydra fusion.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_03: Hydra hydra is in as in the people from Captain America.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, exactly.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, that doesn't sound ominous at all, but yeah, please continue.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, it sounds pretty good.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I bet as a German, it sounds pretty good.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right, all right.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, it's it's evil organization.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, sounds good to me, yeah.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, makes sense.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh basically, it's um it's um wouldn't you be interested in um routing your task through different LMs and uh save tokens while it's still getting a quite good result, Joe.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'm I'm so interested in that.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_03: I just want to make sure that I'm optimizing my token usage.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: I need those tokens to pay for other essential services like water, food, uh, and entertainment in the evenings.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, please help me save my tokens.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me how I can do that.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Hydro Fusion is your answer.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's basically an intelligent routing across multiple AI models, and it's improving the quality and as well as optimizing cost and performance.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: So it's an adaptive part where, like um, based on the um the task you prompt, um, it chases it chooses three different execution patterns, I would say.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: So there's the single execution part.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: So if there's just a direct task, so there's just like a model that gets selected and then uh solves the task.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: So for example, if you ask how we will be the better today, goes directly there, come back.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, then there is cascade as a second pattern, and this is an efficient model um that attempts the task first, but with an um automatic escalation to a stronger model if additional reasoning is required.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: So um the model tries to solve your task, not sure if this is like 100% the result you want to see, and then it kind of pings back like a senior um resource that can uh help and pinpoint it to the right answer.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of just like having the more senior model in the first place, um that burns more tokens, you just get the senior model involved when there is an open question to it, or there is maybe some refinement to do.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: So instead of, for example, you Joseph, you need to do all of this work what all of your employees are doing, they're only ping you whenever your uh input is needed.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: So it's kind of so it's kind of a bit like um model router, and this will be for copilot studio, is it?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: Or um no, so right now it is for GitHub Copilot CLI.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: This is the current preview limitation.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so you can try it in the co-pilot CLI version.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I update the late to the latest version, then put in slash experimental to turn on the experimental mode, and then if you do a slash model, you can select the hydrofusion preview.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's there's a third one.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: There's a third pattern.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because we have model router in foundry for quite a while now, so it's kind of similar kind of basically.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: But the model router in foundry works a little bit different, so um it basically just picks the best model for the case.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_00: Here we are then basically do have a more intelligent um behavior with the cascading, and the last one, the critique pattern, where uh the one model that guts choosen um generates the solution and there's several model reviews it.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: We have seen that, for example, from the um M55 Copilot researcher agent, where you can um basically research something with the open AI models and then have a cloud model to refine that and critique that output.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: So you get AI check in AI's homework and then going, okay, here you go.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_03: I know this is correct because this other AI, this other AI uh person I know over here, great guy, love him, knows his stuff.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: Uh he told me it looks okay.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: So here you go, Sebastian.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_03: It looks good to me.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so so these are your three approaches, and then um you can try it out in the GitHub Co-Polit CLI.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: As mentioned, it's still in preview.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um but you are able to try it out, see if it saves you some tokens, and then I would assume potentially this then at least will be part of the co-pilot uh GitHub Co-Pilot chat.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, whenever this comes in as well into Copilot Studio, we will definitely talk about it again.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I mean, for the matter of fact, previews are always a little bit with a question mark, so some of them are just staying preview forever or get dropped after some time.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: So but I think this definitely has potential.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the naming is interesting, like Hydra.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_03: It didn't sound like super evil anonymous until you then said, right, okay, it's gonna go over to another AI to confirm something.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: So it's almost like it's like you know, two AIs kind of whispering in the background, sort of like conspiring against each other, and then going to you saying, Oh, we think this is the best thing, or yeah, we think that you should go and you know eliminate humanity because you know, or for these reasons, that's not not shady at all, right?
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_00: Not shady as at all, but also when you think about um not all of the model provider could be evil, right?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: So there could be maybe a good good one and a bad one, and then you just play them against each other each other.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_03: But it's it's easy in the system prompt, just put don't be evil, problem solved.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_03: Don't be evil.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, okay, okay.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_03: Easy as that, yeah.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_00: Just don't kill the humans.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: I think this does this basically prevent um would prevent Terminator.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Is that how it goes?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_03: This is this is what this you you're on my exact wavelength at the moment with all this sort of stuff.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_03: But um, but no, I mean the pattern in terms of we've seen it quite common now.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of workflows that developers are doing, they effectively you hand off work to other agents.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_03: So I would have an agent to build to write my code, an agent to do my tests, an agent to maybe go and do some performance analysis.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_03: So you're passing the work between all these different agents as opposed to you know colleagues in the past, uh, and they're the and each of these are kind of optimized for specific workloads.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: So you're basically telling like the QA agent, okay, you are your job is to be super critical, your job is to focus on user things, you always point out things.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_03: So you can give each of these agents kind of more of a kind of, I guess I term it may be more of a uh an arsehole personality, perhaps, when it comes to analyzing things, providing critical sort of stuff.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_03: And I think you know, from a um if you're just a single developer, then this really revolutionizes your workflow completely because you're not dependent on other humans, you can build stuff faster, you can make sure it's tested ultimately, and you're you're you're living that sort of dream, you know, the AI vibe coded dream.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe that's your dream.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I'll see.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's my dream.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_03: I want that so much.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_03: I just want to I just want to be a vibe, a vibe, a cool vibe, vibe dude, you know, you know, just just about the vibes.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's a certain walk, you know, certain way you sort of walk into sort of like you know, bars and stuff like that.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_03: You know, there's just a whole there's a whole um uh what is it, vibecore.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: Let's call it vibecore, vibecore maxing.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: Vibecore maxing.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there we go.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: I can see, I can see.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, so so this is definitely a preview to try out, even though it had an evil name based on Joe.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: And the number announcement is um, as mentioned, it will be out for us a little bit, a few hours in the future, around like eight hours or so.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um so in case you have seen that and it's something more groundbreaking than we could imagine at the moment, um, we will definitely pick it up uh the next episode.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: If it's something that just goes by and is at a very early state, we will potentially not pick it up, or maybe we just mention it in the next episode.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but in general, um, it is an announcement that will bring natural language app building to Copala Studio.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I will change a little bit the Copala Studio Skype from building agents only and work force to then as well extending this to apps.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so you can think them, I think, of like or some sort of code app.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: I would speculate at the moment.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_00: I have no further deny or confirmation on that.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and as well, this kind of natural language app building capabilities will also be available in covork, so that you will be as well um have the end user perspective to directly build this from cowork.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I think the idea with that is this this is taking the um M65 Copilot app builder application or the app builder agent and the wipe.power apps.com um in experience a little bit more to the next level.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a natural involvement of these uh features.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, as mentioned, we cannot tell you yet more about it as we have not read any of the uh announcement information which you may have gotten.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: So we will definitely drop the links in the notes and then potentially then pick this up um in the next episode.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh if we see that this has a high demand to talk about it.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_03: But in simple terms, this is me from a pure SaaS standpoint.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_03: Effectively, if I was a developer, I'd be using GitHub Copilot instead to build and deploy the app.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_03: Instead, this is kind of like a nice SAS way of doing all of that.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_03: User prompt, convert it to an app, and then it's all going to be hosted.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you you would be you would be like on the on the Microsoft Power Platform ecosystem basically, um, and you could build like an application, go ahead, um, wipe the app.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: You don't need to have like this maybe more advanced uh coding background with GitHub Copilot.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you could just directly um come back from an end-user perspective with all of your industry and process-specific knowledge, um, let that flow in in the app building uh capabilities and let the agent basically or let the tool um do the heavy lifting for you.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, sounds good.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so so back to everyone builds an app.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: The initial idea of the power platform.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: So you're kind of at this point, you're really hoping and praying that you don't have to cut this out at this point, you know.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_03: So you're just praying.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, being and praying, I don't need to cut us out.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, if it if it if I need to, I will I don't know, do something random at the end of the episode.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: So if you hear this right now, we didn't cut it out.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: If you hear some random monologue at the end of the episode, then we did cut it out.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_03: You could do you do like a greatest hits of of me and the silly wheels again, maybe, you know.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think about so I I I I guess that the idea of having like a unresolved dependencies will turn your um t-shirt with like all of the different dates of um committee events we are attending the rest of the year.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: But we could also be print like a renewal or something with all of your cratest hits.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_03: I feel I feel we we we need we need something that's distinctive.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_03: We need to we need to be unique in our sort of regard.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_03: So stickers stickers are boring.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you know, uh I would not say that stickers are boring.
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone loves a good sticker.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_03: You think so?
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, a sticker of everyone wants a sticker of me eating a banana on their laptops.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_03: You have to think.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, right.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_03: So I I I I will order those stickers today, and you've got to put on your laptop.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_03: That's the deal.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: I need to on my laptop.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: My laptop has no stickers on it.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's the only sticker you put on it.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_03: So no stickers, you have to put that sticker on it, and then you have to walk into client meetings and explain uh why your colleague and and UK UK CEO is eating a banana on your laptop.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_00: So don't don't you do have like an alter ego on the on the blog post world that's called um CRM chap?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: Is this not a that is a big one?
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, is this is this not something as well goes into the direction of I like bananas?
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, maybe you could combine those two things.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: For the sake of everyone's mental health, uh, we are closing this episode of Unresolved Dependencies.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for listening.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like and subscribe forever you're hearing us.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um recommend us to your colleagues, to your people to love, to the people you hate.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we are here to resolve this.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, last words to Joe Banana Griffin.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh always eat your fruit and vegetables, get your daily vitamins.