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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 1-19-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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Speaker 3: Everybody, Welcome to The Shan ol'connall Show, ESPN seven hundred
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Speaker 2: Glad to be with.
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Speaker 4: You after what we weekend in the world of football.
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Speaker 4: We've got a college football National Championship game tonight. We'll
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Speaker 4: be talking about it on the show. Oh Mama, NFL playoffs. Look,
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Speaker 4: there's a reason why the NFL holds its place at
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Speaker 4: the top of our American sports consciousness because even when
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Speaker 4: the teams aren't who you thought they were gonna be,
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Speaker 4: and even when the quarterbacks aren't the personalities you thought
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Speaker 4: they were gonna be, the games are just awesome, except
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Speaker 4: for one, which we will not be talking about a
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Speaker 4: lot on the show today because my eyes are still
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Speaker 4: bleeding a little bit from watching that absolute travesty of
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Speaker 4: a forty nine Ers game.
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Speaker 2: Disgusting.
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Speaker 5: Oh just.
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Speaker 6: You.
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Speaker 4: Let Rashid Shaheed, the former Weaver State Wildcat, run the
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Speaker 4: opening kickoff back in a.
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Speaker 3: League where the rules have changed so much, nobody does
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Speaker 3: that anymore, and yet Rashijia Heat gets it done. And
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Speaker 3: really that's that's all Seattle needed to do for the day.
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Speaker 3: If they had wanted to, they could have stopped there offensively,
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Speaker 3: because the forty nine Ers only scored six bleeping points
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Speaker 3: in the game, so the seven that Rashijia Head and
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Speaker 3: the kicker on the extra point gave you on the
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Speaker 3: very opening sequence of the game.
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Speaker 4: Would have been adequate for Seattle to advance to the
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Speaker 4: NFC Championship game. That makes me ill to say.
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Speaker 3: Special teams could have could have just been a special
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Speaker 3: teams game.
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Speaker 2: Could could have just been Seattle.
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Speaker 4: Could have Seattle could have knelt down every single first, second,
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Speaker 4: and third down after that.
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Speaker 2: And then just punted it away. Maybe they wanted They should.
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Speaker 4: Have, They would have if it weren't for the fact
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Speaker 4: that that would garner you negative yardage offensively, and you
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Speaker 4: just can't.
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Speaker 2: You just can't look in the mirror and say, yeah,
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Speaker 2: we had a negative offensive game.
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Speaker 3: But you still won. Yeah, that's a good point. One
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Speaker 3: piece of good news from this. We will not did
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Speaker 3: did Chad did? Sales guy Chad tell you he amended
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Speaker 3: the bet a little bit. He changed the bet so.
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Speaker 4: He doesn't want to he doesn't want to put his
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Speaker 4: giant foam face behind me.
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Speaker 3: It's still bad, but it's not I I think it's
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Speaker 3: a little bit better. Instead of his face on the
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Speaker 3: wall in the studio, he's gonna he has like a
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Speaker 3: Seahawks fan parking only type thing that you can buy.
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Speaker 3: He's we're gonna hang that up in the studio for
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Speaker 3: however long, you guys. Feels like, uh, feels like Chad's
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Speaker 3: changing the bet after the fact. I would rather have
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Speaker 3: it just be Chad's face at least, at least I
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Speaker 3: like something about Chad. I like nothing about the Seahawks.
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Speaker 3: I I told him, I told him, you know what,
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Speaker 3: oh c He's gonna hate it just as much. But
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Speaker 3: I think it will make a lot more sense to
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Speaker 3: our listeners to have the Seahawks thing hanging up than
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Speaker 3: his face hanging up.
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Speaker 4: Chad threatened to buy me a Patrick O'Connell, who is
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Speaker 4: a special team backup linebacker. And also it's my little
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Speaker 4: brother's name, Jersey. Is that Yeah, there's an O'Connell place
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Speaker 4: for the Seahawks. Same name as your brother, you would,
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Speaker 4: You could just give it to your brother. He'd probably
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Speaker 4: hate it just as much. I would not let him
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Speaker 4: wear I would not let him wear a Seahawks. Is
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Speaker 4: he is he also a big Niners fan? No, actually,
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Speaker 4: he's a Ravens fan.
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Speaker 3: Okay, so he probably he may not hate it as
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Speaker 3: much as as you would.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Patrick's a lot my my younger brother. Patrick's a
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Speaker 4: lot younger than me. He's like ten years younger than me,
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Speaker 4: and so when he was developing his fandom, you know,
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Speaker 4: we were like, all right, who are you going to
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Speaker 4: cheer for? Because like my older brother cheers for the Vikings.
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Speaker 4: We we lived in Minnesota when we were young, and
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Speaker 4: my older brother cheers for the Vikings. My grandparents lived
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Speaker 4: in San Francisco, and my well, they lived in San Jose.
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Speaker 4: But by my grandma was a Niners fan and made
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Speaker 4: me into a Niners fan. And my youngest brother was
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Speaker 4: just kind of like free agent.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, free agent. He was a free agent.
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Speaker 4: And that was there were some really good Ravens teams
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Speaker 4: when he was young, absolutely, and then when he was
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Speaker 4: a teenager is when Eric Weddle played for the Ravens
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Speaker 4: or I guess he was in his early twenties, probably
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Speaker 4: when the when Eric Weddle played for the Ravens. So
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Speaker 4: we got to go to a bunch of games and
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Speaker 4: watch Weddle and it just solidified his Ravens fandom.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, so if he's ten years younger than you,
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Speaker 3: then he's close to my age.
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Speaker 2: Yeah about that? Yeah all right?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so so yeah, I can I can think of
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Speaker 3: I can see why he gravitated towards the Ravens. That
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Speaker 3: was that was this John Harbaugh and Joe Flacco's Super
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Speaker 3: Bowl end of ray Lewis ed Reed era. Those are
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Speaker 3: those are some fun Ravens teams. Yeah, so I can
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Speaker 3: see that in any case, sales guy Chad threatened to
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Speaker 3: get me the jersey and I was like, no, I'm
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Speaker 3: never gonna wear like.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't even make the bet where I have to
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Speaker 2: wear that, did you?
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Speaker 3: So he did, And we'll move on from this as
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Speaker 3: soon as I say this, But he did tell me
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Speaker 3: that he paid close enough attention to see that Patrick
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Speaker 3: O'Connell Seahawks. Patrick O'Connell not to be confused with your
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Speaker 3: little brother. Patrick O'Connell made the block made a key
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Speaker 3: block on the Shaheed opening touchdown.
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Speaker 2: He was the guy.
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Speaker 4: So Shaheed runs it in and the first guy there
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Speaker 4: with him was O'Connell. There was like one of the
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Speaker 4: replays there was like the skycam angle, yeah, and it
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Speaker 4: was Shaheed in front, O'Connor right behind, kind of the
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Speaker 4: immediate escort. So yeah, it was not ideal for me
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Speaker 4: to start the game that way, and then it got
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Speaker 4: worse and worse as the game went on. But I'm
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Speaker 4: not gonna let that color my opinion of the divisional round.
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Speaker 2: As a whole.
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Speaker 4: There was a lot of really interesting stuff that happened,
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Speaker 4: and there's a couple of questions I have that I've
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Speaker 4: question for you. Right off the top. The DeVante Adams
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Speaker 4: catch and the Broncos overtime interception. Everyone is up in
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Speaker 4: arms right now, taking the screen grabs and saying, one
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Speaker 4: of these things is an interception, and one of these
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Speaker 4: things after the ball was stripped from Devonte Adams, one
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Speaker 4: of these things was a completed catch, and the other
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Speaker 4: one of these things was the defensive interception that of
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Speaker 4: course changed the game. One of the wildest things we've
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Speaker 4: seen is that two playoff games in the divisional round,
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Speaker 4: different scores, but effectively the same overtime sequences, the same
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Speaker 4: overtime run of events. Opening possession, bogs Down have to
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Speaker 4: punt the ball away, which means that the next score
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Speaker 4: wins it if the team with the that receives the punt,
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Speaker 4: if they can march down a couple of nice offensive plays,
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Speaker 4: a couple of big gains, looks like things are gonna
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Speaker 4: start going, and then interception. Now, the Caleb Williams interception,
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Speaker 4: we'll get to this here in a second, is a
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Speaker 4: little bit different than what happened with.
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Speaker 3: Drake May's interception. But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 3: this was a fascinating weekend. Let's say, a fascinating weekend
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Speaker 3: where the Broncos advance on not Drake May's interception, Josh
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Speaker 3: Allen's interception, pardon me, the Broncos advance because of an acrobatic, insane,
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Speaker 3: and ultimately for some people, controversial interception call. And then
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Speaker 3: the next day, in a game that follows the same
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Speaker 3: script in a lot of ways, in the overtime period,
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Speaker 3: DeVante Adams on the way to a rams effort is
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Speaker 3: stripped of a ball where he catches, has possession for
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Speaker 3: a fraction of a second, his knee is down, and
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Speaker 3: the referees say, no.
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Speaker 2: That's a completed catch.
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Speaker 4: I wish desperately on a daylight today we had a
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Speaker 4: more robust visual element to the show. So on the
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Speaker 4: YouTube stream, James, maybe this is something we'll have to do.
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Speaker 2: Put a touch screen behind us right here.
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Speaker 3: Okay, imagine that screen right here, and I'm just doing
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Speaker 3: replays through like it was. And I think I think
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Speaker 3: it's a worthy discussion to have because when the interception happened,
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Speaker 3: When the Josh Allen interception happened, I was like, gonna,
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Speaker 3: are they gonna review that?
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Speaker 4: Are they gonna review that that? Because that was, in
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Speaker 4: my opinion, that was an interception. We say all the time,
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Speaker 4: how the catch has to survive the ground. Well, part
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Speaker 4: of surviving the ground is that you have to be
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Speaker 4: the guy that still has the ball after you survive
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Speaker 4: the ground. If you take the defender out of that,
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Speaker 4: right ball is like pseudo caught. You have two hands
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Speaker 4: on the ball, you hit the ground, and then less
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Speaker 4: than one second later the ball is rolling away because
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Speaker 4: the ground made you lose it.
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Speaker 2: We're saying that's not a catch, it's incomplete. Yeah, you
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Speaker 2: take the.
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Speaker 4: Defender out of that, and you're probably like, yeah, that's
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Speaker 4: an incomplete pass.
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Speaker 2: That was not a catch.
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Speaker 4: And the assertion of Bills fans, who are obviously fully
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Speaker 4: invested in the referees being wrong in this case, which
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Speaker 4: they weren't in my opinion, they want the whole call
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Speaker 4: to be that man's backside hit the ground for one
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Speaker 4: to one millionth of a second while he had two
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Speaker 4: hands on the ball, and that should be dead right there.
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Speaker 4: That's the end of it. Nothing you can do after
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Speaker 4: that moment changes the outcome. That's what Bill's fans want. Obviously,
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Speaker 4: Broncos fans a lot of them here in Salt Lake City.
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Speaker 4: A lot of former Utes or Ute fans have adopted
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Speaker 4: the Broncos of the remaining field because there's plenty of
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Speaker 4: ute interest there, although there was Bill's interest on the
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Speaker 4: ute front as well. But in an acrobatic situation, you
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Speaker 4: have a guy going over the top.
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Speaker 2: I mean he's somersaulting his way.
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Speaker 3: He's upside down as he's ripping this ball away and
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Speaker 3: ends up with possess I should again surviving the ground.
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Speaker 4: He's the guy who had the ball after that play
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Speaker 4: was done, So I saw that, I saw the slow motion,
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Speaker 4: I saw the replays.
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Speaker 3: I was like, man, are they going to send this
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Speaker 3: to review? And what are they going to come away with? Thankfully,
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Speaker 3: I thought they had the right call done. Deal, that's
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Speaker 3: a pick changes the total outcome of the game.
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Speaker 2: Obviously.
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Speaker 4: The Broncos get the ball back, they go down for
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Speaker 4: the field goal. They have a freak accident on the play,
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Speaker 4: centering the ball before the field goal. Bo Nicks breaks
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Speaker 4: a bone in his foot, apparently on a play that
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Speaker 4: should should be like the second or third safest play
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Speaker 4: in all of football.
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Speaker 2: It should never happen.
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Speaker 3: I mean, heck, you're Sean Payton's got the utmost confidence,
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Speaker 3: and Jared said him to win the game next week
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Speaker 3: and get him to the super Bowl, and then and
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Speaker 3: and win beyond that should have had the utmost confidence
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Speaker 3: to put Jay sit them in the game to do
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Speaker 3: that place, said Hindsight's twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: But she never would. Yeah, you never would.
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Speaker 4: So anyway, the interception, in my opinion, was an interception,
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Speaker 4: and then the next day you get effectively the same
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Speaker 4: type of play with de Vante Adams and the referees
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Speaker 4: said nope, he had possession.
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Speaker 2: And his knee was down.
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Speaker 3: Did you think that they were because obviously the buzz
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Speaker 3: on social media is that they're the exact same play
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Speaker 3: officiated differently. Did you think that they were they were
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Speaker 3: that similar? Because I I think there's an argument to
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Speaker 3: say they're both bang bang plays, so it's not like
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Speaker 3: one's way different than the other. But I think I
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Speaker 3: kind of feel like it they were different enough, different
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Speaker 3: enough that they were officiated different.
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Speaker 2: They were. They're different enough for me.
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Speaker 3: But I see why the fan angst ratchets up absolutely
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Speaker 3: because especially when you do the screen grab thing, like
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Speaker 3: you could do the screen grab thing and you can say, well,
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Speaker 3: the Bills got robbed here, because when you take a
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Speaker 3: single fraction of a second freeze frame, there's a point
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Speaker 3: in that Bill's Broncos interception where it looks like Cook's
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Speaker 3: on the ground with the ball in his hands and
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Speaker 3: he's down down by contact.
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Speaker 2: It's over. Yeah, my reactions.
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Speaker 3: It's too bad they don't just freeze like that in
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Speaker 3: real time because if you watch the actual video, he
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Speaker 3: didn't have he never had control of the ball. That's
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Speaker 3: that's how I saw it, That's how Gene Sterotor saw it.
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Speaker 3: I thought he did a great job of breaking it
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Speaker 3: down on the CBS broadcast. Former NFL referee. He of course,
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Speaker 3: got all kinds of hate in his comments when he
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Speaker 3: tried to when he posted the video of his explanation,
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Speaker 3: said what do you guys think? And people were like,
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Speaker 3: we think you should you you should stay retired, and
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Speaker 3: it's like, dude, he actually he actually broke it down
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Speaker 3: to where it was correct. Now I'm rooting for the
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Speaker 3: Bills in this game. So in the moment, I'm like,
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Speaker 3: no way, that's not simultaneous catch, right, But then after
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Speaker 3: they showed what three four replays, I'm like, well, yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's an interception. He never had control of the ball,
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Speaker 3: the ball never touched the ground. It doesn't matter that
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Speaker 3: his nee went down. That's an interception, and it's one
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Speaker 3: of the craziest interceptions you'll ever see.
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Speaker 4: And look, it was an unbelievable defensive play and I
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Speaker 4: officiated and adjudicated correctly, right, and then.
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Speaker 3: Considering how bang bang it was, I mean, I think
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Speaker 3: a great job by the officials.
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Speaker 4: And look, in a tie game scenario where it's ten
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Speaker 4: to ten, it's not it's not apples to apples because
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Speaker 4: of that. By the way, for me, when you're talking
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Speaker 4: about eleven minutes left in the fourth quarter versus a
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Speaker 4: play in overtime, I know, it's just like, no, you
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Speaker 4: got to do everything the same. Like, it's far more
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Speaker 4: important to get that overtime outcome correct than when there's
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Speaker 4: eleven minutes left to play in a.
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Speaker 3: Game, especially in a moment in overtime. Because the rules
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Speaker 3: have changed, both teams get a chance to have the
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Speaker 3: ball in a moment in overtime when the next score
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Speaker 3: wins the game exactly, it's sudden death at that point.
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Speaker 3: That's way different than eleven minutes left in a tie
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Speaker 3: game in the other game.
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Speaker 4: Now for the Bears, does it change the outcome of
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Speaker 4: the game if you are given possession on what would
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Speaker 4: ultimately be ruled I think an interception rather than a
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Speaker 4: DeVante Adams fumble because that's who knows, Because like if
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Speaker 4: that's if that's your assertion, right, that DeVante Adams. If
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Speaker 4: you're a Bears fan and you're looking at it, and
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Speaker 4: you're saying, DeVante Adams does not have possession here in
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Speaker 4: order to be down, he doesn't complete the catch.
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Speaker 3: Same way that Brandon Cooks was officiated that he never
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Speaker 3: had possession.
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Speaker 4: Look, I don't have a ton of like a big
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Speaker 4: horse in the race here. I'd rather see the Rams
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Speaker 4: win this game than see the Bears win this game,
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Speaker 4: I guess. But I think I'm as neutral on this
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Speaker 4: one as I could possibly be. I look at it,
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Speaker 4: and I'm just like, well, yeah, I mean, Devanta Adams,
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Speaker 4: in my opinion on this play, doesn't necessarily have enough
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Speaker 4: possession to be down.
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Speaker 2: He's not a down receiver.
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Speaker 4: That's not uncontested like they're they're battling for the ball
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Speaker 4: as he goes down. So if the Bears get an
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Speaker 4: interception here deep in their own territory, does it guarantee
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Speaker 4: that Kayleb Williams is going to turn that into points?
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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.
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Speaker 4: Would it have changed the outcome of the game, maybe,
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Speaker 4: But we get into these bad habits as fans, and look,
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Speaker 4: I'm guilty of it.
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Speaker 2: We've all done it. We did it two seasons ago.
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Speaker 4: Now with the by Utah game at rece Eco Stadium,
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Speaker 4: where you're just taking frame by frame, I did it
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Speaker 4: over and over and over again. Is this defensive holding?
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Speaker 4: Is this pass interference? Why does the ball go through
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Speaker 4: cam Calhoun's hands here? Like I probably watched the last
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Speaker 4: thirty plays of that game, going how do you let
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Speaker 4: this happen? And saying well, if this would have been different,
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Speaker 4: if this would have been called differently, the game might
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Speaker 4: have been differently. If you're a Bears fan, you can't
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Speaker 4: look at this and feel the same way about it
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Speaker 4: that the Bills fans feel the same way about the
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Speaker 4: the interception in overtime.
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Speaker 2: You can't.
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Speaker 4: Now, you could be bothered, you can be mad, and
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Speaker 4: you can say well in a tie game, fourth quarter,
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Speaker 4: I mean, this is for all the marbles. This is
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Speaker 4: your season continues or it's over. It's got to be
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Speaker 4: done right. Every single time I'm listening to you, I
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Speaker 4: hear you. But it's not apples to apples. They're not
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Speaker 4: the same play, they're not the same situation, they're not
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Speaker 4: the same scenario, and even if you end up getting
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Speaker 4: possession there, the direct result of that possession is not
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Speaker 4: that if you find a field goal, even the game
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Speaker 4: is over. And that's where the Broncos were and that's
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Speaker 4: where the Bills were. And because of that, I'm all
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Speaker 4: for the debate being separated and saying was this the
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Speaker 4: correct call?
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Speaker 2: Was this the correct call? But to put them next to.
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Speaker 4: Each other with the freeze frames and say this is
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Speaker 4: the same play call differently is incorrect in my mind.
20:11
Speaker 3: When I think, I think Devanta Adams had much more
20:16
Speaker 3: control of the ball than Brandon Cooks had. Whether now
20:19
Speaker 3: again bang bang, there's an argument that he didn't have
20:24
Speaker 3: enough control of the ball. I'm talking about DeVante Adams
20:28
Speaker 3: just like Brandon Cooks didn't. But he appeared to have
20:31
Speaker 3: more of the more of a lot more of it
20:33
Speaker 3: than Brandon cook said Brandon Cooks, that ball was never
20:36
Speaker 3: not moving. It's just unfortunately for the Bills. And I
20:41
Speaker 3: was with you Bills fans in this game, pulling really
20:44
Speaker 3: hard because I just love I just love the story
20:47
Speaker 3: of this Bill's team and I want to see him
20:48
Speaker 3: get over the hump.
20:49
Speaker 2: At some point.
20:52
Speaker 3: I couldn't I couldn't get myself to believe that he
20:56
Speaker 3: had enough control of that ball. I think you could
20:58
Speaker 3: get yourself to believe that DeVante Adams had just enough
21:01
Speaker 3: control that ball. Uh, but they're both bang bang plays. Honestly,
21:08
Speaker 3: would we as neutral observers, me and UOC not having
21:12
Speaker 3: our favorite team and either on those games, I don't
21:15
Speaker 3: know that I would have been like up in arms
21:18
Speaker 3: at whatever the call was. Either way, Like, as much
21:21
Speaker 3: as I'm saying Brandon they made the right call with
21:24
Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks if they had made the wrong call, I
21:26
Speaker 3: mean like that's so that's so close. I mean, whatever
21:30
Speaker 3: the call on the field was should be the should
21:32
Speaker 3: be the call.
21:32
Speaker 4: Right, You're probably right, probably you probably just uphold whatever
21:35
Speaker 4: the call. And here's here's what I need done.
21:37
Speaker 3: Okay, we have the technology to do this now, and
21:40
Speaker 3: I know that it will sound funny, but we really
21:44
Speaker 3: need to do this. You can now digitally remove people from.
21:51
Speaker 2: From the frame.
21:53
Speaker 3: Remove what's his face, what's the broncos I'm blanking on
21:57
Speaker 3: the broncos, the guy who intercepted the ball anyway, remove
22:00
Speaker 3: his arms even from like.
22:02
Speaker 4: Just remove the defenders from both plays and then decide
22:07
Speaker 4: there is that a catch is that a fumble?
22:12
Speaker 2: Is that whatever?
22:14
Speaker 3: And they both right, and then watch the uh, and
22:18
Speaker 3: then watch it the video actually and play out in
22:21
Speaker 3: real time, not just freeze frame it at the time
22:24
Speaker 3: when you think it looked like it was a catch,
22:25
Speaker 3: because I saw it way too much of that on Twitter,
22:28
Speaker 3: I'm like none of everybody everybody who says And Richard
22:32
Speaker 3: Sherman was one of these. Most notably there was there's
22:35
Speaker 3: a bunch of Bills fans posting screenshots. I think it was,
22:39
Speaker 3: uh speaking of a NFL analyst, now, dan Orlofsky was
22:44
Speaker 3: one of these, Like, you guys are completely ignoring the
22:48
Speaker 3: video and just looking at the screenshot.
22:50
Speaker 2: The screenshot does not tell the story. Well, exactly right.
22:54
Speaker 2: You don't do.
22:55
Speaker 4: Football is not played in a consecutive series of screen
23:00
Speaker 4: shots here, it's over pause, pause, pause. By the way,
23:05
Speaker 4: if you did that, there would be a whole offensive
23:08
Speaker 4: end or defensive holding on every single play, every single
23:11
Speaker 4: play that's.
23:11
Speaker 3: Ever running potentially in the end zone earlier in the
23:14
Speaker 3: Bills drive on that same Bills drive.
23:17
Speaker 4: That's the thing when you start going down this rabbit
23:19
Speaker 4: hole where you freeze frame moments from the game, because
23:23
Speaker 4: the I saw. The counter argument for the Rams fans
23:28
Speaker 4: was like, oh, look at this where Caleb Williams is
23:31
Speaker 4: backed up in his own end zone and the offensive
23:34
Speaker 4: tackle here is holding. That's a safety flag comes out.
23:38
Speaker 4: That's a safety game. Game's over anyway.
23:41
Speaker 3: So if you did this as an NFL, and today's
23:47
Speaker 3: the day to do it, by the way, because the
23:50
Speaker 3: debate is raging, and you're successfully staying top of mind,
23:54
Speaker 3: front of mind probably for the rest of the week
23:57
Speaker 3: with fans as they debate whether or not that was
23:59
Speaker 3: a cat, this was a catch?
24:01
Speaker 4: Are you down? Did your catch survive the ground? And
24:04
Speaker 4: things like that. That'll carry us for the next two
24:06
Speaker 4: three days. If you're the NFL, here's what you do.
24:09
Speaker 4: You go back, you take the film, you digitally scrub
24:13
Speaker 4: out the defenders in this play, and you say, is
24:17
Speaker 4: that a catch? Does he have possession of the ball,
24:20
Speaker 4: does it survive the ground? And in both cases, I
24:24
Speaker 4: actually think that this ends up being like you favor
24:27
Speaker 4: the defense in both these cases. I think that the
24:29
Speaker 4: Bears should have been given the ball there. I don't
24:32
Speaker 4: think that it automatically means they score. I don't think
24:35
Speaker 4: they break the tie there necessarily automatically I mean, you
24:38
Speaker 4: got eighty yards to go.
24:39
Speaker 3: If they do, you got to think about Ben Johnson
24:42
Speaker 3: always wanting to go for it on fourth down anywhere
24:45
Speaker 3: on the field, but particularly when they're on.
24:48
Speaker 2: Their side of the field.
24:49
Speaker 3: They maybe not even settle for a field goal if
24:52
Speaker 3: they get in field goal range in that play too,
24:54
Speaker 3: which makes scoring even less of a guarantee.
24:57
Speaker 2: Correct in the Bear's case.
24:59
Speaker 4: So look, you never want referees to be a big
25:03
Speaker 4: part of important games and the discussion following important games.
25:07
Speaker 4: You don't want the debate around whether or not that's
25:10
Speaker 4: a catch, This should have been a flag?
25:12
Speaker 2: Was that a fumble? To be the primary story here?
25:15
Speaker 4: But in both cases you had incredible overtime playoff games
25:20
Speaker 4: that were just absolutely phenomenal, edge of.
25:23
Speaker 2: Your seat gripping viewership.
25:26
Speaker 4: And one of the reasons for that was because you
25:29
Speaker 4: had these young quarterbacks, this next crop of quarterbacks Matthew
25:33
Speaker 4: Stafford as the exception, you had this group of guys
25:37
Speaker 4: that are supposed to be the next ones up or
25:39
Speaker 4: firmly in the conversation is he the best player.
25:42
Speaker 2: In the game?
25:43
Speaker 4: Is he going to be the best player in the game.
25:46
Speaker 4: Those guys were on center stage. Josh Allen through multiple interceptions.
25:53
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams, who has in some cases dragged the Bears
25:56
Speaker 4: of the position they're in right now, whether that ends
26:00
Speaker 4: up being a touchdown or a field goal or not,
26:04
Speaker 4: if you get that position back, whatever. Caleb Williams through
26:08
Speaker 4: multiple interceptions in this game, and by the way, he
26:12
Speaker 4: puts you back in the hunt on a super Techmobile
26:16
Speaker 4: play The only place James and I were talking about
26:18
Speaker 4: that this before the game the show started. The only
26:21
Speaker 4: place where you have seen a quarterback be successful in
26:25
Speaker 4: facing pressure, running backwards twenty five yards and then throwing
26:30
Speaker 4: up a heave a hail Mary, Oh my gosh. Nobody
26:34
Speaker 4: else's arm can even do that, and having it result
26:36
Speaker 4: in a touchdown. The only other place you have ever
26:39
Speaker 4: seen that is if you are my age, a little
26:43
Speaker 4: bit older, maybe just a little bit younger, and you
26:46
Speaker 4: played Techmobil or super Techmobile on the original eight bit
26:50
Speaker 4: video game systems Nintendo whatever.
26:53
Speaker 2: That's what you would do. James. You probably never played Technico.
26:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, so here, but I know you've seen
27:02
Speaker 3: the footage, right, you've seen the screen shots or whatever.
27:05
Speaker 3: Here's what it is, right, You picked the San Francisco
27:09
Speaker 3: forty nine ers and you're Joe Montana or you're Steve Young,
27:13
Speaker 3: depending on whether you're playing Techmo Bil or super Techmobil.
27:16
Speaker 3: And you take the snap, you run directly back and
27:20
Speaker 3: stand in your own end zone. Okay, the defenders cannot
27:24
Speaker 3: get to you at that point. It just takes him
27:27
Speaker 3: too long. You run all the way back to your
27:29
Speaker 3: end zone and you let Jerry Rice run a streak
27:32
Speaker 3: down and you throw the ball one hundred yards and
27:36
Speaker 3: he catches it in the other end zone. It's the
27:38
Speaker 3: only place where that play works.
27:40
Speaker 2: You just run straight back.
27:42
Speaker 4: You could do it with Boomer Asia Sin if you
27:44
Speaker 4: were the Cincinnati Bengals. You could do it with John Elway.
27:47
Speaker 4: You could do it. You could do it with Warren Moon.
27:50
Speaker 4: You could just you run back. And there's just the
27:53
Speaker 4: game mechanics did not yet have the sophistication to do
27:59
Speaker 4: like arm strength ratings and wind shear and all the
28:03
Speaker 4: stuff that now exists in Madden. So all you had
28:05
Speaker 4: to do you just had to stay out of the
28:07
Speaker 4: way of the rushers and you just had to chuck
28:10
Speaker 4: that ball as far as it would go, and that's
28:12
Speaker 4: how you scored touchdowns. Caleb Williams is way too young
28:16
Speaker 4: to have played Tech Mobile, So I don't know where
28:18
Speaker 4: he came up with that play.
28:20
Speaker 3: Someone's gonna show him a video of what you're talking about.
28:23
Speaker 3: But when this is what you did.
28:25
Speaker 4: When three of five rushers come free and he's just
28:28
Speaker 4: like uh oh and run straight backwards, You're like, oh,
28:33
Speaker 4: game's over.
28:34
Speaker 2: Yeah that guy.
28:35
Speaker 3: Fourth and four, he takes the snap on the fifteen
28:39
Speaker 3: yard line and he throws it from the forty or
28:43
Speaker 3: like the yeah, like the forty one, and as Chris
28:45
Speaker 3: Collinsworth said, it's a fade away jumper throw. That's right,
28:49
Speaker 3: Like he's not even putting he's not even able to
28:52
Speaker 3: put everything into it, his full arm into it because
28:55
Speaker 3: he's fading away. And that is why, by the way,
28:58
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams will always be your dude. It's that Brett
29:02
Speaker 3: Favre gunslinger freak talent where you're just like with the scrambling, like,
29:09
Speaker 3: I don't I know that there's times when he's gonna
29:12
Speaker 3: hurt us. And honestly, the overtime interception sounds like it
29:16
Speaker 3: was a little bit more on DJ Moore than it
29:17
Speaker 3: was on him. But there are plenty of times where
29:20
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams and that gun slinger mentality is gonna hurt you.
29:24
Speaker 3: But if you have at least a one to one
29:27
Speaker 3: ratio of those moments and the stuff we saw on
29:31
Speaker 3: that play, he's always got to be your guy because
29:34
Speaker 3: how many quarterbacks, even in the NFL, how many quarterbacks
29:39
Speaker 3: can do that? How many quarterbacks will do that? How
29:42
Speaker 3: many quarterbacks are willing to risk even trying to do that?
29:46
Speaker 3: And the answer is like three of them. There's just
29:49
Speaker 3: nobody who does that, and it shouldn't happen more than
29:53
Speaker 3: once in a season, and even once in a season
29:55
Speaker 3: is probably reckless and stupid, but it got you to
30:00
Speaker 3: where you needed to be in that game where you
30:02
Speaker 3: needed to keep pace with a Rams team that people
30:04
Speaker 3: have been talking about for like seven weeks now is
30:08
Speaker 3: the obvious super Bowl favorite, and you're a young on
30:11
Speaker 3: the rise, are we going to be able to take
30:14
Speaker 3: the next step team?
30:15
Speaker 2: And you battle it out into overtime.
30:18
Speaker 4: You will not find anyone that is less impressed with
30:22
Speaker 4: Caleb Williams nail polished than me. Okay, but the dude
30:27
Speaker 4: has swagger and confidence that just I mean is probably
30:32
Speaker 4: only built by being the best athlete in every setting
30:35
Speaker 4: he's ever been in in his entire life, including in
30:39
Speaker 4: the NFL. Maybe not best athlete, but he's the best
30:41
Speaker 4: performer on most of those fields.
30:44
Speaker 2: He is the dude on most of those fields. And
30:47
Speaker 2: he did something that you.
30:49
Speaker 3: Have not seen since nineteen eighties early nineties video games
30:54
Speaker 3: in a playoff game last night.
30:57
Speaker 2: Yeah.
30:57
Speaker 3: I can't think of concrete examples off the top of
31:01
Speaker 3: my head, but every time I've seen a guy of
31:03
Speaker 3: quarterback retreat like that, it's either been a sack, it's
31:07
Speaker 3: been a the the incomplete way nowhere close to anyone
31:14
Speaker 3: you're trying to anyone on your team trying to.
31:16
Speaker 2: Throw it to, or or a reckless interception.
31:19
Speaker 3: Right, I have never seen and the comets wide open,
31:23
Speaker 3: by the way, Like the fact that that's not a
31:25
Speaker 3: contested catch too is also remarkable.
31:27
Speaker 4: Well, it's also it's also an incredible moment for Comet
31:30
Speaker 4: because he is like he knows the situation. He knows
31:33
Speaker 4: that you're not going to get a pass interference call
31:37
Speaker 4: either way.
31:38
Speaker 2: Right. I think it was close.
31:39
Speaker 3: I think there was enough contact both ways that they
31:42
Speaker 3: wouldn't have called it anyway.
31:43
Speaker 4: But we certainly hand fight, right so, and I think
31:45
Speaker 4: Cole Comet understands that situation it's fourth and four because
31:50
Speaker 4: my dude just ran back there.
31:52
Speaker 3: This is effectively a hail Mary. And we talked about
31:55
Speaker 3: that last week.
31:56
Speaker 4: He's like, you know what, and he he's boxing out
31:59
Speaker 4: for rebound.
32:00
Speaker 3: He's like, I'm the one who's six'. Five i'm gonna
32:04
Speaker 3: keep this dude at arm's length and he's gonna be
32:06
Speaker 3: grabbing onto me and. Stuff and the ball was in
32:08
Speaker 3: the air for twelve minutes and he was just, like all,
32:11
Speaker 3: right all, right all, right, Now i'm gonna separate and.
32:13
Speaker 3: Go it's an unbelievable play by him as, well But
32:16
Speaker 3: Caleb williams had to be the guy who was able
32:20
Speaker 3: to make that.
32:21
Speaker 2: THROW i saw THE.
32:23
Speaker 3: I saw the like whatever it is metric where they were,
32:27
Speaker 3: like that's fifty one yards through the, air and you're stop.
32:30
Speaker 3: That we could see where his foot was when he
32:33
Speaker 3: threw the, pass and we could see Where Cole comet
32:35
Speaker 3: was when he caught the.
32:36
Speaker 4: Pass and it's not fifty one. Yards but guess what's
32:40
Speaker 4: more important than, that the fact that it was a.
32:43
Speaker 4: Touchdown you don't need to lie to me and add
32:45
Speaker 4: an extra five yards through the.
32:46
Speaker 2: AIR i don't.
32:47
Speaker 3: CARE i saw the people were were disputing THE aws
32:52
Speaker 3: Next gen stats too about how the probability of that
32:56
Speaker 3: being a catch And i'm like it said it was
32:58
Speaker 3: like seventeen or eighteen, percent which is very, low by the,
33:01
Speaker 3: way but it's. One i'm, like, okay well there you're
33:06
Speaker 3: you're exaggerating for. Effect they're being precise with whatever their
33:10
Speaker 3: their calculations.
33:11
Speaker 4: Are, okay it's here's WHAT i. WANT i want the doctor.
33:15
Speaker 4: Strange i've run this thing whatever feen million? Times how many,
33:19
Speaker 4: outcomes how we win?
33:22
Speaker 2: One that's What that's more of.
33:25
Speaker 3: Those, memes by the, way that, well that's What Caleb
33:28
Speaker 3: williams is that he's just, like all, right that's ALL
33:30
Speaker 3: i need is the one you're telling me there's a.
33:32
Speaker 2: Chance and, look it ultimately doesn't work.
33:36
Speaker 4: Out he throws an interception that ends up cursing, you
33:40
Speaker 4: AND Dj moore probably is cut by The bears after.
33:44
Speaker 2: This like as good as he was for them this.
33:46
Speaker 2: Year that's, yeah.
33:48
Speaker 3: That's the that's The Marcus page, moment you, Know Marcus
33:51
Speaker 3: page u N C gate insane, game tying, three but
33:55
Speaker 3: Then villanova hits the buzzer beater a few seconds Later
33:58
Speaker 3: National championship game that goes into one of those where
34:01
Speaker 3: it's like it's gonna be more memorable BECAUSE nfl, playoffs
34:04
Speaker 3: but it's one of those where it's like incredible play
34:08
Speaker 3: that you would think with how great a play that,
34:11
Speaker 3: was it ended up that team ended up winning the,
34:13
Speaker 3: game but, oh by the, way they.
34:14
Speaker 2: Lost so we got to move.
34:17
Speaker 4: On Sammy moore is going to join us talk about
34:19
Speaker 4: THE utaul and the transfer, portal all that. Stuff but
34:23
Speaker 4: the other thing that came out of me from the weekend, was,
34:28
Speaker 4: man there's a bunch of young quarterbacks that now have
34:31
Speaker 4: had an opportunity to take a strike at this, thing
34:35
Speaker 4: and this year it's over for.
34:37
Speaker 2: THEM i didn't MENTION.
34:40
Speaker 4: Cj stroud here not to Attack, james but because the
34:43
Speaker 4: consensus seems to be that he is, regressing that he
34:47
Speaker 4: is not, developing that his rookie year was maybe gonna
34:50
Speaker 4: be his best, year and after that it hasn't been.
34:52
Speaker 3: Good. Unfortunately, yes that's what it looks. Like BUT i
34:55
Speaker 3: put up four different poll. Questions Will Josh allen ever
34:58
Speaker 3: win A Super?
34:59
Speaker 2: Bowl yes or? No Will Caleb williams ever win A Super?
35:02
Speaker 2: Bowl yes or? No Will Bow knicks ever win A Super? Bowl?
35:05
Speaker 2: Yes or. No Will Brock purty ever win A Super?
35:08
Speaker 2: Bowl yes or? No AT Realoc, sports go vote on the.
35:12
Speaker 3: Poll you can also text your answer to any of
35:14
Speaker 3: those at eight seven seven three five three zero seven.
35:18
Speaker 3: Hundred do we believe that these guys are going to
35:23
Speaker 3: be in the conversation moving?
35:25
Speaker 2: FORWARD i think that.
35:26
Speaker 4: Well the indication is That Bo nicks And Josh allen
35:32
Speaker 4: have the most confidence from the, listener That Brock perdy
35:36
Speaker 4: his window is closing, rapidly That Caleb williams still probably
35:40
Speaker 4: has people bothered by HIS usc. Days but let me
35:45
Speaker 4: know what you.
35:45
Speaker 3: Think not even who's the most likely of those, guys
35:49
Speaker 3: because they're all going to have multiple cracks at, It
35:52
Speaker 3: they're all going to play multiple seasons as starters in THE.
35:55
Speaker 3: Nfl we got another ten years plus of every one
35:58
Speaker 3: of these.
35:58
Speaker 4: Guys most? Likely Is Josh allen gonna win A Super?
36:03
Speaker 4: Bowls Caleb william's gonna win A Super? Bowl Is Bo
36:06
Speaker 4: nick's gonna win A Super? Bowl Is brock perty gonna
36:08
Speaker 4: win A Super?
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Speaker 2: Bowl? Simple yes or? No go To twitter to. Vote
36:12
Speaker 2: we gotta take a.
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Speaker 4: Am welcome back to The sean O'Connell. Show welcome IN
36:41
Speaker 4: Uts Insider Sammy, mora managing editor over At Ute, zone
36:45
Speaker 4: friend of the.
36:46
Speaker 2: Program Hey, sammy how are?
36:47
Speaker 6: You i'm doing? GREAT oc how are?
36:49
Speaker 2: You i'm doing?
36:50
Speaker 4: Great which do you want to talk? About first transfer
36:53
Speaker 4: portal or running utes first Ever big twelve conference win
36:57
Speaker 4: Under Alex.
36:57
Speaker 2: Jensen i'm down for.
37:00
Speaker 6: Either you, choose all.
37:01
Speaker 2: Right let's Go Alex.
37:02
Speaker 4: JENSEN i like starting with a Win utah OVER, Tcu
37:07
Speaker 4: Alex jensen searching for that first conference win and he
37:10
Speaker 4: gets it against the Horn. Frogs best and worst part
37:14
Speaker 4: about this particular game for.
37:15
Speaker 6: You best, part like you, said was the. Win worst
37:22
Speaker 6: PART i think was you, know letting tc you kind
37:25
Speaker 6: of crawl back into it in the second. Half that's
37:29
Speaker 6: been a reoccurring issue all. Season but you, know they
37:32
Speaker 6: were finally able to close one, out WHICH i, think you,
37:35
Speaker 6: know it kind of was like you have to get
37:37
Speaker 6: over that first hump AND i think that this they
37:40
Speaker 6: finally got over. IT i did like the somewhat balanced,
37:44
Speaker 6: effort you, know for you and double. Figures Obviously terrence
37:47
Speaker 6: brumled the group of twenty. Six but you, know uh
37:50
Speaker 6: it was it was a good. WIN i, think you,
37:52
Speaker 6: know there was a lot to, like but there's also
37:54
Speaker 6: a lot not to. Like so it's it's one of
37:56
Speaker 6: Those it's one of those those wins for the running.
37:58
Speaker 6: Nets for.
37:59
Speaker 4: Sure well that's a, win, win win if you're a,
38:00
Speaker 4: coach right BECAUSE i don't think this group is in
38:03
Speaker 4: danger of. This but even when you get a, win
38:06
Speaker 4: you can pat yourself on the back a little too.
38:08
Speaker 4: Much if you're a coach and you don't want your
38:09
Speaker 4: players to do. That you could, Say, ah nice, win,
38:11
Speaker 4: guys but let's go watch the film and you're gonna
38:14
Speaker 4: hate some of the things you. See SO i think
38:16
Speaker 4: a lot for This utahs staff to work, with a
38:19
Speaker 4: lot for This utah roster to still learn and. Improve
38:22
Speaker 4: BUT i agree with, you got to get over that
38:24
Speaker 4: hump at some, point and to do, so that begs
38:27
Speaker 4: the question can you build any momentum off?
38:30
Speaker 2: It because it's not an easy.
38:31
Speaker 4: Week you've got road game Against Kansas state road AGAINST.
38:36
Speaker 4: Byu as the rivalry matchups have come very close together this,
38:40
Speaker 4: season what do you make of those two.
38:42
Speaker 2: Matchups let's start With Kansas.
38:43
Speaker 6: STATE i Think Kansas state is one of those like
38:47
Speaker 6: very interesting games because you, Know kang had This Like
38:51
Speaker 6: kang's groups always are well, coached and you, know they
38:55
Speaker 6: were in a good position to be a you, know
38:58
Speaker 6: another tournament team this. Year but IF i remember, CORRECTLY
39:00
Speaker 6: i think they're sitting at eight to nine or nine
39:02
Speaker 6: and eight on the, season like they're not very like
39:07
Speaker 6: they haven't dominated as much as people would have expected
39:09
Speaker 6: it to AND i know they've they've had some issues
39:11
Speaker 6: with you, know production and stuff like, that but that's
39:14
Speaker 6: going to be. INTERESTING i think it's another winnable. Game
39:18
Speaker 6: if they can win on the, ROAD i think that's
39:20
Speaker 6: another hump to get over because winning at home versus
39:22
Speaker 6: winning on the road or two completely different, things especially in.
39:25
Speaker 6: Basketball and so IF i think if they can get that,
39:28
Speaker 6: WIN i think, that you, know that's another good step
39:31
Speaker 6: in the right. Direction as FOR, byu you know that
39:35
Speaker 6: the effort that we saw a couple of weeks ago
39:37
Speaker 6: when they played at The Hunton center was probably one
39:39
Speaker 6: of the best efforts we'd seen from this team all,
39:42
Speaker 6: season whether it was Just alex getting this team up
39:45
Speaker 6: for you, know the, rivalry or if it was just
39:48
Speaker 6: guys you, know wanting to play against some show off
39:51
Speaker 6: against or show up against some high level you, know
39:54
Speaker 6: PROJECTED nba draft. Picks you, know that was probably one
39:57
Speaker 6: of the better effort. Games so will they have that
39:59
Speaker 6: same level of. Effort we'll. SEE i think, that you, know,
40:02
Speaker 6: obviously THE tcu win was a massive confidence builder for
40:05
Speaker 6: this team that they can close out a. Game, FINALLY
40:08
Speaker 6: i Know Keanu dawes even told us that after the,
40:10
Speaker 6: Game so that's going to be. Interesting BUT i think
40:13
Speaker 6: that this this two day stretch could be very very.
40:16
Speaker 6: Interesting like If utah ends up the stretch one in
40:19
Speaker 6: one and, ONE i PERSONALLY i would take that because you,
40:23
Speaker 6: know that means you have two conference, wins and that's
40:25
Speaker 6: two conference wins is better than no conference wins at this,
40:28
Speaker 6: point especially in a conference like The Big.
40:29
Speaker 4: Twelve Sammi moore as our guest here on The sean
40:32
Speaker 4: O'Connell Show talk And run. Utes but now let's transition
40:35
Speaker 4: over to the close of a very very hectic period
40:39
Speaker 4: For Morgan scalley as he embarks on this new journey
40:42
Speaker 4: as head coach Of utah. Football, uh the transfer, portal singular,
40:47
Speaker 4: window the timing of this thing during bowl prep and
40:52
Speaker 4: during playoffs for all the teams involved in the playoffs
40:55
Speaker 4: IS i think for some people. Problematic For utah you
40:58
Speaker 4: didn't have to worry about playoffs, Least but there's this
41:02
Speaker 4: massive state of flux we talked about in our last
41:04
Speaker 4: couple of. Conversations that is now you, know the dust
41:07
Speaker 4: is starting to. Settle guys are in the transfer. Portal
41:10
Speaker 4: you can still pull players out of the transfer, portal
41:12
Speaker 4: but nobody knew can put their name. In and based
41:16
Speaker 4: on what we have now with a closed transfer portal,
41:19
Speaker 4: window how do you think you Tough.
41:21
Speaker 2: FARED.
41:24
Speaker 6: I know that this is probably going to be an unpopular,
41:27
Speaker 6: opinion BUT i think That, utah you, know at least
41:30
Speaker 6: netted even in the. PORTAL i think THAT i looking
41:34
Speaker 6: at wide receivers, specifically you, Know Kyrie schulz And Braden
41:37
Speaker 6: pagan are two high level pass catchers that can push
41:40
Speaker 6: things down the. Field plus you, know you Keep Larry,
41:44
Speaker 6: simmons you Keep creed with the more you Keep Zip
41:47
Speaker 6: Dadrian zipper there's a lot of good wide receivers in that,
41:50
Speaker 6: Room SO i think that this passing game is going
41:53
Speaker 6: to be a LOT i don't want to say more,
41:55
Speaker 6: volatile BECAUSE i think that it's going to BE i
41:57
Speaker 6: want to see how this shakes out because there's so
41:59
Speaker 6: many different guys that bring so many different things to
42:01
Speaker 6: the table in this wide receiver. Room so it's gonna
42:03
Speaker 6: be interesting to. See you, know they tore the defensive
42:06
Speaker 6: tackle room down to the. Studs you, know you just
42:09
Speaker 6: keep your young, guys you, Know Poo, Pook, Ceppalona, carsonkafusi Uh,
42:14
Speaker 6: moaka those. Guys you keep the young guys, in but
42:17
Speaker 6: you bring, in you, know some big bodies from the,
42:19
Speaker 6: portal you, Know Jamal, Wallace Lucas samsula From, Wyoming Jai
42:24
Speaker 6: moy From San Jose. State you bring in a lot
42:26
Speaker 6: of those those big bodies That utah has been missing
42:29
Speaker 6: in that defensive tackle. ROOM i, know LOSING jj, hurts
42:34
Speaker 6: LOSING ko, hurts Losing smith, hurts LOSING jhd. Hurts BUT
42:39
Speaker 6: i Think utah did a good job, of you, know
42:41
Speaker 6: filling in the gaps where, needed but also rebuilding the
42:44
Speaker 6: areas that needed to be, filled you, know kind of
42:48
Speaker 6: a complete rebuild at, corner but kind of not because
42:51
Speaker 6: you Keep scooby and you KEEP. J. C, Hart who
42:53
Speaker 6: are two guys THAT i am extremely high on heading
42:56
Speaker 6: into this. Spring BUT I i like ALL i like
42:59
Speaker 6: the conditions That morgan brought in for this.
43:01
Speaker 3: Team forgive the very specific, QUESTION i Does Don sanders
43:09
Speaker 3: have like some Weird purdue connection that made that transfer make?
43:13
Speaker 6: Sense, HONESTLY i have no. Clue WHEN i saw it Was,
43:18
Speaker 6: PURDUE i was kind of a little shocked. MYSELF i
43:21
Speaker 6: have honestly no clue what the connection is.
43:23
Speaker 4: There, YEAH i, was BECAUSE i, mean, look, obviously the
43:27
Speaker 4: guys who left For, michigan whether you love it or hate,
43:30
Speaker 4: it you have to admit that it makes sense for
43:32
Speaker 4: those players to want to go there because of coaches,
43:34
Speaker 4: relationships the fact that It's, michigan it's a blue, blood et,
43:38
Speaker 4: cetera et, cetera the nil implications of something like. That
43:42
Speaker 4: but some of these guys like to See Don sanders
43:45
Speaker 4: leave A utah program with this, long incredible track, record
43:50
Speaker 4: a developing corner talent for the next level to end
43:52
Speaker 4: up at a place Like.
43:53
Speaker 3: Purdue i'm, like, wait, WHAT i don't get. It but,
43:57
Speaker 3: again that's that's part of the learning. PROCESS i don't
44:01
Speaker 3: Like tayo TO. UCLA i don't see how that makes.
44:03
Speaker 2: Sense.
44:03
Speaker 4: Now there are a lot of people that were kind
44:05
Speaker 4: of out on, him AND i was very very critical of,
44:08
Speaker 4: Him but it does it doesn't feel like that's an
44:11
Speaker 4: upward move in pretty much any.
44:14
Speaker 2: WORLD i don't.
44:15
Speaker 6: Know, yeah that tale one was another one that was kind,
44:19
Speaker 6: of you, know a little, confusing but to a certain,
44:22
Speaker 6: extent you, know big ten, football brand new head, coach
44:26
Speaker 6: brand new you, know culture around that. PROGRAM i know
44:29
Speaker 6: HISTORICALLY ucla hasn't really done, anything you, know in the
44:32
Speaker 6: last ten fifteen, years but that's one of the ones
44:36
Speaker 6: that you, know it's, like right, now it looks kind of,
44:38
Speaker 6: weird but you, know depending on how this new coaching
44:42
Speaker 6: staff does AT, ucla it could honestly be you, know
44:45
Speaker 6: pretty good to you, know. Decent you, Know that's HOW
44:48
Speaker 6: i kind of see THAT ucla transfer For tayo looking.
44:50
Speaker 4: Too, Okay So i'm gonna ask my favorite thing to
44:54
Speaker 4: do to you is ask these unfair questions that are you,
44:56
Speaker 4: know it's they're all predictive and it's not really possible
44:59
Speaker 4: to get.
44:59
Speaker 2: It one hundred percent.
45:00
Speaker 3: Right but this, one you could look back and you could, say,
45:03
Speaker 3: ha told you, so or you could look back and
45:06
Speaker 3: say that was never my real.
45:07
Speaker 2: Answer you forced me into.
45:08
Speaker 4: It the gem of this transfer portal the incoming guys
45:12
Speaker 4: who will be the most, productive who will be the
45:15
Speaker 4: one that we're six seven games in next year saying, like,
45:18
Speaker 4: wow what a get that?
45:19
Speaker 6: Was, ooh that's a hard, one because you, know if
45:24
Speaker 6: you're looking like, immediately like at current immediate, NEEDS i
45:28
Speaker 6: think you Know Elijah, Reid Kyrie, Schulz Braden pagan are
45:32
Speaker 6: kind Of James, Chenault Cedric. JEFFERSON i think those are
45:35
Speaker 6: the ones that immediately come to. Mind BUT i think
45:37
Speaker 6: when we look like down the road decent amount of,
45:42
Speaker 6: Time i'm gonna take a complete shot in the, dark
45:46
Speaker 6: And i'm gonna Say Earl parker Or Steve Chavez, soto
45:50
Speaker 6: those are the Two i'm gonna go.
45:51
Speaker 4: With, Interesting, now let me ask, you does that mean
45:55
Speaker 4: these guys like two years from now are gonna be
45:58
Speaker 4: a bigger story or you're saying like ten games from
46:01
Speaker 4: now instead of six games from.
46:02
Speaker 6: Now, well So steve is. More steve's only a red shirt,
46:06
Speaker 6: FRESHMAN i, believe or a, freshman SO i don't, think you,
46:10
Speaker 6: Know wyshawn's clearly ARE rb one this. Season but If
46:13
Speaker 6: weishan has another massive, season we could easily See wyshan
46:17
Speaker 6: declaring for THE Nfl draft and going to THE. Nfl
46:20
Speaker 6: and If. Steve steve has been described by many people
46:23
Speaker 6: as Baby, Scataboo so that tells you what type of
46:26
Speaker 6: like runner he is and what kind of athlete he.
46:29
Speaker 6: Is so that's WHY i kind of put project him out.
46:32
Speaker 6: LONGWISE i think that you, know at this time next,
46:36
Speaker 6: year So january of twenty twenty, SEVEN i think we
46:39
Speaker 6: might be talking About steve being one of those breakout
46:42
Speaker 6: players from The portal And. Earl you, know a very
46:45
Speaker 6: a kid that bet on himself big. Time he. Came
46:48
Speaker 6: he's From alaska and he just started firing off emails
46:52
Speaker 6: to any community COLLEGE fcs, TEAM sbs team that would
46:56
Speaker 6: bring him, in and he ended up At hutchinson In.
46:58
Speaker 6: Kansas talk got a kid that's betting on himself and
47:01
Speaker 6: he played lights out For hutchinson this. Year and you,
47:04
Speaker 6: KNOW i honestly think he's one of those ones that could,
47:07
Speaker 6: be you, know one of those next GREAT juga players
47:09
Speaker 6: That utah turns into AN nfl.
47:11
Speaker 4: Star the REASON i asked you that follow up question
47:14
Speaker 4: is because LIKE i have now girded, Myself i've prepared
47:18
Speaker 4: myself to just you got these guys for one. Year
47:22
Speaker 4: i'm not even trying to project people for twenty twenty
47:25
Speaker 4: seven because you just have to re recruit, everyone and
47:28
Speaker 4: we're gonna have this same conversation a year from now
47:31
Speaker 4: about who you got to, stay who ended up, leaving et.
47:34
Speaker 4: Cetera SO i don't know that long term development for
47:38
Speaker 4: a program that has always buttered his bread with long term,
47:40
Speaker 4: DEVELOPMENT i don't know if it's something you can bank on.
47:43
Speaker 6: Anymore it's not to a certain. EXTENT i think that
47:47
Speaker 6: there are certain cases Where utah has that long term.
47:50
Speaker 6: DEVELOPMENT i, mean look at the offensive, line like, You
47:54
Speaker 6: caleb I almos Said Caleb. WILLIAMS i watched The bears
47:56
Speaker 6: game last. Night still on my, Mind Caleb, Lomu Spencer.
47:59
Speaker 6: FAWN i, know you know all the other guys that
48:02
Speaker 6: are on this offensive, line and even the guys that
48:04
Speaker 6: are projected to start next, year with the exception Of.
48:06
Speaker 6: Jefferson you, Know Keith olsen has been here for a long.
48:09
Speaker 6: Time Zaraway williams has been here for a long. Time
48:11
Speaker 6: Alex harrison has been here for a long. Time so
48:14
Speaker 6: there is guys THAT i think still you get that
48:17
Speaker 6: chance to, develop AND i think there's there's still those
48:20
Speaker 6: kids that want. THAT i think, that you, KNOW i
48:23
Speaker 6: know there's a lot of people who talk about there's
48:24
Speaker 6: no more loyalty in college, football, like, yeah there. Isn't
48:27
Speaker 6: BUT i still think there's there's still some kids that do,
48:30
Speaker 6: that that have the loyalty of you guys bet on
48:33
Speaker 6: me when no one else. Would So i'm gonna bet
48:36
Speaker 6: on myself with you. GUYS i think there still is
48:38
Speaker 6: that it's not as prominent as it used to, be
48:41
Speaker 6: BUT i still think that there is going to be
48:43
Speaker 6: those guys that do stick around and do develop themselves
48:46
Speaker 6: out from programs Like.
48:47
Speaker 2: Utah sam who wins The national championship, TONIGHT.
48:53
Speaker 6: I would love to See indiana. IN i would love.
48:56
Speaker 6: IT i think That indiana one of those teams THAT
49:00
Speaker 6: i think you talked in kind of somewhat to a certain,
49:02
Speaker 6: extent model themselves after obviously they don't have A Mark,
49:05
Speaker 6: Cuban utah, doesn't but you, Know signetti did what he
49:09
Speaker 6: needed to do to get the players in that could
49:11
Speaker 6: impact the team when he needed it the. Most AND
49:13
Speaker 6: i think that that's something that you, Know utah could
49:16
Speaker 6: could build themselves. After SO i personally would love to
49:19
Speaker 6: See indiana.
49:20
Speaker 2: Win, sammy you're the.
49:23
Speaker 4: Best appreciate your time as, Always talk, Soon Thanks. Musi
49:28
Speaker 4: Sammy mora managing editor over at ute zone dot. Com the,
49:33
Speaker 4: utes by the, way they're transfer portal class ranking according
49:38
Speaker 4: to a three take a wild Guest James. Fact don't
49:42
Speaker 4: look it, up formulate your guests in your mind And
49:45
Speaker 4: i'll tell you where they. Rank, next it's The shant
49:47
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49:50
Speaker 8: Fm she was listening to The sean O'Connell show for
49:56
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50:01
Speaker 3: Am And Evan cohen is going to be joining US
50:12
Speaker 3: espn radios done sportsmen like daily right here On utah's
50:16
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50:18
Speaker 3: Am eastern time show at four am here In Salt.
50:22
Speaker 3: Lakes Evan, cohen one of the best in the, business
50:26
Speaker 3: joining us here in about five. Minutes we will ask
50:30
Speaker 3: him about all things college, football THE, nfl playoff, weekend et.
50:33
Speaker 3: CETERA i wanted to uh to inform You utah, fans
50:37
Speaker 3: we're trying to dissect what The utes ended up with
50:40
Speaker 3: in The Transfer. Portal we'll find out a lot more
50:42
Speaker 3: during spring and of course even more during the. Fall
50:45
Speaker 3: but on three that's kind of tried to position themselves
50:48
Speaker 3: as the ultimate nil and transfer portal type type news.
50:53
Speaker 3: Site their rankings Have utah number sixty seven in the,
50:58
Speaker 3: country not where you want to see what you want to, hear,
51:00
Speaker 3: necessarily but on paper they have the sixty seventh Ranked
51:04
Speaker 3: Transfer Portal, index meaning your net gain or loss sixty.
51:09
Speaker 4: Seven guess who's right above Of. James guess who number
51:14
Speaker 4: sixty sixty six is The Michigan WOLVERINES. Oho interestingly, enough
51:21
Speaker 4: so when you think of all the guys That utah
51:23
Speaker 4: lost to the Transfer portal versus what they brought, in
51:28
Speaker 4: because your, familiarity you could look at it and, say
51:31
Speaker 4: oh my. Gosh but on three doesn't have the emotional,
51:34
Speaker 4: connection the name recognition. Thing they're talking about production and
51:38
Speaker 4: the production you brought back versus the production that you.
51:41
Speaker 4: Lost is remarkably similar To, michigan where a lot of
51:45
Speaker 4: those guys WENT.
51:46
Speaker 3: I THINK i Think utah fans the ones that are
51:50
Speaker 3: feeling negative about the transfer. Portal it's understandable, because like
51:55
Speaker 3: you just, said the bigger. Names it seems like the
52:00
Speaker 3: bigger names Left utah's program than what Left michigan's. Program,
52:05
Speaker 3: Right and we know around, here we know all those
52:09
Speaker 3: guys really, well all of them were really productive in
52:12
Speaker 3: one way or, another particularly the ones that went To
52:15
Speaker 3: michigan and Then Dallas bauclahi also went to a big
52:18
Speaker 3: time program In Penn.
52:19
Speaker 2: State. Right but.
52:23
Speaker 3: It's like six guys is seven if you Count Tail,
52:27
Speaker 3: johnson it's seven.
52:27
Speaker 2: Guys that's not that.
52:28
Speaker 3: Many it's not the drastic departure that some other teams,
52:33
Speaker 3: experienced but it.
52:34
Speaker 4: Is it's not, nothing it's not. Nothing Texas tech is
52:38
Speaker 4: number one according to their. Rankings indiana's number, two LSU's
52:44
Speaker 4: way up. There texas is. Seven houston is the second
52:48
Speaker 4: ranked in The big twelve. World houston comes in at
52:51
Speaker 4: number eight according to on THREE byus at Fourteen West
52:55
Speaker 4: virginia randomly at, seventeen they brought in thirty one new
52:59
Speaker 4: guy in the transfer, portal and that's so. FAR byus
53:03
Speaker 4: brought in. Eight Texas tech has nineteen new. Players four
53:09
Speaker 4: of them or excuse, me six of them are four.
53:12
Speaker 4: Stars they, lost no four. Stars they brought in six new.
53:16
Speaker 4: Ones they brought in thirteen three stars and they lost twenty.
53:19
Speaker 6: One.
53:21
Speaker 3: Wow and remember the portals closed for everybody but the.
53:24
Speaker 3: Game but the team's playing, tonight so there's potentially more
53:27
Speaker 3: movement and more guys that teams can be in, on you,
53:31
Speaker 3: know From indiana And.
53:33
Speaker 4: Miami gotta take a break. Here Evan cohen joins us
53:36
Speaker 4: next From. Unsportsmanlike right here ON Espn. Radio it's The
53:39
Speaker 4: sean O'Connell show On utah's number one Sports TALK espn
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Speaker 4: seven hundred and ninety.
53:43
Speaker 2: Two ON Fl.
53:49
Speaker 9: It's sean O'Connell.
53:50
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Speaker 1: Use let's get back TO woc from The Murdoch Chevrolet
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53:58
Speaker 2: Hundred welcome to our number two on The sewan O'Connell.
54:06
Speaker 4: Show welcome In Evan, cohen host OF Espn Radio's. Unsportsmanlike
54:12
Speaker 4: he's Alongside Chris canty And Michelle smallman every morning that's
54:15
Speaker 4: early early here in The mountain.
54:17
Speaker 2: Time, zone four.
54:18
Speaker 4: Am he's he's on at six on The east coach
54:22
Speaker 4: was still early enough for. Me but he's a hard
54:24
Speaker 4: working man and he's kind enough to give us a
54:26
Speaker 4: few moments today.
54:29
Speaker 2: On Salt Lake City, Radio, evin, welcome how are, you?
54:31
Speaker 7: Sir?
54:33
Speaker 5: Sewn thanks for having. ME i appreciate.
54:35
Speaker 4: It so we started the show today gushing about an
54:39
Speaker 4: incredible divisional weekend in THE nfl playoffs and the controversy
54:44
Speaker 4: about a couple of catches that one was ruled an,
54:47
Speaker 4: interception one was ruled a catch and down By Devonte,
54:50
Speaker 4: adams and everyone took to social media and did their
54:53
Speaker 4: screen grabs and did their, dissections and all of us
54:57
Speaker 4: become professional rules analysts in these, moments And i'm here for,
55:02
Speaker 4: that EVEN i like the drama surrounding some of. That
55:05
Speaker 4: where did you net out on The broncos interception and
55:09
Speaker 4: The rams completion in the fourth? Quarter where there are
55:12
Speaker 4: those the same play adjudicated? Differently are they different enough
55:16
Speaker 4: that you have to look at them? Differently how did
55:19
Speaker 4: you handle those?
55:19
Speaker 5: Situations, Yeah so the main one for us this morning
55:24
Speaker 5: was The bills one and The Bills broncos, one simply
55:28
Speaker 5: because of the fact that we deemed that moment in
55:31
Speaker 5: those in that game to be the biggest. Story and you,
55:36
Speaker 5: know sometimes we get it, right which IS i guess
55:38
Speaker 5: say was one of those days we got it right
55:40
Speaker 5: because of the fact of the McDermott. FIRING i think
55:43
Speaker 5: the rest made the right. Calls AND i know that
55:45
Speaker 5: may seem contradictory That i'm going to say, That but
55:48
Speaker 5: the one That i'm focusing on specifically is That Buffalo denver,
55:52
Speaker 5: one BECAUSE i do believe that that was an. Interception
55:55
Speaker 5: AND i also can't shunk get out of my head
55:58
Speaker 5: the whole idea that we were making such a big
56:01
Speaker 5: deal about those plays, late specifically in The Denver buffalo,
56:04
Speaker 5: game and not as much about all of the other
56:07
Speaker 5: plays leading up to. That AND i know that that
56:09
Speaker 5: is a cop out, answer AND i understand that people
56:11
Speaker 5: look at those, plays both of, them THE la one
56:14
Speaker 5: In chicago and The Denver, buffalo say, well what's the
56:16
Speaker 5: difference between the. Two the difference between the two is
56:19
Speaker 5: one team has This hall Of fame quarterback who has
56:23
Speaker 5: never gotten it done in terms of winning at. All
56:26
Speaker 5: and that's the. Difference AND i understand that that's not
56:29
Speaker 5: AN x and o's referees type of, Answer but When
56:33
Speaker 5: brandoncu's going to the ground And denver comes up with the,
56:36
Speaker 5: ball and yet again it's Another Josh allen unfortunate. Mistake
56:41
Speaker 5: that's where my mind, goes and, YES i think they
56:43
Speaker 5: got it.
56:43
Speaker 4: Right was the play call of mistake taking a shot
56:48
Speaker 4: there when you just need to march down the field
56:50
Speaker 4: and get a field. GOAL i, mean you've already gotten
56:52
Speaker 4: that first possession out of the. Way if you can
56:54
Speaker 4: just methodically find a way to get down there and
56:56
Speaker 4: score kick a field goal doesn't have to be. Said
57:00
Speaker 4: he doesn't have to Be Josh allen. Heroics you just
57:03
Speaker 4: got to. March was it the right call to time
57:05
Speaker 4: to take a bit of a.
57:06
Speaker 5: Shot it's a great point by you because people are
57:10
Speaker 5: not playing the opposite part of, this, like for, example
57:13
Speaker 5: on the tradavious white pass interference that, moment let's just
57:18
Speaker 5: say they. Don't i'll answer you a question in a,
57:19
Speaker 5: second but it goes to your question the tradavious white
57:22
Speaker 5: pass interference that was called for On. Buffalo people realize
57:27
Speaker 5: that if that's not, called it's still third and twelve
57:31
Speaker 5: FROM i believe the thirty eight yard, line which would
57:33
Speaker 5: be in field goal, range and if you run the,
57:36
Speaker 5: ball it's better version of field goal. Range so in
57:40
Speaker 5: the scenario that you were referring, TO i totally think
57:44
Speaker 5: that that such an interesting part of. This it's the
57:46
Speaker 5: play before aspect of. It it's hitting singles when you
57:49
Speaker 5: don't have to hit a home. Run you know that
57:52
Speaker 5: part of. This, so, yes the play call could be.
57:55
Speaker 5: Argued NOW i must answer a question with a, question
57:59
Speaker 5: is there ever a bad play call With Josh allen
58:01
Speaker 5: as your? Quarterback and if you're answering, yes that's a bigger. Conversation, well, WELL.
58:06
Speaker 2: I guess when he's had a rough.
58:08
Speaker 3: Day, yeah that you could have some bad play calls
58:12
Speaker 3: when he's your, quarterback, right BECAUSE i, mean he's so
58:15
Speaker 3: good at all of the. Things you don't have to
58:19
Speaker 3: have him do a thing that maybe is not dialed
58:21
Speaker 3: in for that particular. Day you can have him throw
58:24
Speaker 3: the high percentage. Ball you can have him keep it
58:27
Speaker 3: in his hands and. Run ALTHOUGH i don't know the
58:29
Speaker 3: injuries in this divisional round what an insane thing that
58:32
Speaker 3: we'll get to here in a. Second, SO i, mean
58:35
Speaker 3: if we could just keep exchanging questions for, questions is
58:39
Speaker 3: it a bad play call when he's having a bad,
58:41
Speaker 3: day or do you have to treat him like he's
58:42
Speaker 3: not having a bad day because you expect him to
58:45
Speaker 3: just be able to compartmentalize every.
58:47
Speaker 5: Down SO i like this, bit are we gonna do
58:51
Speaker 5: Every let's let's see how many questions we can ask
58:54
Speaker 5: each other in a. Row here we, go because all
58:56
Speaker 5: of this makes, Sense, Sean what you AND i are
58:58
Speaker 5: doing actually makes. Sense here we.
59:00
Speaker 10: Go, ready Did Tom?
59:03
Speaker 5: Brady Did Bill belichick ever Tell Tom brady you're not
59:06
Speaker 5: allowed to do? BLANK i don't know what the blank.
59:11
Speaker 5: Is but if there's anything That Bill belichick told him
59:13
Speaker 5: he not allowed to? Do was there anything That Andy
59:15
Speaker 5: reid Told mahomes he was not allowed to? Do and
59:19
Speaker 5: the REASON i answer your question with a question off
59:21
Speaker 5: of my question with another question and a lot of
59:22
Speaker 5: questions is because did we just actually pinpoint Why sean
59:27
Speaker 5: McDermott got Fired Like sean in that, spot even though
59:31
Speaker 5: It's Josh, allen hit singles not triples and home. Runs
59:36
Speaker 5: Tell Josh allen we're playing for a field. Goal everything's.
59:40
Speaker 5: Safe every drive ends up with a. KICK i don't
59:43
Speaker 5: care about a. TOUCHDOWN i care about three BEFORE i
59:45
Speaker 5: care about six slash seven in that, Regard is that
59:48
Speaker 5: actually Why sean McDermott just got. Fired did we pinpoint
59:51
Speaker 5: you to your? Credit did you pinpoint? Why Because Josh
59:55
Speaker 5: allen has a green light at all, times and even
59:58
Speaker 5: the greats need a yell light at.
1:00:00
Speaker 2: TIMES i agree wholeheartedly with.
1:00:04
Speaker 3: That and when you talk about a coach being fired
1:00:07
Speaker 3: as the result of a situation like, this here's another.
1:00:11
Speaker 2: Question obviously it do you ever find?
1:00:14
Speaker 3: Yourself do you ever find yourself as a coach hamstrung
1:00:18
Speaker 3: by the idea that your players can make you, right that,
1:00:22
Speaker 3: well this guy's so. GOOD i don't have to have
1:00:24
Speaker 3: the best version of.
1:00:26
Speaker 4: MYSELF i don't have to have the best play, CALL
1:00:28
Speaker 4: i don't have to have the best, whatever BECAUSE i
1:00:31
Speaker 4: get to be a little bit lazy. HERE i get
1:00:33
Speaker 4: to be a little bit reckless here when people who
1:00:36
Speaker 4: don't Have Josh allen can't, right even if you only
1:00:40
Speaker 4: Have Jordan, love you probably have to be a little
1:00:43
Speaker 4: bit more. Careful and is that why McDermott finds himself
1:00:47
Speaker 4: on the unemployment, line ALTHOUGH i think it'll be very
1:00:49
Speaker 4: briefly because he's he's making more reckless decisions because he's
1:00:56
Speaker 4: got that, guy.
1:01:00
Speaker 5: Very very interesting question. Right in other, words don't act
1:01:04
Speaker 5: Like Josh allen is your quarterback in that, spot act
1:01:07
Speaker 5: like his, Backup Mitch trubisky is the, quarterback because what
1:01:10
Speaker 5: would you do With Mitch trubisky in that? Spot what
1:01:13
Speaker 5: you would do is ensure yourself and guarantee yourself a
1:01:17
Speaker 5: field goal, opportunity because even if you think that play
1:01:21
Speaker 5: is a fifty to fifty, scenario on that, interception you
1:01:25
Speaker 5: still put yourself in a position where it may not
1:01:27
Speaker 5: be your. Ball and in that, case it was not your, ball,
1:01:30
Speaker 5: Right AND i think there is something to. That what
1:01:32
Speaker 5: you are saying is even With Josh, allen at times
1:01:36
Speaker 5: you have to be conservative and that don't allow the
1:01:39
Speaker 5: greatness of the quarterback to allow you to take risks
1:01:42
Speaker 5: that you shouldn't be.
1:01:43
Speaker 2: Taking, Well i'm.
1:01:46
Speaker 3: Now asking the question if he will ever win A Super,
1:01:49
Speaker 3: Bowl If Josh allen's ever going to win A Super,
1:01:51
Speaker 3: Bowl AND i know that there are a lot of
1:01:53
Speaker 3: people who are just, like of, course look at look
1:01:55
Speaker 3: what he's, got look at what you know his individual
1:01:57
Speaker 3: talents can.
1:01:58
Speaker 4: Do and The bills will hire the right guy to maximize.
1:02:01
Speaker 4: Him and if you, know if McDermott in this case
1:02:04
Speaker 4: was not the right, guy then they'll find THE nfl
1:02:07
Speaker 4: equivalent Of Steve, kerr who just takes that next step
1:02:10
Speaker 4: with an already talented. Team i'm not one to guarantee those.
1:02:15
Speaker 4: Things i'm not one to think that that stuff is
1:02:17
Speaker 4: what you can take for. Granted and it's not getting
1:02:20
Speaker 4: easier in TODAY'S nfl to extend your great run years
1:02:24
Speaker 4: and years and. Years Is Josh allen approaching a point
1:02:28
Speaker 4: in his career he's at risk of just being A Matt,
1:02:31
Speaker 4: ryan of being A Philip, rivers of being a guy
1:02:34
Speaker 4: who's considered one of the greats of his, era but
1:02:37
Speaker 4: one that never ultimately gets it.
1:02:39
Speaker 5: Done, yeah it's an interesting. Question And i'm thinking about
1:02:43
Speaker 5: this As i'm talking to you and thinking about the
1:02:46
Speaker 5: amazing stability that your state has had in terms of, coaches,
1:02:52
Speaker 5: RIGHT i, mean if you're thinking about, It i'm just
1:02:53
Speaker 5: Thinking Jerry, Spoone Quinn, snyder and obviously Now Will hardy's
1:02:57
Speaker 5: not going. Anywhere the handoff from From urban To. Winningham
1:03:01
Speaker 5: maybe that's a touchy subject, today but you get the.
1:03:03
Speaker 2: Overall, SURE.
1:03:06
Speaker 5: I. Don't and McDermott was there for nine, years, right
1:03:09
Speaker 5: that's a, long, long long period of time in THE,
1:03:12
Speaker 5: nfl AND i will tell you that the next hire
1:03:15
Speaker 5: to me should not be about. Longevity it should just
1:03:18
Speaker 5: be about what you just, Said who Gives Josh allen
1:03:22
Speaker 5: the best chance of winning A Super bowl? Yesterday LIKE
1:03:27
Speaker 5: i think if you look around the league right, Now, Raiders, Cardinals, Brown's,
1:03:33
Speaker 5: dolphins just the name Of, titans just the name of,
1:03:36
Speaker 5: few right those teams have to find a coach that
1:03:40
Speaker 5: is going to be with them for five. Years like,
1:03:43
Speaker 5: that you have to find. STABILITY i don't think The
1:03:46
Speaker 5: bills have to find a coach that's going to be
1:03:47
Speaker 5: with them for five. YEARS i think The bills have
1:03:49
Speaker 5: to find a coach, that if he wins A Super
1:03:51
Speaker 5: bowl With Josh, allen could retire the next. Day and
1:03:54
Speaker 5: you don't, care like that's how immediate this is and
1:03:57
Speaker 5: your focal point is dead. On this can not be about.
1:04:01
Speaker 5: Forever this has to be about holy, bleep Could Josh
1:04:05
Speaker 5: allen actually go his entire career without winning A Super? Bowl,
1:04:09
Speaker 5: now the two guys you, MENTIONED i understand that it's
1:04:11
Speaker 5: just a Comparison ryan And. RIVERS i Think Josh allen
1:04:14
Speaker 5: is significantly better than both of them already in my.
1:04:17
Speaker 5: Mind but the end result may get you to the same.
1:04:20
Speaker 5: PLACE i just think they need to do everything in
1:04:23
Speaker 5: their power to ensure themselves as much of a guarantee
1:04:27
Speaker 5: as possible at that head coaching.
1:04:29
Speaker 2: Position there's a lot of candidates out.
1:04:32
Speaker 3: There is there one that comes to mind that can
1:04:34
Speaker 3: achieve that for The Buffalo? Bills if you're THE, gm
1:04:37
Speaker 3: if you're the team, president if you're the, owner is
1:04:40
Speaker 3: there a phone call you're ready to make because you
1:04:43
Speaker 3: want to Get Josh allen set up for success?
1:04:45
Speaker 2: Yesterday?
1:04:47
Speaker 5: Yeah AND i know people are gonna laugh at, me
1:04:49
Speaker 5: BUT i Think belichick's the best coach of all. TIME
1:04:52
Speaker 5: i don't care about the last year or two In New.
1:04:53
Speaker 5: ENGLAND i don't care About North. CAROLINA i don't think
1:04:55
Speaker 5: that has anything to do with what he could do
1:04:57
Speaker 5: upon arrival In. BUFFALO i really don't. LIKE i just,
1:05:00
Speaker 5: think give him that quarterback and give him cold, weather
1:05:04
Speaker 5: and give him the anger Towards New. England that's just.
1:05:07
Speaker 5: ME i understand ninety nine point nine percent of the
1:05:09
Speaker 5: people listening In utah right, now seven hundred they're probably
1:05:13
Speaker 5: saying this guy's an. IDIOT i get, That so then
1:05:15
Speaker 5: go to the next version of, That and to, me
1:05:17
Speaker 5: That's Mike, tomlin who you would have to trade, for
1:05:21
Speaker 5: does not look like he's going to coach this year
1:05:23
Speaker 5: and was college teammates With sean, McDermott so maybe he
1:05:25
Speaker 5: doesn't want to do, That so keep going down that.
1:05:29
Speaker 5: Line mike. McCarthy i understand people are gonna, say, well
1:05:33
Speaker 5: aren't these guys known for falling short Like tomlin and. McCarthy,
1:05:36
Speaker 5: well they also are known for falling short because they
1:05:38
Speaker 5: won it all when they Had hall Of fame. Quarterbacks
1:05:41
Speaker 5: get a guy who knows what to do with The
1:05:43
Speaker 5: hall Of fame quarterback and has done something with The
1:05:46
Speaker 5: hall Of fame. Quarterback so those are just a couple
1:05:48
Speaker 5: of names THAT i would look. AT i would be
1:05:50
Speaker 5: Like Brian dave all may end up being the head coach,
1:05:53
Speaker 5: there and maybe he'll be great second time, coach it's not,
1:05:56
Speaker 5: guarantee even though he has a relationship With Josh allen
1:05:59
Speaker 5: from his time coaching as THE oc. THERE i just
1:06:01
Speaker 5: would be really nervous if it were me to hire
1:06:04
Speaker 5: a first time coach that was a complete unknown when
1:06:08
Speaker 5: it comes to Coaching Josh.
1:06:09
Speaker 4: Allen Evan cohen is our guest here on The sean O'Connell.
1:06:13
Speaker 4: Show you can hear him every morning ON espn seven
1:06:16
Speaker 4: hundred at four am ON Espn Radios unsportsmanlike With Michelle
1:06:21
Speaker 4: smallman And Chris. Canty all, right let's talk about another young.
1:06:24
Speaker 4: Quarterback he's not nearly as established As Josh. ALLEN i
1:06:28
Speaker 4: think he's every bit as. Talented we learned a lot
1:06:31
Speaker 4: About Caleb williams When utah was a member of The
1:06:34
Speaker 4: pac twelve, conference and they had some great battles with
1:06:36
Speaker 4: him as The trojans. Quarterback AND i think, people you,
1:06:40
Speaker 4: know nobody here loves the, guy but everyone acknowledges, that,
1:06:43
Speaker 4: oh my, goodness he does things that very few people can.
1:06:46
Speaker 4: Do and you're old, enough you're around my. Age you're
1:06:49
Speaker 4: old enough to have played Super techmobile Or Tech, mobile
1:06:52
Speaker 4: where you take the snap with your quarterback and you
1:06:54
Speaker 4: run back straight thirty yards twenty five yards and then
1:06:57
Speaker 4: you vombit to your favorite wide receiver for a. TON
1:07:00
Speaker 4: i didn't think it was gonna work in THE. NFL
1:07:03
Speaker 4: i didn't think that real life football players were allowed
1:07:05
Speaker 4: to do things like, that And Caleb williams proved me
1:07:08
Speaker 4: wrong in a divisional round with the game on the.
1:07:11
Speaker 5: Line no less uh in the irony of. IRONIES i
1:07:15
Speaker 5: literally played a video game OF i Played madden with
1:07:19
Speaker 5: my son for about fifteen minutes BEFORE i had to
1:07:22
Speaker 5: take him somewhere about an hour, ago AND i swear to,
1:07:26
Speaker 5: YOU i had a play WHERE i WAS i was
1:07:28
Speaker 5: running backwards Like caleb and couldn't even complete the pass
1:07:31
Speaker 5: and video games so that was, unbelievable and, that to,
1:07:35
Speaker 5: me will go down the. Past Kokal man End zone
1:07:38
Speaker 5: will go down as one of the greatest plays that
1:07:42
Speaker 5: meant nothing ultimately in the history of. Sports. SERIOUSLY i
1:07:46
Speaker 5: grew up In New. York i'm a Lifelong New York mets.
1:07:49
Speaker 5: Fan there was a play in the two thousand and
1:07:51
Speaker 5: SIX nlcs against The Saint Louis cardinals where Nd chavez
1:07:56
Speaker 5: e n D Y, chavez an outfielder that no one
1:08:00
Speaker 5: right now listening knows who this, is but he had a.
1:08:03
Speaker 5: Catch people could look it up two thousand and Six
1:08:05
Speaker 5: Indie javis one of the greatest catches in a game
1:08:07
Speaker 5: you'll ever see in your. Life AND i, thought oh my,
1:08:10
Speaker 5: god The mets are gonna do. This they're gonna get
1:08:11
Speaker 5: back to The World series. Finally and you know, what
1:08:14
Speaker 5: they didn't even win that. Game and so it ultimately,
1:08:17
Speaker 5: mattered not at. All And caleb's. Greatness by the, way
1:08:21
Speaker 5: there's probably moments IF i, said, Boy i'm talking to
1:08:24
Speaker 5: the right guy in the right fan. Base how many
1:08:26
Speaker 5: moments From Bulls jazz finals do you probably look back
1:08:31
Speaker 5: upon and people In utah look back upon and, say
1:08:33
Speaker 5: that was an unreal moment for Then michael, Happened so
1:08:36
Speaker 5: then who cares like it doesn't really matter that that
1:08:38
Speaker 5: happened that? Way, Right it's one of those kind of.
1:08:40
Speaker 5: THINGS i, mean it was one of the great, moments
1:08:41
Speaker 5: one of the great throwers you'll ever see in your.
1:08:43
Speaker 5: Life but then obviously throws the interception in overtime and
1:08:46
Speaker 5: they lose the. Game they're way ahead of. Schedule AND
1:08:48
Speaker 5: i think that entire argument about it was Could caleb
1:08:51
Speaker 5: be a? Bust was he not the right? Pick you
1:08:53
Speaker 5: know what the right pick was for that? Draft The
1:08:55
Speaker 5: bears were right With, caleb The commanders are right With Jayden,
1:08:58
Speaker 5: daniels and The patriots are right With Drake. May it's
1:09:01
Speaker 5: unbelievable all three of them were right answers that.
1:09:03
Speaker 4: Year, yeah rare. Win when when now the? Interception the
1:09:07
Speaker 4: ensuing interception after that unbelievable individual play that was. Bad
1:09:13
Speaker 4: and it's interesting to me to see how many people
1:09:15
Speaker 4: are ready to dump that ON Dj moore and, say
1:09:18
Speaker 4: look at the lack of effort.
1:09:19
Speaker 2: Here and the people doing so are ALL nfl.
1:09:22
Speaker 4: Quarterbacks you know a lot more about route concepts and
1:09:25
Speaker 4: how to defeat that particular look and coverage THAN i ever.
1:09:28
Speaker 4: Will so if we, say all, right that's Not caleb's.
1:09:31
Speaker 4: Fault he threw the ball twenty two yards on the
1:09:34
Speaker 4: hash where that ball is supposed to go because of the,
1:09:36
Speaker 4: coverage and we just we just take everyone at their
1:09:39
Speaker 4: word and we, say all, right that's the wide receiver's.
1:09:42
Speaker 4: Fault how do you handle that wide receiver moving?
1:09:45
Speaker 3: Forward because if it were the quarterback equivalent Of, wow
1:09:49
Speaker 3: this guy threw the game away with this boneheaded, decision
1:09:53
Speaker 3: you got fifty million bucks a year dumped into the,
1:09:56
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks so you're just gonna.
1:09:57
Speaker 2: Live with that.
1:09:57
Speaker 4: PAIN i don't know if you have to do the
1:09:59
Speaker 4: same thing with wide, receivers especially if it's an effort.
1:10:02
Speaker 4: Thing so how do you handle a receiver or any
1:10:05
Speaker 4: player outside of the quarterback position who is responsible for
1:10:09
Speaker 4: a moment like.
1:10:09
Speaker 5: That, yeah that's a good, question because on our, show
1:10:13
Speaker 5: this morning and On sports with Like Chris canty will
1:10:16
Speaker 5: play defensive, line but is the smartest football guy you'll
1:10:19
Speaker 5: ever hear it.
1:10:20
Speaker 2: Talk to in your.
1:10:20
Speaker 5: Life did really take the. TASK Dj moore in that.
1:10:23
Speaker 5: Spot AND i think that what we've seen about From Ben,
1:10:26
Speaker 5: johnson the head coach of The, bears is clearly he's
1:10:29
Speaker 5: not afraid to go after. Guys AND i do think
1:10:32
Speaker 5: that The bears specifically need more out of those wide
1:10:36
Speaker 5: receivers moving. Forward Roma dunde was kind of up and
1:10:38
Speaker 5: down the receiver From washington this year And Dj, MOORE i,
1:10:41
Speaker 5: MEAN i don't, know The Dj moore look like a
1:10:43
Speaker 5: can't miss number one receiver like they're paying him to.
1:10:46
Speaker 5: BE i think that the guy looked really good for
1:10:48
Speaker 5: them With Luther, burden the second round pick out Of.
1:10:50
Speaker 5: Missouri BUT i think that kind of stuff can't happen
1:10:54
Speaker 5: anymore if you're The, Bears like and MAYBE Dj moore
1:10:59
Speaker 5: becomes that. Guy they're not gonna get rid of him
1:11:01
Speaker 5: because of, it but it is he potentially that guy
1:11:03
Speaker 5: where they look at the other two would say this
1:11:05
Speaker 5: is an expendable piece and we're gonna have moments like
1:11:08
Speaker 5: that where we're gonna wonder what's going on, there like
1:11:10
Speaker 5: how does that moment? Happen you? Know and SO i
1:11:14
Speaker 5: think that they have to deal with, it and that's
1:11:16
Speaker 5: gonna be an interesting thing Because Ben johnson is gonna
1:11:18
Speaker 5: put a lot of the target on him because he is.
1:11:20
Speaker 5: Outspoken as we, know he had a lot to, say
1:11:24
Speaker 5: had a lot to say about The Green Bay. Packers
1:11:27
Speaker 5: but at some point if your team and it's gonna
1:11:30
Speaker 5: come back and bite. Him it always. Does but if
1:11:33
Speaker 5: you the only way it comes back to bite you
1:11:35
Speaker 5: is if you're relevant enough for us to remember some
1:11:38
Speaker 5: of your different type. Moments and they are obviously going
1:11:42
Speaker 5: to be relevant enough because of. Him AND i think
1:11:45
Speaker 5: That Dj moore at what fifty plus catches this, Year
1:11:47
Speaker 5: if that's and seventeen games played For, chicago that's not.
1:11:50
Speaker 5: Impressive so, YEAH i better hear From Ben johnson on his. Own,
1:11:54
Speaker 5: guys if you're gonna have so much to, SAY i
1:11:56
Speaker 5: think you're right chron you've got to go After Dj
1:11:58
Speaker 5: moore in that spot as.
1:11:59
Speaker 3: Well can The broncos win without Bow knicks leading the?
1:12:04
Speaker 3: Charge Can Jarrett stidham win him AN Afc championship?
1:12:07
Speaker 2: Game he?
1:12:10
Speaker 5: Can BUT i also think by me saying that it
1:12:13
Speaker 5: downplays how good Bow knicks has. Been AND i think
1:12:17
Speaker 5: one of the most untold. Stories you AND i just
1:12:19
Speaker 5: went through those top three guys in the, draft but
1:12:22
Speaker 5: twenty four draft With Caleb jayden And Drake may AND
1:12:28
Speaker 5: i did not bring up shame on me Bow, knicks
1:12:29
Speaker 5: who was in the same. Draft he has played in every,
1:12:33
Speaker 5: game If i'm not, mistaken in the regular, season right
1:12:35
Speaker 5: close to, it if not all the games in the
1:12:36
Speaker 5: regular season over the last two, years he's been in the.
1:12:39
Speaker 5: Playoffs both. Years he took his team to THE Afc Championship.
1:12:42
Speaker 5: Game this year he outplayed Arguably Josh allen in terms
1:12:46
Speaker 5: of big, moments lack of, turnovers. Etc did have the
1:12:49
Speaker 5: one Which Josh allen did a terrible, job throwing another
1:12:51
Speaker 5: one right back to them and got his team to
1:12:54
Speaker 5: THE Afc Championship, game only to get hurt the second
1:12:57
Speaker 5: last play in, overtime which nobody on FIELD i think
1:13:00
Speaker 5: saw in the. MOMENTS i Think stidham could do, it
1:13:03
Speaker 5: just BECAUSE i don't think you can right off This
1:13:06
Speaker 5: Denver broncos team with how well they've, played specifically, defensively
1:13:10
Speaker 5: and how well coached they. ARE i will tell. You
1:13:12
Speaker 5: one of the most interesting parts of this game this
1:13:15
Speaker 5: weekend is how well how much The patriots are familiar With. Stidham,
1:13:21
Speaker 5: remember he was a draft pick by them years, ago
1:13:23
Speaker 5: fourth round pick out Of auburn Slash. Baylor his offensive
1:13:26
Speaker 5: coordinator when he got into the league Was josh. McDaniels
1:13:30
Speaker 5: he then goes after, that ends up on The, raiders
1:13:33
Speaker 5: where his head coach Was josh. McDaniels this, offseason when
1:13:38
Speaker 5: he was a free agent and The patriots Traded Joe
1:13:41
Speaker 5: milton to The, cowboys their backup, quarterback they're looking for
1:13:44
Speaker 5: a backup. Quarterback it was down to two, guys the
1:13:47
Speaker 5: guy they have on their, Team Josh dobbs And Jared.
1:13:50
Speaker 5: Stidham Why, Stidham who's the offensive coordinator In New, England josh.
1:13:54
Speaker 5: McDaniels so to say That New england knows him would
1:13:58
Speaker 5: be an. Understatement but to be, fair he probably knows
1:14:01
Speaker 5: a little bit About New england as. Well different head
1:14:03
Speaker 5: coach obviously With, rabel But i'm sure he's familiar a
1:14:06
Speaker 5: little bit with that. Style but. SURE i, MEAN i
1:14:09
Speaker 5: think that at this time of, year you can't rule out.
1:14:11
Speaker 5: Anything DO i think THE nfl and fans across the
1:14:14
Speaker 5: border in love with the idea of A Jarrett Stidham
1:14:17
Speaker 5: Sam darnold Super. Bowl maybe, not but we maybe look
1:14:20
Speaker 5: at that.
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Speaker 2: WELL i was gonna BE i was gonna ask You
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Speaker 2: rams Or.
1:14:24
Speaker 3: Seahawks who emerges after My San francisco forty nine ers
1:14:27
Speaker 3: laid the most embarrassing of eggs in that game Against.
1:14:31
Speaker 3: Seattle The seahawks look, Great The rams found a. Way
1:14:36
Speaker 3: who wins THE?
1:14:37
Speaker 5: Nfc, Yeah i'm probably gonna go with The rams just
1:14:42
Speaker 5: because of the, coach Quarterback. Combo been, there done. That
1:14:45
Speaker 5: that's a dumb, reason right that they've been in this moment.
1:14:48
Speaker 5: Before But i've been saying all year my theme with
1:14:50
Speaker 5: The rams Because i'm with, YOU i love The. Niners
1:14:52
Speaker 5: in terms of the way in which that they were
1:14:54
Speaker 5: operating this. YEAR i thought they were just great THAT
1:14:57
Speaker 5: i look at that. Team i've been saying all year
1:15:01
Speaker 5: The rams have been hiding in playing. Site it's like
1:15:04
Speaker 5: we forget how good they've been in the last few.
1:15:06
Speaker 5: Years we don't talk about them throughout the season as
1:15:09
Speaker 5: probably much as we. Should big market, team we, know
1:15:12
Speaker 5: but obviously in that market it's More lakers And dodgers.
1:15:15
Speaker 5: CENTRIC usc BUT i think The rams are hiding in playing,
1:15:19
Speaker 5: Site SO i, MEAN i think That's i'm gonna go
1:15:21
Speaker 5: with The.
1:15:22
Speaker 2: Rams all.
1:15:23
Speaker 4: Right we're at college football, market SO i can't let
1:15:25
Speaker 4: you get out of here BEFORE i ask you a
1:15:26
Speaker 4: national championship question or.
1:15:28
Speaker 2: Two indiana is right, NOW i ask you one.
1:15:32
Speaker 5: Question at the, end, THOUGH i got to ask you
1:15:34
Speaker 5: a question at the end that's totally FUN i had
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Speaker 5: on college, football and THEN i have a question for.
1:15:37
Speaker 4: You, well, look part of what we we love right
1:15:40
Speaker 4: when you're kind of like a mid, market when you're
1:15:42
Speaker 4: a team that has been there but not all the
1:15:45
Speaker 4: way done. It yet you See indiana and you, say,
1:15:48
Speaker 4: hey if they could do, it why can't. We if
1:15:51
Speaker 4: they can do, it why can't you talk they can do,
1:15:52
Speaker 4: it why can't be? Yu if they can do, it
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Speaker 4: that that's really the right way to approach, it even
1:16:01
Speaker 4: THOUGH i find myself in that category sometimes because what's.
1:16:04
Speaker 2: Happening is not it's.
1:16:06
Speaker 5: Not it's not it's. Not i'm gonna tell you why
1:16:08
Speaker 5: it only to, Interrupt but this is the craziest part
1:16:10
Speaker 5: of the story, Tonight great fans In. Utah you do
1:16:15
Speaker 5: realize how much better historically the youths are In indiana, football, like,
1:16:20
Speaker 5: correct significantly. Better you do realize that all of the
1:16:23
Speaker 5: success THAT dyu has, had, right all of the unbelievable
1:16:28
Speaker 5: players that have come through, there significantly better than that
1:16:32
Speaker 5: of what we see From. Indiana but, wait there's. More
1:16:35
Speaker 5: you do Realize Utah state has been better Than. Indiana,
1:16:40
Speaker 5: like this is the whole point.
1:16:41
Speaker 10: Here this should not Be if they can do, it
1:16:44
Speaker 10: why can't. We you've been doing it significantly better than
1:16:49
Speaker 10: this school for the last thirty to forty.
1:16:51
Speaker 5: Years it's not been applicable to the great schools In
1:16:55
Speaker 5: utah because you've been better than.
1:16:58
Speaker 3: Them then why are they so much better than everyone?
1:17:03
Speaker 2: Else right? Now is this That Kurt signetti is the?
1:17:05
Speaker 2: Answer kind of? Thing?
1:17:08
Speaker 5: Yes and Because Major League baseball made a stupid decision
1:17:12
Speaker 5: to Turn Mark cuban down from owning The Pittsburgh, pirates
1:17:15
Speaker 5: so instead he tried to own a college football, team
1:17:18
Speaker 5: the one he went. To so With Mark cuban, funding
1:17:21
Speaker 5: the program is. Brilliant and obviously there's big dollars and.
1:17:25
Speaker 5: Donors i'm sure AT, U TOM, byu And i'm not
1:17:27
Speaker 5: saying that there's not and they've had great coaches there
1:17:30
Speaker 5: as we. KNOW i mean we're. TALKING i Mean yu
1:17:32
Speaker 5: was one inches away from being in the. Playoffs utah
1:17:35
Speaker 5: has had some of the best players and coaches to
1:17:37
Speaker 5: come out of. It SO i, think, yes it is
1:17:40
Speaker 5: A signetti, thing it is a funding, thing and it
1:17:44
Speaker 5: is a coach who took a team with him to
1:17:48
Speaker 5: the next. Stop that's the other interesting. Thing like mel
1:17:51
Speaker 5: Kiper junior is on with us every Single wednesday and
1:17:56
Speaker 5: at six thirty your time every Single, wednesday and mel Kiper.
1:18:01
Speaker 5: Jr every time he talks About, signetti he talks about
1:18:05
Speaker 5: how interesting the future is going to be when he
1:18:07
Speaker 5: doesn't have THE jmu guys with him And James madison
1:18:11
Speaker 5: where he coached. Prior for, example correct me If i'm.
1:18:14
Speaker 5: Wrong Kyle whittingham took a lot of his coaches To,
1:18:17
Speaker 5: michigan not a lot of his, players.
1:18:19
Speaker 3: Right, Right, yeah he took his whole offensive staff and
1:18:23
Speaker 3: his best recruiter from the defensive, staff and then he
1:18:26
Speaker 3: TOOK i think we decided today it was like six.
1:18:28
Speaker 5: Guys imagine if he took his best players.
1:18:33
Speaker 2: Too. WELL i think he believes he did.
1:18:38
Speaker 5: Well you get What i'm. Saying if you, have if
1:18:41
Speaker 5: you have ten to fifteen guys off The utah roster
1:18:44
Speaker 5: that now you're bringing To michigan combining with The michigan
1:18:48
Speaker 5: roster and helping you set the tone for what your
1:18:52
Speaker 5: program is going to. Be that's part of the story.
1:18:55
Speaker 5: Here and, oh by the, way That mendoza and we'll
1:19:00
Speaker 5: see it here, tonight and those who was dying to
1:19:03
Speaker 5: go To. Miami his, dad he's From. Miami WHEN I
1:19:07
Speaker 5: state championship In, miami his dad played high school football
1:19:10
Speaker 5: with UM's Coach Mario. Christobal his mom was a tennis
1:19:13
Speaker 5: player At. Miami and when he was coming out of high,
1:19:16
Speaker 5: school Many diaz was then coach At miami now At,
1:19:18
Speaker 5: duke he wanted to go. There Many da has turned him.
1:19:21
Speaker 5: Down he went To cal as you, know covering the
1:19:25
Speaker 5: back twelve as much as you. Have he went To
1:19:27
Speaker 5: cal and he wanted to go To miami, potentially and
1:19:32
Speaker 5: there wasn't the obvious spot for, him and he goes To.
1:19:34
Speaker 5: Indiana SO i mean the fact That signetti ended up
1:19:37
Speaker 5: with him and he brought all THE jmu staff with,
1:19:40
Speaker 5: him and he's got The Mark cuban funding and as
1:19:43
Speaker 5: he said he wins google. Him it's just a perfect.
1:19:46
Speaker 2: Storm and, look it's if he wins it, tonight AND
1:19:50
Speaker 2: i think he.
1:19:50
Speaker 3: Will he, recaps he caps off The Greatest Sports. STORE i,
1:19:55
Speaker 3: mean you have to make it a movie at some,
1:19:57
Speaker 3: point because they went from worse to first literally in
1:20:00
Speaker 3: a three year, span really incredible. Stuff what Does miami
1:20:05
Speaker 3: have to do to keep this game?
1:20:06
Speaker 11: CLOSE i think they have to, attack, attack and attack.
1:20:10
Speaker 11: MORE i think they gotta get nasty and they gotta
1:20:13
Speaker 11: go after. Them i'm not suggesting to hurt. Him that's
1:20:16
Speaker 11: not him Being.
1:20:17
Speaker 5: Mentosa i'm saying to rough him, up almost like The
1:20:21
Speaker 5: patriots did WITH. Cj stroud, yesterday where it's like every
1:20:23
Speaker 5: time he drops back he's nervous something is going to go.
1:20:26
Speaker 5: Wrong miami has great defensive. Linemen they're coach on that
1:20:30
Speaker 5: defensive line By Jason, Taylor hall Of Famer Miami, dolphin
1:20:34
Speaker 5: AND i think they have to make it extremely uncomfortable For.
1:20:37
Speaker 5: Mendoza and this is where And i'm rooting For, miami
1:20:40
Speaker 5: but this is where it's a little. Tricky i'm not
1:20:44
Speaker 5: the Biggest Carson beck. FIT i have turned in his
1:20:46
Speaker 5: favor because he has learned WHAT i deem to be a,
1:20:49
Speaker 5: compliment not an. Insult how to manage the. Game the
1:20:53
Speaker 5: problem is everyone in the no tells me he can't
1:20:57
Speaker 5: just do. That he's got to try to win the
1:20:58
Speaker 5: game for them. Tonight and that's WHERE i get in her.
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Speaker 3: Us, Devin you've been incredibly gracious with your time and your,
1:21:03
Speaker 3: expertise SO i will answer your question if you really
1:21:06
Speaker 3: have one for.
1:21:07
Speaker 5: Me, OKAY i swear To GOD i. Do i've been
1:21:10
Speaker 5: dying to ask you, this all. RIGHT i am a
1:21:13
Speaker 5: pathetic loser when it comes to THE nba trade. Machine
1:21:18
Speaker 5: i'm obsessive over hypothetical, trades AND i like your big.
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Speaker 5: Picture what The jazz are going to do? Here is
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Speaker 5: low marketing going to be? Traded, Nurkic Kyle, Anderson kevin
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Speaker 5: love all these guys on big Contract, WELL i love.
1:21:35
Speaker 5: Not but all these guys on? Contracts are they going
1:21:37
Speaker 5: to go somewhere? Else what are The jazz going to
1:21:40
Speaker 5: do now over the next three?
1:21:41
Speaker 4: WEEKS i think that lowry marketing stays in The jazz.
1:21:44
Speaker 4: UNIFORM i think that this ownership group and the leadership
1:21:49
Speaker 4: here realize how difficult it is to get an all
1:21:51
Speaker 4: star caliber player In Salt Lake, city that truly loves
1:21:55
Speaker 4: being In Salt Lake, city And lowry marketing fits that
1:21:58
Speaker 4: mold the timing night might not work out as well
1:22:01
Speaker 4: because of his age and the rising age and his
1:22:03
Speaker 4: trade value if somebody else really wants, him so that
1:22:06
Speaker 4: could be the only thing that pulls him out of.
1:22:08
Speaker 4: Here BUT i believe that this ownership group and the
1:22:11
Speaker 4: management knows That lowry markin and truly loves being A
1:22:15
Speaker 4: utah Jazz. Man and that's not been the case With Gordon,
1:22:18
Speaker 4: hayward who was previously your best. Player that was not
1:22:21
Speaker 4: the case With Donovan, mitchell who was best. Player it
1:22:24
Speaker 4: wasn't the case With Rudy gobert at the, end and that's.
1:22:27
Speaker 4: Unfortunate so when you have one of those, GUYS i
1:22:30
Speaker 4: think they. FIGHT i, MEAN i know a lot of
1:22:31
Speaker 4: the fan base feels this, Way but Conversations i've had
1:22:34
Speaker 4: with people in the, ORGANIZATION i think they're starting to
1:22:37
Speaker 4: come around to the idea, that like, man when you've
1:22:39
Speaker 4: got an all star who likes being, here you should
1:22:42
Speaker 4: probably let him stay here rather than banking on future draft,
1:22:45
Speaker 4: capital especially when the lottery is rigged against. You but
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Speaker 4: that's a different Conversation george And. Yang you can probably
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Speaker 4: find a way to get him out of. Here love
1:22:54
Speaker 4: has been a great locker room, presence BUT i don't
1:22:56
Speaker 4: think he's important to the future for The Utah. Jazz
1:22:59
Speaker 4: but the building blocks of Like, Keyonte george And Walker
1:23:02
Speaker 4: kessler and And Lowry, MARKETING i think they stay.
1:23:06
Speaker 5: Put and what gets, it what gets Austin age And
1:23:12
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Speaker 2: First probably.
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Speaker 3: THREE i think three would be the right. Price do
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Speaker 3: you think anyone would give that up For?
1:23:22
Speaker 2: Lowry?
1:23:24
Speaker 5: Uh, YEAH i. DO i do think, So AND i
1:23:27
Speaker 5: think THAT i also think like they have three forward
1:23:31
Speaker 5: three like not, bigs BUT i mean guys that theoretically
1:23:34
Speaker 5: play the forward slash wing position right And hendricks, Obviously Ace,
1:23:40
Speaker 5: Bailey Cody. Williams these are all guys that theoretically play
1:23:43
Speaker 5: where he's playing right, now and then you, Know Philip
1:23:46
Speaker 5: houska know's playing a bunch Of Walker kessler's banned up and.
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Speaker 5: Done but, like these are guys that are gonna have
1:23:51
Speaker 5: to play at some. Point, no and, marketing in a weird,
1:23:55
Speaker 5: way is standing in their way if you're not trying
1:23:56
Speaker 5: to win, now WHICH i can't imagine they, Are, well.
1:23:59
Speaker 3: They're not trying to win, out BUT i think they're
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Speaker 3: finding that this group already is better than they thought
1:24:03
Speaker 3: they were going to, be and and they're they're having
1:24:06
Speaker 3: to like change the way that they've made their promises
1:24:09
Speaker 3: about deliberately. Tanking and SO i think the timeline is
1:24:13
Speaker 3: accelerated on when they think they can start. WINNING i
1:24:16
Speaker 3: don't know how. Much AND i don't know If. LOWRY i,
1:24:19
Speaker 3: mean the great debate with him has been for years.
1:24:21
Speaker 3: Now can he be your number one option on a playoff,
1:24:24
Speaker 3: team on like an actual respectable competitor of the.
1:24:28
Speaker 5: Team but they keep, them they're gonna lose their first round.
1:24:32
Speaker 3: Pick, well they could keep, him sit him, down and
1:24:37
Speaker 3: still keep the first round. Pick that's the only way
1:24:39
Speaker 3: they're gonna be.
1:24:39
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1:24:39
Speaker 5: It but, YEAH i mean top eight, protected.
1:24:42
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1:24:50
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1:24:52
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1:24:55
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Speaker 5: DOES i Think Ryan smith's already on, that isn't.
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1:25:18
Speaker 4: EVAN i can't tell you how MUCH i appreciate your
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Speaker 4: time on the show. Today love what you do early
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1:30:18
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1:30:22
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1:30:35
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1:30:38
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1:30:42
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1:30:43
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1:30:48
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1:30:51
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1:30:52
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1:31:01
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1:31:06
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1:31:09
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1:31:15
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1:31:20
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1:31:30
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1:31:39
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1:31:46
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1:31:49
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1:31:52
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1:31:56
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1:32:01
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Speaker 3: you know, what you know what this makes me think?
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Speaker 3: thing about all of it is is that probably none
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Speaker 3: of it scientifically.
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1:33:28
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1:34:01
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Speaker 3: well you're you're certainly not going to doing.
1:34:05
Speaker 4: THAT i know that you were probably watching a lot
1:34:09
Speaker 4: OF Nfl playoff this weekend and getting ready for tonight's
1:34:13
Speaker 4: college football championship. Game did you happen to take in
1:34:16
Speaker 4: The afcan final Between senegal And?
1:34:19
Speaker 3: Morocco you, KNOW i just missed. THAT i meant, Too,
1:34:24
Speaker 3: NO i did not what happened?
1:34:25
Speaker 4: There so, uh in stoppage, Time senegal ends up with
1:34:33
Speaker 4: this insane protest where they the players just walked off
1:34:36
Speaker 4: the pitch Because morocco was given a penalty kick in
1:34:41
Speaker 4: stoppage time THAT i seemingly was a very corrupt. Call
1:34:46
Speaker 4: so The senegalese players were just like we're, no we're,
1:34:49
Speaker 4: done absolutely, Not we're, not and they walked off the.
1:34:53
Speaker 3: Pitch the game is still. Happening they walked off the
1:34:56
Speaker 3: pitch in. Protest and this this is the final winner
1:35:00
Speaker 3: of this wins.
1:35:01
Speaker 2: The F Con. Cup Brahim diaz.
1:35:09
Speaker 4: Eventually takes the uh the penalty kick For morocco and
1:35:13
Speaker 4: it is saved And senegal goes on to winning this.
1:35:16
Speaker 3: One but there were. Fights there Were in, fact A senegalese.
1:35:22
Speaker 4: Backup goalie attacked one of The moroccan ball boys like
1:35:28
Speaker 4: it was an absolutely insane soccer, match and all of
1:35:32
Speaker 4: us were here watching people Play american football in the.
1:35:35
Speaker 4: Cold this might be the first Time i'm wondering if
1:35:39
Speaker 4: that was the correct. Decision, yeah oh my gosh.
1:35:45
Speaker 3: It you, know we make fun of the SEC's mantra
1:35:49
Speaker 3: all the time it just means, more but international, soccer
1:35:53
Speaker 3: it really does just mean a whole lot more than
1:35:56
Speaker 3: anything else in sports, here as much as we think
1:35:58
Speaker 3: THE nfl means more than anything compared to anything else
1:36:02
Speaker 3: in the rest of the. World like we don't do
1:36:05
Speaker 3: that IN nfl, games they do that at soccer in soccer.
1:36:10
Speaker 2: Games one of.
1:36:11
Speaker 4: The weirdest you could go find the highlights of. This
1:36:13
Speaker 4: by the, WAY i don't know. Why so the goalkeeper For.
1:36:17
Speaker 3: Senegal it was, raining and the goalkeeper For senegal has
1:36:23
Speaker 3: this blue towel that he's using to dry himself off
1:36:27
Speaker 3: and drives gloves off right and during stoppages in play
1:36:31
Speaker 3: is when he uses it while the play is, happening
1:36:34
Speaker 3: while running play is.
1:36:35
Speaker 4: Happening the backup goalkeeper is his name's yvon Diof okay
1:36:44
Speaker 4: is holding on to this towel and he's like protecting
1:36:48
Speaker 4: this towel with his. Life for some, reason The moroccan
1:36:52
Speaker 4: ball boys and everyone involved with The Moroccan federation is
1:36:56
Speaker 4: trying to steal this blue towel from him to like
1:36:59
Speaker 4: like they're resorting to physical. Violence there's like a pack
1:37:02
Speaker 4: of jackals coming after him trying to take this. Towel
1:37:06
Speaker 4: it appears to Be, james just a plain blue. TOWEL
1:37:10
Speaker 4: i don't see a logo on.
1:37:11
Speaker 3: It it must have some kind of sentimental value to
1:37:14
Speaker 3: the actual goalkeeper For, senegal but his backup is fighting
1:37:18
Speaker 3: off multiple attempts here and The moroccan The moroccan, team
1:37:25
Speaker 3: their equipment and whatever whoever it is is just trying
1:37:30
Speaker 3: to get an advantage for their, team, RIGHT.
1:37:32
Speaker 2: I have no.
1:37:32
Speaker 3: Idea why are they.
1:37:34
Speaker 2: Trying to steal his? Towel try to try to play
1:37:39
Speaker 2: without your.
1:37:40
Speaker 4: Towel maybe they were like there's something special about this.
1:37:43
Speaker 4: Towel maybe this is one of those they were, like,
1:37:45
Speaker 4: oh he's got some blood doping on the.
1:37:47
Speaker 2: TOWEL i have no.
1:37:48
Speaker 3: Idea and you, know like the pictures not that long
1:37:51
Speaker 3: ago putting pine, tar putting like lotion and pine tar
1:37:55
Speaker 3: on in their belts so that they can get more
1:37:59
Speaker 3: get a better grip and spin on the. Ball maybe
1:38:01
Speaker 3: maybe he's he's doing something that's helping him stop these
1:38:04
Speaker 3: uh these shots, better which doesn't make any, sense by.
1:38:08
Speaker 4: The, way eight seven seven three five three zero seven.
1:38:10
Speaker 4: Hundred if you know why this towel could be, special
1:38:12
Speaker 4: if there's like if there's a an equivalent in the
1:38:15
Speaker 4: slobber on it for soccer soccer goaltender soccer goalkeepers to,
1:38:21
Speaker 4: Have LIKE i don't, know if you wipe enough icy
1:38:24
Speaker 4: hot on your, face does it make you a better?
1:38:26
Speaker 2: Goalkeeper seems like that just burn your.
1:38:27
Speaker 3: Eyes if you're if you're always, uncomfortable you're gonna you're
1:38:32
Speaker 3: gonna perform, better you, know shout out To Jake peevee
1:38:36
Speaker 3: zero six two, six by the, way giving us a
1:38:39
Speaker 3: nice little update on the the pepper in the.
1:38:41
Speaker 4: Socks, Okay i've worked in healthcare over twenty. Years the
1:38:44
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1:38:47
Speaker 4: your mouth and sense heat signals to your. Brain so
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1:38:53
Speaker 4: that makes them. Spicy putting spices.
1:38:55
Speaker 3: In your socks does absolutely, nothing that's, See thank you.
1:39:00
Speaker 2: TEXTER i would have guessed what if you hold? On
1:39:03
Speaker 2: what if you have protein receptors on your foot? Skin,
1:39:07
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Speaker 2: Definitely next.
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Speaker 3: Evolution definitely, Okay and ALSO i love this our listeners helping.
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Speaker 2: Us update thirty thirty.
1:39:24
Speaker 4: Eight president OF fifa is extremely close with multiple people
1:39:27
Speaker 4: in The Moroccan Football, federation so everyone thought that from
1:39:30
Speaker 4: the get go THAT fifa Wanted morocco to. Win side,
1:39:34
Speaker 4: Note morocco was awarded The World cup in twenty Thirty oh.
1:39:39
Speaker 3: Conspiracy here's the. Thing i'm not sure what it has
1:39:43
Speaker 3: to do with the. TOWEL i think that's more for
1:39:46
Speaker 3: the illegal penalty kick the ridiculous. Call, yeah, Yeah i'm
1:39:50
Speaker 3: Glad senegal ended up. Winning Although i've never been To,
1:39:54
Speaker 3: SENEGAL i have been To.
1:39:55
Speaker 9: Morocco morocco.
1:39:56
Speaker 3: Lovely i've heard That morocco is a good. Place, yeah
1:40:00
Speaker 3: but when when WHEN i WHEN i served the mission
1:40:03
Speaker 3: in uh In, hungary it's, not it's hungry is.
1:40:07
Speaker 2: Not they're not very, close not very.
1:40:09
Speaker 3: Close but because Because europe's a lot closer to two,
1:40:15
Speaker 3: places then you it's a lot smaller than The United,
1:40:18
Speaker 3: states you'd be surprised at how close it actually. Is
1:40:21
Speaker 3: they there's a number of people who are, like, yeah
1:40:23
Speaker 3: we go To morocco all the. Time it made me
1:40:25
Speaker 3: GO i should probably check this place. Out, yeah it's.
1:40:28
Speaker 4: NICE i actually found out too when we were In
1:40:31
Speaker 4: morocco that it's like one of the primary destinations For
1:40:40
Speaker 4: europeans that are looking for like A mexican riviera type.
1:40:44
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1:40:48
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1:40:49
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1:40:51
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1:40:53
Speaker 4: jaunt for. Them they don't go To. Hawaii they don't
1:40:57
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1:41:02
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1:41:06
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1:41:09
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1:41:12
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1:41:16
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1:41:19
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1:41:23
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1:41:27
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Speaker 3: Possible but they'll just come, home they'll go to, bed
1:48:32
Speaker 3: AND i can get on the first flight home From,
1:48:34
Speaker 3: miami which is like a six am, flight gets you
1:48:36
Speaker 3: back here at like eight.
1:48:37
Speaker 2: Am what do you? Think why? Not? Yeah you know,
1:48:41
Speaker 2: What i'm gonna see IF i can make this, work.
1:48:44
Speaker 3: Well, see then then you will have the most informed
1:48:48
Speaker 3: take on what happened last night of anyone in the,
1:48:51
Speaker 3: market because if you were, there all the way up
1:48:53
Speaker 3: in the worst seat in the, building that you were
1:48:55
Speaker 3: there and on tomorrow shall come in just dog Tireds hey, man.
1:49:01
Speaker 2: It was it looked pretty cool from WHERE i was.
1:49:03
Speaker 2: At everyone.
1:49:04
Speaker 3: Was it looked like a bunch of ants fighting it
1:49:07
Speaker 3: out with each. Other you, Know i'm actually a little
1:49:09
Speaker 3: bit bothered that we're not getting WHAT i asked for
1:49:13
Speaker 3: in This National championship run.
1:49:14
Speaker 2: UP i have not seen a single.
1:49:17
Speaker 4: GRAPHIC i have not seen any proposed coin toss alterations
1:49:21
Speaker 4: where you walk out all of The miami greats from
1:49:24
Speaker 4: THE nfl versus all The indiana greats and it's like
1:49:29
Speaker 4: three hundred guys versus.
1:49:31
Speaker 2: SEVEN i haven't seen any of.
1:49:32
Speaker 3: IT i talked TO i talked to someone who works
1:49:37
Speaker 3: FOR Espn radio who happens to be In indiana.
1:49:40
Speaker 2: Grad so he's over the.
1:49:41
Speaker 3: Moon, YEAH i talked to you last week AND i
1:49:43
Speaker 3: brought up to him our joke about that that joke
1:49:48
Speaker 3: that we brought up in the, show and he laughed
1:49:50
Speaker 3: his head.
1:49:50
Speaker 2: Off SO i think it even would play well with The.
1:49:53
Speaker 4: INDIANA i think The indiana especially because they're probably going to,
1:49:56
Speaker 4: Win so that would be a really, fun little gir
1:50:00
Speaker 4: like visual for.
1:50:01
Speaker 2: Them it doesn't matter we just destroyed.
1:50:03
Speaker 4: You you have like five guys on, walkers one in a,
1:50:06
Speaker 4: wheelchair and then one of Them Rex grossman's Grandfather Antoine
1:50:12
Speaker 4: randall l like helping them all come out, there.
1:50:16
Speaker 2: And then that you.
1:50:17
Speaker 3: Win, yeah actually that makes the visual even. Better you
1:50:22
Speaker 3: Have Trent green And Antoine randall l pushing the Other
1:50:25
Speaker 3: indiana greats in their, wheelchair.
1:50:27
Speaker 2: Telling, You i'm telling you it would work. Out he.
1:50:30
Speaker 2: Did this guy did bring up.
1:50:31
Speaker 3: Too AS i was AS i brought up this, Joke he's, like,
1:50:35
Speaker 3: hey we Had Trent.
1:50:35
Speaker 2: Green, yeah that was the first.
1:50:37
Speaker 3: Thing and then he said he also told me About
1:50:40
Speaker 3: Antoine Randall LL's, exploits how incredible he was as a college.
1:50:44
Speaker 3: Quarterback SO i those two they don't compare to like
1:50:49
Speaker 3: the best Of. Miami, obviously they're No Ray lewis you
1:50:52
Speaker 3: Or Jim. Kelly but that's not anything to be embarrassed.
1:50:56
Speaker 3: About to be, like, hey at least you had those two.
1:50:58
Speaker 3: Guys it would be by the, Way i'd be asking
1:51:03
Speaker 3: for the same thing if it Was utah Versus miami
1:51:07
Speaker 3: in This National championship, game Because.
1:51:10
Speaker 2: Utah would have like an impressive little like row of.
1:51:12
Speaker 3: Dudes, yeah they'd Have Alex smith And Eric weddle for,
1:51:16
Speaker 3: sure would be.
1:51:18
Speaker 2: Trot Out Jordan. Gross let's go Get chris Kim oyatu out.
1:51:21
Speaker 2: There there's some good, ones some really solid.
1:51:24
Speaker 4: Players Cam rising even like he stands up to some pro. Bowlers,
1:51:29
Speaker 4: no you gotta do THE nfl GUYS nfl guys. Only,
1:51:31
Speaker 4: okay it'd be a couple of pro bowlers From. Utah
1:51:33
Speaker 4: Steve Smith senior would be out there, talking talking, trash,
1:51:36
Speaker 4: Right but then it's just, like you, know.
1:51:38
Speaker 3: The only problem would be if they're Playing. Miami did
1:51:41
Speaker 3: you did you Notice Steve smith When Big neon kickoff was?
1:51:45
Speaker 2: Here did The MIAMI u instead of THE u come? On.
1:51:48
Speaker 3: Steve so that's that's the old like he's gonna have
1:51:50
Speaker 3: to get someone's gonna have to make sure he has
1:51:52
Speaker 3: that straight before he walks.
1:51:53
Speaker 2: Out on the. Field if if that had happened in.
1:51:56
Speaker 4: All, SERIOUSNESS i brought this up With Evan collen when
1:51:58
Speaker 4: he joined us earlier in the. Show and we're gonna
1:52:01
Speaker 4: Have Shanjay rajah on a final little look at, this
1:52:05
Speaker 4: This National championship matchup and the thing that we do
1:52:11
Speaker 4: AND i AM i won't say guilty of, it But
1:52:14
Speaker 4: i'm prone to this. Myself IS i look At indiana
1:52:17
Speaker 4: AND i, say, Yes, indiana if they can do, it
1:52:21
Speaker 4: you can do it.
1:52:22
Speaker 2: Too AND i think that the flaw in That evan pointed.
1:52:29
Speaker 4: Out he's, like, well look they've Got Mark cuban And
1:52:31
Speaker 4: Mark cuban is a billionaire who is Not he's not
1:52:34
Speaker 4: been allowed to buy a baseball. Franchise he's already sold
1:52:38
Speaker 4: his basketball, franchise and now he's like looking for a
1:52:41
Speaker 4: new toy to play, with and his alma, Mater, indiana
1:52:44
Speaker 4: is one of.
1:52:44
Speaker 2: THOSE i don't think that's the only. Reason DO i think.
1:52:49
Speaker 4: That Kurt signetti is gonna fall off when all of
1:52:51
Speaker 4: HIS jm you guys are? Gone absolutely, not because now
1:52:56
Speaker 4: what he has, done it's college football, now more than,
1:53:00
Speaker 4: ever and perhaps more than any other, sport is the
1:53:05
Speaker 4: biggest what have you done for me lately environment you
1:53:08
Speaker 4: can find on The american sporting. Landscape what have you
1:53:13
Speaker 4: done for me lately means like what have you coach
1:53:16
Speaker 4: done for me?
1:53:17
Speaker 2: Lately in terms of offering me.
1:53:19
Speaker 4: Money also from a program, perspective these blue bloods that
1:53:25
Speaker 4: we're accustomed to showering with praise and admiration and respect
1:53:30
Speaker 4: because it's our world in the sports talk space for young,
1:53:36
Speaker 4: players some of them don't mean a dang thing.
1:53:41
Speaker 2: Like USC's accomplishments.
1:53:45
Speaker 4: In my college days in your college days to a
1:53:49
Speaker 4: lot of these guys who were born two years after,
1:53:53
Speaker 4: that they mean absolutely. NOTHING usc is a big time
1:53:58
Speaker 4: school with a lot of money that hasn't actually won
1:54:01
Speaker 4: anything in their.
1:54:02
Speaker 2: Lifetime you, know crazy that is for us to think.
1:54:07
Speaker 3: About THE usc is kind of a meh to a
1:54:10
Speaker 3: lot of these young. Guys you could you could even say,
1:54:14
Speaker 3: yeah but think of the legends they still haven't EVEN i,
1:54:17
Speaker 3: mean oh J, Simpson Marcus, allen you, Know Matt, Lioner Reggie,
1:54:21
Speaker 3: bush and those guys would be, like not like, who
1:54:24
Speaker 3: but they'd be, Like, okay, cool my dad's excited about,
1:54:27
Speaker 3: that my grandpa's excited about. That i'm, LIKE i recognize
1:54:31
Speaker 3: how exciting it is for some. People that doesn't mean
1:54:33
Speaker 3: much to.
1:54:33
Speaker 2: Me and it goes so, fast, right so, like what's
1:54:39
Speaker 2: the last? Time? Okay so.
1:54:41
Speaker 4: Remember Por Porter, gustin Big Salem hills recruit that went TO. Usc,
1:54:46
Speaker 4: yeah had a good career there at some time in
1:54:48
Speaker 4: THE nfl.
1:54:49
Speaker 3: WHATEVER i don't think lived up to the mega hype
1:54:52
Speaker 3: that he had coming as the numb one player out
1:54:53
Speaker 3: Of utah things like.
1:54:55
Speaker 2: That but a good college, player though really good college player.
1:55:00
Speaker 4: Was born in nineteen ninety, seven so he was probably
1:55:03
Speaker 4: like a kindergartener WHEN usc was last hype. Irrelevant he
1:55:08
Speaker 4: might he may have some memories of, That so he
1:55:12
Speaker 4: might have been like sitting on a couch with his
1:55:14
Speaker 4: dad watching that and been, like, OH i could play. There,
1:55:18
Speaker 4: right that reputation was still exactly what you kind of
1:55:22
Speaker 4: expected it to be when he was a fifteen and
1:55:26
Speaker 4: sixteen year.
1:55:27
Speaker 2: Old being put on the map as a.
1:55:30
Speaker 4: Recruit, right And utah AND byu were in a situation
1:55:33
Speaker 4: then WHERE usc you still were looking up AT, usc
1:55:38
Speaker 4: even though you were in their same. Conference you were
1:55:40
Speaker 4: still looking up AT usc more years than. Not, right
1:55:43
Speaker 4: you had not yet firmly established yourself as the big
1:55:47
Speaker 4: brother of THAT, usc like not the history OF, usc
1:55:51
Speaker 4: of the history right of THE. Usc right, now you
1:55:54
Speaker 4: had not consistently beat. Them you hadn't won at their, place,
1:55:58
Speaker 4: Right and so you would lose the number one recruit
1:56:01
Speaker 4: in your state to a place LIKE. Usc if you
1:56:04
Speaker 4: were From, washington that would happen To if you're From,
1:56:06
Speaker 4: oregon that would happen to. You if you were From
1:56:08
Speaker 4: utah And, arizona that would happen to. You and we've
1:56:11
Speaker 4: seen in a very short, span, right this IS i,
1:56:14
Speaker 4: mean this is ten years ago that a guy Like
1:56:16
Speaker 4: Porter gustin, Was, hey you want him to come To.
1:56:20
Speaker 2: Utah he's going to go TO usc.
1:56:21
Speaker 4: Instead in those ten, years the gap between what USC's
1:56:26
Speaker 4: reputation is and what USC's reality is has only. Widened
1:56:31
Speaker 4: And i'm USING usc as a reality because nobody here likes.
1:56:33
Speaker 4: Him but the same is true of teams that you,
1:56:38
Speaker 4: know we have looked at for a long time and
1:56:41
Speaker 4: been like, that you can't mess with you can't Beat
1:56:44
Speaker 4: oklahoma for.
1:56:45
Speaker 3: Something, Right they're declining their way back into the. Picture
1:56:50
Speaker 3: there was a time when it Was washington was like.
1:56:52
Speaker 5: That.
1:56:53
Speaker 4: Right blue bloods are still blue, bloods And i'm not
1:56:55
Speaker 4: going to pretend they aren't because their success in the
1:56:58
Speaker 4: past has begt more success and they have the funds
1:57:01
Speaker 4: to try to make that. Happen but staying relevant in
1:57:05
Speaker 4: the mind of these young guys who especially the guys
1:57:08
Speaker 4: that are like really, solid and then they, GO i
1:57:14
Speaker 4: don't know IF I i don't know.
1:57:16
Speaker 3: IF i want to stay At Weber. STATE i don't
1:57:18
Speaker 3: know IF i want to stay At Utah. STATE i
1:57:19
Speaker 3: don't know.
1:57:20
Speaker 4: IF i want to stay at The university Of utah
1:57:23
Speaker 4: WHERE i can go compete for a national. Championship my
1:57:26
Speaker 4: ego Says i'm the best at my position in the whole,
1:57:29
Speaker 4: country OR i could be IF i was in the right.
1:57:31
Speaker 3: SCENARIO i want to go there AND i want to chase.
1:57:34
Speaker 3: That indiana now has that to offer to, people so
1:57:39
Speaker 3: all of the rest of us saying, like, hey If
1:57:42
Speaker 3: indiana can do, it so can. You whatever the secret
1:57:47
Speaker 3: sauce is the magic that they have found that has
1:57:50
Speaker 3: them on the precipice of a national championship and had
1:57:53
Speaker 3: them last year undefeated for most of the.
1:57:55
Speaker 2: Year and in that, conversation.
1:57:57
Speaker 3: You, now weirdly have to be able to offer them
1:58:00
Speaker 3: that to these young, men and that is not enough
1:58:06
Speaker 3: because you also have to offer them.
1:58:08
Speaker 2: Money LIKE.
1:58:12
Speaker 4: I was Texting Jeff schwartz and our, old our old
1:58:15
Speaker 4: producers this weekend because The Darien mensa news, broke And
1:58:20
Speaker 4: jeff climbed on his intellectual high horse and, SAID i
1:58:24
Speaker 4: don't Think i've ever been as right about anything AS
1:58:26
Speaker 4: i was about being right with my predictions on what
1:58:29
Speaker 4: the transfer portal would, become because he was from the very.
1:58:32
Speaker 3: BEGINNING i was, like, dude there's no reason to leave a.
1:58:35
Speaker 3: Program if you're a, starter why would you?
1:58:38
Speaker 4: Leave and he was, like, no dudes are going to
1:58:40
Speaker 4: get paid to go, elsewhere AND i was, like, well
1:58:42
Speaker 4: why your own school is going to be paying you
1:58:45
Speaker 4: and he's going to no other schools are going to
1:58:47
Speaker 4: pay you. More and the rumor this weekend the duke
1:58:51
Speaker 4: Quarterback Darien mensa is apparently the guy That Mario cristobal
1:58:58
Speaker 4: and The miami boosters have tagged as the heir apparent
1:59:01
Speaker 4: To Carson. Beck he's the guy who's gonna take over
1:59:05
Speaker 4: Where Carson beck left. Off he's going to keep us
1:59:07
Speaker 4: in the national championship, conversation which is where we need
1:59:10
Speaker 4: to be for the rest of our. Lives he's a duke.
1:59:14
Speaker 4: Guy he's playing for the old coach from our. University
1:59:19
Speaker 4: that's Where Manny diaz now. Is now he's a. Duke
1:59:22
Speaker 4: now we're gonna steal this. Dude on the last day
1:59:25
Speaker 4: of the transfer portal being, open tampering be, damned and
1:59:29
Speaker 4: they were talking about upwards like into the ten million dollar. Range,
1:59:34
Speaker 4: NOW i think a lot of those reports are, exaggerated
1:59:38
Speaker 4: but the report for For Dante moore at seven and
1:59:43
Speaker 4: a half million is not being, refuted is not outside the.
1:59:47
Speaker 4: Realm so if You're miami and you're, saying, hey we want,
1:59:50
Speaker 4: you that's if your national championship expectations now come with
1:59:55
Speaker 4: like a seven million dollar price tag on a college
1:59:59
Speaker 4: football cour quarter, back and they grabbed this dude out
2:00:02
Speaker 4: of the transfer portal that he didn't even have any
2:00:04
Speaker 4: intention of being in That as recently As, december when
2:00:08
Speaker 4: people were, asking, hey, Man duke kind of backed their
2:00:12
Speaker 4: way into having a really great, season but aren't you
2:00:16
Speaker 4: gonna test the, waters and he was saying things, LIKE
2:00:19
Speaker 4: i wouldn't trade my experience here for. ANYTHING i have no,
2:00:22
Speaker 4: interest these are my, brothers.
2:00:24
Speaker 2: Etc.
2:00:25
Speaker 4: Etc everybody has a. Price you AND i have a.
2:00:29
Speaker 4: Price these college kids certainly have a.
2:00:31
Speaker 3: Price and if the price is also attached to the
2:00:34
Speaker 3: possibility of personal glory winning a national, championship it becomes
2:00:38
Speaker 3: that much more.
2:00:39
Speaker 4: Appealing and it's no longer a question of. Character it
2:00:43
Speaker 4: becomes a question of. Practicality even you and, me even
2:00:48
Speaker 4: the most old school person in the, world.
2:00:52
Speaker 2: Has this.
2:00:54
Speaker 4: Barrier between, character, loyalty, principle and what is practical for their.
2:01:02
Speaker 4: Life what is, Practical like all of us want to
2:01:05
Speaker 4: stand on. Integrity everyone wishes they were that.
2:01:08
Speaker 3: Person very few people can look in the face of
2:01:13
Speaker 3: the biggest paycheck they've ever seen and say, no and
2:01:17
Speaker 3: even the people who can do, that because there are some.
2:01:22
Speaker 4: Can say, no it's not about money for. ME i
2:01:24
Speaker 4: want something. Else, well what else do you? WANT i
2:01:27
Speaker 4: want the ability to. WIN i want the ability to
2:01:30
Speaker 4: be the very. Best but we can offer you that
2:01:32
Speaker 4: more Than duke can offer you. That, Okay well in that,
2:01:37
Speaker 4: CASE i can still have the. Money, yeah you can
2:01:40
Speaker 4: have the, money and you can have. That it's really
2:01:43
Speaker 4: really difficult to expect someone to say no to.
2:01:46
Speaker 3: That how funny would it have been If i'm sure
2:01:51
Speaker 3: that's how the conversation, Went but if that's exactly how
2:01:54
Speaker 3: the conversation, went how funny would it have been that mensa, goes,
2:01:57
Speaker 3: oh you mean fifth place in THE acc or we
2:02:00
Speaker 3: won THE? Acc WELL i won a, championship, yes but
2:02:02
Speaker 3: are you gonna win a national?
2:02:03
Speaker 2: Championship because you already check that. Box that's another.
2:02:06
Speaker 3: Thing it's kind of why the he who shall not
2:02:09
Speaker 3: be named thing gets a little bit, like oh dang,
2:02:11
Speaker 3: it because you can get to a point where you
2:02:15
Speaker 3: feel like you've done everything you can in a certain
2:02:17
Speaker 3: spot AND i don't know If i'm gonna be able
2:02:20
Speaker 3: to get over this.
2:02:21
Speaker 4: Hump, well what if we offered you a chance to
2:02:24
Speaker 4: get over the hump, here and we paid you more
2:02:26
Speaker 4: to do. It oh, yeah, okay it's more. Realistic you're
2:02:30
Speaker 4: gonna get over the hump. HERE i don't think you,
2:02:31
Speaker 4: are by the, Way i'll go on the, RECORD i
2:02:33
Speaker 4: don't think a national championship is gonna, happen BUT i
2:02:36
Speaker 4: think he's gonna compete for.
2:02:37
Speaker 2: HIM i definitely don't think, that because come, On.
2:02:41
Speaker 3: Michigan, no he's gonna compete for, them and he's gonna
2:02:44
Speaker 3: be closer to that than he was At.
2:02:46
Speaker 2: Utah unfortunately that is the.
2:02:48
Speaker 4: Case Eh so now you've got this world that and
2:02:53
Speaker 4: AGAIN i started With. Indiana indiana gets to say to,
2:02:58
Speaker 4: people we have the, money we have the national championship.
2:03:05
Speaker 4: Success you could be part of this thing and you
2:03:08
Speaker 4: don't have to care. That it was impossible to even
2:03:14
Speaker 4: imagine three years ago that no one would have put
2:03:18
Speaker 4: you in this. World five years, ago that you the
2:03:21
Speaker 4: number one recruit in the transfer, port or you the
2:03:23
Speaker 4: number one recruit coming out of high. School five years,
2:03:26
Speaker 4: ago never would have even opened the letter From. Indiana
2:03:29
Speaker 4: but now look Where i've got this team and you
2:03:32
Speaker 4: can be a massive part of.
2:03:33
Speaker 2: It the landscape.
2:03:36
Speaker 4: Only allows for history to, Matter like what ten percent
2:03:39
Speaker 4: you want to put a number on? It fifteen percent
2:03:42
Speaker 4: at the? Most is it cooler when you? Have you,
2:03:47
Speaker 4: know Ray lewis asked for your cell.
2:03:48
Speaker 3: Phone, Number Michael irvin is up there like talking to,
2:03:50
Speaker 3: you and you Got Andre johnson being, like, hey, man
2:03:54
Speaker 3: let me show you some.
2:03:55
Speaker 4: Stuff you want to be a great wide. Receiver let
2:03:57
Speaker 4: me show you WHAT i can. Do, like, sure that's probably, cooler.
2:04:01
Speaker 2: But, Man indiana and, This, hey if they can do,
2:04:05
Speaker 2: it why can't.
2:04:06
Speaker 3: WE I i'm looking at it and going, like, yeah,
2:04:10
Speaker 3: well why can't? You and then the unfortunate answer to
2:04:13
Speaker 3: that question is right there in your face Because indiana
2:04:16
Speaker 3: has things that you don't yet, have And Kurt signetti
2:04:21
Speaker 3: is one of, them But Mark cubans the. Other and
2:04:25
Speaker 3: being in The big ten should not be understated, either
2:04:28
Speaker 3: not even just talking about the revenue the revenue, share
2:04:31
Speaker 3: that's obviously a big, advantage but that just the spotlight
2:04:36
Speaker 3: that The Big ten has versus The big twelve is
2:04:39
Speaker 3: that cannot be understated. TOO i don't care if You're
2:04:43
Speaker 3: indiana and Not Ohio. State you're still getting if you're,
2:04:46
Speaker 3: awesome Like indiana is the this year you still get that.
2:04:50
Speaker 3: Spotlight do you Believe indiana is going to win The
2:04:57
Speaker 3: national championship?
2:04:58
Speaker 2: TONIGHT i.
2:05:00
Speaker 3: DO i don't think it's going to be particularly close
2:05:03
Speaker 3: that the way that they just Dismantled, oregon WHO i
2:05:08
Speaker 3: said going into that, GAME i think that's the defacto
2:05:12
Speaker 3: national championship. Game does like? THAT i, know different. Game
2:05:17
Speaker 3: miami's a different team Than, oregon BUT i just If
2:05:22
Speaker 3: oregon can't compete with them out of the final four
2:05:25
Speaker 3: teams they were, LEFT i don't see How miami. CAN i,
2:05:28
Speaker 3: MEAN i suppose it helps that they're it's a home
2:05:30
Speaker 3: game For, miami BUT i don't know how much that practically.
2:05:34
Speaker 3: Helps we talk about practicality versus other. Things i'm not
2:05:37
Speaker 3: sure how practical being in your home stadium helps when
2:05:41
Speaker 3: you're facing a team Like.
2:05:42
Speaker 4: Indiana, also did you see the interview That Carson beck
2:05:45
Speaker 4: did where he was, asked like tongue in, Cheeke they're,
2:05:48
Speaker 4: like what what you? Know what do you have to
2:05:49
Speaker 4: do with class? Today like laughing about the student athlete. Thing,
2:05:55
Speaker 4: Yeah and his answer, was no class. TODAY i graduated
2:05:59
Speaker 4: two years.
2:05:59
Speaker 3: Ago you're not supposed to say that out, loud BUT
2:06:06
Speaker 3: i guess that's where we. ARE i thought the rules
2:06:11
Speaker 3: That i've been aware, of you had to be in
2:06:13
Speaker 3: class in order to be eligible the the you had
2:06:17
Speaker 3: to be taking a minimum credit hours.
2:06:19
Speaker 2: Thing BUT i guess that's not true if you're.
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2:06:24
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2:06:29
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2:06:36
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2:06:39
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2:06:44
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2:06:46
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2:06:51
Speaker 3: Like i'm not taking anything crazy, hard BUT i do
2:06:53
Speaker 3: have a class.
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2:06:56
Speaker 2: you got to take basket.
2:06:57
Speaker 3: Weaving you have to have like a lot of online,
2:07:00
Speaker 3: classes probably because it works better with your with your football.
2:07:04
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2:07:06
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2:07:10
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2:07:16
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2:07:21
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2:07:25
Speaker 4: entirety of the class was you went camping in the
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Speaker 4: it was good for two, credits and to record, something
2:07:37
Speaker 4: you had to write a little paper about.
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2:07:41
Speaker 4: Awesome we had to write a paper and you had
2:07:43
Speaker 4: to present a survival, situation like outdoor survival situation to the,
2:07:49
Speaker 4: class to the. Group so it's you know, whatever forty,
2:07:52
Speaker 4: people thirty, people forty, people and the instructor was just, like,
2:07:56
Speaker 4: yeah what do you?
2:07:58
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2:08:00
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2:08:04
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2:08:06
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2:08:09
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2:08:16
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2:08:20
Speaker 4: okay he's six, five three hundred, pounds big. Dude we,
2:08:24
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2:08:27
Speaker 4: he was the, Bear, james WHEN i tell YOU i
2:08:32
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2:08:37
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2:08:41
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2:08:42
Speaker 3: Bears you gotta be a grizzly bear and you got
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2:08:48
Speaker 3: a grizzly, BEAR i just got to try to. Survive,
2:08:50
Speaker 3: okay that's. Exactly it was the greatest. Thing so your
2:08:54
Speaker 3: graduates can take those types of. Classes BUT i thought
2:08:58
Speaker 3: they had to take. Subclasses Carson beck is just, like,
2:09:01
Speaker 3: OH i don't have to take. CLASS i graduated two years.
2:09:03
Speaker 3: Ago like, scrambling we. Can we can Ding miami for
2:09:09
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2:09:12
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2:09:15
Speaker 3: just like running straight to their university, president running straight
2:09:19
Speaker 3: to that maybe it's At.
2:09:20
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2:09:24
Speaker 4: ELIGIBLE i want you to walk a notice into the
2:09:27
Speaker 4: locker room right before the game that he is not in,
2:09:30
Speaker 4: class so he's not eligible to compete in THE ncaa
2:09:33
Speaker 4: there's somebody trying to ruin this For miami Because Carson
2:09:36
Speaker 4: beck is not clever enough to know.
2:09:38
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2:09:40
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2:09:47
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2:09:55
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Speaker 3: the transfer class ranking for The university Of. Utah NOW
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2:11:58
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2:12:11
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2:12:18
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2:12:32
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Speaker 12: you talking About hugh shall not be? Now and you
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Speaker 3: tug and cheek reprimand for how much we are continuing
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Speaker 3: to talk about.
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Speaker 2: he's doing At.
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Speaker 4: Michigan and that's my immature way of keeping myself from
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Speaker 4: continuing the.
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Speaker 2: Conversation, NO i.
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Speaker 12: UNDERSTAND i just wanted to be clear that this man
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Speaker 12: who you played football for is no.
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Speaker 3: SHOW i would call him persona on. Grat it's just
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Speaker 3: he who shall not be. Named you literally will not
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Speaker 3: VOLDEMART i Know quidditch seemed like a fun.
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Speaker 9: Game, yeah, yeah well. Done it's about.
2:14:50
Speaker 2: It.
2:14:50
Speaker 9: UH i saw the First Harry potter, uhuh and that was.
2:14:54
Speaker 9: It didn't read any of the.
2:14:55
Speaker 12: Books, see my son's age didn't coincide with like the.
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Speaker 9: Madness BUT i, know LIKE.
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Speaker 2: I actually think that's.
2:15:02
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2:15:06
Speaker 2: Madness maybe he just.
2:15:08
Speaker 12: Wasn't really into it then because we saw one and
2:15:10
Speaker 12: Like Ron weasley was like, hey and And harry was,
2:15:13
Speaker 12: like oh look at the wand and then her mind
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Speaker 12: he was like, hey and that's.
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2:15:18
Speaker 9: Synopsis that's.
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2:15:20
Speaker 12: Uh Your niners did me no favors. Either rough, weekend
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Speaker 12: disgusting for The. NINERS i took The, bills, okay took
2:15:27
Speaker 12: The niners with the. POINTS i Took seattle to. Win
2:15:29
Speaker 12: And i'm not. Betting i'm just saying for the picks
2:15:31
Speaker 12: we did On, Friday niners, Points, Nope, bills we don't
2:15:36
Speaker 12: need to start with. That the only PICK i, Took
2:15:39
Speaker 12: houston with the points didn't didn't go. Well and THEN
2:15:41
Speaker 12: i took The rams and went out.
2:15:42
Speaker 2: RIGHT i The niners were the only PICK i got.
2:15:45
Speaker 3: Wrong oh good for, You, yeah which is the only
2:15:49
Speaker 3: one THAT i actually cared, About so it. Hurts but
2:15:52
Speaker 3: the rest of it went in a more entertaining way
2:15:55
Speaker 3: HOW i thought it was going to. Go, yeah two
2:15:57
Speaker 3: overtime games that played out almost according to the exact same,
2:16:01
Speaker 3: script which was kind of, cool kind of. Weird some
2:16:04
Speaker 3: referee controversy we talked about on the show a lot.
2:16:06
Speaker 2: Today what's a? Catch what's not a?
2:16:08
Speaker 4: Catch, yeah don't use freeze frames to make your. Judgments
2:16:11
Speaker 4: people watch them in real, time then watch them in slow,
2:16:15
Speaker 4: motion and then watch them imagining that there are no
2:16:18
Speaker 4: defenders in the frame at, all and just decide if
2:16:23
Speaker 4: the action of the receiver himself was enough to be
2:16:25
Speaker 4: deemed a, catch.
2:16:26
Speaker 9: Assuming you're talking about The bills gang, correct.
2:16:29
Speaker 2: Talking about the interception and all the.
2:16:30
Speaker 4: Time, yeah and also The Rams bears of a lot
2:16:35
Speaker 4: Of bears bands brought up The DeVante adams when he
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Speaker 4: was deemed down after he'd been stripped for WHAT i
2:16:43
Speaker 4: think actually should have been A bears, interception because he
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Speaker 4: was he had the ball for point zero two seconds
2:16:50
Speaker 4: and then a defender came away with. It but the
2:16:53
Speaker 4: referees in that case said, no, no, no, no he had
2:16:56
Speaker 4: possession and he's.
2:16:57
Speaker 9: Down is that A utah hockey? Sweater is that where
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Speaker 9: that is that you're?
2:17:00
Speaker 3: Wearing it's A university Of utah hockey? Sweater, yeah, huh.
2:17:03
Speaker 3: Chandsome it's. Great, yeah, yeah hockey guy over. There, yeah hockey,
2:17:07
Speaker 3: guy big time hockey.
2:17:08
Speaker 2: Guy.
2:17:09
Speaker 9: Mammoth it looked.
2:17:09
Speaker 3: Good they've the homestand has been very very kind to
2:17:13
Speaker 3: The mammoth and to The mammoth place in the playoff
2:17:15
Speaker 3: picture and the, standings and that is what we hoped
2:17:18
Speaker 3: for so very.
2:17:20
Speaker 2: Much looking forward to seeing how the rest of it
2:17:21
Speaker 2: plays out for.
2:17:22
Speaker 12: Them you're going to join us today at five to
2:17:25
Speaker 12: preview the game. Tonight but BEFORE i, say you, lose
2:17:30
Speaker 12: it's the calendar that's bugging me. Today, okay the national
2:17:33
Speaker 12: championship game. Tonight, Yeah and it feels like Like i'm
2:17:37
Speaker 12: watching a bunch of stuff this morning prepping for the
2:17:39
Speaker 12: SHOW abc. Block every SHOW i watched today was RECAPPING
2:17:44
Speaker 12: nfl playoffs correct and looking at it the conference championship
2:17:47
Speaker 12: games next.
2:17:48
Speaker 2: Week, huh it's.
2:17:49
Speaker 12: A college football national championship game and it was d
2:17:52
Speaker 12: block every SHOW i watched.
2:17:53
Speaker 9: Today that's an, Issue, sean it.
2:17:55
Speaker 4: Is AND i, think, actually you, know the calendar in
2:17:58
Speaker 4: the offseason has not been a huge part of conversation
2:18:02
Speaker 4: in like the last decade because they were trying to
2:18:04
Speaker 4: figure out all the other stuff revenue sharing and transfer
2:18:07
Speaker 4: portal and the college football playoff. Expansion AND i think
2:18:13
Speaker 4: there's a feeling that they've dialed a lot of those
2:18:16
Speaker 4: things into where you can with legality standpoint. Right, yeah
2:18:21
Speaker 4: it's a change that could be made to college football
2:18:24
Speaker 4: that no agent is going to throw a fuss. About
2:18:29
Speaker 4: end It january, First like if THE ncaa and the
2:18:35
Speaker 4: conferences want to exert the fact that they are still
2:18:38
Speaker 4: the decision. Makers this is the last place they can
2:18:41
Speaker 4: do it without it being challenged and thrown back in their.
2:18:43
Speaker 2: FACE i think they should.
2:18:45
Speaker 12: Well AND i think they're going to have to because
2:18:47
Speaker 12: the only thing that will motivate these, people excuse me
2:18:50
Speaker 12: to do, anything anything at, all is whether or not
2:18:53
Speaker 12: it hits them in the. Pocketbooks and we talked about.
2:18:57
Speaker 12: This the numbers for the semi finals were. Down they
2:19:00
Speaker 12: were down year over. Year i'm going to Guess i'll
2:19:03
Speaker 12: have to look up what the number was last. YEAR
2:19:06
Speaker 12: i bet tonight's game year over year is down fifteen,
2:19:10
Speaker 12: percent really ten to fifteen.
2:19:12
Speaker 9: PERCENT i just think people have moved. ON i think
2:19:15
Speaker 9: people have moved on in THE.
2:19:16
Speaker 12: Nfl and as we talked about last, week unless you
2:19:20
Speaker 12: are like a single degenerate with no responsibilities in life at,
2:19:24
Speaker 12: all nobody's gonna watch eight hours of football On, saturday
2:19:28
Speaker 12: eight hours of football On sunday and then come home
2:19:30
Speaker 12: and be, like.
2:19:30
Speaker 9: Hey i'm watching another four hours.
2:19:32
Speaker 12: Tonight like it's just it's too much of a time
2:19:35
Speaker 12: ask for the ancillary fans that don't have the time
2:19:38
Speaker 12: that some people do to watch all of. It and
2:19:41
Speaker 12: so if THE ncaa gets the numbers over the next
2:19:44
Speaker 12: seventy two hours and they're down ten to fifteen. Percent
2:19:47
Speaker 12: it's tens of millions of dollars in. Revenue it's the
2:19:49
Speaker 12: one thing that will motivate them to change. Anything that's probably.
2:19:53
Speaker 4: RIGHT i Guess i'm not as convinced that the ratings
2:19:55
Speaker 4: will be that down BECAUSE i think they've there's a
2:19:58
Speaker 4: decent job being done letting people, know even the casual fan,
2:20:02
Speaker 4: know If indiana can complete this, season it is the
2:20:05
Speaker 4: greatest comeback story in the history of, sport.
2:20:07
Speaker 2: And people might want to be watching.
2:20:09
Speaker 12: That, yeah we'll, SEE i wonder because the other metric
2:20:13
Speaker 12: that's interesting is eyes that are on the game at the.
2:20:16
Speaker 9: Start like If indiana goes.
2:20:18
Speaker 12: Up seventeen zero after the first you, know people are
2:20:22
Speaker 12: going to be flipping over to watch THE dvr show
2:20:24
Speaker 12: that they missed over the, Weekend like it'll be.
2:20:26
Speaker 9: INTERESTING i, mean there's.
2:20:27
Speaker 2: A New Matt damon Ben affleck On netflix right. Now,
2:20:30
Speaker 2: People i've.
2:20:31
Speaker 9: Heard about that The.
2:20:32
Speaker 2: Rip have you watched? IT i WATCHED i.
2:20:34
Speaker 4: CAN i am no longer physically capable of watching an
2:20:37
Speaker 4: entire movie in one.
2:20:38
Speaker 12: Sitting what has happened to us as a? Society nobody
2:20:41
Speaker 12: watches movies.
2:20:42
Speaker 9: Anymore, no it's.
2:20:43
Speaker 4: Because of My it's not BECAUSE i don't want. To
2:20:45
Speaker 4: it's Because i'm, tired SO i fall.
2:20:49
Speaker 2: Asleep.
2:20:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah it is such a it drives me. Insane
2:20:52
Speaker 4: it takes me one week to watch a. Movie NOW
2:20:56
Speaker 4: i can watch it about fifteen minutes at a. Time
2:20:59
Speaker 4: i'll get a half hour in on a good. Night
2:21:02
Speaker 4: so six seven sessions And i'm watching the whole. Show
2:21:05
Speaker 4: so we're talking, fatigue not.
2:21:07
Speaker 9: Focus.
2:21:07
Speaker 3: Correct you have the ability to sit down and watch the.
2:21:09
Speaker 3: TIME i still Love i'm a. CINEPHILE i still.
2:21:12
Speaker 2: Love a good.
2:21:13
Speaker 12: Movie, WELL i call them. Films it's not a big.
2:21:16
Speaker 12: Deal do you do you ever go to the movie
2:21:17
Speaker 12: theater with your lovely?
2:21:19
Speaker 2: Bride? Rarely? Rarely?
2:21:21
Speaker 9: YEAH i used to do that every. Week, MAN i don't.
2:21:23
Speaker 12: Know for, me it WAS. COVID covid killed. IT i
2:21:25
Speaker 12: haven't gone to a movie in a movie, THEATER i
2:21:27
Speaker 12: think SINCE.
2:21:27
Speaker 2: Covid.
2:21:28
Speaker 3: YEAH i mean we have young, kids so it's, like
2:21:30
Speaker 3: do you want to pay a babysitter so you can
2:21:33
Speaker 3: just sit next to your wife and watch a movie.
2:21:36
Speaker 12: Silently probably not, right and feel the tension of whether
2:21:40
Speaker 12: or not she even wants you in her life anymore type.
2:21:42
Speaker 2: STUFF i feel. Attacked that was too close to Hops.
2:21:46
Speaker 12: Pence let's just let's distract from our life and go
2:21:50
Speaker 12: sit next to each other and just silently despise each
2:21:53
Speaker 12: other while watching something on the.
2:21:55
Speaker 9: Screen oh sounds like a lovely. Life not. You i'm just,
2:21:59
Speaker 9: saying generally, Speaking.
2:22:00
Speaker 2: No that's definitely not how our life.
2:22:02
Speaker 6: Is no.
2:22:04
Speaker 2: Or, fine it's.
2:22:06
Speaker 9: Great your wife loves you very. MUCH i can tell,
2:22:08
Speaker 9: yes she. Does we good is?
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Speaker 12: She how is she with your uh the necessity for
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Speaker 12: you to tune in and watch hours of? Football she?
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Speaker 12: Does she get? It does she understand? It does she
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Speaker 12: enjoy watching with? You she likes watching? Sports, oh so
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Speaker 12: that's the. Secret and you know it's this is one
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Speaker 12: of the beauties of having.
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Speaker 3: Children you get to indoctrinate your, children not just to,
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Speaker 3: religion but to all of the things that you care
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Speaker 3: about in.
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Speaker 2: Life.
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Speaker 3: Yeah and my, daughters including my two year, old love watching.
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Speaker 9: Football nice. Work it's so. Great, yeah that's.
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Speaker 3: Big they are little angels sent from heaven THAT i
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Speaker 3: turn on a football game and they're just like ooh.
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Speaker 9: Huh.
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Speaker 12: Yeah so tonight at the O'Connell, household we'll all be
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Speaker 12: sitting together on the couch watching the college football national.
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Speaker 2: Chamir probably.
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Speaker 4: Not, actually they're gonna do like a playdate down at
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Speaker 4: the cousin's, house SO i THINK i will be eating
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Speaker 4: some microwaved, food watching by myself with my trusty Dog.
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Speaker 9: Rocky actually sounds like kind of a good.
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Speaker 2: Time i'm not a bad thing for. Me i'll.
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Speaker 9: Enjoy, well we're gonna get you out a five to,
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Speaker 9: previous so appreciate.
2:23:17
Speaker 3: That, well you'll hear more from me, later but for,
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Speaker 3: now listen to The drive And spence check.
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Speaker 4: Its thanks for listening to The sean O'Connell. Show we'll
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Speaker 4: do it again tomorrow ON espn seven hundred and ninety
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Speaker 4: two ONE.
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Speaker 2: Fm