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EPISODE 151 - 'Sex Toys, Sake & Espionage' · The Padded Cell Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna go live on Facebook, but I'm not because we haven't recorded for a little while.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_03: I just thought it'd be quite nice just for us to uh have our own little chats without having to perform to Facebook.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_03: There's no mentions of banana bread.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_02: Because my mum will murder me.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_03: I don't tend to go into detail anyway with things like that.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_03: Oh hang on, let's just bring that over a bit.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_03: So when I've been editing, there's loads of things that uh I've been noticing that would make my editing life far easier.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I've been trying to work on the while while my editing things was bumping the mic.
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  SPEAKER_03: And in fact.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_03: That's picking it up.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_02: Ah, I got you.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: See, I faffed my leg down.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_02: I've got this weird.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't even notice that was a thing until last one.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_03: Author, as long as it doesn't make noise.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't make noise, I get it.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because editing noises out.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's been a nightmare.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_03: So now I think about the point where I don't need to edit it too much afterwards.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_03: Love that.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_03: To try and get this time down.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_03: So right, are you ready to go?
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: I'm all good.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: You look damn nice today.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_03: I don't whether I've actually seen you wear pants before.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_02: I've usually I've worn shorts and skirts, but I don't think I've worn pants.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe I should have.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe it's new, glowing uncertainty.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_02: It's not looking hair today.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_02: Just made it as messy and massive as possible.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_03: I don't wear my hair up often properly, but I think it's just you look a bit different than normal.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_03: I'll take it.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_03: With your hair up and you just look dead nice and fresh.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's autumn at this point in my head, so I'm like, yeah, cool.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: This is my season now.
• 1:34
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, I'll cut this bit out.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_03: How'd you pay?
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_02: It's doing okay-ish, a little bit better, but I've got me call with the surgeon tomorrow.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_03: Have you?
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_03: Well, obviously.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_02: Tell them it hurts.
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  SPEAKER_02: Get me out.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_03: Don't pull any punches, tell them everything.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's affecting your day to day, your mental health, and get you down, your sleep, and your sex life.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_03: Throw it all in.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_03: I've been on a bloody walking stick on and off.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_02: No, I shouldn't.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_02: I absolutely shouldn't.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_03: Unfortunately, you've got to pile on with these guys.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: You do.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_02: It is the way, unfortunately.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_02: Awful.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: Me Sergean has the best name.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: Now he's Mr.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: Twist.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, isn't it Oliver?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_02: And then when I go, because you I Google me Sergeant, I was like, I need to know a little bit about who I'm let myself in for.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he likes bird watching.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_02: It says on his little NHS page.
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  SPEAKER_02: In my spare time, I like bird watching.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_02: Good for you, Mr.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_02: Twist.
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  SPEAKER_02: Very happy for you.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's just from going around town, it's a night bird watching.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_03: That kind of bird.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_03: Right then.
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  SPEAKER_03: So that's on.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_03: We're definitely on.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's on, that's on, that's on.
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  SPEAKER_03: All of our things are on.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_03: I think we can get starts up.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_03: I would say so.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, right.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_03: I've left the goat and the thing.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not going to remember the time.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I I might not.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_03: But if I happen to glance over and go, ooh.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_03: The goat needs to go by your mic as well when you're doing it.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_03: Of course.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_03: I might I just have the inclination at some point to just grab the um traffic warden and throw it and rip its limbs off.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_03: Do we?
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_03: I just love her.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_03: Every time I pick it up, I just go, It's a box, Showy, honestly.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I actually had a traffic warden, you know, um, saying, We're not all like that, you know.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: Shouldn't take offence, but she felt the need to explain that, you know, not ever not all traffic wardens are unreasonable and um she hates being hated so much.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_03: So I get it.
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  SPEAKER_03: And she said she said that she'd watched the episode when it did, because she's a fan.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: And um, and she said, When you said, I hope you've exhausted all of your employment options before you try choosing to be a traffic warden.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_03: I took a bit of offence, it upset me, and I was like, Oops.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_02: Oh but also point stands.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_03: Put your traffic warden.
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  unknown: Yeah.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_03: I get it.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, uh anyway.
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  unknown: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let's crack on, eh?
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  SPEAKER_03: Stunning, let's go.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_03: What time is it?
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_02: Because you've got to go.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_02: What time do you want to go?
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_02: Fine, don't worry about it.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_02: So I've got to go around five-ish.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, at five, so you have to be home for five.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_02: No, we can go around five.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: What time's it now?
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: It is 20 past three.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_03: Perfect.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so just so we know how much time we've got.
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  SPEAKER_03: Stunning.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I'm good.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_03: Hello, and welcome to episode 151 of the PowerSell podcast.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_03: And today I'm here with Sissy Wednesday again.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_02: I feel like it's just a big dramatic hand thing every single time.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_03: When you need to for me graphics.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: Because I notice it's always that intro with me where I'm just like, Yeah.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_02: Me again, as if you can't see me.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_02: Some people can't.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_02: That is a valid point.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_02: Some people listen on audio only, so yeah.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_02: Surprise, me again.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_03: So now we've got a little bit to tell people later on about uh audio and video, but we're not going to do that later because that's like public information gnosis.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_03: And it's not going to do that at the very beginning.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, definitely not.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_03: So before we go into all that, um, the happiest of birthdays because since the last time we recorded, it's been your birthday.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_03: It has been my birthday.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's been a very exciting time, a very eventful time.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_03: You've done loads.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_03: You're not messing.
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  SPEAKER_03: I feel like I've been living vicariously through all your events.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm exhausted.
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  SPEAKER_02: No, literally, it's been one thing after another.
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  SPEAKER_02: And you know what?
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  SPEAKER_02: I've loved it.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's been such a fun time.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and your party was pass.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_02: Party was great.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_02: My funeral for my twenties.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_03: Funeral for a twenties, probably.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_03: I had to wear black.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_03: It was great.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_03: Jim didn't wear all black, but it was dark.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it was dark enough.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's fine.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_02: Who cares?
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_03: It was a great party.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_03: It was very goth, very email.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_03: It was.
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  SPEAKER_03: And I I'm not going to say where exactly it was, but it was in a church.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's like attached to the churches.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a church hall, but it's been a church because you can tell by all the arches and that and the stage and all that.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_03: It's either been like for brownies, guides, or functional guides in there.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_03: Did you?
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  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I think they've maybe had some worship in there by the look of it with the alcoves.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_03: So Sissy Wednesday had a 30th birthday party in this church come function room thing.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_03: Goth emo, like I said before.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's the only party I've been to ever where the DJ has played only rock emo type stuff, loads of my chemical romance in there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Of course.
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  SPEAKER_03: Iron Maiden, I was like, however, the point of this is I was just chatting away here, Jim, in this thing that was a church.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_03: While the DJ is playing Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_03: Of course.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_02: Why would I not have that given the environment?
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: I was just waiting for 666 to come on.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_02: I was so close to putting the number of the beast on there.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_03: Please, please, please play this.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_02: I had Run to the Hills and I had Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_02: Number of the Beast now reminds me of the newest um 28 Years Later film.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: Have you seen it?
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_02: Refines Dancing to the Number of the Beast.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_02: The Bone Temple.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god! That's one of my favourite scenes in a film ever.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's incredible.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_02: I love him, you know.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_02: I love him.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_02: He plays a good baddie.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_02: He loves playing a baddie.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: But you know what?
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_02: In this he isn't.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: Isn't he?
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: In in the Bone Temple.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_02: Have you not seen The Bone Temple?
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so he is playing he plays Dr.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: Kelson and he is like trying to work on a cure and he's working alongside one of the Alphas.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's brilliant.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: And also the Alphas really hot.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_03: I think I've seen the previews of this, not actually watching.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_02: You'll have to watch it, it's incredible.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_02: No one went the marketing was terrible.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_02: No one went to see it.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_02: But the people who did go and see it loved it.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_03: What's the film that's out at the moment?
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_03: And it's supposedly like really basic filming, and it's all one take and it's it's pretty bad quality.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I don't know.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_03: There's loads of famous people in it, like Matt Damon and that, I think, are in it.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_03: And a few people I've known have gone to scene's absolute shit.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_03: It's supposed to like take you back to how things were filmed.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_03: Basic uh effect and stuff like that.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_03: Can't think what it's called now.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: The Odyssey was shit.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: But that's Matt Damon.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_02: It was really bad.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm a big Greek myth fan, so.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_02: Was it was it bad, bad effects?
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_02: No, the practical effects and stuff were incredible.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: It was just really, really bad as a retelling.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: As a film itself, it wasn't it felt like three and a half hours long.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_03: It might have been that actually.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: And no one could agree on how to pronounce anyone's ancient Greek name, which was more infuriating.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_02: I've got lots of beef with this film as a Greek movie.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_03: Would you argue names that are set in stone?
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_02: Quite literally.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_02: No, literally.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_02: So one of the characters is Telemachus.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_02: We had Telemachus, Telemachus, Telemachus.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: There was about 10 different variations because in fact, Robert Pattinson, I like him.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: I rate him as an actor these days outside of Twilight Era.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: He pronounced this man's name three different ways.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_02: It was infuriating.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_02: No one corrected him.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_02: No one wrecked her picking up on this though.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's what they've heard for.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: Why didn't Christopher Nolan as director sit down and say, This is how we're pronouncing the names?
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_02: Done.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_02: No, clearly not.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_02: Ten different variations.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_03: I think this is the film that people have told me about because there's been hated it.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_03: It was a long film for a start, and I was like, a bad film, it's over three hours.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and there was like bad acting and inconsistency, they were saying stuff like that.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_03: So I think it might be the same one.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_03: But I mean, watching a three-hour film anyway for most of the time.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_03: It's a bit pin.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's a big thing.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_03: When um, oh god, what was the other one that came out?
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um uh uh Oppenheimer.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh god, that was long as well.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_02: I did Barbenheimer, I did Oppenheimer, then straight into Barbie.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_02: Would you well?
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_03: I went to one of them IMAX cinemas, yeah, the widescreen and everything, and it was great.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_03: I it went fast, but I wasn't looking forward to it because I'm like sitting still for three hours.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: It's a lot.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: I never sit still.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_02: Christopher Nolan and IMAX, I've got beef with this.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: So he released, so he filmed it in IMAX, meant meant for IMAX, this Odyssey, right?
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_02: But if you went to see it in a normal cinema, you miss half of the vision, so therefore, only the people who will pay to go to IMAX in these like very specific cinemas will actually get the vision that he wanted.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's just classism, and it's fine.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's Christopher Nolan, see me with damn hands raging about it.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: Why would you do that?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_03: You don't film, it's like sabotaging your project.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_03: You know, there's lots of uh places that haven't got IMAX cinemas.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_03: So why would you reduce your possible audience down to those who've got an IMAX in the area and are prepared to pay for it?
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_03: Because they're not cheap.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's not.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_03: Why'd you do that?
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you've got a creation.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_03: You want to put it out there to as many people as possible, don't you?
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you'd think so, wouldn't you?
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_02: You just make two versions.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_02: But apparently not.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: So, anyway, there's my beef with Christopher Nolan and the Odyssey.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_02: And we're 10 minutes in.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_02: Fucking hell.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: This is gonna be a fun one.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_02: Plusie L.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: Get me in a topic I'm passionate about A.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: Plusie L.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_03: We've got to crack on, haven't we?
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna be here for like 10 years.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_03: So this is going out on the 17th of September.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_03: Which is a week after our three-year episode.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_03: How exciting.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_03: Which I'm gonna talk about um in a little bit.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and um I just can't believe where the three years have gone.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's absolutely nuts.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_03: But here we are.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_03: This is going out 17th of September.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_03: And these stores the one story uh starts on 1967 and involves American Network Television.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and it involves rock stars.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh rock stars who don't give a shit about rules, especially in the 60s.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_03: When there was less comeback as well, and red tape and snowflakes.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_03: Enlighten me.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: So on the same night, 17th of September 1967, American television basically has a little bit of a meltdown.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: And it was um all on CBS as well, network.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it involved Jim Morrison.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_03: From The Doors, and Keith Moon from The Who.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know anything about this story at all?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: You heard it at all?
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_03: No, I don't think I have.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: But I know who they are.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_03: So, first up, the doors.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, at the time they were massive.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_03: And around this time in 1967, uh, Light My Fire, I think it spent three weeks at number one in America, and everybody wanted a piece of the doors.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, very rock and roll.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_03: You can't really take rock stars far without them offending somebody or misbehaving or whatever.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's part of the MR, wasn't it?
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_03: You know?
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_03: And they wanted to be on the Ed Sullivan show, which is a big, big thing at the time.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_03: If you made it onto the Ed Sullivan show, happy days, you know.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_03: You were going places or whatever.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't just another music programme.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: And so this is a big, big, huge thing.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_03: And you'd think that they'd want to cherish the moment, maybe behave themselves a little bit, because it's a big, big thing that they've been offered, you know.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_03: You know, the Beatles had appeared on this.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_03: Beatle May had launched on the Ed Sullivan show.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Elvis was on it as well.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_03: Was he?
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Elvis was on there.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_03: It was a mainstream family show.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_03: So bad language and bad rock star behaviour may not have been uh what our family viewers would have wanted at the time.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_03: And CBS had its own standards about bad language and maybe a language that might have lent itself to bad behaviour in Jelly, drug taking and all that kind of thing.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_03: Jim Morrison doesn't really look the type to be compliant.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_03: No at all.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: And when um the um producer of the show mentioned to Ed Sullivan that there's a certain lyric in this song that we really think they should change.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: Ed Sullivan's a bit like, hmm.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_03: But bravely Ed Sullivan, 15 minutes before the doors were due to go on, went to speak to Jim Morrison and spoke to him in his dressing room.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_03: And according to Ray Manzarik, I don't know who this is, it's recollection, some dude.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_03: Sullivan told them that they looked great.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_03: You're gonna be great.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe you should smile a little bit more.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_03: But there's a lyric in Light My Fire, and it's referring to getting higher.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_03: And they said, you know, maybe you could could you change that lyric?
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_03: Because it lends itself to like drug taken and it's a family show, and we don't really, you know, want kids to hear that lyric.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: You know, remember?
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: Prime time television.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_03: So he leaves.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_03: Jim Morrison's like, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, okay.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: He shuts the door, and Jim Morrison announces, we're not changing a fucking thing.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_03: They go on eh, knowing exactly what they're gonna do.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_03: And he goes ahead and sings it as it is, and Ed Sullivan goes absolutely nuts.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_03: So the whole CBS network, all the people there go absolutely nuts.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_03: And apparently, I read this somewhere.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_03: The guitarist, uh Robbie Krieger, I think his name is, he's apparently seen smirking in the background when he actually says the word.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's like that going, hmm.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_03: It's rock and roll for you.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_03: I just love that.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, the band finishes, and uh Sullivan appears to like maintain his composure.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but the show is cuss straight away to an advert.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_03: Normally, after a band had been on, he'd go over and talk to them.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: That was great, guys.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_03: All that wend your album out.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: They didn't.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_03: They cuss it straight away to Pure in a dog food.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and apparently uh the producer was furious and could be heard screaming and shouting all over the place.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and the doors were reported told that Sullivan never wanted them back on the show, and they said, Well, it's absolutely fine, we've done it now.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_03: Fair enough, been there and done it.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_03: Happy days while it was live, incredible, so they couldn't do anything about it, and I'm assuming this is before live telly had like that seven seconds before it was yeah, brilliant.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_03: So, on the same night, CBS were not having a good time.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_03: So, elsewhere, um, the Who were gonna be on TV appearing on The Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_02: What a great name! The Smothers Brothers.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_03: The Smothers Brothers?
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: That's fun to say.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_03: And Keith Moon, if you're familiar with him, um he's just he's just a guy who likes to um smash up stuff, uh act up on stage, proper rebel, smoking as he's playing, all that kind of thing.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_03: And destroying instruments became part of their act, a big part of their act.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_03: Pete Townsended smash guitars, Keith Moon destroyed his drums and all that kind of thing.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and Moon had developed a habit of putting explosives in his drum kit.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_03: Brilliant.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_03: Usually a controlled amount, like a theatrical bang at the end from his drum kit inside.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_03: Unbelievable, but a theatrical bang.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_03: For the television performance on the Smothers Brothers show, Moon reportedly had put several times the usual amount of uh explosive into the drum.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_03: And apparently, Pete Townsend didn't know he'd done this.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oops.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: The band performed uh My Generation and they reached the final part of the song.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_03: Townsend smashed his guitar and Moon triggered the explosion.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, that's incredible! Fucking boom, basically after that.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't a little stage pyrotechnic, let's put it that way.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_03: The explosion blasted smoke right across the sess into like the producer's area, cracked the cabin.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_03: Pete Townsend's hair was singed because he was standing in front of the drum kit as it went off.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: But Keith Moon didn't say, hey, just move out the way I'm doing my explosion.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_03: No, um, and Rod Roger Daltrey apparent uh practically launched himself away from the blast because he knew it was coming, but didn't know it was gonna be so big.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_03: Keith didn't tell anybody how much he put in there.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: Oops, um, and the explosion momentarily knocked the program off her and then they got it back on air again.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, phenomenal, absolutely brilliant.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_03: So, twice in one night, um CBS had this absolute catastrophe.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: That is a bit of a nightmare, innit?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: Live on air.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely nuts, but I just love the rock and roll behaviour.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: Unbelievable.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_03: I absolutely love it.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: Right, so I am gonna move on to another little bit.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_03: I just need to find my first page.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_03: Hang on there.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_03: This is about uh something that was found in our mouths.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: So we look at our teeth every day, we brush our teeth every day.
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_03: We're told to brush our teeth every day.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_03: Why are we told to brush our teeth every day?
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_03: Because it keeps your mouth bones healthy.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_03: It keeps the plaque off your teeth and stops it from building up and rotting your teeth.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_03: You don't want to cake, basically.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_03: And you don't want Mikey breath.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_03: No either.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's not ideal.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what?
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_03: When our lads were teenagers, I went through a terrible time of getting them to brush their teeth, you know.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_03: I know it was a boy thing.
• 18:51
  unknown: Maybe.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: I don't really loved brushing my teeth.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: Me too.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: I brush my teeth for ages as well.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: Me too.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: But when they're like 13, 14, if you brush your teeth, you know.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: Go and brush your teeth, and then they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_03: I have no, you have to smell you from here, go and brush your teeth.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: Why aren't you brushing your teeth?
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_03: It takes two minutes.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: Literally.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: I just don't get boys at all.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: Anyway, why am I talking about decay and teeth and all that?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: Because 17th of September 1683.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um a scientist called Anthony Van Lewen Loyen van Hoeck.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_03: I've possibly just destroyed that.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_03: He found under a microscope what is growing on our teeth for the very first time.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_03: 1683.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_03: That's a long time ago.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: He was Dutch, obviously, um, with uh a name like that.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: And um he was the first person to look, not was it wasn't like a microscope as we'd say it now, it was a magnified glass that you'd have to hold right close.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: But he uh saw what was in our mouths for the first time.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um he was also looking at other things, um, he was looking like hair and skin, you look like skin, and you said look scaly.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he was making observations like that um and comparing different things.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: And when he said, Yeah, I think what it was, he he did this by accident, and it was like something that like he put on his teeth and his mouth.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: He'd put it down under a microscope, he saw things moving.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, which then made him um look even closer.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um so when he was what he didn't know what he was saying, but what he was saying obviously was plaque and then the build-up of tartar.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_03: Tarsar is the result of what the bacteria do to your teeth.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_03: The plaque is the process of what the bacteria are doing.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: And when he saw the plaque, he just saw millions of these tiny organisms and he called them animal animal cules.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_03: Ohes, essentially little animals because it's moving, yeah.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, um, and those accounts in uh this Royal Society's um like a what do you call it?
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_03: Like a uh a textbook around it described three sorts of animals found in the teeth.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_03: They didn't have any names for them, they didn't know that they were bacteria, they just knew they were microorganisms, but they called them animal cules.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_03: I quite like that.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_03: I do.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_03: So he was then sort of scraping people's teeth and looking at it further, and from there he then realized in a very basic form that this wasn't a good thing.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: If you've got things moving on your teeth, maybe you should try and remove them.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_03: And maybe it's these little things that are making our breath smell and our teeth go bad.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_03: He was putting two two and two together, sort of, he didn't go right light bulb moment.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_03: But he was getting there.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, okay, these wiggly things, these shouldn't be there.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: Really, really great.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_03: He started doing experiments and he found that.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: Wine vinegar destroyed the bacteria that was living on the teeth.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: How interesting.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_03: Which I didn't know.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_03: Just brush your teeth, don't you?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_03: Don't think like swigging vinegar.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: Wouldn't mind.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: I used to suck pickles as a kid, pickled onions.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_03: Love it.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely love it.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_03: I've got quite good teeth, so maybe it's down to that, you know.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so he said that um from this, yeah, he went on to look at things like uh blackheads, okay, saliva.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_03: Now, obviously, saliva carries animal cures as well.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_03: Because saliva sit in your mouth, yeah, around your teeth and everything, calluses, and he observed um skin healing and stuff like that.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, how interesting.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_03: And he investigated what people would call at the time worms in the nose.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_03: Sound terrific.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_03: But obviously, he found that they weren't actual worms.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_03: Of course they weren't.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: It was a tiny hers in the nose, and obviously sticky stuff sticking to them.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_03: And when people are breathing, they're moving, and they thought they were alive, they just didn't realise that their breath.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: So interesting.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_03: It just when you think now what we know, back to like 1683, what they didn't understand hers and the snuffs.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_03: And to this guy helped us all understand basically the mucusy stuff and the stuff that's going on in our face and in our mouth, and that was alive.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_03: It took other people to take it further, I think, and like give things names and all that.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_03: But he discovered plaque on the teeth.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_03: I said, Some little tiny tiny basic microscope.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's so cool.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: I know, yeah.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: I quite like the name animal colours.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_02: I like animal cule, but it's a bit of a mouthful, isn't it, really?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but imagine like your kid won't brush the teeth.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_02: You've got animal cules in there, get them out.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: I can see them moving.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: Why didn't I think of this when I was with teenagers when they wouldn't brush their teeth?
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_03: I shouldn't have said nothing.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: I should have gone like, Your teeth are moving.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_03: What's that moving on your teeth?
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_03: I can see something moving, you're better going brush your teeth.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_03: There's literally things moving on your teeth.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_03: There you go.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_03: So tip for everybody out there.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_03: You've got teenage boys that won't brush their teeth.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_03: Because I'm guaranteed it's boys, not girls.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_03: Just say, ooh, the site move on your teeth.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, go and brush your teeth.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, you've got things moving on your teeth.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_02: Genius.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_03: Because boys will not like that.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_02: No, they won't.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_03: That'll freak them out.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_03: So some quick fire facts for this date because they were worth a mention.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so the LP, the vinyl.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_03: I want to bring this up for our gym because he collects vinyl.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: Both going.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um originally the um 33-inch LP was developed in 1931.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but it didn't kick off straight away.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_03: It was not popular at all.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_03: It was shelved.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_03: There was a long play, I think 78 RPM, isn't it?
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um that was um the the usual format.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_03: But if people wanted to record a symphony on there, it was actually over several albums.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: I got you.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: Whereas this 33 RPM, this allowed them to record like half an hour or whatever on one side.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_03: But it just didn't go down at all very well.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_03: People were just like interesting?
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, I'm not really feeling it at all.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't until 1948, is this 1931?
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_03: So what's that?
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_03: 17 years later.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Columbia Records then launched the first 13 inch LP, and obviously it went on from there.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: But RCI essentially invented it.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's so interesting.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: But Columbia went on to press it and make it really successful.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: That is interesting.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_03: And that was on this day on the 17th of September.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_03: And this other thing, oh yeah, I'll just do this one first.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: The first conjoined twins were uh separated on the 17th of September 1953.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_03: Doctors in New Orleans, they undertook this extraordinary surgery.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_03: And 1953, it is a long time ago, but it's not.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: No, it's not in the grand scheme of the world, is it?
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_03: And these girls were joined at the ass, basically.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: The lower back and like the sacral area, so ass.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: And um the operation took roughly an hour and a half.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: Is that it?
• 26:05
  unknown: Yeah.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_02: I would have thought it would have been a much longer procedure.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_03: It was successful, but I think it was because there wasn't like major major organs.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_03: So it says here lower back and sacral region.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_03: So there might have been risks of spinal nerve damage, maybe because it says lower back.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_03: But obviously, it was done successfully.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_03: So maybe it wasn't ideas to like nerves and stuff.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_03: How angels are an hour and a half, yeah.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: So no fancy, like you know, technology by modern standards or you know, 3D modelling.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_03: That's what they do now, they do 3D models of how the whole person, people will look, yeah, would look.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, the surgical team wouldn't have been like it is now.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's yeah, because to do that successfully is really very good.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: And the last thing you might have heard of this, I don't know.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_03: 17th of September 1789.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_03: So a long time ago for this, but it was an astronomer called William Herschel.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, and he discovered there was another moon orbiting around Saturn, and they named it the Mimus.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's around 394 kilometres across, it's just not that big at all, it's only quite small, and it's composed mainly of like water and ice.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_03: And for nearly two centuries from Earth, it wasn't more than this like little tiny dot of light, but um we know that um sorry, I'm just gonna go back.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_03: There's a photographer, sorry, photographed um this mimic in 1980, and we know that there's this massive, massive crater on this thing.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow, yeah.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it was this impact that happened donkeys years ago, and the crater measures 130 meters kilometres across.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_03: So that's like a third of the diameter, and it is identical, identical to the Death Star.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_03: That's pretty cool.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_03: That is pretty cool.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna find it and I'll flash up for those on camera, but for those who are listening on audio, look this up.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_03: Just look up Sessa Sassin's Death Star or Mimus M-I-M-A-S.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_03: The crater is in is in just the right place and it's big enough to just look like the Death Star.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_03: I love Star Wars as well.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so I was like, ooh, I wonder if they've copied this.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: Star Wars came out in 1977.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, which was um before the discovery.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_03: This photograph was taken of the crater in 1980.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_03: So we knew about these this thing centuries before.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_03: What was it, 1789?
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_03: This little dot, we knew that it was there.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: It was in 1980.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_03: We photographed it with this crater, but Star Wars came out three years before.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: What are the chances?
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_02: And it looks exactly like it.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_02: What are the chances?
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_03: That's phenomenal.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_03: As a big Star Wars fan, I was like, love that.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_03: That is amazing.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_03: Love that, love that.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_03: Right, so they're my little bit done.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, before I move on, I've just got a few little things I want to say, and then we're gonna move over to you.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_03: No problem.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I need to put that in order, fucking hell.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_03: So, uh, a couple of things I want to say our t-shirts have all just gone on sale.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we've got, I don't know, about 23 designs on there, something like that.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_03: And there's a big, big discount on them.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_03: Most of them were 18 pounds, um, and most of them have gone down to 10 or 12 pounds, some have gone down to£8.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_03: And if you're a Patreon in our top tier, which is our Inner Sanctum.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: Is Inner Sanctum, isn't it?
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: I think so, yeah.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_03: Top of my head.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_03: Off the dome, it is, yeah.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, it's a proper brain fart.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: I made this thing.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: If you're in the top tier, uh, you get an extra 15% off.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: So you get a sale price and 15% off.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_03: And Patreons uh will get that discount on all of our range forever.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so if you want discounts on our stuff, head over to Patreon and you get loads and loads of extra stuff on Patreon as well.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um, there's 50 episodes of Unhinged, there's day release, there's loads of extra padded sell.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_03: We've done some ad libs.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_02: We did, we did some interviews years ago.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_03: We did interviews.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_02: Do you have access to them?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: Listen to me talk about pirates.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: We had really early interviews.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: We've done some with you, we've done one with a lady that likes her fetish.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_03: We've done one.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_03: The taxi dermi lady who did me mouse.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, we've done all sorts.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: There's loads over on Patreon, that's Patreon only.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_03: There's so much content on there.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_03: And there's a new series coming out as well called Queerly Departed.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: I can't wait.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: I'm so excited for this.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_03: Love queer history.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, and I might want you to be involved in it a little bit as well.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_03: Time you know.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_03: So loads and loads of stuff out there, loads of stuff to come as well.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and also uh there's gonna be some changes because um video takes loads of my time, which I don't mind.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: I love doing what I do, but an average video episode takes about 31 hours from beginning to end.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and you know, I don't mind spending the time, but the the videos are going to YouTube.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I've made£100 on YouTube in three years.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_03: So I've got, you know, who else would work for three years for£100?
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: You wouldn't.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and that's not on you, that's on YouTube.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: They don't write me fucking content, but they say con, con, con, con, con too much and talk about adult stuff.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_03: So, what I'm having to do, I am still gonna be on video, but I'm gonna be set taking all video episodes from October onto Patreon only.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_03: So if you go over to YouTube now, all of our old stuff will be on there.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: You'll see shorts and stuff like that on there.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: But from October, you won't see any future episodes.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_03: I might put little teasers out, but that'll be a to see the full one, you need to go onto Patreon.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: But you don't need to be in the top tier.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_03: We have several tiers.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_03: There's one called Outpatience, and I think it's two pounds a month.
• 31:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and for that, you get your episode three days advance.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_03: But from October, you'll be getting the video three days advance as well as the audio.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: So 50p an episode.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_03: Happy days.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_03: 50p an episode.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it's not a lot, but actually, you know, if a lot of you sign up, it's a lot for me and it would help me.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but for those that don't want to sign up uh and not bothered about video, it won't affect you at all because it's still gonna be on audio.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_03: As always, no changes there.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: But for those that like video, that is coming.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_03: I want to give you plenty of warning on that one.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: Exciting times.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_02: It is exciting times.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, very exciting.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_03: I'm really, really, really excited about Quilling's parts.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_03: Me too.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: I've got about 70 episodes so far.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: Phenomenal.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_02: That is so exciting.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because I don't sleep, guys.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_03: Sleeping is ads, do you know what I mean?
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_03: Right, I've got a couple things I want to show you as part of my dangly bit before we hand over to you.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_03: No problem.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: First of all, uh oh part of our merch again.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_03: Wasn't a dangly bit, but I'm gonna do the dangly bit.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_03: Hang on.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: We've got these new bags.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: So, um we sold these bags anyway, and they say dirty deeds on them.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_03: But uh, we have these croc wearing cunt designs.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'm obsessed.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's me.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_03: And doc wearing deviant.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I love them.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_03: These were on t-shirts, but I actually use these bags to put me good docks in, and I was like, oh, maybe you'd want to put your good docks in these bags.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_03: Or your good crocs.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't got any crocs.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_03: There's no such thing as good crocs.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_03: There's plenty of good crocs.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_03: So whether you're a croc lover or whether you were docks, um, these are gonna all go up in the shop.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_03: I think they're eight quid, something like that, and Patreon's 15% off.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, really nice drawstring bag.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_03: Not that I'm here to sell, wants to tell you about it.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_03: The one thing I am gonna tell you about is this thing that I was given by the Kingsters.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I did put a little teaser out uh on the socials.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: It looks like a shower head because it is a shower head, but it's also a sex toy.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's called the Aquapulse Trio.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds great.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_03: I'm just gonna hold it up for you first of all so you can see.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_03: Like my face out.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so you can see it just looks like a normal um shower head, but it says here it's got nine vibration massage modes, four powerful water spray modes, um, nine times vacuum stimulation modes.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting, it's got a clitz of it in the shower.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_03: That's unbelievable.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, obviously waterproof, and um you can use the sucker thing on its own.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_03: You haven't got to have it in the shower.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_03: Stunning.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_03: So let me show you this thing.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_03: It's a good sturdy shower head, it's just a normal shower head, yeah.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and you press your button there to release the water and all the rest of it.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_03: But it's got these little heads on the top, so it's got this one, and it just it just slides on, and then we've got a little brush one as well.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_03: There, fabulous, and it's nice and like soft for you.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, it is.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_03: So at first I was like, that looks a bit odd.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_03: I saw it in one cow my hair with when I was younger, ragging all the knots out of my hair, but it's actually nice and soft.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna ASMR.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_03: Imagine not any clit.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_03: Love it if you've got one, and then this one's got a little hole.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: Now, for the the the ladies out there who are blessed with a large cliss, it might not go in there.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I'll say no more about that one.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but basically, this just screws on to your normal uh shower hose.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_03: Uh you put your head of choice on, and you can have a normal shower and white in there.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_03: And the jets um the jets are really powerful.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_03: Now, medical person here, firing water up your fanny isn't a good idea.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_03: A little wash is fine, but you don't want to wash away all the natural flora and fauna from your fan dingo because we need that to keep it healthy.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but actually, the way this is designed, you don't have to direct this on your actual uh vagina.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_03: Because if you think about it, you're gonna hold it like that, like that.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: And the water isn't gonna be spraying on your cliff and your vagina at that time, it's just gonna be sucking away.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_03: And then if you do want to to um to fire onto your fandango, just move it down.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_03: Now, if you're somebody like me who's enjoyed times in a hot tub, not in the club, because we don't have sex in the hot tub at townhouse.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_03: No, but um, when we're in Cyprus, we had our own hot tub in the back.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_03: Stunning.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_03: And ladies, if you haven't done this, find yourself a powerful jet, face it with your fandango, and aim the jess at your clit.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_03: I delightful time.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_03: Guarantee you'll come in about 12 seconds again, though, chlorine in the water.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_03: Up your vagina, be very, very careful.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_03: But this little baby, uh, it's great because you can you can uh change the speed of the jess as well.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_03: Is it gonna be a slow jess or a dead, dead, dead fast jet so you can hammer your clit.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, or you just take it off altogether and just use it as a normal shower thing, so you just keep it in the shower.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_03: That's so clever.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_03: And then when you want a little yeah, just stick your head on and have a little a little play and then take it off again.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: So the kids don't need to know that it's like a sex toy, come shower head.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: God, they really do think of everything, don't they?
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_03: Now so I was actually really impressed with this.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_03: Now, the first time I used it, I've got to be honest, Kingsters.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry guys, they've been waiting for you to do this for a little while.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_03: I couldn't quite work out how to use it and get maximum pleasure, if you like.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because I don't really spend that long in the shower.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: So I was like, I've got to put time aside for this.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_03: So I had to do it again then when I had a bit of time.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: And then I did it again when it was one of those nights.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: You know, when you're really in the mood.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_03: And I've learned to love it.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_03: Unreal, love this for you?
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's just a little practical thing to put in the shower.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, if you've got time in the morning before you go to work or you know, the kids have gone to school, you can have a nice little time, can't you?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: So, what I will say though, the sucky thing, so suction toys, it's a myth that suction toys suck.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_03: They absolutely don't.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's air pulse, isn't it?
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's air pulse.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's like an air pulse technology.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: So if you think about the easiest way I can describe this is when you blow down a straw and then suck up again, you go, it's like that.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_03: And it does it dead, dead, dead fast.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: And so it creates like a little movement around your clit.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_03: So when your click goes in that hole, it's not sucking it at all.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_03: It's sort of um doing like a little puff in and out of air, which creates like a vibration around there.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_03: So for people who don't like ones and things that vibrate directly on the cliff could be a little bit numbing.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_03: This is good because it just goes around, it's not on.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_03: And your click just like those on the inside, pulling that face, never think.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so um, these socky toys are really, really nice.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_03: And you can it's got nine settings.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_03: So if you're a little sensitive soul, um, you can put it on a low setting.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_03: Fair enough.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_03: If you're hardcore like me, stick it on high and see it in five seconds.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_03: Love that.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_03: So there you go.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_03: So the aquapulse.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_03: You can find this on theksters.co.uk.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think it's actually unique to them.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I think it is.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_03: Don't quote me on that one, like.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but it's a thumbs up from me.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_03: I wasn't sure at first because I was like, am I gonna do this?
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_03: But no, well got into it.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's really clever.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_03: I think the thing is it's more blown for what it is than anything else.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, that is genius.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_03: I know, yeah.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_03: I mean the suction toys are great.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_03: If you haven't tried a suction toy, give it a go.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_03: They've actually got big ones for guys.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_03: Have they?
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_03: I was watching Paul the other day, I always do, and uh I was like, oh, it was just like a suction toy, but like a big end on it.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_03: This guy was just doing this, having a lovely time.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds great for it.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: Happy days.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_03: I've been watching it.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_03: I learned something new every time, come on.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_03: Guys, and also, sorry, I just want to show this because I've been here to do it for you.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_03: Doesn't go ruin me here now, but you know.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_03: So thank you, Shaz, for my gift.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh well, see, Shaz, she's always giving me little things.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_03: But she's she was introduced to the podcast not long ago.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_03: And um she loves it now, so hello.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, I think she knows that we like wacky things.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_03: So that's so cute.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's obviously Pikachu on our straight.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, you are.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: It's so good.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_03: It's so cute.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_03: That's so cool.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's not though, is it?
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you can't wear this and be cool.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you can.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_03: So to describe this for people who are not watching, this is a Pikachu hat with like it looks like arms coming down the side and inside the arms of the hands.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_03: I pause, pause.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_03: I like little um bloody things that you do this to, and at the same time, it shoots the ear on top of Pikachu up in the air.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_03: Just watch yourself on the little camera.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_03: I could do the rest of the podcast like this, but it doesn't go with me out for the thing.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_03: No, it doesn't.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_03: So fashion colour scheme.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, absolutely.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_03: So that's that is my hair now all over the place.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, it's okay.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_03: It's not too bad.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's not bad at all.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_03: Will it pass?
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_03: Right then, so that's me.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_03: I've done with it and now over to you.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_03: What have you got for us?
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: So, um, I've had a few messages since the last couple went out of people who were just like, I don't even care what you're talking about.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: I just like that you're passionate about stuff.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_02: So unfortunately for you, lot, I've really ran with that one.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and we're gonna talk about fibre arts as an act of rebellion and espionage.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: Hang on a minute.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_02: Buckle in.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: Fibre art.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_02: So like knitting, crocheting, um, bobbin lace, knell binding, espionage, buckle in.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: Have you got like knitting grannies with like bags with like wait till you end but they're spies?
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_02: Wait till you hear what they got up to.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love this.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: I love this.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: So, first of all, I wanted to lay out what each of these things are because some people don't know the difference, right?
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I have examples of things that I have made here.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um I wore these people, by the way, it doesn't know the difference.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's fine.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_02: So, first of all, Bob and Lee's is related to crochet.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, this took me six hours for anyone who can actually see what this is.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's this tiny, tiny little thing that's made with these bobbins.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: Do you want to explain what it is for those who aren't watching?
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, sorry, yeah, my bad.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so basically I spent six hours making, sorry, I know six hours making this teeny tiny little buckle.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, and it's made of lace.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: So it's lace thread.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and bobbin lace is when you get these little bobbins and you move them over each other.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_02: If you have a look at bob and lace seeing little old ladies do it who have done it their whole lives, they do it at the speed of light, and it still takes them years to make a project.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, it is unbelievable and it is so difficult.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm a very, very beginner, but we have lace.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, so that's that.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: We also have crochet.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: So this top is crochet.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just gonna pop these on here because I want to.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna call that knit because I'm just the cables look like knit.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we have crochet.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: So I have a cardigan that I've made here.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, this was all crocheted.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: This took me about a week.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_02: Uh this took two weeks because I had to do maths and I don't really have much of a brain for maths.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so this was difficult.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_02: The back is all done, but I'm not standing up to show you because I'll knock the microphone and I can't be bothered.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: So we also have knitting.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_02: Knitting is different.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: So crochet is made with a hook, knitting is done with two needles.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: So this is my second thing I ever made.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: I only finished this the other week.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it's a jumper, and this is knitted.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: So completely, if you have a look.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: So you can see there's a difference in the size of the stitches, yeah.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, there's a difference in the stitches, and basically with crochet, you've got all the stitches live on their own.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: They're attached to the stitch before it.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: With knitting, they are all live stitches.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_02: If you drop one, you are bugged and you're.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Have to try and fix that, and it's a nightmare.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_02: That's why it took me so long to get into knitting, basically.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but they both come from completely different strands, and this is what I want to talk about because it's so interesting.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_02: Knitting um comes from knull binding.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: Knull binding is 10,000 years old, and it was made using a needle, usually made from bone, and they would like basically like weave in.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's a very old form of weaving.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_02: We then get knitting um around the time of the ancient Egyptians, and we know this because they had made these beautiful cotton, intricate, knitted projects.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: We still have some of them now that are from, I'm sure it was like a lot, was it like 1000 BC or something ridiculous?
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_02: And they were intricate.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_02: So knit had been alive before that.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_03: Temperature controlled rooms or something.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: If you still got them now, they just disintegrate them.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_02: They are incredible.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: Considering it's cotton as well, you'd think it'd disintegrate, but no, we still have them now from about 1000 BC that we found.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_02: So knitting originated in Southwest Asia, North Africa.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so all that kind of area.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: So we're talking like Egypt, where we would consider the Middle East as well.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_02: So a lot of like Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, all this kind of area is where we are looking at for where knitting originated that then later came over to us in the medieval times.
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_02: So when we think of little old ladies knitting, we've been doing this for like centuries and centuries and centuries.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_02: Crochet has a different background.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_02: Crochet was the rebel one.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds like it's um European.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_02: Crochet?
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: Interestingly, it comes from a French word, but it isn't French.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: It is very, very interesting, let me tell you, uh that this is the youngest fibre art, is crochet.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_02: The absolute youngest one we have.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so originally started with our little lace weavers.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: Now, lace making um was because it takes so long and it's a bloody nightmare.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_02: It was a lot of upper class people really loved Venetian lace.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's gorgeous, it's just a nightmare.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: Have a proper look at that.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: That took six hours.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_02: I did that on Bonfire Night last year to keep the cat calm.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_02: Just ended up trying to eat me bobbins.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: Gosh, you've got the patience of a Saint Mace.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_02: It's it took a lot.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not gonna lie to you, and it was a nightmare and a half.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's a nice little job what you've done there.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's it's cute, but it was a nightmare.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so the strong, isn't it?
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_02: Lace is stronger than people think it is.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what?
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: I never really realised that.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: How strong can I start yanking at it like that?
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_03: No, go for it.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: That's really strong.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_02: It is.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_02: Lace is is naturally strong because of how it's done and how many times you pin it and faff with it and everything.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and it's a really beautiful art form, but it was for the more upper class repurchasing it.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: Then we get to the early 1800s, and we have a lady who is Madame uh Mademoiselle Riego.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_02: Sounds French?
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, British live in an island.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_02: Mademoiselle Riego.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_02: I love this woman.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_03: Riego even sound.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_02: Riego Spanish.
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I know.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_03: Riego.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: Mademoiselle in French.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_03: So she's made this shit off, surely.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_02: Mademoiselle Riego is 18 years old, and she realizes like people of the the very lower class have been learning to crochet very, very basic things.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_02: And she realizes I can make money off this.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: She writes the very first crochet book in the 1840s.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: And she's 18.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: 18 years old.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_02: With her own.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_02: And it was rebellious.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_02: Uh-huh.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: It was rebellious, right?
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and the upper class hated this because nah it's just a pathetic attempt at lace making.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_02: That's what the lower class did.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's vulgar, is how it was described at the time.
• 47:31
  SPEAKER_02: Then we get to the potato famine.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_02: And the people of Ireland obviously can't sell potatoes.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_02: There ain't any potato.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_02: They're struggling, they can't make ends meet.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_02: They're struggling to live.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's why a lot of them came over here to Liverpool.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_02: And the ones that stayed learned to crochet.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, really?
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: Irish lace crochet.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_02: That is where the money came from for the families.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_02: So they learn to crochet in the style of lace.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_02: So, I mean, from there's a lot of things that lifted them out depression, but you'd say that would be one of the things.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: It was a huge thing for them, a huge thing for the women.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_02: And it's still very traditional now that a lot of young crocheters in Ireland will learn Irish lace crochet.
• 48:06
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I love that.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_02: It is still a huge money maker now.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: Are you Irish and do you make lace?
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_02: Please do tell me.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_02: I would love because I would love to speak to Irish lace crocheters.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's a really beautiful form.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so it takes off then.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_02: And the upper class start realising, oh, I can actually just access lace much easier now because shipping it over from Venice, pain in the backside in the 1800s.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: Very expensive.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: Very, very expensive.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_02: Why would you do that?
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_02: We'll just buy it off the Irish people.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_02: Things start easing up to the point Queen Victoria goes, I like that.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_02: I'll have a go at that.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_02: Queen Victoria then starts crocheting and wearing the colour.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_03: The veil thing that she wears.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_03: Gorgeous.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um that's that's lace, isn't it?
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_03: But I've also seen a word and something when she's got this on.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_03: It looks like a crochet type thing.
• 48:53
  SPEAKER_03: She was a big fan of crocheting.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_03: There's a picture of her with the white thing, like a crochet thing on.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_02: She was a big fan of crochet to the point where after, was it the Bower War?
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_02: I've probably pronounced that wrong.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, she crocheted eight scarves to give to eight of the soldiers as medals, and she did it in this stitch.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_02: So this is what we call a granny stitch.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's basically three different stitches in the one hole, and you work your way along.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_02: And she did a scarf out at the she did eight of them, I believe.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and she gifted them as almost medals because she valued crochet so much.
• 49:26
  SPEAKER_02: But because Queen Victoria was a trendsetter, yeah, crochet went boom.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: It went from being this vulgar.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_02: Who does that?
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's a lower class thing, to now the rich people wanted to learn to crochet.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_02: So crochet grew and grew and grew over time.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_02: At this point, though, people are still knitting.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and we get to, a little bit in the future, we get to World War II.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_02: This is where crochet and knitting gets very interesting because these women are still fibre artists.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's something a lot of women took up because a lot of them were staying at home and things like that.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_02: But they were needed for wartime efforts.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_02: Well, this was very handy.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_02: Not only were they knitting jumpers, things like that, and and scarves and things for the soldiers that were going to war, they realized that if they sat by train stations and knitted, they could use different stitches to do Morse code of what they were hearing the Germans saying.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_02: So when they were communicating with the English people at train stations, they would write what they heard in stitches in the jumper, and then they could pass that on, and it was a form of espionage that was heavily used in World War II that nobody talks about.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_03: Fuck me.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_03: So they are knitting in Morse code in the stitches.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: In the stitches.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_02: So a knit in a knit stitch would mean like one thing, and they could do Morse coders, pearl would be like a dash, knit would be a dot, and they could work out what the stitches were and what they were saying exactly.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: Because you're not going to suspect this little old woman sitting knitting at a train station is gonna be a spy.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_02: What an amazing thing.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_03: So if we went to war again, we'd probably all be obliterated, to be honest, especially here.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_03: We're not by camel words, we don't stand a fucking chance here.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely not.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_03: We're spitting displaying.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_02: Camel Airs are called some buggers.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean right on the river.
• 51:05
  SPEAKER_03: Warships literally go up and down the river.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_03: You do.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_03: Where fucked?
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_03: But um, if we went to war, this could be your little side hustle.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_03: I could be a little bit spy, a knitting spy.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_02: No one would know what I was doing, so I was just knitting a jumper.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_03: You'd be a boss spy.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_02: I think so, you know.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_02: I reckon because I'm quite nosy anyway.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_02: So I could just sit there and and knit away.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm definitely not doing anything suspicious now.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm putting down exactly what you're saying and passing it over to our intelligence.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_03: But also, because you look quirky, you look too quirky to be a spy, they won't they wouldn't look at your twice.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they would.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's really interesting, but this is what these women were doing.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's amazing.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_02: How interesting.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_02: So it was an act of defiance when it came to crochet and people wearing crochet at a time when it was vulgar.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: It was a lifeline for people in the famine, and it was an act of espionage.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_02: I love fibre art.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_02: What a time.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's so interesting.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_02: Part of the reason I'm so passionate about it is the history behind it.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_02: Is that not incredible?
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_02: So, so good.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, not enough people know about that espionage bit, and I think that's amazing.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_02: You can Google it and it shows you what each stitch meant and like what letters they wear in Morse codes.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_03: I wonder if there was maybe um anything that they've intercepted or whatever because of the knitting ladies.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_03: I wonder, is that at a story somewhere?
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: Or there must be, because there was all sorts, because they were literally all of them.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_02: If they were sitting knitting, they'd just go and sit at train stations and just sit and knit.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: You'd love that.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'd have a great day.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: Sit there.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_02: That sounds like a fabulous day out.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_02: Knit and save your country.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_02: Sounds like a fabulous day out to me.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_02: Doesn't it just?
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it's I just think like credit to those women because we talk a lot about the women that work in munitions and things like that, and the men obviously who went off to save the country and stuff.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_02: We don't really recognise the people in fibre arts who did so much.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_02: Also, computers were first made based on the first early knitting machines, so we wouldn't have that without that today.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_03: Now, I don't know whether I've heard of this on oh um there's a programme called Mysteries at the Museum.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_03: You've seen it?
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_03: I've heard of it.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_03: It's about 27 series, yeah, and the costumes are terrible.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_03: Because people picked the worst costumes.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_03: I've got a feeling I've heard that.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_03: The knit that that on the museum thing.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely, because it was to do with so coding is very similar to how they used to have like these punch hole machines, and then they'd put that little bit in with the holes in, and as they knitted, it had basically processed the code of the knit, and they based the computers on that code.
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_02: So fibre arts, you've got a lot to thank us knitters and crocheters for because we've done an awful lot of goods in history.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_02: I like that you call it fibre art, fiber, it just encompasses everything from lace making to like sewing, knitting, crocheting, the whole lot, not all binding.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_03: I would have just called the textile art.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_03: Isn't that funny?
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because when I went to art college, you could specialise in your second year and go do textiles.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_03: And that was uh like screen printing and stuff like that and alternative uses of different fibres.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_03: Love that.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_03: Uh dyeing, yeah, all that kind of thing, you know, using like fibre and textiles in like installations and stuff like that.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I didn't go on to do that.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_03: Fair enough.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but it looked very interesting.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_03: But we call the textiles.
• 54:10
  unknown: Yeah.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_03: Fibre art now.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_02: Fibre art because it for a lot of people it is still very much an art form.
• 54:16
  SPEAKER_02: So there's an uh I've bought this pattern and I need to tell you about it.
• 54:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's called The Garment.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_02: The Garment.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_02: I need all of you to go and look this up immediately.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's incredible.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_02: It's by um the Instagram account is Hefton Splendor.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, fuck.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_02: Already I was in.
• 54:31
  SPEAKER_02: I saw a picture.
• 54:32
  SPEAKER_02: So there isn't armholes.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's literally made with really chunky wool.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_02: I've bought the wool for it.
• 54:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm so excited.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the neck and it goes, oh, sorry, I can only describe it as looking like a vampire art teacher outfit.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's absolutely incredible.
• 54:45
  SPEAKER_02: It's got like tassels at the bottom, but it's just it's art.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_02: It's so incredible.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_02: I had a little chat with the artist who was behind it this week.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_02: His name's Robert, and he's lovely.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but it is maybe the most bizarre thing I've ever seen, but it is art.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's not just like, oh, I'm making another jumper for myself, which is incredible if you can make your own clothes.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_02: But people do still use it as like an act of defiance and of art.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_02: So appreciation for this.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_02: I hope you all enjoyed because you did tell me, you lot at home.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_02: You told me you like that I'm passionate about stuff.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'm looking at every single camera.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not on that one.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_02: That one.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_02: You told me you like when I'm passionate.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_03: So enjoy.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, I've seen some comments about your crochet on uh on YouTube.
• 55:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, some people have brought something up on there.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_02: This is this is me made in enjoy.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_02: Not it's not heft and splendor, it's just splendor.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm thank you.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_02: I love that you make things like that.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's for all my family of fibre artists, hence this new tattoo.
• 55:42
  SPEAKER_02: They all represent someone in the family who who makes a great.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, I don't know how much you can see, but um, this is my uh crochet hook.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: I got this yesterday, so I shouldn't really be touching it.
• 55:51
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry to my tattoo artist.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but this is my crochet hook I've been using for years.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and each of these represents someone.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_02: So the yellow is my nan, the green is my auntie, the blue is my mum because she's an Evertonian up the toffies, uh, the purple is my auntie, and the pink is me.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_03: Lovely.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_03: And obviously you've got some yarn in the middle of there as well.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, to represent all of us because we all either knit or crochet or both.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: So it's a little tribute to them.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: This was my present for my birthday often.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_03: I was gonna say, it wasn't your present for your birthday.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_02: They wanted me to get something I could keep and I wouldn't lose or break.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't keep with all your tattoos as well.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_02: Is that on purpose?
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_02: Not intentional.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't know how to measure things, so I just say, oh, let's go palm size, and they all come out the same size.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_02: So I love your new tattoo.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_02: When you showed me yesterday, I was like, God, that's cute and it's just like the design.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_02: It's perfect, it's just what I wanted.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_02: So my artist is incredible.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_02: She works over in Liverpool and I love her to be.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_02: Give her a little plug as she was.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_02: Barb tattoos, Barb tattoos on Instagram.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_02: She is just amazing.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_02: We've been friends for years.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_02: We were friends before she tattooed me.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, I trust her with all of my skin.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_02: She's great.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_03: Love it, love it, love her.
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_03: Right, thank you very much for that.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_03: You're welcome.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_03: Something that I really did not know.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I love it.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_03: When just ordinary folk are making uh a little difference.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely in the espionage of it all.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_03: And the most unlikely people as well.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, completely.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_03: Who's gonna suspect a little knitter?
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_03: I know, it's crazy, isn't it?
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_02: Not me.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I will now.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_03: But I don't know whether um I don't know whether you listened to the unhinged I did on the ghost army.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_03: No, I'll be honest.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_03: I haven't so I haven't had the time.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um there's an unhinged episode, I don't know what one it was.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_03: I'll have a mooch later when I get them.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_03: Swenny, don't know.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_03: And it's about the ghost army.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_03: And um they they basically weren't a proper army, they were actors and magicians.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 57:40
  SPEAKER_03: I won't say anymore.
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_03: It's a cracking episode, it's one of my favourite ones.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_03: You'll really, really enjoy it.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_03: I can't wait.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_03: So it's just like that, you know, and people just think outside the box to you know, get around the fucking problem.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like what?
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, absolutely.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_03: Really, really good.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_03: Love it.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you very much.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_03: You're very welcome.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_03: Right, I am gonna move on to a lazy lobosomy.
• 58:00
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_03: If I can find it.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_03: I love these.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_03: Well, you might be guessing at lazy lobosomy.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_03: It depends if I can find my page.
• 58:09
  SPEAKER_03: Somewhere.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_03: Here we go, here we go.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's organised chaos always, isn't it?
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_03: Always.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I like this lazy lobosomy.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_03: I like them all, but this is just a little bit different.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_03: Dear lazy lobotomy.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a 27-year-old straight man, and I really connect, um, I really connected with a recent subject you brought up on the podcast around um gerontophilia.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 58:37
  SPEAKER_03: Gerontophilia.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_03: An attraction to someone much older.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_03: I've never told anyone and I've never dated anyone older, but I do go to swinging clubs, hence why I listen to your podcast.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and some swinging clubs have mature events on, and I'm in heaven.
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_03: I enjoy the the life and sexual experience old women bring, and for the most part, they are happy in their skin, which I find sexy and only comes with age and wisdom.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think I'll ever date someone of my age or within 20 years of my age, but my friends are all asking when I'll finally settle down, and I don't want to get into a conversation as it'll just be awkward.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_03: I would love to settle down, but afraid of what people might think.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_03: For context, when I go to clubs, I look for over 50 type events, and I am generally attracted to women 60 and over.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_03: I don't have mommy issues, assuming he's American, and I have led a pretty standard life with no drama or early influence.
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_03: Not sure what I'm asking, but I can felt can felt compelled to write to you.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks, Vic, and the team, for your openness and honesty.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_03: I never thought I'd have the confidence to say all this out loud.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_03: So thank you, Troy.
• 59:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's really lovely.
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's really lovely that you felt comfortable enough to.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't think he's he doesn't not really asking a question.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_03: He's just saying that you connected with the um torontophilia, which is an attraction to people who are a lot older than you.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_03: So not just talking like a decade or two.
• 59:56
  SPEAKER_03: We're talking, you know, two generations or more older than you.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_03: And I think he quite uh he quite nicely explains that he enjoys the life and sexual experience of older women, and also for the most part, they're happy in their own skin, which comes with age and wisdom, and he he finds that really sexy.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_03: So I think he's quite nicely explained, you know, why he has that attraction.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_03: But what he has said is friends are starting to ask, you know, when's you're gonna start settling down?
• 1:00:25
  SPEAKER_03: And he doesn't really date because he'd be dating an older person and wouldn't be able to introduce them to friends.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_03: So he's not really asking for advice on that, but I don't know whether I'd want to maybe have a little discussion around that on you know, how would I feel if one of my friends brought somebody a lot, lot, lot, lot older.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't feel anything, but I'd probably have a little chat.
• 1:00:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_03: Not in like, what the fuck are you doing?
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_03: No, but like, I'm sure they would have told me beforehand that they were older, so it wouldn't be a shock.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_03: But I'd probably have like you're the practical conversation about you know, this person's 70 and you're 30.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_03: You know, they haven't got a lot of years on on you.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_03: So are you gonna be the most of your time?
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you know, what have you got planned to make the most of your time?
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_03: How do you feel when people look at you differently?
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_03: How does your partner feel?
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_03: So I think I, as a friend, I wouldn't be um disgusted, and I certainly wouldn't give any kind of negative response.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_03: But I would, as a friend, ask the practical questions that maybe the person might have thought of, but you know what?
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you're like love is blind and all that, you're just involved, aren't you?
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_03: And you just fuck it.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_03: I don't really care about any of all of it.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but yeah, sometimes it takes somebody to just say, you know, have you thought about this?
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_03: I've thought about this with Jim because he's 10 years old.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_03: I got you.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's not a lot, but he's 61 soon, I'm 51.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, when it's 71 and 80, yeah, hopefully we get that far.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I'm like, I want to make the most of my time.
• 1:01:52
  SPEAKER_03: Of course you do.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_03: Because Jim's had 10 years, haven't they?
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, makes sense.
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_03: And so if somebody's got a massive age gap on that, that's the first thing I thought of.
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_03: I got you.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't really know what advice I would want to give you because it's so unique and I don't know your friends.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, if you've got some good friends and you do meet somebody that you genuinely care for, then I think you know, having a sensible conversation and just forewarn them and all that.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_03: Because up to now it sounds like you haven't had anything.
• 1:02:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I said you haven't settled down, there's been no serious relationships, so you haven't had to um introduce people to your friends, but there might come a time then you'll then you'll have to.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_03: And if they're any kind of friend, it's just not gonna be a problem.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's not, and a real friend will ask the questions I've just said, you know, and and and in not in a judgmental way, just you know, I'm really pleased for you.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_03: You've got less time.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_03: Have you thought about that?
• 1:02:48
  SPEAKER_03: You know, you fall head over heels in love with this person that you might only have 10 years with.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_03: My argument is I would rather have three months with somebody that I'm deeply in love with than not at all.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, maybe I'd be saying things like that as well.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_03: But I actually, you said you thank you to us, but I want to thank you actually for writing this.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_03: I love the fact that you've uh connected with one of our episodes on this um paraphilia.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I love that you give a little explanation there about why you're attracted to older people.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it wasn't seedy at all.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's just a really nice, a nice way to explain that.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely, and not everybody's gonna get it.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_03: And I always say this we don't have to understand, we just need to accept.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_03: When I have a lot of conversations about uh trans people, I've got so many trans friends.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_03: You've got loads of trans friends, so many.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_03: So many really good friends have seen them transitioning.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_03: Me too.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_03: And when people say to me, you know, I just don't understand it, or see things on Facebook, and like, I just don't get it, I don't understand it with disgust.
• 1:03:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you don't have to understand.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_03: There's load of things I don't understand.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_03: If you understood everything, I'd be a fucking genius.
• 1:04:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, me too.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_03: We're not here to understand everything, but what we are here to do is get on with our fellow man and just accept our little nuances, our little quirks, and who we're attracted to.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_03: Like Troy here.
• 1:04:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm sure Troy, you know, the people that are closest around you and that you know you you think highly of, they'll be totally fine and they'll just be happy that you're happy.
• 1:04:23
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, realistically, there's a lot of people who tell their friends that they are engaged to their chat GPT.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_02: So honestly, it's gonna be absolutely fine.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think now that we're in a world of AI girlfriends, very much so.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's more common than you'd think.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_02: So going out with another human, regardless of whether they're a lot older than you.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_03: Days and Bessie use AC.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_03: She's a real lady who you find sexy, attractive, not an AI girlfriend.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_03: She might be able to knit your jumpers.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly that.
• 1:04:53
  SPEAKER_03: She might have been involved in the experience.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 1:04:56
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_00: Good.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_03: So thanks, Troy.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_03: I really, really appreciate you writing in.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it was really a nice message to read.
• 1:05:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I am so pleased that you are living authentically.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_03: And please don't let other people um dull that sparkle.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, the fact that you you're just attracted to different people.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_03: We're all attracted to different people.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_03: Aren't we, Josh?
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_03: At the end of the day.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_03: And uh aren't we glad that we're all different?
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_03: How boring would we all be if we're all attracted to the same people and did the same things.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_03: It'd be dull as fuck, wouldn't it?
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_03: So good luck, Troy.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, I I do hope that you find the one and you do get to settle down.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_03: That'd be lovely.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're 27, you've got plenty of time to find the one.
• 1:05:36
  SPEAKER_03: How lovely.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_03: But obviously, you know, if he hasn't found the one by his 50 and he likes that age gap, you need to get on with it, don't you?
• 1:05:44
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you, eh?
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_03: Come on.
• 1:05:46
  SPEAKER_03: Because taking them up is a completely different paraphilia.
• 1:05:49
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, that is.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_03: That is quite something.
• 1:05:51
  SPEAKER_03: Not recommended.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_03: So thanks, Troy, and best of luck.
• 1:05:55
  SPEAKER_03: Best of luck.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_03: Best luck.
• 1:05:56
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what?
• 1:05:57
  SPEAKER_03: While I'm talking about fans and that, uh, it'd be lovely after.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_03: Actually, if more of you got in touch with us on the likes of YouTube and chatted with us, because I said before, people have made little comments and all that on the episodes.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_03: Some people do, uh, but not everybody does, you know, all on Facebook and all the rest, which is great.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_03: Love chat and Joe over there.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but it'd be quite nice to get some convo going actually over on YouTube, some of the older episodes if you haven't seen them and all that.
• 1:06:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because um it's just good for us to jump on and get your posts on there and talk about what you see.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm an absolute nightmare for respondents.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_02: People on my Sissy Wednesday Instagram account were just like, hello, yeah.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it's all about, especially with the My Chemical Romance stuff.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, the amount of people have jumped on that reel about My Chemical Romance.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_02: They thought they would, but yeah, the Endless Nights MCR account.
• 1:06:41
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you, whoever that was, because I've been following them for ages.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_02: Following the storyline of this tour, following them for ages because they've kept up to date with everything.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_02: It was very impressive, very excited.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, hi new friend.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_02: Hi, new friend.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_02: Hi, new friend.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's reminded me of something that I saw.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_03: I know loads of you have probably seen this.
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_03: I know you would have, because you're well into um this kind of thing, activism and stuff like that.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_03: There's a brand out there who are doing hoodies and t-shirts.
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_03: And I want to get one of the hoodies, and it's a suicide prevention brand.
• 1:07:16
  SPEAKER_03: And on the front, it says you are enough.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 1:07:19
  SPEAKER_03: And on the back, it says, Dear person behind, the world is better because you are in it.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_03: Love from the person in front of you.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_02: My mum has one of them.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_03: And it's so important.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_03: It is because um I don't know whether you would necessarily be in this sort of place I have, and I know loads of other people that have.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_03: And you get to a point you're like, I just I just can't do life anyway.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not saying like suicidal, but to the point where you're like, you can't really see beyond the problems that are in front of you.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_03: Been there, and sometimes there's days and you just like just stop the world and let me off.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I can't function right now.
• 1:07:54
  SPEAKER_03: And I don't if you said that you hadn't had a really bad day, I think you're probably fibing.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_03: And it's it's okay to say you're not okay.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_03: Of course it is, and you just don't know by wearing that hoodie and making somebody go, oh, you might have just flicked something in their brain and just stop them for a second, like wallowing in the moroseness that they feel because it's very physical when you feel something like that.
• 1:08:19
  SPEAKER_03: It is it absolutely is, and so some kind of some kind of positive affirmation on a hoodie or a t-shirt like that, it could just stop somebody doing something terrible.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_03: And so I'm gonna get one.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's only 20 quid or 22 quid or something, they're so cheap.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_03: Fabulous.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_03: The quality looks good on them as well.
• 1:08:36
  SPEAKER_03: Um, don't mind hoodies, obviously, I like t-shirts, but I think it's a great idea.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it is, it's a fantastic idea.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I work in mental health, so I see these kind of things a lot, and the the impact that these things can make is more than you could possibly realise for someone else.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know what I mean?
• 1:08:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, uh, I'm not gonna go into detail, but there's been one instance and somebody said something to me, and I was in a such a bad place last year.
• 1:08:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_03: Terrible, terrible place last year, and um somebody just said something dead simple, and they don't know to this day what that did.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_03: Completely, it just changed how I felt about myself, about the situation, everything.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_03: And it was just a few little simple words, and thank you to this day, thank you so much.
• 1:09:19
  SPEAKER_03: You just you just turned a bit handsome.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's just great, really, really great.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_03: And uh, and that person was a pod fan.
• 1:09:27
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_03: I completely stranger, it's beautiful.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_03: I had never met them, they're not a Patreon, they just watch the pod and they've followed us, and they think that they feel like friends because they insert themselves into our conversation.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_03: And this person said, I've been following you from day one, you've gone on audio, and I know you would have only done that if you couldn't physically get in the studio.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_03: And they just said something to me, and I was like wow, lovely.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's really great.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_03: So these hoodies are important.
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna get one because if it makes a difference to somebody, then we've done a good thing.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely looks boss, keep you warm.
• 1:10:00
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 1:10:01
  SPEAKER_03: So it's functional for me.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_03: It might help some help somebody else as well.
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_02: Lovely.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_03: Before we go, I'm gonna do a little fetish factoid again.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_03: If I can find it, somewhere.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_03: More of the trees I've destroyed over here.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oops.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_03: Hang on one second.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not lying, this is genuinely me being disorganized.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_03: Here we go! So fabulous.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_03: I've even got to pronounce this thing, I don't even know how to say it.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, great!
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_03: So do you know the muffin man?
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_03: The muffin man.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_03: The muffin man.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_03: And the muffin man who needs to help me say this word.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what?
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_03: Wakamazaki is.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_03: Wakamazaki.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_03: Wakamazaki.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously Japanese.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say it sounds Japanese, but Kamazaki! I do not know anywhere near enough Japanese to understand.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_02: Saki?
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:10:57
  SPEAKER_03: You know, sake is like a drink.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_03: Um wakami is edible seaweed.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_03: So wakama uh where is it?
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_03: Wakam Wakama Zaki.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah?
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_03: This is a fetish for um drinking alcohol off the breasts or the chest of a woman.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_03: The Japanese thing.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_03: And it comes from something, and I don't I just don't understand how they've got to this.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_03: It says the visual resemblance apparently comes from the way breasts sit and move around the alcohol.
• 1:11:35
  SPEAKER_03: So as the alcohol is doing that, are are the breasts move and how the alcohol moves around the breasts.
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_03: Please excuse me if I feel a bit hit right now.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_03: It says it resembles floating seaweed.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_03: I I don't get it.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_03: So you pour the liquid and you know the way it moves on your boobs, I mean, but I just I just don't get it.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_03: No, that's why it's called the that's so interesting.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_03: So it it should be drinking liquid from the cleave or around the boobs, yeah.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_03: But it's obviously developed now and people do lots of different things.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_03: Of course.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um I have actually done this.
• 1:12:13
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't call it Wakamazaki.
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_03: Um I think I might have mentioned it before, maybe on Patreon.
• 1:12:18
  SPEAKER_03: I'm not too sure.
• 1:12:20
  SPEAKER_03: But I have done this, and this is why I want to bring it up.
• 1:12:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I was every birthday I did something mad in the club, and this one year I was uh on the bar as a tequila shock bar and uh had shock gases all over me with um lines of salt and lemons on me, and people obviously had to like lick the salt, lemon, and take a shot without me moving.
• 1:12:43
  SPEAKER_03: And if I moved, the shock gases would move and I'd get tequila all over myself, and with a freshly groomed minge, it would have been really, really uncomfortable.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't move other people, just went with the shock glasses and poured it all over my minge, fuming, then got the salt and the lemon and put it down my gash.
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_03: So on the bar, naked in front of a hundred and odd people with this stuff all over me, unable to move, because if I moved, I'd spill even more of it, I'd be covered in tequila.
• 1:13:15
  SPEAKER_03: And from that day on, I've not been able to stomach tequila.
• 1:13:19
  SPEAKER_03: Understandable.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't really like it that much anyway.
• 1:13:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but the smell and the reaction of the burn on me flaps that's nightmare fuel.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_03: I will never forget the flap burn.
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, horrific.
• 1:13:31
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my god, salt, lemon, and tequila on newly groomed flaps.
• 1:13:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't envy you at all.
• 1:13:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I was on the bar and I had my legs slightly open like this, so they could put them everything down my legs.
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and then people could get between my legs to lean over.
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_03: So I had my legs over a little bit.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_03: So it was going right round with me bummole and everything.
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_03: Bloody yell.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_03: So it was like that going right into my vagina, my bumhole and everything.
• 1:13:55
  SPEAKER_03: That is nightmare fuel.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_03: Somebody said, Can I look at your vagina?
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_03: I went, no.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely not.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_03: No, everything hurts me.
• 1:14:02
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know your name.
• 1:14:05
  SPEAKER_03: Hi, Bob, go ahead.
• 1:14:09
  SPEAKER_03: Love it.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_03: So I have done that, and you know, I'm visualising this, this Wakamazaki in Japan being dead sexy with like you know, a size zero, long, dark-haired, beautiful Japanese lady, you know, who looks like statuesque and glamorous lying out on this table with you know, sake just whatever, yeah, looking dead sexy, and then there's me.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_03: I I imagine myself looking like that, and I just didn't.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_03: I just I looked like seaweed.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, ask to God.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_03: So never ever ever again will I do it because everyone took the piss by pouring that fucking stuff all over your hinge.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_03: Infuriating.
• 1:14:49
  SPEAKER_03: The other thing I did was um I've done a bit of human buffet loads, and there was one time I was on the floor with somebody else next to me, it was both of our birthdays, and they'd sprayed cream all over me, put fruits all over me, maltesas and all sorts, and people come and come over and just dine out.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_03: But I knew that there was people that wanted to dine out that I didn't want them to dine out on me.
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_03: But it's a charity.
• 1:15:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, yeah.
• 1:15:13
  SPEAKER_03: That's not ideal.
• 1:15:14
  SPEAKER_03: So people paid so much to be able to take a nibble every m every penny went to charity and I did it every year.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_03: I want to try and beat my target every year.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_03: And I always say you never take one from the team in the swinging scene.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_03: I wasn't swinging, but I was there naked and vulnerable on the floor, covered in cream and stuff, and I couldn't move.
• 1:15:32
  SPEAKER_03: So I said, Okay, I'll do it, but I won't put a blindfold on.
• 1:15:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, fairly.
• 1:15:35
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want to see who's doing this.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, just pay your money and eat what you want off me.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and Joe, some most people were like that, oh happy days.
• 1:15:43
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, you know, take that cherry, you know.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_03: Get yeah, but there's some people, and I'm like, no, but that uh you know it was charity, so I put a blindfold on.
• 1:15:52
  SPEAKER_03: But then people came up to me afterwards and told me that they'd dine out on me.
• 1:15:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the blindfold on for a reason, and and were and what they did when they were in that area.
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_02: Rate, it was traumatic.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_02: Wasn't like the blindfolds was there for a reason at all.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_03: I think they thought it was just me being sexy, you know, like sexy blindfold eat off me.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's because you didn't want to know.
• 1:16:14
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't want to see who was eating off me.
• 1:16:16
  SPEAKER_03: Don't blame you, and they just told me anyway.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_02: Great, just what you wanted.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, the stuff I've done, the stuff I've done, and uh I've I keep saying I could write a book, but I am.
• 1:16:28
  SPEAKER_03: So there you go.
• 1:16:29
  SPEAKER_03: Love it.
• 1:16:29
  SPEAKER_03: So I'd write notes for it and love it, yeah.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_03: Fabulous, you know, again, because I don't sleep.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_03: Of course, and I've got five clones in my spare room.
• 1:16:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'll introduce two of them later.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_03: Please do.
• 1:16:39
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm gonna leave it there.
• 1:16:40
  SPEAKER_03: Fabulous.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_03: I've had a fabulous time yet again.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_03: It has been a nice little catch-up.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_03: So before we do the thing, I've just I've just gotta do it.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_03: Because I haven't done it for ages.
• 1:16:58
  SPEAKER_03: I just I love it.
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Phenomenal.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's brilliant.
• 1:17:10
  SPEAKER_01: As you should.
• 1:17:11
  SPEAKER_01: As you should.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh no.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_02: Fair facts.
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_02: The ending thing.
• 1:17:26
  SPEAKER_02: If you binge watch and put the cat on, we'll see you in five.
• 1:17:29
  SPEAKER_02: If not, we'll see you next week.