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Mega Edition: Chad Daybell Trial (Part 17) (10/22/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. In
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  Speaker 1: this episode, we're getting right back to the Chad Daybell trial,
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna see what went down during day number 17.
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  Speaker 1: This article was published by eastidahonews.com, and the author of
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  Speaker 1: this article is Nate Eaton. 8.23 a.m., we are back
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  Speaker 1: in the courtroom for day 17 of Chad Daybell's trial.
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  Speaker 1: Chad's dressed in a light-colored dress shirt with a dark tie.
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  Speaker 1: He's chatting with John Pryor, his defense attorney, Madison County
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  Speaker 1: Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood will continue questioning FBI Special Agent
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  Speaker 1: Steve Daniels, a member of Evidence Response Team. 8.30 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Larry Woodcock is in the courtroom this morning. I asked
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  Speaker 1: if Kay was coming and he said today is going
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  Speaker 1: to be a hard day. I told her it's best
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  Speaker 1: if she stayed home. 8.32 a.m. The attorneys just left
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  Speaker 1: the courtroom and are meeting with Judge Stephen Boyce. 8.41 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Boyce is on the bench and the jurors have been seated.
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  Speaker 1: Lots of people in the gallery today. The spectators on
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  Speaker 1: the right side of the courtroom have been moved to
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  Speaker 1: the other side. It's likely that graphic photos will be shown. 8.43 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Wood begins by showing an overhead satellite photo of the
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  Speaker 1: tree and pond area where J.J. Vallow's body was found
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  Speaker 1: on Chad's property. 8.46 a.m. The next photo shows a
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  Speaker 1: closer look at the burial site. There is higher grass
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  Speaker 1: around the spot. and a thinning of vegetation in the
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  Speaker 1: area where J.J. 's body was found, along with a
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  Speaker 1: raised berm. 8.49 a.m. Daniels explains how the officers on
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  Speaker 1: scene removed the soil and vegetation layer by layer. Wood
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  Speaker 1: displays photos of how the area looked after these layers
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  Speaker 1: were removed. We see a picture of the large stones
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  Speaker 1: that were lined up over wood that were on top
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  Speaker 1: of J.J. 's wrapped body. 8.52 a.m. Pryor objects, and
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  Speaker 1: he asks for a sidebar. Boyce grants the objection and
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  Speaker 1: the attorneys huddle in the corner of the courtroom. 8.53 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Daniels points out that the stones were laid precisely in
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  Speaker 1: a row and you can see the tree roots around
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  Speaker 1: the rocks. Someone has taken the time to cut through
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  Speaker 1: the tree roots for the burial. Larry Woodcock is wiping
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  Speaker 1: tears from his eyes as Daniels testifies. Imagine this poor
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  Speaker 1: guy has to live through this all again. This is
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  Speaker 1: basically all the same evidence we saw and heard during
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  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow's trial. and the Woodcocks were obviously there for
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  Speaker 1: the duration of that, and now they're forced to sit
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  Speaker 1: through this shit again? That's why when this was severed,
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  Speaker 1: meaning the Lori Vallow trial and the Chad Daybell trial,
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  Speaker 1: I just shook my head. I understood why Judge Boyce
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  Speaker 1: did it, but it's very painful for the families to
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  Speaker 1: have to relive this shit time and time again. Never
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  Speaker 1: mind in their own brains, but in a courtroom setting
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  Speaker 1: like this, where these pictures are being shown, and they're
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  Speaker 1: talking about it, It has to be all bad. 8.54 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The next photo shows two wooden planks that were under
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  Speaker 1: the stones. Boyce says because of the nature of the pictures,
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  Speaker 1: they will not be shown to the public in the
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  Speaker 1: courtroom or on the live stream. Jurors will view the
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  Speaker 1: images on their monitors. 8.55 a.m. Daniels describes finding something
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  Speaker 1: wrapped in plastic. It felt like it was a human
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  Speaker 1: head or a skull inside that black plastic. You could
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  Speaker 1: tell the plastic was tied up with whatever was inside.
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  Speaker 1: Daniels cut the black plastic. and found white plastic wrapped
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  Speaker 1: around the skull. 8.57 a.m. Daniels describes the next photo
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  Speaker 1: as showing human hair coming out of the plastic. That's
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  Speaker 1: the point. We knew that these were human remains, and
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  Speaker 1: those remains were J.J. Vallow's. This became J.J. 's burial site. 8.58 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: The team continued to excavate, and Daniels describes uncovering the
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  Speaker 1: feed area of the human remains. The black plastic wrapped
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  Speaker 1: the entire body. A big piece of duct tape started
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  Speaker 1: to appear on the wrapping as crews worked to uncover
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  Speaker 1: the remains. 9 a.m. Daniels describes the next photo as
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  Speaker 1: showing more duct tape wrapped around the body of J.J. J.J.
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  Speaker 1: 's remains were found first at the property and the
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  Speaker 1: first remains that were fully excavated and provided to the
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  Speaker 1: coroner on June 9, 2020. 9.02 a.m. After the area
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  Speaker 1: was excavated, a backhoe was brought in to go deeper
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  Speaker 1: and wider just in case Tylee was buried in the
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  Speaker 1: same area. It was logical to think that they might
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  Speaker 1: have put her in the same place, Daniel says. Nothing
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  Speaker 1: else was found near JJ's remains. 9.04 a.m. Wood has
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  Speaker 1: no further questions for Daniels. Pryor will now cross-examine. 9.07 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor says he wants to go over the procedural aspects
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  Speaker 1: of Daniels' involvement in the case. He begins by asking
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  Speaker 1: about the search of Alex Cox's apartment. Daniels was an
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  Speaker 1: ERT senior team leader in the search of two apartments
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  Speaker 1: in Rexburg. He doesn't recall who was in which apartment.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks about cadaver dogs being used in the search. 9.09 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks about luminol being used on the scene. Daniel
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  Speaker 1: says that's a tool used to determine if blood was involved.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks if it was used in an apartment upstairs.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel says he doesn't recall. He would need to review
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  Speaker 1: his notes. 9.10 a.m. Pryor asks if it's unusual that
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  Speaker 1: Daniels can't remember and needs to review his notes on
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  Speaker 1: the topic. Daniels says no. He didn't know he was
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  Speaker 1: going to be asked about department searches and has done
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  Speaker 1: a lot of searches. 9.11 a.m. Pryor asks about the
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  Speaker 1: structure attached to Chad Daybell's garage. Pryor asks Daniels if
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  Speaker 1: he has any knowledge about what the second story is
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  Speaker 1: used for. He says on June 8th, there was a
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  Speaker 1: mattress and a comforter on the floor. as if someone
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  Speaker 1: had been sleeping in the room. Pryor asks Daniels if
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  Speaker 1: he knew who was residing in the residence in September
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  Speaker 1: 2019 and June 2020. Daniels says he's not aware. 9.13 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Daniels about his team staging at the Salem
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  Speaker 1: Church and how many people were there. Daniels says eight
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  Speaker 1: on his team were there, but he doesn't know a
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  Speaker 1: total amount of law enforcement officers. 9.14 a.m. Pryor asks Daniels,
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  Speaker 1: How many agencies were at the planning meeting before officers
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  Speaker 1: searched the property? Daniels doesn't recall them all, but says
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  Speaker 1: his team, other FBI employees, the Rexburg Police Department, Fremont
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  Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office, and Rob Wood were all there. 9.16 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asked Daniels who was running the meeting. Daniels doesn't remember.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asked who initiated the meeting. Daniels doesn't know but
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  Speaker 1: guesses one of the case agents put it together. 9.17 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Daniels recalls there were just over 50 law enforcement officers
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  Speaker 1: on the scene over the two days. Pryor asks if
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  Speaker 1: he's aware Wood was there. Daniels recalls seeing him but
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  Speaker 1: didn't know who Wood was at the time. 9.19 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Daniels if the large response would have drawn
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  Speaker 1: people to the scene to see what was going on.
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  Speaker 1: Daniels says maybe. Pryor asks if Daniels looked around to
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  Speaker 1: see if people were watching what they were doing. Daniels
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  Speaker 1: says no, he was busy. 9.21 a.m. Pryor asks Daniels
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  Speaker 1: if he recalls the door to the garage being open
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  Speaker 1: when the police arrived. He doesn't remember. Pryor asks the
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  Speaker 1: distance from the back of the house to the place
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  Speaker 1: where JJ was found. Daniels doesn't know the distance. 9.23 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks about the tree and irrigation pond near JJ's
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  Speaker 1: burial site. He asks if the grass in the area
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  Speaker 1: looked like it had been moved. Daniel says not recently. 9.24 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks about the theory of the prosecutors being the
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  Speaker 1: bodies were placed in the ground in September 2019. Daniel
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  Speaker 1: says he doesn't know what the theory is. Pryor asks
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  Speaker 1: about the necklace around Tylee's neck. Daniel says a charm
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  Speaker 1: was found at the site. It was observable by eye
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  Speaker 1: on the top of the ground. So I guess Alex
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  Speaker 1: Cox and his bitch-ass pal Chad Daybell Didn't do as
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  Speaker 1: good of a job trying to hide the bodies as
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  Speaker 1: they thought, huh? 9.25 a.m. Pryor asks about the backhoe.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel says the backhoe was utilized to excavate the area
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  Speaker 1: about Tylee's remains. Pryor asks if all the remains of
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  Speaker 1: Tylee removed from the gravesite. Daniel says yes. Pryor asks
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  Speaker 1: if all of the remains of JJ were removed. And
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  Speaker 1: Daniels says yes. 9.27 a.m. Pryor asks what plans were
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  Speaker 1: put in place to secure the property on the evening
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  Speaker 1: of June 9th. Police stopped working around 5 p.m. Daniel
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  Speaker 1: says local law enforcement secured the scene that evening. Nice try, Mr. Pryor,
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  Speaker 1: but nobody snuck in here, planted evidence, and framed your client.
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  Speaker 1: Nice try, but that didn't happen. 9.30 a.m. Pryor shows
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  Speaker 1: a photo of the tools in Chad's garage. He asks
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  Speaker 1: Daniels if all of the tools were confiscated. He says
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  Speaker 1: not all of them. Daniels walked by all of the
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  Speaker 1: tools and says the photo is an as-is picture of
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  Speaker 1: what things look like that day. 9.32 a.m. Pryor zooms
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  Speaker 1: in a large black-handled tool. He asks Daniels if there's
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  Speaker 1: anything that indicates there could be an issue with the tool.
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  Speaker 1: Daniels says he would need to look at the entire tool.
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  Speaker 1: There's more than just looking at a little speck on
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  Speaker 1: the handle. 9.35 a.m. Pryor shows the wide-shot photo of
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  Speaker 1: the tools laid out on the ground of the garage.
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  Speaker 1: There are tools that were seized. Pryor asks Daniels if
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  Speaker 1: he laid out the tools. Daniels says no. Someone else
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  Speaker 1: at the scene did. 9.36 a.m. Pryor asks about the
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  Speaker 1: black handle on the shovel. He zooms in and asks
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  Speaker 1: Daniels what he sees on the handle. Daniels says it's
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  Speaker 1: hard to tell what it is. It's something, right? Pryor asks.
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  Speaker 1: Daniels says he can't tell what it is. 9.38 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor shows another close-up photo of the shovel's black handle.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks if Daniels can see differences. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I'm seeing what you want me to see, Daniel says.
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  Speaker 1: I see a black shovel handle. Pryor says, fair enough. 9.40 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor shows another photo of the shovels leaned up against
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  Speaker 1: a wall in the garage. He zooms in on the
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  Speaker 1: handle of the shovel and asks if he notices anything.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel says he's still not seeing anything. 9.41 a.m. Pryor
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  Speaker 1: asks about the shovels being moved and the photos being taken.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel says the tools were moved and photos were taken,
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  Speaker 1: but he doesn't know the exact time frame. Prior asks
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  Speaker 1: if any law enforcement officers used Chad's tools when they
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  Speaker 1: were digging on the property. Daniel says no, they did not. 9.43 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Prior asks if citizens or anyone else would have had
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  Speaker 1: access to Chad's property on June 9th or 10th. Daniel
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  Speaker 1: says no. 9.44 a.m. Prior asks a question, doesn't like
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  Speaker 1: the answer, and objects to the answer. Boyce tells Pryor
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  Speaker 1: to stop interrupting him as Pryor interrupts the judge. Boyce
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  Speaker 1: tells Pryor to stop interrupting people and to ask another question.
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  Speaker 1: And this is an ongoing theme with Mr. Pryor. How
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  Speaker 1: many times has the judge admonished him now for interrupting people? 9.47 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Pryor asks about a sign on the property. Daniels describes
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  Speaker 1: two wooden posts and a dog statue. Pryor asks if
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  Speaker 1: that's how they knew this was the area of the
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  Speaker 1: pet cemetery. Daniels says the dog statue... and several depressions
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  Speaker 1: in the ground made him think that this was the
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  Speaker 1: Pet Sematary. 9.48 a.m. Pryor has no further questions. Wood
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  Speaker 1: will now have questions on redirect. 9.49 a.m. Wood follows
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  Speaker 1: up by asking about the tools that were collected. Daniels
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  Speaker 1: says they were packaged and given to the Rexburg Police Department. 9.50 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Daniels talks about the cell phone ping that got officers
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  Speaker 1: to the general quadrant of the property, but depressions in
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  Speaker 1: the ground and other factors, help lead them to the
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  Speaker 1: actual burial sites. 9.51 a.m. Wood asks about himself being
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  Speaker 1: at the planning meeting and asks Daniels if he recalls
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  Speaker 1: the two Fremont prosecutors being at the meeting. Daniels doesn't
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  Speaker 1: remember as he didn't really know people. Daniels says dog
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  Speaker 1: and cat remains were also found at the property. Wood
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  Speaker 1: has no further questions. Daniels will remain under subpoena. 9.53 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Boyce suggests we take a mid-morning recess. Back in 20
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  Speaker 1: to 30 minutes. All right, folks, we're going to break here, too.
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  Speaker 1: And in the next episode, we'll pick up where we
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  Speaker 1: left off. All of the information that goes with this
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone?
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  Speaker 1: And welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to pick up where we left off after the
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  Speaker 1: morning recess at the Chad Daybell trial. 1021 a.m. We
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  Speaker 1: are back in the courtroom. Voices on the bench and
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  Speaker 1: the jurors are being brought in. 1023 a.m. Blake asks
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  Speaker 1: Boyce if they can approach before calling the next witness.
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  Speaker 1: Attorneys huddle in the corner as white noise is played
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  Speaker 1: in the courtroom. 1027 a.m. The next witness is Melanie Pawlowski,
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  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow's niece. Lindsay Blake is questioning her. 1028 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie has dark hair and white rimmed glasses. She walks
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  Speaker 1: into the courtroom with her two attorneys, Garrett Smith and
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  Speaker 1: Joshua Garner. Funny how she needs attorneys, huh? Melanie Pawlowski
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  Speaker 1: is lucky that she's not on trial. In my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: she's very, very lucky that she's not on trial here
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  Speaker 1: with Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell. Now, do I think
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  Speaker 1: that she was involved in like the planning stages of
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  Speaker 1: killing those kids? I don't. But I think that she
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  Speaker 1: knew a lot more than she let on. She was
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  Speaker 1: part of that inner circle. She knew what was going on.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're wondering why she's accompanied by two lawyers,
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  Speaker 1: that's the reason. 10.30 a.m. Melanie says she was close
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  Speaker 1: with Lori. She met Chad in 2018. Melanie would send
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  Speaker 1: messages to Chad through Lori asking for guidance and advice.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says she developed a close relationship with Chad and
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  Speaker 1: began referring to him as dad. Melanie recalls Chad and
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  Speaker 1: Lori sharing with her teachings about light and dark. 10.32 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says the idea about light and dark came from Chad.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says Chad said he had a gift to spiritually
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  Speaker 1: discern and he could see light and dark and if
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  Speaker 1: a person had good intentions. Melanie recalls Chad used a
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  Speaker 1: necklace pendant pendulum that he would use to get answers.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie makes a swinging motion with her hand. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it's funny. I kind of do the same thing with
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  Speaker 1: my Italian horn. I just wave it around in the air,
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  Speaker 1: and suddenly, like magic, Chicken Parm appears. And you wonder
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  Speaker 1: why I call this do-this-do-not. Talk about ridiculous. Let me
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  Speaker 1: get my little pendulum out, let me swing it around
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  Speaker 1: a little bit, and then let me make up some
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  Speaker 1: bullshit-ass story. 10.33 a.m. From what Melanie was told, Chad
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  Speaker 1: didn't always need his pendulum, but it was something extra
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  Speaker 1: he could use. Melanie recalls learning about casting. You raise
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  Speaker 1: your right hand and you cast out a dark spirit
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  Speaker 1: or demon. Chad and Lori explained how to cast spirits out.
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  Speaker 1: So Mr. Religion over here and his little posse of
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  Speaker 1: weirdos were actually engaging in witchcraft, huh? Okay, well, makes
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  Speaker 1: sense considering. 10.36 a.m. Melanie learned at some point that
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  Speaker 1: JJ was affected by some type of darkness. She also
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  Speaker 1: learned that Chad labeled Tylee as dark. Melanie assumes Chad
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  Speaker 1: labeled JJ as dark. Now, right when you hear about
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  Speaker 1: these kids being labeled as dark, isn't that where you
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  Speaker 1: stop and take pause and say this all must be bullshit?
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  Speaker 1: Not if you're Melanie, though. Just keep rolling with it, huh?
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  Speaker 1: And she would have kept rolling with it if Lori
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  Speaker 1: and Chad never got busted or were never in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: Do you really think they would have made an issue
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  Speaker 1: of all of this? Or would have they went to
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  Speaker 1: Chad to get some more blessings? You know, this Melanie
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  Speaker 1: lady still believes all this stuff. She didn't just wake
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  Speaker 1: up one morning and decide that all of this is fake.
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  Speaker 1: She might be faking the funk, but I highly doubt
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  Speaker 1: that she doesn't believe this stuff anymore. 10.38 a.m. Blake
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  Speaker 1: asked Melanie if she knows where the idea of castings originated.
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  Speaker 1: From what I remember, their teachings and ideas were constantly changing,
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  Speaker 1: but I believe the original idea came from Julie Rowe
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  Speaker 1: podcast where she would teach how to cast out. Melanie says,
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  Speaker 1: Melanie says Chad and Lori then added their own ideas
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  Speaker 1: to it. In other words, they just made it all up.
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  Speaker 1: They went and added their own little garnish to the
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  Speaker 1: side of this dish and everything came out proper. Don't
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  Speaker 1: you have to use like a spell or something? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I guess not if you're Chad Daybell. I mean, what's next?
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  Speaker 1: We're going to hear about Chad Daybell going into some
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  Speaker 1: cave somewhere and then having a vision like Muhammad. 10.38 a.m.
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  Speaker 1: Blake asks Melanie if she knows Tylee. Melanie says yes.
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  Speaker 1: Tylee is her cousin. The last time she saw Tylee
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  Speaker 1: is when Tylee was packing her items preparing to move
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  Speaker 1: from Arizona to Idaho. JJ was also Melanie's cousin. So
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  Speaker 1: not just a friend, not just a friend of the family,
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  Speaker 1: but actual blood. And you didn't step up to help
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  Speaker 1: these kids when somebody was talking about their dark? Really?
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  Speaker 1: 1039 AM. Melanie learned about the death of Charles from
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  Speaker 1: Adam Cox, her uncle. Adam says Charles had been murdered.
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  Speaker 1: Melanie remembers going to see Lori. Lori and Tylee explained Alex.
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  Speaker 1: got into a fight with Charles, and Alex shot Charles.
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  Speaker 1: And it was all planned. That was all part of
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  Speaker 1: the scheme. And during that documentary that they made about
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow that was on Netflix, there was like a
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  Speaker 1: whole thing with Charles Vallow and Alex Cox having a
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  Speaker 1: conversation about Alex coming to help him out, this, that,
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  Speaker 1: the other thing. And really the plan was for Alex
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  Speaker 1: to come to Arizona and kill Charles Vallow. That was
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  Speaker 1: the plan. And you see it all unfold in that
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  Speaker 1: Netflix documentary. So if you haven't watched that yet and
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: you're into this story, I highly suggest you go back
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  Speaker 1: and check it out. 10.41 a.m. Blake asked Melanie if
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  Speaker 1: she ever spoke to Alex about Charles' death. She said
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Alex told her Charles became angry, they got into a fight,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: a baseball bat was involved, and then Alex ended up
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: shooting Charles. 10.42 a.m. Blake asked Melanie if she ever
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: asked Lori why she was moving to Rexburg. Melanie says
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Lori was telling everyone different things and needed to be protected.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Lori said she was going into hiding. Lori took Tylee
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: and JJ to Rexburg. Alex helped them move and also
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: moved himself. Yeah, Mr. Jamie Lannister over here trying to
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: dig in his sister's guts. I don't think it could
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: be stressed enough about how disgusting Alex Cox was. Bro
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: was a straight up animal. Out here trying to murder
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Brandon Boudreaux. And in my opinion, there's no doubt that
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: it was Alex Cox. who carried out the orders of
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell to kill those kids. So
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I find it very unfortunate that Alex Cox is not
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: alive to face justice. If anyone deserved to be sitting
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: in a courtroom, that son of a bitch is at
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: the top of the list. 10.43 a.m. Melanie visited Lori
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: in Rexburg at the end of September 2019 and stayed
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: at her aunt's apartment. JJ and Tylee were not there.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Melanie Gibb and David Warwick were not there. Melanie asked
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Lori where Tylee was. Melanie says she got a few
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: different answers, but one she recalls was Tylee was with
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: a friend doing her own thing at college. 10.45 a.m.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Melanie asked about JJ. Lori said she had hired a
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: nanny who was taking care of JJ. Melanie doesn't remember
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: seeing Chad during her visit. In October, Melanie went with
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: Lori to Hawaii. Before the Hawaii trip, they went to Missouri.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Tylee and JJ were not with them. Melanie asked Lori
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: where they were. Lori says the nanny was helping with
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: JJ and Tylee and they didn't need a babysitter. She
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: was being independent. Melanie says Tylee could have also been
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: helping with JJ. Oh, I'm sure that's exactly what was happening. 10.46 a.m.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori was never on the phone with JJ
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: or Tylee. When they went to Hawaii, JJ and Tylee
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: were not there. Melanie heard Lori on the phone, but
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Lori used headphones. So Melanie never knew who Lori was
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: talking to. Melanie says she thought she knew the nature
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: of Chad and Lori's relationship, but now she has different ideas.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I'm sure now is when you've had your revelation, right? Oh,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: now I know that Chad's evil. You didn't realize that
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: when he was calling little kids zombies and saying they
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: were dark? 10.48 a.m. Melanie says Lori gave her messages
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: from Chad. Blake asks if something happened in Idaho while
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Melanie was in Hawaii. Melanie says yes. Tammy Daybell passed away.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Melanie says Lori seemed to be in a state of shock.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Lori went back to Idaho. Melanie stayed in Hawaii. Alex
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: was supposed to go with them on the trip to Hawaii,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: but Chad... had something he needed help with. Oh, I'm
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: sure he did. What do you think Chad needed help with, folks? Helicopters, volcanoes,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: for everyone involved. 10.50 a.m. Blake asks about the church
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of the firstborn. Melanie says Chad was meant to be
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a leader in the church, and Chad and Lori were
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: supposed to help with the second coming of Jesus Christ.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Melanie would ask Chad if someone was dark or light.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: She eventually learned a different term for people who were possessed. Zombies.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Lori introduced the term to her. Imagine waiting around for
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell to be your shepherd to lead you into
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: a new world. I'd rather die in whatever sort of
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: plague or war or whatever is coming than spend one
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: single minute with any of these people. I'd rather be
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: in the direct path of the comet or the asteroid
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: or whatever than one single second in a room with
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: any of these brain-dead weirdos. 10.51 a.m. Melanie says she
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: was taught there was some type of darkness that could
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: be cast out and Lord would take the person because
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the darkness was too much. 10.52 a.m. Blake asks where
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the idea of the body having to die if it
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: became too dark came from. Melanie says she believes it
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: came from Chad. Chad and Lori told Melanie that law
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: enforcement was corrupt and that they were after them. They
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: said the police could not be trusted. and told Melanie
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: not to speak with law enforcement. 10.53 a.m. Melanie says
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori told her Rexburg detective, Ray Hermosillo, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Rexburg detective, Dave Hope, were dark. Melanie moved to Rexburg
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the first week of November 2019. She was living there
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: in December 2019. After the kids were declared missing, Chad
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: told Melanie that Madison County was not safe and that
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: she needed to move away. 10.55 a.m. Melanie says Lori
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: and Alex had a playful, fun sibling relationship and would
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: help each other out. Alex would help Lori if she
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: needed his help. Alex admired Chad and looked up to
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: him like a brother, Melanie says. I believe Alex had
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: enough trust in Chad that he would listen to him,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Melanie says. 10.57 a.m. When police were looking for the children,
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Melanie says Alex seemed calm and normal. Melanie says Chad
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: reached out to her and said Brandon Boudreau, her ex-husband,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: was following her and put a tracking device on her car.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: That turned out to be true, and Melanie says it
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: validated a lot of what Chad was saying. Nice try, Melanie,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: with your justification, but there's nothing going on here that
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: justifies the fact that you didn't step up to help
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: these kids. 10.58 a.m. Blake has no further questions. Pryor
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: will now cross-examine. 10.59 a.m. Pryor asks about Lori going
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: to Hawaii in November of 2019. Melanie says Lori went
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: for 7-10 days. Pryor asks if Melanie recalls Lori leaving
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: for a longer period of time during 2019-2020 to Hawaii.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Melanie isn't sure how long Lori went. 11 a.m. Melanie
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: was living in Gilbert, Arizona in 2018. She lived about
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: 10-12 minutes from Lori. Pryor asks Melanie about Melanie Gibb.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: They met toward the end of 2018-2020. Melanie attended a
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Preparing the People event in 2018 where Chad spoke. Like
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: you didn't realize then that dude was a moron? 11.02 a.m.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Prior asked Melanie to explain Preparing the People. She says
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: she didn't know much about it, but Chad was speaking
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: and there was mostly LDS-based ideas about the second coming.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: How to prepare for the end times. 11.03 a.m. Melanie
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: says some of the ideas at the conference were LDS-based.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks if the conference were inconsistent with the LDS church.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Melanie says, not that she saw. Pryor asks about Seven Gatherers.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Melanie says it doesn't ring a bell, and she was
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: never part of a group called the Seven Gatherers. This
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: lady still tries to make excuses for her dumbass beliefs. Sorry,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not convinced by Melanie Boudreaux. 11.04 a.m. Pryor asks
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: if the vast majority of information Melanie received about Chad
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: came from Lori. Melanie says that's correct. Pryor asks about
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Lori moving to Idaho. And if Melanie was aware Lori
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: had talked about moving in with Melanie Gibb. Melanie is
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: not aware of that information. 11.06 a.m. Pryor asks about
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: light and dark being in the LDS faith. It does
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: talk about light and dark in the scriptures, Melanie says.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Melanie if she ever spoke directly to Chad
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: about Tylee and JJ. Melanie doesn't know if she did. 11.07 a.m.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Prior asked Melanie about Julie Rowe. Melanie says she has
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: never met Julie but believes she had podcasts that spoke
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: about spiritual beliefs. Melanie never participated in Gibbs' podcasts. Prior
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: asks about castings and if it was part of her
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: LDS faith. Melanie says it talks about castings in the
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: scriptures but she wasn't familiar with it. 11.08am. Prior asks
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Melanie what energy work means. Melanie says she isn't too
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: familiar on it. But people who do energy works do
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: something similar to a reading. Certain connections to ancestors. He
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: asks about vibrations. Melanie says in energy work, you can
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: be on a higher level or a lower vibration or frequency. 11.10 a.m.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: Prior asked Melanie if she's participated in energy work with
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Gibb or Lori. Melanie says she listened to the ideas. 11.11 a.m.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Melanie says Gibb told her that she went to camps
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: to teach people about energy work. 11.12 a.m. Pryor asks
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: about zombies and if all the information she learned about
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: zombies came from Lori. Melanie says she assumes it came
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: from Chad. She can't remember if Chad used the term
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: zombie in front of her. 11.14 a.m. Pryor asks if
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: there was anything unusual with the relationship of Alex and Lori.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Melanie says not that she observed. Pryor asks if Alex
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: lived with Lori in Arizona. Melanie says for a time.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Melanie doesn't know if Alex wanted to go to Hawaii
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: when Lori moved. Alex did move with Lori to Rexburg. 11.15 a.m.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Prior as nothing further, Blake will now conduct redirect. She
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: asks if Chad and Lori taught her these things. I
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: believe that the ideas were from both of them. 11.16 a.m.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Melanie says Chad and Lori would use scriptures as a
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: basis and then elaborate there as far as light and dark, etc., 11.17 a.m.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Blake asks if Melanie has ever heard teachings about zombies
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: in the LDS faith. Melanie says no. Blake asks if
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Lori and Chad lived together in Arizona. Melanie says they
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: had separate apartments. 11.18 a.m. Pryor asks for a sidebar.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: White noise is played in the courtroom. 11.20 a.m. Sidebar
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: is over. Blake asks about the light and dark. Melanie
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: asks Lori to get the answers from Chad. Blake asks
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: if she learned if Charles was designated as dark. He was.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Blake asks if JJ and Tylee were designated as dark.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: They were. None of them are still alive. Blake has
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: no further questions. 11.22 a.m. Next witness is Ian Pawlowski,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Melanie's husband. 11.25 a.m. Blake is questioning Ian. She asks
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: how Ian knows Lori, Alex, and Chad. Ian met Lori
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: and Chad on on November 23rd or 24th, 2019. They
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: met in person at Lori's Rexburg apartment. Ian met Alex
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Cox the night Ian and Melanie got married, November 30th, 2019. 11.26 a.m.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: Ian met with Chad and Lori on Zoom to ask
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: for their blessing in marrying Melanie. Melanie looked to them
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: as parents. Ian asked for their blessing and they approved
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: of her marrying Melanie. Chad and Lori also gave Ian
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: a religious blessing. They talked about shielding me with light,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: removing dark weapons from me, Ian says. The blessing was
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: on Zoom and not in person. He says it was
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: very unorthodox. 11.28 a.m. Ian never met JJ or Tylee.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: During the Zoom call, Ian was at his sister's home
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: in Arizona. He did not know where Chad and Lori were.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Ian told Melanie the blessing was odd, and Melanie shared
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: some of her religious beliefs with him prior to their marriage,
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: but the bulk of it was the night they got married.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Ian was originally open to some of the ideas, but
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: on their wedding night, things changed. 11.30 a.m. Melanie shared
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: things the night of their marriage that caused him concerns.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: The next morning, Ian's daughter thought it would be funny
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to play hide-and-seek. His daughter would not answer him for
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: five minutes, and it was quiet. He eventually found her.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: He was concerned for JJ and Tylee, and also concerned
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: for his two children and his ex-wife. 11.31 a.m. Ian
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: went to law enforcement. On December 4th or 5th, 2019,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: they asked if he would record conversations for them. He
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: said he would. Chad and Lori told Ian that specific
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: detectives were possessed. Ian recorded the conversation. on December 6th, 7th,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: and 8th. There was a later call with Lori and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Chad where Ian learned Alex had died. 11.33 a.m. Ian
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: had an apartment across the street from Melanie in Rexburg
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: in December of 2019. When they got married, he moved
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: into Melanie's apartment. Chad told Ian that he and Melanie
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: should leave as soon as possible to get away from
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: law enforcement. 1134 a.m. Blake moves to admit the secret
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: recordings Ian made while on his honeymoon with Melanie in
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Jackson Hole. 1136 a.m. These recordings have never been played
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: publicly before today. 1137 a.m. Blake says there are 87
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: minutes of recordings, but we will only hear portions today.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: 1138 a.m. During the first portion, Ian says we hear
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Alex and Zulema talking about Dave not buying anything. Ian
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: says Gibb and David were going to step away because
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: things were getting hot. A female says Raphael, referencing Chad.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Lori and Chad then join the call and Melanie is sobbing.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Ian says Melanie was relieved to hear their voice. Chad
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: and Lori would call in and then disappear for days
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: or a week at a time. Ian did not know
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: where Chad and Lori were during this time. 11.43 a.m.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Blake plays another portion of the call. We hear Melanie
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: talking about emotional attacks. Ian says they were not physical attacks,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: but spiritual attacks from Satan. Ian had not heard of
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: these types of attacks before. He had met Melanie. Well,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: that's because there's no such thing. Talk about a bunch
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: of made-up hooey. Might as well run around and tell
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: yourself that you're a dragon rider and your last name's Targaryen. 11.45 a.m.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Another portion of the recording is played. Melanie talks about
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Lieutenant Ball bringing her banana bread, and she was worried
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: he might be poisoning her. Lori says he's probably good,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: but Hope and Hermosillo, they're the bad ones. 11.47 a.m.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Blake plays another part of the recording. Melanie says she
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: hasn't trusted Gibb, and Lori says she can no longer
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: be trusted because she called the police. I don't see
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: it going anywhere bad for any of us, Lori says
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: on the call. 11.49 a.m. Blake asks Ian what Gibb
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: lied about. Ian says she lied about having JJ in
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: her possession. On the recording, there was a reference to
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Dave being the problem. Dave is David Warwick, Gibb's boyfriend,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: at the time. 11.51 a.m. Blake plays another part of
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the recording. Melanie is talking with Chad and Lori. Chad
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: said he was worried law enforcement were still watching Melanie.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Ian had already spoken with police and knew they were
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: looking for JJ and Tylee. 11.54 a.m. Chad suggests they
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: need to permanently move from Rexburg, not just get an
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: Airbnb in Idaho Falls. Melanie asks how to get Hermosillo
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: to stop. He just raged with this whole thing. He
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: was yelling at me and said he wasn't going to stop.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Chad says Hermosillo isn't going anywhere and Melanie needs to leave.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: The wicked stay in one place and the righteous leave.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Chad tells Melanie she needs to leave like Lehi had
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: to leave Jerusalem. Chad tells Melanie to get on Zillow
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: and look for housing. 11.56 a.m. Melanie asks about Rexburg
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: being a place of safety. Chad says yes, but there
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: will be dark times and dark starving people by McDonald's.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Lori says they were all told to go to Rexburg
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: because of the agency of the dark, Satan, has infiltrated people,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: including the police, who are very dark. 11.58 a.m. Lori
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: tells Melanie she needs to get out of Rexburg so
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: the police aren't targeting her. Chad suggests going to Idaho Falls.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: and they can find a house for the same price.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Melanie says we'll go wherever. I'll live in a dumpster
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: with Ian. He's so amazing. Chad says Idaho Falls has
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: good prices for rentals. 11.59 a.m. Chad repeatedly stressed that
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Melanie needs to get out of Rexburg. Blake says this
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: would be a good stopping point for lunch. Be back
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: in one hour. All right, we're going to break here,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: and then in the next episode, we'll pick up where
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: we left off and finish off day number 17 of
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell Trial. All of the information that goes with
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: this episode can be found in the description box. What's
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: up everyone and welcome back to the program. In this
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: episode we're getting right back to the Chad Daybell Trial
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: and we're going to pick up where we left off
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: with that East Idaho News article that was authored by
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Nate Eaton. 105 p.m. We are back in the courtroom
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: and Ian Palowski will return to the stand this afternoon.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsay Blake will continue questioning him.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Jurors have taken their seats. 1.09 p.m. Blake asks about
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: the recording in which Chad and Lori told Melanie she
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: needed to move. There was talk of Melanie feeling like
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: she had to flee. Blake will replay the audio clip
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: to refresh Ian's memory. 1.12 p.m. On the recording, Chad
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: tells Melanie she has to flee out of the darkness
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: and get on Zillow to investigate houses. Melanie says he's
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: not going to stop until he gets what he wants,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: referring to Detective Hermosillo. Yeah, you know, that's his job
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: and all. Find those kids. 1.15 p.m. Ian says Chad
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: and Lori were aware that the police were trying to
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: talk with Melanie. Ian says Chad and Lori never came
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: forward with information on the whereabouts of the children. 1.16 p.m.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori never told Melanie to cooperate with police,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Ian says. As this recording is being played, Chad had
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: little reaction as he sits next to John Pryor. 1.18pm.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Blake asks Ian about Chad referencing Kane and his disciples
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: being in Rexburg. Ian says Chad was referring to members
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: of the police department. 1.20pm. Blake asks about the rentals
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Chad was encouraging Melanie and Ian to look into. Chad
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: was not only encouraging them to move, but recommending places.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Ian says Melanie would absolutely turn to Chad and Lori
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: for advice. 121 p.m. Blake plays another part of the recording.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Melanie refers to dad, meaning Chad. Melanie says she went
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and withdrew 50 grand. Melanie asked Chad and Lori for
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: a combined blessing for her and Ian. Lori says we
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: don't know what Ian knows. Melanie says Ian knows everything.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Blake asked what Melanie was referring to. Ian says it
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: was their religious beliefs and their goal in the world.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Ian learned about the light and dark castings. and people
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: being zombies, and Melanie shared all these things with him.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Imagine you're dating some girl, and she comes up to
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: you and starts talking all this kinds of nonsense about light, dark, zombies.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I would think that that would be the biggest red
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: flag in the history of red flags. So if you
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: stick around after knowing all that stuff, you really don't
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: have anyone to blame but yourself. 1.23pm. Ian says the
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Zoom blessings were out of the ordinary with LDS teachings.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: We now hear Chad giving a blessing to Ian and
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Melanie on the recording. He says angels and ministers were
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: a part of the blessing he and Lori had given
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Zulema and Alex the day before. 1.25 p.m. We now
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: hear Chad giving the blessing to Ian and Melanie. He
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: says they are a powerful couple with unlimited potential and
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: they will be utilized by the Lord. They will team
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: with Mother Earth to cleanse the earth with earthquakes, moving mountains,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: changing rivers, and healing hearts of mankind. So at that point,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you don't realize you're dealing with crazy people, Melanie? 1.26 p.m.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Chad blesses Melanie that she will heal from her illnesses
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: and phobias, other darknesses that have been implanted in her.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Chad says this is being done for Ian as well,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: clearing him of weapons and lifting curses that may have
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: been placed upon them. 1.28 p.m. Chad blesses Melanie and
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Ian to have cords of light wrapped around their hearts
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: so they can feel connection and unity. Chad says they
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: are special couple, who have known each other in the
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: past and have helped each other. Your union will be
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: looked upon as a true love story of happiness and
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: how to treat one another. 1.29 p.m. Chad says the
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Savior is standing there with him and he is very pleased.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Chad says Alex and Zulema are included in this blessing
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: and the six of them have formed a tremendous friendship.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: The six of us are on the right track. I
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: assure you of that. I give you my testimony that
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: this is a power team. We are the genesis of
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Of the 144,000. We don't say that boastfully. It just is. No,
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: you're not. What you are is a child-murdering, wife-murdering piece
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: of shit who belongs in prison for the rest of
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: his life. How about that? 1.31 p.m. Chad says they
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: will see each other again soon, even though they are
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: going to different corners of the world. Chad promises all
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: of us a home in the New Jerusalem as we
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: work under the direction of the Savior. Chad says they
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: have wonderful reunions and it'll be a glorious place where
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: vibrations radiate constantly. If he means vibrations by the bed
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: shaking after his cellmate has some fun with him, maybe.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: But besides that, my guess is your days of vibrations,
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: Chad Daybell, are long over. 1.33 p.m. Blake asked about
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: the portals that were mentioned in the blessing. Ian says
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: on reaching a certain ability of level of spirituality worthiness,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: you could open up a portal and step through it.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: and land anywhere you saw fit. Ian had never heard
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: of this before. Yeah, that's because it's fake. This isn't Stargate.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: You're not stepping through a portal here and ending up
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: on a different world. And furthermore, if Chad Daybell and
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Lori Vallow were able to use portals, why didn't they
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: portal themselves out of this whole entire mess? 1.34pm. Blake
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: asks about the cords. Ian had not heard of that before.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Blake asks about removing spiritual weapons. Ian says spiritual weapons
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: cannot bind themselves to you and wound you. you. Ian
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: had never heard of this before. Blake asked Ian what
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Chad's role was in the 144,000. Ian says Chad and
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Lori designated themselves as leaders of the group. 1.36 p.m.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Chad referenced the Telestial Police Force in Rexburg. Blake asked
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: what Ian... and Chad and Lori intended to cleanse the
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: earth of. Ian doesn't know specifically, but says there were
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: discussions of earthquakes, possessed people, casting out wickedness, etc. 1.37 a.m.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Blake plays another clip from the recording. Melanie and Lori
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: are talking about Melanie Gibb. Lori says Gibb has telestial
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: or earthly fear. Lori says Gibb is not a telestial
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: being anymore. She is a terrestrial being. Lori talked about
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Gibb needing to cut cords from Dave. 1.40 p.m. Ian
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: had heard of translation before, but not in the way
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori talked about it. Blake plays another part
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: of the recording. 1.41 p.m. In the recording, you hear
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Alex saying there's nothing left to do in Rexburg. Chad responds, Al,
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: you know better. Alex still had an apartment in Rexburg
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: at that time, but he was not staying there. 1.43 p.m.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Blake brings up the recording Ian made on the day
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Alex Cox died. It's a 56-minute recording. Blake will play
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: portions from the recordings. 1.46 p.m. The first portion is
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Melanie talking with Lori about Melanie Gibb and David Warwick.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Another portion we hear Lori saying she talks to him
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: every night. Ian says Lori is referencing God. Another portion
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: is Melanie saying her phone is being tracked or listened to. 1.48 p.m.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Lori tells Melanie that they were getting yes, meaning they
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: were getting an answer that Melanie's phone was indeed being tracked.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Melanie often turned to Chad and Lori for answers. 1.50pm.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: We hear another part of the recording and Chad is
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: giving another blessing. This one is for Melanie. Chad says
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: we love you Al. Chad tells Melanie she has been courageous, valiant,
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: and a true friend. Chad says he is including Ian
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: in the blessing as well and removing negative weapons and cords. 1.52pm.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Chad says Al was triumphant and exalted. Chad says this
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: was Alex's next stop on his mission and Alex can
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: now help Mel and her children. Melanie is sobbing. Chad
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: starts to cry. I'm with you, fear not. You can
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: now move forward and continue your mission. Chad says Alex
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: is at work and on the job. No, he's dead
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: and rotting, okay? And hopefully, if there's any justice in
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: the universe, there is a hell. Because if there is
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: a hell, my man is roasting in it right now
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: like one of those Kenny Rogers rotisserie chickens. 1.54 p.m.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Chad tells Ian he is a powerful man and he's
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: on the Lord's team. Chad says, I know you're struggling
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: with your ex-wife, but the Lord is with you. In
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: that room, there are dozens of angels. Chad now turns
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: the blessing over to Lily, or Lori. Lori says, Melanie
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and Ian are powerful warriors on our team. Lori is crying. 1.55 p.m.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Lori says, Melanie and her children will be in New Jerusalem,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: and she will have the opportunity to help many children. 1.57 p.m.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Lori says, the Lord is coming soon. and Melanie and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Ian are part of the number one team. He will
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: come and rule and reign in power and might. Laurie
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: says there will be no more tears, and Melanie and
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Ian will be by the Lord's side, as we will.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Laurie tells Ian and Melanie not to doubt or fear. 1.58 p.m.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Chad now seals up the blessing in heaven and tells
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Melanie she will feel the angels at night. Melanie thanks Chad. 1.59 p.m.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Blake asks about the reference to removing weapons and curses.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: and cutting negative cords. Ian had never heard these things
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: before meeting this group. Blake asked if there were other
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: times when Chad and Lori were on the calls. Ian
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: says he made a total of nine recordings. 2 p.m.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Ian says it was common for Chad to offer a
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: blessing anytime they spoke. Ian was not used to this. 2.01 p.m.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Melanie's talking with Lori about whether they are going to
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Arizona or not. Lori says she isn't sure. Melanie says
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: she doesn't want Brandon to know about Alex's death. And
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I want him, Brandon, to be at fear of Al
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: the rest of his life. 2.03 p.m. In another portion
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: of the recording, Lori says Tammy was visiting them, saying
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: how ridiculous the Rexburg police were. Tammy was dead at
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: this point. Lori says Alex will take care of the
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: police now. Melanie asks who is tracking her phone. Chad
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: says Rexburg police are. Melanie's concerned that police have her
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: hard drive. Oh, I bet you you are concerned. Can
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: you imagine what kind of weirdness this lady has on
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: her hard drive? 2.05 p.m. Chad says Al's passing is
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: a marker for all of us to move forward and
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: trust in the Lord. Chad's encouraging Melanie to avoid the police.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Chad says they can hopefully get their items back from
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Rexburg police soon. Melanie says if police try to talk
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: to her, she will just shut down and not say anything.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Leave me the freak alone and give me my stuff back.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Or maybe you could help out and, you know, tell
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: them where the kids are. Might be something that you
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: might be interested in doing, no? Oh, that's right. You're
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: too worried about what mom and dad, Chad and Lori
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: have to say. 2.07 p.m. Melanie and Lori are talking
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: about the apartment status. Lori says Melanie can do whatever
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: she wants with the items that are left in Alex's apartment.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Melanie asked Chad and Lori if they want anything out
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: of the apartment. They say they don't. This was the
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: day after Alex died. 2.08 p.m. Melanie asked Chad and
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Lori if the phone number they are calling is their number.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Lori says it is today, but it could be different tomorrow.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: Ian says Chad and Lori went through quite a few
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: burner phones. Melanie didn't always have access to their phone numbers. 2.10 p.m.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Melanie says they were using Pretty Bird if it was
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: not safe to call or use phones. Not happy, Bob,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: means it was safe. Melanie suggests new phrases, Jamie Powell,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: if it was safe to call. Daddy, we're down if
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: it's not safe to call. Ian says the core words
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: were necessary to make sure that their communication were not
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: being tracked by the police. So you know what this is?
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: This is a conspiracy. If everybody's working together to avoid
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the police and you're all in cahoots, you're all part
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: of the conspiracy. 2.11 p.m. We hear a new part
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: of the recording where Lori says Alex was the protector.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Ian doesn't know who designated Alex as a protector. Chad
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: tells Ian if he ever needs to talk to dad,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: he's there. 2.13 p.m. Ian did not consider Chad as
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: a dad. In another part of the recording, Melanie talks
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: about leaving town. She didn't feel it was safe to fly.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Chad said he wasn't getting an answer on what she
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: should do. Chad directly tells Melanie to wait for him
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: on what she should do. Again, Chad showing a leadership role.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Showing that he's part of the conspiracy. Making decisions. And
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: not only that, but coercing people into doing his nonsense
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: by wrapping it as some kind of religious vision. 2.14 p.m.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Blake has no further questions. Boy suggests we take the
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: afternoon recess. 2.38 p.m. Jurors have been seated and Boyce
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: is on the bench. Pryor will now cross-examine Ian Polowski.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Ian is in the courtroom with his attorney, Garrett Smith. 2.39 p.m.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Ian met Melanie on November 19th on an LDS dating website.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: They were married on November 30th. Pryor asks about them
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: getting married in 11 or 12 days. Pryor asks if
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: it's unusual in the LDS faith to marry that quick.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Ian says most couples don't get married that quickly. So
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: is this website called like MormonsOnly.com? Like FarmersOnly.com? 2.41pm. Ian
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: only met Chad in person one time. On November 23rd, 2019.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: In addition to the recordings, Ian spoke with Chad and
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Lori one other time. Ian doesn't know where they were
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: and they spoke for about 45 minutes. Prior asks if
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: Melanie and Alex spoke frequently. Ian says they spoke pretty
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: regularly every other day, every two to three days on
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: the phone and through text messages. 2.42 p.m. Pryor asks
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Ian if he's aware of some of the allegations about
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Alex shooting at Brandon Boudreau. Ian says Alex was not
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: acting as Melanie's protector that day. If he had his
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: best interests in mind, he was not acting as her protector. 2.43 p.m.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks Ian if his wife and Lori were as
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: close as relatives could get. Ian says yes. Pryor asks
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: about Melanie being in the ER on the recording. Ian
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: says she was suffering a medical issue and needed to
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: be in the ER. Boyce asks for a sidebar and
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: all of the attorneys leave the courtroom. 2.51 p.m. Boyce
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: tells the jurors not to speculate about what happened with
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: the sidebar and says it was nothing that the state, defense,
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: or witness did. Pryor continues questioning and asks Ian if
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: he was aware two kids were missing on November 23, 2019. 2.52 p.m.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks if he's aware of when Melanie Gibb went
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: to the police. He doesn't know. Pryor asks if there
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: was ever an occasion where where the police asked to
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: look at Melanie's phone. Ian says the only location he
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: can recall if when they were at the police station.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Ian says the police were tracking her location. Good, they
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: should have been. 2.54 p.m. Pryor asks if Hermosillo is
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: one of the officers Ian and Melanie interviewed with. Ian
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: says yes. Pryor asks about Melanie saying Hermosillo was raged.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Ian recalls the comment. Pryor asks if, at any time,
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Lori mentioned this was about a custody dispute with Kay
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: and Larry Woodcock, JJ's grandparents. Ian says that was never discussed. 2.56pm.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks if Chad ever told him that he intended
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: to kill the kids. Ian responds. that would be foolish. 2.58 p.m.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks if Lori and Chad were talking about these
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: cane figures being the police in Madison County. Ian says yes.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Pryor asks if he's heard the term fundamental Mormon. Ian
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: says yes. Pryor asks him to define the term. Blake objects.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Boyce grants the objection. 2.59 p.m. Prior asks Ian if
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: castings are new or unique to the LDS faith. Ian
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: says no. Prior asks what a casting is. Ian says
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the idea is to remove evil from someone. 3.00 p.m.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Prior asks Ian if, in his faith, castings result in
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: people dying. Ian says he has pretty much separated himself
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: from all religions. 3.01 p.m. Prior asks Ian to explain
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: the three kingdoms in LDS theology, the telestial, terrestrial, and celestial.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: Ian explains the differences. 3.03pm. Pryor asks about the 144,000
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: and if Chad was a leader or just part of
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: the group. Ian understands that Chad took a leadership role
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: in gathering the 144,000. The sad part is, there would
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: be 144,000 people out there that would end up following
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: this dude. I mean, all you have to do is
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: take a look at Twitter and look at some of
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: the crazy people and how many people are following them. 3.04 p.m.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: Ian says a lot of burner phones were being purchased
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: and used, and code words were being used during communication
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: on the phones. Prior asks about Chad and Lori being
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: like a mom and dad to Melanie. Ian says yes,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: but Melanie also viewed them as religious leaders. 3.06 p.m.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: Prior asks if Ian understood that Alex knew he was
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: going to die. Ian doesn't know. Prior asks Ian how
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: Alex died. Ian says he suffered a pulmonary edema. Alex
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: never spoke to Ian. about the pulmonary edema. Ian says
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: there was a point where Chad and Lori contacted Melanie
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: before Alex died and said there would be a powerful
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: spiritual attack. Yeah, they knew because he killed himself. How
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: many times do I gotta say it? I mean, let's
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: be real here. There is no way in hell this
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: guy conveniently died of a pulmonary edema right as all
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: of this was breaking. As the whole entire thing's unraveling,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: he just happens to die? And not just die, but
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: die with Narcan in his system? Because, you know, you're
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: taking Narcan to try and help your pulmonary edema, I guess. 3.08pm.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Prior asks if Ian understands this vibration stuff. Ian explains
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: his understanding is it's associated with energy work and it's
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: not part of the mainstream religion. 3.10pm. Prior asks about
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: the lengthy blessings and if blessings are unusual in the
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: LDS faith. Ian says they aren't unusual. 3.11pm. Prior has
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: nothing further. Blake will now redirect. 3.12pm. Blake asks him
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: to clarify that Chad and Lori aren't on all his recordings.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: They are not, but they were on the recordings that
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: were played today. 3.13pm. Ian believes Alex took the shots
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: at Brandon. Blake asks Ian if he's aware that JJ
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: and Tylee were last seen in September before his wife
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: relocated to Rexburg. Ian is aware of that. Melanie was
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: in Chandler before she moved, Ian remembers the phone calls
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: where Lori and Chad discussed the Rexburg Police Department was dark. 3.15 p.m.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Blake asks about the comment that Hermosillo was not going
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: to stop. Ian says he wasn't going to stop investigating
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: the missing kids. Blake asks if Ian was concerned for
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the safety and whereabouts for JJ and Tylee. He was.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: The police shared these concerns. Ian says Chad never offered
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: to tell police where JJ and Tylee were. 3.16 p.m.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Chad and Lori never indicated where the kids were and
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: never did anything to assist in finding the kids, Ian says. 3.17 p.m.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Blake asks Ian, whom Melanie was talking to, about law
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: enforcement being dark. Chad and Lori. Blake asks who was
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: telling Melanie that law enforcement was dark. Chad and Lori.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: Ian eventually learned where JJ and Tylee were found, Chad's backyard.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: Blake is done and Ian is released from his subpoena. 3.18 p.m.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: Boyd suggests given the time, we break for the day.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: So that does it for day 17 of the Chad
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Daybell trial. And again, nothing good for Chad Daybell in
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: my opinion. And in fact, I think each witness has
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: been more devastating for Chad Daybell than the next. And
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I expect all of that to continue as we make
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: our way towards the verdict. All of the information that
• 53:50
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