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David Paulides (2026) - Missing 411 and National Park Disappearances · The Joe Rogan Recap

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  Welcome to the Joe Rogan Recap and before we get going, please
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  our latest episodes in your feed.
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  So I want to ask you a question. OK, shoot.
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  Have you ever been driving down like a super familiar road and
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  you look in your rearview mirror and see a car that just, it
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  wasn't there a second ago? Oh.
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  Yeah, all the time. You just assume it's your blind
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  spot. Right, exactly.
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  You write it off as a blind spot in the mirrors.
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  But what if the blind spot isn't the car?
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  What if the blind spot is actually built into the human
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  brain? Oh, wow, OK, that's a wild
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  thought. Yeah.
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  Today we're taking a deep dive into a really massive, honestly
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  unsettling data set of high strangeness.
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  We're pulling from the Joe Rogan Experience interview with former
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  law enforcement officer David Paulides.
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  And just so you know, for everyone listening, we are not
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  here to swap spooky campfire ghost stories.
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  No, definitely not. This is an investigative puzzle.
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  We're looking at missing people in national parks, untrackable
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  footprints, classified DNA, and basically the absolute limits of
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  human perception. Yeah.
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  And I think we really need to establish that analytical tone
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  right up front because, I mean, the stories we're going to talk
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  about today are wild. They sound completely
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  unbelievable. Oh, completely.
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  But they are deeply rooted in a very bizarre, very real paper
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  trail. We're talking about Freedom of
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  Information Act requests, data anomalies and historical
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  folklore. Our whole goal today is just to
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  look at the facts and ask, you know, what did they reveal about
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  the reality we actually live in? Right, because this whole thing
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  started in a very grounded, bureaucratic way.
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  It wasn't some guy looking for UFOs.
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  No, not at all. It started with Pulleys, who has
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  the serious background, right? Former law enforcement SWAT team
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  and he was doing historical research in Yosemite.
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  Yeah, he was just doing normal research and he actually gets
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  approached by two off duty Yosemite Park Rangers.
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  Wait off duty like they sought him out secretly?
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  Exactly. They sought him out specifically
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  because of his SWAT and investigative background.
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  They told him about this deeply disturbing pattern they've
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  noticed. People were just vanishing.
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  Like wandering off the trail. Worse, vanishing without a
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  single trace. The parks would launch these
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  massive, intense search operations, you know, 10 to 14
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  days long, helicopters, dogs, the works.
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  And then just total silence. Wow.
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  And the craziest part is no reports were made available even
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  to the internal staff. Which is just, it's insane.
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  It's like doing an HR audit where the files are permanently
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  locked and the security cameras just conveniently turn off at
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  the exact same moment every time.
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  That's a perfect analogy. And when Polite hit that
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  bureaucratic wall, it was staggering.
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  Take the Stacy Aris case. Remind me, who was she?
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  She's a 14 year old girl who vanished in Yosemite 46 years
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  ago. When Polites formally requested
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  her file through FOIA, a special agent denied.
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  It wait denied a 46 year old file.
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  Why? They cited Exemption 7A, which
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  is a clause claiming that releasing the file would
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  interfere with an ongoing criminal investigation.
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  An ongoing investigation from almost 50 years ago.
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  I know it makes no sense. But OK, let me play devil's
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  advocate here for a second. Couldn't this just be sheer
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  incompetence? Like park management trying to
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  hide how bad they are at their jobs?
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  Or maybe, you know, animal attacks bears.
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  Well, the animal attack thing is easy to rule out.
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  Paulides uses really strict criteria.
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  If there's a shred of torn clothing, blood, or any sign of
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  an animal, he completely throws the case out.
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  Oh. OK, so these are the unexplained
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  ones. Right.
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  And As for incompetence, it's possible, sure, but the sheer
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  volume of cases with the exact same anomalies pushes the
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  boundaries of just simple bad management.
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  For instance, the point of separation.
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  What's that? Disappearance has almost always
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  happened the exact second a person is alone.
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  Like they step behind a tree or fall 5 steps behind their group
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  and they're gone. Oh, that's terrifying.
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  And didn't the sources talk about the search dogs too?
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  Yes, the canine failure. This is huge.
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  Paulines knows from his SWAT days that search dogs have
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  incredible tracking abilities. But in these specific cases, the
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  dogs inexplicably fail. They refuse to track or they
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  just walk to a spot and sit. Down.
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  Just sit down. Yeah, which is completely
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  outside normal canine behavior. It's like the scent just goes
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  straight up into the air and vanishes.
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  That is so weird and people leave their clothes behind,
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  right? Yeah, vanishing in like 80°
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  weather, leaving perfectly neat piles of clothes and shoes right
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  on the trail. OK, so if it's not bears and
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  it's not just getting lost, what are the mechanics of this?
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  How are they disappearing? Because some of these specific
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  case studies are just mind bending.
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  They really are. Which one stood out to you?
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  Oh, definitely the Canadian skier and the Midwestern
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  trucker. Oh yeah, those are wild.
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  So, listeners, picture this. Yeah, there's a Canadian skier.
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  He's in New York, right? He completely vanishes on the
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  mountain. Massive search.
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  Nothing. He wakes up.
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  Get this 2500 miles away in a truck in California.
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  Still fully clothed in his ski gear.
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  Yes, with absolutely 0 memory of how he got there.
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  And then you contrast that with the trucker in the Midwest.
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  He disappears, leaves his coat right on the highway.
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  They do massive grid searches, dogs, flyovers, searching this
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  specific field. And they find nothing.
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  Right, nothing. A week and a half later, his
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  body is found right in the middle of that exact field they
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  had already searched. That gives.
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  Me chills. And the coroner stated he had
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  been dead for two weeks. So he was dead before they even
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  started searching, but his body weren't there.
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  It's like he was dropped back into the field later.
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  But wait, we have to talk about Carl the Hunter.
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  This is the wildest case in the whole data set.
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  Oh, Carl, in Wyoming, this is where things get truly
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  anomalous. Yeah, so Carl is out hunting
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  elk. He lines up a shot, fires his
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  rifle, but the bullet, it flattens in midair.
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  It just hits an invisible wall and drops to the ground.
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  And law enforcement in Wyoming actually verified this later,
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  right? They checked the bullet.
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  They did. He was completely deformed with
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  nothing around it to hit. Insane.
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  So the elk freeze in time. Carl gets taken aboard what he
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  describes as a transparent cube craft.
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  He sees these five humanoid entities in some kind of stasis,
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  and his frozen elk is in there too.
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  And then they communicate with him telepathically.
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  Right. And they basically tell him we
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  don't want you because you've had a vasectomy.
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  Yeah, he was missing a biological.
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  Part OK, let's unpack this because it's literally like an
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  alien catch and release program. Carl got thrown back into the
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  pond because he didn't meet the requirements.
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  He wakes up miles away. His truck is embedded in
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  impassable mud. And this is the craziest part.
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  He finds out his childhood tuberculosis scars have
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  completely vanished. His lungs were totally clear.
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  So when you look at these details, the truckers, the
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  skier, Carl, there is a clear theme of time and space
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  manipulation. Yeah, definitely.
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  In all these cases, there's this element of subjects being, you
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  know, dropped or placed into impossible terrains.
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  It completely bypasses physical travel.
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  So if there's advanced manipulation of space and time
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  going on, what entities are actually interacting with us out
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  in these remote woods? Which leads us straight into the
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  biological hunt for Bigfoot. Right.
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  And this wasn't some amateur hour.
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  This was backed by serious money.
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  Yeah, two tech billionaires actually hired polydies to
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  either prove or debunk Bigfoot. And they didn't just wander
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  around looking for footprints, they use a hair trap, right?
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  Exactly. They made these traps out of
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  inverted packaging tape wrapped around trees so if something
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  brushed against it, it would pull the hair out by the root,
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  follicle and all. Which you need for DNA testing.
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  Right. And they gathered 125 valid,
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  completely unknown hair samples. Which leads to Doctor Melba
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  Ketchum's highly controversial DNA study.
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  Break that down for us. OK, so Doctor Ketchum ran the
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  analysis and the claim was that the maternal DNA, the mother's
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  side, traced back 12 to 15,000 years to the Middle East.
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  It was modern human. OK, so human mom, but the dad's
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  side. The paternal DNA did not exist
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  in Gambec at all. It was an entirely unknown
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  sequence. But mainstream science totally
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  rejected this, didn't they? Oh absolutely, they completely
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  rejected it. The study wasn't peer reviewed
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  in a major journal, it was published in a paywalled outlet.
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  Ketchum controlled herself. Mainstream geneticists basically
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  said it was junk science and attributed the weird results to
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  the lab contamination. Like someone sneezed on the
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  sample or something. Pretty much, yeah.
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  But Paulice has a really strong defense against that.
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  He argues that if it were contamination, say from him, and
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  he is Russian heritage, the paternal side would just show
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  human Russian DNA. Right, it wouldn't come back as
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  completely unknown non human sequence.
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  Exactly. And he also points out that a
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  Russian Science Academy actually validated the concept of a human
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  hybrid years ago. OK, but wait, aren't the
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  footprints really easily faked? Like couldn't some prankster
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  just be strapping on big wooden shoes and stomping around the
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  mud? You would think so, but the
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  specific details from the sources say otherwise.
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  These tracks feature microscopic dermal ridges.
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  Like fingerprints, but on their feet, Yeah.
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  Exactly. You can't carve that into a
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  wooden shoe. Plus, the depth of the track
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  suggests a creature weighing hundreds of pounds.
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  But the weirdest part is how they walk.
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  Oh, the straight line thing. Yeah, they walk placing 1 foot
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  directly in front of the other. Like they're walking a balance
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  beam to pass a DUI checkpoint. Exactly, A human literally can't
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  walk like that for long distances in the woods.
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  And this all ties back to Native American folklore, too.
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  Oh right, because they don't see them as just big apes.
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  No, the tribes view these creatures as a tribe of their
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  own or as entities from the stars.
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  There's this story from 1885 about a being they called Hairy
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  Moon who literally emerged from a glowing orb an.
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  Orb that is straight up interdimensional UFO stuff.
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  And the interdimensional aspect is backed up by researchers
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  experiencing the hitchhiker effect.
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  Oh, I've heard of this. It's one phenomena.
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  Literally follow them home right from places like Skinwalker
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  Ranch. Yes, they leave the hotspot, go
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  back to their normal homes across the country, and suddenly
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  they're having poltergeist activity or seeing shadow
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  entities. It strongly suggests we aren't
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  dealing with biological apes, but interdimensional entities.
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  OK, so if these interdimensional entities exist and they are
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  interacting with humanity, who knows about it?
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  Because this brings up the whole government cover up angle, which
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  is the dark human side of all this.
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  Yeah, it adds a really disturbing layer of deliberate
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  human intervention. Like the Gilbert Gilman case, he
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  was a paratrooper, an intelligence officer, right?
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  Yes, and he walked into Olympic National Park wearing only flip
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  flops. And vanished.
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  And his mother reported that the FBI secretly entered her
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  penthouse to remove an Arabic notepad and specific books he
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  had left behind. Right.
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  And then there's Ron Tamman. He was a college student in the
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  1950s who found a dead fish in his bed, vanished and then was
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  allegedly seen months later meeting with men in suits.
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  A dead fish in his bed? That sounds like a mafia
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  warning. So are some of these
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  disappearances staged by intelligence agencies?
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  Like using the vast wilderness as a cover.
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  It's very possible and it ties right into the Fox News and Dan
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  Farrah documentary disclosures about recovered non human crafts
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  and bodies. There was clearly a massive tug
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  of war within the government over declassification.
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  So what does this all mean for how we see the world?
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  Because if the government is hiding it, maybe our own brains
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  are hiding it too. What about the concept of
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  psychedelics altering our receiver?
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  This is a fascinating theory. The idea is that our brains are
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  basically antennas tuned to a specific narrow frequency of
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  reality. Like a radio dial.
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  And I think the sources brought up that specific mushroom in
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  China, right? The lawn moaa asiatica, yes.
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  Every year hundreds of hospital patients who consume it
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  accidentally hallucinate the exact same thing.
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  Little pint sized elves. Hundreds of unconnected people
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  seeing identical elves. That's not just a random
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  hallucination. And there's that bizarre
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  historical connection, too, between Amanita muscaria, the
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  classic red and white spotted mushroom, and the origins of
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  Santa Claus and his elves. It's all connected and the
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  ultimate example of this is DMT. Which our brains produce
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  naturally. Exactly.
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  And when people take it intravenously in clinical
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  settings, they consistently report visiting identical
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  geometric realms and meeting the exact same entities.
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  So the real question you have to ask is, are these substances
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  simply creating chemical illusions, or are they tuning
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  the human brain's radio dial? Are they shifting our frequency
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  so we can actually see what is standing right in front of us
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  all the time? That's the $1,000,000 question,
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  Yeah. Because if it's the latter, our
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  standard biological understanding of reality is
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  severely lacking. It really is.
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  I mean, just summarizing what we've talked about today, from
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  locked National Park files and impossible missing persons data
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  to flattened bullets, interdimensional cryptids, and
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  government secrets, the evidence is just overwhelming.
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  We are completely blind to a massive chunk of reality.
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  We really are, and you know, I want to leave everyone listening
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  with one final thought to Mull over tonight.
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  Lay it on us. We know for a fact that dogs can
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  hear whistles that we can't, right?
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  Yeah. And we've just discussed how
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  certain compounds consistently reveal entities we normally
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  can't see. So consider your own daily
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  routine. When you walk your dog at night
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  and they suddenly freeze and they're just staring intently
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  into an empty hallway or a dark tree line, oh man.
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  Ask yourself, what is sharing that space with you just outside
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  the narrow bandwidth of your human senses?
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  Oh. I hate that I'm going to be
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  terrified the next time my dog sneers at the wall.
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  Well, thank you all for joining us on this deep dive.
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  It's a lot to process, but we encourage you to keep
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  questioning the world around you.
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  We'll catch you next time.