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Kansas Imprisoned Women For Having STDs · Ridiculous History

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Speaker 1: something that may have befuddled some of you, our fellow
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Speaker 1: ridiculous historians. Hi, I'm Ben. Hey, No, what are you
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Speaker 1: talking about? Ben? I'm talking Noel about the fact that
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Speaker 1: almost like we haven't been really thinking this through. It's
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Speaker 1: almost as if we were winging that one. It's true. Well,
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Speaker 1: we we thought both stories regarding Oregon were interesting and important,
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Speaker 1: so much show that we didn't really decide which one
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Speaker 1: Mallie or wild Wildlife reservation? Casey, Apparently you really ped
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Speaker 1: which is quote unquote wrong if you're going by the
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Speaker 1: withdraw from this discussion entirely. Those folks can pronounce it,
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Speaker 1: how are they? Like? Okay, well, just to verify we
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Speaker 1: See three different ways, three different ways, So I don't
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Speaker 1: up at the top of the show. Don't let it
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Speaker 1: get to you. I'm not gonna let it get to you.
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Speaker 1: But this, this episode today is about a state that's
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Speaker 1: not Oregon. That's sort of the whole point of this
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Speaker 1: right right, right right. Also, I we would be criminally
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Speaker 1: remiss if we didn't do one of my favorite things
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Speaker 1: to do on this show, Friends and Neighbors. Super producer
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Speaker 1: Casey Pegram. I just love the sound cute. I love
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Speaker 1: it too, But I've noticed we've drifted into a thing
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Speaker 1: where Casey will be on Mike and it's not necessarily
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Speaker 1: Casey on the case. So it doesn't have to be.
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Speaker 1: It's a brave new world. It's a brave new world.
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Speaker 1: It's just like English is a living language that continually evolves.
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Speaker 1: This show and the country in which we recorded are
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Speaker 1: continually evolving as well. I see where you're going because
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Speaker 1: today our journey takes us to Kansas in the nineteen twenties,
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Speaker 1: and we want to warn everybody this is not a
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Speaker 1: super happy, fun, feel good story. No, no, it's really
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Speaker 1: not really. Nothing good comes of this um other than
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Speaker 1: the fact that it stopped happening eventually, right, That is
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Speaker 1: the happy ending. The it in question ben, The in
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Speaker 1: questionable is the imprisonment of thousands of innocent people. Well,
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Speaker 1: they were innocent by what we would consider criminal standards today,
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Speaker 1: but morally they were considered quite guilty. But not just people,
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Speaker 1: ben women specifically, and and poor women. So what's the scoop?
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Speaker 1: So the nineteen twenties in the US sees the influx
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Speaker 1: of many international influences because of people returning from World
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Speaker 1: War One, which started in July of nineteen fourteen and
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Speaker 1: went to November of nineteen eighteen. And not to cast
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Speaker 1: aspersion on these returning soldiers, but a lot of them
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Speaker 1: didn't just bring in appreciation for foreign food or new
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Speaker 1: sorts of architecture music back home with them. They also
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Speaker 1: brought some diseases, that's right, because they couldn't keep their
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Speaker 1: days in their peace right where a family show. Uh
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Speaker 1: So what ended up happening is they returned home to
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Speaker 1: their significant others, and they met people in the States
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Speaker 1: and they transmitted some of these diseases they had picked up,
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Speaker 1: things like syphilis, gonerihea, things that genuinely posed um not
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Speaker 1: only a national health risk, but also a national security risk.
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Speaker 1: I read this the idea of it potentially preventing soldiers
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Speaker 1: from being effect dive in battle. Some of these diseases
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Speaker 1: are no joke. They debilitate you, like severely, especially as
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Speaker 1: they progress, things like syphilis right. And then you know,
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Speaker 1: as we mentioned, there are a couple of other diseases
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Speaker 1: in the mixed clamydia the clap as well. And when
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Speaker 1: this spike happened, it was noticeable. It was an outbreak.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't just like two people in a town all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden showed symptoms of gnaria when they were tested,
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Speaker 1: and states started to panic. And usually, unfortunately, when human
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Speaker 1: community's panic, we often tend to target the people with
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Speaker 1: the least agency or the least power in a community
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Speaker 1: or or that. And when we panic, we we tend
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Speaker 1: to screw up and overshoot the mark a little bit, right. So,
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Speaker 1: in an effort to quash these potential outbreaks um in
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Speaker 1: Kansas in particular, it was in nineteen seventeen that there
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Speaker 1: was a law pass called Chapter two oh five known
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Speaker 1: as the State of Kansas Quarantine Law. And what this
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Speaker 1: essentially meant was any one suspected of having a sexually
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Speaker 1: transmitted disease. It basically gave public health officials um an
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Speaker 1: insane amount of leeway in terms of, Hey, you, you there, Ben,
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Speaker 1: you you're looking a little peaked today. I think you
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Speaker 1: probably have gone a rhea into the cells with you.
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Speaker 1: So before we go any further, let's clarify here. Uh
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Speaker 1: STDs transmit across the entirety of the gender spectrum. Right,
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Speaker 1: So this means that if Kansas and other states are
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Speaker 1: so very concerned about the threat posed by s t
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Speaker 1: d s, they should be locking up everyone who has one, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's right. Except we were just desperate for able bodied
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Speaker 1: men to fight in this you know, horrific conflict. So
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Speaker 1: it would be kind of counterproductive to lock up every
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Speaker 1: man suspected of having one of these diseases, especially since
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Speaker 1: the testing at the time very inaccurate. The testing was
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Speaker 1: nowhere near sophisticated as testing methods today. Additionally, there was
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Speaker 1: this huge sexual double standard, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: talk about victim blaming this. We should also say a
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Speaker 1: lot of this information is coming from Nicole Perry, a
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Speaker 1: University of Kansas researcher who dug into the story behind
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Speaker 1: chapter two oh five so we've established the gist right,
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Speaker 1: the general way in which this occurred. But we should
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Speaker 1: probably also mention that when they were taking women to
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Speaker 1: court for these situations, they would find excuses to intervene
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Speaker 1: in and then find out that they had STDs and
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Speaker 1: then punish them like they would they would use charges
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Speaker 1: like vagrancy. That's right, no, for sure. Um. And the
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Speaker 1: thing about this too is these women didn't go to
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Speaker 1: the state penitentiary because, uh, the idea was that they
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Speaker 1: would be abused by the male inmates. So nearby there
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Speaker 1: was actually another facility called the Kansas State Industrial Farm,
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Speaker 1: which was in fact a farm, but actual working farm,
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Speaker 1: but it's officially listed as a prison. That's right, exactly.
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Speaker 1: And Um, the notion was that social reformers, as is
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Speaker 1: discussed in this article from k C you Are the
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Speaker 1: Faces of Long Gone Women, tell a new story of
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Speaker 1: the Kansas State Prison. Um, social reformers believed that women
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Speaker 1: that went there had the potential to be rehabilitated. But
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Speaker 1: here's the thing. In this article, there's a woman named
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Speaker 1: Jennifer Moyer who got a grant from the state to
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Speaker 1: set up a exhibit at the Lansing Historical Museum which
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Speaker 1: is this very small place in a former train depot,
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Speaker 1: all on the actual prison grounds. And she got ahold
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Speaker 1: of all these amazing intake photographs of inmates when they
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Speaker 1: you know, when they were admitted, I guess, and they're
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Speaker 1: female when incarcerated book exactly. And she noticed that um
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Speaker 1: following the opening of this separate women's prison in the
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Speaker 1: spring of nineteen seventeen, it only had about seventeen inmates total, uh,
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Speaker 1: And that was pretty common in Kansas. But when Chapter
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Speaker 1: two of five kicked in, it rose significantly to almost
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Speaker 1: four hundred women and by the end of that year,
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Speaker 1: at the end of that year, and that continued to
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Speaker 1: grow because you see, after the war ended, this statute
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Speaker 1: stayed on the books and they kept using it to
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Speaker 1: persecute women. Right. And in her research, Jennifer Meyer finds
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Speaker 1: short write ups of interviews that the inmates, that the
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Speaker 1: inmates had with the authorities, And this is how she
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Speaker 1: learned that several things were happening as a result of
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Speaker 1: this moral panic, one of those being that women were
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Speaker 1: being rounded up in raids, and then some had been
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Speaker 1: turned in by jilted lovers, right and and and just
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Speaker 1: in general, they were profiled because, like we said earlier,
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Speaker 1: because those tests for these diseases were so inaccurate. Sometimes
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Speaker 1: you might have a public health official who says, oh,
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Speaker 1: you're sexually active, therefore you must have an STD. Therefore
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Speaker 1: to the prison farm with you. And then also this
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Speaker 1: magnifies the tragedy. Some women turned themselves in of their
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Speaker 1: own accord because they had been exposed to an STD,
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Speaker 1: and treatment at the time was very expensive, not to
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Speaker 1: mention often not safe. Yeah, I think I have The
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Speaker 1: term toxic came up a few times. What are we
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Speaker 1: talking here, Well, we have to remember this is the
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Speaker 1: age before the widespread use of penicillin, right, So there
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Speaker 1: are treatments of things like uh sulfanillamide on gon arhea,
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Speaker 1: and these things could work, but they could also be dangerous.
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Speaker 1: You know, you're poisoning your body in some cases. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I saw another one too, for pre penicillin treatment of ganeria.
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Speaker 1: That was something called cubebs, which is an Indonesian pepper
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Speaker 1: um that was turned into a powder and applied to
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Speaker 1: the affected area. And if you can imagine rubbing a
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Speaker 1: hot pepper on your genitals, that's not a fun sounding
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Speaker 1: experience at all. I mean, to each their own but yeah,
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Speaker 1: I would say in general, that's that's not for me
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Speaker 1: at least. So these people, if they were not well
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Speaker 1: off financially, had no place to go to get treatment.
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Speaker 1: Not to mention the shame that could spread around town, right,
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Speaker 1: your reputation being key, especially in a small town, and
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Speaker 1: the state of Kansas itself did not invest in free
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Speaker 1: public health clinics at this time, So the closest many
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Speaker 1: people could get to a free public health clinic is
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Speaker 1: the farm, that's right. Yeah, No, I mean, it really
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Speaker 1: is pretty dire situation when you have someone in genuine
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Speaker 1: need who has done nothing wrong and potentially, you know what,
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Speaker 1: had intercourse with someone who may have even known they
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Speaker 1: had the disease and decided to keep that from the partner.
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Speaker 1: You know, this happens all the time, right, So you're
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Speaker 1: literally victimizing people who are already victims exactly exactly, and
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Speaker 1: not only victimizing them in this legal sense, but also
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Speaker 1: in this again this moral sense that you are a
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Speaker 1: woman of ill repute and so on. And as you said,
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Speaker 1: and I think this is important point, they were not
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Speaker 1: held there for the rest of their lives. They were
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Speaker 1: typically in for a matter of several months, right two
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Speaker 1: or three months. We don't know what happens to a
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Speaker 1: lot of them after they leave, because there's no there's
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Speaker 1: just no paper trail, right except for in a few
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Speaker 1: very isolated cases. And these are young kids to like
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Speaker 1: sixteen to twenty two, I think. Yeah. And if you
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Speaker 1: want to see some of these women, um, you know,
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Speaker 1: and you're in the area, I highly recommend that you
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Speaker 1: check out this exhibit at the Lancing Historical Museum because
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Speaker 1: these images are incredibly stark. They're captured using very high
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Speaker 1: quality glass plate negatives, which I believe is still like
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Speaker 1: a fine art photography method that's used today, and they
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Speaker 1: yield these very stark black and white images. And in
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Speaker 1: the article, the curator of this museum exhibit talks about
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Speaker 1: how surprising it is that these images are so old, um,
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Speaker 1: and that it's very easy to look at these faces
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Speaker 1: and kind of identify and see yourself in them, because
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Speaker 1: they really, you know, other than the dress, these are
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Speaker 1: humans and it's very striking to kind of see them
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Speaker 1: because they I'm looking at this one of a woman
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Speaker 1: and she's in her profile shot. She's kind of like
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Speaker 1: looks a little timid and looking away a bit in
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Speaker 1: her head on shot. She almost has like kind of
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Speaker 1: a grin on her face, and you know, and and
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Speaker 1: really some of these the clothes aren't even that dated looking,
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Speaker 1: other than just the little you know, what do you
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Speaker 1: call it, the prison number and the you know, a
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Speaker 1: little tag that you hold up looked very much like
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Speaker 1: a mug shot you might see today, only black and white.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, the slate. There's a there's a very emotionally
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Speaker 1: charged human element to this. And it's tough too. It's
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Speaker 1: tough to overestimate the importance of these photographs in history,
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Speaker 1: right Because I don't know about you, NOL, but I'm
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Speaker 1: pretty sure neither of us knew about this practice before
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Speaker 1: we started examining it for this episode. No, absolutely not,
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Speaker 1: And we ment we mentioned to the top of the show.
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Speaker 1: And I think it goes without saying because of the
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Speaker 1: military situation, but meyer Um was asked how many men
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Speaker 1: she found that had been incarcerated because of Chapter two,
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Speaker 1: O five, and she says she couldn't find any. So
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Speaker 1: I think that kind of goes without saying that that
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Speaker 1: men were kind of able to just get away with murder. Um.
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Speaker 1: There's even a story about you know, oh, I got
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Speaker 1: a disease from my husband and he reported me just
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Speaker 1: to like get rid of me. It's this, this kind
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Speaker 1: of WITCHHND is kind of s situation. And the question
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Speaker 1: that many of us are probably wondering at this point
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Speaker 1: is how far did this go? How many people did
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Speaker 1: Chapter two oh five effect? Well, we can say that
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Speaker 1: number of people the penitentiary rose from seventeen to four
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Speaker 1: hundred in the space of the year. Eventually it led
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Speaker 1: to around five thousand women being imprisoned at the farm
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Speaker 1: while the law was on the books between nineteen seventeen
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Speaker 1: and insane. Yeah, that's wild because, as you know, if
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Speaker 1: it was designed to or at least intended to, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, help with this war situation, it's interesting that
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Speaker 1: it stayed on the books for so long after as
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Speaker 1: as a means of kind of rounding up what might
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Speaker 1: be considered as sinful women in the eyes of like
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Speaker 1: a possibly puritanical rule of law. And you can read
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Speaker 1: some great articles about this, particularly on the University of
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Speaker 1: Kansas website. There's a great article titled Researcher Documents Gender
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Speaker 1: US Bias in Quarantine law measures. And one thing that
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Speaker 1: was pretty important to us in our research and with
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Speaker 1: our research team looking at this was to note that
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Speaker 1: the US does have a history of quarantining, detaining, or
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Speaker 1: interning citizens on its own soil. Exactly. The Justice Department
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Speaker 1: actually oversaw the internment of more than what has it
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Speaker 1: been thirty thirty thousand, more than thirty thousand American civilians
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Speaker 1: during World War Two. Yeah, and this included more than
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Speaker 1: eleven thousand people of German descents just just because of
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Speaker 1: their ancestry, the three thousand due to their Italian ancestry.
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Speaker 1: And then of course there were the U. S citizens
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Speaker 1: who were in Japanese internment camps as well. And not
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Speaker 1: to mention the fact that in the eighties and nineties,
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Speaker 1: during the HIV AIDS epidemic, or when it first kind
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Speaker 1: of came into the public consciousness, there was actually suggect
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Speaker 1: question consideration of rounding up those affected by that into
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Speaker 1: some kind of quarantine situation. And we know that ultimately
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Speaker 1: that did not occur. But the scary number for that
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Speaker 1: is in thirty four percent of the US public supported
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Speaker 1: the idea of quarantining people who had HIV. It's a
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Speaker 1: similar situation too, you know, with the STV panic that
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Speaker 1: we're talking about in the twenties where it is seen
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Speaker 1: as a it's something new that they haven't experienced before,
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Speaker 1: and it's seen as a potential public health crisis. So,
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Speaker 1: you know, people do stupid stuff when they panic. But
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Speaker 1: we do have a I guess a little bit of
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Speaker 1: let's say, light at the end of the tunnel of
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Speaker 1: moral panic here, because that stat we just mentioned changes
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Speaker 1: over time. And these stats are from a report from
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Speaker 1: the Psychology Department of U. C. Davis. Um, there was
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Speaker 1: another stat from ninety one saying that as many as
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Speaker 1: of the population believe that names should be named, so
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Speaker 1: talk about a witch hunt, right for for those suffering
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Speaker 1: from AIDS, and they should be made public. But um,
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Speaker 1: in the Spanish just a handful of years, by ninety seven,
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Speaker 1: only one in six endorsed these kinds of policies, and
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Speaker 1: fewer than one in five supported doxing these people, for
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Speaker 1: lack of a better expression, putting out these names. So
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Speaker 1: you know, and certainly the stigma surrounding STDs has similarly
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Speaker 1: changed in this country from the way it may have
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Speaker 1: been in World War One. Yeah, one would hope that
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Speaker 1: we are making progress not just as a society but
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Speaker 1: as a species today. As we said, This law is
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Speaker 1: no longer on the books in Kansas, but it is
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Speaker 1: important to remember that things like this, crazy as they sound,
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Speaker 1: really did occur. It's true. And and if we're doing
18:52
Speaker 1: a few stats I think we should wrap with with
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Speaker 1: a pretty interesting one today. According to the American Sexual
18:57
Speaker 1: Health Association, one into sex, really active people will contract
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Speaker 1: st D or s t I infection by the age
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Speaker 1: of twenty five of some sort of some sort exactly,
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Speaker 1: and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate that
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Speaker 1: in someone in the neighborhood of twenty million, new instances
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Speaker 1: of STDs occur every single year. The good news is, however,
19:21
Speaker 1: that there are multitudes of resources that can help you.
19:25
Speaker 1: If you have any concerns, you can go get free
19:29
Speaker 1: test right and in a city near you to steal
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Speaker 1: a line from that men's warehouse guy. I guarantee it,
19:37
Speaker 1: and of course you hear it all the time. Just
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Speaker 1: practice safe sex and just be smart about it. There's
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Speaker 1: all kinds of resources, like Ben said, and there's all
19:44
Speaker 1: kinds of ways to protect yourself from getting one of
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Speaker 1: these things. So you know, there you go. You know,
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Speaker 1: it occurs to me that we have completed our Kansas episode.
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Speaker 1: But there's so many other interesting stories about Kansas. Are
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Speaker 1: we going to end up doing a thing where we
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Speaker 1: have like four episodes about one state and one episode
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Speaker 1: for other states? Well, I mean don't want we don't
20:06
Speaker 1: want to hurt anybody's feelings. But you know, some states
20:09
Speaker 1: are greater than others in terms of the stories, but
20:12
Speaker 1: we're trying to dig for all of them. Man, we're not.
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Speaker 1: We're not gonna discriminate right against the states upfront, but
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Speaker 1: Scrimmace state. Yeah, that's good man, that's not that's not
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Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked it. It It was worth it,
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20:53
Speaker 1: we go, you know what, No, we've been on a
20:55
Speaker 1: kick about this lately. I say we double down and
20:58
Speaker 1: do some more listener mail because it because the episodes
21:00
Speaker 1: have been running short it's because this episode is shorter. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's true, but it's a good one. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: absolutely worth, very important, and it certainly was a darker
21:08
Speaker 1: time in this country. But you know, less history repeat
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Speaker 1: itself always a good idea to kind of keep on
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Speaker 1: top of the trends of the past. Yeah, and now,
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Speaker 1: without further delay, Casey, could you set us up for
21:19
Speaker 1: listener mail. So this is not our usual listener mail
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Speaker 1: kind of thing, but I thought this was hilarious and
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Speaker 1: if you haven't seen it on Ridiculous Historians, we wanted
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Speaker 1: to share this with you. First, welcome to Nicole p Uh. Nicole.
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Speaker 1: You are a new member on the group, and you
21:42
Speaker 1: recently said, does anyone hate these Starbucks ads as much
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Speaker 1: as I do? I feel like they're on every podcast
21:49
Speaker 1: and they make me want to flip over tables and
21:51
Speaker 1: burn down a Starbucks. Well, the joke's on you, because
21:53
Speaker 1: the tables at Starbucks are bolted down. My friend, they
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Speaker 1: thought about it, and just reading the descriptions of this opprobrium,
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Speaker 1: it's so amazing. Melissa f responds, not just you, I
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Speaker 1: hate them with the fiery passion of a thousand sons.
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing, folks, we don't always have control over
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Speaker 1: which ads get in our show, especially when they're ones
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Speaker 1: we don't ourselves read or endorsed. But you know what,
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Speaker 1: they keep the lights on, and they keep our mouths
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Speaker 1: talking into these here microphone than just one war though
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Speaker 1: this is I'm reading these because I you know, as
22:28
Speaker 1: a lover of language, I really respect a good turner phrase.
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Speaker 1: Uh so. Jerry m agrees and says yes, annoying and
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Speaker 1: somehow some inappropriate, to which Nicole p says, right, it's
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Speaker 1: like being told to have to pee by someone trying
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Speaker 1: to seduce me. Oh wow, oh my good gracious, that's
22:46
Speaker 1: that's the closest we can get as a family show.
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Speaker 1: But I really hope Starbucks and listening to say, I
22:53
Speaker 1: hope they make an out about it. Hey, you know what,
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Speaker 1: it's fun. We we love Starbucks. Actually, I go, I go,
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Speaker 1: I get my Starbucks. I get my Bucks on on
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Speaker 1: the rag And your point, your point by ads is right.
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Speaker 1: We just we want to thank everyone listening for being
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Speaker 1: so supportive of our show and also being so consistently hilarious. Agreed. Okay,
23:12
Speaker 1: the next one is, uh, I don't know, I'm not
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Speaker 1: walking it back, but it's a little mia culpa from me.
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Speaker 1: We've got one from Cameron. A. Hi, my name is Cameron.
23:19
Speaker 1: Let me just say I love your show. I wait
23:21
Speaker 1: every episode you guys put out. Um, if I use
23:23
Speaker 1: social media, I would join your groups, but I'm too
23:24
Speaker 1: busy for social media at the moment. However, regarding your
23:27
Speaker 1: latest episode at the time, this was the British soccer
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Speaker 1: game where the Brits gave the Nazi salute. I was
23:32
Speaker 1: a little sad to hear you guys compare the United
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Speaker 1: States to Nazi Germany. I do respect that you first
23:36
Speaker 1: began with not to get political, but it still made
23:39
Speaker 1: me feel a bit unwelcome as a listener to the podcast.
23:42
Speaker 1: Not a huge Trump fan, a conservative libertarian, but um,
23:45
Speaker 1: he is still our commander in chief and I wish
23:47
Speaker 1: him the best I can in his term as president.
23:50
Speaker 1: So I just want to say that my uh my
23:53
Speaker 1: statement there and our statement, I mean it was I'm
23:55
Speaker 1: the one who said it and been backed me up.
23:57
Speaker 1: It was mainly just the idea of watching history repeat
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Speaker 1: itself in terms of appeasement. I was not comparing America
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Speaker 1: to Nazi Germany. I was more saying the the pieces
24:07
Speaker 1: that were laid that led to something like the Nazis
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Speaker 1: being able to take power are strangely similar to what
24:13
Speaker 1: we're seeing with our administration right now in terms of
24:16
Speaker 1: letting things slide. That there's like sort of an escalating
24:19
Speaker 1: effect that that you can kind of get a sense
24:21
Speaker 1: of and maybe compare the two historical circumstances. I am
24:26
Speaker 1: in no way implying that Donald Trump is one to
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Speaker 1: one with Adolf Hitler at all, and we are not
24:32
Speaker 1: a political show, but it was a parallel that I
24:34
Speaker 1: could not help but notice and felt compelled to comment on.
24:38
Speaker 1: I see also also this This was interesting to me. First, Cameron,
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Speaker 1: thank you for well worded and pretty respectful email. But
24:48
Speaker 1: this reminded me of Godwin's law. Do you know what
24:51
Speaker 1: that is? Gladwin's law, No Godwin, no relationships, go O
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Speaker 1: d w Y. And it's a weird thing that you
24:59
Speaker 1: may have heard of you're familiar with the internet. Godwin's law,
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Speaker 1: also called Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies, is this Internet
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Speaker 1: adage that says, as an online discussion grows longer, the
25:10
Speaker 1: probability of a comparison evolving Hitler approaches one, which this
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Speaker 1: guy's argument is no matter who you talk about, no
25:17
Speaker 1: matter what you talk about, if it's online, you talk
25:20
Speaker 1: about it long enough, at some point Nazis are gonna
25:23
Speaker 1: come up. Have you Have you seen this Teddy Ruxpan,
25:25
Speaker 1: this new online Teddy Ruxpen. It's just like Nazi Germany.
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Speaker 1: It's pretty the pieces are there. Uh. So okay, if
25:33
Speaker 1: you're cool with it, maybe we end with uh with
25:35
Speaker 1: a funny email. Yeah, I think that's smart. Smart We
25:38
Speaker 1: go funny, heavy, funny. Yeah, like MPR, which is true,
25:43
Speaker 1: that's their formula. We are also big MPR fame, that's true.
25:46
Speaker 1: So this email, everybody, get your ears ready for this.
25:51
Speaker 1: This email is called how could you do It? That
25:54
Speaker 1: should be a segment from from Noel l namesake in
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Speaker 1: O E L L E whatever. I'm sure you'll be
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Speaker 1: famous friends. So Noel, you wrote in to say, I
26:09
Speaker 1: want to know how you could do a show on
26:12
Speaker 1: the epic song Louie Louis and speak of its supposed
26:15
Speaker 1: to battery and impact on America's youth, and not even
26:19
Speaker 1: mentioned one of the greatest covers of it, John Blushi
26:22
Speaker 1: an Animal House that one scene to find everything that
26:25
Speaker 1: the mothers and fathers were worried the song was encouraging. Guys,
26:29
Speaker 1: it was a great show. But I kept waiting for
26:31
Speaker 1: you to at least mentioned this piece of American film
26:35
Speaker 1: history and connection with the song. You blew it, guys,
26:37
Speaker 1: Double Secret Probation for you, Noel L I don't get
26:41
Speaker 1: the reference. I haven't seen Animal House. Animal House is
26:44
Speaker 1: a great Casey, have you seen Animal House? Now? I haven't,
26:46
Speaker 1: but I do know the double Secret Probation thing because
26:49
Speaker 1: that was also like on the special edition when it
26:51
Speaker 1: came out, it was the Double Secret Probation Edition. So
26:56
Speaker 1: so I've got to I've got to get you, guys.
26:59
Speaker 1: We've got to have a pizza party and watch adimal Hell.
27:02
Speaker 1: I've never seen The Blues Brothers either, so I've got
27:04
Speaker 1: some real holes in my comedy film history. You know.
27:07
Speaker 1: I watched The Blues Brothers when I was a kid
27:10
Speaker 1: with um I guess some relatives, and I think I
27:13
Speaker 1: just didn't get it, you know what I mean. I
27:15
Speaker 1: think a lot of it went over my head. But
27:17
Speaker 1: thank you so much for writing in. Noel and everyone else.
27:22
Speaker 1: Let us know if if I've got to take Casey
27:25
Speaker 1: and Nol to a movie night sometime soon, should we
27:29
Speaker 1: go for Animal House or should we go for Blues Brothers?
27:32
Speaker 1: What about Blues Brothers two thousand? I saw that one
27:34
Speaker 1: in the theater yea, And yeah, you guys don't need
27:37
Speaker 1: to catch up on the cool It's actually an episode
27:39
Speaker 1: of How Did This Get Made? About it? Um if
27:41
Speaker 1: you want to check that show out with Paul Sheer
27:43
Speaker 1: and June, Diane Raphael and Jason manzocas Paul Sheer, who
27:46
Speaker 1: has actually been a guest on our sister brother Pierre
27:51
Speaker 1: Pierre podcast movie Crush yep, and uh, Blues Brothers two
27:56
Speaker 1: thousand is ridiculously cameo heavy. So so I guess it
28:01
Speaker 1: depends on how you feel about cameos. But or what
28:03
Speaker 1: about the band Cameo Wired app Yeah, the band Cameo themselves.
28:10
Speaker 1: They don't get enough mentions and that's why you tune
28:12
Speaker 1: into Ridiculous History so you can hear Cameo get the
28:15
Speaker 1: passing mentioned they deserve. Okay, I know we're in Tangent
28:18
Speaker 1: City right now. I need to wrap this up, but
28:19
Speaker 1: I have to say this because I was standing down
28:20
Speaker 1: to the airport, was listening to comedy Bang Bang, which
28:22
Speaker 1: I love, and there is a character, you know the show.
28:25
Speaker 1: They have different improv actors playing characters coming on the
28:28
Speaker 1: show talking to Scott Ackerman, and one of them was
28:32
Speaker 1: his character was it's the guy from Cameo and every
28:35
Speaker 1: he just speaks like Hello Scott, Hello band Wired app
28:40
Speaker 1: and it's like that's how he speaks, and I'm like,
28:42
Speaker 1: I recognize that voice. And it was Carl Tart, who
28:45
Speaker 1: used to be one of the co hosts of our
28:47
Speaker 1: other cohort podcast, Culture Kings. He's the guy that got
28:51
Speaker 1: away a comedy Bang Bang, He's He's He also plays
28:54
Speaker 1: the chief on Comedy Bank Bank, the Carmen Sandy character.
28:57
Speaker 1: I had no idea. Yeah, pretty awesome ventillations, Carl. Maybe
29:01
Speaker 1: we can have him come on our show at some point.
29:04
Speaker 1: I mean, we are pretty friendly with each other and
29:05
Speaker 1: we do seem to be. Check Out the recent episode
29:07
Speaker 1: with Robert Evans. I actually listened to it myself in
29:09
Speaker 1: the wild. Um. That was a fun little discussion about
29:12
Speaker 1: the racist origins of Oregon. Yeah, Robert Evans, the mastermind
29:17
Speaker 1: behind the new podcast Behind the Bastards True. Check it out.
29:22
Speaker 1: Check it out and let us know what you think,
29:24
Speaker 1: and tune in for our next episode when we explore
29:29
Speaker 1: Oscar Wilde the morals of Victorian England, uh, the incredibly
29:35
Speaker 1: complicated fashion required of the time, and an infamous pair
29:41
Speaker 1: of cross dressers who set the hoity toity world of
29:46
Speaker 1: late Victorian England ablaze. Thanks to our super producer, Casey Pegram,
29:52
Speaker 1: thanks to Christopher Hasciotis, our research assistant, Thanks to Alex
29:56
Speaker 1: Williams who composed our theme, and most importantly, thanks to
29:59
Speaker 1: you for putting up with us two knuckleheads and digging
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