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245. "Ten Minutes" - The Case of Julian Wood - North Olmsted, Ohio - [Part 1] · Least of These

• 0:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to least of these, where I cover the cases that need it most, because every life matters and everyone deserves justice.
• 0:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm your host, Leah D. Today I'll be bringing you part one of the case of Julian Wood in North Olmsted, Ohio.
• 0:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Today's case involves some murder of a child, listener discretion is advised.
• 0:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And with that said, let's get right to it.
• 1:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: According to the USDA, an estimated 32 to 38 million Americans visit a grocery store on any given weekday.
• 1:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: The average US consumer makes about one and a half grocery trips each week, many of them moms with kids in tow trying to stick to a budget while navigating the cereal aisle.
• 1:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's one of life's most routine errands, a necessary chore that rarely warrants a second thought.
• 1:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Most grocery trips are completely forgettable.
• 1:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: You make a list, grab a cart, compare prices, maybe negotiate with a toddler over how many snacks are making it into the cart, check out and head home.
• 1:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: June 3, 2024 started out like any other day for the wood family.
• 1:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Mom Margo was at home with her mom and two of her three children, her infant daughter and her three-year-old son Julianne.
• 1:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: According to later court testimony, 38-year-old Margo would needed to pick up a few groceries for dinner that evening.
• 1:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: At first, she planned to take the whole family, but when her infant daughter fell asleep, Margo and her mother decided that grandma would stay home with a sleeping child, and Margo and Julianne would make a quick trip to the grocery store.
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Margo Buckle, Julian and his car seat, and drove to their local giant eagle.
• 2:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Before they went in, they stopped to look at the flower baskets displayed outside the doors.
• 2:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Julian helped his mom pick out a few flowers before they made their way inside.
• 2:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Julian sat happily in the shopping cart while he and his mom shattered back and forth.
• 2:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: They passed the bread aisle, wandered through produce, and picked up everything they needed for dinner.
• 2:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: After paying it the self-checkout, Margo bagged the groceries.
• 2:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was approximately 3pm when she pushed the cart out into the parking lot toward her silver minivan.
• 2:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Margo was blissfully unaware that just steps away a woman was approaching, and a matter of moments her life would be forever changed.
• 2:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: As Margo got to her car, she noticed the woman walking toward her, and then she saw the knife in her hand.
• 3:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: She barely had time to utter the words, oh no Julian, before the woman attacked.
• 3:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Margo immediately tried to put herself between the woman and her son.
• 3:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: The woman struck it in nearby vehicle, stabbing the back of the car's trunk.
• 3:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: As Margot tried to get Julian out of the shopping cart, it tipped over.
• 3:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: The woman stabbed Julian in the face.
• 3:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Margot desperately tried to get her son away, but the attack continued.
• 3:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: The woman stood over them, stabbing Margot in the shoulder, and then stabbing Julian a second time in the back.
• 3:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Witnesses watch and horror as Julien cried out.
• 3:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Marbo screamed for help, several people called 911 while others rushed toward the mother and child trying to intervene.
• 3:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: And when one was nervous and see, they're the child.
• 3:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's bleeding all over the place.
• 3:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're at North Carolina.
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what happened in him.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's a lady with a nice stabbing somebody in the north.
• 4:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: We're the dining hall.
• 4:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: My father said she could hear her.
• 4:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: She's walking around.
• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then, as quickly as it began, the attack was over.
• 4:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: The woman turned and walked away from the scene.
• 4:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: But three-year-old Julian was gravely injured and covered in blood.
• 4:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Police were already on their way, and bystanders immediately began trying to help.
• 4:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: a nurse at the scene rushed toward Julian and took him in her arms to provide aid.
• 4:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Another witness whose wife was on the phone with 911 followed the woman who had just attacked Margot and Julian.
• 4:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Moments later, EMS and police arrived.
• 4:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Margot and Julian were transported to the hospital.
• 5:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Back at the scene, one of the witnesses followed the attacker as she walked away from the giant eagle, Knife's Dillon hand toward Doversenner Road.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Court TV reported that when that witness asked her as she knew she had stabbed a child, the woman allegedly shrubbed and mout the word, so?
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: When North Olmsted police arrived, they ordered the woman to the ground.
• 5:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: She complied and was taken into custody without further incident.
• 5:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Once in custody, she refused to discuss a stabbing.
• 5:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Every question investigators asked was met with the same one word answer, Lawyer.
• 5:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: At the hospital Margo was treated for a stab wound to her right shoulder that required stitches.
• 5:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: She would physically recover from her injuries.
• 5:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: But emotionally, Margo's life would never be the same.
• 6:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Despite the best efforts of medical staff in the off-duty nurse on scene, three-year-old Julian Wood was pronounced deceased.
• 6:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: That afternoon Margo would had left her home for what should have been a simple trip to the grocery store, instead she returned home without her little boy.
• 6:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Her sweet boy with a rambunctious spirit and a big cheesy smile, the little boy who loved dinosaurs and his baby sister.
• 6:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Three-year-old Julian affectionately known as Juju was gone.
• 6:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Investigators had no doubt who was responsible for his death but they needed to understand why
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: why would someone attack a mother in her three-year-old son at a grocery store?
• 6:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Marco didn't know this woman, she had never met her.
• 6:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't know her name or have any reason to believe she was in danger that day.
• 6:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: The attack was sudden, random and impossible to comprehend.
• 7:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: While Marco would didn't know her attacker police did,
• 7:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And now they need to piece together exactly what had happened in the days and hours before the attack.
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: For investigators, that wouldn't be difficult.
• 7:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nearly the entire crime was captured on surveillance video.
• 7:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: As it turned out, the woman now accused of killing Julian Wood had actually been at the police station earlier that very same day, and that wasn't the first time.
• 7:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Court-record showed a minor criminal history that included charges like shoplifting, criminal trespass, and traffic violations.
• 7:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: But according to police, there was nothing in Ellis's previous interactions with them that suggested she was capable of the violence that took place on June 3rd.
• 7:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: While Ellis had never reportedly displayed violent tendencies, there was an incident about
• 8:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: New Cleveland Police Records obtained by News 5 Cleveland revealed that in late February of 2024, staff at a shelter Ellis was staying in and called police and told them that Ellis had confessed to murdering someone and Bakersfield, California, and wanted to turn herself in.
• 8:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: When officers arrived, Bianca Ellis said that she wanted to kill someone and eat their flesh.
• 8:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Police transported her to Metro Hospital where she became agitated and began fighting nurses, doctors, and police officers in a psych room.
• 8:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Officers in Ohio followed up with police and baker's field to see if Ellis had ever been a suspect in a murder case in their jurisdiction.
• 8:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: She hadn't, but baker's field police confirmed Ellis had been there, but not for homicide.
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Records showed she had been arrested about a month earlier after refusing to leave a hospital at this charge, and this wouldn't be the last time Bianca Ellis was arrested after refusing to leave.
• 8:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: 19 News reported that about two months before the attack so that brings us to sometime in April.
• 9:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ellis was arrested in Florida after she refused to leave a hotel lobby.
• 9:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: She told officers that she had come to Florida on vacation.
• 9:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hotel management told authorities that Ellison booked a room online but when she arrived to the hotel, she couldn't pay the deposit or resort fee and refused to leave.
• 9:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: When officers arrived, Ellis was calmly sitting in the hotel lobby, as she told them she had nowhere to go.
• 9:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was trespass from the property and police suggested she go to a local church to see if they could help.
• 9:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ellis left the hotel briefly, but returned again and refused to leave.
• 9:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was arrested on trespassing charges and remained in jail for about a month.
• 9:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: After her release, she was back in Ohio again.
• 9:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: News 5 Cleveland reported that days before the stabbings on Wednesday, May 29th, Bianca Ellis had an encounter with police in northern stead.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: According to reports, Ellis went into a Walmart pushing a wheelchair with a suitcase.
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Shoppers told employees, Ellis was behaving erratically prompting someone to call 911.
• 10:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: 19 news reported that in that 911 call, the caller told the dispatcher that they thought this woman needed help.
• 10:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: At that point, Ellis left the Walmart, but she was located nearby.
• 10:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: She told the officer that she was headed to the bus station.
• 10:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: The officer asked for her ID and Ellis willingly handed it over.
• 10:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was common cooperative throughout the entire interaction, even as she was placed under a rest.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: As it turned out Ellis had an outstanding warrant for violating probation, stemming from
• 10:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: In that case, Ellis pled guilty to the lesser charge of unauthorized use of property.
• 10:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was given six months probation and theft education.
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: She failed to complete one of the court-ordered theft education classes and a judge had issued a warrant for her arrest.
• 11:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bianca was arrested and remained in jail until Friday May 31st when she was released from custody.
• 11:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: As Margo and Julian arrived at the giant eagle grocery store, Ellis went to the North Homestead Police Department to ask about retrieving property from her previous arrest.
• 11:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: According to later court testimony, at the station, Ellis spoke with Officer Daniel Shuk.
• 11:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: She told her that she wanted her money and belongings returned.
• 11:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Officer shook told her that the department didn't have any additional property or money belonging to her, and that the officer who handled her arrest was not working that day.
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ellis became visibly irritated.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: On a way out the door she switched the lights off in the lobby.
• 11:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was so flustered, she walked out and ditched her wheelchair and suitcase outside the station.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bianca Ellis was angry.
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: She believes in North Olmsted Police had taken her money in property, and now they were refusing to return it, and her mind she had been wrong.
• 12:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: After leaving the North Olmsted Police Department, Ellis went to a nearby shopping plaza and walked into the volunteers of America thrift store on Lorraine and Doverson a road,
• 12:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ellis went to the kitchen area and began rifling through a bin of knives.
• 12:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was there for several minutes digging through the knives before she selected too.
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: She stole the knives from the thrift store and walked into a neighboring bin store briefly.
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: She walked outside and struck the knives against a concrete pillar, dropped one of them,
• 12:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: As Ellis entered the giant eagle, she spotted Margo and Julian wood as they were walking toward the exit.
• 12:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: In her right hand, she was holding a 12 inch butcher knife.
• 13:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Neither Margo nor any of the other shoppers noticed the knife and Ellis's hand.
• 13:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ellis and Margo passed each other walking in opposite directions, Ellis walking in and Margo walking out, Margo steered her shopping cart around Ellis.
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Seconds after they passed, Ellis stopped, turned around and followed the mother and son, just steps behind them.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bianca Ellis was only in the giant eagle for roughly a minute before she followed Margo and Julian out into the parking lot.
• 13:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Less than 10 minutes pass between the time Ellis entered the thrift store and took the knives and when she attacked the toddler.
• 13:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: In a matter of minutes, Julian's life was violently ripped away from him.
• 13:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bianca Ellis was charged with one count of aggravated murder, two counts of murder, two counts of attempted murder, two counts of felonious assault, one count of endangering children, one count of tampering with evidence, and one count of misdemeanor theft.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was booked in the Kaya Hoka County jail.
• 14:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bond was initially set it $1 million pending arrangement.
• 14:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: It took three attempts before Bianca Ellis could be formally arranged.
• 14:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: During the first hearing she put her head down and refused to answer even the judge's simplest questions, including whether or not she'd received a copy of her indictment.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: The second attempt ended much the same way.
• 14:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the judge ordered that instead of appearing on video as the first to attempts, Ellis needed to appear before her in person.
• 14:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ellis spoke in a whisper as she told Judge Nancy Russo that she hadn't read her indictment and didn't want to read it.
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Judge Russo read every charge allowed an open court.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: As the judge read Ellis's indictment, Ellis smiled.
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: She smiled at the judge and then toward the courtroom cameras.
• 15:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: When Judge Russo asked Ellis if she was going to plead not guilty, she giggled and responded with C, like she was speaking Spanish.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anyhow, she giggled and responded with C several times before she eventually said yes.
• 15:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Julian Wood's family was in the courtroom to witness his disgusting and clippant display.
• 15:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just a week after Ellis had murdered their little boy.
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Julian's father Jared Wood asked a judge to deny bail.
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: The absolute devastation L.S.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: had caused was written all over his face as he stood in front of the court, feet away from his son's murderer to ask that she remained behind bars.
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: that day one week ago took everything from us, there's nothing that could ever replace my son or anything that my wife and I, even her other kids are going through, it's horrendous, when I really was no bail period,
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: or extend it to the max limit possible by that you can at the very least.
• 16:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Just do whatever you can to keep this monster behind bars.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you, sir.
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is there anything else you would like to say?
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: That'll be it.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you, Your Honor.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
• 16:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Judge Nancy Russo set the bail for the highest amount she could under Ohio law.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: We would just ask that you consider signing the public defenders office, recognizing this is not our number.
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: We did represent her at the first appearance unit.
• 16:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: I did meet with her on Friday.
• 16:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: We have had contact with her family and began working on the case.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you, Alan.
• 17:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: When the original bond was set out of any course, the bond was set at $1 million.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it was before the passing of one of the alleged victims.
• 17:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I do not believe that bond is appropriate given the change of circumstances and the allegations that are contained in this indictment.
• 17:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Bonda said that $5 million cash, surety, or property, GPS, no contact with any surviving victim or victim's family, DNA order, judges John Russo, pre-trial student 17 at 90.
• 17:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll assign council.
• 17:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you.
• 17:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: $5 million.
• 17:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bianca Ellis would remain behind bars.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: After Julian's murder, the community rallied around the woods family.
• 18:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: The day Julian was laid to rest, community members line the streets between St. Charles Church and sunset memorial part.
• 18:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: The family drove through a sea of green, Julian's favorite color, and a community covered and dinosaurs, as they made their way from the service to the cemetery.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Green ribbons were tied around trees surrounding the church and the community showed up.
• 18:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: They wanted the wood family to know they weren't alone.
• 18:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: North Olmsted was with them in their grief and their fight for justice.
• 18:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Outside of the giant eagle, a makeshift memorial overflowed with dinos and balloons.
• 18:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: A bright green dinosaur mural was painted near the grocery store in Julian's honor.
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: while the community came together to honor Julian's life.
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Inside the courtroom, the question became not just what happened on June 3, but whether Bianca Ellis was mentally capable of standing trial for it.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: As the murder case progressed towards trial, there were signs that the issue of mental health was going to be front and center.
• 19:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we already caught a glimpse of that during a
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: At times, she refused to respond to the judge.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: She rocked in her chair and often cocked her head to one side.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bianca Ellis' defense team raised questions about her competency.
• 19:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: The defense claimed in a hearing of July of 2024 that Ellis was not able to assist in her defense and therefore incompetent to stand trial.
• 19:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: To be found in competent to stand trial, a defendant generally must lack either a rational or factual understanding of the proceedings against them, or the ability to consult with their attorney and assist in their defense.
• 19:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Analysis case that appears she was unable to effectively communicate with her defense team.
• 20:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: According to court records, Ellis underwent a 20-day evaluation when the doctor treating her said she was incompetent, stating, quote, The defendant is incompetent to stand trial, but there is a substantial probability of restoration to competency within the statutory timeframe if provided with a course of treatment.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Before we get into it, let's talk about that statutory timeframe.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: By definition, a statutory time frame is just a deadline set by state law.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: When it comes to competency, it's referring to how long a court can commit a defendant for treatment before the court has to take additional action.
• 20:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Each state has different requirements on the max length of an initial restoration commitment and further guidelines as to whether or not the commitment can be extended and if so, how many times.
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: All states are constrained by the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Jackson, versus Indiana, which held that a defendant cannot be held indefinitely simply because they are incompetent to stand trial.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: They may be held for a reasonable period to determine whether competency is likely to be restored.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: If it's not, the state must either pursue civil commitment under its pencil health laws or release a defendant.
• 21:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Under the Ohio Revised Code, the statutory timeframe to determine if one is competent for a future trial is one year.
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was ordered to treat men at North Coast behavioral health care where she would remain hospitalized indefinitely, and only stand trial of her condition improved.
• 21:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was a very real possibility that a fellas couldn't be restored to competency within the time allowed by law, the case might never proceed to trial.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: For Julian's family and the community so impacted by his death, that felt unacceptable.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: months passed and the deadline was approaching faster than anyone wanted to admit.
• 22:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: But inside North Coast Behavioral Health Care doctors were working to restore Ellis's competency and slowly, according to prosecutors and defense attorneys, the treatment appeared to be working.
• 22:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: At a hearing and February of 2025, both sides agreed that the case could
• 22:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: After another evaluation, Bianca Ellis was deemed competent to stand trial.
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Once that determination was made, Ellis threw her legal team, changed her plea from a simple not guilty to not guilty by a reason of insanity.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: The defense strategy shifted, instead of arguing that Ellis wasn't the person responsible for Julian's death, they would argue that because of her mental illness at the time of the crime, she should not be held criminally responsible.
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bianca Ellis did have a documented history of mental illness, but had it affected her in such a way that she couldn't be held criminally responsible for the murder of three-year-old Julian Wood.
• 23:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: The jury would have to decide, but that's a story for next week because, unfortunately, we're running out of time, and there is so much more to this story.
• 23:26
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• 23:32
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• 24:02
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• 24:03
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• 24:04
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• 24:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: And until next time, be good to each other.
• 24:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is by far one of the hardest cases I've ever covered, to see in here the heartbreak Angelian's parents.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean Margo was just at the grocery store.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was just doing something we all do a million times, pick an up dinner.
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Watching the surveillance video, which I have linked in the show notes, but anyway, if you do decide to watch, watch with caution, because watching that video really chills you to the core.
• 25:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Margo is pushing the cart just like any other mom.
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just trying to get the groceries out of the store into the car in home.
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: She's not really paying attention to the people around her.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: She's focused on her toddler and just getting the groceries home.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: watching it you want to scream when you see Ellis come into frame.
• 25:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: You wish you could do anything to warn her.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: You wish somebody anybody would have noticed that she had a knife.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: But you realize that you, if you had been in that exact same situation, you probably wouldn't have noticed either.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then Ellis stops in turns.
• 26:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like in that split second, she decides she's found her victim.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: It all makes you sick to your stomach.
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: This beautiful little red-headed toddler just sitting in a buggy.
• 26:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: How did she look at that sweet innocent baby and say, Yep, I'm going to kill him.
• 26:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll never understand that.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: About the only explanation I've got is that evil exists, and it walked in that grocery store that day.
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: and then Ellis follows them out.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: She's just steps behind, so close.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it looks like just inches.
• 26:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then Margo fought with all she had to save her son.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: But she was caught so off guard.
• 26:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: The buggy tipped over and everything just happened so quickly.
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: She didn't even have time to register what was happening.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: It just breaks your heart.
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: It could have happened to anybody, literally.
• 26:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was no rhyme or reason to any of it.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing Margo could have done differently or anything she could have done to prevent this type of attack.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: She was a mom at a grocery store and broad daylight trying to feed her family.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: She could have never known that that evil would walk through the doors that day, and maybe that's what makes it also tragic and scary.
• 27:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because how do you prepare for something that you never, not even in your wildest nightmare, see coming?
• 27:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's about all I got to say about that.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: You all know I love you more in my luggage and I can't wait to talk at you next week, but until then, bye-bye-bye-bye-bye.