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Going Rogue with Mackenzie Pemberton-Whiteley · Success Matters

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I chose to take a gap here and travel to Australia.
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I did then go to university, at which point I personally didn't
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feel that it was for me. I decided to just start working
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jobs instead. A lot of men are driven towards,
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hey, let's earn money, earn money, earn, earn, earn, become
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the best, have things rather than experiences or helping.
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I'm a reasonable fan, we could say of Dave Ramsey, and part of
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his seven step plan is make money so that you can give as
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much of it away as possible. Or if I see someone that needs
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help, is that money going to dramatically change my life?
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No. So therefore, why should I not
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give it to someone where it will fundamentally change their day
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or their week when I'm so fortunate?
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How can I not help them to give back?
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Mackenzie, thank you very much for joining me on Success
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Masses. You've had quite a journey or
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you're still in your 20s, but you've been already been on
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quite a journey through life. And as we were preparing for
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this conversation, I was really touched by a number of things
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that you you shared with me. So let's begin actually with
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your story of Mexico becoming your home base and how it
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actually ended up being the place that you now call home.
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Yeah, absolutely. So I'd booked a flight will be
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November of 2019. So before anyone actually knew
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what was happening within the world.
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We'd heard a couple of people were ill in Italy, maybe that
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was the the furthest extent. And I booked my travels to
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Mexico. My brother had actually bought
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me the present for my 21st birthday, bought me my flight
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and I bought. What's the worst that can
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happen? As it kept developing, I thought
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I can always just buy a new flight home.
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It would be the good beginning of my travels so I'd have the
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funds to buy a flight home. And I just thought it would
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offer a different perspective to to what else was happening in
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the world. And I wasn't going to put my
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plans on hold just because of something that we were
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completely unaware of. I that we actually met the love
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of my life whilst traveling out there and we made the decision
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together that living in Mexico might just be preferable to
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living in England for a number of reasons.
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So that's how I get home base. So you'll you'll travel trip to
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Mexico was just to do some travelling was it was was some
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other something else you were doing as well.
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Yeah, It was initially just a travel.
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I was going to start in Mexico, meet my brother in Costa Rica
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two months later as he was doing a talk there.
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So the plan was, hey, you have two months to get from Mexico to
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Costa Rica, whatever that might look like, and then travel
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further into South America. And obviously his talk got
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cancelled, at which point I was stuck in in Mexico and family
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asked, Are you sure you don't want to come home?
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And I thought, I think I'm OK here at the moment.
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And I just ended up staying for about 15-16 months the first
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time for for returning home, running out of funds and
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starting work as as life goes. Right, OK, yeah.
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So talking of that, they you, you came home to start work and
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and started pretty much door knocking right as your your the
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job, your first job. Yeah.
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So I actually started selling loft insulation and I was rather
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fortunate that this was the oil crisis of what 2021 was it with
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with Russia and so were insulating their homes, at which
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point things went quite well for me.
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I had originally planned on actually going and becoming a
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financial advisor. I spoke with the chief exec of
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Gulf Financial Advisors and he actually recommended that
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potentially that wasn't the best path for me at the age that I
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was at 2122. He said you'll see he doesn't
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look like that of a traditional financial advisor and asked him,
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do you mind me asking how come? He said, well, you performed
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very well in all of the tests, but you're 20, not 59.
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So the average age of a financial advisor in the UK is
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59. And why on earth would you want
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to to go into this? And just person, my personal
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love for finance was the reason behind why I wanted to go into
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it. But I took some life advice from
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someone who had considerably more than I do or did at that
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point and probably still does. And yeah, continued with my
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sales career and actually building that path as I was
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aware that everything you do in life is sales.
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So. So, but he didn't of course say
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go door knocking and selling loft in insulation, right?
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Or did he? I don't know, maybe, he said.
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That was good grounding. I was actually in the job
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already and he said you're going to take a large pay cut to come
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and live in London where prices are also going to be more
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expensive. So you're probably better off
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taking the money and investing it and continuing doing what
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you're doing. So tell me to to keep selling
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off the insulation, yes? Yeah.
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OK. Fair enough.
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And you said to me in in our preparation calls that you'd
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gone rogue compared to all of the your peers that you went to
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school with. So tell us a little bit more
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about that. Yes.
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So my school wanted everyone to go to university.
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Naturally the statistics of being a private school and those
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sorts of things, they wanted to say X percentage of people went
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to USD, went to this university, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
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I chose to take a gap year and travel to Australia and then
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came back home and I did then go to university, at which point I
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personally didn't feel that it was for me.
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I didn't feel it was providing the value that I was looking for
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nor the life path that I was looking for.
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So I decided to just start working jobs instead and, and
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actually doing things and getting real life experience.
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And not that that's necessarily for everyone, but I think it's
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for a lot more people than than the media and the governments
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might lead people to believe. So what did you have in mind as
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that life experience that you wanted to have while St. uni?
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Because many people also at uni don't necessarily know what they
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want to do with life, right? That's like it's a moment where
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you start to discover yourself and maybe you come out at the
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end with an idea, or maybe you do what many people do, just
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follow now the path that you've taken, the university.
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So what was different for you? I think that because I was
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studying business and law and my business teacher had studied
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business at school, studied a business at university and then
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was a lecturer doing business at at the university and had never
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run a business. I was a bit confused as to why I
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was being taught how to run a business by someone who'd never
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run one and then combined with law lecturers who were teaching
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me food recipes of how to cook to get through first year.
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I was there thinking this isn't what I'm paying for, and I was a
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little bit confused. And I enjoyed the social aspect
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of university, definitely. I've recently met up with a
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friend who I haven't seen in almost a decade because of it.
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And so those those friendships are still still deeply
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ingrained. But I just thought that there
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must be more for the world to offer me right now than really
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first year at university is you need 40% to pass your exams.
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That's not exactly very much. So people do the bare minimum.
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And I thought I'm really not optimizing for my life here, you
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know, getting by and enjoying and having fun.
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And there's nothing wrong with doing that, especially whilst
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you're young. But that wasn't my path.
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Right. What?
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What would you say was that thing when you say optimizing
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for your life? Right.
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What? What vision or aspect did you
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have in mind at that point of how to optimize for your life?
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So family stewardships, always something that's been very
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important to me. My grandfather on my father's
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side and my father in particular, always ingrained in
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me that it's a man's responsibility to take care of
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their family. And I didn't feel like that was
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happening currently. So I thought worst comes to
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worst, I can go get some jobs, get some perspectives.
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I think one thing that a lot of people don't sort of realize or
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think about is you need to do jobs that you don't want to do
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so that you're aware that you don't want to do them.
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I mean, I remember working, moving white goods, not exactly
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the job that I'd planned to do, and I saw other people that were
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doing it at varying ages, and that made me aware that that
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wasn't something I wanted to do. I went and did garden and became
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a gardener. Quite, quite an enjoyable job
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actually. Yeah, to to my surprise.
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But again, not something that I maybe wanted to do for the rest
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of my life. So yeah, going through those
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things, there's nothing wrong with going in and iterating lots
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of different things and finding out what does work, what doesn't
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work. Maybe there's certain elements
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of things that you enjoy. And so you actually just get to
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learn a lot about yourself as a person.
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And that was something for me that was really important.
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So therefore I was then able to optimize on top of that knowing
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more about myself. Right.
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OK, Yeah. So in doing those roles, you've
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discovered what you don't like, what you do like and therefore
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then have kind of it's it's race.
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And I think many people, they almost see if they don't feel
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comfortable in a role or, you know, give up role, almost see
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that as failure rather than a learning experience.
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So that's an important perspective to have, especially
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when you're young, right? It's right.
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You've got the, the opportunity or the wrong way to do so.
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I still want to pick up on something as well.
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You said about your dad and granddad, because you said your
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granddad is like your best friend.
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And that's really sweet. How, what, what?
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What is it about that relationship that you have that
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makes him your best friend? So this is actually that this
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would be the grandfather that I have on my mother's side that
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I'm now talking about. He went and ran a loss
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adjustment firm in Fiji when he was in his late 50s into his 60s
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and he lived abroad for seven years or so.
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So I was quite young at the time and I don't actually really
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remember it. I just get to hear the wonderful
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stories that he shares with me. And so now having lived abroad
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for about 6 years or over six years, he is always the person
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that I can turn to in that sense and someone that actually
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understands me in that he's lived the life that I've lived.
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And so he always offers great perspectives, great pieces of
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advice, wonderful stories. I mean, some I can share on the
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podcast, some I probably shouldn't.
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But yes, no, he's just always been there.
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And I think if anyone were to be considered a man by any, any
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good standard of the, of the word, he, he is a man.
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If the world had more individuals like him, it would
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be a better place. There's no doubt about that in
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my mind. Right.
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OK. And So what would you?
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Because there's a lot of conversation at the moment with
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the Louis Theroux documentary about manosphere we saw on
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Netflix there. So there's a definition of man
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within that, right? Potentially.
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So. So what would you say makes your
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granddad a really great man? He sticks to his word.
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He will make sure to never swear in front of women.
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That's something that's really important to me.
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He's always very polite and it's very important to him that you
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are aware the circumstances and situation in which you're in.
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He was never afraid of hard work, never afraid to put others
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before himself, and still isn't this day to make time for the
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people in your life. And, yeah, just really having
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that, that sort of gumption. And he worked from when he was
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16 years old until he did his mandatory military service
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because he was born in 1935. So he's 90 now.
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And so he's never, yeah, he was just never afraid of hard work.
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And he always instilled that in me, that, hey, if you want
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something in life, it is yours for the taking.
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You just need to be aware of the sacrifices that you're going to
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make for it and make sure you put in the effort.
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Right, OK, yeah, and that's all sat very sage and sound advice.
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What do you do now, Mackenzie? So I currently run a firm for
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sophisticated wealth professionals and I help them
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move away from being reliant on referrals, which is a common
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problem when you're good at what you do is you get referred a lot
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of work. The issue with that is they're
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very inconsistent. So I actually go in and I
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implement an infrastructure for them so that they can acquire
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new clients consistently and predictable.
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OK. That sounds quite technical.
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When you say infrastructure, it's like what sort of processes
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or software tools? Yeah, a little bit of both.
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So I'm sort of a marketing consultant.
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We use some software to enable things to get, get things going
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a little bit faster. But I'm really in that balance
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of I work with financial professionals, which was
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something, as I mentioned previously, that I love.
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And so that's something that I get to do for them is just
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ensure that they have more people to talk to.
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They can help more individuals themselves.
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And in the process, I get to help them.
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I'm sure that's a common theme we'll probably talk about is
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helping people. I remember my first sales job,
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which we previously talked upon. He helped me, my mentor, a lot.
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And so wherever possible, I try my best to help others.
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Right, yeah. And and so that and I know
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that's a very important part of what you do and and helping
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others and giving back to society.
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Tell us a little bit more about the ORSS and what that does and
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and why you help there. Yeah, so the ORS project is
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mainly focused around protecting water or so that would be
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rivers, lakes, oceans, things like that.
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As someone who lives predominantly by the beach,
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wherever I am, I, I, I tend to find myself by a beach.
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I do think that we are affecting our, our oceans quite
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considerably with the plastics, with the, the lack of wildlife
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or the dangers and damages that we're causing to our oceans.
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And so therefore, again, if there's something that I can do
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to help, well, then I'm more than happy to do so.
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So I, I'm a senior advisor there and I speak with a connection of
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mine who actually I, I met through LinkedIn and he, he
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offered me the role and I do it voluntarily because again, it's
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the cost of a society that I want to live in is to help.
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Yeah. I think the oceans, because we
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can't see beneath the surface, we forget the damage that we're
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doing. And actually the damage to the
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oceans is probably far worse than to the atmosphere or to the
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land that we're we're inhabiting.
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So it's really important part. What does ORS or all stand for?
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Is it an acronym for something? It it, it's an acronym for
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something very long. We, we yeah.
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I I I won't go in if I'm going. I should research something or
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other, maybe I'm kind of thinking something.
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Like that? Yeah.
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Yeah, OK. And and as part of part of
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giving back you, you also said something to me when we were
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preparing about you've not given away enough.
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Yeah, when we talk about money buying happiness or so you said
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something along those lines. So well, tell me a little bit
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more around that part. Yeah, absolutely.
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So I think that in the West especially, you know, you touch
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on the Louis Theroux thing, a lot of men are driven towards,
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hey, let's earn money, earn money, earn, earn, earn, become
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the best, have things rather than experiences or helping and
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a reasonable fan, we could say have Dave Ramsey and part of his
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seven step plan is make money so that you can give as much of it
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away as possible. And so whenever I live in
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Mexico, materially, if I see someone that needs help, is that
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money going to dramatic, dramatically change my life?
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No. So therefore, why should I not
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give it to someone where it will fundamentally change their day
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or their week when it would actually have full to 0 impact
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on my life? And that just could be 5 lbs,
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ten pounds, 20 lbs. But if you see it, and you do
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see it quite commonly in Mexico, a woman on the street with a
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couple of children, for example, that touches touches you and
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it's, it's a bit difficult to see.
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So therefore, when I'm so fortunate, how can I not help
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but to give back? Yeah.
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And that's really good point there around, yes, you can keep
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that 20 lbs for argument's sake, for yourself, does that make you
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happy? Versus actually knowing that by
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giving it to that woman with two kids on the street, you're able
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to, she's going to be able to feed them for the rest of the
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week or yeah, whatever it is she's able to do with that
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money. And that actually gives much
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deeper happiness, right? And much more meaningful
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happiness. Absolutely, absolutely.
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It's, it's just something that I think a lot more people might be
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able to, to experience to give whatever you can.
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And you know, it doesn't have to be a huge amount, but that
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happiness that you'll get is much more long lasting than the
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20 lbs, I promise you. Yeah, absolutely.
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And it it can be time as well, right?
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As you said, you volunteer for the RSSI, volunteer for a
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charity with that in itself, cambering bring a lot of
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happiness. It's not necessary just money
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that you can be providing to to others.
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As you know, this is called success masses.
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What's the success mean to you? Yes.
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So success to me really means optionality.
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That would be the the best way to say it.
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It's not a number, it's control over my time and the quality of
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my life. So being able to do what I want
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when I want. I'm currently based in Thailand.
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I'm visiting some, some clients over here in Asia and the
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ability to be able to go to the beach on my on my lunch break,
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do some do some working out and some yoga in the sun, Enjoy that
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and then come back and, and work for the rest of the, the, the
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day as if as if life were were normal.
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But just having the optionality that that's what I want to do
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whenever I want to do it from wherever I want to do it.
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The location freedom is is something that was always
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important to me as well, something I learned when I was
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ultimate. OK, so so the optionality 8 what
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as you were talking now is reminded of actually the very
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first podcast I recorded on success maths with a lady called
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Adele and she talks about her VIPs have had these interests
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and purpose and if you can match those than that do doing what
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she wants, when she wants and how she wants is kind of how
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what she said. So very similar to what you
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said. It's kind of full circle to my
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very first podcast. I think.
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Thank you for that. Without knowing it, I have a
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tradition in my in podcasts to ask a question.
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Ask my previous guest to ask a question for my next guest.
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My previous guest asked this question.
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What is your kryptonite? My kryptonite.
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That's a fantastic question. My tonight would be postponing
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things, something that I'm with. Only things.
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OK, really should just be done in the moment.
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If it takes less than 5 minutes, you should probably get it out
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of the way. Even if it takes 30 minutes or
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less, just get to the task at hand.
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And once you start doing it, it's, it's much easier than than
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you realize and you get into a rhythm or a flow state, or at
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least, you know, speak for myself, I do so that that's a
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very good question, very good one.
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So postponing you didn't use the word procrastination, which a
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lot of people use. Was there?
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Was that a particular choice to use the word postpone rather
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than procrastinate? No, it wasn't a deliberate
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choice of words, but I suppose that almost interchangeable in
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in this situation. Yes, often procrastination might
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might be the the better better word for it.
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Yes. I, I actually think postponing
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actually is because with procrastination, to me it
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suggests that I'm not the Oxford Dictionary, but it kind of
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suggests that you're just constant continually putting
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that off. Whereas postponement, to me, it
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feels more like you've put it off up to a point.
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It's almost like a defined window, if that makes sense.
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And maybe it's just kind of my perception of 2 words, but for
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me that actually is a better word than procrastinate.
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So it's all about opportunity costs.
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So if I, I try to make it to the beach for sunset every single
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day where possible would be possible.
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We're doing this wonderful podcast together and I'm greatly
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appreciative of you taking the time.
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But as long as you're aware of the choices that you're making
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and the cost of what you're currently doing versus what
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you're choosing not to do, then that's fine.
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As long as you can live with it in a full circle back to my
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granddad. As long as you can look yourself
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in the eye and you're happy with that.
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And I'm, I'm a big fan of the poem Kipling.
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If if you happen to know it and it's there's that you know, if
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you can make a a heap of all your winnings and pitch it all
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on one turn and lost and never breathe, never breathe a word
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about your loss. That's essentially what it is.
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If you've made a decision, stand by it, don't complain about it.
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It is what it is and move forward with it.
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Yeah, don't, don't look back, right on those decisions that
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you make. The audio did break up slightly
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there. So what was the poem that you
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you mentioned by Rodo Kipling? If by Rodger Kipling.
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Yeah, OK. Right.
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Yeah, no. Very good poem.
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We recommend it for for anyone who isn't familiar with it.
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Yeah, absolutely. So do you have a question for my
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next guest? Yes.
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So I'm curious, what's 1 belief that they held strongly five
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years ago that they no longer believe today?
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And what was the thing that changed their mind?
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The thing or things that changed their mind?
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OK, the one belief that you held five years ago that you no
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longer hold today, and what was it that changed your mind about
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it? OK, And you do you have an
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example of 1? Yes.
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So I'm a big fan of Jim Rohn and he he's a big self development
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guy for anyone who doesn't know, big influence on Tony Robbins
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who most people probably will know.
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And he said if you start working on yourself as opposed to your
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job, then that's where you'll actually see the growth within
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your life. And when I first heard it, I
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thought that it sounded a bit ridiculous.
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I was working in a sales role and I thought, well, if I work
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on myself for three hours versus taking an extra sales call, I
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could either be making more money or going away and probably
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not using the time as efficiently as possible.
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So that was that was one that that took a couple of years to
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really sink in. And then once I actually
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realized the importance of self development, I thought, yeah,
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Nope, fair enough. That that changed my mind quite
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significantly. And part of that was working at
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a former company where their core culture was better every
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day. They had a Slack channel where
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you had to post something you were doing every single day to
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make yourself better. All right, OK, that is So what?
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They weren't just, it wasn't just a strap line and and empty
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words. They actually meant it.
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No, yeah, no. They were very, very serious
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about this. You had to post in there every
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single day and if you didn't, everyone in the chat would start
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spamming you and and calling you out at Macca, at Macca.
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OK, haven't seen anything from you today.
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Haven't seen anything. You'd even start getting warning
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strikes if you hadn't. And you got three strikes and,
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and you were out if you didn't. It was a fundamental core for
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the culture that they wanted to have and I love it.
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I think it's fantastic. And did that have to be
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specifically related to the work you did or it could be anything
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about yourself? No, it was actually more leaning
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towards please make sure it's not to do with work.
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Make sure that you are going improving yourself and whether
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that is going out and doing 30 minutes at the gym, going away
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and reading a new book, going away and he's doing something
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for yourself, you know that Go out and eat a meal alone,
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whatever it might be, whatever that might be, you in terms of
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just making yourself 1% better every day.
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That was what they were focused on.
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OK, that's wonderful. That's is really, really great.
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If only more companies actually did that and they would make
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definitely make a big impact. What?
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What do you do right now to kind of better yourself each day?
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I enjoy reading, I definitely enjoy reading, I enjoy
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journaling, I enjoy going to the beach and listening to music
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whilst I whilst I do my yoga. That's important.
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Working out. I tend to prefer more
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calisthenics so my body works when I'm older as opposed to
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sort of just weightlifting. But more of the importance of
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that, just taking the time to actually be in your own head,
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think through things. It's something that Naval
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Ravikan said. A lot of people have trapdoor
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answers to things in life. And so you could ask a question
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and they might be able to give you an answer, but it's really
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something that they may have just sort of taken from someone
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else or just have one layer, layer deep.
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And they haven't thought of the sort of 2nd and 3rd order of
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magnitude. They actually haven't thought
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why. There's no curiosity like a
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child. Children always ask why, why,
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why, why that makes you realize you haven't thought about
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things. So I think I'm quite a pensive
27:13
person. And so therefore I try and think
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about the decisions that I make and why I actually decided to
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make them, and equally the decisions that I will make in
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the future. Right, OK.
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I mean, it's very, very deep, right?
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It's actually really important as well.
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And the fact that we as as we grow up, we stopped asking why
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for some reason. Why?
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I don't know why we stopped asking it, but we should keep on
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asking that Why? And there's the various models,
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the five whys of why do I do this, why do I believe this and
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the like. So that's, yeah, a really good
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point. We're coming towards the top of
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our time now. McKenzie, you are in your mid to
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late 20s now. You took a path that wasn't
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necessarily the conventional path that was expected of you at
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the time. What advice would you give to
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someone who's in their mid to late 20s listening to this
28:03
podcast about how they might get off that that rail track that
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they felt they have to follow or that path their heads follow to
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do the thing that they really want to do?
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Maybe circle back to why? Why you on that path?
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What led you down that path? Was it your choices?
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Was it the society's choices? Was society's influence?
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Was it influence from people who are important to you?
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Because ultimately, you are the only person that's going to be
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with yourself for the entirety of your life.
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I love my fiance with all of my heart.
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Who knows, tomorrow I could wake up and she might not be here,
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that she might wake up and say she doesn't want to be with me.
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So make sure that you're living something with intentionality
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and urgency for yourself. That would be something that I
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think would be very important. And ultimately, what's the worst
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that can happen? I mean, really think about the
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worst case situation. So for me, for example, if my
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business just went absolutely tanks, OK, what's the worst case
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situation that would happen? Well, if I really needed money,
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I would go get a nine to five. So I know a lot of people are
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worried. Well, you know, I can't leave a
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nine to five. I've got bills to pay.
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It's like, well, you have other hours in the day that you could
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go away. You know you have a 5 to 9 that
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you can go and work for yourself, whether that'd be self
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development, whether that'd be working on a business and
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everyone gets the same 24 hours in a day.
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So just make sure you're doing something that you actually want
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to do. It does make life a lot more
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pleasurable from my lived experiences.
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Absolutely, yeah. But you'd be full of safe advice
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today. Mackenzie, thank you very much
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for sharing all of that. We are at the top of our time
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now. If people want to get in touch
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with you or find out more about the work you do, the What All
29:55
Stars, what's the best way for them to contact you?
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The best way is probably through LinkedIn, so I'm sure we can
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drop a link somewhere as repeating.
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Might be. Impossible for them to try and
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find me on now on LinkedIn or they can visit my website
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www.qualityclientacquisitions.com. OK, brilliant.
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Well, thank you very much for joining me on Success Matters.
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I've really enjoyed our conversation and I'm harshly
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jealous that you're in Thailand and about, well, the sunset is
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probably gone, but you know, 40° heat, you said.
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And here I am in like a ready to be cold.
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UK today. Well, I'll send some some sunny
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weather your way. Yes, please to find your
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success, contact me at info at successmatterscoachingcom.
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That's info at successmatterscoachingcom.