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Weekly Review With Clay and Buck H3 - Clay & Buck Are Bringing Sexy Back · The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1: All right, third hour, Clay and Buck. It kicks off
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Speaker 1: right now. And we're joined by the one and only
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Speaker 1: Miranda Devine, our friend from the New York Post, author
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Speaker 1: of some great best-selling books, an expert on many things. Oh,
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Speaker 1: also hosts of Podcast One. Pod Force One. Pod Force One, sorry.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: The host of, or rather the author of many great
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Speaker 1: books and articles, a lot of expertise on different things. Miranda,
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Speaker 1: great to see you. And yes, Pod Force One being
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Speaker 1: the podcast. Thanks for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Fantastic to be with you, Clive and Buck. Thank you
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Speaker 2: for having me.
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Speaker 1: So we have a couple of topics we want to
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Speaker 1: hit with you today. including the Alyssa Slotkin comments if
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Speaker 1: you have time for that. But first off, you have
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Speaker 1: done a deep dive, if you will, into the Ilhan
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Speaker 1: Omar alleged immigration fraud issue. What can you tell us
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Speaker 1: about what you found and what do you see happening now?
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Speaker 2: Well, that was actually back in 2021. And I wrote
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Speaker 2: a story that I had been contacted by a source
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Speaker 2: who there was a group of GOP sort of businessmen,
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Speaker 2: Republican-leaning businessmen, who were outraged about the fact that there
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Speaker 2: was so much circumstantial evidence that Ilhan Omar, the congresswoman,
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Speaker 2: had married her brother illegally to help him get immigration status.
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Speaker 2: And the FBI was doing absolutely nothing. So they decided
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Speaker 2: to get this guy to go and gather the DNA,
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Speaker 2: and then they paid to have a DNA test done.
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Speaker 2: So these people, these private eyes they had, managed to
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Speaker 2: get DNA from a brother who was living in London
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Speaker 2: at the time. as well as Ilhan Omar. And, you know,
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Speaker 2: like they've got cigarette butts and whatever else to do.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of that grubby business, which is why they
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Speaker 2: hide the private eyes. That came back as a 99.99998%
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Speaker 2: match that showed that, according to the DNA, Ilhan Omar
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Speaker 2: was a sibling of the man who was her second husband.
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Speaker 2: In other words, the rumours and scurrilous rumours double-butt about
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Speaker 2: her marrying her brother, he had to be backed up
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Speaker 2: by this DNA evidence. So about a few hours before
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Speaker 2: I was writing this story in August of 2021, a
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Speaker 2: guy who had gathered the evidence, not the, you know,
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Speaker 2: he was sort of the private eye type guy, he
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Speaker 2: was arrested by the FBI. And the website that he'd
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Speaker 2: set up that was supposed to go live just was
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Speaker 2: shut down. And so, you know, we published the story anyway,
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Speaker 2: obviously with less fanfare than we might have if one
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Speaker 2: of the major sources hadn't just been arrested on separate
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Speaker 2: and grubby child sex charges, apparently. And he was in jail.
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Speaker 2: So we still published, but the story kind of went nowhere.
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Speaker 2: It was crushed by... Them journeying up the source. And
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Speaker 2: from my point of view, it didn't really matter how
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Speaker 2: unsavory or not this guy was. The DNA was a
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Speaker 2: legitimate DNA company. The DNA evidence showed a match. It
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Speaker 2: was a story. And then it just all goes dead
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Speaker 2: until now. And my colleague, Josh Christensen, has a source
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Speaker 2: who says that the investigators have DNA that shows her
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Speaker 2: to be a match to her brother.
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Speaker 1: OK, let's dive into this, Miranda.
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Speaker 3: So because I know that there's been a lot of
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Speaker 3: coverage of this, but I think our audience may not
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Speaker 3: know the exact specifics. So I'm going to just kind
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Speaker 3: of step you through it a couple of points here
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Speaker 3: in a row. What percentage chance again did you say
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Speaker 3: that the DNA that your source uncovered showed that they
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Speaker 3: were brother and sister? It was what percentage again?
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Speaker 2: 99.999998. So we've basically gone to six, one, two, three, yeah,
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Speaker 2: six percentage points. So it's basically as close as you get.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: 100% match.
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Speaker 1: That seems pretty close to 100%. All right.
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Speaker 3: So this was a sham marriage. Let's go into the
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Speaker 3: marriage itself now. So the reports are that she married
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Speaker 3: this guy who may well have been her brother and because,
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Speaker 3: and I'm not an expert in immigration law. Some of
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Speaker 3: you have dealt in this. I have watched the television
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Speaker 3: show where the people have to get married and that
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Speaker 3: one of them's a foreigner and everything else.
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Speaker 1: I can't remember what it's called. My wife watches that thing.
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Speaker 3: But you get citizenship over time if you marry someone
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Speaker 3: and they can prove that it's a real marriage. Obviously,
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Speaker 3: marrying your brother... would be a huge crime under immigration law.
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Speaker 3: When did this supposed marriage with this individual who might
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Speaker 3: be her brother occur? And what happened after? How long
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Speaker 3: did they stay married? Where does this guy live now?
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Speaker 3: It sounds like you said, at least at this time,
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Speaker 3: that he was in London. What do we know about
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Speaker 3: this alleged marriage that she was involved in? And how
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Speaker 3: long ago did it happen?
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Speaker 2: Right. Well, so he was her second husband and were,
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Speaker 2: let me just say, So in 2021, his name is
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Speaker 2: Elmi Omar, and they were by that time split. So
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Speaker 2: Elmi Omar, her brother, or the man that we're alleging
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Speaker 2: is her brother, he was then living in the UK,
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Speaker 2: and these private eyes got his DNA from a drinking straw.
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Speaker 2: She then subsequently went on to marry one of her
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Speaker 2: campaign donors.
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Speaker 1: So she's on.
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Speaker 3: Sorry to cut you off. She's on marriage number three.
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Speaker 3: And this was her second husband. It looks like if
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Speaker 3: these allegations are true, this would have been a sham
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Speaker 3: marriage that was designed 100 percent just to get this
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Speaker 3: guy United States citizenship. Is that a fair characterization as
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Speaker 3: as it would appear the investigation would be focused on?
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Speaker 2: Yes. So she married him in 2009. She'd separated from
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Speaker 2: her previous husband or divorced him, I guess, the father
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Speaker 2: of her children. And then they divorced or they separated
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Speaker 2: in some sort of a religious ceremony, Muslim ceremony in 2011.
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Speaker 2: And then they got legally divorced in 2017. Now, this
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Speaker 2: is all happening in Minneapolis, you know, in Minnesota, a
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Speaker 2: very democratic state. And the FBI was obviously being prevailed
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Speaker 2: upon by various people to look into these allegations. And
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Speaker 2: there was a recording that this private eye got from
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Speaker 2: one of the FBI agents. agents in Minneapolis who said, look,
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Speaker 2: we're not looking at it because it's past the statute
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Speaker 2: of limitations. So remember, the marriage was 2009. She's we're
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Speaker 2: doing this in 2021. However, I don't think that there
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Speaker 2: is a statute of limitations on immigration fraud. Certainly, it
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Speaker 2: looks as if I don't know exactly.
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Speaker 1: We looked it up, Miranda. I believe you're correct. There
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Speaker 1: is no statute of limitations on immigration fraud.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead. And I mean, from what we are told
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Speaker 2: from the current investigation, there's multiple strands. A lot of
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Speaker 2: them are immigration. And then you've got Janine Pirro is
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Speaker 2: looking into other financial allegations. But on the immigration front,
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Speaker 2: you have the brother. That's one allegation that she married
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Speaker 2: her brother and then fraudulently represented herself as being a
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Speaker 2: legitimate marriage. And then also that when she was naturalized
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Speaker 2: as an American citizen through her father, that could only
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Speaker 2: happen if she was under 18. And so there's another
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Speaker 2: allegation that he said she was 17, but she was
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Speaker 2: really 18, and that she later on prevailed upon her
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Speaker 2: staff to get that age changed.
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Speaker 1: Let me just jump in here, Miranda and Buck. I
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Speaker 1: bet you would co-sign this.
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Speaker 3: To me, if the investigation is focused on the DNA
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Speaker 3: evidence that she married her brother, that is an open
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Speaker 3: and shut case that I think for most Americans, if
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Speaker 3: that were in an indictment, people would say, even some Democrats,
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Speaker 3: holy crap, like this is a major, major fraud that
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Speaker 3: would have been perpetrated. Arguing about 17 versus 18 can
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Speaker 3: be a fraud. But the marrying the brother thing is
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Speaker 3: the open and shut case, again, with all the DNA evidence.
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Speaker 3: Would you agree with that? I think Buck probably would
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Speaker 3: co-sign on that, that the holy crap sort of moment
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Speaker 3: would be if in this indictment it says she married
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Speaker 3: her brother in an effort to get him citizenship illegally.
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Speaker 3: I think that would be really hard for Democrats to defend.
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Speaker 2: Totally agree. You know, you can sort of find sympathy
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Speaker 2: for the 17 years old, 18 years old thing that
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Speaker 2: her father, maybe, you know, she could say, I didn't
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Speaker 2: know my father did it. But there is no way
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Speaker 2: that as an adult woman in 2009, if she did
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Speaker 2: marry her husband, that she isn't absolutely open-eyed about it
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Speaker 2: and has lied about it ever since, if that was
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Speaker 2: the case, if that allegation is true. You know, the
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Speaker 2: really outrageous thing is that why didn't the FBI do
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Speaker 2: their job? Why did it take these Republican businessmen to
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Speaker 2: spend hundreds of thousands of dollars of their own money
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Speaker 2: to track down her brother in the UK, to track
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Speaker 2: down DNA from both of them, and then pay privately
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Speaker 2: a DNA company in the UK to do this test?
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Speaker 2: Why didn't the FBI do it? Why didn't they do
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Speaker 2: their own DNA tests and clear up the cloud that
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Speaker 2: has hung over Ilhan Omar's head ever since? She herself
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Speaker 2: could have come forward and said, look, this is a
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Speaker 2: ridiculous story He didn't marry my brother. Here's the DNA
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Speaker 2: evidence to show that my ex-husband and I are not related.
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Speaker 2: And that would end it. But she hasn't done that.
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Speaker 2: And so, you know, we're all innocent until proven guilty.
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Speaker 2: But there's a lot of smoke near this fire.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to see if you could just before we close, Miranda,
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Speaker 1: give us your thoughts. I'm sure you've seen or heard
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Speaker 1: or both the Alyssa Slotkin. I want to. Go after
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Speaker 1: people so that they're scared to work in a Trump administration,
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Speaker 1: meaning I want the law to be used to terrify
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Speaker 1: my political opponents. You're no stranger to the rough and
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Speaker 1: tumble of politics. You were at the very forefront of
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Speaker 1: pointing out all of the criminality of Hunter Biden and
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Speaker 1: all the all the rest of it. What did you
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Speaker 1: make of Alyssa Slotkin? Is this just telling us what
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Speaker 1: all Democrats believe? Is there something else to it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, she just said out loud what
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Speaker 2: we know they've been doing. And they did with all
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Speaker 2: the lawfare and when, you know, Lisa Monaco weaponized the
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Speaker 2: Department of Justice under Joe Biden to come after Trump
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Speaker 2: and all his allies. And, yeah. I think she's, Alyssa
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Speaker 2: Slotkin is from, she's a former CIA analyst, worked under
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Speaker 2: John Brennan. She's alert the data.
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Speaker 1: We worked in the same office, Miranda. Side note, not
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Speaker 1: all of us were bad. Go ahead.
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Speaker 2: You did? You did?
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 4: Wow.
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Speaker 2: You worked alongside her. You knew her.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know her, actually. I think we might have
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Speaker 1: been in the conference room together once or twice. She
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Speaker 1: left right around when I joined the Iraq team, but
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Speaker 1: go ahead.
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Speaker 2: Right. Well, you came over to the light side and
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Speaker 2: she went over to the dark side, it seems to me. And,
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Speaker 2: I mean, you would understand better than most people what
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Speaker 2: you learn in those intelligence agencies about, you know, how to...
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Speaker 2: how to manipulate democracies for good, for America's national security.
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Speaker 2: But I think some people like she and John Brennan
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Speaker 2: took the wrong lessons from that. And they are now
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Speaker 2: using those arts against their political opponents. And she is
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Speaker 2: proud of it. And she said this in the University
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Speaker 2: of Chicago last weekend. It's really chilling and inspiring. Basically,
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Speaker 2: she said she wanted a deterrence message, is how she
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Speaker 2: called it, to young people to dissuade them, to scare
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Speaker 2: them out of wanting to go and work for the
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Speaker 2: Trump administration because she said, we are going to come
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Speaker 2: after not the president because he's got immunity, we'll probably
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Speaker 2: still try, but the people who she calls enabled him.
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Speaker 2: So that's the people who work for him, his administration people,
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Speaker 2: She's named some of the ones she wants to target.
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Speaker 2: Doug Burgum, the Interior Secretary. Janine Pirro, she wanted to
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Speaker 2: come after Kristi Noem. She probably would have come after
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Speaker 2: Tom Homan, you know, Scott Besant. I mean, this is
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Speaker 2: not normal politics. This is really quite sick and scary,
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Speaker 2: and it's very authoritarian.
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Speaker 1: Last question for you. Yeah, sorry.
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Speaker 3: Last question for you here as we're coming up on
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Speaker 3: a break, Miranda. I said I think Ilhan Omar is
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Speaker 3: going to be charged based on the fact that this
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Speaker 3: warrant was signed off on. You have way more information
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Speaker 3: based on what you have reported and looked into in
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Speaker 3: her past before, too. So two-parter quickly to close. Do
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Speaker 3: you think she'll be charged as well as like me?
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Speaker 3: And what's the time frame to you on when the
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Speaker 3: charging might happen?
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Speaker 2: Look, I don't think anything will happen before the midterms.
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Speaker 2: I do think that the fact that you've had the warrant,
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Speaker 2: the search warrant signed off by a, you know, Democrat
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Speaker 2: judge very much, and I think an Obama appointed judge,
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Speaker 2: there must be good evidence there. to go against the grain.
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Speaker 2: So I don't think that Todd Blanche would go half-cocked
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Speaker 2: into doing something like this so close to the election
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Speaker 2: if they didn't have really good evidence that they were
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Speaker 2: worried would get disappeared if they didn't do the search
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Speaker 2: immediately of her home.
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Speaker 1: Amen. Miranda Devine, keep up the good work.
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Speaker 3: If you hear any more about this case, we of
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Speaker 3: course would love to have you back on, but thank you.
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Speaker 1: For the time today.
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Speaker 2: Perfect. Thanks so much. Bye.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back in clay and buck. Can you imagine.
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Speaker 3: Marrying your brother and deciding that you wanted to do politics?
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Speaker 3: You got to be a crazy person or a sociopath.
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Speaker 3: People worry about skeletons in their closet.
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Speaker 1: Just what Miranda divine told us.
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Speaker 3: Imagine marrying your brother to illegally commit fraud on immigration basis.
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Speaker 1: And then you decide to run for Congress?
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Speaker 3: Most people are afraid if they had some minor flaw
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Speaker 3: in their background that they're going to get raked over
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Speaker 3: the coals. She married her brother, it sounds like, Buck,
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Speaker 3: and thought she was going to get away with it
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Speaker 3: and has. This is going to be a holy crap
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Speaker 1: Welcome back in to Clay and Buck. Interesting, Clay. That
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Speaker 1: We are joined now by Brittany Hugo-Boom. She is the
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Speaker 1: in the beauty world. Good to have you, Brittany, as always.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. Victoria's Secret Fashion Show. Now, look,
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Speaker 1: I only read about it. Clay watched it. I only
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Speaker 1: read about it. So if one of us is going
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Speaker 1: to have more. Actually, no, I may have to take
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Speaker 1: that back. Clay, was there a football game on during it?
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Speaker 1: Because then you probably only caught.
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Speaker 3: I think there was a football game on during it,
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Speaker 3: but I'm going to out myself before anybody else does. Brittany,
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Speaker 3: a few years ago, I watched it. My wife will
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Speaker 3: attest to this. I immediately went to Victoria's Secret and
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Speaker 1: But so There we go. So now give us, if
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Speaker 1: you would, Brittany, your review of this, because here's the
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Speaker 1: the guys listening are like, yeah, we can talk about
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Speaker 1: Victoria's Secret all day. For some of the ladies who
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Speaker 1: are wondering, though, why are we talking about this? There
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Speaker 1: I watched some clips of the show on the news.
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Speaker 1: To be honest, I've seen some of the.
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Speaker 3: Research purposes because you have an obligation on behalf of
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: As one does. Yes. But I also saw a clip
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Speaker 1: where it seemed that there was a transgender model walking
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Speaker 1: happened here. What's going on? Is beauty back in style?
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Speaker 1: You have the floor.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, beauty is definitely back and everyone wants a
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Speaker 5: part of it. And I think that's what Victoria's Secret
20:54
Speaker 5: is trying to do, but they're not able to fully
20:57
Speaker 5: understand it. I don't know if you saw they did
20:59
Speaker 5: this whole documentary Angels Among Us where they're trying to
21:02
Speaker 5: scout and cast a model to walk in the show.
21:04
Speaker 5: And they see this really obese girl and the judge
21:08
Speaker 5: is like, oh, this is the girl. She's beautiful. And
21:11
Speaker 5: then the Italian guy next to her is like, oh, yeah,
21:13
Speaker 5: she's great. Just like her walk is bad. And it's like,
21:16
Speaker 5: he's Italian. You know what he's thinking, but they have
21:18
Speaker 5: to pretend. They're like, oh, her walk's bad. It's not because,
21:21
Speaker 5: you know.
21:22
Speaker 1: She's on a walk so good.
21:26
Speaker 5: The problem that there is, is they use a lot
21:28
Speaker 5: of the icons everybody loves. Everybody loves Adriana Lima, Candice Wan-Pol,
21:33
Speaker 5: Jasmine Tooks. They did reject a couple. They rejected Romy
21:36
Speaker 5: and Lais Ribeiro, which is awful.
21:39
Speaker 6: But at the same time, it's like they.
21:42
Speaker 5: The thing that made Victoria's Secret so effective is that
21:45
Speaker 5: women wanted to be them and men wanted to be
21:47
Speaker 5: with them.
21:48
Speaker 6: And it has to go through the male gaze to
21:49
Speaker 6: an extent.
21:51
Speaker 5: And their problem is because they don't understand that, they
21:54
Speaker 5: can only use the older iconic models, but they cannot
21:57
Speaker 5: discover a young, beautiful woman who they would have discovered
22:01
Speaker 5: back in the day for Victoria's Secret. Like Barbara Palvin
22:03
Speaker 5: was the last one. She was discovered at 18 and
22:05
Speaker 5: she just walked the runway six weeks postpartum.
22:07
Speaker 6: She looked Fantastic. I'm a huge fan of her, but it's.
22:10
Speaker 5: Been very interesting. They're trying to get a part of it,
22:13
Speaker 5: but they don't know how to do it. So they're
22:14
Speaker 5: just like resorting to using the same models that they
22:17
Speaker 5: know that people like. And then everyone they add in
22:20
Speaker 5: is like more plus size or like not not a
22:23
Speaker 5: girl that would have made the cut 10 years ago.
22:25
Speaker 1: OK, so I think this is important.
22:27
Speaker 3: Classical standards of beauty exist and have existed for a
22:31
Speaker 3: very long time in both male and male and female form.
22:35
Speaker 3: I mean, we can go back to Michelangelo's David. and
22:38
Speaker 3: understand why it was considered and why all of the
22:41
Speaker 3: ancient Roman, ancient Greek statues typically were of people that
22:46
Speaker 3: looked classically beautiful. It matters, I think, that suddenly they
22:52
Speaker 3: started telling us, oh, androgynous, overweight, unattractive people are actually
22:58
Speaker 3: who we should aspire to look like. I'm sure you remember, Brittany,
23:02
Speaker 3: seeing when, for instance, Nike would have super obese women
23:06
Speaker 3: and argue, Oh, they're great athletes too. Um, why does class,
23:11
Speaker 3: why do classical standards of beauty matter? And why does
23:14
Speaker 3: it matter culturally in your mind, not only for women,
23:18
Speaker 3: but also for men, as I have said for some time,
23:21
Speaker 3: underwear would be in trouble. If I was the male
23:23
Speaker 3: underwear model, I'll just put it that way.
23:25
Speaker 2: Right.
23:25
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's going to be like, I want
23:26
Speaker 3: to look like that fat dad. Uh, when I put
23:28
Speaker 3: on this underwear, what, why does this matter for people
23:31
Speaker 3: out there who say, what is the importance of a
23:34
Speaker 3: story such as this?
23:36
Speaker 2: Yeah.
23:36
Speaker 6: Beauty matters.
23:37
Speaker 5: I mean, objective beauty has always mattered. It inspires people.
23:40
Speaker 5: It inspires men to be better. It inspires women to
23:43
Speaker 5: be better. So it's like you go, you look at
23:44
Speaker 5: the beautiful churches and the architecture and everything they did
23:47
Speaker 5: in Italy and people wanted to worship. They love the
23:51
Speaker 5: beauty and kind of the un-uglifying that they did the
23:56
Speaker 5: last 10 years. It's like, you're not inspired by, no offense,
24:02
Speaker 5: McDonald's or whatever. It's just not pretty. And it's like
24:06
Speaker 5: men and women by nature want to be inspired. It's
24:08
Speaker 5: why we love beautiful movies. It's why we love beautiful people.
24:11
Speaker 5: And they still refuse to accept that objective beauty exists.
24:15
Speaker 2: To an extent.
24:16
Speaker 5: And so because of it, they just don't know how
24:19
Speaker 5: to cast a beautiful young new model, which is a shame.
24:23
Speaker 5: And it was great seeing all the old icons there,
24:25
Speaker 5: but We love beauty. I want to be better. And
24:28
Speaker 5: I think that Gen Z is very into beauty, much
24:31
Speaker 5: more than millennials. Millennials like more the relatable than aspirational. Obviously,
24:35
Speaker 5: I can't speak to all of them, but in general.
24:37
Speaker 5: And now we're kind of going back to this aspirational.
24:39
Speaker 5: And Gen Z is like, where's my Adriana Lima? Where's
24:41
Speaker 5: my Megan Fox? Where's my Dawson? They want to see that.
24:45
Speaker 5: And that's why I think Tate McRae is also very
24:47
Speaker 5: big right now.
24:48
Speaker 1: I think it's also interesting. I know you recently interviewed
24:53
Speaker 1: Candice Swanpole's trainer, And one thing that I know just
24:58
Speaker 1: from living, to be clear, before all the emails come in,
25:02
Speaker 1: I do not pretend that I embody this. But for
25:05
Speaker 1: people who are truly making a living off of their appearance,
25:09
Speaker 1: like these Victoria's Secret models, you spoke to Candice Swan,
25:12
Speaker 1: Pulse trainer. It is a job. And I think that
25:15
Speaker 1: that's also another there's there's a respect to that people sometimes. Yes,
25:18
Speaker 1: you have to be genetically gifted. There's no question about that.
25:21
Speaker 1: And so that's just, you know, God gives different things
25:24
Speaker 1: to different people. But to maintain and to compete at
25:27
Speaker 1: the level of being one of these women who's walking
25:30
Speaker 1: the Victoria's Secret, it is a full time lifestyle job
25:35
Speaker 1: all in for. And if you could speak to that
25:38
Speaker 1: a little bit, what do the trainers say? I mean,
25:39
Speaker 1: I assume it's there's a real regimen involved for Candace Swanpole.
25:45
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
25:45
Speaker 5: I mean, it's the Olympics for supermodels. It was like
25:48
Speaker 5: the biggest event of the year for the most beautiful
25:50
Speaker 5: woman in the world. And a lot of the supermodels
25:53
Speaker 5: were upset with the whole body positivity movement because they
25:56
Speaker 5: were like, you know, I'm eating my egg whites and
25:59
Speaker 5: my kale and my this and my that. And then
26:00
Speaker 5: this girl's eating three slices of pizza and she's on
26:03
Speaker 5: the cover of Sports Illustrated. So a lot of them
26:04
Speaker 5: were pissed off about it, but they're not going to
26:06
Speaker 5: say it because then they're like, oh, boohoo, hot girl.
26:09
Speaker 5: But they train also a totally different way. I have
26:11
Speaker 5: an app, 28 Wellness, and the workouts were designed by
26:14
Speaker 5: the supermodel trainers, which you.
26:15
Speaker 6: Guys can download.
26:16
Speaker 5: There's like a partner sharing thing too, so that men
26:20
Speaker 5: can get on it, women can get on it. It
26:21
Speaker 5: tracks your cycles, but it's workouts around your cycles. But
26:24
Speaker 5: they train a totally different way. They actually aren't working
26:27
Speaker 5: that hard. And Justin too, you know, justingelban.com, you can
26:31
Speaker 5: look them up, but they train to like slim you
26:35
Speaker 5: down without bulking.
26:37
Speaker 6: And it's, It's just totally different. So they're not working
26:39
Speaker 6: that hard.
26:39
Speaker 5: People are like, oh, they have four hours a day
26:41
Speaker 5: to work out and they have the best nutritionists in
26:43
Speaker 5: the world.
26:45
Speaker 6: You don't need to pay a million.
26:46
Speaker 5: Dollars for someone to tell you to have hard-boiled eggs
26:49
Speaker 5: and protein and fruit and vegetables. It's not some mystery
26:54
Speaker 5: that they have. They're very disciplined. And I think discipline
26:56
Speaker 5: is attractive. And you see that with athletes, but nobody
26:59
Speaker 5: complains that like, oh, that athlete's unrealistic because they can
27:02
Speaker 5: run a 440 mile or whatever. And I can't, but
27:05
Speaker 5: with models, people get really upset about it. Like with
27:08
Speaker 5: Barbara Palvin, she's six weeks postpartum. She's not saying anyone
27:11
Speaker 5: has to look like her, but she looks incredible. And
27:13
Speaker 5: it makes women feel bad, which is sad. You know,
27:15
Speaker 5: you should, you should feel happy for her. Even if
27:17
Speaker 5: you don't look like her, I always like gain a
27:20
Speaker 5: ton of weight pregnant wise.
27:22
Speaker 1: And it is what it is.
27:23
Speaker 6: I still love that girls lose it.
27:25
Speaker 2: You know?
27:26
Speaker 3: The analogy that I've made is that Victoria's Secret models
27:29
Speaker 3: are like NBA lottery picks. Their bodies are freakish and aspirational.
27:35
Speaker 3: And I think the other one you can use is
27:37
Speaker 3: certainly superheroes. I mean, superheroes don't look like most men,
27:40
Speaker 3: but men can aspire to in some way be the
27:43
Speaker 3: best version of themselves. Let me ask you this, Brittany.
27:47
Speaker 3: You mentioned Sidney Sweeney just a second ago. She was
27:50
Speaker 3: getting ripped to the high heavens for the sexy sports
27:53
Speaker 3: gambling ads that she did. I couldn't get over that
27:57
Speaker 3: when Shane Gillis said women basically dress like whores in
28:01
Speaker 3: the gym now. All these women came out and defended
28:05
Speaker 3: and said it was sexist to criticize women's gym attire,
28:09
Speaker 3: but yet they were criticizing Sidney Sweeney for being sexy
28:12
Speaker 3: in an ad. I think I could speak for Buck, too.
28:15
Speaker 3: We're pro-sexy, but what is going on in the world?
28:18
Speaker 3: How much of Sidney Sweeney being attacked is just the
28:21
Speaker 3: fact that she's a Republican? And so other people decide
28:24
Speaker 3: they don't like her. And what did you think? I'm
28:27
Speaker 3: sure you've been in the gym quite a bit over
28:28
Speaker 3: the years. What did you think of Shane Gillis's analysis
28:32
Speaker 3: of the outfits that women now wear.
28:33
Speaker 1: In the gym?
28:37
Speaker 5: Oh, this is a great question. Taylor Ferber, actually, one
28:39
Speaker 5: of our editors, wrote an amazing piece on this. You
28:41
Speaker 5: should go on EV Magazine dot com and search it
28:43
Speaker 5: where she talks about the hypocrisy about Sidney Sweeney and Shane.
28:47
Speaker 5: I ironically actually haven't been in the gym. I dress
28:50
Speaker 5: in oversized pants and oversized shirts, actually, because I was
28:53
Speaker 5: a martial artist growing up. So I don't even see that.
28:56
Speaker 5: But when I go to Pilates, all the girls like,
28:58
Speaker 5: you know, showing their abs and looking hot. And I
29:02
Speaker 5: don't know, I work out with girls. So it's hard
29:03
Speaker 5: for me to say I haven't even been to a gym.
29:05
Speaker 5: But it is ironic. I feel like she gets a
29:07
Speaker 5: lot of hate, but it's because she caters to the
29:09
Speaker 5: male gaze because she loves men.
29:11
Speaker 6: She's like happier on men. She smiles. It's kind of
29:13
Speaker 6: the same thing that happened to Indy. People love a girl.
29:16
Speaker 5: They're like, she's amazing. Her profile is incredible. And then
29:18
Speaker 5: all of a sudden she starts liking men and goofing
29:21
Speaker 5: around with men. All of a sudden it's like, oh, no, no, no,
29:23
Speaker 5: we don't like her. She's not a girl's girl. Like
29:25
Speaker 5: she's for the guys. So it's just kind of the
29:27
Speaker 5: differentiating there that gets the women mad.
29:32
Speaker 2: Yes.
29:32
Speaker 1: And it certainly seems to be the case to Clay
29:35
Speaker 1: that there are a lot of women weighing in on
29:36
Speaker 1: this who I certainly don't think dress that way. at
29:40
Speaker 1: the gym, and that's for the benefit of all. Again,
29:43
Speaker 1: my take on this would just be, if you want
29:45
Speaker 1: to dress sexy at the gym, that you're right. But then,
29:49
Speaker 1: and maybe this is the question, Brittany, if you dress sexy,
29:53
Speaker 1: men are going to notice. And I think there's a
29:55
Speaker 1: lot of men who are just out there saying, if
29:57
Speaker 1: you're going to be in booty shorts and a sports bra,
30:00
Speaker 1: I'm going to notice you when I'm taking breaks between
30:03
Speaker 1: my sets in the gym. That's not harassive behavior. Certainly,
30:06
Speaker 1: I don't need to be in the background of your
30:08
Speaker 1: video being called out. And if women are going to
30:12
Speaker 1: take these videos not wearing many clothes and post them
30:14
Speaker 1: on the Internet, as many of these fitness influencers do,
30:18
Speaker 1: do they not think that men are watching them on
30:20
Speaker 1: the Internet? I don't understand how you can be upset
30:22
Speaker 1: men see you in real life, but you're totally fine
30:25
Speaker 1: with men watching you on the Internet. It seems like,
30:27
Speaker 1: I know Buck has pointed this out, that maybe some
30:30
Speaker 1: of these women are not being that consistent in their criticisms.
30:34
Speaker 5: It's funny you say that because I hadn't even heard
30:36
Speaker 5: Shane's comments. And all of a sudden I just kept
30:38
Speaker 5: seeing girls post their butt on the internet and they were.
30:40
Speaker 1: Like, take that Shane.
30:41
Speaker 5: And I was like, I feel like it was kind
30:45
Speaker 5: of became an excuse for girls to just post photos
30:48
Speaker 5: of their butt and be like, look how good I look.
30:50
Speaker 6: And it's like, You know, you look great. But, you know.
30:53
Speaker 3: I would also point out, Brittany, that I'm sure Shane
30:57
Speaker 3: Gillis was mortified that women were tagging him with their
31:00
Speaker 3: ass pics, talking about how he should take that.
31:03
Speaker 1: It's one of the funniest protests I've ever seen. Yeah,
31:06
Speaker 1: they taught him a lesson he'll never forget.
31:10
Speaker 5: If you want to get hot photos of women, just
31:12
Speaker 5: tell them that they dress, you know, horribly and, you know,
31:15
Speaker 5: like and.
31:17
Speaker 1: I guess whorishly. Tell me this, Brittany. What's next? What's
31:21
Speaker 1: next in Evie magazine? What are some things, you know,
31:24
Speaker 1: where we have some some lots of ladies listening, lots
31:28
Speaker 1: of lots of beautiful moms, beautiful moms listen to this show.
31:32
Speaker 1: So they're going to subscribe to Evie. What's coming up?
31:36
Speaker 5: Yeah, we actually we have a great print issue coming
31:38
Speaker 5: up for you guys. Go to Evie print dot com.
31:40
Speaker 5: Get the other issues before they sell out. Um, but yeah,
31:43
Speaker 5: we have a really good issue coming soon for you guys.
31:45
Speaker 5: And we've started doing a little bit more on YouTube.
31:47
Speaker 5: So if there are any guests you guys want to
31:48
Speaker 5: see on Evie, let me know.
31:50
Speaker 3: I want you to do, I said this before, um,
31:52
Speaker 3: an SEC tailgate edition, which I think would kill. Um,
31:56
Speaker 3: and also people are going to get upset with me
31:58
Speaker 3: for saying this, but if you have not been to
32:00
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32:03
Speaker 3: on the, uh, Gulf of America, uh, I would bet, Brittany,
32:06
Speaker 3: that there is no place in America that over-indexes for
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Speaker 3: your audience more than the people who.
32:12
Speaker 2: Go to RDA.
32:13
Speaker 4: Yeah.
32:14
Speaker 1: I also think EV Magazine could do a whole expose
32:18
Speaker 1: on the underappreciated dad bod and how dad bods are
32:23
Speaker 1: really what all the hot moms want, you know, because
32:26
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32:29
Speaker 1: Just throwing that out. Just an idea. I'm just putting
32:31
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32:34
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35:09
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Speaker 1: Will she? This is cut 20.
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Speaker 4: But if the Democrats want to win, I don't think
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Speaker 4: moderate Democrats, and I think they could sweep.
35:36
Speaker 3: And they're men.
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Speaker 2: And they're men.
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Speaker 4: But if there was someone of that caliber, Alyssa Slotkin,
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Speaker 4: too young and a senator.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Sarah.
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Speaker 6: Give me a female out here.
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Speaker 4: She's someone I'll have my eye on down the road
35:48
Speaker 4: when she comes around, but that's a female that I
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Speaker 3: This is a fun conversation, Buck, and we can potentially
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Speaker 1: They should really just have us on the view to
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Speaker 3: But do you think Democrats have post-traumatic stress syndrome, whatever
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Speaker 3: you want to call it, from losing with women at
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Speaker 3: the top of the ticket twice, such that it's going
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Speaker 3: to take a while for a woman to be nominated again?
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Speaker 1: Yes, I absolutely think so. Even though they won't really
36:16
Speaker 1: say it publicly necessarily? Yes, but they believe it, and
36:19
Speaker 1: it's a problem. And I'll also say this, Clay. The
36:22
Speaker 1: smart ones know maybe Kamala can win a primary. Kamala
36:27
Speaker 1: in a general is nightmare fuel for them.