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Football at Four: Taking an Updated Look at Eagles Defensive Development in Camp · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Fanatics Sports Book. Adam Kaplan is here. Vic Fangio spoke
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  Speaker 1: earlier today. We talked a little bit about what he
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  Speaker 1: had to say. So let's look at the defensive roster
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  Speaker 1: development that he has in front of him. He did
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  Speaker 1: say something about he's like, we don't have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of young new players on this team, Adam. So let's
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  Speaker 1: take a look at the defensive development so far where
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  Speaker 1: this team is all right.
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  Speaker 2: So they've had sixth practices, Mike, So it's good because always,
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  Speaker 2: I mean not all, but mostly our segments have been
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  Speaker 2: on offense, about the development of past game timing, past
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  Speaker 2: starter group, helpfully offensive lineman. We've exhausted our discussion on offense. Well,
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  Speaker 2: let's finally take a deep dive on defense. Let's get
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  Speaker 2: started up up front, Mike, you do they run a
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  Speaker 2: thirty four front, two overhangs. It's you know who the
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  Speaker 2: starters are. Jomo Is can't out a new contract. We
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  Speaker 2: noted this months ago. He changed representation, went to athletes first.
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  Speaker 2: So they're going to get a new deal. Will not
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  Speaker 2: be easy because they're ready paying Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter,
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  Speaker 2: who will get to in a minute, top dollar. Ojomo
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  Speaker 2: what a seventh round pick, Mike. Think about how good
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  Speaker 2: of a football player he is. He's a seventh round pick.
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  Speaker 2: So Jordan Davis could uh.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, on who said last week that they
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  Speaker 1: had to pay It was that Fansio that said that
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  Speaker 1: that he's gonna have to get his money too, save money.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, how he's got to save money for Jomo.
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  Speaker 2: Now here's the thing. Okay, Davis and Carter are going
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  Speaker 2: to be here long time. Right. If Ojomo does not
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  Speaker 2: get his extension and he walks, he's on the finie
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  Speaker 2: rivers rookie deal. They don't have another starter. Ty Robinson's
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  Speaker 2: done nothing so far. Byron Young has been a quality
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  Speaker 2: waiver claim. He is their first d tach off the bench.
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  Speaker 2: He's not being challenged that that job's already won. He
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  Speaker 2: was claimed off Waiver's Mike in August of last year,
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  Speaker 2: and as the season went along he became the top backup.
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  Speaker 2: Just a great story of development, Really good job of
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  Speaker 2: Howie Roseman, the general manager and his pro personnel staff
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  Speaker 2: identifying this player. And he could play the nose, he
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  Speaker 2: could play the five technique or the seven. Just a
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  Speaker 2: good football player. The Raiders screwed up and cutting him
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  Speaker 2: after one year. That was dumb.
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  Speaker 1: Now the Raiders have made a mistake. Go figure, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 2: Now they've got exactly They've got Gabe Hall, number ninety six. Who.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Mike. We talked about this last
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  Speaker 2: summer and I'm going to remind people he had a
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  Speaker 2: really good camp. He's got one problem. He's a tweener.
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  Speaker 2: He's long, he's got great length. Decent athlete. Wasn't drafted
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  Speaker 2: for a reason. There was a knock on his energy
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  Speaker 2: for the game didn't always show up. But man, the
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  Speaker 2: light went on for him. But here's the problem. He's
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  Speaker 2: really not a nose tackle. He's really not an edge rusher.
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  Speaker 2: He's not a pass rusher. He's he's got ability, but
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't. He just you're not. They're not going to
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  Speaker 2: keep six defensive tackles fake, that's unheard of. How he's
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  Speaker 2: done it before. He fooled us one year and then
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  Speaker 2: then they traded kintav Street very quickly after that, so
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  Speaker 2: they went to five. In fact, they actually had seven
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  Speaker 2: at one point, which is ridiculous. But you don't really
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  Speaker 2: keep six. So Gabe Hall is going to be tough
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  Speaker 2: to keep. Ty Robinson still, Mike not standing out. He
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  Speaker 2: needs to earnest roster spot. Harry Roseman has cut forth
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  Speaker 2: front picks after one year before. I hasn't done it much,
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  Speaker 2: done a couple of times, but he's got to get
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  Speaker 2: it going. And there's you are Bernard, who Vic talked
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  Speaker 2: about today. He's light years away. He's as we as
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  Speaker 2: we've said on our show. Andrew and I dropped a
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  Speaker 2: show this morning, which is an overview of both sides
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  Speaker 2: of the football. But he's at the hal part. He's
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  Speaker 2: learning how to play football. Eventually, he wanted to get
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  Speaker 2: to the why when we'll ask about why do we
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  Speaker 2: do this? He's not there yet. And they got Zion
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  Speaker 2: Wilson is a very intriguing I was gonna.
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  Speaker 1: Say I like him. My girlfriend went to East Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: so I saw it play a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, very Yeah. He's he's a pretty good athlete,
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  Speaker 2: had draftable grades from clubs. So he's a guy to
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  Speaker 2: watch as we go through. And also the preseason is
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  Speaker 2: going to determine Mike. So I was telling Andrew on
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  Speaker 2: our show this morning, there are so many backup jobs.
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  Speaker 2: As one person said to me, forty five to fifty three.
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  Speaker 2: Good luck trying to figure it out. There are a
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  Speaker 2: lot of job backup jobs open this year.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Zion Wilson sixty three, like three and twenty pound,
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  Speaker 1: he's just a mabboth man. And as you said, Ojomo
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  Speaker 1: was a seventh round pig. What's to say that an
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  Speaker 1: undrafted kid doesn't, you know, stick out. He would be
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  Speaker 1: an interesting guy to kind of keep an eye on there.
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  Speaker 1: Let's go to the Edge crew here, because he did
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  Speaker 1: talk about Eba Kenny. I thought, you know, I feel
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  Speaker 1: like he's not getting like people are almost looking at
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  Speaker 1: him as like the way that they sign o Ja
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  Speaker 1: and what's his name last year from the Giants, Oh Jalai.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, said then Obo Conker yes, yeah, who are all
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  Speaker 2: edge threshers. But so Andrew made a really good point
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  Speaker 2: because he'd been noticing Ebiketty and ironically, what did Vic
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  Speaker 2: talk about today? Eb Ketty didn't really stand out because
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  Speaker 2: he had to learn the scheme in OTAs. Remember they
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  Speaker 2: only had six practices. Well, he comes in here insteadily,
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  Speaker 2: gotten better, and he really likes what he sees. He's
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  Speaker 2: going to make four point three million. They guaranteed all
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  Speaker 2: of it. He'll be the fourth edge thresher. Mike, and
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  Speaker 2: as I talked about last time with you, aj Epanessa
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  Speaker 2: has been my sleeper like he is. I'm a little
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  Speaker 2: surprised at how much he stood out now, Andrew and
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  Speaker 2: I see to him the same way. He may be
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  Speaker 2: listed as too eighty. He looks about two forty. There
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  Speaker 2: was over six five these really long He's a guy
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  Speaker 2: to kind of watch. Look, ideally, you really don't need
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  Speaker 2: to keep six edge rushers or even five. Dave Keishaon
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  Speaker 2: James Newby has heard is a major long shot to
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  Speaker 2: be there to make the team. But Grenard, Look, Harry
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  Speaker 2: Rosen made it pretty clear Gredard will be ready by
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  Speaker 2: week one. Now, how ready's going to be? We don't.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody knows. They can't have answer that, So we'll have
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  Speaker 2: to see what happens when he comes back. But there's
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  Speaker 2: absolutely a chance to keep five added rushers. But Mike,
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  Speaker 2: as we tell people, when you keep when you go
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  Speaker 2: heavy one position, you got to go light elsewhere. And
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  Speaker 2: that then, and when we get to the secondary that
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  Speaker 2: I'll explain a lot more of this, and then I
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  Speaker 2: think when you really look at it, as we told
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  Speaker 2: you when he was drafted, John Kim was not drafted
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  Speaker 2: to be an edge rusher. That was false. He was
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  Speaker 2: drafted to be, first of all and foremost an insideline
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  Speaker 2: back and me down the line when they felt comfortable
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  Speaker 2: he could get edge snaps and nickel. Well, what happened
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  Speaker 2: was on bass downs he played the edge, but as
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  Speaker 2: a run defender, not as an ed pure edge rusher.
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  Speaker 2: So all that talk about edge rush, it just never happened,
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  Speaker 2: and they don't have any plan for him to do it.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, let's go to that linebacker spot because we
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  Speaker 1: could be having this conversation five years ago and saying, man,
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  Speaker 1: they are really light here, how about now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, and look where it's kind of like with
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  Speaker 2: edge rusher. Okay, We know that Gurnard, once he's healthy,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be a starter. I still feel like
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  Speaker 2: I have all off season Hunt should beat out Smith.
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  Speaker 2: Epichetti's the four, so you only play four. Well, now,
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  Speaker 2: this is where Andrew and I had an interesting discussion.
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  Speaker 2: He did point out correctly and that they didn't do
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  Speaker 2: it a lot. But later in the season when Nikobe
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  Speaker 2: Dean came back instead of Kuntig Smile Mandan, they kept
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  Speaker 2: him and when he was active, he only played on
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  Speaker 2: special teams. The only time he would play on defense
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  Speaker 2: was when there was a blowout. They pulled everybody out
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  Speaker 2: and then he played. But he would only really play
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  Speaker 2: on special teams. That was his role strictly. So this
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  Speaker 2: year it's Bond and Campbell. Johd's back. We he does
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  Speaker 2: not look as big physically. We don't know because of
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  Speaker 2: the shoulder what he was able to do in terms
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  Speaker 2: of working out and lifting. Trotter's the clear three. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: Vic Fangio was effusive this praise today. But he having
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  Speaker 2: his best camp and remember Vic's benning with him the
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  Speaker 2: whole way. Vic and Tratter came in in twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: Manon is the four. Now Chance Campbell Vic said not
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  Speaker 2: to sleep on today. He would I put him on
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  Speaker 2: my list. It was my sleeper list. The difference between
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  Speaker 2: last year and keeping five and this year a completely
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  Speaker 2: different chance. Campbell was not drafted by the Eagles. He
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  Speaker 2: said he was drafted by the Titans. But he's a
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  Speaker 2: big injury history of the Eagles put no money into him.
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  Speaker 2: It's highly unlikely he'll make it again. If you're keeping
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  Speaker 2: five and you're never dressing five to play like you
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  Speaker 2: because Mon and Mike see here's the problem with camp
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  Speaker 2: will make it. Manon is already ahead of him on
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  Speaker 2: special teams, so why would you keep five? It makes
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  Speaker 2: no sense to Yantie Lawson's also there, who's a very
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  Speaker 2: intriguing player. Absolutely would have been drafted in third or
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  Speaker 2: fourth round if not for the ACL injury. So he's
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  Speaker 2: obviously not gonna make it. But they have really good depth.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the thing, it's pretty.
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  Speaker 1: Young, well right, and I mean it almost feels like
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  Speaker 1: if one of the guys goes like last year you
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  Speaker 1: had Dean get hurt, Campbell stepped in, would Trotter be
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  Speaker 1: able to step in and start?
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  Speaker 2: They do. They feel really good about that. We noted
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  Speaker 2: from someone We talked to that Trotter was tremendous in
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  Speaker 2: practice last season, really good, and you know, he didn't
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  Speaker 2: get a lot of defensive stats because Campbell stepped in,
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  Speaker 2: as you said, for Dean, and when Dean came back,
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  Speaker 2: Campbell didn't start anymore because Dean was unbelievable. One of
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  Speaker 2: the incredible stories. But yeah, they're stock Man, They really
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  Speaker 2: are in good shape there at inside backer.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, football four, we're talking with Adam Kaplan. We're
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  Speaker 1: taking a look at the roster development in training camp.
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  Speaker 1: They got a lot of questions. It's safe.
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  Speaker 2: Major Vic did talk about how Macoba's looking good, he's healthy,
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  Speaker 2: he's got a better understanding what he's doing. Marcus EPs
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  Speaker 2: clearly over Michael Carter, but it's close. In fact, Vic
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  Speaker 2: talked about this is interesting and I did notice this
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  Speaker 2: in my notes here, that that Carters were playing a
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  Speaker 2: lot of nickel went when Degene to give Degene arrest,
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  Speaker 2: so Degenias have to have every nickel. He's the second
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  Speaker 2: team nickel over mac McWilliams than anyone else they have.
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  Speaker 2: And they also is playing dime safety, so he's got
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  Speaker 2: definitely going to be on the team. But dying by
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  Speaker 2: the way six defense backs Mike. So it's he's giving
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  Speaker 2: himself more value. He's got way better versatility than Marcus Epps.
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  Speaker 2: So he took a major pay cut, which we told
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  Speaker 2: you he was going to do if he was going
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  Speaker 2: to come back. He got it. He took about eighty
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  Speaker 2: percent pay cut. He didn't have a choice if he
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  Speaker 2: wanted to come back. He's going to have it roll Mike.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to not to special teams and backup safety,
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  Speaker 2: backup Dickle maybe dying the little they play it, and yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he'll be there. And I'm been trying to figure out
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  Speaker 2: who the force safety is. They still have not work
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  Speaker 2: Mack mcwilliamson safety. He's nickel, a little bit of corner.
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  Speaker 2: Carl Wesnowski's hurt right now. Unfortunately, as he was in
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  Speaker 2: the ot S and JT. Gray really only be on specialties.
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  Speaker 2: Maxim's Pulley is our sleeper, like because there's so many
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  Speaker 2: backup jobs Mike. He was a playmaker at Watford. He
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  Speaker 2: is number thirty six an undirected free agent. We look
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  Speaker 2: forward to seeing him in the preseason because that's where
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  Speaker 2: he can make a really good push.
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  Speaker 1: Maximus Pulley, I like that name. All right, Yeah, let's
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  Speaker 1: go to the development of the cornerback room because there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of names here with a lot of intrigue.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm very intrigued by what you think you've seen
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  Speaker 1: in the development of this position because for years he
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  Speaker 1: had a bunch of guys who were you know, the
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  Speaker 1: Kaylee Ringos, the Josh Joel that you were waiting for
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  Speaker 1: one of them to emerge, and none of them ever did.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kailee Ringo, but it's Keiley in the pronounce nation guid.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why people call him Kaylee. It's not
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  Speaker 2: Keighley Ringo. Look, we talked about him for four years.
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  Speaker 2: We told you four years ago he'll never make it.
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  Speaker 2: We got we got bleeped on for it. We weren't wrong.
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  Speaker 2: You can't get rid of rid of everybody stiffness. But man,
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  Speaker 2: he looks the part though, just standing there, just he's
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  Speaker 2: just he can't transition. He just can't do it. And
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  Speaker 2: it's just it is what it is. And by the
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  Speaker 2: way he is running. He's got some second team reps
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  Speaker 2: because Jonathan Jones is a veteran, they're not practicing much.
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  Speaker 2: He turns thirty, one of the oldest corners of the NFL, Uh, Mitchell,
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  Speaker 2: and will know your starters will looks really good. He's
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  Speaker 2: carrying by the way he's carrying over so far what
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  Speaker 2: we saw. Now, Remember DeVante Smith is hurt now m
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  Speaker 2: Lemon is heard, which is unfortunate. And Cooper Dejean's not
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  Speaker 2: playing corner anymore. He's a nickel. He's playing safety. And
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  Speaker 2: you know Vic by the way, Mike and Vic kind
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  Speaker 2: of backed up what we told folks. The league has
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  Speaker 2: going to so much base defense. Why because so many
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  Speaker 2: teams are playing twelve personnel. Well, first four weeks, I
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  Speaker 2: guarant to you that Cooper Degen will play way more
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  Speaker 2: safety than nickel. Why because those four teams play so
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  Speaker 2: much twelve personnel, two ten ends, two receivers run back
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  Speaker 2: that coopes not look. They're telling what it's going to
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  Speaker 2: look like by their personnel groupings. And I'll see Washington
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  Speaker 2: next week. I'm scheduled to be there when the Dolphins
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  Speaker 2: come in. We're joint practice for their preseason game. So
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  Speaker 2: I look forward to what Washington's doing, Mike, But just
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  Speaker 2: understand things are going to be a little bit different here,
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  Speaker 2: actually a lot different with the gene and when you
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  Speaker 2: talk about their cornerback group. Behind the starters, it's Jones's
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  Speaker 2: the three. They don't know who the four is right
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  Speaker 2: now between McWilliams, jacorring Bennett. It's got plenty of reps
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  Speaker 2: with the twos still not standing out yet mentioned Ringo,
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  Speaker 2: who's really a thirteen corner who almost certainly will not
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  Speaker 2: play on defense unless there's an injury where a couple
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  Speaker 2: guys get benched. You can't predict that. It's impossible. Aby
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  Speaker 2: Thomas made it play the other day. Is yet another Mike,
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  Speaker 2: yet another former third round draft pick of the Niners
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  Speaker 2: that he goes we brought in. He was on and
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  Speaker 2: off he goals roster.
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  Speaker 1: A Michigan man, a Michigan man.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's talented. He actually was a starter for them.
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  Speaker 2: Talking to them, they just they lost faithum because he
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  Speaker 2: couldn't stay healthy. And rounding it out of Tree Castro Fields,
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  Speaker 2: who has been a number. He's now in his fifth
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  Speaker 2: team for a ten stater. Yet another forty nine or
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  Speaker 2: six rounder and twenty two really good size. But here's
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  Speaker 2: the thing, Mike, I could say he's a major lung shot,
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  Speaker 2: but Eagles have no idea who the fourth corner is
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  Speaker 2: going to be. So I'm not rolling out anything here.
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  Speaker 2: As we get through all the practices in the.
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  Speaker 1: Preseason, very intriguing position and especially and by the lay,
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  Speaker 1: we're all just assuming Woolen comes in here and you
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  Speaker 1: know is the lockdown guy. I mean, he was in
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  Speaker 1: and out of the lineup for Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: Now look, as I told you this Mike weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: The only way Degene place corner is a injury or
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  Speaker 2: b that won't gets bench where he reverts back in.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Vic, Vic, Vic, you don't have to guess
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  Speaker 2: if Riak walland like Vick is not gonna stand for it,
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  Speaker 2: if guys are not playing with disciplined, the guy's getting benched.
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  Speaker 2: That's just the way it is. He's like Mike Zimmer,
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  Speaker 2: I got to know over a number of years, if
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  Speaker 2: they don't look quick at aid. Now Vic set up
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  Speaker 2: for him. Remember he did in his press conference. He
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  Speaker 2: watched the tape. He thought that won was way better
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  Speaker 2: than people thought. Well, you know, I don't doubt Vic.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna go to the Hall of Fame someday. You know,
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  Speaker 2: for my money, I don't have a lot of money,
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  Speaker 2: but I put in the Hall of Fame. So but Anyway, Mike,
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  Speaker 2: it's a very intriguing defense. I am really looking forward
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  Speaker 2: to if they could staying healthy. They're gonna have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of challenges early in the season. They play some
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  Speaker 2: really good offenses.
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  Speaker 1: Well, obviously defense gonna have to carry them for a
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  Speaker 1: little while. I'll discuss the other day. You know, it's
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  Speaker 1: gonna be growing Pains, Growing Pains football at four, Big Pain.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you,