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LSU & Lane Kiffin LOSE to Ole Miss, Trinidad Chambliss arrives, NC State disaster | 09.20 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: In this seat that he is in, right?
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  Speaker 3: No one's perfect.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: We're just going to have some experiences.
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  Speaker 2: Now, LSU is interesting because I generally enjoy LSU and
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  Speaker 2: find them to be entertaining. I love the Les Miles years.
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  Speaker 2: That barely seemed like it was real. But then... LSU
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  Speaker 2: hired someone who exhibits the characteristics of a loathsome jackass
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  Speaker 2: whom I have discussed as though he is a loathsome
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  Speaker 2: jackass for over a decade. And now, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: Ryan discussed him like he was a loathsome jackass and
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  Speaker 2: then started coaching his team. What?
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  Speaker 3: What are you talking about? I cannot confirm or deny.
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  Speaker 1: No idea, right? But like, now we're here.
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  Speaker 3: He is currently, regardless, he is currently... Milo some jackass.
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  Speaker 1: There he is. There he is.
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  Speaker 2: He is the coach of your team for this first
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  Speaker 2: month of the season. He is the bright kind of
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  Speaker 2: star of the show in terms of what there's been
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  Speaker 2: to talk about in college football.
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  Speaker 1: And that changed on Saturday night.
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  Speaker 2: The star of college football is no longer Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 2: It is now Heisman Trophy front runner, though I acknowledge
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  Speaker 2: it's early, Trinidad Jambas. I don't think there's any question
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  Speaker 2: about this. This is how the sausage is made in
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  Speaker 2: this day and time, right? National television game, the biggest
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  Speaker 2: game so far of this season. And I'm not sure
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  Speaker 2: if there will be a bigger game that has a
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  Speaker 2: bit more of an anticipation around it. There may be
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  Speaker 2: games that do a higher television number. but I'm not
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  Speaker 2: sure if there's going to be a game that has
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  Speaker 2: a higher, like fervent, a fever pitch that we've got
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  Speaker 2: developed going in until Ohio state, Indiana on October.
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  Speaker 1: The 8th, 17th.
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  Speaker 3: I think it is something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Mid-October. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I think, I think up until then, this
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  Speaker 2: is the one and unlike Ohio state, Indiana, nobody was
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  Speaker 2: talking about that game all off season.
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  Speaker 1: This one got.
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  Speaker 2: The treatment of, all the way up until now, and
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  Speaker 2: then it was augmented by the fact that LSU played Clemson,
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  Speaker 2: and that was kind of the primetime game for week one,
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  Speaker 2: not to be confused with week zero, but for week one.
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  Speaker 2: And so it just all built to this game that
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  Speaker 2: I am not enough of a historian to say if
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  Speaker 2: it's the biggest game in Ole Miss history, but I
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  Speaker 2: would definitely say it is the Ole Miss game with
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  Speaker 2: the highest national profile Ever.
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Ole Miss won this game 24-32. Hot take time. And
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  Speaker 2: I really, I don't even know if it's so much
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  Speaker 2: a hot take, but after the game, in the post game,
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  Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin, in classic Lane Kiffin fashion, discussed the environment
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  Speaker 2: at the stadium. And for those of you who don't know,
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  Speaker 2: Ole Miss has a famous tailgating scene.
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  Speaker 1: And somewhat ironically, has a.
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  Speaker 2: HBCU tendency of people enjoying the party outside more than
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  Speaker 2: they would the game inside. Therefore, they stay at the
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  Speaker 2: party outside. Ole Miss be looking like the goddamn CIAA.
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  Speaker 2: When ESPN tried to broadcast the CIAA on TV, it
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  Speaker 2: was so embarrassing because all those people were there, but
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  Speaker 2: none of them was at the games.
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  Speaker 1: It looked like practice.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody was in the seats and they kept having to explain, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the blacks are outside barbecuing and drinking Crown Royal.
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  Speaker 1: Ole Miss, ironically, very similar situation.
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  Speaker 3: Probably sitting outside and also drinking Crown Royal.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Lane said after the game that he had quite
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  Speaker 2: the environment. Said the seats were full an hour before
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  Speaker 2: the game. He said he guessed it. This is what
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  Speaker 2: it would take for them to do that. And he
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  Speaker 2: said that, Ryan, I believe he said, you're welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Because this is something that Lane had complained a lot about,
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  Speaker 2: was them doing that.
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  Speaker 1: And then Lane said that, and he said, you're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what?
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  Speaker 2: He might, not saying he is, he might be a
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  Speaker 2: loathsome jackass, but he's right. And not only is he right,
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  Speaker 2: That game made it very clear that he is the
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  Speaker 2: best thing to ever happen to that football team, the
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  Speaker 2: best thing to ever happen to that program, quite possibly
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  Speaker 2: the best thing to ever happen to that university. That
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  Speaker 2: argument is there clearly, and it makes it even more
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  Speaker 2: ridiculous that he left in the fashion in which he left.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hear me out here.
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  Speaker 2: When I did the Vanity Fair piece on Chambliss, Which,
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  Speaker 2: one day, one might argue, is the beginning of a
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  Speaker 2: Heisman campaign.
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  Speaker 3: One can make the argument.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 4: Every now and then, you know, it's not every day
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  Speaker 4: that one of America's.
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  Speaker 1: Foremost sports writers comes to Oxford, Mississippi.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, it is every day that one of America's foremost
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  Speaker 2: sports writers goes to Oxford, Mississippi, because Wright Thompson is
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  Speaker 2: right down there.
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  Speaker 3: He's right there.
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  Speaker 2: But it's not every day that one this handsome shows
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  Speaker 2: up and Gets the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Rolling on this, right?
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  Speaker 3: I still have your Vanity Fairs, by the way.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, but it's funny. They sent me some, too. You
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  Speaker 1: know what we could do, though? We could do some
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  Speaker 1: sort of giveaway, maybe, or some way where we could
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  Speaker 1: sign those.
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  Speaker 2: That you got a couple of them and get them
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  Speaker 2: to the people that might want to get some of them, right?
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  Speaker 1: Just letting you guys know. We got some Vanity Fairs
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  Speaker 1: over here.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, when I did that piece, the thing that was
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  Speaker 2: interesting and very clear to me Every Chambliss that I
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  Speaker 2: talked to, and I talked to a lot of Chambly,
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  Speaker 2: every Chambliss that I talked to had a positive opinion
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  Speaker 2: of Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 1: Every single one of them did. And I mean, why
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't they?
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  Speaker 2: Their son was playing Division II football, and next thing
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  Speaker 2: they knew, their son was making millions of dollars and
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  Speaker 2: poised for an NFL career that literally none of them
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  Speaker 2: had pictured prior to this.
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  Speaker 1: They are all in on Lane. in that way.
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  Speaker 2: The most interesting thing that I learned in the reporting
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  Speaker 2: of that, and I've talked about this, Tom Mars, who
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  Speaker 2: represented Trinidad in his lawsuit against the NCAA, and I
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  Speaker 2: believe is also just generally Lane Kiffin's lawyer. I asked
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  Speaker 2: Tom Mars, because he told me that Kiffin referred Chambliss
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  Speaker 2: to him for his case. Now, keep in mind, they
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  Speaker 2: knew this was going to come up, the eligibility questions
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  Speaker 2: around Chambliss. I don't think they thought the NCAA would
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  Speaker 2: rubber stamp it, but at the same time, this was
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  Speaker 2: always on the board, right? It was December 19th was
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  Speaker 2: the date that Mars told me that Kiffin brought Chambliss
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  Speaker 2: this way, which is to say after this LSU decision
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  Speaker 2: had been made, okay? One could cynically make the argument
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  Speaker 2: that Lane did that just in case Chambliss wanted to
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  Speaker 2: come with him, right? But it doesn't really matter, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think. He didn't have to do it. And he
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  Speaker 2: did it. And that is a big part of LSU,
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  Speaker 2: excuse me, Ole Miss, being in the position that they
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  Speaker 2: are in right now. The program had its longest period
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  Speaker 2: of sustained success with Kiffin there. Like if nothing else,
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  Speaker 2: he changed the profile and the ambitions of the program.
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  Speaker 2: What seemed possible. All of that changed with Kiffin being there.
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  Speaker 2: And the part that he just brought up, and he's right.
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  Speaker 2: They never got that charged up if it wasn't for
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  Speaker 2: him behaving like a loathsome jackass on the way out
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  Speaker 2: and getting everybody all excited about this.
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  Speaker 1: So now they have got.
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  Speaker 2: A solid football program that looks like it has the
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  Speaker 2: potential to perhaps.
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  Speaker 1: Win the sec.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely on the board it's on the board well what's
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  Speaker 2: on the board because of the way it goes now
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  Speaker 2: you get yourself a good enough regular season record and
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  Speaker 2: you get to the championship game because not everybody's playing
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  Speaker 2: the same schedule you know get yourself there and then
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  Speaker 2: you just got to win one and you've got that
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  Speaker 2: guy right because the other part of this and my
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  Speaker 2: fault i forgot about this before having one of america's
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  Speaker 2: great Sports writers profiled a young man. He had the
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  Speaker 2: incredible college football playoff the year before, right? So this
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  Speaker 2: all builds up. We have evidence that he's this dude.
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  Speaker 2: It's right there directly in front of us. They can
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  Speaker 2: pull this off. And this doesn't really happen without Lane Kiffin.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, man.
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  Speaker 2: Two of the best quarterbacks in the sec were on
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  Speaker 2: old mrs roster last year austin simmons has looked good
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  Speaker 2: for missouri so far that was supposed to be the
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  Speaker 2: starter right last year.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's lane right you have to give them the credit.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I found interesting in watching this game.
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  Speaker 2: And Ryan, you tell me if I'm wrong here. I
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  Speaker 2: felt like LSU was beating Ole Miss in the way
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  Speaker 2: that LSU should beat Ole Miss, which is being a
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  Speaker 2: bit bigger and a bit stronger and pounding them on
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  Speaker 2: the ground. I felt like when LSU decided to run
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  Speaker 2: the ball, it looked like what all things kind of
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  Speaker 2: held equal, LSU versus Mississippi should look like. Right.
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  Speaker 3: A little bigger, a little stronger, but they also, Ole
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  Speaker 3: Miss outgained them in the air by over 200 yards.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yeah, see, that's where this is going to get.
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  Speaker 2: This is where the lane of it all gets interesting, right?
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  Speaker 2: The reason or the argument for going to LSU over
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  Speaker 2: Ole Miss is the ability to more readily put together
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  Speaker 2: a big, strong football team that wins championships. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like those those that next tier of schools.
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  Speaker 2: And for purposes of this discussion, I'm putting Oregon on
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  Speaker 2: that level.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Which is Oregon is not a traditional power. Oregon's always
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  Speaker 2: had to gimmick it up just a little bit. And
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  Speaker 2: they're trying to do it the SEC way. That's why
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  Speaker 2: you hire Lanning. But we've seen how that can go
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  Speaker 2: for them.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But those schools that are not up there like that
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  Speaker 2: typically got to do some razzle dazzle in order to
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  Speaker 2: make it happen. LSU was like, or we could just
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  Speaker 2: line it up and go. And on the other side,
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  Speaker 2: we could rush four and drop seven because we should
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  Speaker 2: be able to give players that good who are able
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  Speaker 2: to do that. And LSU, when they ran the ball, demonstrated, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is why you would leave Ole Miss to go
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  Speaker 2: to LSU. But the reason why you wouldn't do that
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  Speaker 2: is because Ole Miss had Trinidad Chambliss And you had
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  Speaker 2: Sam Leavitt.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I am asking you this, because to me, Leavitt
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  Speaker 1: looked not good.
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  Speaker 3: He is not good.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And Lane did that weird shit during the week where
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  Speaker 2: they said he was doubtful, then he was questionable, then
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't even on the injury report. So for all
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  Speaker 2: I know, he out there with a.
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  Speaker 1: Toe cut off. I have no idea, right? Or he
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  Speaker 1: might have an extra toe. Who knows? We're laying out here.
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  Speaker 2: However, he had a team that was good enough to
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  Speaker 2: win a national championship last year, or at the very
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  Speaker 2: least good enough to play for a national championship last year.
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  Speaker 1: And a team that had that level of quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: And he left that for a team where he knew
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  Speaker 2: he was going to.
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  Speaker 1: Have a worse quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: You have a Heisman caliber quarterback and everything that you
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  Speaker 2: built around him with Kiwan Lacey, with all those things.
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  Speaker 2: And forget the middle of the year part. You walked
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  Speaker 2: away from that for LSU.
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  Speaker 1: So here's what you did.
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  Speaker 2: You walked away from a chance to win a championship
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  Speaker 2: because you thought the other place could give you a
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  Speaker 2: better chance to win a championship, even though the place
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  Speaker 2: you were at gave you a better chance to win
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  Speaker 2: a championship right now.
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  Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 2: Like, you were the best thing to happen at that school,
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  Speaker 2: and you might be so good a thing to happen
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  Speaker 2: at that school that Pete Golding, a man that no
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  Speaker 2: other school would have hired for that same job, could
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  Speaker 2: have a chance to play for the SEC, which you
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  Speaker 2: did not do, or play for a national championship in
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  Speaker 2: large part because of you. But you went somewhere else
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  Speaker 2: where being you right now might not be good enough.
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  Speaker 1: Do I have this right?
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  Speaker 3: I think you're making a great point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like this is, it's so bizarre on that level.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, again, all of this having to
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  Speaker 2: do with Lane Kiffin even involves some benevolence from that
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  Speaker 2: potentially loathsome jerk.
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  Speaker 1: What an only in.
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  Speaker 2: College football kind of night that you wound up with.
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  Speaker 2: Also want to say this right fast because we talked
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  Speaker 2: about when they did the broadcast in Texas and they
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: did the eyes of Texas thing that I hate it
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  Speaker 2: and everything else. But it does seem that ESPN is
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  Speaker 2: leaning in.
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  Speaker 1: Heavy on the pageantry before these games.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't need the national anthem, though.
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  Speaker 1: I am curious.
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  Speaker 2: Do they only allow black men with bellies to get
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  Speaker 2: in sailor suits and sing the national anthem? Because I
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  Speaker 2: feel like every time I see a black man singing
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  Speaker 2: the national anthem, it's always a brother with a little
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  Speaker 2: pudge in a sailor suit. I'll never see no white
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  Speaker 2: man in a sailor suit singing the national anthem.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why. And look, I want to be
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  Speaker 1: very clear.
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  Speaker 4: It's always adorable. It doesn't matter what age you are.
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  Speaker 4: You'll be 55 years old. They put you in a
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  Speaker 4: sailor suit. It looks exactly the same as it did
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  Speaker 4: when you were 24 months in that sailor suit.
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  Speaker 3: Saying that the village people are adorable too? Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 3: let me ask.
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  Speaker 1: You a serious question. When the Navy take their boats and.
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  Speaker 4: They pull it up on another country ready for action, do.
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  Speaker 1: They be wearing sailor suits?
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  Speaker 4: Because that may be our greatest weapon ever. You pull
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  Speaker 4: up on me on a sailor suit, I'll never think
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  Speaker 4: it's a war. I mean, look at those cutie patooties
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  Speaker 4: getting off that boat.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, is that a gun? What just happened?
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  Speaker 3: I don't have a great concept of naval warfare, but
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  Speaker 3: I imagine since we are not in a canon pirate
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  Speaker 3: ship era that they cannot... Other ships cannot see the
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  Speaker 3: sailor suits.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, even back in the day, was
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  Speaker 4: they pulling up on people in sailor suits and hitting
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: them with harpoons?
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  Speaker 1: I just don't. I just wouldn't be afraid. Maybe that's
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  Speaker 1: the art of deception. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, they have brother in the sand. They build
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  Speaker 2: up the big game of it all now. Because you
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  Speaker 2: and I, we both agree. Nobody shoot a game better
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  Speaker 2: than CBS. And the thing to me about the way
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  Speaker 2: CBS does the game is they don't even have to
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  Speaker 2: do that to manufacture all the rest of the stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that it's a judgment of ESPN.
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying that game felt like a really big deal.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the NBA.
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  Speaker 2: with their mistakes have really informed for a lot of people,
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  Speaker 2: the importance of like building the stakes up for that game.
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  Speaker 1: And they were there and thank you're right.
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  Speaker 2: Lane, you're welcome. Couldn't have done it without you. And
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• 18:48
  Speaker 2: for those of you who might be new here, I
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: have to remember these things, Ryan, because it's been 13
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: years now, but I lived in North Carolina for 10 years.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I've been gone for 13 years. That is crazy.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: But I don't get the feeling that nationally people have
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: a great handle on what it means to root for
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: North Carolina State. And I don't blame you if you don't.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: And maybe the Internet made the world smaller and you
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: can see like some of the things. But they got
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: this thing that they call up there and it's called
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: NC State shit.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: And I mean, that's that's literally what it's called, like TM,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: And no matter what goes down, NC State, this NC State,
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: that man, that's some NC State shit happened.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: You know, and.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: The thing that I find interesting about that is as
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: I was going back, I didn't have, and I think that, it.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Goes across sports, too.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: But I didn't have that many like particular individual like
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: plays that jumped out. Like when you talk about the
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: misery of Cleveland sports, there were plays.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: There are moments right now, right?
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Or is the drive? It's the fumble. It's, you know,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: they got all kinds of names.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: The shot.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, they had those things.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I didn't, and I could just not be remembering, but, like,
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: NC State, it doesn't jump to the top of my mind. Like, oh, man,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: it was always this one thing. But, baby, they got
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a thing to last forever. Now, this is also the
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: season where they got to have football coach Dave.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Doran, who is perfectly fine.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: And the thing is, and I don't blame state fans
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: for this, because if you're not a fan, people are like,
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: why aren't you happy with personally perfectly fine when sorry
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: is right around the corner and always feasible for you guys?
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: And it's because they don't like perfectly fine. They would
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: like to be better than that. And you may think
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: that they have no business believing that they should be,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: but they want to be. And I think that's perfect. Like,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: you should want more than perfectly fine. And they've had
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: perfectly fine for, I think, over a decade.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: No, they don't.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: They don't want that anymore. And it's coming into this
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: year with a desire for a little bit more. Now,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: understand this. Perfectly fine gets you this, Ryan. They have
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: not won a road game against a power conference team
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: in 24 years. The quarterback was Phillip Rivers. And he
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: wasn't even a senior.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: That's wild. Yes.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I think Philip Rivers, I think he only had one
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: kid then. But I do think he had one.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like you said, it was a long time ago.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: It's been a long time. It's been a long time.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: At the very least, he was on his way.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: So anyway, they played against Vanderbilt, which counts as a
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: power conference team better than they've ever been, whatever.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: They're up 31-28.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: What is it, like 10 seconds left in the game?
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Six seconds left.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Six seconds left.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: They've got the ball in the shadow of their own goalposts.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: And they were going to do one of those things
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: that I find is interesting, which is sometimes you spend
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: your whole life not really giving a lot of thought
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: as to why something is called what it's called.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: But what they were going to do was take a safety.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: And you know what? It's like, oh, that's why they
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: call it a safety.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: They were basically going to surrender on 16 and blackjack.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: We are up by three points.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: So we will get the ball.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: And we will down it in the end zone and
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: give them two points and then have a free kick.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: And then there will not be enough time for them
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: to get the ball back. Now, what is very clear
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: is that in the huddle, their quarterback was told that
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: you're going to get the ball and you're going to
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: run around until there's no time.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: And then you go down and then voila, the game's over.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I don't understand why you would need that last part
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: because there were only six seconds.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Here's what an option was. Snap it into the fourth row.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Or punt. And if it gets blocked, you know what
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: the worst thing that can happen is?
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Well, they can recover it in the end zone.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: But more than likely, it goes out of the back
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: of the end zone and it's a safety.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I hear you.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: But the problem with what you just said right there
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: is you have forgotten the whole premise of why we're
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: here in the first place, which is NC State shit. OK,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: so if you're NC State, there's no way you can
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: punt this. In fact, what you're saying is affirming the
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: madness of it all.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: You needed to diminish the possibilities of this NC State
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: shit happening. Now, what they thought was if you run
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: the clock out, that is what is diminishing the possibility
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: of the NC State shit monster.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: For rising up. No, no, no.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: What you had to do was put your knee down yourself.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: How that young man allowed himself to be tackled, I
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: have no idea, but he did allow himself to be tackled,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and he fumbled.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And Vanderbilt recovered.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: And won a game that they had not had the
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: lead in all game. And then, hold up, Ryan. This
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: is where it gets even more interesting.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: The score was 31-28.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: But they had to replay it at the end, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: they found that they had to put one more second
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: on the clock, which allowed enough time for an extra point,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: which allowed Vanderbilt to cover.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: So if you rooted for NC State and you bet.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: On NC State, you... It's one thing to get kicked
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: in the nuts. It's another thing to get kicked in
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: each nut individually with the force of a two-nut kick.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: You understand what I'm saying? They really was like, yo,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: this hurts really bad, but at least it was just
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: one nut. And then they got him on the El Segundo.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: And all I'm saying to all you NC State fans
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: is you don't have to keep doing this. I'm just saying,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: and if you choose to, that's fine. You're not a,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: generally speaking, you're not a sympathetic bunch. I have warmed
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: to understanding your perspective in this world, but you guys
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: are not. You're only people that like you as each other.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And you know this already, right? Like I'm just, I'm just,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I'm not, I'm just telling you, right?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: It's not.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: All I'm saying is you're doing this to yourself. And
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: if you would like to stop doing this, you can.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And this is a great opportunity for you.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Help me help you. That's what we're doing right now.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Because that's rough, man. That's rough. That's rough.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I know y'all mad at the coach. And I can
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: see why you would be. But damn, man, I bet
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: he mad at everybody, too. Like, that's the thing right there.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: You want to talk about some shit that look like
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: a 20 man Spider-Man meme.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Talk about everybody pointing at everybody blaming each other. It's
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: just it's just going all over the place. It's a
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it's a tough go. But, but, but. I don't know,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I was going to say it could have been worse.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know that actually.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now that I think about it, perhaps I should
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: have done this show in a slightly different order that
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: would have allowed for, they could have been worse, but
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: it actually could have been more hilarious.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Actually. No, I actually do think that what we're going
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: to talk about is worse.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Okay. So I looked on Twitter right fast on Saturday
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and I went past some, and it was a tweet
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: from Kyle field, Texas, you know, and I, I couldn't
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: tell exactly what it said, but it had some white
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: man in a golf shirt.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: And then I saw the handle was at SEC war.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: And because I wasn't paying close attention, I thought SEC
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: war was like a SEC blog.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Right. Or something like that.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Or maybe an Auburn blog.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: War Eagle. I just wasn't paying that much attention. I
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: just want to be clear about this.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Before we came on to record this, I actually saw
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: what that tweet was, and it was a video of
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: the Secretary of Defense, because I don't say that, Pete Hedgeset.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: And he was pumping his fist and shit, right?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Let me make sure I get this score right, because
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Kentucky came to Texas A & M, which is a
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: top 10 team, and Kentucky beat them by 10 points
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: on their own soil. Marcel Reed had an awful game.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: they wrecked them. I don't think there's any other way
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: to put this. They put the hurt on them in
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: this stadium that, on one hand, is a very difficult
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: place to play, but on the other hand, you get
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: to play.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Against the Aggies.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Having that man out there was the most Aggie thing
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: in the world. Like, if Ted Cruz wasn't such bad luck,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: they would have had him out there, but Texas won
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: in spite of him. That's how you know Texas might
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: be the best team in the country. They overcame Ted Cruz.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: But anyway, having Pete Hedgeseth out there, super Aggie. Losing
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: this game, also super Aggie.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: And you know why? You don't get to eight and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: a half wins by winning them all.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: You got to give back some of those that aren't
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: supposed to go that way.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: There they go, right there, all the way. Go on
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: to that thing.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Look, it's a weird week, man, where we got Ole
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Miss out here beating LSU and looking like one of
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: the best teams in the country.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: You understand what I'm saying?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: But those other two things, that's just to let you know,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: ain't nothing really changed. Right? Like, the fundamental order of
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: the universe remains. Like, it's still there.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Apparently, these teams need to go get them Elaine Kiffin.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Maybe that'll change your situation.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: But I.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And look, I know it's a little different in Aggie
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: world right now.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: I just don't know who it was that looked at
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Pete Hedseth and was like, hell yeah. That'll get the
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: people going. Can you read polls?
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like, these are not popular people.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Are you aware of what he's in charge of and
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: what people think about it?
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: This is the last time you bought a gallon of gas.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Because I'm telling you, it's been a.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: Long time since I did it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: But I looked at the numbers on one of those
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: pumps one day, and I didn't think that was in dollars.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: It's going to be like, remember when we were talking
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: about the scoreboard at the ACC tournament in Tampa? Yes.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: That's what gas is going to be like. They're going
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: to have to add a fourth digit.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Right. Right.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: It's going to be going to have a Y2K problem.
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: With the gas pumps.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:14
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• 30:17
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• 30:24
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• 30:26
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• 30:37
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• 30:38
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