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Halloween Triple Feature #3 with special guest, Paranormal the New Normal · Curious Cat - where science & supernatural collide

• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: Trick or treat.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_00: I hope this finds you with a little bit of a fanny pack of fat because you've been stealing from the trick-or-treat cauldron the last week or so.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_00: I know I have.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_00: I need to do some abs for sure.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: But this week is dynamite.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_00: It is my favorite Halloween ever.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: As I look out the window right now, there is fog and there is wood smoke clinging to the last of the golden brown, yellow, orange leaves in the trees.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: There are cobwebs dripping off of my ceiling.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: Not to be atmospheric.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: They're not the fake stuff that I bought at Walgreens.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: These are because of my neglect.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't had time to do any dusting.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: And this year, oh, I am so fortunate to be able to introduce you to three members of my podcast family.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: In succession, we have a heck of a triple feature lined up for you.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to get to meet the hosts and hear their shows as we drop them into my feed over the next few days.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_00: Horrifying History, Family Plot Podcast, and Paranormal, the New Normal.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: We are going to get weird, family.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: We're talking about murder, vampire obsessions, and even a traveling exorcist.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: I have put links to all of their show stuff, including their, you know, where you can find them on any uh podcast stream.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: So you can follow their show, you can give them a five-star review, and follow their Patreon and buy their merch if you feel so inclined.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like Thanksgiving came a month early.
• 2:27
  SPEAKER_00: Feel so lucky.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: So until next week, trick or treat.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: I love you.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_02: Aren't you all lucky?
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_02: I'm your host, Jeremy, as you all know.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_02: I am back this time with a return guest.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_02: And when he recharged me, you're like last week, this week, somewhere around there.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, of course you can come back on.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm dying to hear what's going on in your life in the last couple years.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_02: Folks, if you don't well remember him, I'll go back and check the original episode first.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_02: But welcome back.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_02: My favorite world traveling exercises.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_03: So we don't think there's too many.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_02: That we know about.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_02: That we know about.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_02: There might be more we don't know about.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_02: But I might be.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 4:04
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of hitting things.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_02: I just had this discussion for an hour.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_02: There's a lot of hidden things in this world that nobody knows about.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_02: But so uh what's been going on in your life, buddy?
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_02: It's it had a I meant to look it up this morning, but I never got a chance to.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's had to been a good two years since we talked, at least.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_02: I think it's been about that.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I um I'm in Vietnam right now.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_06: Um we just got to see the uh mid-autumn festival, which was really cool.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_06: They do the the lion dancing with the the costumes and they stand on these poles and there's fireworks and all kinds of cool stuff.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so I've I've been on a kind of a little bit of um a hiatus recently from the paranormal work, but it's it's picking back up again.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I just had a couple of of uh pretty heavy cases, and I have one uh in particular that I'm gearing back up on to help a young gentleman with uh who had come to me like basically around the time like uh you know we first talked, and uh so his problems have flared up again.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_06: And then I have an an issue with uh with a previous client um who has now had an entity attachment that was on her daughter now jump onto her, and that was one of the cases I wanted to talk to you about today.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: Color me intrigued, and folks, just so you know, uh, because I actually just haven't looked at the email and see there's a date there.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: His first episode came out back on March 31st to 25, so that's not long ago.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I released it.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_02: So that when I whenever I recorded it, which had to be sometime before that.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I haven't talked to him in at least two years.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_02: It's been at least two years, so I was right.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_02: We were right about that.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_02: So yes, uh this okay once again, you the first case you mentioned has me so intrigued, I need to hear more about it.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yes.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_06: So long story short, um, and I've been talking about this one recently on a couple podcasts because it it is a a pretty notable uh case in my uh what we call my night work folder.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_06: I have you know hundreds of different cases I've worked.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_06: I've got videos of phenomena, um, private chats between me and the client, etc.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_06: It's it's not something I release to the public.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_06: I use it to train some of my students who want to do the things that I do.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and it's also a personal log for myself.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_06: But I I had an individual, let's just call her Alice, and Alice was sent to me by a friend of hers who was genuinely worried about her.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and they had had essentially given up on any resolution in their case.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_06: Um, yeah, they had like the standard phenomena of like, you know, objects disappearing or doors opening and closing, seeing shadow manifestations, things like that.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_06: But what was really notable was one of the daughters, a teenage, picture your average, I don't mean this in any offensive way, this is kind of a stereotype, but picture your average, like angsty, depressed, teen goth girl.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_06: And and and that's where all the phenomena was centered around was this daughter.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_06: And it kind of came to a peak when she befriended um this entity that she referred to as Mr.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_06: Smiley.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_06: And the best description I could give for him would be like this humanoid figure wearing like um, you know, a ratty kind of black um suit and really big eyes, like comically big eyes, and then just a giant um uh mouth of teeth in like a demented-looking smile.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_06: So that was Mr.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_06: Smiley.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_06: And when she first came across Mr.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_06: Smiley, was when she played with the Ouija board with some friends, and um that was that was how she she met him.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_06: Well, over time, Mr.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_06: Smiley uh kept building rapport with her.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_06: You know, he would tell her, like, oh, like the other kids don't get you, you know, they they don't see how smart you are, how funny you are, like really laid it on thick, and then started, you know, kind of pushing her, like, you know, wouldn't it be funny if you pinched your sister?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_06: And and just started escalating it to the point where one night she goes into her mother's bedroom and her mother wakes up like, you know, freaking out because her daughter was standing over the bed holding a knife.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_06: I think it was two knives, actually.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_06: And uh the the shock of the lights going on, the yelling, all of this, what are you doing?
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_06: What's going on?
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, she drops the knives and she's like genuinely panicked.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_06: Like she doesn't understand how she got into her mother's room, but she doesn't remember going into her mother's room.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_06: She hadn't even registered that she was standing over the bed holding knives, but she was more so stuck on the fact of, I don't remember how I got here.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, and so, anyways, the mother, you know, is kind of updating the friend about all of this stuff.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_06: And the friend is the one who reached out to me and she's like, Can you help my friend?
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_06: So I said, Okay, put me in contact with her.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_06: I get in touch with her.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_06: Um, we end up, uh, me and a colleague of mine did a lot of work on this case.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_06: We eventually got the daughter free of the entity attachment.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_06: But in a lot of these cases, for those who are not aware of how hauntings generally work outside of like Hollywood movies, you know, um, once you have like the staging, um, which is like stage one, stage two, stage three, you have like that infestation, um, which leads to manifestation.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_06: That's stage one.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_06: Stage two is going to be your oppression, which will be internal and external.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_06: It's an assault of the mind and the home environment at the same time.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_06: And then stage three is possession.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, so the end goal of a lot of these malevolent type of entities is essentially to engage in a massive feeding, a massive release of energy, which will be induced through um death that occurs from possession.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_06: Uh and uh then the then the cycle will start all over again with a new host, new victim.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_06: So we stop that.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_06: But when you pull an entity attachment away from a person, it doesn't just disappear completely.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_06: What happens is you separate it into the home environment.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_06: So now you're gonna start seeing phenomena in the house, but the silver lining here is it's not centered around one person anymore.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_06: And so with the proper techniques and protocols in place, we can combat this phenomena until it's lesser and lesser and lesser.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_06: Now, where we went sideways on this case was we actually were out of communication with her once she said everything was kind of fine and she stopped updating us.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_06: And in the past, when I've had clients do that, they were fine.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_06: It's like, okay, now that the house isn't on fire, why is the fireman needed?
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_06: You can go home now, type of thing.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_06: So then you fast forward to to recently, you know, this was like a couple years, right?
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_06: So fast forward to recently, and um the friend reached out again, and the friend said, There's things still happening and it's worse than it's ever been, but she has too much shame to reach out to you.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_06: So I said, Okay, thank you for the heads up.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_06: So I contacted Alice again, right?
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, and I had I had a bit of an emotional breakdown when I uh got updated because you know, some some cases they really uh they really hit you hard.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_06: And uh to give you some context of like my perspective as an exorcist in this situation, you know, I have my own history of growing up with paranormal phenomena, things like that, right?
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_06: Things that pushed me into this.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_06: But uh what I'm thinking about is there's there's a little girl, she's now the younger sister, okay?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_06: So not the older sister, the one the phenomena was originally surrounding.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_06: But you have this the younger sister who's now 10 years old, and she's growing up in this.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_06: She's growing up in a you know uh a haunted home with very severe phenomena occurring.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_06: This has become normalized.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_06: This is her childhood now.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_06: That is just so not okay.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_06: Not only that, uh, but you have a mother who is just completely distraught and broken.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_06: She's lost relationships over this, you know, and and it's just uh this under uh any other circumstance, this is a plain, ordinary, average family in America, right?
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_06: But not anymore.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_06: They've been disrupted by uh, you know, a malevolent entity from another dimension that uh solely wishes to bring harm and disrupt any would-be harmony within the family.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_06: And so, like she began to tell me, and I seen her arm was wrapped.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_06: Um she had two separate episodes of where this thing took over her.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_06: And it escalated that far where uh I wouldn't I wouldn't blame her innocence and say she dropped off on doing the protocols, but somewhere something went wrong, and the people who would diagnose and would facilitate you know helping further were not contacted, i.e., me and my colleague.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_06: So it escalated again in the home.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_06: She had um taken a knife and uh had committed some self-harm to herself to the point where tendons were severed in in the arm.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_06: Um serious permanent damage to the nerves was done and uh she she nearly passed, right?
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_06: I'm trying not to be too explicit with the language here.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_06: And um so she uh she says, Well, uh I don't really uh think that it was the entity in this moment.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_06: Uh and I thought maybe I just finally had like a mental break and I snapped.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_06: Although I don't, you know, uh I don't think that I would want to have done that, you know, under normal circumstances.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_06: But then she said the second time she knew it was the entity because she was in her car and um all of a sudden she's on the side of the road and she just sees red liquid all over her hands, and she's having like a hard time breathing, and she realizes that she uh had stabbed herself in the chest and she couldn't remember it, she had no recollection of it, uh, and she was just in a pure state of shock.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_06: So fast forward to us back in touch.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_06: This is like weeks after this recent episode.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_06: I did a session with her.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_06: It was very, very emotional.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_06: Um, we had a bit of a phenomena you could see like in in the video, there was um a shadow that was pacing back and forth behind her on the camera.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_06: Um and not only that, but um the phone kept trying to like malfunction and glitch when we were doing the call, which is which is something that'll happen in a lot of these cases.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_06: But I ultimately was able to beat down the phenomena more.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_06: We did a couple more sessions with the family and we're still ongoing with them.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_06: But I mean, that that case, like I've I've just paraphrased it so much.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_06: I I just cannot convey to you how intense emotionally the highs and the lows were on this case.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's fun, it's funny.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna I was actually gonna ask you at one point.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, this had to be in America.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: That only in America do kids fuck around with Ouija boards that often.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_06: Well, the problem with the whole Ouija board aspect is you know, I'm sure you and and some of your viewers may be understanding of this, but you know, it's it's like um it's like a radio station.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_06: It it only has a limited um bandwidth that it interacts with, and that's within the lower astral.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_06: So, you know, you you know, if grandpa's crossed over, you're not reaching grandpa.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_06: Uh, you know, you're trying to talk to the angels up high, you're not reaching them.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_06: You're only reaching what's within that bandwidth.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_06: And a lot of times those are shells of um, you know, former consciousnesses that have moved on, and it's just kind of like a fragmented um, you know, uh remainer of hardware, essentially.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_06: Um, you're getting uh parasitic type of entities and you're getting things that intentionally monitor kind of like a spider with like uh, you know, its webs out waiting for something to touch on it, you know.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_06: So like nothing good comes from Ouija boards.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, I I have told people so many times, more than so many times in the show, do not play with Ouija boards unless you know what you are doing and you have the ability to fight what comes through.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's not a child, even though it's what's even though it's sold by fucking hasbro, it's not a child's toy.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_06: I agree, absolutely agree.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_06: And and and I would even I would even say like, you know, that that goes to like you know the Charlie Charlie and all this kind of BS as well.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_06: Like you're just inviting and you're inviting without discretion.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_06: And not only that, but a lot of times, you know, people who engage in this type of uh just you know, playing around with something to see what happens, they're not prepared for a result.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_06: And and that is like you touched on it right there, like don't be doing that unless you know what to do when something happens.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_06: And I'm willing to bet that if you're playing with something like that to begin with, you have no real feasible way of protecting yourself if something does occur.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_06: Oh, God, yeah.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_06: Uh you know, and um, yeah, I had a I had another very interesting uh case that I was I was going over um on a couple of shows recently.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_06: So I I did um a visit to one of my students in uh Borneo.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_06: And so I'm in a I'm in a city called Kenningao, which is like in the middle of nowhere.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, uh I usually have to tell people where Borneo is because a lot of people don't know where that is off the top of their heads.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_06: Uh are you familiar with Borneo?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: It's I I believe it's in Asia, near like Thailand in that area.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_06: It it is, it is.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_06: So it's it's in between Malaysia and Indonesia, and Borneo is divided.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_06: You have um you have Kalimantan in the south, and Kalimantan uh belongs to Indonesia, and then you have Sarawak and you have Sabah, and that's up in the north, and that belongs to Malaysia, and then you have the tiny little uh nation of Brunei up there as well.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_06: So Brunei being its own separate country, but but this is this is Borneo.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_06: So I was in Sabah, and in Sabah, like out in the middle of nowhere, uh, there's a city called Keningao.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_06: And in Keningao, um, I was visiting a student.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_06: I do, um, you know, for some who aren't aware aware of my history, in in Thailand, uh I'm known as an ajarn.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_06: So I am a forest shaman, if you will, um, of those traditions, and I practice what's called the witcha, which is the animistic um magic that is practiced by the shamans in Thailand, just to give a simplified answer.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_06: So I'm over there teaching a student, we're hosting ceremonies, I'm doing like what's called like a Y crew, which is like a teacher ceremony and some of this other stuff.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_06: I was doing you know blessings, I was selling amulets, uh just like a whole bunch of work over there.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_06: And um my student gets uh like a kind of like an Airbnb, except it it directly belonged to somebody that they knew.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_06: And so they just kind of rented it for a couple days for me to stay in.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_06: And it was this big house.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_06: So I get in I get into the house the moment I walked in the door, I knew there was something in the home, but it didn't want to reveal itself to me.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_06: So we we just had a heavy day of travel coming from mainland Malaysia.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_06: And um you know it's I had like you know a long drive it's like a few hours to get you know from um Kochikinabalu to Keningao.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_06: So I flew from the mainland then had this drive we stopped I had to do a call with a student and teach a class and and so like I'm tired man.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_06: It's like almost midnight and uh and and we still have like a couple of prepping things to do for the following morning where we're doing a big ceremony in the house.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_06: And so I'm I'm getting ready to to to go to bed and um I kind of hear a couple things but I mean my life is the paranormal so unless it's giving me problems I don't really care.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_06: And then I had this this weird moment in the early morning where uh some some might refer to it as like astral viewing but you know if you've ever been asleep and you're perceiving your environment around you and seeing things in your environment around you while you're asleep and you're consciously aware I was in that kind of state and I saw family downstairs having breakfast in the kitchen but the layout looked different.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_06: And so I told myself okay so there's ghost in this house and that's where you know the shyness is coming from not a big deal whatever well the next day um my students telling me in the reflection of the TV he keeps seeing somebody walking around even when there is like nothing there.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_06: And we we both heard things like in the kitchen which we could see where we were sitting um move and fall on the ground and um there's no readily available explanation for that.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_06: So so I told him about my my dream kind of state in the morning I said yeah it's probably some ghosts um we'll just leave it be like nothing to worry about.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_06: We did all the ceremonies and stuff my girlfriend um heard somebody walking behind her or walking around next to her when she was upstairs and there was nobody else upstairs.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_06: So we we've already got some low-level phenomena occurring and then after everything wound down for the evening I'm exhausted at this point.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_06: I've gotten like just a few hours of sleep and I'm ready to go to bed and um we close everything up my student is about to leave everyone else has left it's just me and my girlfriend and then once my student leaves it's just going to be me and her staying in the house at night.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_06: And um we put like as part of like um ending the ceremony of the day we put a cloth over the Buddha's eyes.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_06: So we have a Buddha statue.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_06: We put a cloth over the eyes as soon as we did that we heard a loud bang upstairs and we all looked at each other.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_06: And so I immediately am like okay I'm gonna go check that out I get to the top of the stairs and every hair on my body stood up not just my neck not my arms every hair on my body and immediately in a moment right then I said ah it's a demon there is no denying that you are pure malevolence.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_06: I can feel your intention and it is naughty so then um you know my student leaves and you know I tell my I tell my girlfriend like you know gonna kind of monitor this it can't come in our room there's five bedrooms in this house there's like two rooms behind us and um I I told her it says it's not gonna come in the room I have these like Watanu protectors which are these magic uh buffalo uh that were made by one of my masters um super effective uh I have all kinds of magical protections of my own I have classical training I know what I'm doing I've energetically warded the room itself the thing was pacing outside the door and you'd open the door and there'd be nothing there and and it was doing this frequently and um and at one point the um the shower turned on by itself and then when I went to go turn off the shower I heard this loud boom boom boom boom boom boom boom like feet running away and so I was like oh my god I just want to go to sleep I just want to go to sleep but I you know I I've now I've got I've got to deal with this but I have like no energy man I was so depleted from the sleep deprivation and from the heavy day of like spiritual work and I just was like all right we're gonna ride this out and then if it reaches that critical point like I'm gonna get my teacher on the phone and and we're and we're both just gonna hit this and uh and we'll deal with it.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_06: So that was what ended up having to happen.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_06: So um so I I told my girlfriend to go ahead and just go to sleep.
• 27:52
  SPEAKER_06: I'd take night watch I'd stay up and then I I heard um like a marching band in the room behind us and it was like do do like with the trumpets and the drums and everything like a live marching band.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_06: And I go into the room and the lights on and um I heard the music just stop and there's no radio or TV in that room or anything.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_06: There's just there were what's even more disturbing is that room is supposed to be a kid's room.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_06: So there's two bunk beds and that's it in the room.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_06: And uh and then behind that room um if you if you open the window you got to keep in mind like where we are we're in Penningal so like we're at we're in Borneo like when you open that window as far as the eyes can see it's undeveloped jungle just straight up jungle and there's no city lights no nothing like it's just pure jungle outside so I'm like looking outside and and and then I hear the TV turn on downstairs.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_06: So I go downstairs I go and I turn the TV off I go to walk away from the TV it turns back on so then I go and I unplug the TV from the wall and I go up the stairs as soon as I get around the bend on the stairs I hear the TV again I go downstairs the TV is freaking plugged back in and on that's creepy so at this point I I I get it I get in touch with with with one of my teachers I I explain to him the situation I say I need some help I am just past my limit I am like like you have you ever been so tired you just want to cry because you're just so tired.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_06: Yep miserable I got almost to you I got almost to your now I know that I know that feeling so you know that feeling where you're just like I can't handle anything right now that that's where I was so I'm explaining to my teacher like I've got to fight this thing but I do not have it in me.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_06: Can you please help me?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_06: And so we we do like you know this this big like clearing on the on the home and uh and he proceeds to tell me he's like he's like you need to find out about this house because from what I was seeing there's something really bad that happened here and I was like okay I'll find out in the morning so I ended up not sleeping that whole night and my student uh you know is coming to to pick us up in the morning and then um I end up uh like sitting at the coffee table downstairs having some coffee waiting for him to arrive and and like the table's like positioned where I can see the stairs and they're like the stairs where like you can see halfway up the stairs and then it goes behind the wall.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_06: And so right behind the wall I can see this foot comes out on the stairwell and and it's like reaching out and just long enough for me to notice it.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_06: And as soon as I notice it you see the foot disappear back on the stairs.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_06: And it did this like three times just freaking messing with me man.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_06: And so um so I'm like okay we're we're gonna have to find out what we're dealing with here and I'm gonna have to come back here and deal with this you know properly rested and with a game plan.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_06: And so and so um so in the morning when my student arrived you know we'd go outside and I'm explaining to him everything that happened and and I was telling him you know we need to we need to find out um you know about like this house and everything and um we see like the neighbors outside I was like I was like you know ask the neighbors what they know about this house and the the what what was interesting was when you looked at the neighbor's house they had two Chinese altars on the side of the yard that was facing the house we were staying in.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_06: And half of the the grass was really dry and then the other half was was was like fresh and lush and they were outside watering that side of the yard only and um when when my student you know went to talk to them they walked halfway of the driveway they didn't come all the way over to the other side and they didn't really say much.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_06: They just said like you know the the the the house isn't good um was something along those lines and and they didn't really offer anything else as far as information.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_06: So like clearly the neighbors know there's something wrong with this house and I I find out the history of this area that we were staying in.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_06: And apparently during World War II the the Japanese had invaded and the Japanese had committed a mass genocide in the city of Keningau.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_06: And what was even more interesting was the specific like area that we were in Keningau was a tribal area uh because you still have a lot of indigenous people in Borneo.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_06: So this this area specifically where we were was where there was a tribe of shamans so this was like an like a an area where people from all over different parts of Borneo would would come to this specific area in Keningau to consult with these shamans to consult with these medicine men.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_06: This was like um you know a partial tribe of like you know medicine healers and um and what happened on that specific street where we were there was a mass grave where many of those bodies were dumped and the foundation of the house was built on top of that mass grave we're not talking a graveyard we're talking like like a shallow grave where they just dumped a bunch of bodies who who died very very terrible deaths in World War II.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_02: And this house was built on top of that not only that but in the jungle what's that I was like this this sounds like poltergeist on crack.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_06: So the jungle behind the house apparently there was a graveyard that used to be visited frequently but in um you know the newer generation you know they're all moving away and stuff you know like there's not a lot of opportunity in Keningao so they're trying to go to Kotakinabalu the big city which isn't even really a big city but they're trying to get opportunities there or go to mainland Malaysia and and get opportunities in Kuulumpur um and and other places and so um this this shaman graveyard in the jungle behind the house um apparently the story that was told to me um was that there was something that lived in this area that preyed on generations of people and these healers had kind of bound it and the offerings given to the graveyard to the shaman graveyard uh helped to kind of keep that binding in place but the mass death that happened in that area and the abandoning of the graveyard and the stopping of offerings I believe is what directly led to this thing this ancient type of evil being unleashed from its slumber if you will and this thing you could feel in its tactics and in the malevolence that it exuded you could feel that it had a body count.
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_06: You just knew that it had a body count.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_06: And um I ended up coming back to Kenningao and I said okay like we're gonna deal with this thing you know um and we're gonna deal with it on our terms.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_06: So I get um I get my student and I get um another uh shaman from the community to to come with me and we go out into the jungle uh to go to go find this like graveyard area and we can only get so far because there's like really really thick um patches of bamboo there and for anybody that's not aware of with how bamboo grows sometimes it can grow so clustered that like you can't even fit a finger between each stalk growing out of the ground yeah so and and and the relevance of why I'm mentioning this is that the bamboo is so thick there and uh we went at night and um we saw something someone um running back and forth in the bamboo which was impossible because there's no way you can run in that but there was somebody running back and forth and they were watching us in the bamboo um and anytime we should shin the light on them they would like disappear completely but you could still hear their footsteps in the brush and uh it it got really dark like darker than normal dark and at one point my student like was almost starting to experience possession and I snapped him out of it and we did this uh big ceremony on the land and we did it essentially an exorcism on the land but the best that we were able to do is kind of put it into this sleep like state this thing is like locked in there so we put it into a sleep like state I'm gonna go back out there again um here in a couple of months and I'm gonna hit it pretty hard again um I'm trying to eradicate this thing from the land but like this is a stubborn stubborn attachment on the land and it's not going easily like that was probably one of the more exciting cases I've had recently and it just stumbled in my lap.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_06: Like I didn't go looking for that one.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah yeah you just happen to be on vacation sounds like it sounds like a hard will be made for you but I mean it would be my luck these things stumble across me when I'm just like trying to vibe and live my life it seems that way and I gotta say I I meant to say this earlier but Mr Smiley sounds like it sounds like something straight out of creepy pasta almost right right and and you know what what I suspect because you know for for any that might not be aware out there, you know when these demonic type of entities manifest it is never what they actually look like no matter what they project um the best description I've given um is that they're kind of like they're like farts.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_06: That's like really what they are.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_06: They're like they're like this big cloud of gas right um you know and they can they can they can shape shift they can take a form and they borrow from the imagination of man um to exhibit uh something that's going to strike fear or that will drop your guard or for whatever reason give them an in right and so I think I think being you know the teenage goth girl that she was I think Mr.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_06: Smiley was the perfect thing for her to connect with and I wouldn't be surprised if she read tons of creepy pastas and and it used what was in her own mind to form the imagery of what it did and the manifestation that it chose to take Mr.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_06: Smiley as Mr.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_06: Smiley doesn't exist never did but Mr Smiley the manifestation brought on by uh you know uh rapport with the girl of a malevolent entity that's real oh yeah I mean it it it honestly almost sounds like Slender Man and a there's another one I think it's like smiling jack or something like that.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_06: Like it it kind of sounds like that some sort of horrid combination but I mean regardless or not you know if you if you're if you're aware that you know it's not its true form doesn't make it any less frightening to see something like that.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly I mean I trust me I there's there's actually something I mean if you ever feel like I'm to Massachusetts we got something in our house I would be more than willing to come and tackle that I don't know what it is but it likes to you can see its shadow every night like kind of watching over our bedroom.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_06: Interesting have you have you tried any any protocols um for defense when when we when when we were first talking I was working with a Reiki master at that point on the regular and like she sent me some uh sage and some Palo Alto or whatever it's called um Palo Santos yeah Palo Santos too um she she sent me some of that too and we we did it we we did that in the house to try to clear it out it calm things down for a little bit but I mean I mean I've I've been told by so many psychics that the original residents of this house are still here but I feel like this is this if this is them something has attached to them and like me changed them I'm guessing but so I'll make it very clear the the way that you can tell the difference and I um have have you read my book have I sent you a copy of my demonology book I don't believe so no I will I will send it to you after this um it's very informative it's over 200 pages and it's uh the collective um wisdom and experience of my years and thousands of cases you know in the field doing this stuff and it's very science heavy um I come from an eastern and western perspective on this and it's very educational.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_06: So in the book one of the things I talk about is you know how to tell the difference between um you know a a ghost and a demonic entity in a in a haunting and the the number one difference is with ghost all phenomena is attributed to gaining attention whereas with a demonic entity all phenomena is to elicit a fear response those are two very different approaches if there is anything at all involving fear or trying to get a reaction of fear if it's not for communication if it is to derive fear from the individual you are not dealing with a ghost.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_02: I mean you definitely can I wouldn't say it's on anything to like Well, I mean actually, well I don't know.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: I I mean there's been certain things that have happened, uh feeling like your hair is being pulled and whatnot, like over the years, like it's happened occasionally, uh being in the shower and feeling like something's someone's outside the shower when no one's in the bathroom but you Yeah, this is this is classic phenomena.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I wouldn't be surprised if you know you're saying though, we did have a bunch of chickens killed a few years ago in the back part of our garage during the night.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_02: And it looked like they were flattened.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_02: We thought it was the guinea hands, but then we realized like no it couldn't have been.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_02: Because after we after we moved the guinea hands out, it was still happening.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, yeah, that is definitely interesting.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_06: Um have you had um experiences of like seeing shadows um moving out of the corner of your eyes?
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yep, it happens.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_06: Cold spots in the house very often.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I mean like if you're staring at the shadow in our if you're laying in our if you're laying in bed at night and you're staring at the shadow on our on our ceiling, like you get like the hairs and the and on your body like stand up and like you just get like this all roaming like dread sense.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like you have to like not look at it.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_06: You you can feel a presence even if you're not looking at it.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean if you if you if you you don't want to look at it if you want to actually feel like you know, safe.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's just like you get like just that instant feel of dread if you look at it.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_06: So so here's an interesting question for you.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_06: Um with the chickens episode, did you notice a uptick in phenomena after the death of the chickens?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_02: This was years ago, so it's kind of hard to remember that, but I've lost a lot of sleep over the last two years.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_02: But um it's uh I mean slightly.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_02: I mean we we did like somebody told me to do like a whiskey water test, like you put whiskey in a cup and water in a cup and see which one goes down first.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know if you've ever heard of that even, but um we surprisingly enough, the whiskey went down first.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_06: I would rather use vinegar and sea salt um in bowls.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_06: So you do like uh, you know, you pour pour vinegar in a bowl and then dump, you know, um a bit of sea salt in there.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_06: And what this does is it helps to uh disrupt um manifestations as they form because the acidity of the vinegar um and the and the salt is corrosive for when their quasi-physical bodies try to condense and form in the in the three-dimensional plane.
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_06: We have to consider that you know when these things interact with us, uh, they are also vulnerable and we are able to affect them.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_06: Uh it goes both ways, you know.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_06: They might be quasi-physical in nature, but uh when they condense down enough to induce phenomena or interact with us in the third-dimensional plane of existence, that moment they are also uh vulnerable to being attacked as well.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_06: And can you guess what one of the most destructive things to them can be?
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_01: I could think of a few things, but uh I have a feeling it's gonna be something I never would think of.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_06: On a on an energetic level, it would be the state of heart coherence.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_06: And on a physical level, it would be iron, uh LED lights, um, salt, these type of things.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_06: They they they have a real impact.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_06: But I would say what's more important than anything else is getting into a state of heart coherence.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_06: And the way that we can attain a state of heart coherence um is by focusing on a happy memory or a joyous moment in your life, really focusing on that.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_06: And as you're focusing on that good feeling in your body, you start to um resonate at that frequency.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_06: And if you subconsciously associate that with a color, now you can call it playing with chi, um, you could call it a psychological trick, whatever you want, but it works.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_06: And so at that point, we start picturing ourselves breathing in the particles of light all around our body.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_06: And as we exhale, we feel ourselves exuding that light and letting it just saturate the room.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_06: And you can just go from room to room in the house and just breathing that light in that state of heart coherence, and that will have a measurably um you know noticeable effect on lifting phenomena.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh yeah, it's I don't know.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what it is.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's just I know like it definitely like increased my kids out.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_02: I know that.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it's it's weird.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's like it likes to like kind of like sit over our daughter's crib, too.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, not that not that she really sleeps in it anymore, but she it likes to sit over it.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, that that's pretty concerning for me.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_06: This is this is something that that has um definitely piqued my interest.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_06: So when when when we're done here, I'm I'm gonna be following up with you and um and we're gonna be doing um some work to help you out.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_06: I'll I'll um bring my colleague in and we'll start helping you on this.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_06: Um and for anybody out there listening, um I I charge for my services of of amulets and um teaching, but when it comes to the paranormal in situations where you know there is legitimate phenomena and the everyday safety of just living in your own house is being threatened, I have never charged and will never charge for those services.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_06: So just for anybody out there who is seriously afflicted by the paranormal, um I I will help without cost in that regard.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_02: Which is an honorable thing because not many people out there in the world do that.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_06: Well, one of my teachers put it to me this way, and I've always found it to be kind of funny, like that having you know this this kind of uh imagery in my mind.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_06: So, you know, you're you're uh you're in your house and a burglar's trying to break in and you run to the phone and you call 911 and uh the police answer the phone and they say, Well, what's the nature of your emergency?
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_06: And you say, There's there's a burglar, he's he's he's got a gun, and he he's trying to break into my house.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_06: You know, please help, please help.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_06: And they say, What what's uh what's your credit card number?
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_06: You know, that doesn't happen.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_06: They just say officers are in route, right?
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_05: Like, you know, it's it's it's service work, you know, it's it's what you do for your community.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I and I knew that was coming.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_02: I knew the credit card part was coming.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: But uh it's it's true.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it's it's it's true.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, well, our taxes pay them at least, but they don't unfortunately we don't have we don't live in a society yet where our taxes are gonna pay extra just unfortunately.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_05: Someday, maybe someday, once people exorcism work does not pay well, I'll tell you that.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: I I can believe it.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, at least uh I mean, at least you get the benefit of traveling the world, but still, it's I'm sure it's not you're not staying in five-star Rich Carlton's or anything.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_06: No, I I I travel the world on my own dime.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_06: Um I I make my income from teaching students, from providing ritual services, from amulets and all of that.
• 52:34
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and that allows me to do the very important work for free.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, of course.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_06: But I've definitely had that saga where I was like living out of hotels and stuff, and like, you know, like season one, like Sam and Dean when Jester like rolling around the US doing cases, like that.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_06: That was a chapter in my life at one point.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_02: Uh season one.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_05: That's like seasons one through freaking eight, but when it was still good, when it was still good.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't think it ever got bad.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_02: I it I don't think it ever got bad in its whole room.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_05: You don't think it got weird when they were like God's sister and started bringing in all this, like they just really changed the whole dynamic of the show.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_05: You liked that?
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_02: They still they still did their monster of the week episode, so it was still entertaining.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like okay, okay, I get it.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_03: I get it.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_02: I mean some people say the same thing about X-Files when it actually got like into the heavier storylines in like the later seasons, but you need that storyline.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you can't just fight.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: I know, I know.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_02: I freaking love that.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: I love that show.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean it you can't they can't fight monsters every week.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's not gonna last forever if they do that.
• 53:50
  SPEAKER_02: It wouldn't have lasted 15 seasons like it did.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean I guess you have a point there.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_02: There's there's a format to these things.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, Grim, same thing.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_02: You need a deeper story.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_02: Buff Buffy, I'm sure, same thing.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_02: I never watched it, but I'm sure it had the same type of s uh scenario.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_02: But it's just they have a format for these things.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_02: But all right, well let me ask you before we wrap up a little bit here what do you think in the two years since we talked, what do you think about the state of the world as we head closer to 27?
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_06: Oh man, you know, it's it's concerning to me not in the way that most people would think of you know somebody who works in a very kind of spiritual uh way of existence.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_06: So, you know, I I don't believe personally in um, you know, this whole you know reptilians and new world order and all this kind of conspiracy stuff.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_06: What I think is is is uh is even more disturbing is when you look at what's actually happening, you know, there are there are companies.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_06: There are there are various different major major revenue earning companies that control the whim and flow of politics.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_06: And what concerns me the most about that is we're moving more and more into a state of the world where everything is designed to extract as much money from you as possible.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_06: You know, everything's moving, you know, as we we can say, everything's moving to subscription-based services for everything, right?
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_06: You know, um, you buy a freaking car, and for your car to work properly, you need a subscription-based service for a car that you bought, right?
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_06: Because of the computer system on it, you know.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_06: Uh so I I I think it's more of an aspect that we're we're basically becoming pay pigs for these companies.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_06: You know, like it's always kind of been like that, right?
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_06: But there was there was some level of autonomy that we still had.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_06: There was some level of choice.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_06: Now it's an illusion of choice.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_06: And it's just where is your money and your dollars going today?
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_06: Because it's always going to go somewhere.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_06: Um and I think that that can only keep up for so long before you see a major global recession.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, we already see the markers of a global recession, you know, and and uh and and that's that's kind of where I'm at.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_06: And with that, with that, you see spiritual decay, you see moral decay, you know.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_06: If you if you just look at like, you know, COVID, when COVID happened, you saw, you know, the the internal state of how people really are as a whole.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_06: You know, when we had shortages, you know, people were hoarding toilet paper, people were fighting it out, you know, over food at supermarkets and stuff.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_06: You know, that's not that's not a community together.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_06: That's not a tribal um, you know, mindset of, you know, we're we're together through this, you know, as one.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_06: That that is a sense of of I am independently myself and I only look out for myself and it's me above you.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_06: You know, it's it we're so divided.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_06: We're so divided and we're so morally bankrupt, and we're so enslaved to the algorithms and and to our subscription services.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_06: That's what I'm concerned about.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_06: That's where we are, that's the state of the world, and that's where we're going further.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_06: So I don't know if that answers your question, but that's my thoughts, my feelings.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, a couple things are actually kind of funny there.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um I literally was just had an interview before you where I was talking to a guy about who who wrote a science fiction book, but based on the truth behind uh the dark fleet the dark fleet fighting the Galactic Federation and on an evergoing basis, which you know goes into the whole reptilian thing you were saying.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_02: But uh and like we were actually talking about like the truth behind that, or I mean he b he believes there's truth behind that, that there actually is like an alliance of good of good species of extraterrestrials versus going against reptilians and the dr dra Dracos and all these other better worse species that don't like humans and want to kill us since the beginning.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_02: So it's funny you brought that up when we were just talking about that in a previous episode.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_02: But and it's funny because a lot of people are saying that 27 is gonna be a spiritual awakening that like the opposite of spiritual spiritual decay in a way.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna be like a spiritual awakening, is what most people are telling me.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_06: I mean, in order for me to believe that, I would have to see the markers of it readily available.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_06: And and what I really see is is just brain rot, you know, like we have a whole generation of kids these days that can't even read properly in a country that's supposed to be uh, you know, woo, America number one, right?
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_06: We're not, we're not.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_06: I'm from the US.
• 59:25
  SPEAKER_06: I can say this.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_06: We're a joke in the world right now, and and and we're falling behind education-wise.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_06: And, you know, in order for a a country or a people, you know, to be spiritually healthy, you know, there's other there's other markers of of the society that need to be healthy as well.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_06: Because it, you know, if I'm if I'm starving, how can I focus on you know my spiritual journey?
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_06: I have to meet my immediate needs, you know.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_06: If I'm too tired from work, how am I going to have the time to set aside for you know meditation or or or to learn and develop uh you know on my spiritual path in a meaningful way?
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_06: It's hard.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_06: So, you know, that's kind of where I would I would challenge that view of you know seeing it uh becoming a spiritual, you know, um growth.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I think it's receding a bit.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_06: And that's just what I see.
• 1:00:33
  SPEAKER_06: And again, it's only my opinion, right?
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I well, see, I'm kind of caught in the middle of it because I see everything you're talking about.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_02: Trust me, I do.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_02: I groceries are so fucking expensive that you can't afford to keep your family fed and still pay all your bills.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's you have to you have to drop the ball somewhere.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um it's getting scary.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_02: But and they're cutting off all the resources that they give people to help them with these things, they're cutting them all off.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_02: So it's uh fucked up situation.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_02: But on the other side of it, I'm kind of as a as a paranormal as someone in the paranormal community as who talks to a lot of paranormal people, well, not as often as I used to, but on a regular basis for the most part, I see more and more people awakening.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_02: I see more and more people who never would have be think they ever would have been a clairvoyant, a psychic, uh pet psychic.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_02: Pick pick the name for it.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_02: But there's more people in the spiritual side of the world that are becoming opening up and finding their abilities in the last ten years than there ever has been.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_02: And they're not afraid to show it anymore like they would have been 30, 40, 50, 60 years ago.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_02: Like they're coming out into the w out of the woodwork.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_06: I think it's a greater sign that people are hungry.
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_06: They're hungry for something more.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean it Yeah, and but it and y yeah, they are.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_02: And it's that's it's that's basically the bottom line, but all it really is.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_02: And it's funny because it's people who were realtors and accountants and people who had normal walks of life, all kind of all kind of like breaking the matrix and stepping out of it.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_02: So it's kind of uh I mean, the analogy actually fits there, but it's kind of like something's ha it's coming.
• 1:02:23
  SPEAKER_02: So yes, it's bad.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_02: I can we hope what's coming fixes the bad.
• 1:02:28
  SPEAKER_02: So that's kind of like how I'm stuck in the middle of it.
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_06: I think it's gonna be a combination of both, and ultimately until we get there, we don't really know which side of the ball is gonna hit first, right?
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_06: And I don't I don't think even the best guesses um can tell us.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_06: We're just gonna have to see when we get there.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean that that's basically what it is.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna have to see when we get there and hope we all come out of the outside, okay.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_02: But that would be ideal.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_02: It would be, but these things in life.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, so well, buddy, I want to thank you for coming back on.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_02: You are always welcome in this show.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_02: Just you ain't have to ask, you just have to say, give me the damn link.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_02: I want to go to another episode.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_03: I'll make it happen.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, I'll I'll I'll let you know when I go back to Kenningao how that how that next showdown with that entity goes.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_02: Seriously, I mean you you you need to start doing documentaries.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like you y y you wanna make some money to support this stuff?
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like, there you go.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's how you do it.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like, get make them some like get Amazon a fucking streamer or something.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_02: Or some company.
• 1:03:41
  SPEAKER_02: There's plenty they're all into this stuff now.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like all the different streamers are making their are hiring people to make documentaries about this stuff.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_06: So it's well, I've definitely lived it.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_02: Exactly.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_02: There should be a documentary about your life.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_02: It it'd be entertaining, I guarantee that.
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I know there's a lot of stuff you couldn't show the general public, but still, like there's plenty there you could, or at least talk about.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_05: There's some highs and lows, and there's even some blooper reels, you know.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh well, th those are always entertaining as well.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, where can these folks find you if they want to get ask ask you for help with their needs, or if they want to possibly get some protective amulets or anything else you offer?
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_06: So for everything that you would want, need, or feel like checking out, you can go to my website.
• 1:04:34
  SPEAKER_06: Um, and that's www.thesaduda.com.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_06: T-H-E-S-A-D-H-U-D-A-H.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_02: Well, there you go, folks.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_02: And yes, he is easy to find.
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_02: I literally Googled him again before the show to find uh images to make the flyer again because I lost the images from two years ago.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, so yeah, it's easy to find.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_02: He comes right up.
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think there's another Sadudan uh in the world.
• 1:05:00
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't think so.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_02: It's a pretty easy one.
• 1:05:06
  SPEAKER_02: But uh folks, you know how to find me.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_02: If you don't by now, shame for shame.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_02: But check the outro, it's all there, and I think I might be back tomorrow with another interview.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_02: I gotta double check my calendar, but I might be have one more to tomorrow for you.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_02: But uh, if not, I'll see you guys next time.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_02: Have a good one, everybody.