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DEFENSE: MANGIONE'S 'BEAUTIFUL, PROMISING LIFE DERAILED' BY MURDER CHARGES · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the defense for the alleged
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Speaker 1: assassin Luigi Mangioni, actually gets up in court and talks
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Speaker 1: about how mangione is the victim, actually claiming with a
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Speaker 1: straight face that his quote beautiful, promising life has been
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Speaker 1: derailed by.
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Speaker 2: Those pesky murderer charges. Wow.
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Speaker 1: I wonder how the murder victim's family is feeling about
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Speaker 1: right now. He's leaving behind a wife and two sons,
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Speaker 1: and Luigi Mangioni's defense team claims he's the victim. And
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Speaker 1: I haven't even got started on what they are trying
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Speaker 1: to have thrown out of evidence so a jury will
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Speaker 1: never hear the truth.
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Speaker 3: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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Speaker 3: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 4: No One, what is the address of your emergency?
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Speaker 5: That's not really an emergency? I do I have a
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Speaker 5: customer here that some other customers were suspicions of that
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Speaker 5: he looked like the CEO shooter New York.
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Speaker 1: Okay, straight out to Kila Brantley, joining US investigative reporter
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Speaker 1: at large dailymail dot com. Did they actually say in
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Speaker 1: court that their client, luigim Agiani is the victim because
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Speaker 1: his quote beautiful, promising life has been derailed.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Nancy, As you mentioned, his team did paint him
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Speaker 6: as someone with a promising future. Now, one thing that
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Speaker 6: had been documented was that Luigi suffered from debilitating back pain.
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Speaker 6: This was something that he went through. He went through
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Speaker 6: back surgery. And one thing that they say here is
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Speaker 6: that the real enemy here is the medical system, and
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Speaker 6: that is one thing that you can definitely expect his
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Speaker 6: legal team.
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Speaker 1: I'll argue, Kila, can I believe you are my lion
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Speaker 1: eyes control room? Please show me him a running along
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Speaker 1: the beach in Hawaii. I've got videos of him lifting
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Speaker 1: up girls and tickling them.
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Speaker 3: It's a video.
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Speaker 1: They're all giggling hysterically, including him. I've got photos of
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Speaker 1: him lounging by the beach. I'd love to see those
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Speaker 1: photos of him hiking and what looks to be a
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Speaker 1: jungle rainfall. Oh, he is feeling no pain there, Keili Brantley,
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Speaker 1: I hope you don't fall for that look like and seeker.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Judy Hoe, did you know that Luigimanngioni is apparently
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Speaker 1: the victim in this scenario. Doctor Judy Hoe is joining
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Speaker 1: US clinical forensic neuro psychologist, author of the New Rules
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Speaker 1: of Attachment and another bestseller, Stop Self Sabotage. You need
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Speaker 1: to write one, doctor Judy Hoe about try to tell
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Speaker 1: the truth and then send it. You know, I'll pay
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Speaker 1: for it and we can send.
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Speaker 3: It to Luigi Mangioni. He is not the victim here.
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Speaker 1: But you know you can't count out the defense attorney Agnafello.
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Speaker 1: He got Sean Combs off on the major accusations in
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Speaker 1: that indictment. So no matter how ridiculous I may think
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Speaker 1: he sounds, he essentially won that case. Yes, his his
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Speaker 1: defense team that claims Luigi Mangioni is the victim. I
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Speaker 1: want to read it, doctor Judy Hope, beautiful promising life
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Speaker 1: derailed by those irritating murder charges.
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Speaker 7: Judy, Wow, beautiful promising life, Nancy, what a narrative.
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Speaker 8: And as you said, even though he's not the victim.
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Speaker 7: I think this is why there has been a fan
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Speaker 7: base though, because there's these individuals who actually believe maybe
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Speaker 7: he is a victim, that he's some type of anti hero,
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Speaker 7: that he's misunderstood. And oftentimes we see this in individuals
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Speaker 7: who might act charismatically, they just seem to pull people in.
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Speaker 7: And it's weird because a lot of these people who
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Speaker 7: develop this.
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Speaker 8: Sort of fan fanhood around Luigi.
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Speaker 7: They're kind of thinking, well, maybe I can be a
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Speaker 7: special person in his life, maybe he'll pay attention to me.
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Speaker 8: Maybe I can even develop a friendship with this person.
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Speaker 8: This person might learn to trust me. It's really interesting,
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Speaker 8: but some of it actually has to do with a
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Speaker 8: self centeredness of people who might actually talk to him,
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Speaker 8: that they're hoping to get something special out of it
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Speaker 8: for themselves.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, darted Udio.
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Speaker 1: I know you're the clinical and forensic neuropsychologist, but I
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Speaker 1: don't even know what you just said. How can the
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Speaker 1: defense stand up and say this is not about the
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Speaker 1: murder victim. Can we show, please, Brian Thompson walking along
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Speaker 1: and he's gunned down in cold blood, leaving behind two
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Speaker 1: sons and a wife. That's the victim, according to prosecutors,
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Speaker 1: is Luigi Mangioni holding a three D weapon that he
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Speaker 1: made that it took dozens and dozens of hours to
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Speaker 1: so he can gun down a guy walking to work
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Speaker 1: in the back. You stated, I don't know what that was,
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Speaker 1: doctor Judijo. I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying
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Speaker 1: I'm just a trial lawyer didn't understand it.
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Speaker 3: But I think I know.
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Speaker 1: Some of the people that consider Luigi Mangioni to be
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Speaker 1: the victim.
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Speaker 3: And here they are filing in to court.
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Speaker 1: Okay, oh what Luigi fights fascists.
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Speaker 3: Okay, look at this line.
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Speaker 1: Now, wait till you see the cat walk parade of
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Speaker 1: sad sack women filing in to They won't even show
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Speaker 1: their face to get a glimpse of Luigi Mangioni.
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Speaker 3: Yes, keep it going, Keep.
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Speaker 1: It going, because I've got hours of people. Yeah, that
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Speaker 1: was totally walking the cat walk right there, clamoring to
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Speaker 1: get in to just bask in the glow of Luigi Mangioni.
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Speaker 1: Oh it keeps going. Yeah, on and on. They had
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Speaker 1: to turn women away, and it's not just women.
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Speaker 3: Listen.
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Speaker 9: So this is who police believe was responsible for the
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Speaker 9: United Healthcare ceo PP. His name's Glubigi. All I can say,
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Speaker 9: isa miya, does he need a Mario? I believe it
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Speaker 9: was a great philosopher and poet once said, Mama, I'm
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Speaker 9: in love with a criminal, and this type of love
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Speaker 9: isn't rational, it's physical. That was Britney Spears, and I
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Speaker 9: believe we're all feeling that right now, I believe, if
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Speaker 9: you're going to do superhero like shit, you better look
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Speaker 9: like one. Okay, this man clearly did that. Did he
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Speaker 9: train at the Marvel Studios with all the other crisis Okay,
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Speaker 9: because Luigi, that's a spicy meat the ball. I'm so sorry.
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Speaker 9: I believe if we're going to claim to be a
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Speaker 9: Christian nation, that we need to act like one. And
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Speaker 9: part of acting like that is practicing forgiveness. And after
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Speaker 9: a lot of seconds of thinking, I have decided I'm
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Speaker 9: gonna forgive him. I'm ready to forgive him, right, but
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Speaker 9: not forget, because I mean, my god, how could you
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Speaker 9: forget an angel like this? I'm not gonna For a
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Speaker 9: while thought, oh my god, we're never gonna find him,
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Speaker 9: you know. And I was wrong, because somewhere on the
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Speaker 9: way the ups and downs, the highs and lows, the
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Speaker 9: masks and no masks, this man he found a way
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Speaker 9: into our hearts. He did.
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Speaker 1: I hardly even know where to start with that. That
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Speaker 1: is from mister William's spreck on TikTok. I'm in love
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Speaker 1: with a criminal and I forgive him after a few
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Speaker 1: seconds of consideration, Doctor gud Hoe It.
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Speaker 3: I can't say it gets worse. But there's more. Listen,
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Speaker 3: you can't take my man, his blood on his head.
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Speaker 3: When you're the one with the good.
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Speaker 1: Who's tacking lash for fun, you can't take my man.
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Speaker 1: And that's from Scarlett park TikTok. So it's gone beyond
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Speaker 1: calling him a spicy meatball. These people actually consider Luigimi
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Speaker 1: and Gioni their man, and they are angry with the
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Speaker 1: fans for prosecuting.
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Speaker 3: What have I gone down the rabbit hole?
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Speaker 1: Am I in some crazy bizarre alice in Wonderland?
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Speaker 3: What is happening, doctor Judy Hoe.
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Speaker 4: I know it.
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Speaker 7: Seems completely unbelievable, Nancy, but this does happen. People start
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Speaker 7: to idolize these potential uh. I mean, clearly this is
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Speaker 7: a defendant, right, But they're thinking, in their minds, this
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Speaker 7: person is innocent. Maybe I'm gonna be their special person,
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Speaker 7: and they're lusting after them the way that they would
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Speaker 7: lust after a celebrity, especially when they see photos and
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Speaker 7: videos that they can start cutting into their own social media.
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Speaker 7: They're developing a fictionalized relationship with him, a fantasy and
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Speaker 7: essentially completely erasing all of the facts that have been
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Speaker 7: evident in this case.
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Speaker 8: And clearly the defendant's.
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Speaker 7: Attorneys are trying to paint that picture as well, leaning
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Speaker 7: into it as hard as possible, because they're hoping to
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Speaker 7: influence the public opinion even before a jury is selected,
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Speaker 7: so that they can hopefully get him the outcome that
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Speaker 7: he wants, which is apparently to escape a death sentence,
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Speaker 7: escape prison. Maybe I'm not sure exactly what they think
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Speaker 7: is possible, but that's what's so scary about all the
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Speaker 7: positivity that has developed around his persona in terms of
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Speaker 7: all of these illustrations, the website they set up about
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Speaker 7: and it's really concerning.
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Speaker 3: And you know, Cheryl mccollumy is joining me.
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Speaker 1: Cold Case Investigative Research instituet, founder, author of a brand
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Speaker 1: new book, Swans Don't Swim in a Sewer, Solving the
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Speaker 1: Cold Case of the Flint River Killer's Daughter on Amazon. Cheryl, Okay,
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Speaker 1: do you remember the night that you and I were
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Speaker 1: out until two o'clock in the morning staking out a
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Speaker 1: location where we thought Luigi Mangioni was going to be apprehended.
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Speaker 3: Do you remember that night? Because I sure do I do.
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Speaker 1: How has this gotten so bass ackwards, Cheryl Nancy?
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Speaker 4: It is mind boggling that anybody is trying to paint
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Speaker 4: this killer as the victim. I mean, the victim's life
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Speaker 4: was not just promising, it was in full swing. He
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Speaker 4: had a wife and children, and a career at the
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Speaker 4: highest level. He had friends and extended family. He had
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Speaker 4: everything going for him. Mangione had none of that, but
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Speaker 4: he took everything those children, and I'm going to tell
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Speaker 4: you something, when you look at the people that are
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Speaker 4: contacting him, I hope and pray that those six thousand
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Speaker 4: letters that he's got, that one hundred and fifteen a day,
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Speaker 4: that there's some good intel in there too, because he
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Speaker 4: is writing people back, so he's communicating, and I hope
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Speaker 4: they're listing every piece of it.
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Speaker 1: Somehow this has gotten topsy turvy upside down. I haven't
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Speaker 1: even gotten into the legal implications of what is happening
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Speaker 1: in court. I'm just so concerned that one of these
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Speaker 1: nutjobs is going to end up on the ultimate jury
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Speaker 1: and acquit Luigi Mangioni under the misconception that he is
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Speaker 1: somehow the victim. Again in court, his lawyers and I'm quoting,
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Speaker 1: claim that his beautiful, promising life has been.
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Speaker 3: Derailed murder charges.
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Speaker 1: It's all about me, me me, me, me, me, This
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Speaker 1: is a millionaire's son, multimillionaire who grew up with silver
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Speaker 1: spoon stuck in his mouth and has been living in
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Speaker 1: a Hawaii high rise on the beach doing nothing, and
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Speaker 1: yet he's the victim. Can you imagine, Cheryl McCollum, how
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Speaker 1: hard Thompson had to work to get to become the
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Speaker 1: CEO at United Healthcare. It wasn't handed to him on
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Speaker 1: a silver platter on top of a Christmas tree like
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Speaker 1: it was MANGIONI. He had to work and sacrifice long,
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Speaker 1: long hours to get to where he got to to
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Speaker 1: be gunned down like a dog on the sidewalk, Cheryl.
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Speaker 4: Nancy, you cannot compare these two people. That's why I
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Speaker 4: agree with you. This whole thing is upside down. Not
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Speaker 4: only did the victim work and sacrifice, so did his wife.
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Speaker 4: You know what it is. You know how long David
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Speaker 4: has gone during the day. It's not an eight hour day,
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Speaker 4: it's a sixteen seventeen hour game. He was playing at
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Speaker 4: the top of his game. There's no doubt about it.
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Speaker 4: Mangione was giving nothing to a family, He was giving
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Speaker 4: nothing to society. He was contributing z rows and again,
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Speaker 4: what he took cannot even be measured.
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Speaker 1: If I hear one more person talk about his back pain,
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Speaker 1: that's you, Cali Brantley. I think my head's gonna blow
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Speaker 1: off because I have videos of him tickling these girls
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Speaker 1: and picking them up just before the shooting. I can't
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Speaker 1: show it because it has the girl's faces in it.
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Speaker 3: But he was feeling no pain.
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Speaker 1: But it's all about me, me, me, me, me, why me?
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Speaker 1: And he's certainly not the first. Let me refresh your recollection,
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Speaker 1: as we say in court with bride killer Jamie Lee Koumarowski.
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Speaker 1: Listen to her, right, just don't know why that's hard
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Speaker 1: to happen to.
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Speaker 7: Me, because bad things happen to good.
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Speaker 5: People, Haney, That's why.
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Speaker 3: It's just it's just something that happened to you.
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Speaker 5: And we are going to deal with the best week past.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Dave mac joining me, Crimes Stories investigative reporter. You
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Speaker 1: know who the bride killer is, right, Jamie Lee Komarowski.
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Speaker 2: She's guilty. She got totally.
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Speaker 1: Stinking drunk and plowed into a beautiful bride leaving her
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Speaker 1: wedding reception with the groom and killed her. And there
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Speaker 1: she is behind bars, going why is this happening to.
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Speaker 10: Me one, look and listen to her father, Nancy, what
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Speaker 10: does he say, Well, bad things happen to good people.
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Speaker 10: No they don't. You just killed somebody because of your
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Speaker 10: own actions. See, we've got a whole group of people
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Speaker 10: now that never want to admit they did anything wrong.
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Speaker 10: Everything is on them. How can you possibly think man
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Speaker 10: Joni is sitting here saying his life is derailed. Well,
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Speaker 10: he destroyed another life and another family. Kamarowski sitting in jail,
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Speaker 10: Why is this happening to me?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 7: Why not?
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Speaker 4: What did you expect?
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Speaker 10: What happened?
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Speaker 3: Sick of this?
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Speaker 10: Nancy is getting really tiresome.
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Speaker 1: And there is her victim, Samantha Miller in her wedding dress,
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Speaker 1: just before she's mowed down dead by Jamie Lee Komarowski.
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Speaker 3: And here's I.
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Speaker 1: Guess this would have to be the Miss Universe of
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Speaker 1: Yme Jody Arius check her out. She is more concerned
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Speaker 1: about her makeup as she is approaching trial in the
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Speaker 1: brutal stabbing and shooting death of her fiance, Travis Alexander,
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Speaker 1: who was stabbed at least twenty nine times. Joe Scott
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Speaker 1: Morgan and I have argued about that. I say it
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Speaker 1: was more than that check it out, Jody Areas, you
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Speaker 1: should have at least done your makeup before you speak
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Speaker 1: to police about murdering your fiance when he broke up
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Speaker 1: and started seeing someone else. That earlier video from forty
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Speaker 1: eight hours Jo Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, do you recall
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Speaker 1: Travis Alexander's death? Hey, stay on that video because is
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Speaker 1: they're about to question her about what could have happened
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Speaker 1: to Travis Alexander. She starts singing and there you go,
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Speaker 1: does a headstand and bemoans the fact she doesn't have
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Speaker 1: on her lip gloss. Talk about me, me, me, Joe Scott,
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Speaker 1: what happened to Travis?
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Speaker 11: Yeah, he was brutally murdered, Nancy. She had him stripped down, nude,
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Speaker 11: taking a shower, taking dirtie pictures, if you will, And
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Speaker 11: while his back is turned, she takes a knife and
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Speaker 11: plunges it into his back over and over and over again.
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Speaker 11: When he turns around to defend himself to try to
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Speaker 11: parry her stabs at him, he gets stabbed in the
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Speaker 11: chest as well. And if it wasn't enough, after he
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Speaker 11: spits up blood onto his stink, onto his sink, he
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Speaker 11: crawls tries to crawl away from her down the hallway,
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Speaker 11: she straddles him and cuts his throat from ear to
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Speaker 11: ear and the kupdi gras she shoots him after he
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Speaker 11: is dead. That's the kind of human that you're looking
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Speaker 11: at right here. She's absolutely disgusting and.
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Speaker 1: It's all about me, me, me, Scott Morgan, you've seen
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Speaker 1: it all. I'm gonna try to say, say you something
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Speaker 1: you haven't seen yet. Speaking of me, me, me, and
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Speaker 1: criminal defendants focusing only on themselves and not their victims.
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Speaker 1: There is the drunk, stinking drunk a d A Assistant
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Speaker 1: district's attorney Devin flanneing and listen to her.
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Speaker 2: As what the protocol is.
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Speaker 1: Protocol is by asketers turn off the body?
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Speaker 3: Can you have to turn it off?
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Speaker 5: And that's your protocol, lawyer.
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Speaker 11: So she knows well that lawyers.
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Speaker 6: So that's not true.
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Speaker 3: So we gotta go no it is. That's that's a law.
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Speaker 8: I'm an age, I'm an aging.
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Speaker 10: Good for you.
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Speaker 3: Let's go on.
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Speaker 1: Those two were kicked out of I think it was
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Speaker 1: a bar for being drunk and belligerent. Then you've got,
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Speaker 1: oh gosh, she's been called a screaming bands she and
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Speaker 1: do you hear going I'm an a da, I'm an ada.
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Speaker 3: Every sin it starts with I. I I listen to
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Speaker 3: this woman, Joe Scott. He needs not judge me. He
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Speaker 3: he wants to call a salt. We're gonna go through
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Speaker 3: that row. No, he wants to go through assault.
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Speaker 2: No, we're not doing that.
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Speaker 3: Then no, he he claims I assaulted him.
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Speaker 5: No, we're not doing that.
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Speaker 2: We're not doing that.
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Speaker 1: And then, of course maybe this one beats Jody Arius. No, no, no,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go with Luigi Mangioni.
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Speaker 3: And he's a beautiful life.
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Speaker 1: Dearield, I'm sure you recall Shana Hubers that gave her
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Speaker 1: ex boyfriend the quote nos jop he always wanted with
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Speaker 1: a handgun.
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Speaker 3: Listen, Starry Vain.
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Speaker 9: One of our last conversations we had that was good
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Speaker 9: was sitting once my best friend of the dentists to
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Speaker 9: do with the marrs and want to get a noob,
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Speaker 9: just that kind of person.
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Speaker 12: And I'm right here.
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Speaker 2: I gave him his nose job.
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Speaker 12: He wanted.
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Speaker 7: I want to marry me if they.
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Speaker 9: Know that I kill my boyfriend and helped. Not funny,
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Speaker 9: but I'm not, you.
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Speaker 12: Know.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor, forensics and death investigator. Your forte
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Speaker 1: is dead bodies and causes of death and modes of death.
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Speaker 3: Let me go to special guests.
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Speaker 1: Joining us now, Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrists joining us
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Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angie Arnold, what is that?
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this for yourself, but
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Speaker 1: me and Gioni's defensive team is actually arguing.
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Speaker 3: His life was derailed by the murder charges.
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Speaker 13: You know, Nancy, My thought is that's all they've got.
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Speaker 13: Who cares if his life was derailed. He is accused
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Speaker 13: of murdering someone. Maybe his life should be derailed. But
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Speaker 13: the way I feel about this is, Nancy, that's all
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Speaker 13: they've got to say. That is the only thing they've got.
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Speaker 1: I've seen photos of Luegia Minchioni practicing yoga, tickling.
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Speaker 3: Multiple girls in a hallway all at once. Every shot
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Speaker 3: I see of him, he's out in nature. He's not
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Speaker 3: at work. We keep hearing he quit his job. He
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Speaker 3: was laid off. Gee, I wonder why maybe the job
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Speaker 3: interfered with the.
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Speaker 2: Tickling crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Throughout this week, Luigia Mangioni and his defensive team have
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Speaker 1: been fighting it out in court to get a lot
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Speaker 1: of evidence suppressed. Forget about all the sad sack women
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Speaker 1: lined up to get in. Forget about the martyrdom of
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Speaker 1: Luigi Mangioni.
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the facts and the law.
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Speaker 14: Listen taking orders as she tells the operator, I have
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Speaker 14: a customer here that some other customers were suspicious of that.
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Speaker 14: He looks like the CEO shooter in New York, and
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Speaker 14: they're generally upset and come to me, and I'm like,
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Speaker 14: I can't approach him. The manager continues working and can
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Speaker 14: be heard talking about bagels, at one point shouting one
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Speaker 14: of them is no better. The nine one one operator,
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Speaker 14: Emily States, testifies about the call and is heard to
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Speaker 14: ask for a description, with the manager replying, the only
21:39
Speaker 14: thing you can see is the eyebrows.
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Speaker 1: Joining us is Skuy Lazarro. She's a veteran criminal defense attorney.
21:46
Speaker 1: She's practiced in both She's practiced in both state and
21:49
Speaker 1: federal court. She is with Ray Quinny and nebeker Sky.
21:53
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. If the defense is
21:56
Speaker 1: arguing that Luigimngioni was illegally arrested, the nine to one
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Speaker 1: one call occurred before the arrest, So what could be
22:09
Speaker 1: the possible grounds for suppressing that call by the McDonald's manager.
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Speaker 15: I think they're going to have a really hard time
22:16
Speaker 15: keeping the nine one one call out. I can understand
22:19
Speaker 15: it from a defense perspective. You have to try, but
22:22
Speaker 15: when it comes to nine to one one calls, as
22:24
Speaker 15: long as you can lay the foundation for it, it's
22:27
Speaker 15: probably coming in.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you one thing I know Sky lazarro
22:32
Speaker 1: that they hate about this nine to one one call.
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Speaker 1: We had the same thing happen in the Idaho Slaghings
22:41
Speaker 1: for Beautiful Idaho University Students, where Dylan Mortenson described Brian
22:47
Speaker 1: Coberger's freaky, bushy eyebrows.
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Speaker 3: Listen, just remember seeing.
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Speaker 16: This figure that was like not fat obviously, but more
22:55
Speaker 16: of like the skinnyer tongue build.
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Speaker 3: And some mask on.
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Speaker 16: I don't know what the ma exactly was, but when
23:01
Speaker 16: I thought about it, it was just like covering here
23:03
Speaker 16: and here. I don't know if he's covering his mouth
23:05
Speaker 16: his nose or below his mouth and nose. I just
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Speaker 16: remember knowing that he was white, but I didn't know
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Speaker 16: how he was white. I just knew he was and
23:13
Speaker 16: this knowing there's like I knew he had looked at
23:15
Speaker 16: me because of a bushy eye.
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Speaker 9: That's all I remember.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is Tom Smith, former NYPD detective thirty years now,
23:25
Speaker 1: star of the gold Shields podcast, and he covered the
23:30
Speaker 1: very same streets where Brian Thompson was gunned down in
23:33
Speaker 1: cold blood. You know, I have had a killer identified.
23:40
Speaker 1: He was a chef, by the way, identified by a
23:42
Speaker 1: particular limp that he had. I've had a bank robber
23:49
Speaker 1: identified because he walked sleugh footed, in other words, like
23:53
Speaker 1: a duck. They are all sorts of ways to identify someone.
23:58
Speaker 1: It can be by voice, it could be any number
24:02
Speaker 1: of things. In this case, the McDonald's manager said, bushy eyebrows,
24:09
Speaker 1: and there's.
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Speaker 3: No doubt that's Luigi Mangioni.
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Speaker 2: They hate it.
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Speaker 3: They hate that identification.
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Speaker 12: Tom, Yeah, they do, because you know, it shows how
24:19
Speaker 12: important Nancy and we did this when we first started
24:22
Speaker 12: talking about this case, how important the videos and all
24:26
Speaker 12: the photos were to get out to the public, even
24:29
Speaker 12: if his face was covered, even if he was in
24:31
Speaker 12: a cab or whatever it was, because those eyebrows jumped
24:36
Speaker 12: off the page to everyone who looked at it. That
24:39
Speaker 12: was the number one thing that everyone looked at as
24:41
Speaker 12: a looking point and identification point when it came to him,
24:46
Speaker 12: and it just showed that the quicker they got those
24:49
Speaker 12: photos out, the better it was.
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Speaker 1: In the end of this. You know, I'm very curious
24:54
Speaker 1: about this, the fact that he is identified at McDonald's
24:59
Speaker 1: by his eye browse, among other things. Let's say the
25:02
Speaker 1: pictures of the McDonald's. There you go, there, he is
25:05
Speaker 1: at McDonald's. But skyl Azaara, don't you think that the
25:09
Speaker 1: defense should be more concerned about the fact that he
25:13
Speaker 1: can be identified at the time of the killing.
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Speaker 3: He showed his face repeatedly.
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Speaker 5: I agree with you.
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Speaker 15: He probably should have been a little bit more careful
25:22
Speaker 15: at that time and that should be the stuff they're
25:24
Speaker 15: seeking to exclude, and maybe they will, I think as
25:27
Speaker 15: it goes to the nine to one one call. The
25:29
Speaker 15: defense's probably only argument is that these are witnesses who
25:34
Speaker 15: identified him, not from the shooting. They weren't there that night,
25:38
Speaker 15: so they can't say I saw him do the shooting.
25:41
Speaker 15: They just want to exclude it because he's at the McDonald's.
25:44
Speaker 15: The problem is they get to the McDonald's and it
25:47
Speaker 15: turns out to be him.
25:48
Speaker 1: Speaking of getting to the McDonald's. The defense is arguing
25:53
Speaker 1: that while he wasn't really under arrest, he was kind
25:57
Speaker 1: of under arrest because so many police started showing up
26:01
Speaker 1: and massing at the McDonald's. They were concerned, if this
26:04
Speaker 1: is Luigi Mangioni, the healthcare assassin, he's probably armed, and.
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Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, he was. He was armed.
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Speaker 1: There was a weapon in his backpack sitting right there
26:14
Speaker 1: with him, so they were right. Now, what the defense
26:17
Speaker 1: is arguing is that having multipolice multiple police officers show
26:21
Speaker 1: up is tantamount equal to arresting him. Why do we
26:25
Speaker 1: care because police engage in a conversation with him to
26:30
Speaker 1: identify him, and he spilled a lot of information in
26:34
Speaker 1: that conversation. The state says it was before his arrest.
26:39
Speaker 1: Why does it matter, because a statement taken while you
26:44
Speaker 1: are in custody without miranda will be suppressed. So they
26:50
Speaker 1: want the judge to believe that because several police officers
26:53
Speaker 1: showed up at McDonald's, that me and Gioni was effectively
26:57
Speaker 1: under arrest in any statement he made pre.
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Speaker 3: Miranda should be suppressed.
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Speaker 1: That's not going to happen when I walk into Let's
27:07
Speaker 1: just pretend a Chipotle and all the Atlanta PD are
27:10
Speaker 1: in there getting a salad.
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Speaker 3: I don't feel like I'm under arrest. Think about it. Listen.
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Speaker 14: Mangoni stares at monitors showing his arrest at McDonald's. Manjoni
27:21
Speaker 14: sits to eat breakfast. At nine oh three. Eleven minutes later,
27:25
Speaker 14: the nine one one call is made. Nine twenty eight
27:27
Speaker 14: two police officers show up and begin talking to Mangoni.
27:31
Speaker 14: The restaurant slowly begins to fill with police until nine
27:34
Speaker 14: forty two, when at least eight officers are visible on
27:37
Speaker 14: the recording. The defense claims packing the place with police
27:40
Speaker 14: amounts to unlawful attention prior to Mangoni's arrest. Agnifilo argues
27:44
Speaker 14: police surrounding Mangoni and the McDonald's this tantamount to illegally
27:48
Speaker 14: detaining the alleged killer. Agniffilo also takes exception with the
27:51
Speaker 14: way officers treated Mangoni's backpack during the arrest, claiming it
27:55
Speaker 14: was warrantlessly searched on the scene.
27:58
Speaker 3: In other words, they looked in his back. Cheryl McCollum
28:01
Speaker 3: joining me.
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Speaker 1: She is not only a crime scene investigator and founder
28:05
Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Research Institute, but she is also
28:08
Speaker 1: the star of a hit podcast which I actually put
28:11
Speaker 1: on a loop sometimes. Cheryl McCollum, Zone seven, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: has it ever dawned on you when you go into
28:18
Speaker 1: McDonald's for a cup of coffee, that you're arresting somebody,
28:22
Speaker 1: that you're a mere presence equals an arrest, Because that's
28:27
Speaker 1: what they're arguing and what they're trying to do, Cheryl,
28:30
Speaker 1: is get out from under what Manngioni said to police
28:33
Speaker 1: pre miranda and.
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Speaker 3: Them finding evidence in his backpack.
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Speaker 4: I think the body cam is going to be so
28:43
Speaker 4: critical here because it's going to show all of his actions.
28:47
Speaker 4: It's going to, you know, show the world that he
28:50
Speaker 4: stood up and thought he was under arrest. Only a
28:53
Speaker 4: guilty person would think that, Nancy. What the defense is
28:56
Speaker 4: doing is there basically, look, you use newer to make
29:00
Speaker 4: something grow, right, So they are planting and cultivating and
29:04
Speaker 4: trying to grow this story that he's the victim, that
29:07
Speaker 4: he didn't do anything, that he was under arrest, and
29:10
Speaker 4: now we can't use anything, and it's just be a while.
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Speaker 3: This legal warfare is taking place in a courtroom.
29:18
Speaker 1: Manzione's attorneys continue to insist that he's the victim.
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Speaker 17: He's a young man and he is being treated like
29:27
Speaker 17: a human ping pong ball between two warring jurisdictions here,
29:31
Speaker 17: and they are literally treating him like he is like
29:38
Speaker 17: some sort of political fodder, like some sort of spectacle.
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Speaker 3: He was on display for everyone to see in the.
29:43
Speaker 17: Biggest staged purp walk I've ever seen in my career.
29:47
Speaker 17: There was no reason for the NYPD and everybody to
29:50
Speaker 17: have these big assault rifles that frankly I had no
29:52
Speaker 17: idea it was in their arsenal.
29:54
Speaker 3: And to have all of these these the.
29:57
Speaker 17: Press there, the media there, it was like perfectly core aoreograph.
30:00
Speaker 17: And what was the New York City mayor doing at
30:03
Speaker 17: this press conference?
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Speaker 3: He is a walking talking contradiction.
30:07
Speaker 4: He supposedly is against this wealthy CEO is yet he
30:11
Speaker 4: comes for money.
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Speaker 1: This is a guy living in a high rise in
30:15
Speaker 1: Honolulu waking up to the beach every morning.
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Speaker 3: Did you wake up to a beach this morning?
30:19
Speaker 1: Dec?
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Speaker 5: I sertain not.
30:21
Speaker 1: The Luigi Mangioni defense is fighting tooth and nail to
30:26
Speaker 1: keep out what happened in that McDonald's, and as Cheryl
30:29
Speaker 1: McCombs pointed out, that bodycam is going to be so
30:31
Speaker 1: significant because it doesn't matter what the state says. It
30:34
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the defense says or how much Luigi
30:37
Speaker 1: Mangioni claims he's the victim. What matters is what really
30:40
Speaker 1: happened inside that McDonald's. They're not going to get the
30:43
Speaker 1: nine one one call suppressed, that's not happening. But what
30:47
Speaker 1: happened in the McDonald's Is the state going to lose
30:50
Speaker 1: valuable evidence on illegal technicality?
30:55
Speaker 3: Why is it they want that backpack suppressed?
31:01
Speaker 1: Straight out to Investigator at large for dailymail dot Com
31:05
Speaker 1: kill Lebrandley.
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Speaker 3: What was in the backpack? Nancy?
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Speaker 6: There was a three D printed gun. It's a handgun
31:13
Speaker 6: which is believed to could possibly be the murder weapon.
31:16
Speaker 6: There was a notebook with handwritten notes in it, and
31:19
Speaker 6: he also had a knife on him, which was discovered
31:22
Speaker 6: about twenty minutes later, so he was armed and at
31:25
Speaker 6: that point he was considered very dangerous.
31:27
Speaker 3: Okay, hold on, what did you.
31:29
Speaker 1: Say was written in Mangione's spiral notebook that was in
31:33
Speaker 1: his backpack that he.
31:35
Speaker 6: Wanted any use the word whack the healthcare CEO whack
31:38
Speaker 6: meaning kill herd destroy.
31:42
Speaker 1: No wonder they want it suppressed to Dave mac Crime
31:46
Speaker 1: Stories investigative reporter. Tell me about the three D gun
31:51
Speaker 1: sometimes called a ghost gun.
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Speaker 10: But Nancy, you know we've been we have not been
31:56
Speaker 10: given the very specifics of what type of gun. We
32:00
Speaker 10: know it's a pistol, but we don't know the exact
32:03
Speaker 10: name of it. Three D printed firearms take a massive
32:06
Speaker 10: amount of time and filament far more than any other.
32:10
Speaker 10: Deliberator is the most common, and it's the easiest one
32:13
Speaker 10: to print. It takes the shortest amount of time. Deliberator
32:17
Speaker 10: takes thirty hours of constant printing with non stop printing.
32:22
Speaker 10: Nancy thirty hours to print the easiest of all the pistols.
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Speaker 1: Tom Smith, here's the thing with a ghost gun is
32:29
Speaker 1: made on a three D printer. Tom, It's unserialized. That's
32:35
Speaker 1: why they're so popular amongst criminals. You think Grandpa as
32:41
Speaker 1: is long gun, is shotgun under the bed? You think
32:43
Speaker 1: it's a three D printed gun. No, it's got a
32:46
Speaker 1: serial number. Why is it so serious that a ghost
32:51
Speaker 1: gun is un serialized.
32:55
Speaker 12: Well, because you can't trace it. No matter what you
32:58
Speaker 12: do with that weapon, it cannot be traced back to you.
33:01
Speaker 12: And that is why so many criminals and Luigi Maggioni
33:05
Speaker 12: of course went to the lengths that he did to
33:08
Speaker 12: make that gun, because that is the predetermined and premeditation
33:12
Speaker 12: of it. Already, he's already thinking ahead of that gun
33:16
Speaker 12: not being traced to him, and that is part of
33:19
Speaker 12: this as well.
33:20
Speaker 1: Tom Smith, you're exactly correct. To Joseph Scott Morgan, let
33:24
Speaker 1: me introduce him formally. He is a professor of forensics
33:28
Speaker 1: at Jacksonville State University with an incredible criminal procedure program.
33:32
Speaker 1: He's the author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.
33:35
Speaker 1: He is a death investigator that has handled thousands of
33:38
Speaker 1: death sayings, and he's a star of hit podcast Body.
33:42
Speaker 1: Back to Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, what is a
33:48
Speaker 1: suppressor or commonly known as a silencer.
33:53
Speaker 11: Yeah, stay away from the term silencer, because no weapon
33:57
Speaker 11: is silenced, it is suppressed. That means that the crack
34:01
Speaker 11: of the sound you're talking about a perhaps supersonic round,
34:06
Speaker 11: it's traveling, you know, past the speed of sound. So
34:08
Speaker 11: what you want to do is reduce that sound that's
34:11
Speaker 11: put forth from the muzzle. If you take a close look,
34:15
Speaker 11: I'm glad that you have that image. You take a
34:17
Speaker 11: close look at that weapon. There the end of that
34:20
Speaker 11: muzzle is actually threaded. What that means is is that
34:25
Speaker 11: it's adaptable. It's adaptable to contain a suppressor. The suppressor
34:29
Speaker 11: is displayed here. It's that long black cylindrical object there.
34:33
Speaker 11: It can be screwed on on the end. Well, you
34:36
Speaker 11: want to knock down the sound, so it's not going
34:39
Speaker 11: to draw attention to you when you fired this thing.
34:42
Speaker 11: Because let's just say that it is a non suppressed weapon.
34:45
Speaker 11: This thing's going to echo through the canyons down there
34:48
Speaker 11: in Manhattan, through all of those buildings. You'll still hear
34:51
Speaker 11: a sound, but it'll be a slight crack. It's not
34:54
Speaker 11: like it's portrayed in movies, okay, but it will reduce
34:57
Speaker 11: the sound, it doesn't completely eliminate it. And the purpose
35:00
Speaker 11: of this is so that you're not going to draw
35:02
Speaker 11: attention to any one. It does reduce, say, some of
35:07
Speaker 11: the capabilities of the weapon as far as the effectiveness
35:11
Speaker 11: of it at a greater range. But this is not
35:15
Speaker 11: a close range. As a matter of fact, if we
35:17
Speaker 11: were to look at the body here, it would be
35:20
Speaker 11: classified as indeterminate because you're not going to have any
35:23
Speaker 11: kind of sut deposition gun unperned gunpowder. It will have
35:28
Speaker 11: fallen away by that time, but this is not too
35:30
Speaker 11: distant of a shot. You'll still have that same muzzle
35:33
Speaker 11: velocity striking into Brian Thompson's body. It's effectively lethal.
35:38
Speaker 1: Joining me now, the star of Zone seven podcast, Cheryl
35:44
Speaker 1: McCollum is with us. Cheryl who has un serialized guns
35:51
Speaker 1: and silencers.
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Speaker 4: Criminals, And maybe there's another thing. Even though this is
35:57
Speaker 4: a three D printed weapon, it's still gonna lead marking
36:01
Speaker 4: on casons and they're gonna be able to be, you know,
36:05
Speaker 4: determined that this weapon fired the bullets that murdered Brian Thompson.
36:11
Speaker 4: So forensically, it's not going to get you out of trouble.
36:15
Speaker 4: They may not can trace it to a manufacturer, to
36:18
Speaker 4: a bar that they can absolutely determine that that bullet
36:23
Speaker 4: was fired by that weapon.
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Speaker 3: Cheryl McCollum, you're so right, and Tom Smith, this is
36:30
Speaker 3: like a fish in water for you. Every day you
36:33
Speaker 3: were getting off.
36:34
Speaker 1: The streets of Manhattan guns to match with bullets, bullets
36:39
Speaker 1: that were literally dug out of victims' bodies.
36:44
Speaker 3: And Cheryl said it right.
36:47
Speaker 2: A bullet hurls down the barrel of.
36:50
Speaker 1: A gun, that gun may look like all the other
36:54
Speaker 1: guns in the gun store showcase. But it's not because
36:58
Speaker 1: inside the barrel, the metal has cooled in a certain
37:03
Speaker 1: way and it leaves ridges and imperfections on the inside
37:09
Speaker 1: of the barrel, and as that bullet shoots down the barrel,
37:13
Speaker 1: it is forever marked by those imperfections. So when you
37:19
Speaker 1: take the murder weapon to the crime lab and you
37:22
Speaker 1: shoot a bullet through the murder weapon, and you take
37:26
Speaker 1: the known bullet dug out of the victim and you
37:29
Speaker 1: put it under a microscope next to the one you
37:32
Speaker 1: just shot, it's like a fingerprint. No other gun, be
37:37
Speaker 1: it a three D printed gun, a grandma's Bessie's out
37:41
Speaker 1: from under her her mattress, you can track and identify
37:47
Speaker 1: like a fingerprint, that bullet came from that gun.
37:51
Speaker 3: Isn't that true?
37:54
Speaker 12: And that's the best way to say it. It's it's
37:56
Speaker 12: the gun's fingerprint and the ballistic check of that in
37:59
Speaker 12: the twist and all of that is what you match up.
38:03
Speaker 12: And it is a fingerprint that is unmatchable, you know,
38:06
Speaker 12: to anyone else. It is strictly to that weapon that
38:10
Speaker 12: you will match up the weapon. Take the round taken
38:14
Speaker 12: out of the victim and match it up and that
38:16
Speaker 12: is damaging when it comes to court.
38:19
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and Tom Smith, that is why they are
38:22
Speaker 1: fighting to the death in court to keep that jury
38:27
Speaker 1: from every knowing of a ballistics match.
38:30
Speaker 3: That his three day pretty gun is the murder weapon.
38:35
Speaker 1: Listen to Alvin Bragg, the Manhattan District Attorney, for.
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Speaker 18: Nearly an hour we alledged to the definitet waited in
38:42
Speaker 18: the area near the Hilton Hotel waiting for mister Thompson
38:47
Speaker 18: to appear. From six thirty eight am to six forty
38:50
Speaker 18: four am. The defendant stood across from the entrance of
38:53
Speaker 18: the hotel on West fifty fourth Street. When he saw
38:56
Speaker 18: mister Thompson, he crossed the street and approached him from behind.
39:01
Speaker 18: We alleged he then took out a nine millimeter three
39:04
Speaker 18: D printed ghost gun equipped with a three D printed
39:08
Speaker 18: suppressor and shot him once in the back and once
39:11
Speaker 18: in the leg.
39:17
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, So what about his beach
39:23
Speaker 1: bum life?
39:24
Speaker 3: Just before the assassination.
39:26
Speaker 7: Right around the time he disappeared, he traps off to
39:29
Speaker 7: Asia and he went on a backpacking trip.
39:31
Speaker 1: The beach Bumb photos and the two thousand dollars month
39:34
Speaker 1: eye Rise and the Frola King and Honolulu. Oh my goodness,
39:39
Speaker 1: he might as well bucked up with the writz Caleb Brantley,
39:43
Speaker 1: Daily Mail. The defense for Luigi Maggioni is also trying
39:48
Speaker 1: to suppress statements he allegedly made to his guards. He
39:52
Speaker 1: had special guards behind bars, so nothing would happen to
39:57
Speaker 1: him like it did to Epstein. So let's first talk
40:00
Speaker 1: about Thomas Rivers, the former British infantryman who was minding Mangioni.
40:06
Speaker 1: What did Manngioni allegedly say to Rivers, Nancy?
40:12
Speaker 6: Luigi was held for ten days in Pennsylvania, and he
40:16
Speaker 6: had spoken about being very disappointed that he was being
40:19
Speaker 6: compared to the unibomber. He also said that mainstream media
40:24
Speaker 6: was more focused on crime, and that when you looked
40:27
Speaker 6: at social media, they were really more focused about the
40:30
Speaker 6: healthcare industry, which, according to this officer, is what Luigi said.
40:35
Speaker 6: This was really about.
40:36
Speaker 3: Wow. Sounds like a confession to me, Sky lazarro Oopsie.
40:40
Speaker 15: Nancy, I agree and disagree.
40:42
Speaker 3: Here's the problem.
40:43
Speaker 15: They put these guys in a situation like that in
40:46
Speaker 15: solitary where they can't talk to anybody else. And the
40:49
Speaker 15: other thing is that we know these officers didn't document
40:53
Speaker 15: any of this. They're supposed to be taking notes seven
40:55
Speaker 15: times an hour about what he's doing and his well being,
40:59
Speaker 15: and he don't write down anything like he just made
41:02
Speaker 15: an admission.
41:05
Speaker 1: Sky Lazarro, Did you say it's a problem he's being
41:08
Speaker 1: held in solitary. You know who else is in solitary,
41:12
Speaker 1: Brian Thompson, except his is a casket.
41:16
Speaker 2: So you're telling me.
41:18
Speaker 1: Again, I can't believe you're buying into this, Sky Lazarro,
41:21
Speaker 1: that he's the one that's being tormented.
41:23
Speaker 3: You know what else?
41:24
Speaker 1: He told Rivers that Rivers should really read Doors a
41:29
Speaker 1: Perception by Aldus Huxley, which is all about psychedelic drug
41:34
Speaker 1: trips and mystical interpretations. Needless to say, Rivers did not
41:40
Speaker 1: read the book. But there is another guard that he
41:45
Speaker 1: talked to. This is the one I'm really interested in listening.
41:49
Speaker 14: Officer Matt Henry wasn't chatty with the alleged killer. That
41:52
Speaker 14: doesn't stop Man Jonny from telling Henry he was caught
41:54
Speaker 14: with a three D printed firearm, the weapon used to
41:57
Speaker 14: murder CEO Brian Thompson. Attorney Mark Niphelo challenges Henry, saying,
42:02
Speaker 14: so he just blurted out to you that he had
42:04
Speaker 14: a three D printed pistol. Henry Drily replies yes too.
42:08
Speaker 3: Doctor Angela Arnold joining us.
42:10
Speaker 1: She's a renowned psychiatrist out of the Atlanta jurisdiction at
42:13
Speaker 1: Angela Arnold dot com foreim Professor Psychiatry.
42:18
Speaker 3: It goes on and on.
42:20
Speaker 1: Former medical director at the psychiatric Obgy Inklin at Grady,
42:24
Speaker 1: which never has a lack of business. I found a
42:27
Speaker 1: lot of witnesses and victims at Grady Hospital, Doctor angel Arnold.
42:34
Speaker 3: Why is this so hard?
42:35
Speaker 1: I've met a jury's not going to have a hard
42:37
Speaker 1: time believing this that Luigi Mangioni, who has had a
42:40
Speaker 1: lifetime of entitlement, would blab to his guards why they're
42:46
Speaker 1: his new friends.
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Speaker 3: They would never betray him, right?
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Speaker 6: Yeap?
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Speaker 9: Oh sure?
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Speaker 19: And you know, Nancy, he probably suffers from some sort
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Speaker 19: of personality disorder in which he thinks about him so
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Speaker 19: an awful lot. So he really doesn't He may not
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Speaker 19: see that he's done anything wrong, and he probably hasn't
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Speaker 19: suffered any consequences for any of his actions in the past,
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Speaker 19: and so that would make him more likely to almost
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Speaker 19: be bragging about what he's done and to let other
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Speaker 19: people know what he's done. This is typical for his
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Speaker 19: behavior in all likelihood throughout his existence.
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Speaker 1: Tom Smith joining me, Former NYPD detective thirty years now,
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Speaker 1: star co host of gold Shields podcast, Tom, What is
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Speaker 1: wrong with rich people? Do they think they can just
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Speaker 1: get away with everything? Anything and everything they can confess
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Speaker 1: they can stay. Yeah, they caught me with the three
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Speaker 1: D printed gun, which is the murder weapon.
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Speaker 3: What is wrong with them?
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Speaker 1: Have you noticed the same sense of entitlement sometimes does
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Speaker 1: them end? Because they think they can buy off everybody
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Speaker 1: that everybody wants.
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Speaker 3: To be their friend, but these two guards do not
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Speaker 3: want to be his friend.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, they've lived their whole life like this, Nancy. You
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Speaker 12: know they've gotten what they want, did they'd either pay
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Speaker 12: for it or the power that they have has influenced
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Speaker 12: someone's decision into what they're getting or what they're doing.
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Speaker 12: And they just think that holds true for every aspect
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Speaker 12: of their life, including killing someone. I mean, that's how
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Speaker 12: deranged they are when it comes to the entitlement that
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Speaker 12: they believe they are are owed when it comes to
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Speaker 12: murder or you know, killing a bride. We did that show.
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Speaker 12: You know, it's just constant and it just keeps coming up,
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Speaker 12: and it's absolutely disgusting.
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Speaker 3: Tom.
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Speaker 1: I want you to look at a picture if I
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Speaker 1: can get the controller to put it up for me,
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Speaker 1: dig through those files. I want to see the picture
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Speaker 1: allegedly Mangiani, who's presumed innocent, holding up the three Day
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Speaker 1: with the silencer on it, pointing directly at Brian Thompson's back.
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Speaker 1: According to police, he waited an hour for just the
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Speaker 1: right moment. There's his backpack which was recovered at the McDonald's.
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Speaker 1: There's his outfit which he had with him. There's the
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Speaker 1: three D weapon.
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Speaker 3: And let's look at Brian Thompson walking along early morning
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Speaker 3: going to a work conference. He shot in the back
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Speaker 3: right there.
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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to play that when he actually
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Speaker 1: gets shot, because someday, somehow his boys might look this
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Speaker 1: up online and I don't want this to be stuck
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Speaker 1: in their memory. Calla Brantley. Were any of men g
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Speaker 1: Only's family members in court and were any of the victims'
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Speaker 1: family members in court this week?
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Speaker 6: Not that we know of Nancy, but a lot of
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Speaker 6: Luigi's supporters And one thing, have you heard of pretty privilege?
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Speaker 6: Because it absolutely feels like Luigi is benefiting from that
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Speaker 6: by having hordes of fans because he is a handsome
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Speaker 6: man that he is benefiting from pretty privilege. And I'm
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Speaker 6: sure his defense team is happy that they have a
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Speaker 6: relatively attractive man as a client.
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Speaker 3: Kiala, I don't find him attractive.
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Speaker 1: Every time I look at him, I see a tail
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Speaker 1: swishing in the back and two horns right here.
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Speaker 3: That's what I see.
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Speaker 1: What is happening in court this week is critical. If
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Speaker 1: this evidence is suppressed, there may be no justice in
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Speaker 1: this case. A man shut down on the sidewalk on
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Speaker 1: video and no justice. We wait as justice of folds.
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Speaker 1: But now we remember an American Hero Reserve Deputy Sheriff
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Speaker 1: John Stall, Jefferson County Sheriff's Indiana, killed in a line
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Speaker 1: of duty after fifteen years of service, leaving behind a
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Speaker 1: devastated wife turned widd American Hero Reserve Deputy Shriff John Stall,
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Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,