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What Mainstream Historians Don't Want You to Know About Ancient America · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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  Speaker 1: They found a wall in Montana bigger than a football field,
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  Speaker 1: twenty five feet tall, thousands of years old, and mainstream
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  Speaker 1: historians refuse to look at it. Why you're about to
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  Speaker 1: find out, Let's go directly to Montana because my upbringing
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  Speaker 1: said that this area where we live showed up sort
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  Speaker 1: of in history about I don't know less than a
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  Speaker 1: thousand years ago, five six, seven hundred years ago, and
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  Speaker 1: it turns out it might be tens of thousands of
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  Speaker 1: years old. What is in Montana that I can learn from?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if what we are uncovering up in Montana turns
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  Speaker 2: out to be of human construction, that would push dates
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  Speaker 2: back for the Americas significantly. It's a site called the
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  Speaker 2: Stage Wall. It is on private land owned by Chris
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  Speaker 2: and Linda, who are the owners of the land up
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  Speaker 2: there at a place called Sage Mountain Center. So this
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  Speaker 2: is what appears to be a megalithic wall about two
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  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five in length, about twenty five feet high,
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  Speaker 2: and it has a lot of the similarities for ancient
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  Speaker 2: sites around the world, similar to places like Saksi, Woman
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  Speaker 2: and Peru where you see these megalithic structures that really
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  Speaker 2: confound people as to how these kinds of structures were built.
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  Speaker 2: These are things that we don't do today, even we're
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  Speaker 2: not even able to do today. So this would be
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  Speaker 2: up there of the level of things like stone hinge
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  Speaker 2: to pyramids, places like in Peru like Machu Picu and
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  Speaker 2: sacs of woman that if this turns out to be
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  Speaker 2: something that is man made and constructed.
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  Speaker 1: Well, have we, through archaeology found the remains the bones
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  Speaker 1: of people that are twelve thousand years old in the Americas?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have. You know, this this site, very
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  Speaker 2: interestingly is right near the Clovis sites where we have
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  Speaker 2: discovered bones and things from ancient humans, right in that
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  Speaker 2: area in the Montana area, So I think it's only
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's less than fifty miles away from another site,
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  Speaker 2: another ancient site there, so there's a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 2: going on out there. The site itself sits on an
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  Speaker 2: area called the Boulder Batholith Region, and since the discovery
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  Speaker 2: of the site in the late nineties by the property owners,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it's been notoriously overlooked by archaeologists or geologists
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  Speaker 2: who just have no interest in going out there to
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  Speaker 2: check this out. So weird. Yeah, whether this site ends
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  Speaker 2: up being man made or not. It's certainly warrants investigation
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  Speaker 2: and a closer look at which the property owners have
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  Speaker 2: been funding themselves. So there is data being released. They've
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  Speaker 2: just released a lot of data to the public from
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  Speaker 2: ground penetrating radar to light are and it's produced some
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  Speaker 2: interesting results at the site there.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what's interesting do you mean? My good, it's my college.
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  Speaker 1: He's a filmmaker, explorer, author Wandering Wolf Productions dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Go follow them over on line and get his book
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  Speaker 1: called Lost and Found. What jumps out of me? And
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  Speaker 1: I've had a conversation with Graham Hancock about this. It
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  Speaker 1: seems as though the modern day so called historians or
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  Speaker 1: those people who are pretending to be the all knowing
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to archaeology and history. They don't want
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  Speaker 1: to know what's in Montana. They don't want to know
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  Speaker 1: that civilization in the Americas could go back twelve thousand years.
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  Speaker 1: They don't want to know what's being uncovered in South America,
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  Speaker 1: what's happening over in Europe? Why is that? Why don't
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  Speaker 1: they want to know? Because they want to be the
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  Speaker 1: be all end all when it comes to information. I
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  Speaker 1: don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we really have an Ivory Tower situation here where
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  Speaker 2: it's like, you know, it rewrites. Rewriting history is clearly
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  Speaker 2: something that's pushed back against by academics, and it's been
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  Speaker 2: that way for quite a long time. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: rewriting history. We've continued to have to do that, but
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  Speaker 2: archaeologists seemingly want to be the ones that are responsible
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  Speaker 2: for doing that if there needs to be changes. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we've experienced as recently with Goeck sites like go Beckley
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  Speaker 2: Teppe pushing back the dates for our you know, stuff
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  Speaker 2: like our theories around being hunter gatherers, and then that
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  Speaker 2: site dating back over ten thousand years eleven thousand years
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  Speaker 2: with megalithic construction. So I completely wrote, rewrote the narrative.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're still talking about Christopher Columbus coming over
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  Speaker 2: and discovering the Americas when we know the vikings and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: we're here way before that, and there's all sorts of
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  Speaker 2: stuff in the America specifically that is often overlooked. It's
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  Speaker 2: not like these things are unknown or archaeologists don't talk
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  Speaker 2: about it or don't know about it, but the average
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  Speaker 2: public consumer or person who's interested in these things aren't
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  Speaker 2: typically aware of stuff like Cohokia or the mound cultures
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  Speaker 2: in the America which pushed these dates far further back
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  Speaker 2: than is typically discussed or talk about. But yeah, there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of gate keeping going on.
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  Speaker 1: When you talk about these monumental walls, these unbelievable structures.
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  Speaker 1: Twelve thousand years ago, they didn't have anything. They had
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  Speaker 1: nothing like what we have today. We haven't found the
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  Speaker 1: remains of machinery from back then or technology from back then,
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  Speaker 1: but they somehow got it done. Same thing with the Pyramids.
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  Speaker 1: I have a friend who just got back from Egypt
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  Speaker 1: and she interviews a guy who was convinced that laborers
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  Speaker 1: decided to work for thirty years to take one rocket
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  Speaker 1: a time go build the Pyramids. Do we have any
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  Speaker 1: better idea today on what it is or that was
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  Speaker 1: the technology of the day where you could have built
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  Speaker 1: an incredible, you know, perfectly symmetrical wall and arena and
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  Speaker 1: you know palaces that they look like that were uncovering
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  Speaker 1: all over the world. Do we have any idea how
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  Speaker 1: they did that, because, as you said, we probably couldn't
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  Speaker 1: do that planet and do it today in any sort
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  Speaker 1: of you know, quick timing. And I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: we have the machinery today. Do we know how they
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  Speaker 1: did it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know how they did it. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things when without getting into speculation around certain
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  Speaker 2: theories around like out there theories that typically negate the
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  Speaker 2: conversation with someone like an academic, what we are seeing.
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  Speaker 2: What we can say from this is that the typical
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  Speaker 2: viewpoint of this linear progression of humankind that kind of
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  Speaker 2: starts way down here and then goes way up here
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  Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be the case. It seems like there
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  Speaker 2: were more likely cycles of advancement through the course of
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  Speaker 2: history dating bench further back than you know. The established
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  Speaker 2: narrative is credit for it of cultures and societies that
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  Speaker 2: were by far more advanced than we like to give
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  Speaker 2: credit for, who are capable of doing these things and
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  Speaker 2: constructing these monuments from our past that still exists today
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  Speaker 2: that we can't explain.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Mike, what, let me ask you this, then, did
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  Speaker 1: they all die? Because why wouldn't that technology just get
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  Speaker 1: better and better and better and better. If you go
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  Speaker 1: to the exception of cell phones, which is infantile compared
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  Speaker 1: to what we're talking about, but it's a gigantic bag.
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  Speaker 1: You had to carry around. Then it was a block
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  Speaker 1: a look like a brick, and then it was a
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  Speaker 1: smaller thing, that small thing small. We just built on
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  Speaker 1: the technology. If they had this incredible technology, which clearly
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  Speaker 1: they did, unless we're gonna say aliens did it, and
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  Speaker 1: I know we don't want to get into that, but
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  Speaker 1: if they have this incredible technology, unless they all died,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't it be left over for their their children and
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  Speaker 1: their children's children and so on? And then we would
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  Speaker 1: have built upon the technology that was able to create
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  Speaker 1: these incredible structures.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it would be that way, except that we
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  Speaker 2: throughout history see these uh collapses as a civilization of cultures,
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  Speaker 2: of societies, these these you know, catastrophic collapses. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: not even going back into like the younger, dryest theories
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  Speaker 2: and things like the you know, getting into like the
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  Speaker 2: biblical flood and things like that. I'm just talking about
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  Speaker 2: the natural ebb and flow of collapsing societies back down
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  Speaker 2: to base levels. You know, we watched it with Rome.
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  Speaker 2: There's plenty of of of cultures and things that have
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  Speaker 2: reached these peaks and then just completely fallen apart through
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  Speaker 2: internal struggle, struggles, war and all sorts of things, from
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  Speaker 2: economics to all sorts of different factors that have collapsed civilizations.
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  Speaker 2: You reach a certain level at a peak where technology
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  Speaker 2: reaches a point. If everything in America or worldwide collapse
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  Speaker 2: right now, how many people would know how to make
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  Speaker 2: a phone. Nobody's gonna know how to make a phone
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  Speaker 2: or a computer, right So this idea of being able
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  Speaker 2: to just you know, having a societal collapse and then
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  Speaker 2: pass on that knowledge people during a collapse like that,
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  Speaker 2: they're worried about survival. There's no more money. You go
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  Speaker 2: down to base level bartering systems just for survival. So
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  Speaker 2: things like phones, computers, and things that might have even
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  Speaker 2: existed in the past would not survive.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine if they had computers and phones and
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  Speaker 1: faster internet than we have today. I mean, that would
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  Speaker 1: be it's mind boggling to think about. But we clearly
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  Speaker 1: don't have any idea what the everyday life was of
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  Speaker 1: a human being on Earth twelve thousand years ago. Do
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  Speaker 1: we do? Do we have an idea like ooke up
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  Speaker 1: in the morning and then did this before going to bed?
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  Speaker 1: We have no clue, do we.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you listen to modern academics, then you know,
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  Speaker 2: we were hunter gatherers Andy, and before we moved into
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  Speaker 2: agrarian societies and armors and things like that. But you know, yeah, again,
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  Speaker 2: the evidence for these ancient sites speaks otherwise. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we've got a site like O Beckley Teppe with megalithic
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  Speaker 2: structures dating back over ten thousand years that pushed the
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  Speaker 2: entire framework of human progression back by thousands of years
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  Speaker 2: and upon its discovery, and you know, those are things
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  Speaker 2: that hunter gatherers weren't doing. I think anybody, you know,
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  Speaker 2: any reasonable person can look at a site like that
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  Speaker 2: and say, hey, this took a lot more to align
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  Speaker 2: this with the stars, to be astronomically aligned, to be
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  Speaker 2: these giant megalithic blocks and structures and things like that
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  Speaker 2: have put this in place in the ways in which
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  Speaker 2: they did.
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  Speaker 1: It's Mike Collins, the Wandering Wolf. Go to a Wandering
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  Speaker 1: Wolf over on YouTube, make sure you subscribe. Get his
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  Speaker 1: book called Lost Then Found, A Traveler's Quest for Truth.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't traveled extensively. I did go to Italy when
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  Speaker 1: I was fifteen. My grandfather, who was from Italy, would
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  Speaker 1: take a bunch of us every once in a while,
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  Speaker 1: and I did get to go to the coliseum. I
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  Speaker 1: did get to see some of the ruins I got.
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  Speaker 1: Seeing it in person is so different than seeing it
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  Speaker 1: in a picture, even in a video, because there's something
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  Speaker 1: gigantic about what they were able to achieve way back
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  Speaker 1: in the day. So tell me about the first time
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  Speaker 1: you went and saw something in person and what that
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  Speaker 1: was inside of you that said, I really need to
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  Speaker 1: go experience these things. And what blew your mind that
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  Speaker 1: you were standing in front of it or in it
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  Speaker 1: for the first time.
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  Speaker 2: It was, yeah, super easy to reference. I started traveling
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  Speaker 2: and the first ancient site that I visited, I've been
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  Speaker 2: into this stuff for years. First ancient site I visited
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  Speaker 2: was a site in Peru called Saxu Wuman, and standing
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  Speaker 2: in front of that site and these massive megalithic stones
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  Speaker 2: just immediately I just knew, immediately in that moment, this
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  Speaker 2: is what I wanted to do with my life. And
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  Speaker 2: it's been a wild ride since it's been about ten years.
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  Speaker 2: I've now visited somewhere over three hundred plus ancient sites
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  Speaker 2: around the world and documented them. And yeah, it was
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  Speaker 2: you know what the prevailing thought at the time that
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  Speaker 2: stuck with me through all these years, is if people
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  Speaker 2: were capable of doing something like this that long ago,
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  Speaker 2: what I might what might I be capable of just
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  Speaker 2: doing with my life? Like you know, at the time,
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  Speaker 2: there was a lot of you know, my life was
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  Speaker 2: very different than and so there's been a lot of uh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, work on bettering myself over the years, and
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  Speaker 2: I go over that in my book. It's a real
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  Speaker 2: raw look at that process throughout the years, and so
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  Speaker 2: that really stuck with me. If people could do this
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  Speaker 2: back then, supposedly primitive people back then, can I not
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  Speaker 2: just do something as simple as change my life and
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  Speaker 2: pursue a dream? And that's how this all started.
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  Speaker 1: It's Mike Collins, the Wandering Wolf. So you go to
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  Speaker 1: Peru and you're blown way by it? Is the first question?
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  Speaker 2: How?
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  Speaker 1: Or is the first question? I didn't know? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: does all that bubble up? And you say to yourself,
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  Speaker 1: I need to figure out how the hell they did this?
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  Speaker 1: And the only way to do that is to go
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  Speaker 1: and stand and be present at all of these sites
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  Speaker 1: that I've now hearing about? Or was that the first
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  Speaker 1: one that you heard about? And then you said there
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  Speaker 1: must be more like this? And then you started to
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  Speaker 1: expand your reach.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very much like what you just mentioned on
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  Speaker 2: your trip to Italy. There's something different between you know,
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  Speaker 2: knowing about these places, seeing them, and then being there
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  Speaker 2: in person. It's it's completely different. So you know, being
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  Speaker 2: there and seeing it for yourself, it's it's very much
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  Speaker 2: a changing experience. And what I wanted to do was
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  Speaker 2: share that I love getting into the details of these
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  Speaker 2: sites and you know, going over you know, picking and
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  Speaker 2: pulling at threads through history and seeing how it might
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  Speaker 2: all be connected. But what I'm really motivated by is
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  Speaker 2: documenting things and sharing that with the with the world
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  Speaker 2: in a way that other people might be motivated to
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  Speaker 2: go have these experiences for themselves. That's really where I
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  Speaker 2: focused my energy on, is documenting sites worldwide. I really
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  Speaker 2: love getting into the lesser known sites or the harder
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  Speaker 2: to reach sites, and then sharing that with the public
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  Speaker 2: so they might, as I was, be motivated to go
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  Speaker 2: out there, travel a little bit see something for themselves,
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  Speaker 2: because I truly believe it'll change you as a person
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  Speaker 2: having those experiences in real life.
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  Speaker 1: It's not Mike Collins The Wandering Wolf, a couple of
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  Speaker 1: schools of thought. Let's rebuild what they used to have
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  Speaker 1: and see the way they looked in ancient times, or
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  Speaker 1: let's uncover it and show what's left and not touch
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  Speaker 1: because it's sacred. Where are you on that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a tough one. Look, I'm not against archaeological reconstruction.
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  Speaker 2: I just happened to feel after visiting so many sites
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  Speaker 2: all around the world, what I've noticed is that there
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  Speaker 2: is a process. So you know, when you go to
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  Speaker 2: places like Tiataea Khan, I think the average traveler, which
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  Speaker 2: is down in Mexico, just outside of Mexico City, it's
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  Speaker 2: the massive pyramid down there that's all concrete, So so
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  Speaker 2: you know, they've completely rebooted that site with poured concrete
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  Speaker 2: and stone. So you know, when you go to these sites,
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  Speaker 2: the average person doesn't know that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And as you start going as to as many sites
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  Speaker 2: as I've been around the world, you start being able
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  Speaker 2: to see the level of reconstruction, you start asking yourself, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: what is the point here? Is the point here to
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  Speaker 2: rebuild the site to its approximation of what it used
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  Speaker 2: to be? Or are we are we now looking at
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  Speaker 2: the you know, kind of the the taking advantage of
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  Speaker 2: these sites for tourism dollars, and it.
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  Speaker 1: Could be they could be reimagining them. Did they actually
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  Speaker 1: know what they used to look like? Or are they
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's the issue, and you
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  Speaker 2: have to start looking at the underlying factors here. You
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  Speaker 2: look heritage tourism, which is what this is, is something
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  Speaker 2: around eight hundred and billion dollars a year industry right now.
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  Speaker 2: It's projected to top of trillion dollars per year worldwide
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  Speaker 2: by twenty thirty. Wow, So it's May and that's only growing.
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  Speaker 2: There's no sign of this slowing down. You know, you
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  Speaker 2: have people completely building careers out of this now on
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  Speaker 2: YouTube and different things, similar to what I've done here
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  Speaker 2: over the last ten years. So you know, going around
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  Speaker 2: visiting these sites and documenting them, and I think it's
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  Speaker 2: really important that people are doing that, documenting these places
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  Speaker 2: before they get completely rebuilt and turned over to these
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  Speaker 2: international corporations that start running these sites for tourism dollars,
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  Speaker 2: and these places start guilding, built over and stuff. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we've had a huge controversy over the last several years
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  Speaker 2: with that at a site that I just mentioned, Go
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  Speaker 2: Beckle Tepee over in Turkey, which I was fortunate enough
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  Speaker 2: a visit on the day that they removed olive trees
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  Speaker 2: that were planning on the site, and that was a
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  Speaker 2: big point of contention for people that were saying this
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  Speaker 2: needed to be removed, and archaeologists saying, oh, it was fine.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: And then you know, I was able to show up
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: there just by happenstance on the day that they removed
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: those trees to help preserve that site. It just took
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: them forever to do that. And the other big issue
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: there was if you look at that site, there's massive plans.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: This is this is probably the most right now, the
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: most important ancient site in the world. It's the one
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: that pushes these dates back significantly and has rewritten history
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: in such a huge way. And they're building massive steel
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: pylons for walkways directly into the center and the heart
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: of that site. And building you know, hotels and and
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: and things right outside the front of that that whole area,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: and you know there's plans for just a massive level
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: of tourism. So you're balancing this, you know, finding the
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: truth about history and I'm covering that and looking for
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: secret you know, looking for the information about our past,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: and then managing the tourism aspected. They did a lot
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: of these sites. They do need to make money to
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: fund the archaeological work. I get that, but there needs
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: to be a balance. You know, when a site like
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: go Beckley Teppy has only been excavated maybe somewhere between
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: five to ten percent for as many years as they've
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: been working on that site, but yet we're seeing them
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: build luxury hotels and that's just dumb. Yeah, and million
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: dollars walkways.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I'll give you an example that I think that will
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: really illustrate this to the audience, and hopefully this will
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: illustrated to you too. And again it's just like yesterday.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Graceland is exactly the way that it was when Elvis
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: was alive. I've been there several times, Big Elvis fan,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you walk in his nineteen seventy five TV is there
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: his record player is there. The same piano was there.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: They didn't change it whatsoever. Across the street, you got
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: a bunch of hotels and a bunch of places where
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: you can go and stay. And I think that's what
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: you're laying down. Don't don't mess with go Beckley Tepee.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, build the hotels a mile away or two
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: miles or three miles away. Let us continue our work here.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: If they're building new structure to get people into it,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: to see it, to collect money, they're ruining the Did
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: they not know they're ruining the original structure? If they
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: changed Graceland, I'd be mad, I'll be honest with you,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I'd be very upset that it's not exactly the way
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: it was when he died. And this is again, fifty
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: years ago. Why wouldn't they be at least smart enough
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: to say, let's just not mess with this place. We'll
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: go do it over there.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you on that. That's
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: exactly where I where I rest on this issue is
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: is I'm not against there being tourism. You know, I
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: want to go to these places. I want to see
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: these places, but not at the expense of, you know,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: damaging the site, or you know, paving over a building
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: on top of areas that might have significance later on
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: that we don't know about yet, right, So yeah, I
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: think it should be handled more carefully. And the problem
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: is you get these detached corporations coming in and start
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: running the show and they need a return. So you know,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: like with go Beckley Teppy of the Doses Group, which
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: there is an international company come in and buy their
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: rights to manage that site and collect money for I
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: can't remember the exact amount, but it was. You know,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: it's just a few million dollars to get rights to
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: run that site for twenty years and they collect and
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: collect the money on the on the on the on
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: the sites from that, so it you know, it's it
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: can be done both ways. If you know, profits don't
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: have to be one thousand percent per person on the
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: on on on the site. So absolutely, you know there's
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: a way to do it responsibly. And I would think
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: that archaeologists would be and look, there's a look. I
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: don't want to sit here and detegrate all archaeologists. I've
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: most archaeologists that I've talked to in person, one hundred
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: percent of the archaeologists that I've talked to face to
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: face are amazing. But what you have online is archaeologists
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: that are seeming to be more focused on becoming personalities themselves,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: whether that's YouTubers or whatever. They have side things going on,
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: and so their interesting levels seem to just be whatever
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: someone like me or other people who are interested in
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: these topics might say. It's like they just instantly take
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: the opposite viewpoint, which.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Is Mike Collins. Go get his book called Lost and
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Found The Travelers Quest for Truth. Go follow them on
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: YouTube right now. Wandering Wolf is his act over on YouTube.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Let me ask him more about Go Beckley Teppe, because
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I think I know why this was so monumental. I'm
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: going to say it, and you can tell me how
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: dumb I am, but I definitely want you to expand
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: upon it. I think this blew out of the water
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the supposition of how long humans have been on Earth
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: because of this discovery. It shows an age that goes
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: well than what we used to think right on.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Might expand upon that. Just tell me when was this discovered?
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Why is this so important?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, you know, it's important because it pushed back
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: our understanding of history that linear path that I was
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: talking about a progression of humans. This predates everything and
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: shows that there was a level of sophistication building of
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: monuments and structures and things that we were told for
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: so long was not true. And often this is what
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: we're saying. You know, people like myself who have traveled
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: around the world looked at sites all over the place.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I may not have a degree and something related to
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: this field, but at what point do you need to
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: see enough? You know, is three hundred sites around the world,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: documenting three hundred sites and seeing similarities between these things
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: enough to have an opinion. Yes, you know that's my opinion.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Ten years of research and traveling and documenting sites everywhere
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: around the world, you know, I think entitles me to
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: at least have an opinion, whether you agree with that
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: or not. And what we're saying here is that we
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: keep having things show up and shut and prove that
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: history is not what it has been written to be,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: and that we should remain open minded for new discoveries
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: and entertaining ideas that may seem oftentimes out of the
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: realm of possibilities, because they do seem to keep being
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: proven true.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: It is Mike Collins go and grab his book called
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Lost and Found. And again let's go back to what
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier on in the interview. The establishment for
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: some reason doesn't want to believe they were wrong for
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: all these years. Why not when you're studying history, is
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: it about isn't it about uncovering the actual story? I mean,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: who cares so far? It could go back five billion years?
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: If we find that out, that's cool. We should learn
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: about that. Why are they so against averse to saying,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you know what, for the past fifty years we were
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: wrong and we found this out. Look how right we
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: are now? I mean it's still them that gets the credit.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: What's the difference?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. You know, it's a lot of
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: books that will have to be rewritten.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: So what rewrite them? That's cold? Make more money on it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand. Look, I completely look like you.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I learn a lot about my field, and I really
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: love being right and I love proving people wrong. But
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: if I've been shown the light and been shown that
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: what I thought for all these years was wrong, I
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: would say, man, I had no idea. Guess what I
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: can now tell you? The right story? I mean, if
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: anything it vindicates historians continuing to find more history.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, there's a lot of strings
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: attached to these types of professions when you're working in
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: you know, the you know, the academic setting, whether it's
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: colleges or whatever, right or you're working for the government
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: in a lot of different countries doing these excavation work.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: But the money isn't it's usually coming from private funding.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: A lot of times, a lot of these things come
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: with strings attached. So you know, everybody wants a piece
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: of the And like I said, when you start looking
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: at the numbers, you know, like I said about the
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: heritage tourism industry, and these these are big numbers. Eight
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: hundred million dollars a year we're at right now, we're
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: about to go in to top a trillion dollars for
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: just a few years worldwide. It's a lot of money,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: and and and and these sites can bring in a
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: huge amount. It's not just the money that the site's making,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: you know, it's money that that that the country is
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: making off of tourism and the influx of foreign dollars
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: into the country. So you know, there's a there's definitely
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: a there's definitely the you know, uh uh, a desire
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: to control the narrative on a lot of these things.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: You also have to look at places when you're in
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: places like Turkey or something, you know, or some foreign country.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's like it could be a Christian predominantly Christian country,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: or it could be a predominantly Muslim country, and you
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: unearth something that completely rites rewrites the narrative. Next thing
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: you know, you're you're talking aboutolitical problems here within that
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: society if you start unearthing things that rewrite the narrative
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: on something like scripture or you know, beliefs, belief systems,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: cultural belief systems within that area. And we often don't
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: think we look at the map in the world often
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: as it being very much in place, but people have
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: moved and migrated all over the different place and we
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: found that, you know, we found you know, types of
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: people in places where they're not supposed to be mummified,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: things like that that we've had to really contend with.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: And these have been big issues in different places like
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Egypt or in China and stuff like that.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: So let's bring it back to the Americas if you
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: don't mind, because that's really really interesting. What you just said,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: is Mike Collins get his book. It's called Lost and
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Found A Traveler's Quest for Truth.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Is it out now?
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: They can go get it on Amazon anywhere right now.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: It's on Amazon. It's out right now. Absolutely, yeah, all right.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: So the history of the America is obviously we don't
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: know it. We're learning about it. We're starting to find
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: out more stuff. But a big argument, and I'm not
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: going to get political with you. I don't know if
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: you're if you're liberal or conservative, it doesn't really matter.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: We're on the same page.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Good, okay, So, but what matters to me and to
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: you is that we find out the actual history of
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: the land on which we sit. There's nothing wrong with that.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: And the argument from the left constantly is that we
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: stole the land and we killed the people and we
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: committed a genocide. But we're talking about, you know, six
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: hundred years ago, We're not talking about twelve thousand years ago. Mike,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: through your research and through your YouTube page at Wandering Wolf,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: do you have any idea how many civilizations have lived
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: where we are right now? Do we have any clue? Yeah,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: it didn't start five hundred years ago.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: We know that. No, No, not at all. No, so
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: we're talking about you know, ten thousand plus years. You know,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: people have inhabited these these lands, so it's you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: what do we That's and that's the main thing North
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: America is very interesting, is that we don't have these
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: big accepted examples of the of major societies and stuff
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: like we do with these other megalithic structures. If we're
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: just talking about these these types of findings, right, which
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: is why I you know, we have these the malculture.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: We do have plenty of discoveries. We've discovered footprints and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I think it's white sands at date back tens of
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: thousands of years. You know, there's all sorts of stuff
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: that do show habitation here going back quite a long ways.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: But we don't have these monumental structures, these megalithic type
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: of structures like the pyramids or Gobecley Tappy or different
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: things in North America. You know, all that stops basically
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: right there around Mexico. So what happened here, knowing that
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: people have existed here is that has kept us from
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: having these types of structures. Are ones that are as
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: similar to these other ones with the same type of
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: similarities found around the world, because a lot of these
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: ancient structures around the world and on different continents, they
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: show that almost identical type of construction techniques and features
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: and things like that that really have to make you
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: look at there being some kind of interconnectedness between them.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna ask. I mean, this goes back to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: what we just talked about. I mean, was there some
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: form of internet, even if it's by sending carrier pigeons,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Because there's no way there should be the same structure
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: in Mexico that is in Egypt, that's in Turkey, that's
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: that's in Montana. That should not happen. And the only
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: way that happens is somebody saw how well that worked.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: And I'd like to do one of those here. Why
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: is there a pyramid in Mexico when there are pyramids
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: over in Egypt? I mean, so can we uncover is
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: there any way And this might be a dumb question,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: but is there any way to uncover the actual communication
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: abilities that we had twelve thousand years ago? I mean
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: we should be on earthing something that would have been Okay,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: it happened in Egypt, which is really or another crazy question,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: was that you know, well, all of the continents might
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: have been closer together before they split. I mean, who
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: the hell knows, because all the continents fit together if
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: you look at it, you know, all the land masses.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: What do you think was going on? Because there's no
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: way somebody in Egypt and twelve thousand years ago could
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: possibly get a message to somebody in Mexico. Les's they
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: had the ability to in a communication system that where
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: yet to understand.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just think I think, first of all, we
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: have to just let go of that thought process that
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: these that people around the world weren't interconnected in some
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: way and trading in knowledge and all sorts of different things.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: You know, we we we're now showing we we have
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: We're show we've discovered vegetation that it connects Easter Island
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: to South America, which is crazy far away. It's crazy.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: We have tobacco showing up in Egypt, showing that there
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: was you know, uh, somehow tobacco made its way over
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: to Egypt at some point to look for for people,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: for you to look at for people to look at
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: something like the Pyramids Go Beckley Teppee or something like that,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: and think that they were capable of building that. But
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: they weren't capable of building a boat that could circumnavigate
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: the globe. You know, it just doesn't make sense. I
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: think these people. You know that there's plenty of the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: there's probably plenty of examples of civilizations throughout history who
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: were just going all over the place exchanging knowledge and
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: all sorts of stuff. Now, that doesn't really explain that
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: the lack of things like megalithic structures in North America
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: when you find them everywhere else in the world, right,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: but it does show that there's just this you know,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: you know, when you look at these monuments around the
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: world and date a lot of them back to ten
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: plus thousand years, you know, if they could do that,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: and with the mathematics that they were using for lining
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: these things up, with the with the stars and the skies,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: astronomy and things like that, to think that they couldn't
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: build a boat and get over to America, I think
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: is kind of ridiculous.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is kind of ridiculous. Well, I got to
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: tell you, man, I've learned a lot in the past
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: thirty minutes. I'm gonna go to your page and watch
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: every single thing this week, and I'm gonna bringe it
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: I hope everybody else does as well at Wandering Wolf.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Got to Wandering Wolf Productions dot Com to go see
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: what Mike does. Get his book called Lost and Found
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: My Brother. That was a great amount of knowledge. It's small.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: It is a very small and short amount of time.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Let's do this again a weekend. I really learned a
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: lot from it up too.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to thank you for having me on.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: You're very welcome. Go and check them out again. Lost
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: In Found the Travelers, Quest for Truth. That's the book
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: Wandering Wolfproductions dot Com. That's it for Unshaken on Afraid
• 32:02
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