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- 0:00Close your eyes for a second.
- 0:01Actually, if you're in the car, don't do that.
- 0:03If you are not in a car, do it.
- 0:06Close your eyes and imagine a cemetery
- 0:09where every headstone is an RSS feed.
- 0:12No flowers, no visitors, just millions of little grace slabs
- 0:17that say episode one, welcome to the show.
- 0:20Episode two, so much exciting stuff coming.
- 0:23Episode three, dot, dot, dot, then nothing.
- 0:30This is the podcast graveyard.
- 0:33And if you've made more than 10 episodes,
- 0:35you're already in the top slice of survivors.
- 0:41Welcome back to your mic.
- 0:42My name is Freddie Cruz and some stats people throw around
- 0:44include the one that most people don't make
- 0:48it past episode three.
- 0:49And of the shows that get past episode three,
- 0:51a big chunk die before episode 10, much less 20.
- 0:54One analysis put only about 15 to 20%
- 0:59of Apple podcasts catalog is actually active,
- 1:02meaning they release something in the last 90 days.
- 1:06So yeah, the podcast graveyard is huge,
- 1:09but nobody thinks they're going to be there.
- 1:11They all start the same, I'm different, I'm committed.
- 1:15I've got so many ideas and so many interesting stories.
- 1:22Then life swings and suddenly it's been five months
- 1:24since the last upload and they're ghosting their own show.
- 1:27But for context, let's back up and put some language on this.
- 1:30Pod fade, all one word pod fade is when a podcast
- 1:35slowly stops releasing new episodes.
- 1:38No announcement, no finale, just longer and longer gaps
- 1:42until poof, nothing.
- 1:45It can happen at episode three, seven, 25 heck.
- 1:48It could happen at episode 100.
- 1:50The number doesn't matter, the pattern does.
- 1:53So why do people really quit?
- 1:55You've heard the polite version busy.
- 1:58Life happens, timing, true, but also shallow.
- 2:04Underneath the same themes show up over and over.
- 2:08Burn out and overwhelm.
- 2:10People go hard early in the game, heavy editing,
- 2:14long episodes, detailed show notes,
- 2:16social campaigns on top of jobs and families.
- 2:19And then they burn out fast, understandable.
- 2:23Also, they don't have a clear plan.
- 2:26They had ideas for two episodes and vibes for the rest.
- 2:29Once the initial excitement wears off, they hit a wall.
- 2:33What do I make now?
- 2:35Bad expectations.
- 2:37And oh man, do many podcasters have bad expectations.
- 2:41They thought they'd be monetized, viral or known
- 2:45in just a matter of months.
- 2:46And when that doesn't happen, motivation evaporates,
- 2:50which means they were not cut out
- 2:53to be podcast hosts to begin with.
- 2:55Then come the inconsistency spirals.
- 2:58They miss a week than another.
- 3:00Each gap makes it harder to come back,
- 3:02both emotionally and algorithmically.
- 3:05Kind of like going to the gym,
- 3:06where you skip once and sick eyes just once.
- 3:08Then you skip twice now, it's just, you know, twice.
- 3:11And then you skip two weeks in a row.
- 3:13Yeah, like that.
- 3:14And there's technical misery.
- 3:16They hate editing and they don't want it outsource
- 3:18or they can't afford it outsource.
- 3:20They hate gear, they hate all the post-production aspect.
- 3:23So every episode feels like homework instead of enjoyment,
- 3:27instead of fun and podcasting should be fun.
- 3:32No matter what the topic, you gotta find joy
- 3:35in being the host.
- 3:37You put all those aspects together.
- 3:40And eventually the host looks at the mic
- 3:42and feels nothing but dread.
- 3:45And if that's you, you're not weak.
- 3:48You're just a human who's designed a show for fantasy
- 3:52and not for survival.
- 3:54So how do you avoid your own little headstone?
- 4:01First, stop assuming weekly
- 4:04is the only real cadence that matters.
- 4:06It doesn't, right?
- 4:07At Speak Podcasting, we have several clients
- 4:10who publish twice a month all year round.
- 4:12And it works.
- 4:13It does.
- 4:14You could batch four episodes.
- 4:16In other words, two months worth of content
- 4:19over the span of a single afternoon.
- 4:22We've done that.
- 4:23It is sustainable, all right?
- 4:26And a lot of industry stats show
- 4:28that active shows release weekly or biweekly.
- 4:31But that includes teams, budgets, and people
- 4:33whose entire job is the show.
- 4:36And if you are doing this on top of a full-time life
- 4:40and you can't afford a podcast production company
- 4:42like mine, you're gonna need some constraints.
- 4:45Which means you're gonna want to design for survival,
- 4:48not hype.
- 4:50Tactic one, seasons.
- 4:52Instead of, I'll drop every week
- 4:54until the sun explodes, try eight to 12 episodes
- 4:57around a theme, then a planned break.
- 5:00Use the breaks to rest, evaluate, and plan next season.
- 5:04You're less likely to pod fade if pauses
- 5:07are part of the design, not a shameful secret.
- 5:09Tactic two, lower the production bar
- 5:12where it doesn't matter.
- 5:13The graveyard I can tell you is full of people
- 5:16who tried to sound like a full NPR team
- 5:18with one exhausted brain.
- 5:20Ask yourself, could episodes be 15 to 25 minutes
- 5:24instead of 45 to 60?
- 5:26Could you cut fancy sound design
- 5:28and just go for clean, clear audio?
- 5:30One of the most successful podcasts of all time
- 5:34is the Jaco podcast.
- 5:36His show has no music.
- 5:39I haven't listened in a while, but when I was listening a lot,
- 5:42it would just be welcome to the Jaco podcast.
- 5:46This is episode 275,000
- 5:48because he does have a lot of episodes.
- 5:50With me, Jaco willing.
- 5:52That's it.
- 5:53That was the intro, and then he'd get into the hype.
- 5:56Also, you want to ask yourself,
- 5:58if you can simplify the text-based content aspect
- 6:01of your podcast, you know, like show notes.
- 6:04Can you make them enough to be useful
- 6:06instead of tiny novels?
- 6:07Perfectionism is pod fades, height man.
- 6:11Tactic three.
- 6:13Batch, like your life, depends on it.
- 6:17Because it does.
- 6:18Most pod fade guides recommend building a small backlog,
- 6:22three to five episodes before launching
- 6:24or before a busy season.
- 6:25We launched our longest client, The Rose.
- 6:28Their podcast, let's talk about your breasts
- 6:30with 19 episodes in the can.
- 6:34Yeah, that should give you an idea
- 6:37of what it's like to build a system
- 6:39before launching, before going public.
- 6:42That way, if you have a bad week,
- 6:44if you have a misrelease, if you have a sick kid,
- 6:46if you have a skipped month,
- 6:47if you have a flaked out gastro-three in a row,
- 6:50your show does not death spiral.
- 6:52Tactic four, have a content plan
- 6:55longer than whatever I feel like.
- 6:58People who survived past the danger zone
- 7:01tend to know who their show is for,
- 7:03what problems they're solving
- 7:04and what kinds of episodes they're going to rotate through.
- 7:07You're not waking up every single Monday
- 7:09trying to invent an idea from scratch.
- 7:11Even a simple outline, like one solo rant, one interview,
- 7:15one case study, one Q&A per month,
- 7:18makes it easier to stay alive.
- 7:20I just gave you four episode ideas
- 7:22for a whole month right there.
- 7:24One solo rant, one interview, one case study,
- 7:26one Q&A per month, boom, rents, repeat.
- 7:30But here's the twist, all right?
- 7:32Sometimes the right move
- 7:35is to just let the show die.
- 7:38That one Reddit post, the infamous Reddit post,
- 7:41you see quoted a lot.
- 7:42It was quoted on Modern Wisdom.
- 7:44That was where I first heard it.
- 7:4590% of podcasts don't get past episode three.
- 7:50And that's what I'm saying.
- 7:52Episode three, and 90% of the rest,
- 7:56quit after episode 20.
- 7:58It also makes a good point.
- 8:00Sometimes you should kill a project
- 8:02that isn't working instead of martering yourself to do it.
- 8:06There's a difference between, this is hard but worth it,
- 8:08and this is draining directionless,
- 8:10and I'm only clinging to it because quitting feels like a failure.
- 8:13And a lot of pot fade is accidental ashamed quitting.
- 8:17There's power though, an intentional quitting.
- 8:20If your show has no clear purpose,
- 8:23it doesn't energize you even occasionally.
- 8:26If your show is not helping the listener you care about,
- 8:29then you're allowed to end it on purpose.
- 8:31Record a finale, be up front with it.
- 8:33Tell people where else to find you.
- 8:35You're on social media, right?
- 8:36You've got a newsletter.
- 8:37Have them subscribe to your newsletter.
- 8:39Harvest what you learned into the next thing.
- 8:43Closing a chapter with intention
- 8:45is definitely not the same as ghosting your own feet.
- 8:49So two questions to keep you out of the pot fade graveyard.
- 8:54One, am I tired because this is hard or because this is wrong?
- 8:59Hard, you stretched, but you still care about the mission.
- 9:03You're willing to adjust format cadence or scope to keep going.
- 9:08Wrong is you dread the entire process.
- 9:12You wouldn't miss it if you stopped.
- 9:14Two, if this show is worth saving,
- 9:17what is the smallest sustainable version of it?
- 9:21Maybe you switched to seasons.
- 9:23Maybe you dropped to bi-weekly.
- 9:25Maybe you cut the episode length and editing complexity.
- 9:29Maybe you bring on help or a co-host or both.
- 9:33Stats say the majority of shows will never answer these questions
- 9:37and they'll quietly stop.
- 9:39You don't have to be in that majority.
- 9:42So here's your challenge.
- 9:44Write episode eight on a sticky note.
- 9:47Even if you're way past it, all right?
- 9:49That's the ghost that haunts the graveyard.
- 9:51Decide.
- 9:52What do I need to change so I'm still publishing 90 days from now?
- 9:56And if the real answer is I need to end the show
- 9:59and build something truer,
- 10:01be brave enough to give your podcast a proper funeral
- 10:04instead of leaving it unmarked in the dirt.
- 10:06Listen, the graveyard is enormous,
- 10:08but the bar to outlast most of it
- 10:10is keep breathing on purpose.
- 10:12Your show is not a headstone yet.
- 10:14So if you'd like some help ensuring you never, ever, ever podthaid,
- 10:19grab the official Speak Podcasting Roadmap now.
- 10:22Speakpodcasting.com slash free resources.
- 10:26That's S-P-E-K-E podcasting.com slash free resources.
- 10:31Appreciate you listening.