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Wayne Allyn Root’s WAR Zone 08-29-25 Hour 1 · Wayne Allyn Root’s WAR Zone Podcast

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  Speaker 3: This station is not responsible for injuries. This is Wayne
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  Speaker 3: Allen Root, direct from the entertainment capital of the world,
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  Speaker 1: What time is it?
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  Speaker 2: It's time for War!
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  Speaker 3: Here's your host, 100% raw truth, 100% American made, the warrior,
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  Speaker 3: Wayne Allen Root.
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  Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, here we go. Welcome, welcome, welcome to
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  Speaker 2: the War Zone. Day 28 of August 2025. My name
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  Speaker 2: is Lee Elsie filling in for the one and only
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  Speaker 2: Wayne Allen Root, who has the next couple of days off.
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  Speaker 2: He'll be back again on Wednesday of next week. So
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  Speaker 2: you got me. If you want to reach out to me,
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  Speaker 2: Where can you see us? Well, just about everywhere. It's
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  Speaker 2: a growing audience for sure. Of course, all the great
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  Speaker 2: radio stations across the country that have us on. That's
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  Speaker 2: does a fabulous job they've got us on right now
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  Speaker 2: shop for all of that so you know as we
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  Speaker 2: are on the eve of labor day the end of
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  Speaker 2: a summer i uh i do again i do a
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  Speaker 2: morning show if you're just tuning in for the first
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  Speaker 2: time and you don't know anything about me i understand
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  Speaker 2: that i i guess i'm the official fill-in host i
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  Speaker 2: think i've been filling in for wayne for the last
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  Speaker 2: six or seven years every time wayne's been off I've
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  Speaker 2: been sitting in this seat. So I do a show
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  Speaker 2: from Connecticut every single day. And I do fill in
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  Speaker 2: for a couple other national hosts, which is always a
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  Speaker 2: lot of fun. Wayne's show is always the most fun
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  Speaker 2: as I think we're reaching just so many great people
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  Speaker 2: across the country. But it's interesting. Today I had a,
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  Speaker 2: just out of nowhere, I decided to throw out a
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  Speaker 2: topic and it exploded. And the topic was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: something that had to do with what Donald Trump has
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  Speaker 2: done here recently, which was the burning or the outlawing,
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  Speaker 2: if you will, or the executive order outlawing the burning
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  Speaker 2: of the American flag. Now, I stand before you. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not a politician. I'm a defender of the sacred flame
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  Speaker 2: that lights our republic. I am a defender of free speech.
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  Speaker 2: So in a world where governments are Around the globe.
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  Speaker 2: Dissent with an iron fist. Where voices are crushed under
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  Speaker 2: the weight of authoritarian control. America.
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  Speaker 1: America.
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  Speaker 2: I just got finished sending an email to somebody. America
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  Speaker 2: has always held something incredibly unique. Something invincible. The First Amendment.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just words on a parchment. It's the bedrock
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  Speaker 2: of democracy. It's the bedrock of our republic. The most
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  Speaker 2: important element of our society above all else is the
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  Speaker 2: right of free speech. It's the guardian of truth, the
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  Speaker 2: enabler of progress, and the ultimate check on tyranny. Without
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  Speaker 2: free speech, we, ladies and gentlemen, we lose it all.
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  Speaker 2: We lose everything. our ability to challenge power, to expose corruption,
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  Speaker 2: to unite over a common cause, and yes, to express
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  Speaker 2: our deepest disagreements. It's what holds us together. Free speech
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  Speaker 2: is the oxygen of liberty. If you stifle it, the
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  Speaker 2: entire body politic suffocates. And again, just a couple of
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  Speaker 2: days ago, on August 25th, President Trump signed an executive
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  Speaker 2: order directing the Department of Justice to vigorously prosecute those
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  Speaker 2: who desecrate the American flag, specifically by burning it, under
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  Speaker 2: the guise of preventing incitement or other crimes. Again, let
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  Speaker 2: me make sure you understand. I hate the idea of
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  Speaker 2: burning the flag. I think it's reprehensible. I think it's disgusting.
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  Speaker 2: The thought of it makes me want to throw up.
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  Speaker 2: The idea that somebody might kneel during the national anthem,
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  Speaker 2: the same thing makes you want to throw up. But
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  Speaker 2: this order instructs Pam Bondi to pursue cases where flag
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  Speaker 2: burning allegedly violates laws against violence, property damage, disorderly conduct.
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  Speaker 2: It's again, it's a slippery slope. It's a slippery slope.
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  Speaker 2: And Trump himself in the Oval Office said that if
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  Speaker 2: you If you burn the flag, you're going to get
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  Speaker 2: a year in jail. No early access, nothing. So again, please,
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  Speaker 2: if you're just tuning in, I disdain the idea of
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  Speaker 2: burning the flag. It's profoundly disrespectful. It's a spit in
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  Speaker 2: the face of every single patriot who has bled for
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  Speaker 2: this nation. Their blood is on that flag. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you think about the heroes of Iwo Jima who, Raise
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  Speaker 2: that flag, those Marines. And that's just a historic, amazing
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  Speaker 2: moment in our history. D-Day, same idea, the flags waving.
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  Speaker 2: The brave souls, but they didn't die for a piece
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  Speaker 2: of cloth, although that piece of cloth means something. They
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  Speaker 2: died for the ideals. It represents liberty, justice, and the
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  Speaker 2: right to self-determination. And when someone sets a flag ablaze,
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  Speaker 2: They mock those who sacrifice it. And we all should
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  Speaker 2: be furious. We should be furious about it. We should
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  Speaker 2: feel betrayed, disrespected. It's a desecration of those who have fallen.
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  Speaker 2: I find it gut-wrenching, offensive to the core. It's an
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  Speaker 2: ingratitude and it should boil America's blood. It boils mine.
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  Speaker 2: But I would rather see a thousand flags waving proudly
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  Speaker 2: than one in flames. I think we're all there Yet
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  Speaker 2: the uncomfortable truth is free speech demands that we tolerate
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  Speaker 2: the ones that we despise the most. I've come on
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  Speaker 2: this show again for six, seven years, more than that,
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  Speaker 2: I think now. And it's been the thing that I've
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  Speaker 2: talked about more than anything else. I would rather live
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  Speaker 2: in a country where people have unbridled abilities to burn
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  Speaker 2: flags than And as their right, rather than have a
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  Speaker 2: government decide what is too provocative for somebody to say
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  Speaker 2: or what they can't do. Because I think the alternative is, again,
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  Speaker 2: a very slippery slope. And this executive order is a
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  Speaker 2: dangerous executive order. I'm sorry to say. And I know
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  Speaker 2: Trump listens to this show. I know he does. And
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  Speaker 2: I know you're doing it. I know you're doing it
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  Speaker 2: out of patriotism. And I know it because I feel
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  Speaker 2: the same way. I feel furious when you see somebody
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  Speaker 2: do that. In particular, I feel furious when someone from
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  Speaker 2: another country does it. And that's a little bit different
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  Speaker 2: for me. That's a subtlety within the law that I'd
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  Speaker 2: be willing to swallow hard on because I think those
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  Speaker 2: who are here illegally don't and shouldn't. They do, but
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  Speaker 2: they shouldn't possess the same rights that we do. They
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  Speaker 2: don't possess all the same rights, but I think you
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  Speaker 2: get my point. But You look at the bedrock of
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  Speaker 2: what we are in that free speech. Even Justice Scalia
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  Speaker 2: joined the majority later saying if he were king, he
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  Speaker 2: would not allow people to go around burning the American flag. However,
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  Speaker 2: we're in America. We have a First Amendment. So it's
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  Speaker 2: important that we protect that right of freedom. And that
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday executive order prosecution of the American flag that is burned.
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  Speaker 2: It represents a bold step. I mean, it's, it is,
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  Speaker 2: it's a symbol. It's a symbol for us that has
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  Speaker 2: endured for 250 years. It's the embodiment of American freedom.
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  Speaker 2: It's the identity. It's the strength that we all have.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And again, I'm not saying this is an easy one.
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  Speaker 2: This is not an easy one. I it's amazing to
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  Speaker 2: me because like I said, on the onset of this,
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  Speaker 2: in the discussions that we had today, I would say
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  Speaker 2: of the, if I got a hundred emails from, on
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  Speaker 2: this topic within the first couple hours after the show,
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  Speaker 2: I would say 95 of them were, you shouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: able to burn the flag. And it's not, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think you should. It's not that I don't, I want
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  Speaker 2: you to burn the flag. Of course not. As I
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  Speaker 2: said already, this is a, it's, it's a terrible disrespect
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  Speaker 2: of America. But if you start down that road, what's next?
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  Speaker 2: We all love the police. You're not going to allow
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  Speaker 2: somebody to burn a police flag or a firefighter's flag.
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  Speaker 2: Or what about an army flag or a marine flag
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  Speaker 2: or a Navy flag or a hat or a shirt
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  Speaker 2: that says Navy on it? Where does it stop? I
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  Speaker 2: know it's a symbol of freedom and I know it's
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  Speaker 2: vitally important. And I know Trump and Bondi in this
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  Speaker 2: case have you know, sort of spelled out specifics in
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  Speaker 2: this and are targeting illegals. I get that. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: looking at the broad picture of this. I'm looking at
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  Speaker 2: what it does to us as a nation, freedom-wise, free speech-wise.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think you want to go down this road. Now,
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  Speaker 2: our founding fathers would not have been happy with this.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think there's any question about this. The architects
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  Speaker 2: of American liberty, I mean, they didn't directly look into
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  Speaker 2: this because there were really no reasons to do that
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  Speaker 2: as we really didn't adopt the modern flag until 1777.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't even fully developed as a national symbol until
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  Speaker 2: the Revolutionary War era. But the point, would they have
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  Speaker 2: been disgusted? Of course they would have been disgusted. But
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  Speaker 2: I think in this case, our fearless leader, I don't, like,
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  Speaker 2: maybe if you're not an American citizen, you can't burn
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  Speaker 2: the flag. I probably could live with that. But I
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  Speaker 2: think when you start heading down the road, that is, well,
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  Speaker 2: might as well say slippery, to say the least. You're
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  Speaker 2: opening up an ugly can of worms. And I know
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  Speaker 2: you're doing it, Mr. President, out of pure patriotism. All right.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Lee Elsey, Voice of Freedom. You can
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  Speaker 2: email me, leelseyradio at gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you.
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  Speaker 2: The Gateway Pundit, where you can find us. Untamed Nation,
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  Speaker 2: where you can find us. Root for America, where you
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  Speaker 2: can find us. All the great radio stations. We'll be
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  Speaker 2: right back. Don't go anywhere. A lot to get to tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Stick around, everybody.
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  Speaker 1: All right, a special treat for you.
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  Speaker 5: I want to introduce you to a real hero of
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  Speaker 5: the American energy industry, a legend, Mark Bruner, founder and
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  Speaker 5: CEO of Lost Soldier Oil and Gas in the United States.
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  Speaker 5: Lost Soldier is the last major BCGA, Basin Centered Gas Accumulation.
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  Speaker 1: This is code for a monster field.
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  Speaker 5: Where gas or oil is in a basin, which makes
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  Speaker 5: the drilling and production much easier. Mark, you're a legend
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  Speaker 5: in the oil industry and the gas industry.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us about your track record.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I'm a second-generation oil and gas guy. My father,
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  Speaker 6: in the early 1950s, started a company called Techstar. It
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  Speaker 6: later became Texas Oil and Gas.
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  Speaker 4: When it sold out to U.S.
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  Speaker 6: Steel, it was the largest independent in the world. Delhi
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  Speaker 6: Pipelines was the largest gas distribution system in the United States.
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  Speaker 6: When it sold out to U.S. Steel, I worked with
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  Speaker 6: him for four years. I've been in the oil and
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  Speaker 6: gas business ever since. You would probably know me better
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  Speaker 6: as the chairman of Ultra Petroleum, and I Ultra had
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  Speaker 6: a pretty good track record, which you're very familiar with,
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  Speaker 6: I think.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think a $ 10, 000 investor in Ultra turned it
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  Speaker 5: into $ 13 million. Is that correct? In the nine-year run
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  Speaker 5: of your publicly traded company?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, at the high, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: $ 10, 000 turned into $ 13 million.
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  Speaker 5: That means $ 100, 000 turned into $ 130 million.
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  Speaker 1: That's an incredible track record.
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  Speaker 5: Now tell me why this deal, Lost Soldier, this project
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  Speaker 5: is so I hear about projects and deals all the time.
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  Speaker 1: What makes this one special, Mark?
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  Speaker 6: What's special about this is all the other basins in
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  Speaker 6: the United States have been drilled. We've known for 50
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  Speaker 6: years what they are. This one could not be drilled
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  Speaker 6: because there was a uranium mine out here. Until it
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  Speaker 6: was reclamated three years ago, no one could drill it.
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  Speaker 6: This is surrounded by large oil and gas fields with
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  Speaker 6: billions of dollars of infrastructure that at this point.
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  Speaker 3: Is 85% empty.
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  Speaker 6: So we made this discovery. We are the only operator
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  Speaker 6: in this field. And right now we can see that
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  Speaker 6: we've got enough room for 500 horizontal wells out here
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  Speaker 6: with what we've drilled so far. Very exciting. It's the
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  Speaker 6: new basin in the United States. And as far as
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  Speaker 6: I'm concerned, this is an order of magnitude bigger than
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  Speaker 6: Ultra Petroleum, the one that I did.
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  Speaker 5: All right, the website is lostsoldier.com. Pretty simple stuff, lostsoldier.com.
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  Speaker 5: The project, 40,000 acres, took 40 years to piece together.
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  Speaker 5: It's called Lost Soldier Oil and Gas LLC. That's the company,
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  Speaker 5: that's the project, but the website.
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  Speaker 1: Lost Soldier dot com.
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  Speaker 5: If you're an accredited investor, Mark wants to hear from you.
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  Speaker 5: If you want to hear more information, check it out.
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  Speaker 5: Fill out the form and you get to Lost Soldier.
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  Speaker 5: Mark and his people will get back to you as
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  Speaker 5: CFO and let you know all the details you need
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  Speaker 5: to know.
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  Speaker 1: Lost Soldier dot com. Thanks, Mark, for being with us today.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you, Wayne.
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  Speaker 4: Good to see you again.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back, everyone. Warzone is the name of the show.
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  Speaker 2: Wayne Allen Root, he's off tonight. He's off until Wednesday
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  Speaker 2: of next week. I think he's getting some sun, so
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  Speaker 2: next time he comes back, he'll have that blistering suntan
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  Speaker 4: All right.
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  Speaker 2: I talk a lot about crime. I'm going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about crime again. Maybe in a little while. Trump's approval
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  Speaker 2: ratings up five points in the past month. That's a
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  Speaker 2: pretty good deal. So Trump is making some positive inroads
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  Speaker 2: with some folks who maybe weren't all that big fans
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  Speaker 2: of him. Maybe a month ago, two months ago, three
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  Speaker 2: months ago, gas is down. Prices seemingly are down. It
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  Speaker 2: seems like, you know, here's the thing about Trump. It's
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  Speaker 2: like every day there's something else every day. There is
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  Speaker 2: something else that this guy in this administration is doing.
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  Speaker 2: It's really remarkable. Things that you don't even think about.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not sure if I talked about this. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: think about a week ago, they were talking about painting
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  Speaker 2: the wall black so that it would make it hotter
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  Speaker 2: for the migrants who are trying to cross illegally, making
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  Speaker 2: it more uncomfortable. Who thinks of that?
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  Speaker 4: Brilliant.
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  Speaker 2: But there's always something going on. behind the wheels, and
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  Speaker 2: they're always trying to figure out a way, I think,
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  Speaker 2: to make America better. Now, a lot of folks don't
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  Speaker 2: agree with that. A lot of folks can't stand the
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  Speaker 2: orange man. A lot of folks can't stand his policies.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of folks can't deal with some of that stuff. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I want to play you. I want you
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  Speaker 2: to hear. Let me make sure I have it right
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  Speaker 2: in front of me. I want you to hear. what
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  Speaker 2: the stupidity sounds like, if you don't mind. I hope
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  Speaker 2: you guys can hear this. This is not Germany. That's
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  Speaker 2: the SS and the Gestapo.
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  Speaker 1: This is the United States of America.
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  Speaker 2: Unmask yourselves. That's Congressman Larson here in Connecticut. And so
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  Speaker 2: in Connecticut, there's been some ICE raids and agents going
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  Speaker 2: after some people and they got the masks on so
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  Speaker 2: they can protect their identity and our every single person
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  Speaker 2: in the state of Connecticut's a liberal and every single
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  Speaker 2: person in the state of Connecticut's a Democrat. I'm talking
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  Speaker 2: about the politicians. It's been that way since I think 2006.
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  Speaker 2: So every Congress person, every Senator has since 2006 has
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  Speaker 2: been a Dem and Larson is, he's been around since
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  Speaker 2: there's been dirt, but you know, he's fired up because
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  Speaker 2: the ICE agents don't want to take their masks off
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  Speaker 2: because they don't want people coming to their homes and
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  Speaker 2: and violently attacking them. This is different. They have to
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  Speaker 2: keep the anonymity as best they can because there's violent
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  Speaker 2: people that they're going after. So I just wanted to
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  Speaker 2: play that because I just wasn't sure if you knew
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  Speaker 2: exactly what stupidity sounds like. Here's something interesting that I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to share with you. Rape crimes. That's not a
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  Speaker 2: very fun subject, but rape crimes over in Europe. So
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  Speaker 2: in the year 2000 in England, they reported 8,593 rapes.
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  Speaker 2: In Germany, 8,133 rapes. In France, 7,500 rapes. That was
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  Speaker 2: in year 2000. Now you know about the mass migration
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  Speaker 2: of Muslims to both England, Germany, and France. And in Poland,
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  Speaker 2: Poland has stopped the Muslim invasion. They don't let Muslims in.
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  Speaker 2: In Poland in 2000, there were 2,399 rapes. Now, Pay attention.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, that was the year 2000. In 2023,
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  Speaker 2: there were 68,000 rapes in England. That's 60,000 more rapes
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  Speaker 2: in the same time frame. In Germany, there were 39,000 rapes.
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  Speaker 2: That's 31,000 more rapes. In France, 42,400 rapes in the
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  Speaker 2: and he joins us right now. Hans, how are you tonight?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing good, buddy. Listen, I got to throw a
• 23:07
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• 23:09
  Speaker 2: in trouble. Last time you were on the show to
• 23:13
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• 23:16
  Speaker 2: faith for about 40 minutes. So I wanted to ask you, though,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I opened the show. I don't know if you were
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: watching when we opened the show today, but I took
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: a position. on the burning of the flag, flag burning.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: And I wanted to get your opinion on that because, uh,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: overwhelmingly the listeners feel one way. And I was just
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: curious how you felt.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: I was unable to tune in, but I was listening
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: to your morning show when your brother was on. So, uh, no,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: I got a preview that, uh, that's what you're going
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: to lead in tonight with. Um, Look, I would say
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: I agree with your brother, and I'm sure that there's
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: lots of listeners, viewers out there that have not, you know,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: don't know what your brother's view was. But, you know,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: it's a First Amendment right. And, you know, I think
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: that should be protected. And at the same time, I
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: think what ends up happening, which was not said, at
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: least on this morning's show, you can fill me in
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: on what was said tonight. But you burn a flag,
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: and that's like putting a swastika on your shirt. It's
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: not going to go well. So I don't know that
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: you need a whole lot of laws to outlaw it.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Unless there's a really good case for being in opposition
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: to something that's going on domestically, Burning of the flag
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: is always going to be a condemnation of the person
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: that does that action.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Actually, surprise, surprise, Hans. I agree with that. I mean,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I'm torn by it because I think it's a horrible thing.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: to do. I think it, but I think what you
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: had said is really well articulated and that it actually,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: you know, it puts a bullseye and I don't necessarily
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: mean a bullseye in the bullseye sense, but it puts
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: a bullseye in somebody's back saying, you're, you're not one
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: of me. I don't, I don't want to do business
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: with you. I don't want to be your friend. I
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: don't want to know you if you're burning something that
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I treasure. And I, and I feel like is, is
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: part of my life and very patriotic.
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: So I'm, I'm, I'm often opposed to a lot of
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: economic policy that goes on, right? Whatever that may be. So,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: you know, this will be a little bit of a segue.
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: We can stay on the topic, though. But, you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: I've been somebody that has believed since the 1990s when
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: I was in graduate school that we need targeted tariffs.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: And so when Trump came in and implemented that, you know,
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: I supported it. But going back to the 1990s, I,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: you know, to be critical of U.S. foreign economic policy
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: is a perfectly fine position to take. But if I
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: go and I burn a flag to bring attention to it,
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: I think I lose the argument. So I, you know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: I think that it should be protected. But having laws,
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: as you and your brother talked about this morning, as
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: your brother articulated, right, it's authoritarian. And I don't think
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: you need it. I don't think you need to take
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: that step.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: You know, it's funny. That's my thought. No, and again,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I agree with that. And it hurts me to agree
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: with that because anybody can get up, I think, and
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: yell and scream in this case and say it's not
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: patriotic and pound your fist on the table and take
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: that stance and have that position. And I get it, right?
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: And I actually think that's probably what the president is doing.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think he's doing this out of any malice
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: or anger. I think, well, anger, yes, but I don't
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: think he's, I think he's doing it because he thinks
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: it's not patriotic. And I think he's trying to be
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: patriotic in this case. I don't think he's trying to
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: be anything else. But what we have, Hans, that everybody
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: else around the world doesn't have, is we have this
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: ability to speak our mind at all times, right? As
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: long as you're not inciting a riot, et cetera. And
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: that makes us different than anywhere else. And I think
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: we have to hold on to that.
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Well, look, I'll say of Trump, you know, he has
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: a very good pulse of where the country is at.
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: You know, he is quite masterful at it. And I
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: think he knows that on this issue, 80% of the country,
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: I think, is going to be on the side that
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: you shouldn't burn a flag. You know, it's for the
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: same reasons I say you lose the argument as soon
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: as you do it, probably 95% of the time Um,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: so I, I think that's what Trump's up to with it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: And now whether or not anybody would go to prison, um,
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: you know, there's all kinds of, uh, doubts that that's
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: actually what would happen.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Fair enough.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to get your opinion on that. And again,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not necessarily trying to start a fight with anybody
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: out there because I think Everything that is coming at me,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: at least through social media and emails, it's born out of, again, true.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I think these people are true patriots. I just think,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: you know, their protection of the flag in this case.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: You know, as I said, what if I burned a
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: shirt with a flag on it or a hat that
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: was a Navy hat or a hat that was a
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Marine hat? Where are we stopping this? At what point
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: in time do we stop it? Is it just the flag?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Is it just the American flag? What about the police flag?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: What about a firefighter flag? What about an honor and
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: remember flag for our veterans who have fallen? Like, where
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: are we drawing that line?
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Well, that's exactly right. And it's, you know, it just
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: reveals something very unique about human beings that we have,
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: you know, symbolic capacities that as far as we know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: animals don't have at all. We can react to, you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: a flag is just fabric, you know, but it means something.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: That meaning is important, you know.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I agree with that.
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: So that's an important thing to take in.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: All right, well, I know we're a little bit into this,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: and we can shift gears and see what we can
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: get through. I hope you can stick around with us
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: as long as you possibly can. Hans Despain is our guest, economic. lecturer. Again,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: UMass Amherst is where he is currently at, and they're
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: lucky to have him. So I know I threw this
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: at you real quick. The U.S. economy expanded by 3.3%
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: in the second quarter, a growth that I guess it's
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: even stronger than they originally thought. What's your thoughts on this?
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: It's remarkable. Anybody that listens to your morning show knows
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: that although I thought we needed targeted tariffs, I've been
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: critical of sort of these universal tariffs that Trump imposed
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: in April. And by the way, the tariffs really haven't
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: gone into effect until about the last few weeks. I'm
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: a little suspicious on what the Trump universal tariffs will
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: mean for the US economy and the global economy. This
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: GDP data is absolutely remarkable. It would not have captured
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: any of the tariffs going into effect, but there is sentiment.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: And so people will act on anticipation of the tariffs,
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: and it doesn't seem to have effect affected the economy
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: in a negative way. The caveat here, Lee, is very important.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: If you scrutinize the data, if you remember your macro
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: 101 or whatever it was numbered when you took it
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: in college, consumption spending, investment spending, government spending, and then
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: imports and exports, international sector. The primary reason that we
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: saw the GDP numbers go up is because of imports
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: going down. They're a negative in that equation. So imports
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: went down, even though the tariffs haven't been in full
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: effect in that second quarter. And so there hasn't been
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: any sort of remarkably good news domestically except for their
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: imports going down. And I will say, Let me be
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: a little bit more accurate than that. Consumption spending went up.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: So this is a little bit strange because consumer sentiment
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: is very, very low right now. So they're kind of
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: moving in opposite directions there. So that's good news for
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: the Trump economy. The consumption spending actually went up. Investment
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: spending went down significantly. Let me rephrase it. It went down...
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: in a way that is concerning. And government spending is flat.
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: So I hope that makes a little bit of sense.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: Consumption spending up, import spending down a lot, which is
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: a negative, so it raises it. Investment spending went down.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Hans Despain is with us. Music is playing, Hans. You
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: can stick around, I hope, for another segment, at least.
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Great.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Hans Despain is with us. He has nothing to sell.
• 32:52
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• 32:54
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• 32:59
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• 33:03
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  Speaker 2: of this stuff, I want to get your opinion. Should
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey demand a prenup, Hans? You think that's a
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  Speaker 2: good idea?
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: No, yes.
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  Speaker 4: Holy moly. Yeah, so this is what Lee does to
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  Speaker 4: and I'm a little more comfortable. But, yes, he definitely, definitely.
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  Speaker 4: He should get a prenup that he gets the money
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  Speaker 4: if it doesn't work out well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think he's got to try
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  Speaker 4: All right.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: You wanted to hit a few more points with tariffs,
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  Speaker 2: my friend, before we run out of time?
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Sure, yeah. Well, look, they are still in development. The
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: main point that I have made about the tariffs is
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: the Trump administration, in my interpretation, you can disagree with this,
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: has been political. It's not entirely clear to me with
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: what they're up to with it, except for they want
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: to establish a new institutional order on the global economy.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: And I think we have to be open-minded about that.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: The longer they're in place, I'm worried that it will
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: be a negative impact. I think what the Trump administration
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: needs to keep in mind is whether or not the
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: disadvantage in the U.S. that put Trump into office are
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: being benefited by the current action.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Hans Despain is with us.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: Go ahead.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean to cut you off. Sorry. No, no,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean to cut you off. Did you have
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: anything else to add to the tariffs? Okay. I ran
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: across this. I just wanted to get your opinion on this.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: It's not tariffs, but it had the countries with the
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: highest wealth per person in 2025. And Switzerland leads in
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: average with a wealth of $ 687, 000 per person, but ranks
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: fourth in median wealth, where the United States is second
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: in average wealth, $ 621K, but only 15th in median wealth. 124,000.
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  Speaker 2: What does that tell you?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it tells you when you differentiate average and median,
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  Speaker 4: what that difference is picking up in the second in
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  Speaker 4: average and then drops to 16th in median. For those
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  Speaker 4: of us that don't know exactly what that means, median
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  Speaker 4: is you look at the people right in the middle
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  Speaker 4: and and half are above that amount, half are below
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  Speaker 4: that amount. So it tells you there's a large degree
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  Speaker 4: of inequality in the United States. And I think all
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  Speaker 4: administrations need to be very mindful. As I talked on
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  Speaker 4: your show on a regular basis, Biden's administration, Kamala Harris
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  Speaker 4: as a candidate, was spectacularly unmindful of that. So they
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  Speaker 4: could not process why Americans thought the economy sucked when
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  Speaker 4: inflation was down, unemployment was very low, GDP was growing.
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  Speaker 4: it was because the majority of Americans weren't participating in that.
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  Speaker 4: So the Trump administration needs to be very mindful of that,
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  Speaker 4: or they're going to pay very similar costs that the
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  Speaker 4: Biden administration rightfully paid.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I got one more for you before the music
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  Speaker 2: starts playing. I thought this is interesting because we have
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  Speaker 2: talked about this before in the past, but U.S. consumers
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  Speaker 2: with the highest credit scores, Hans, are beginning to fall
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  Speaker 2: behind in debt repayments that, according to a credit scoring
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  Speaker 2: company and 109 percent, I guess, the 109 percent increase
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  Speaker 2: of people not paying their debt. These are the people
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  Speaker 2: with the best credit scores. What does that say to you?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it says a lot. Let me say, I think
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  Speaker 4: Trump is making a mistake and he's going to lose
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  Speaker 4: in the court when he starts trying to fire people
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  Speaker 4: in the Fed, whether it be Lisa Cook or Jerome Powell.
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  Speaker 4: I know that wasn't your comment or question. But the
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  Speaker 4: truth of the matter is, those high interest rates hurt
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  Speaker 4: the regular, typical Americans that aren't millionaires or more. And
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: so we're going to see the distressed loan repayment spike
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  Speaker 4: going forward. So this is why Trump wants to see
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  Speaker 4: those interest rates come down. I totally understand why the
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: Fed is resisting that, but that's a really serious battle
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  Speaker 4: that they're having between Treasury or the executive branch in
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: the Federal Reserve. And I'm agnostic on who's right or wrong.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: I'll make some comments, but both are in hot water
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  Speaker 4: right now, in my opinion.
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  Speaker 2: Have you seen the credit cards? that people are running
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  Speaker 2: up the credit card debt, has that come down at all?
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  Speaker 2: I know that was a huge problem under Biden. I
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: don't know, under Trump, has it gone in the other
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  Speaker 2: direction at all?
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  Speaker 4: All time record high in, yeah, all time record high
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  Speaker 4: in credit card debt during the Biden administration. Interest rates
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  Speaker 4: went from 12% in 2019 under Trump up to more
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  Speaker 4: than double, 25% was the average interest rate when Biden
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  Speaker 4: left office. That was a disaster. That's what's put Americans
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  Speaker 4: in serious financial distress. It's not the only loans, but
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: the credit card debt is a significant increase. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Hans, you're the best. Unfortunately, I got to go. I'm
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  Speaker 2: out of time, but let's do it again soon. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get you back on the morning show ASAP. Have a
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: great holiday weekend. I appreciate you, man.
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  Speaker 3: Very good.
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  Speaker 4: All right. All right, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. You got it, man. Have a great one.
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  Speaker 2: I wish we had more time with Hans, but. We
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  Speaker 2: are out. All right, everybody. Like I said, you can
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  Speaker 2: watch us at the Gateway Pundit, untamednation.com, Root for America.
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