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- David Mitchell: it humbles you a little bit some days. So yeah. I mean we're not perfect, so we mess up sometimes. I explained to my employees, I know we're not always gonna do it a hundred percent right, but we can get it right in the end. You know, no matter how tired we are or what whatever circumstance there is, we should never halfway do a job. Kimberly Griggs: welcome back to Unfinished Business. Today we are talking with David Mitchell, he is the co-founder of Mitchell Landscaping. In 2006, he started by helping transform properties across the Texas Panhandle. Not just by mowing lawns or planting flowers, but by creating these beautiful outdoor spaces where families gather and they get to, enjoy truly spending time with the people that they love and and treasure. So David gets to be a part of bringing those moments to to everyone. So I'm very excited to learn more about his business. And David, welcome to the show. David Mitchell: thank you. Thanks for having me. Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. Well, I always like to start at the beginning. So I know a little bit of your backstory, but go ahead and share with us. Before Mitchell's landscaping existed, who were you? What were you doing? David Mitchell: very good question. So I've already always grown up kinda in the outdoor business. So I grew up on a family farm in believe it or not East Texas and ended up in West Texas eventually. So always enjoy being outside. and I actually explored a degree in animal science and stay with the animal side of things, but ended up in the plant side of things. So Kimberly Griggs: That's interesting. David Mitchell: took it took a turn. They they they're kind of the same but a little bit different. So Kimberly Griggs: Yeah, yeah. So at what point did those two worlds, you know, seemingly parallel, but did they split? David Mitchell: yeah, so I have always enjoyed both worlds and I was actually working in the animal sector. I was working for West Texas A&M running their research feedlot and started exploring landscaping on the side as far as doing it for friends and family and then started doing it for other people and it kind of took off from there and so at that point I just had to make a decision of either do it full time or you know just kind of leave it as more of a hobby, so I decided to go full time on it. So Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. So was entrepreneurship, you know, always a part of your plan somewhere, or did was that really just a matter of happenstance? David Mitchell: again, I think it's a little bit of both. I think I'll probably get that, you know, my dad started his family farm, you know, so probably got a lot of that from him and then his dad before him started a family farm. So I think it's probably my blood. And Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. David Mitchell: it takes a lot of work to start your own business and and so yes, I was actually planning on probably working for someone out of college and then this just kinda happened and I was like, Yeah, I think I'm gonna go Full full force on it, so Kimberly Griggs: Wow. Well, I want you to take me back to that very first year. So it sounds like to me you kind of had a growing side hustle. it also sounds like by what you're describing that you really had a fork in a road where you keep going doing David Mitchell: Mm-hmm. Kimberly Griggs: the side hustle thing plus or you just go all in. Tell me about that moment. I mean, what helped David Mitchell: Mm. Kimberly Griggs: you make that decision? David Mitchell: it goes back to yeah, I think at that point I decided I wanna do my own thing 'cause you know, I didn't want to work for someone my entire life, so I like, I want to do own thing. And pretty nervous actually, you know, starting a business, knowing that you're the sole person earning all everything that you're, at that time a young family needs. it's it's very nerve wracking. So honestly I went a route where I I bought out part of a business to make it where I could do full time more comfortably. So I had to go pitch pitch to a banker at that point. So first big loan I ever got and and yeah, I pitched it to him and and he gave me the loan and that's how I kinda I bought out part of another business and was able to do it full time at that point. So Kimberly Griggs: Okay, so in that first year, it sounds like you made some very big decisions and some very, very bold moves to put yourself in and this opportunity first. What did success to you look like back then in the in the that first few David Mitchell: Mm-hmm. Kimberly Griggs: first few months after that decision? David Mitchell: back then it was just probably paying for all my equipment, and you know, all my expenses and still have the money at the end of the day to you know, at that point just buy groceries and and live day to day at that point. So yeah, Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. David Mitchell: just making it where it it worked, you know, and and prove that it was workable and I could scale it at that point. So Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. What kept you going on the days where it hard? 'Cause like you said, you know, it i it is stressful. It's not for the faint of heart for sure. So what kept you going during those early moments? David Mitchell: I think probably just knowing in my head what I could grow it to if I kept at it and you know, seeing other businesses that had had success in it. and then not only that, I I enjoyed it, you know, and I still do to this day. I I enjoy getting out and do the actual landscaping. I don't get to do as much as I used to, but I I do still enjoy it. It's it's a fun field for me. It it's not just a job. So Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. So kind of a passion. Yeah. David Mitchell: Mm. Yes, ma'am. Kimberly Griggs: Well what did people not realize about starting this type of you know, landscaping business or any service based business? What did you not realize back then? David Mitchell: in order to scale it, I can't do it all myself, especially if gonna scale a business. that's probably one of the biggest growth concerns. I have to delegate that out to other people as I've grown and train them to do the same thing that I I'm able to do. So I think that's probably my one of my biggest and probably still be my biggest Problem nowadays is trying to delegate all that out. So and knowing that it'll get done correct. Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. when you were thinking about that and bringing on, you know, new team members to to help you, what were some of the non-negotiables, you know, in your business, kind of running the show as you wanted to? What what were David Mitchell: Mm. Kimberly Griggs: some non-negotiables in that world? David Mitchell: for me quality. I was not gonna have poor quality no matter who I brought on, whether it was me or someone working for me. wanted to keep my quality up and stand by our work as well. So and something that we can offer to a customer and that is a full service landscaping company. we don't just do one thing. They can hire us to do multiple things in in our field. So that they don't have to have, you know, a tree guy, they don't have to have a fertilizer guy. They don't have to have an install guy. They don't have to have a irrigation guy. We are kinda trying to be a one stop shop for people looking for that. So Kimberly Griggs: Yeah, I love that. what does quality mean to you? David Mitchell: my motto is if the customer's happy and then we're you know we don't we don't really bill a customer until they're happy with our with the with the work that we've done. And then from there it's I want something that's gonna last and not you know fall apart, you know, in a year or you know, I want something that's gonna last a long time for that customer. Kimberly Griggs: when you say you want something that will last for a long time, what what specifically are you referring to? David Mitchell: it can mean many things. You know, if we're installing living plants or living things, you know, making it where that can be watered and so the customer can rely on that and putting in good quality plants or grass or whatever it might be, and then helping them along the way, whether it be they just call us to help out once a year on their property or they want us to maintain it. it can also mean stuff like if we're installing landscaping like outdoor living area or even irrigation, you know, use using good quality parts and good technique to put those in so that it it lasts for years and years to come. a lot of that is in training, you know. we we send our guys to training and then I've also been to specific training on for example how to correctly install concrete pavers, you know, there's good and bad ways to do it. And if you don't have the correct training or the the correct know how then then there's no sense doing it because it may not be done right. So Kimberly Griggs: So is that a difference, you know, in between what a quality job looks like then is kind of the the resourcing beforehand? David Mitchell: yeah, yeah. Both materials and training. and the thing about it in our industry, some of that's been, you know, trial and error on our part. You know, we do the the best training we can learn the most we can, and then sometimes if it's something new, we you know, we learn to do it on the job and and sometimes we'll have to do it a couple of times to get it done right. But we make sure that it's done right in the end. So Kimberly Griggs: You know, that that it's interesting that you're saying that because I I wanna shift back a little bit just to building the business because I think you make a great point of, you know, so many things that we take on, are built in the air, as they say. So what has that experience taught you? David Mitchell: it humbles you a little bit some days. So yeah. I mean we're not perfect, so we mess up sometimes. and that's why I explained to my employees, if we mess up, you know, try to make it right, we're not always gonna do it a hundred percent right, but we can get it right in the end. and and I try to tell my guys, you know, we don't wanna halfway do a job, ever. You know, no matter how tired we are or what whatever circumstance there is, we should never halfway do a job. So Kimberly Griggs: Yeah, I think that's important. all right, I want to shift to a little bit of landscaping one one because I think most people assume that landscaping is David Mitchell: Okay. Kimberly Griggs: mowing lawns and planting flowers and those types of things, but I don't think that that's really what you sell. So can you help us clarify? You know, what do you believe that you you are really creating for homeowners? David Mitchell: I mean a couple of different things. Sometimes it depends on the homeowner, but sometimes homeowners just want, you know, I want to have a great looking house from the front when people drive by, you know, they see my house and and they think, they you know, that it looks good and it's maintained. and then some people take that a step further and want to really create something in their backyard that they can enjoy, their kids can can enjoy, or if they're, you know, retired maybe. then they can have friends and family over and enjoy. And that can be something as simple as nice grass for you know their kids and people to play on and step it up to outdoor areas. I almost consider backyards or back areas an added room to a house is is the way I look at it. And you can go as elaborate as you want to or as simple as you want to. Elaborate would be more on actually creating a structure with a roof that you can enjoy, and you know, keep you cooler while you're out there, outdoor kitchen, fire pit, you know, you can go as elaborate as you want to on that. And and that's why I view it as a whole place that you can enjoy outside. Which interesting was kind of cool back in 2020 when people were back staying home. I saw an uptake in that people wanting to invest in their backyards, especially since they were home a lot. So it was kinda Kimberly Griggs: Yeah, I love how you describe that too as a second room. I've never really thought about that. But yeah, I mean you're adding in it it is an addition to the home and a space where, you know, you're going to gather. So is there a project that stands out or, you know, a backyard transformation that you personally will never forget? David Mitchell: probably one of the most recent ones we did, we were exploring other options as far as trying to be creative. Instead of doing all wood or we created an outdoor living area that had a concrete floor and then we did a metal wood combo. So we did metal structure and then wood for the top and and then put a product called polygal on top, the customer can sit underneath the patio and it cools it off ten to fifteen degrees and they can sit out there in the rain. then we created an outdoor fire pit from scratch and then a kind of a little bar area for them to enjoy. That's probably one of our most recent big projects that we did. So I just really really enjoy that because it it it allowed us to be more creative Instead of just all wood, which is a lot of our projects are so Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. you know, that it does lead me to a question. So as a homeowner, you sell a very visual product and I am not a visual person, right? So how do David Mitchell: Mm-hmm. Correct, correct. Kimberly Griggs: you describe to someone like if they're really not quite sure what they want, but they know that they would, you know, love to invest in in a backyard. space or some type of transformation, where do you begin? Can you describe that process for us? David Mitchell: Yeah, first of all I meet I meet with the customer and we just kinda go over the space and kinda what they're they're what they're wanting to accomplish with the space, you know. as far as if they're wanting more seating area or just sometimes it's just they want a lot of flowers so they can go out and enjoy the flowers and pick flowers. you know, if they wanna be entertaining people outside, you know, if they want to cook outside or have a fire pit Also what factors into that is, maintenance So I talk to people about, you know, how much grass do want, how much bed do they want. Some people don't want any beds. we just kind of go over those spaces and what their their wants are and kind of what their style is, is too, because there's so many different styles that you can you go more of a modern contemporary style, go more of a garden style. You know, there's just so many different styles you can go with. And from there it's just more of Once you nail down the style and kinda what they're looking for, kinda getting a plan together, I try to get a plan on the computer and submit that to the customer and then we can tweak the plan from there before we start working on pricing and things of that nature. So Kimberly Griggs: So they do actually walk away with some sort of a visual David Mitchell: yeah, well, yes. so I some a lot of times I'll even kinda draw it out. I have you know, on in the area, I'll mark it out with like a paint stick that w it'll go away, but I'll paint it out kinda hey, is this big enough, you know, so they can visually see at least the size of it, of what we're wanting to do. And then from there I'll come back to the my computer in the office and and you know, I'll take measurements while I'm there and and put it actually on on the computer and try to give a a plan in place. in a drawing so that they can see it on the drawing. So Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. What have you have you noticed any you know, like you you mentioned since 2020 people are investing in their their backyards? What are what are kind of the ongoing trends right now? I mean if again, if if someone out there listening has no idea where to start, what suggestions might you have that would be, you know, something unique? David Mitchell: seeing a lot of just whether it be concrete or paver patio extensions with a lot of people are loving fire pits. that's probably my our most popular one and then I always tell people you can start there and add on to it from there. You can put a structure over it later, you know, if you don't have the the money or to do all of it at once. and but we can do it all in stages. And but that that seems to be the uptake and then you're starting to see a little bit more outdoor kitchens and stuff So Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. And how elaborate are those kitchens going? I mean, from like a starter to what's you know, what's what's a full David Mitchell: Yeah, it it I mean the sk skies limited on those. Even the the way you finish you can finish you know, with natural stone or synthetic stone. You can do concrete countertops, granite countertops, kinda the same. It's almost it's about as many options you have inside, you have outside. So as long as it's durable. So and then you can put multiple grills, you know, some people want a flat top grill, some people want a pellet grill and a a a gas grill all on the same unit and we can do that as well. And storage and things of that nature. Fridges, kegerators you know, whatever. So you can put all those in there. Kimberly Griggs: Cool. So what is the range? I mean, I know that that that might be an issue that holds some people back from even inquiring about your services, but David Mitchell: Mm. Kimberly Griggs: you know, to t talk to us a little bit about the range of, you know, from a simple fire pit David Mitchell: Mm. Kimberly Griggs: to an outdoor kitchen, what are you looking at? David Mitchell: I mean probably simple simple would be more like five thousand and and then some of these outdoor spaces can go as high as thirty, forty, fifty thousand. I mean they can go more, but that's probably the the typical range, yeah. So it just kinda depends on how much you're wanting to put up. So Kimberly Griggs: And i if somebody is interested in those types of projects, I mean, do you offer any financial, you know, support as far as financing options David Mitchell: Mm-hmm. Kimberly Griggs: and things like that? David Mitchell: yes, we started that a couple of years ago actually, starting to get more and more people ask about financing and yes, we work with a company that offers anywhere from zero to whatever, I can't there's no telling how they go, but depending on the person's credit and so yes they can so we just work with that company and they finance the project. So Kimberly Griggs: So again, if after if anyone out there is you know interested in in looking, where should they begin? David Mitchell: they can look at our website or and look at some of the work that we've done and and then they can contact us and we can get a consultation set up for them go over all those things that we just kinda talked about, kind of what their their wants and needs and even we can even talk about budget. You know, I can say, Hey, for what you're wanting, we can start here and then add on, you know, those other things later as as we add on to it. So Yeah, I w I work with a lot of different budgets. So Kimberly Griggs: Fantastic. Well, we'll definitely make sure that in the show notes we link to those resources where they could start a conversation with you. as we begin to wrap up, David, I want to ask, you know, just some for for fun, just some rapid fire questions and then our signature questions that we ask every guest. But in one word, what what does success mean to you? Or success is David Mitchell: Ooh. That's kind of changed over the years. I think success for me, yeah, is a reputable business. that honestly it's kind of a weird one, but one that I can step away at any point in time and it's it still can run even with me not there. So that's kind of where my success point is at. it's nice knowing that you have quality people that work with you. day to day that can take you know take over what when you're out and away. So Kimberly Griggs: Absolutely. What is the best investment that you personally have ever made? David Mitchell: with the business. gosh. it's gotta be in probably my higher level employees, you know, more my management staff for sure. I have my office manager, her name is Heather. she kind of controls our day to day and keeps me in line most days. she helps with scheduling, talks to our customers, billing. payroll, she does a lot of different tasks in our office. And then I kind of have my counterpart. his name is Seth and he runs our maintenance division. so basically maintaining properties if we install them or or if they're installed and basically keeping them looking the best they can in in our area. So and yeah, they are definitely my key people in our business. Kimberly Griggs: Okay. Keep going on rapid fire. Morning person or night owl. David Mitchell: Ooh, morning person once I get rolling. And then and then I don't like to stay up super late, but I I like I don't go to bed super early as well. So yeah. Depends on what I'm doing. Kimberly Griggs: Good too. what is one business book that everyone should read? David Mitchell: Ooh, man. golly. That's I actually have been reading one, I can't remember who it's by, but it's how to scale your business. I've got it somewhere in here. Maybe not. How to scale your business to one day sell it. Because at at some point, if you're not gonna pass it on, you've got to get it to a point where if you were to sell it, it's worth something to someone. and that's where I think my focus shifted from, you know, I I want a business I can step out, e if if I go on a vacation or whatever, but at some point in time I think the business is only worth as much as actually your employees and your systems and how that business works without you in it, honestly. So Kimberly Griggs: Yeah, I think that's that's a great advice for everyone. what is f your favorite place in the Texas Panhandle David Mitchell: Ooh, in the Texas Panel. well I actually go off-roading quite a bit. And it's actually a part of Palo Duro Canyon. It's called Maris Adventure Park. And Kimberly Griggs: yeah. David Mitchell: it's yeah, it's mostly designed for off-roading, although there's lots of camping and you can do hiking and they have some caves and stuff, but that's probably one of my favorite places. and then from there we just like a lot of little small we like Sad Monkey and Pondaseta love Pondaseta brewery. so yeah, little places like that. There's lots of fun little places to go to in our area. Kimberly Griggs: I love that. I love that you support local. and then what would your employees say is your biggest strength? David Mitchell: Ooh. I would probably hmm I don't know, they ask me a lot of questions, so maybe knowledge base. you know, yeah, get you know, 'cause I get questions from everybody from the our maintenance division to our install division, our mechanics, you know, office staff from time to time. So yeah, maybe a knowledge base, which I'm trying to pass on and build that up, where I can pass that on more. To my employees, but yeah, I'd say it's probably it. Kimberly Griggs: And in terms of, you know, back to being the leader of the business and having to wear all of these multiple hats, what what is your biggest challenge and what do you think is your biggest opportunity? David Mitchell: Ooh, okay. Biggest challenge is trying to wear all those hats at the same time. And that's where I'm trying to work right now as a business owner to develop staff and develop, you know, ways to pass that on to other people and spread that out. So that's kind of what we're going through, some growth right now. We're in order to grow to probably the next level as a business, that's what we're trying to do is kind of develop more. ways to get that knowledge out to where it's just not just me. and what I'm sorry, what was the second half of that question? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. Kimberly Griggs: Well, can I can ask a follow-up question to that? I think this is important for a lot of business owners where you're at. You know, it sounds like you're scaling and getting ready to put yourself in a position where the future of the business being able to sell is is an end goal in mind. Knowing all of that, you know, where are you at in terms of passing your expertise and knowledge down to the next leaders of the company? And and what have you found to be successful in that? David Mitchell: right now, honestly, we're trying to develop more either SOPs you could call them, standard oper operating procedures or just ways to keep it where I'm not having to micromanage every little thing. So training is probably key on that and onboarding employees whether they're taking on a new position in the company or just starting with us period. better ways to train them and have them a resource to go to on that. Something they can look up and say, Hey, you know, I've I've gone through this training or I need to do this training and and be able to look at that on the fly or in the office from a day to day basis. So yeah. Kimberly Griggs: And I know that's kind of always in the messy middle, but you know, where on a scale of one to ten, where where are you at with that process? While we're involved at David Mitchell: We're probably on I'm honestly honestly on a four and that's where we've kind of talked at, you know, as management in our company that we're trying to grow that part. It's tough working in your business and trying to grow those systems at the same time, which is fortunate we kinda have a slower season in the winter, we can kind of focus on that a little bit more. But I'm also looking at possibly outsourcing some of that to try to get us where we need to be. So I suggest as if you're starting a business that you grow those things as your business grows because it's much easier to do that than when your get business gets really large or even start on that stuff even before you even start a business. Honestly. like get all those systems in place before you even even start the business. So Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. David Mitchell: because once you're in the business and doing all the wearing all those hats, it's hard to hard to do all at once. So Kimberly Griggs: It is. It's hard to carve the time, you know, and and it and we know it's necessary to step outside in outside of that for a moment to think David Mitchell: Mm-hmm. Kimberly Griggs: about the business ancillary of the services that you provide, you know, to work on that outside of that. David Mitchell: You bet. Kimberly Griggs: okay, so th these are kind of our signature questions for our last few minutes together. But we talked about what success meant to you back then in the early days. What does success mean to you right now? David Mitchell: I think it's what we I think we touched on that a little bit ago, but just you know, having a company that everyone knows that if we hire them they're gonna do the best they can and give us the best quality work and stand by the work and then from there, like I said, just where I can not be so stressed all the time wearing all those hats and just, you know, scale it to that to that point where I can be able to step out at any point in time. whether like we talked about just going a vacation or at some point sell or pass it on to my kids if they're interested in it and me not have to be involved in it as much. I also want a business that I mean, I know it's a job, but employees enjoy coming to work because I think that's key. If they don't enjoy their job then that's gonna show in their work. So Kimberly Griggs: Absolutely. And especially with what you do, you know. I imagine that the things that you create are built from a place of passion and love. And so you probably can tell the difference with someone who is really just there to collect a paycheck versus someone who really enjoys what they're doing. Yeah. So David Mitchell: For sure. Kimberly Griggs: If I gave you a magic wand and you could change one thing about the business tomorrow, what would you make disappear? David Mitchell: what would I make disappear? Honestly, some days I I wish that we could have the business where it did just one thing, you know, picked one thing because it's very hard to do all this different training over multiple different I know it's all landscaping but multiple fields. it's very difficult in area. It's probably possible just 'cause Amarillo's kind of a smaller market, but it'd be nice to just focus on just one thing, whether it be just building outdoor spaces only or just fertilizing, you know, or just mowing grass, you know. But I honestly, my passion is kind of the outdoor living area. So I wish that we were had a company that just did outdoor, which maybe at some point might be. If that scales up enough that we might just do that at some point. So you never know. Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. So what is one piece of advice that you'd give David Mitchell who started this company back in 2006 David Mitchell: Mm. Kimberly Griggs: six? David Mitchell: I think some of the stuff we've talked about already. I mean, you know, I probably would have researched a little more and maybe get all those systems in place before even started hiring people or even start the business, you know. I think it's key. I've I've heard of some businesses that or I actually went to some training with a business in our industry that he actually stepped out for a full year and after he'd been in business and and just just did that and and then from there stepped back into the business and grew the business and now he helps train other business owners to do the same thing he helps them do the the systems and all that stuff or estimating and stuff like that but he stepped out of the whole business and just did that. So I think I would have started where I did more of that on the front end. Than trying to do it now. So Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. And this may be the answer to this question, but what is the unfinished business or what's still ahead for Mitchell landscaping? David Mitchell: hm, I think just keep growing. keep and offering the services that we're doing to the best that we can and and then keep improving on how we can do those services because I never like it when I have a you're not always gonna make everybody a hundred percent happy the first time, but I never like it whenever someone's dissatisfied Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. Yeah. Well, final question, David Mitchell: anybody? Kimberly Griggs: Well, two part question. For customers, when that people think of Mitchell landscaping twenty years from now, what what do you hope that they remember? And then for the business owner in your shoes, what would your advice be? David Mitchell: Man, I it's kinda funny, I ran into one of my customers that I one of my first customers when I started and just ran into actually at Pondaseta believe or not. They was like, we didn't know if you even recognized us... I was like, Of course I do. And I remember they had two little girls and I was redoing their backyard and so the little girls would come up to me and talk to me and basically wanted play with me when I was working and that's back when I did everything myself. But I think I just want to keep building relationships with customers. I think that's that's key. I love repeat customers and doing repeat work for customers because those are the kind of people that know you and really like your work. So I think just building a business based on that and and people that continue to use your work and are happy with that. as soon as you asked that question, that reminded me of that that couple. That used to me like twenty years ago, yeah. So and was Kimberly Griggs: I love that. Yeah, I love that. And then your your lessons for an entrepreneur? Yeah. David Mitchell: lessons yeah, lesson for entrepreneur is do your homework and stay at it. I mean starting a business, I think they say after you've been in business, I think three years or something like that or four. I mean, you probably are gonna make it. So yeah, doing it at the beginning is tough. lots of hours, lots of doing all the things yourself, but you just gotta stay with it. and and you'll succeed as long as you Keep giving a hundred percent and and don't give up. So yeah, definitely stay with it. And I I'd say also talk to other people in your business. I think that's probably been a key for me is is make friends with I know you're competitors, but it's always good to bounce ideas off each other and build kind of a friendship in in your own business so that y'all can help each other out. I mean, honestly. Kimberly Griggs: Yeah, I think that's really great words of wisdom. And also, you know, to we didn't really talk about this, but it's so important to build those referral partners as well because there could be shared opportunities and they pass them both ways. We can't take every client that comes through our door a lot of times, but I think givers gain, right? David Mitchell: Very true. Yep. Yep. Whether it be in your business or someone else in a different business, definitely. Yep. It's always good to talk to other business people. Kimberly Griggs: Absolutely. Well, David, this has been a great conversation. I appreciate you joining us today. I think what really stood out to me a lot about what you said is, you know, while you're in the landscaping business, to me, you're really helping people create places where life happens. And and I just love that. so I I want to acknowledge you for the great work that you do in the area. any parting words like I said for anyone that might be looking right now where can we find you where can we connect with you David Mitchell: yeah, you can find us, just look Mitchell Landscaping up. we have a website that you can go to and you can either call us or email us off that website or we even have a portal on there that you can just send us a message and it'll come to our email and yeah, we'd love to help you out and look at whatever you have going and see if it's something that we can do for you. And even if it's a question about, you know, if you're having issues with something your lawn or trees or you know, something growing, which I know the Texas Panhandle is a very difficult place to grow stuff. Kimberly Griggs: Yeah. David Mitchell: and so if you have questions, just holler at us. We can maybe could just give you some advice even if we don't if you don't end up hiring us to do that stuff. So Kimberly Griggs: Right. Well thank you so much, David. This has been a joy. So thank you for joining us and we'll see you next time on Unfinished Business. David Mitchell: Thank you.