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Under the Weather and the Health Dangers of Cruise Ships · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 106 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:32
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: So, we'll depart from our words and perhaps to a phrase today, OK.
• 0:40
  I Hate Talking: So, we've been discussing our new favorite American Heritage Dictionary and our old favorite, Oxford Language Dictionary.
• 0:48
  I Hate Talking: So, for this one, we probably won't need either.
• 0:51
  I Hate Talking: OK, because you know the phrase so well, or it would not be in the dictionary.
• 0:57
  I Hate Talking: I don't think it would be in the dictionary except for Urban Dictionary.
• 1:00
  I Hate Talking: Well, that's definitely not a dictionary.
• 1:03
  I Hate Talking: So our phrase of the episode is under the weather.
• 1:08
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 1:09
  I Hate Talking: So I actually learned about this this past week on a presentation about boats, and it was something that I had never heard before.
• 1:17
  I Hate Talking: And I was actually a little bit Weary of the definition.
• 1:22
  I Hate Talking: And had in fact validated it myself, but the presenter was in fact correct of his source of the phrase under the weather.
• 1:31
  I Hate Talking: -- So -- the phrase under the weather, which is what we typically say to mean like not feeling well or sick, it comes from nautical terms.
• 1:40
  I Hate Talking: That's correct.
• 1:41
  I Hate Talking: Because of, OK, let me see if I can figure it out then, because I wasn't in that presentation.
• 1:46
  I Hate Talking: So is it like under the weather, like, if the weather is poor.
• 1:51
  I Hate Talking: Like it's gonna storm, then you guys can't sell properly.
• 1:55
  I Hate Talking: Would that be the idea?
• 1:58
  I Hate Talking: Almost.
• 2:00
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 2:00
  I Hate Talking: So the person that is under the weather or sick or not feeling well, because of said weather, so maybe they're seasick or they're already sick and the weather is exacerbating their particular symptoms, they would go below deck, and they would be under the weather beam or under the weather bow, as that section of the ship that is going to be less bumpy because of the area that it is located in.
• 2:30
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK.
• 2:30
  I Hate Talking: So, cause yeah, if you're not feeling good, you definitely don't want to feel the swaying of the ship, cause that's gonna aggravate the symptoms.
• 2:38
  I Hate Talking: So you go to an area that is more stable.
• 2:42
  I Hate Talking: Correct.
• 2:42
  I Hate Talking: And then you're under the weather beam or under the weather bow, and then that was shortened to under the weather, and if you're not feeling well, you are under the weather.
• 2:51
  I Hate Talking: Oh, hmm, I would have never guessed that.
• 2:54
  I Hate Talking: And apparently this came about in the 19th century, so it's not even that old per se.
• 3:01
  I Hate Talking: I would expected like.
• 3:03
  I Hate Talking: Sailing ships of the 16th and 17th century, I was 17th, yeah, but apparently this came about in the 19th century.
• 3:11
  I Hate Talking: Is that when they kind of got a more stable area with the ships, like with their architecture?
• 3:19
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 3:21
  I Hate Talking: I'm not sure.
• 3:22
  I Hate Talking: I mean, they still would have been wooden ships at that time, so.
• 3:26
  I Hate Talking: Maybe they had a different Method of building the ship that would have a particular beam that would be the weather beam or the weather bow, and that is how it came about.
• 3:37
  I Hate Talking: And then during the course of history, it actually also came to be used as a term for if you are just unwell in general, or even facing financial difficulty, and you are under the weather.
• 3:53
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK.
• 3:55
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if I've ever heard it for financial.
• 3:56
  I Hate Talking: Correct.
• 3:58
  I Hate Talking: That would have been something like after the original creation of this particular phrase, and then maybe 50 or 100 years, and then that has apparently since dropped off from the way that we use the phrase and now we really just use under the weather to mean sick or not feeling well from a physical standpoint.
• 4:18
  I Hate Talking: Right, because for financial, I think like underwater.
• 4:21
  I Hate Talking: Is that the same kind of idea then?
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  I Hate Talking: Cause underwater means you're not doing well financially.
• 4:28
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I suppose so.
• 4:31
  I Hate Talking: That would typically refer to your debt to income ratio, where you are upside down, you're underwater, you're Below 0, essentially, your debt exceeds your income in the red.
• 4:46
  I Hate Talking: No, in the red, you still could be doing fine from a Income to debt ratio, but perhaps for that particular period or week, expenses are exceeding income.
• 4:59
  I Hate Talking: So that's more on the expense revenue side versus a debt to income ratio, I think.
• 5:04
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 5:05
  I Hate Talking: Because you can operate in the red for a while, if you have savings.
• 5:11
  I Hate Talking: If you're in the red from a Or credit.
• 5:16
  I Hate Talking: Well then you know, then you're underwater because that's a debt thing.
• 5:19
  I Hate Talking: Credit would be debt.
• 5:20
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK.
• 5:21
  I Hate Talking: If you're using savings to fulfill expenses that are less than your income, then you're in the red, but you're not necessarily underwater because you're not in debt.
• 5:32
  I Hate Talking: You're just spending more than you're getting, but you're not below 0 because you have your own personal savings that are above 0.
• 5:41
  I Hate Talking: OK, I can see that.
• 5:43
  I Hate Talking: So, that is our phrase under the weather, and some interesting etymology and how that came about.
• 5:51
  I Hate Talking: As it relates to boats and nautical terms.
• 5:54
  I Hate Talking: Y'all, if you haven't heard of semester at sea, I gotta do it in college, and I would love for my kids or anyone to do it, uh, college students, it's where you live on a cruise ship and travel the world and study with your professors, the places that you're traveling to.
• 6:13
  I Hate Talking: It's amazing and one of the best experiences of my life.
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  I Hate Talking: There was a day we had really poor weather on ship, and they actually canceled courses because you do your Semester, your college classes on the ship there.
• 6:28
  I Hate Talking: And your professors live on the ship with you, and you guys just all travel together and do your classes at sea, and then dock and explore the country, then get back and study for the next ship, or the next country.
• 6:41
  I Hate Talking: There is one day though, the weather was so bad that they canceled all courses, and the only reason you're allowed out of your room or your dorm would be to go get food if you needed to, and that was like very Haired down also.
• 7:01
  I Hate Talking: I remember going with my roommate to go get some lunch, I think it was, and the ship was so intense.
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  I Hate Talking: Everyone, if you stood up, people were extremely seasick.
• 7:12
  I Hate Talking: We've been living on a ship for months.
• 7:14
  I Hate Talking: Weren't sick, we're used to the waves, but this was next level, and we were walking down the hall, it would just like throw you against the wall across the way.
• 7:25
  I Hate Talking: The waves were so intense, you had to like hold on to the pole as you were walking, or you just fell over.
• 7:32
  I Hate Talking: But that's what made me think of when you're talking about under the weather, like, even on a ship like that, we did not have a safe spot to go.
• 7:40
  I Hate Talking: You were just told to stay in your room on your bed and don't get up.
• 7:44
  I Hate Talking: Right, but I'm sure the hallway or in your cabin was a much better space than being above deck exposed to the elements.
• 7:53
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, you were not allowed.
• 7:54
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if, I guess they probably didn't lock it for safety issues.
• 7:58
  I Hate Talking: I remember very clearly you were not allowed to go above deck.
• 8:01
  I Hate Talking: The ships that were, you know, maybe like, I forget, I'd have to make up a number, but where the waves never hit on the ship, we're going above it and hitting like the open decks, the waves were that intense.
• 8:18
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 8:19
  I Hate Talking: So, if you were a person on a 19th century ship and had to help with the rigging and steering of the ship, you would have to be above deck to do that versus a modern ship where you're basically not going to have any of those people that are necessarily above deck in order for the function of the ship.
• 8:39
  I Hate Talking: Right, yeah, I mean, I assume maybe some of them did, depending on what they needed to do.
• 8:45
  I Hate Talking: But it was very pared down, and yeah, most of them were in their cabin or in the interior.
• 8:51
  I Hate Talking: It was like this deck area with all these glass, and that's where they steered the ship and worked on it.
• 8:57
  I Hate Talking: So unless something major happened that they had to get out there and take care of on the deck.
• 9:02
  I Hate Talking: Everyone stayed inside, which is different, you're right, cause like, they used to have to deal with the sales, and actually steer it and stuff, where now it's more automatic, right?
• 9:12
  I Hate Talking: Correct.
• 9:13
  I Hate Talking: And then that was a relatively small cruise ship in the grand scheme of things, which that's probably also why it was a little bit more susceptible to weather and the fact that it was so impacted by waves and weather and wind and so on.
• 9:30
  I Hate Talking: It was, it was a great ship.
• 9:31
  I Hate Talking: Um, it's no longer even, I guess it's probably in existence, but semester at Sea has actually gotten a nicer, bigger ship now.
• 9:39
  I Hate Talking: But mine is retired or whatnot.
• 9:44
  I Hate Talking: But yeah, it was, it was a great size and I didn't ever feel like it was small, but once in a while we'd be docking a port and then like a normal cruise ship would come by.
• 9:53
  I Hate Talking: And we were maybe like 125% of the size, so it was, it looked like tiny little babies compared to them.
• 10:00
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, and then I think you were under the weather on that trip too, right?
• 10:04
  I Hate Talking: Well, so I got seasick that day.
• 10:07
  I Hate Talking: And then yes, another time I got under the weather and most of the ship did was because um we went to Egypt, amazing, life changing, one of the best experiences of my life.
• 10:21
  I Hate Talking: But we were very clearly told what to eat, what not to eat, don't drink, only drink bottled water, things like that, just cause we're not used to their culture.
• 10:33
  I Hate Talking: And um our body hasn't built up those kind of immunities that they have.
• 10:38
  I Hate Talking: Well, I don't think I.
• 10:41
  I Hate Talking: Ate or drank the wrong thing, but several people did, and in a cruise ship, sickness spreads so easily.
• 10:50
  I Hate Talking: I was, especially with a bunch of college students all together studying and all that.
• 10:55
  I Hate Talking: So yes, we, um, all got very, very sick.
• 11:00
  I Hate Talking: It was pretty miserable, and they ended up making the rule that everyone, whether you had symptoms or not, had to take this strong antibiotic medicine.
• 11:10
  I Hate Talking: Just basically kill everything that was going around and we also had to stay in our cabins that day too, like for a day or two.
• 11:17
  I Hate Talking: We weren't allowed, they brought food to our cabins for us, so we stopped spreading it around.
• 11:22
  I Hate Talking: So we all ended up kind of having to quarantine and that was not fun either.
• 11:28
  I Hate Talking: Well, at least it wasn't the -- hantavirrus -- though.
• 11:32
  I Hate Talking: Oh man, yes, how concerned.
• 11:36
  I Hate Talking: Are you?
• 11:37
  I Hate Talking: Because my thought process I mentioned to you even earlier tonight, is like, hey, I bet cruises are pretty cheap right now.
• 11:45
  I Hate Talking: Should we look into one?
• 11:46
  I Hate Talking: So that's my level of concern is, I think we can take advantage of this and get a cheap cruise out of it.
• 11:53
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 11:55
  I Hate Talking: I have not checked prices, but I feel like you don't have that same reaction.
• 11:58
  I Hate Talking: No, I, I don't really like cruises to begin with, so I guess I'm one of the people that would actually cause a loss of sale because I'm going to be even more inclined to stay on land in that particular scenario.
• 12:11
  I Hate Talking: We went with some friends on a cruise.
• 12:14
  I Hate Talking: It was so fun.
• 12:15
  I Hate Talking: In 2019.
• 12:17
  I Hate Talking: And we had, I had a great time with you and our friends.
• 12:21
  I Hate Talking: And then obviously the next year is COVID, and I remember telling them, I'm so glad we went in this cruise last year, cause I don't think I'm getting Adam on one ever again.
• 12:32
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 12:34
  I Hate Talking: The most memorable events in my mind were actually not even things that took place on the boat, but on the destinations.
• 12:41
  I Hate Talking: So I guess I'm just a landlubber.
• 12:43
  I Hate Talking: I guess so.
• 12:44
  I Hate Talking: No, the food was so good and Yeah, oh, I loved it.
• 12:51
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I guess, I mean, you can look out at the ocean.
• 12:54
  I Hate Talking: There was, I guess, maybe at night you could have a little bit better view of the solar system and the stars and everything, but like the pool, the hot tub, those are things you can do on land.
• 13:05
  I Hate Talking: Good food you can get on land.
• 13:07
  I Hate Talking: So, right, but 24 hours a day, yeah, just go to a 24 hour buffet.
• 13:14
  I Hate Talking: They have those things on land.
• 13:15
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I, I get what you're saying.
• 13:18
  I Hate Talking: I think this point is, you don't have to do anything.
• 13:22
  I Hate Talking: If you're on land, you have to take a taxi somewhere, or you have to drive or walk or.
• 13:29
  I Hate Talking: You know, deal with all that kind of stuff.
• 13:32
  I Hate Talking: Where this is just, you can just lay out.
• 13:36
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, I love the sound of the waves too, so you just get any time of day, go listen to the ocean waves.
• 13:42
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's sort of like a beachfront property at a resort, all-inclusive, don't have to go anywhere, 24 hour food, waves right there at your doorstep.
• 13:51
  I Hate Talking: It's different because there you have to walk out.
• 13:55
  I Hate Talking: And you're not on the water, you'd be on sand.
• 13:59
  I Hate Talking: And if there's like an outbreak of hantavirus in rats with very uh bad cleanliness that you can just leave if you have to.
• 14:10
  I Hate Talking: I have not heard the official results, but I mean hantavirus is pretty much exclusively spread by the feces of rodents, so.
• 14:20
  I Hate Talking: That is what I've seen as the hypothesis that most people think that it was some sort of rat or mouse infestation on the boat and got into perhaps the food supply or water supply or something like that.
• 14:34
  I Hate Talking: Because I don't think.
• 14:36
  I Hate Talking: Antivirus is necessarily communicable from person to person.
• 14:41
  I Hate Talking: I thought you had to have it from like the source rodent.
• 14:45
  I Hate Talking: Well, then that's better.
• 14:47
  I Hate Talking: Then why are people all concerned?
• 14:49
  I Hate Talking: Well, I guess it's like their entire food supply is Infected for that ship for that ship.
• 14:55
  I Hate Talking: Well, I feel like people are acting like it's the new COVID and like you gotta quarantine those people because they're gonna come back and we're all gonna get it and -- I guess -- 2020 relive, check this.
• 15:07
  I Hate Talking: So search that up and see, are you gonna use Duck Duck Go or Google or Yahoo or Mr.
• 15:14
  I Hate Talking: Jeeves.
• 15:14
  I Hate Talking: Jeeves or Bing, did I say that one already?
• 15:19
  I Hate Talking: No, no, you did not.
• 15:21
  I Hate Talking: There's lots of search engines.
• 15:22
  I Hate Talking: All I had to do is type in how does HA and then hantavirus spread came right up.
• 15:30
  I Hate Talking: So what did those particular search terms result in then?
• 15:35
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, so mostly you're right, it is by rodents.
• 15:39
  I Hate Talking: So the primary transmission, the rodent to human by the airborne, like inhaling it by dust or air contamination with urine droppings, saliva when it's stirred up.
• 15:54
  I Hate Talking: Direct contact, like touching the contaminated items, such as a nesting nest or then touching your eyes, nose, or mouth.
• 16:05
  I Hate Talking: By rodent bites.
• 16:08
  I Hate Talking: And ingesting it by consuming food or water contaminated by the rodents.
• 16:14
  I Hate Talking: So that is the most common.
• 16:16
  I Hate Talking: But there is a human to human transmission.
• 16:20
  I Hate Talking: Most are not spread that way, but the Andres virus strain found in South America is notably the exception, and it is transmitted between people.
• 16:33
  I Hate Talking: Within close contact.
• 16:35
  I Hate Talking: So do we know is this new one, the Andreas line?
• 16:40
  I Hate Talking: So South America you said.
• 16:44
  I Hate Talking: So this particular ship is.
• 16:48
  I Hate Talking: Coming from.
• 16:50
  I Hate Talking: Well, I guess it's currently anchored off Cape Verde in Africa.
• 16:55
  I Hate Talking: I'm trying to find, yeah, I think it was like South South America, like the very tip is what I saw.
• 17:01
  I Hate Talking: So they have the flag state of the Netherlands.
• 17:06
  I Hate Talking: Of course, that doesn't really mean anything in terms of Where they may be cruise in or out of, so.
• 17:14
  I Hate Talking: Apparently this puts me into a Yahoo search.
• 17:18
  I Hate Talking: So how about that?
• 17:19
  I Hate Talking: -- There -- you go.
• 17:19
  I Hate Talking: Oh wow, we didn't even know Yahoo existed.
• 17:22
  I Hate Talking: I didn't.
• 17:23
  I Hate Talking: It completely fails.
• 17:24
  I Hate Talking: It basically results in a blank page.
• 17:26
  I Hate Talking: So that must be why people don't use that.
• 17:30
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, but, um, the vessel departed from Argentina April 1st.
• 17:35
  I Hate Talking: Well, there you go.
• 17:36
  I Hate Talking: Argentina's in South America.
• 17:38
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that was one of them that was notably listed when they listed the countries.
• 17:42
  I Hate Talking: So maybe that is why they are concerned about the human to human transmission if it's the Andres version and Maybe came from rats originally or some sort of rodents.
• 17:55
  I Hate Talking: So case one, the adult male developed symptoms on April 6th while on the ship.
• 18:03
  I Hate Talking: And they removed him.
• 18:07
  I Hate Talking: The body of the passenger, I don't, oh yeah, he died.
• 18:12
  I Hate Talking: He passed away April 11th.
• 18:14
  I Hate Talking: And was removed from the ship.
• 18:16
  I Hate Talking: On the 24th of April, case two is an adult female in close contact with case one.
• 18:23
  I Hate Talking: Who on the 24th went ashore of Saint Helena.
• 18:29
  I Hate Talking: And got sick, airlifted on the 25th.
• 18:33
  I Hate Talking: Uh died on the twenty-sixth.
• 18:37
  I Hate Talking: And so cases 1 and 2 traveled to South America, including Argentina.
• 18:43
  I Hate Talking: Before they boarded the ship April 1st.
• 18:46
  I Hate Talking: He's 3 is an adult male.
• 18:48
  I Hate Talking: He presents with the ship's doctor on the 24th.
• 18:53
  I Hate Talking: Similar symptoms as the other two.
• 18:56
  I Hate Talking: On the 26th, his condition worsened, and he was evacuated in South Africa on the 27th and is currently being hospitalized.
• 19:05
  I Hate Talking: As of right now.
• 19:08
  I Hate Talking: With a confirmed case as of May 2nd.
• 19:12
  I Hate Talking: Case 4 is an adult female with pneumonia.
• 19:16
  I Hate Talking: On May 2nd.
• 19:19
  I Hate Talking: Just general feeling unwell.
• 19:22
  I Hate Talking: So, all of them sound like it just has like a high fever and like gastrointestinal symptoms at fir at first, and then it quickly deteriorates.
• 19:33
  I Hate Talking: So yeah, case, I mean, case 2 was right with case 1, I assume that maybe they were.
• 19:40
  I Hate Talking: Partners or whatnot.
• 19:42
  I Hate Talking: It doesn't say.
• 19:43
  I Hate Talking: I'm speculating, but You could assume that case 2, even though it sounds like maybe they got it from case 1.
• 19:51
  I Hate Talking: If they were in close contact, then maybe they would have gotten it from wherever he got it from as well.
• 19:57
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so because if you got sick, I could have caught it from you or I'm just with you on vacation too, eating the same stuff or whatever, yes.
• 20:08
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 20:10
  I Hate Talking: Although hantavirus is pretty bad cause it has like a 35% mortality rate, and that's primarily because of the cardiopulmonary.
• 20:19
  I Hate Talking: Pulmonary syndrome, which is a strange name because it's cardiopulmonary, pulmonary syndrome.
• 20:27
  I Hate Talking: You say pulmonary twice the lungs, right?
• 20:30
  I Hate Talking: So it's yeah, heart, lungs, lungs.
• 20:33
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 20:35
  I Hate Talking: I don't know why.
• 20:36
  I Hate Talking: I don't know why you would just not call it cardiopulmonary syndrome.
• 20:40
  I Hate Talking: Why do you call it cardiopulmonary pulmonary syndrome?
• 20:42
  I Hate Talking: Oh, -- double -- pulmonary, double pulmonary.
• 20:45
  I Hate Talking: Does that affect both your lungs then?
• 20:47
  I Hate Talking: -- Maybe -- I have no idea.
• 20:48
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 20:49
  I Hate Talking: But even worse than that is the.
• 20:51
  I Hate Talking: Hemorrhaic fever.
• 20:53
  I Hate Talking: Why would that be worse?
• 20:56
  I Hate Talking: Well, it's basically when your brain bleeds during a fever.
• 21:00
  I Hate Talking: It's like you're, yeah, you're dead.
• 21:04
  I Hate Talking: Yes, so antivirus is pretty bad.
• 21:07
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I mean, that's sad, no matter, you know, those 3 individuals, or I guess 2 have passed, right?
• 21:15
  I Hate Talking: I feel like I heard 3 passed, though the article I read said only 2.
• 21:18
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 21:20
  I Hate Talking: I'm not sure, but.
• 21:22
  I Hate Talking: No matter what, there are people who have passed away from this, their families are influenced for sure.
• 21:28
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, this article says 3 dead, 5 sickened.
• 21:30
  I Hate Talking: And then, I mean, it's like, I don't know if it's a scare tactic or if it's true, but you hear people saying like, oh no.
• 21:38
  I Hate Talking: You know, they're back on land now and now people are getting sick on land.
• 21:42
  I Hate Talking: So that's why I was asking you how concerned you are or how concerned we should be about this.
• 21:50
  I Hate Talking: I was not that concerned because I did not even know that there's a human to human transmission vector.
• 21:56
  I Hate Talking: I thought it was all exclusively from rodents and their filth.
• 22:00
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, which it seems like it is, for the most part, that there is this occasional specific strain that has human to human.
• 22:11
  I Hate Talking: Transmission, but hopefully they're not doing gain of function research with the.
• 22:16
  I Hate Talking: Andy's I think it's Andy, right?
• 22:20
  I Hate Talking: You said Andres.
• 22:21
  I Hate Talking: I said Andres.
• 22:22
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, this is Andy's strange.
• 22:24
  I Hate Talking: How do they spell it?
• 22:24
  I Hate Talking: A N D E S.
• 22:26
  I Hate Talking: Oh yeah, that's how mine spelled it too.
• 22:28
  I Hate Talking: I just don't know how to read.
• 22:30
  I Hate Talking: Andes Andre's.
• 22:33
  I Hate Talking: Oh, -- I did an -- R -- in -- it.
• 22:35
  I Hate Talking: You had an R, yeah, Andre's or Andre.
• 22:37
  I Hate Talking: -- This would just -- be, you're right, Andy.
• 22:39
  I Hate Talking: -- I added the -- R like the Andes Mountains, probably.
• 22:42
  I Hate Talking: -- I don't even know where that -- is.
• 22:43
  I Hate Talking: Well, they're in South America, right?
• 22:45
  I Hate Talking: Oh no, yes, that's probably why it's named that then.
• 22:49
  I Hate Talking: Andreas Mountains, I've heard of those.
• 22:52
  I Hate Talking: Is that different?
• 22:54
  I Hate Talking: I think the Andes Mountains are in South America.
• 23:00
  I Hate Talking: Yes, they are.
• 23:01
  I Hate Talking: It's the longest continental mountain range in the world, ranging from Argentina, Chile, and Peru.
• 23:06
  I Hate Talking: Yes, it's the west side of South America.
• 23:10
  I Hate Talking: But I just googled it because I would have put money down that there's the Andreas Mountains.
• 23:16
  I Hate Talking: But there's not, it's the Andes Mountains.
• 23:20
  I Hate Talking: I don't know why I always said it wrong.
• 23:23
  I Hate Talking: Yes, my duck echo search for Andres or Andre Mountains autocorrects the Andes Mountains and does not even give anything about.
• 23:33
  I Hate Talking: Anything that would be related to, yeah, y'all, let me know if you thought that there was Andreas Mountains also, -- or is -- it just uncovered a new Mandela effect, so you're from a different universe because I've always known the Andes Mountains.
• 23:46
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, that sounds so fake.
• 23:48
  I Hate Talking: It's like the candy, right?
• 23:52
  I Hate Talking: Andy's chocolates.
• 23:53
  I Hate Talking: I guess you never had the mints.
• 23:58
  I Hate Talking: I, I do.
• 23:58
  I Hate Talking: I love them.
• 23:59
  I Hate Talking: They're so yummy.
• 24:00
  I Hate Talking: Is it with an R when you have the bright green packaging?
• 24:04
  I Hate Talking: What do you see?
• 24:05
  I Hate Talking: A N D Y S.
• 24:09
  I Hate Talking: Is that not true?
• 24:10
  I Hate Talking: That's like the mountains, A N D E S.
• 24:13
  I Hate Talking: Huh, You're right, he just showed it to me and.
• 24:19
  I Hate Talking: No, let me say that again.
• 24:22
  I Hate Talking: They're a bright green mint, -- that you always started at Olive -- Garden.
• 24:27
  I Hate Talking: I get them all the time.
• 24:27
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I understand what they are.
• 24:29
  I Hate Talking: Um, I would not have spelled them that way.
• 24:32
  I Hate Talking: It's, yeah, I mean, it's the same spelling as the Andes Mountains.
• 24:36
  I Hate Talking: Well, yeah, because I think that's a picture of the Andes Mountains in the background on their packaging.
• 24:39
  I Hate Talking: Let me see that again.
• 24:41
  I Hate Talking: There is a mountain, yeah, even on the little individually wrapped, there's mountains.
• 24:45
  I Hate Talking: -- Are -- they from Argentina?
• 24:46
  I Hate Talking: Can we not eat those now because we're gonna get sick?
• 24:49
  I Hate Talking: Oh man.
• 24:51
  I Hate Talking: Our kids gonna be so sad.
• 24:53
  I Hate Talking: That's like his favorite candy.
• 24:55
  I Hate Talking: I think he only thinks he can get them at Christmas, cause I put them in his stocking.
• 25:00
  I Hate Talking: And they're not one of those candies you get like usually in the aisles of candies.
• 25:05
  I Hate Talking: Well, this is interesting, I guess we have a, a double etymology on this one.
• 25:08
  I Hate Talking: OK, so 1921, Andrew Kaleos opened a small candy store in Chicago, Illinois.
• 25:14
  I Hate Talking: He called it Andy's Candies in reference to himself.
• 25:17
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, nice soliturgy.
• 25:20
  I Hate Talking: His predominantly male customers did not like giving boxes of candy with another man's name to their wives and girlfriends, so he changed it to Andy's candies, A N D E S.
• 25:30
  I Hate Talking: Ah, well, so maybe it's not Mandela effect.
• 25:34
  I Hate Talking: Do I know Andy's as the original spelling?
• 25:37
  I Hate Talking: Am I one of the original customers?
• 25:41
  I Hate Talking: Probably not, but I'm gonna pretend.
• 25:45
  I Hate Talking: When was that?
• 25:46
  I Hate Talking: When was what?
• 25:48
  I Hate Talking: When did he create handy?
• 25:50
  I Hate Talking: 1921.
• 25:51
  I Hate Talking: Uh, I was not alive, so I guess I wasn't an original customer.
• 25:56
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, -- there's mountains -- on the packaging.
• 25:59
  I Hate Talking: I guess it's probably the Andes Mountains or it just is.
• 26:02
  I Hate Talking: A -- coincidence that there's -- mountains and that it's mountains.
• 26:06
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think so.
• 26:09
  I Hate Talking: But he was from Chicago, not from South America.
• 26:13
  I Hate Talking: Correct.
• 26:14
  I Hate Talking: Hmm.
• 26:15
  I Hate Talking: That is super interesting.
• 26:18
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's, I wanna know if other people have this Mandela effect, or if I'm just Out here on this island by myself, because I would have put money down on it.
• 26:29
  I Hate Talking: The spelling, nor did I ever realize there was a mountain on it.
• 26:34
  I Hate Talking: But I would buy them.
• 26:37
  I Hate Talking: At least once a year for Christmas.
• 26:40
  I Hate Talking: Apparently, they were not associated with the Andes Mountains.
• 26:45
  I Hate Talking: He just liked the features of a snow-capped mountain to evoke a sense of Adventure.
• 26:51
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 26:53
  I Hate Talking: And you couldn't choose any near.
• 26:55
  I Hate Talking: More local.
• 26:58
  I Hate Talking: Well then not with his name in it.
• 27:00
  I Hate Talking: Oh, cause it's close enough to his name that it counts.
• 27:05
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, you say it the same way, Andy's candies or Andy's candies.
• 27:09
  I Hate Talking: OK, Really quickly.
• 27:12
  I Hate Talking: Since we're going off the rails on this, how would you look up something like that in 1920?
• 27:19
  I Hate Talking: Like right now we just googled, yep, that's what the mountain range looks like, and that's what he took.
• 27:24
  I Hate Talking: In 1920, you obviously don't have Google.
• 27:28
  I Hate Talking: How could he figure out that there was a mountain range with his name, a variation of his name.
• 27:33
  I Hate Talking: Well, I would imagine that he had had like an encyclopedia and was properly trained in school on like world geography, so he knew about the Andes Mountains.
• 27:44
  I Hate Talking: So he knows about candy and geography.
• 27:47
  I Hate Talking: Most people do in the 1920s, and then I suspect that there would still be photographs or at least artists renditions of the Andes Mountains that would be available in a local library at that time.
• 28:00
  I Hate Talking: The local library was a pretty powerful tool before the internet.
• 28:04
  I Hate Talking: You could go there and find a lot of information in encyclopedias, newspapers, books, even.
• 28:10
  I Hate Talking: I guess so.
• 28:13
  I Hate Talking: I just question how they got that information.
• 28:16
  I Hate Talking: Well, the same way you get information today is like there has to be a person that goes there and like, Or the satellite gets it now, I guess the satellite, yes, we can just all use Google Maps and have satellite images and Starlink will swarm the world because they had to have a lot of faith back then, right?
• 28:34
  I Hate Talking: Because there wasn't airplanes and stuff like that.
• 28:38
  I Hate Talking: Like now you could fly down there in a day and even come back same day, right?
• 28:42
  I Hate Talking: They can fly to the moon and go around it and take pictures and prove that the moon is real.
• 28:46
  I Hate Talking: It only takes 7 days, right?
• 28:49
  I Hate Talking: That's how long it took them, or 10 days, I think, 10 days.
• 28:51
  I Hate Talking: See, we don't even know how long it took, so we can't trust anything you hear.
• 28:54
  I Hate Talking: Maybe it was 7 days and the AI said it was 10 days.
• 28:57
  I Hate Talking: Somebody had to get on a ship.
• 28:58
  I Hate Talking: And then land there, like dock there, go out and sketch the mountain.
• 29:05
  I Hate Talking: And then get back on a ship, and then sailed back to North America.
• 29:12
  I Hate Talking: And then put that in a book.
• 29:14
  I Hate Talking: So you're saying the only people that can produce books are from North America?
• 29:19
  I Hate Talking: What if there was somebody that lived in the Andes Mountains and was like, I'm gonna make a book about the Andes Mountains and then distribute it to the entire world and send it to my friends in Chicago.
• 29:30
  I Hate Talking: They still can draw a picture, right, but how would you know what language that was?
• 29:36
  I Hate Talking: How would you know that that's Andres Mountains?
• 29:39
  I Hate Talking: Well, it's not Andre's Mountains.
• 29:41
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, well, I cannot not say it.
• 29:44
  I Hate Talking: I would have fought you on this argument.
• 29:48
  I Hate Talking: Like if we did not have our phones in front of us, this is a hill I would have died on, Andreas Mountains.
• 29:55
  I Hate Talking: Well, maybe that's what it was in the encyclopedia in 1921, and it's just the Mandela effect.
• 30:00
  I Hate Talking: So, while you're looking that up, just a brief reminder to all our listeners that if you did enjoy this episode, you can always like, share and subscribe, and it's always helpful, even if you just share it with one other person.
• 30:14
  I Hate Talking: And as of this recording, there are 2 years of recordings in the past that you can listen to and share, which we didn't even mention, but we'll mention it now and maybe we'll talk more about that next time.
• 30:27
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, 2 years, guys, we have been doing this for 2 years sitting across from each other, chatting on these microphones and it's been really fun.
• 30:35
  I Hate Talking: It's been a good journey.
• 30:36
  I Hate Talking: Thanks to all those who have listened in the beginning or caught up or are just listening now.
• 30:42
  I Hate Talking: But to vindicate myself, I googled from Google, Andreas Mountain's Mandela effect, and I mean, maybe my AI dislikes me as a friend, but it says the Andreas Mountains Mandela effect refers to the commonly misremembered or misidentified non-existent mountain range, often mixed up with the Andres Mountains.
• 31:11
  I Hate Talking: So you're still saying it wrong.
• 31:12
  I Hate Talking: Andes, oh man, Andes Mountains, A N D E S, or a specific fictional, oh, well, maybe this is it, location, San Andreas.
• 31:27
  I Hate Talking: Well, maybe I don't know, -- but that's a single mountain in the -- Andreas Faults, right.
• 31:33
  I Hate Talking: -- I grew up on Andreas -- Faults.
• 31:36
  I Hate Talking: Maybe that's what you're mixing.
• 31:36
  I Hate Talking: -- Maybe that's where -- I get confused.
• 31:38
  I Hate Talking: The Mandela effect, which we have discussed in the past, you can just use the search engine and look up Mandela effect.
• 31:45
  I Hate Talking: So at least my AI wants to validate me that I'm not the only person that thinks this.
• 31:52
  I Hate Talking: Well, that's true, but AI can have its own hallucinations, so who knows.
• 31:57
  I Hate Talking: -- But -- yeah, if you wanna hear other Mandela effects, feel free to search back and find that.
• 32:02
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 32:03
  I Hate Talking: Or tell me that I'm not the only crazy one here.
• 32:06
  I Hate Talking: Me and AI and everyone else that thinks that it's the Andreas Mountains.
• 32:12
  I Hate Talking: I've never heard that before.
• 32:14
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.