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71: Sister Wives Rewind - College Bound Browns (S3E9) · Reality TV Cringe

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Hi raccoon, hiy Hi Delia. It's the Fat Raccoons and we're gonna talk
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some trash to you. Yeah. Do you even get that reference? No,
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well you mean the hey, hey, that's fat Albert, thank you.
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Yeah, I know that. That's the song from My Dome. That
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was the song. Oh I didn't know the song. Oh my gosh.
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Yeah. So we're the fat Raccoons. We are fat. We're here to
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talk some trash to these raccoons. Yeah. We are gathered here today in
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the year of Lar twenty twenty three to talk about the Sister Wives because they're
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traveling around again. They're going to Boston. They're looking at Colladron. Oh
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my god. They're on a panel discussing the very important topic of polygamy.
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They're religious celestial marriage, baby, Yeah, it's not just about being married
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on the planet. Yeah, on the Earth's and the celestial kingdom. You're
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up in heaven with Jesus Christ themselves, with your celestial planet. Jesus.
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I don't know if Jesus is there. Yeah. No, they like have
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a whole planet for Jesus. Wait, Jesus has his own planet, yeah,
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or like God has his own planet or some shit like that. Okay,
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wait, so you die, Yeah, you go to heaven and if
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you're the man, you get your own planet based on the number of wives
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you have or something, right, allegedly, so you get your own tricked
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out planet with everything you want, which is probably more hoes. Oh,
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totally, lots of homes. Yeah, do whatever you want. The wives
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you married on Earth get to go up to this planet too. They don't
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have any ownership though, of course, they don't have their own palace,
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they don't have their own hose. Yeah, they're still your hoe. I
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would imagine. Maybe they're an exalted ho. Yeah, slightly deified ho.
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Yeah, they're more exalted than if you were in a monogamous marriage. And
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so you get to move into the celestial bourbon neighborhood of Jesus. Yeah.
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So it's not like you're living with Jesus on the same planet, or that
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Jesus is living in your heart. Jesus is like two doors down on his
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own planet of course, with his own hose. I don't want to be
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blossoms. Maybe he does, he's Jesus, and so can you go and
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visit Jesus planet? I don't think so. Really, Yeah, like you're
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all in, just like the celestial Kingdom of Heaven. Stay on your fucking
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planet. I gave you everything, I sacrifice everything for you. I would
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clusified on across. Yeah, let me have my planet all you Mormons,
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Yes, stay on your planets. Yeah, with all your wives and your
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homes and stuff. Yeah. So okay, celestial kingdom. Yeah, not
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weird if you're a dude. That's kicking a Mormon dude. I mean,
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yeah, of course they would be. Of course they would. Still don't
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get why the wives would be, though they try to talk about it here,
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just as it's an article of their faith and it was written into their
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faith by Joseph Smith, because it wasn't Jesus. Jesus was not talking about
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having multiple wives, but I guess Joseph Smith did. And because Joseph Smith
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did, that is an article of their faith. And that is why the
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women are okay to have just one man, but multiple wives. But never
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would they ever consider having multiple husbands because Joseph Smith never said they could.
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Well, and wouldn't that be exhausting though, like fucking Janelle even says like
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that would be too much work. I feel like that would be ridiculous.
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To have too many husbands. Like all these husbands, I'm going to compare
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and contrast whether I would like to share one man that I really love with
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four bitches or for me to have that man plus other men and not have
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to share. I gotta be honest with you. I'd give them multiple men.
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Oh my god. Yes, they'd be working on my house, working
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on my car. They'd all be working the lay financially supporting me. I
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could do whatever the fuck I wanted to see. That would be lit.
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Yeah, Oh that would be baller if I did have a bunch of men
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in just provide him for me so I don't have to do nothing and it's
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just one womb. Oh yeah, just you having the children that you want
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to have. So you're never going to have twenty one children. I don't
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think that's true. And you can only have a couple of kids maybe,
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but yeah, four dudes financially supporting you so that you can take cruises,
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you can go on trips, you can go. That would be a great
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ingle partying girl. Come up whatever. Yeah, you should tell your husband,
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hey, let's get a brother husband that would not go over to give
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him any sugar. You wouldn't have to give him the cookie. Oh the
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new men, Yeah, you wouldn't have to. God, well, what
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would incentivize them to There are men that stuff. Maybe he wants to just
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put your hair or something and pay my hair. Yeah, just just um
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adore me. Yeah, I mean I can see it, just fat.
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I feel like it's realistic. Actually, I mean yeah, that I wouldn't
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have to give him the cookie. I wouldn't have to really do anything,
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but they would have to have jobs and support me and my current husband.
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Yeah, just because they adore me. Of course. I feel like if
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you get a do with a foot fetish, where like you're just like putting
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your feet on him and he doesn't, he just gets off on that.
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I feel like your husband. I feel like I could sit down right now.
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Yeah, I could maybe go into a meditation and see something like a
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white salamander, and I could like begin to download an entire religion where I
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get to be the center of it, to have multiple husbands supporting me,
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and then also right in some additional scriptures for my bitches. Yea, so
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y'all can have some multiple men to supporting you. Sounds like a great religious
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movement. Let's start it right, now sounds about as arbitrary, is what
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happened with Joseph Smith. I don't mean to be a hater. I don't
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know if we've got Mormons out there listening, but and I I'm just saying,
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I feel like Mormonism when you get into it and you look at what's
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really being taught white salamanders and whatnot, colb and whatnot, I feel like
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it's not stud I mean, what's separating that from scientology? Right, That's
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what I'm saying. And this episode, they kept referring to themselves as Christians,
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and I was looking at you. I'm like, they're not Christians,
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and You're like, yeah, they are. They believe in Jesus. I'm
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just a different kind of Christian, a special flavor of Christian. There's many
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Christians, but Christianity is really fucking crazy too. All religions are. I
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mean really, if you look it down and the nitty gritty of them all,
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yes, they all have some weird stuff in Yeah. I mean it's
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not like Mormons are more crazy. It's that all of religion is crazy.
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And in my opinion, if I may just philosophize for a moment, I
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feel like all religion is just man's attempt to approximate via mythology, their connection
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to the divine, and because that divine is ineffable and really unknowable to be
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human. Like, we can't tell you what God looks like, right,
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We can't say that. We can make stories, though, but what we
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think he ought to look like, what she ought to look like. And
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then we can pass those stories down as law. And we can also ring
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those stories so that the white male gets the predominant benefit of that religion.
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And we can also set up different kinds of ruled and regulations to keep people
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subjugated through fear, especially women, especially women. I was watching something recently
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where they were talking about the nature of man, and it's funny because for
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most of my life I have believed that man is inherently good, like human
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inherently good. Like if there's somebody who sees you suffering on the side of
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the road, like the story of the good Samaritan, right, that person
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is more than likely to stop and help you. Like I've always had that
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view of the world. But then when you see some of the stuff happening
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in the world, like there was this Toronto subway incident where this guy is
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fighting with another guy on the subway. The guy starts straight up stabbing him.
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The guy gets up and runs through the subway. So he's running through
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all of these different train cars and people are just getting out of the way.
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Wow, nobody is doing anything. And the guy gets stabbed multiple times.
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And I'm like Jesus Christ, if I was there, I would probably
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feel like I would need to do something me too, even though I'm a
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tiny little woman that is not very struck, right, I would feel the
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need to do something. I feel like that's instinctive. And that's why I've
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always thought, well, if that's my instinct, it must be everybody's instinct.
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But I actually think, I actually think that that's not true. I
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think that I'm not sure everybody's by nature good. I don't think by nature
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everybody's good. And I mean especially now in these day and ages, when
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we have just like fear and propaganda, just like shove down our throats constantly
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the internet. Try to do something, Yeah, you get blamed for trying
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to do something exactly. Yeah, so I help somebody. We live in
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upside down world right now, so it's a little bit different. People are
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scared yea, to do the right thing. Yeah, but it's just I
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think the nature of man not to like get too crazy raccoons. I just
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think is the nature of man to like create systems to glorify themselves, yeah,
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talk of themselves, and then to subjugate others. And I think Mormonism
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is a sham, dude. I think Mormonism is a sham. Yeah,
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especially this polygamist branch that they're in right now that tells them that this is
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a good thing to be in. And I mean, I guess there's benefits,
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Like I guess there's benefits for the sister wives for childcare and stuff like
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that. And if the man is providing for you, then hey, shit,
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yeah, but Cody's not working. He's not at all. So it's
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like it's just Jannelle, it's just Janelle and the TLC checks, it's just
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the family pot that they're benefiting from. Yeah. Maybe in some plural marriages
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we have the man working and providing for all of the women and the women
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are sharing with healthcare and taking care of the men, and maybe that works.
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But I just don't really see how this is fair spiritually, financially and
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physically for women and I'm like, you go to great lengths to try and
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justify it. Oh for sure. Well, in the show My Five Wives
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on Discovery Plus, that guy provides for all five of his wives, right,
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Like none of them do anything. He just provides all of the money
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pretty much. But they have like a different system where they all have like
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like kind of like a hotel like house where each one has their own like
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little sweet and everything, but it's one giant fucking house that they all live
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in together, right, contrast to the Browns that are all in their own
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separate houses and luxury Las Vegas. Right, And haven't there been people in
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polygamy who have spoken out and said Cody's not doing it right? Yea,
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like he's not being fair, like he's not actually practicing polygamy in the right
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way. Well, yeah, and for the right reasons because he got into
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it late in life too, because of his dad, because his dad wanted
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to bang Janelle's mom. And okay, sidebar, what so how old is
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his dad at this time? Because so Cody's twenty years old, he's often
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his mission. So his dad's went forty or fifty, Yeah, Janelle's mom's
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forty or fifties. So she's not like some hot beautiful you were hot in
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your forties, apple bottomed jeans with the boots. Maybe she was. Maybe
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she was. We saw her later though, didn't we up at the ranch?
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Yeah, but like forty years later, she's older but is hemily compelled
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by lust. I think so he's not compelled by his faith. He wants.
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You think he just wants to bang Janelle's mom. I think so.
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Back then, Yeah, I think that's why he converted. He wanted because
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he had some kind of like sensual sexy love affair with Janelle's mom, and
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he wanted to like justify the cheating. Sancho was a dash Mormon style.
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I like to me, it's like when you convert so late in life,
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in your fifties or whatever, it's probably for the faith. I don't know,
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because I don't know. I don't I don't think it was for the
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faith. And then I think when Cody saw his dad doing that, and
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his dad was like, yeah, that's kind of a sweet deal, Cody's
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like, shit, Okay, I'm on convert too, thanks. Daddy put
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these women to work, and I'm sure Cody did it also to get his
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daddy's approval because I think his dad don't mind. He always needs the bro's
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approval. Oh my god, we're getting ahead of ourselves. We got to
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get into this episode of Sister Wives season three, episode nine, entitled college
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Bound Browns. The Browns are heading over to Boston, honey, because if
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you recall a couple of episodes, to go to three episodes ago, we
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had that mousey little girl, Danielle Yes travel from Harvard, I guess to
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come visit the Browns and try to experience polygamy. Yeah, and get to
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know them more. That's right. She invited them back to her university to
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do some kind of a panel discussion. And here we are about to travel
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to Boston. We're taking the four oldest children. We're also going to get
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a tour of a couple of colleges, so big stuff in the plans.
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I mean, I get why the kids had to go with them, you
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know, because they were going to answer some more questions from the perspective of
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the kids. But the whole college touring thing, I'm like, these kids
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aren't going to go to these utter but like I, nobody can get into
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Harvard, nobody can get in toughs. Like it's like, why are you
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touring these colleges. I never even went in toward universities, Like I went
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to college and when I got my associate's degree, but I don't I never
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went to like tour or anything at the time that I was in Hawaii,
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which was moons and moons and moons ago. Like the big thing in Hawaii
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isn't like where you went to college. It's where you went to high school.
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Really, and so the yeah, the way we communicated with each other
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when we met is like where'd you grad from? Like school did you go
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to? But we didn't mean your college, I mean your high school.
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So that was the big deal. And nobody really ever was that I knew
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of encouraged to go to college. I certainly wasn't. I wasn't expected to
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go to college. Therefore I did not go to college. It was not
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a big emphasis really, not even for any but nobody you knew, like
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went to college. Is there even a there's a college in Hawaii. University
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of Hawaii. Is that the only one. They used to be called the
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Rainbows, which you would love, but then it was associated with the lazo
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and the gaze and everything, and so they changed it to the Warriors.
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That's lame. Yeah, they couldn't stick with the Bows, which was better.
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Wow. Yeah, there's a university there, but there just wasn't a
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huge academic um mindset. Huh. But you're so smart though. I know
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that's because there's a past life that activated within me or something I swart of
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God. I I sort of got because like when I was eighteen and nineteen,
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and if you had met me, then, first of all, you
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would not have recognized me, because when I'm so much older. Yeah,
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And second I was illiterate sounding Really I spoke in such broken English that I
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mean you would not as a howly person, as a person from the mainland,
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if you will, you would not have understood me. I was one
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hundred percent local what I was born and raised there. My grandfather is from
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there, so like I was a part of that culture, and so I
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had to go out of my way to learn how to speak. And something
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happened. It was weird. I started reading books, of course, you
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know, in my teens, but between the years eighteen and twenty, something
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happened with my brain. And I don't think it was just reading romance novels
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when I was reading, but I just started noticing. I would know words
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and they would be multisyllabic, so not just one, but like words that
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I had never consciously thought of would appear in my brain ball and I would
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use them in a sentence and I would be correct. I'd go back and
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look at in the dictionary, like what the fuck was that word? And
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it was correct. I swear to god, I was accessing like I hit
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some I'm going crazy, I hit some fucking vibration in my life. Wow,
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where I access this grid of consciousness and all of a sudden, I
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knew words and I was more intelligent. I wasn't BookSmart or anything like that,
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but I had this knowledge that I had never accessed before. That's cool.
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In my twenties and my thirties, squirrel, I mean I would sit
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down with therapists and analysts because I was fucked up. Yeah, almost all
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of them would say to me, you have an astounding vocabulary. I mean,
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you really do. And when I met you and met everybody else in
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your family and everything, I was surprised by all the words you guys know,
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because I feel like I'm illiterate when I talk. I don't know big
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words. I don't know vocabulary very well. Like I'm good, I'm street
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smart. I'm kind of book smart in terms of science and math and stuff.
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I was always good at that shit. But when it came to like
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english and reading, I don't read. I don't know big words. That's
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not true. Everything that follows I am defines who you are, So you
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need to change how you language. Girls. Listen, I know you're preaching
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to meet, you're preaching book I know, but I'm just saying, very
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intelligent. You guys know a lot of big words. Though you know a
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lot of big words. I do. But I'm telling you right now,
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I'm operating at forty percent of what I was in my twenties and thirties.
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Well, it's still on. God. I just was very, very intelligent,
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and it was very effortless for me. And so now at my like
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older age, Oh, I just want to find the right pill, the
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right exercise, the right way of eating, so I can unlock the way
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that I used to think and I used to speak. Man, how did
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we get here? I don't know, but I mean to make a correlation.
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The Browns in comparison are dumb. Well, Logan's gotten some good he
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does. He's wholesome, and he dreams of going to someplace like Harvard,
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but he knows he's going to end up community college, which, by the
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way, you should do anyway, you should do a community college. That's
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what I did. I do my associates degree and debt free. Do not
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be taking out loans, Oh my god. No, some people are taking
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out loans for like fifty thousand dollars seven five thousand dollars a year to go
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to college for a liberal arts degree. Literally never going to be able to
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you. My sister went to college fifteen years ago and is still paying off
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her undergraduate degree. She only got a degree in history, and she flunked
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one of the years because she was drunk partying in France for a year.
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And she's got like eighty thousand dollars in debt still that she's still fucking paying
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off. I'm like, dude, you can't declare that debt in bankruptcy.
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You can defer it from time to time, but you're going to have to
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pay that debt for the rest of your life. I wonder what happens if
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you die? Do they what do they do? They'll take it out of
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your estate if you have one. I think they do. I don't know
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that they can pass it on in your family. I believe that against a
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lot, but that shit follows you for the rest of your life for what
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For what kind of a degree? I think people should be learning the trades.
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I agree we need more people in the trades. So Logan, though,
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understands that they just don't have the money. Yeah, and also Tufts
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and Harvard is very far away from the family, and so he's going to
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probably end up going to a community college. And we know Hunter went to
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the Air Force Academy, Yeah, which is awesome, badass. But most
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of those kids, and even Janelle's talking about it, like most of these
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kids are, They're gonna have to figure it out. Because I had to
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figure it out. I had to work. I had to get extra jobs.
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I had to get scholarships. And if I couldn't do that, then
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I couldn't go to school based. I mean, nothing in life is free.
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You kind of have to work for your shit. Yeah, looking at
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you, Delea, I'm just kidding. Oh we're about to fight? Are
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we about to do? We're about to fight? No, But like my
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second husband, because of course I've been married a million times. My second
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husband had some older kids when I married him. Yeah, they ended up
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going to college, but he paid their entire four year degree, both of
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them. That's wild. So they got to graduate with no debt. His
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eldest child went right into an internship at like an oil company, started making
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big money. So it's just like some people have a lot of privilege.
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I think most people do not. I've had a lot of opportunity to go
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back and go to college, but I'm just not interested. I'm not either.
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I wanted to go back to school after I got my associates degree.
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I was going to take a year off because I was like, oh God,
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I'm so tired of this shit. And I never went back. And
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that was like seven years ago. I got my Associates and I'm like,
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I don't think I'm even interested in getting a degree in anything, because AI
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is just going to replace everything probably, to be honest, AI can't replace
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your passion. It can't replace creativity. And when I've been the most success
22:30
it's when I've started my own business. Yeah, I've indulged my passion.
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I talked about and taught what I love, and when I did that,
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people always came to me. Honey, I believe the manifestation in this way,
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and I made lots and lots of money. So that's how I think
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we should train up our youth to be entrepreneurs, to know how to balance
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a checkbook, to learn a trade. If you want to go to school,
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learn a fucking trade and be useful, be a productive citizen in this
22:55
world. Certainly get an education. I think that's wonderful. But for a
22:59
purpose for use Yeah, not dance studies, snow, not just a mass
23:03
knowledge, And like what are you going to do with that knowledge? Though?
23:04
Exactly how are you going to use it? Right? It's just gonna
23:07
rode away in your brain because like half the ship that I learned in college,
23:11
I'm like, I don't even remember or care about because it wasn't relevant
23:15
to real life. I was surprised actually listening to the Browns here in this
23:18
episode, because they really did seem to put an emphasis on wanting their kids
23:22
to get that education. Yeah, and I can understand it because none of
23:27
the adults have gone to college, so none of them got to have that
23:32
experience, and so they look highly on college. And that's how I grew
23:34
up too, Like nobody and my family went to college. Nobody even graduated
23:40
high school in my family. So I was always pushed go to college,
23:44
be a fucking doctor or some shit, or a neuroscientist or whatever. I
23:47
had crazy goals when I was like nineteen, I wanted to be a neuroscientist.
23:52
And then I was like, oh, I don't have to go to
23:52
school, and that I didn't want to do that, right, But that's
23:59
the mentality when you grew up with parents who never went to school. But
24:02
did your parents go to college? My father went to the University of Oregon.
24:07
Oh hey, yeah, he went to the University of Oregon and he
24:10
dropped out one semester from graduation. He studied archaeology and he actually went on
24:15
some archaeological digs. But that's another thing like, well, what are you
24:18
going to do with that, dad? I mean, really, what you
24:19
do with that dad? But he didn't finish college. Wow, my mom
24:23
did not go to university. No, And neither of them ever talked to
24:26
me about it, Like they never started saying, hey, you want to
24:30
start thinking about colleges, we want to look at scholarships, you want to
24:33
look at extracurriculars. Like, none of those conversations happened at interesting we just
24:37
went to the beach. Wow. It was always shoved down my throat.
24:41
Wow. Okay, yeah, it was always like an expectation that I had
24:45
to go to college and be super smart and great at it. Well you
24:48
are. You are super smart. Thanks, you know, irrespective of what
24:52
you just said about yourself, which I want to just challenge you to just
24:55
start rewarding your sentences. Yeah, it's affirmative and validating because that is what
24:59
you will become. But I do want to talk about the Browns again,
25:03
because they make it to Boston. Yeah, they check into what looks like
25:07
a double tree. It's one of those weird Odell's, like a big flowers
25:10
open part and those plants hanging from each of the levels. And I don't
25:15
know if that's a double tree, but I don't. Didn't we stay at
25:18
a place like that when we were in Phoenix, Yeah, you totally did.
25:22
I didn't like it at all, No you did. It had a
25:23
huge, fucking like aquatic fucking plants everywhere in the middle of the middle,
25:30
and you're like, this is booty I am, so you are like,
25:34
get me to the Four Seasons. Anyway, So they check into the hotel
25:40
and they're all on the same floor, and Cody's making kind of a big
25:44
production about getting his own key from each room because he has to be able
25:48
to walk in and mingle with his wife because I'm their husband. I get
25:52
to, Yeah, I get to. And I wondered what room he slept
25:55
in? Yeah, I wonder, do you. Yeah, we'll try and
25:59
put your fa I was gonna say, try and put your fakes like it
26:02
was Christine, but it wasn't. Ended up over there with rob and she's
26:07
heavy with child. I mean, she needs a man to protect her and
26:10
take her everywhere. So well, and the other three wives brought a child,
26:14
so each one of them had to share a room with their child.
26:18
So of course naturally he got to stab probably I'm not sure. Next,
26:25
they meet up with Danielle and some of her college students. They take him
26:30
out to dinner at some weird fire and ice restaurant play in Boston, some
26:34
fusion restaurant probably. They start having conversations and the kids are asking some questions.
26:41
And what I found interesting actually before we even got to Boston or to
26:45
this dinner, was Cody kind of preoccupied with being judged and worried about what
26:52
people were going to say to them. And they kind of were making up
26:56
the story about what the audience was going to ask and think of them before
27:00
they even got there, which kind of lends itself to their pre victimization of
27:04
themselves before they ever encounter an experience. Yeah, they were already on the
27:10
defense. And Cody was like super worried about being called out for being a
27:14
misogynist and a terrible person and why would you subjugate your wives and children to
27:19
be like this, And it's like, calm down, buddy, Yeah,
27:22
Like it's not like Utah. Like I understand that you might have some fear
27:27
with the Utah Mormans because they do not like polygamists there and it's illegal there,
27:32
So I get it. But it's Boston, right, I mean there's
27:36
people there with like piercings and craziness and super diverse. It's super diverse,
27:41
So it doesn't it's not that big of a deal. I think he's probably
27:45
worried most of all about the Warren Jeff's thing, because, as we discussed
27:48
last week, this is in the cultural zeitgeist. Everybody knows about it.
27:53
And I guess at the time of this filming when they go to Boston,
27:57
Warren Jeffs has just been convicted. Yeah, so he's going to jail,
28:02
and so Cody understands that he's going to be loosely associated or heavily associated with
28:07
Warren Jeffs. And again, I say for good reason. I'm not saying
28:11
they're abusive at all, but they gets the fruit from the poisonous tree.
28:15
Right, this is and you say in this episode, this is a tenet
28:18
of your faith that has ultimately been bastardized and distorted ending up with Warren Jeffs.
28:26
But you're related to them, Yeah, I mean that's your weird,
28:27
fucking perverted uncle. They're part of your religion, whether you like to admit
28:32
it or not. I know you're aub I know you're different than a filthy
28:34
yes, but it's still the same thing. Yeah, And I'm sure he's
28:37
concerned people are going to ask about Warren Jeffs because it's in their consciousness.
28:41
Yeah, and he's going to have to explain it away. And you can
28:44
see when they're on the panel. I hate to skip ahead, but I'm
28:47
doing it anyway. When they're on the panel, like Robin really gets emotional
28:51
and starts crying about Warren Jeffs and she thinks he should rotten hell, or
28:55
as the Britney Cartwright from Vounder Rule says, rotten Hey, all should rotten
29:00
high because of all the abuse he's done to women, children and men.
29:06
But like they're going out of their way in a dramatic way to separate themselves.
29:10
Super dramatic. But I mean there's a chord you cannot break if you
29:14
ask me, of course. But I mean Cody is a narcissistic type of
29:18
person, so it's all about his image and how he is perceived by the
29:22
general public. I mean, you could see his smile on that panel,
29:26
like he was kind of love and the fame he was love and seeing his
29:30
photo on there. Oh yeah, he loves it. He's bathing in it
29:33
before they even get to the panel. Christine's like, I'm just envisioning they're
29:37
all going to be a bunch of feminists, I know, and they're just
29:42
why we as women would make these choices. But I'm like, I think
29:45
a real feminist would be okay with you making an autonomous choice for yourself,
29:52
using your own agency. Like, if you really love it, then I
29:55
think another feminist will love it for you. They might think this isn't the
29:59
greatest example, sure for other women and young girls, but like, I
30:03
still think you have the right to do it. But she maybe obviously doesn't
30:07
like feminists. Yeah, she's triggered by that, well, because I mean
30:11
I feel like a lot of feminists would look at this kind of situation and
30:15
be like, well, this is upholding the patriarchy and everything. I mean,
30:18
it kinda is a little bit. I mean, it's at the subject
30:21
of a man, like the man is the only one that gets to benefit
30:25
from multiple wives. Like, yeah, the wives benefit kind of, but
30:29
they still have They're the ones that have to deal with the jealousy. They're
30:30
the ones that have to deal with the insecurity. They're the ones that have
30:33
to share the husband, right, so the husband's not really sacrificing anything.
30:37
Well, Cody's not. I don't think Cody's benefiting. But I mean it's
30:41
like the feminists who call out sex workers and strippers and say you're devaluing women,
30:48
And I'm like, well, no, they're doing what they want to
30:48
do if they really want to do it, unless they are doing it because
30:52
they're oppressed into doing it, of course. But anyway, so Christine's worried
30:55
about feminists. Everybody's worried about the judgment. When they go out to dinner
31:00
at the fire and Ice place, there's a lot of different kinds of questions.
31:03
Somebody asks them what they think about alternative lifestyles because they have the Browns
31:08
have an alternative lifestyle, So how do they feel about, for example,
31:14
gay and homosexual relationships and or something like polyandry, which is one woman and
31:19
multiple men. Yeah, and I mean essentially all of the wives and Cody
31:26
just say, well, whatever our kids choose to do, or whatever anyone
31:30
chooses to do, who are we to judge? Which I thought it was
31:33
a pretty based take at least, because you know, Christine said it from
31:37
the perspective of, like why would we judge anybody else's lifestyle if it's harmless
31:44
when we are the ones that are also facing judgment for how we live our
31:48
lifestyle, Like, we're obviously not a normal monogamous, straight relationship. It's
31:53
a little bit different, so we shouldn't judge. I'm like, oh,
31:56
that's cool. Yeah, But Cody did kind of go out of his way
32:00
to say, you know, there are relationships and lifestyles that don't match up
32:04
with my religion that I don't necessarily agree with, but I'm always going to
32:07
respect your right to have that relationship. So I'm thinking that means gay.
32:12
Yeah, I'm thinking that means homosexual. And I'm thinking that means polyandry because
32:15
when he's on the panel later, somebody asks the question that is inevitable,
32:20
which is, well, how do you feel about one woman having multiple husbands?
32:24
And this idea continues to really fucking offend him. It does, Yeah,
32:30
And I wonder why it offends him because that would mean that his wives.
32:35
Maybe I'm speaking from a religious perspective of like, maybe his wives would
32:39
be unpure because they are. A wife would be unpure because she's sharing herself
32:45
with multiple men, as opposed to the man who's supposed to spread their seed.
32:47
Right, We've talked about that before on this pod, Like that's the
32:52
religious connotation, is that men are supposed to spread their seed and the women
32:55
are supposed to raise the babies and stay at home. But I want or
33:00
why it offends him. Maybe because he's a little bitch baby, maybe,
33:02
but I think he has to imagine it. Maybe so he has to imagine
33:07
his own wives in a predicament where they're sharing their body with other men.
33:12
And I just feel like it shines such a distinct light on his hypocrisy and
33:16
of course the hypocrisy of his religion that they won't allow the women to have
33:21
the same type of arrangement. There's really no excuse for that other than what
33:25
they always fall back on, which is, well, it's a tenet of
33:28
our faith, and Joseph Smith didn't say that we could, and so we
33:31
don't we do what Joseph Smith said that we have to do. Right.
33:35
Well, I mean that would make sense if Cody doesn't like to imagine it,
33:38
because if we fast forward to season seventeen when he's talking about Christine leaving
33:43
him and how his biggest qualm with that is her leaving to Utah or something
33:47
and getting with another man and like having another relationship with another man. And
33:52
then we see posts on Instagram of Christine flaunting her new relationship with her big
33:58
dick husband or fiance David. Maybe Cody's like super insecure about that, even
34:04
though he doesn't want to touch Christine, even though he doesn't want to have
34:07
that relationship with some of these wives, right, but he wants to possess
34:10
a first refusal, like he wants the rights to it. He just doesn't
34:14
want to access those rights or use those rights. It's that probably, but
34:20
I think he was. He also said in season seventeen that he didn't want
34:23
another man coming in and taking his money, Yeah, which isn't his money.
34:28
It's not as much as his wives money predominantly. I mean, the
34:31
majority of that money belongs to the wives. Yeah, and he's worried about
34:35
another man coming in and getting part of that. Yeah, So that's that's
34:38
what made him think that too, I think, right. Yeah, probably,
34:42
So back at the dinner, somebody asked the kids whether they would consider
34:47
also going into polygamy, and this is where Leon says, yes, Yeah,
34:53
Leon's just like I envisioned that for my life, and that's what I'm
34:58
going to do. I go, oh, man, the stark difference.
35:00
I know, it's so funny to watch that. And now, yeah,
35:05
the crazy change. And then I think it was Aspen who said, Mmm,
35:08
I don't think so. I'll figure it out. But I'm only sixteen.
35:13
I don't think so. I don't know if I want that. But
35:15
Aspen has referenced a couple of times that she doesn't want to do it because
35:19
of the level of difficulty. Yeah, because of how hard it actually is.
35:22
And again I think this is because she witnesses firsthand Christine really having to
35:28
struggle in her marriage to Cody, and she knows as the eldest what Christine
35:32
has had to go through, especially the jealousy, yeah, the neglect,
35:36
which is only going to get worse in the seasons to come, So Aspen
35:39
knows it. Do you think the difficulties that Aspen is referring to are about
35:44
the difficulties with Robin and not the difficulties of all of the time that she's
35:49
been alive, like with her mom being a plural marriage, because Christine,
35:52
up until Robin came in to the family, has always said they've had a
35:57
blissful, great marriage, and she was the last wife. She loved being
36:00
the last wife. It was great. And now that Robin's in the picture,
36:05
Like, is that the difficulties? I don't think so, because in
36:07
later seasons we learn that Christine and Mary had a lot of problems. Janelle
36:13
and Mary had a lot of problems. I think there were pre existing issues
36:16
with the matriarchs, and that would probably regard time or money or access and
36:24
kind of just trying to figure it out. So I don't think it's been
36:27
bliss well, no, I think that Aspen again, being the eldest,
36:30
has probably seen all of that. That's what I think. I don't know,
36:34
though, what do I know. I wasn't there, I mean true,
36:36
all right, after this dinner, we get to the next day and
36:38
the family is going to the Plymouth Plantation, which is a seventeenth century colonial
36:45
village where everybody is role playing people who lived in a village like that,
36:50
and the village itself is true to seventeenth century and how they lived back in
36:53
the day, and everybody thought this was interesting. What did you think about
36:58
this? I mean, it was kind of boring. It was kind of
37:00
interesting in terms of like the history and stuff like it would be kind of
37:04
cool to see like a replica of it. But then when I heard that
37:06
there's like people role playing like these Pilgrims and stuff, I'm like, oh,
37:10
that's gringe. In my opinion, it's kind of grangey. But then
37:15
they're like going around and like talking to these various play actors and stuff,
37:19
and Cody is talking about how Joseph Smith, their prophet, has ties to
37:28
the Pilgrims, Elizabeth how specifically, Yeah, someone named Elizabeth Howland who was
37:31
Joseph Smith's great great grandmother. Yes, And so Cody being Cody, is
37:38
like, oh, my religion has root, it has ancient roots, it
37:43
has roots to I'm like, okay, not really modern actually, I mean
37:49
very modern actually. And so they're trying to find the play actor that's Elizabeth
37:53
Howland in this Plymouth village village or something, and they do and she's role
38:00
playing, and he has a spirit that comes over him. He understands this
38:07
is just an actress playing a role, and this actress probably really doesn't even
38:10
know her own connection or the person's own connection to Joseph Smith, but Cody
38:19
does, and he just feels like he's walking. What he says, I
38:21
feel like I'm walking on holy ground, Like he gets a picture with this
38:24
actress. It's so weird. Yeah, he feels like he's actually standing next
38:29
to a living ancestor of Mormonism. And he's just like overtaken. What was
38:35
this fake? Like was his whole reaction to this fake? Because I'm in
38:38
I can understand feeling like it's on sacred ground if you were like actually in
38:43
a place that was there in the seventeenth century. But like, this is
38:47
all replicas. This is all fake stuff. These buildings are built. Are
38:52
you sure, likeness, Yes, that's what they said. They weren't like
38:55
from there that. Yeah, so it's like not really real. I think
39:01
it's real for him, Like I think he's having a sentimental moment where he's
39:06
meeting a character that's supposed to be this very important person in his religion or
39:10
connected to the most important person in his religion. So I mean, I
39:14
guess he's feeling emotional about it. He's a very sensitive person. Yeah,
39:16
he's weird, very emotional person. But that character, Elizabeth Holland's character was
39:22
with another woman and she's talking about the clothing that the brown should be wearing
39:29
to be keeping the seventeenth century, something about wearing something all the head to
39:34
protect the brain, to protect the brain, and Cody makes a comment saying
39:38
something like, yeah, I'm pretty slow to anger because you know, I
39:43
have this big family. Christine's like, yes, he has four wives,
39:46
this is our family. And then the character says something like, oh,
39:51
so you're not Christian in a Puritanical way, which is what a Puritan would
39:55
think, of course, and then Christine's like, well, no, actually,
39:59
we are Christian. She gets triggered. She totally gets triggered. She
40:01
gets flippant, like what Janelle and Cody said on the couch, and so
40:07
they're all talking to her like, Christine, you kind of came off a
40:08
little hard, right, I mean to this play actor who's playing a Puritan
40:14
point of view. Right. She's like, well, I was offended by
40:16
that because we are Christians, okay. And this is when I was asking
40:21
it. I was like, are they Christians? Right? And I say
40:23
they are Christians. They believes Christ of latter Day saying Jesus Christ. Yeah,
40:29
I mean, but are they Christians like Jehovah's witnesses or Christians because they
40:35
believe Jovah's witnesses believe in Jesus Christ, did they? I don't know nothing
40:38
eut those Yes, they believe in Jesus Christ. I mean Christians, like
40:43
evangelical Christians don't consider Catholics to be Christians. That's true. Yeah, so,
40:47
I mean, like all the Christians don't acknowledge the other Christians, but
40:51
they're all under the banner of Christianity. So yes, I think she's right.
40:53
They're Christians. They're just not the same kind of Christian as maybe most
40:58
Christians, like the mainstream maybe, but there's so many Mormons on the planet.
41:01
Jesus, maryan Joseph, who's to say for real? I think Joseph
41:06
Smith taught that Jesus came to America really, yes, like came all the
41:12
way yeah, like and like talked to the Native Americans then called Indians.
41:16
Yeah how did he travel? I'll look, I'm talking out of my ass.
41:19
You better talk, you better ask ethel and come back next week.
41:23
I believe the Mormons believe that Jesus Christos came to America and spoke to the
41:32
Native Americans, maybe even gave them some good scriptures and stuff. I think
41:37
also that they believe there were elephants in North America. But then I told
41:43
my husband that and he's like, I think there were so now I'm getting
41:45
crazy, but maybe something but that there were packagerms and stuff in North America
41:52
along with Jesus Christ Our Lord and save here. Oh my god. Wow,
41:58
there's a lot of kookie cookie things in these religions, Beatrice. I
42:02
love it. I mean, I think it's fast. I love learning about
42:06
all of this stuff. Yeah, because there's so many synchronicities and all in
42:08
some of them. But then there's so many crazy things, like with scientology,
42:13
how can you believe that with your whole body and your butt? Did
42:17
you hear Leah Remini Remini talking about when she finally got to the highest level
42:22
in scientology where she gets to learn what it's all about. Yes, And
42:25
they bring the book into the room and it's all the sacred ceremony. They
42:30
open up the scientology book and she reads it and she's like, are you
42:32
fucking kidding me? It's all a bunch of like gobbledegook, the zeno of
42:37
it all, like I'm infested with alien parasites wild Thetan's I think they're called.
42:46
And she like, read the science fiction because he was a science fiction
42:51
writer. Yes, read the science fiction of it all. And she's like,
42:53
oh my god, I've been in this religion for decades. I've paid
42:58
all of this money because the more you advance in the religion, the more
43:01
you pay. Yeah, and this is what this shit is. It's a
43:05
cult. Heads up, that's what all the shit is. Oh, it's
43:07
all dumb like that. It's all crazy. And I believe in God,
43:10
yeah, And I would say I'm a spiritual person, but I can tell
43:14
you, after many moons on the planet that the more I know about God
43:21
or the divine, the less I know anything. Yeah, the less I
43:24
could ever tell anybody with authority what it is. Right, I couldn't tell
43:28
you anything. Yeah, take some mushrooms and find out for yourself, baby
43:30
facts. There you go. All right, after the Plymouth Village, which
43:35
was weird, we go to the college tour and the kids get to say
43:39
Tufts and halved and had packed the cat have it yead And we have the
43:45
discussion about college and whether we're going to go and the kids, the kids
43:51
understand they don't have the privilege that most kids do, and so they're going
43:53
to have to make it work. They're gonna have to pull themselves up by
43:57
their own bootstraps to get to call. And again, I wonder where did
44:01
Logan go to college and did he graduate and what does he do? Didn't
44:05
you go to college and Utah? I'm feeling he's planning to go to un
44:09
LVS. So maybe he did for a while and then he went back.
44:14
I'm not sure. I thought he ended up back in Utah, but I
44:15
think he makes good money. And now because he's like private on social media
44:21
and everything, like you don't know nothing really, yeah, like he doesn't
44:23
approve anybody or he's like super quiet. Well, if there's a raccoon out
44:28
there that knows what's up with Logan, just like the general stuff, I'm
44:31
curious to see what he does. I know he's married, yeah, damn
44:35
us on Instagram and let us know. I want to know what's going on
44:37
all. Right, after we do the little tour of Harvard and whatnot,
44:44
we get to the panel discussion. Yes, a lot of people coming out
44:47
to see these sister wives. There were a lot of people there. Well,
44:51
this is the third season that it's on TLC, so probably a lot
44:54
of people have heard about the Browns. Yeah, and they're coming to listen
44:59
to the Browns. And again, Cody's a little afraid of the judgment and
45:02
what's going to be asked, and ahead of time, Robin's yapping on about,
45:07
well, my sexuality is not up for discussion, as if anybody was
45:10
going to ask about that. Nobody was going to ask about that at all.
45:14
It's very sacred to us and it's disrespectful to ask us that. And
45:19
I'm like, well, if you're going to be on a panel, you
45:22
need to be prepared. Four wives who are married too, I e fucking
45:25
one guy. I mean, people are going to be curious about stuff.
45:28
They're going to ask you some risky questions maybe, And I wonder if they
45:31
did and TLC just edited some of those out. I wonder if Cody was
45:35
curating some of these questions that were allowed, because if he's been doing this
45:40
on the tell Alls in season seventeen and everything, I wonder if him and
45:45
maybe Robin we're curating some of this shit that was being able to be filmed.
45:51
Like I'm sure TLC filmed everything. Yeah, but Cody looked at the
45:54
film and was like, oh, don't that one. I got video approval.
45:59
I wonder at it out. I don't know, just my speculation of
46:01
the questions were pretty benign and definitely very fair. The first question was,
46:07
oh, actually, before we get to the questions, we get to Cody's
46:10
introduction where he talks about plural celestial marriage. Yes, as we discussed,
46:15
and he talks about how Mormonism came into being as a result of Joseph Smith
46:20
and a white salamander. Well, he didn't mention that salman, but I'm
46:22
gonna have to keep reminding y'all, y jaws. Joseph Smith got the revelation
46:27
from a Saliman that happened in the nineteen thirties. And when that was thirties,
46:31
excuse me, eighteen thirties. And when that was created, plural marriage,
46:36
a celestial plural marriage was a tenant of this religion yep. And then
46:40
in the eighteen nineties, Utah said no polygamy because we want to become a
46:45
state. Yep. Although they still practice polygamy, it wasn't until nineteen ten
46:50
when the religion itself said no more of this, and that's when the factions
46:53
were created, one of which I would assume is aub Yes. Although I
46:58
don't know. If aub goes all the way back to ten, I think
47:00
they'd go back into like the nineteen thirties or some shit like that. It's
47:05
old right, well, old right, And so there were factions that were
47:08
created that believed that. No. Joseph Smith said, polygamy is our divine
47:15
tenant, and so we're going to continue to do that even though you've renounced
47:17
it. Yeah. So he gives that introduction, which was very interesting,
47:22
but you and I, being the fat raccoons that we are, had already
47:24
ate that trash and talked about it. We knew about Yeah. And so
47:32
somebody asked the question about education for their kids and also what they want for
47:39
their kids in terms of them carrying on the Mormon faith. Yeah, and
47:45
they kind of just talked about it in the same way that they talked about
47:50
it at the fire and nice dinner, which is that you know, we
47:52
give our kids the choice. We don't. We obviously know that this lifestyle
47:57
that we live we were called to live, and so that's our faith,
48:00
that's our purpose in this life, but we don't want to put that on
48:04
our kids. I think Christine was the main one that was saying this,
48:07
So like, we've always made it clear that they can choose how they want
48:09
to live. Obviously, they know that we love plural marriage, we advocate
48:14
for it. But if they don't want to do it, then they don't
48:15
want to do it. That's okay. I think that's a pretty balanced perspective.
48:21
I am glad that the Browns did raise their kids that way. Yes,
48:23
Like they just gave them the option to choose, and you know that
48:28
they really did because you hear the children saying I don't want it. Ye
48:32
hear Leon saying I do want it. Yeah, Like they have their own
48:36
minds about things, and you know that that's supported by the parents, which
48:38
is very good. Yeah. The next question that is asked is essentially Cody,
48:43
like how do you do it? Like how are you able to handle
48:45
four wives? Because most men would never be able to do that. And
48:51
that's when Janelle says something like Cody is often in the doghouse. Yeah,
48:54
he's often in trouble. But she also says it's just part of their faith
49:00
to overcome the hardships, particularly of jealousy and like time away and feeling like
49:07
neglected and all of those struggles that the women go through. That's a part
49:13
of their faith to overcome, and in doing so, it's pleasing to God,
49:16
I imagine. So it's like, again, only the women have to
49:20
struggled in I mean, I guess the men struggle because they have to be
49:23
in hiding and they can't be open about their faith. But I'm just like,
49:28
so it's just the women, right, I mean, where's the struggle
49:30
for the men? Right? How is it harder for the men? I
49:32
mean, I guess he does have to please for women, I guess,
49:36
and so I guess that would be difficult, But it just seems so much
49:38
harder on the women and so much more career. This is where did you
49:44
catch? This is where Robin then takes the microphone and says that all of
49:47
the wives have to support the other wives. If they don't, they are
49:52
failing in their faith. Yeah, And I'm just like, okay, fast
49:55
forward, bitch, fast. If you're not supporting your wife, if you're
50:00
not supporting her marriage to your husband, you're failing in your faith. Ye,
50:05
So then explain Season twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen says explain, now,
50:10
explain all of it, honestly, because she doesn't support any of them.
50:15
She's just as roping it around, like she's trying to manipulate all of them
50:20
into accepting her. But she doesn't support any of them. You know,
50:22
she's talking shit about him. You know, she's like just putting little worms
50:27
and code easier to try and make him hate his wives. I think it
50:30
probably is starting as early as now. I think she's probably being way more
50:36
subtle. We've discussed how we think she's doesn't like Christine, yeah, and
50:40
that goes all the way back to the wedding dress shopping and Christine getting upset
50:45
and calling them out. Yea. But I also think she's playing Mary.
50:49
She's totally manipulating Mary. Janelle is somebody she probably can't manipulate because Janellsie is
50:53
right through her. Yeah. But from the very beginning, she hasn't been
50:57
very supportive of these wives. And even she's like, well, oh where
51:00
do I put my bills? Just right on the kitchen table, Tell me
51:04
how you're supporting these wives. She doesn't support them at all. And even
51:07
in this episode, there was a little snippet when they were all on the
51:10
couch and it was before the panel and Cody was asking the wives if they
51:15
were all like nervous about him saying anything or saying the wrong thing on the
51:20
panel, and Janelle and Christine said, yeah, we're a little nervous about
51:23
how you might talk or like how you might be presented and everything. But
51:28
Robin and Mary didn't object. And Janelle said, yeah, see, these
51:31
two were the good wives, and we're the ones that are always like defiant,
51:37
were the bad ones. So there's already a divide going on right now
51:40
where Mary and Robin are the most obedient and the most compliant, and Janelle
51:46
and Christine aren't. Yep, another question came up about polygamy and how they
51:55
handle the fact that people tend to get angry about this alternative lifestyle, and
52:00
that's when they start to talk about how the Browns are actually a great example
52:05
of real polygamy. This is a happy, functioning family. We get along,
52:09
our children are happy, they're going to be educated. You know,
52:13
we love one another. We're just like you. Yeah. But then they
52:16
draw the comparison to Warren Jeff's who again is being convicted. And this is
52:22
where Robin is sitting at the end of the panel, and she starts making
52:24
it all about herself, and she starts crying and she wishes he would rotten.
52:29
Hio, I hope he rots, and Hi, I mean I do
52:32
too. He's a piece of ship obviously, but it's just Robin with the
52:37
flare of dramatics and like, why do you got to cry all the fight
52:39
time? Right, it's so annoying. She's doing her level best to separate
52:45
them from Warren Jeff's. You know, I just wish they kind of would
52:49
have the conversation though, I know, right, I mean, yeah,
52:52
I wish they wouldn't be hyperbolic, and I wish they wouldn't be dramatic.
52:57
I wish they would say, you know what, this is how this type
53:00
of a fundamentalist faction happens. Yes, you know, they have their own
53:05
community, they are unregulated by law enforce, and this is how these abuses
53:10
can happen. We are the antithesis of this, We are the contrast of
53:15
this. This is how it works well, and this is why it doesn't.
53:17
It's like you don't have to get all emotions right something that legitimately exists
53:23
in your community, as if it doesn't, as if it's such an aberration.
53:27
Exactly. It's like with Catholic saying that Catholic priests are all great and
53:30
they don't do anything. But it's like there's going to be bad people,
53:34
and every single fucking religion there's bad people in the world. It's your religion,
53:37
and your faith is not immune to corruption and to evil. So I
53:44
don't know why you can't just have that honest conversation of like, this is
53:46
what they believe, we don't believe any of it. Like they kind of
53:50
touched on it and they're like, well, we don't believe in child broods
53:52
and we don't believe in abusing kids and women. It's like, well,
53:55
duh, obviously you don't. It's just maybe talk about why Warren Jeff's FLDS
54:01
bullshit. It was even created in the first pow it rose to power.
54:06
Yeah, how it happened? Did I ever tell you? Then? I
54:08
went to Utah, Jesus it must have been like two thousand and four,
54:13
and their friends in Utah was visiting somebody in Kannab and I was driving up
54:20
towards Salt Lake City and I went through this town called Colorado City, and
54:27
the people there at the time, I think it was called Colorado City.
54:30
I might be getting my cities mixed up. But the people at the time
54:31
were dressed like that. Really, Yes, they were dressed with the matronly
54:37
gowns. They had the funky hair. And I remember we were just pulling
54:40
in for some gas and people were looking at us. And also the men
54:45
were armed, which I mean, I'm in Texas, men are armed.
54:46
But I was just like the way people were was like, what are you
54:52
doing in my town? Get the fuck out of my town. It was
54:54
the most unwelcome vibe I had ever felt in my whole life. I think
55:00
it was Colorado City, but again I might be getting that mixed up.
55:04
Wow. Yeah, I was just like, oh, I gotta get me
55:07
out of here. I mean, that's kind of how Warren Jeff's town was
55:09
and their commune was. They had a specific town and they ran it all
55:14
and run everything like the gas stations, of schools, everything in there,
55:17
and nobody was really allowed in it. And it was a small, obscure
55:21
little town I think in like northern Arizona or some shit like that in Arizona.
55:24
Yeah, it was a yourtathern Arizona or southern Utah. Like they were
55:28
kind of getting like pushed out, you know, because they were evil.
55:30
But something to that fect I'll look it up. Really you could really really
55:35
feel it wasn't there a show on like TLC a long time ago, like
55:39
I don't know, five to ten years ago, where they were talking to
55:43
these girls that were involved in fundamentalist Mormonism and they were trying to get them
55:47
out. Yeah, And there was this one girl who was in a little
55:51
city like that and they were trying to break her out, like she had
55:53
to climb a wall, yeah and run away. Do you remember that?
55:55
Yes, I do remember that. And that was similar to the Warren Jeff's
56:00
stuff because people were not allowed to leave, like especially the women and children
56:02
were not allowed to leave. And there was one I think girl in the
56:07
Jeff's cult that like escaped and she tried to like get other girls to come
56:14
with her. And so she would like sneak in and the dead of night
56:15
to try and kidnap some of these other girls that didn't believe, but she
56:21
wanted to get them out of there. It's fucked up, And as soon
56:23
as you leave, you have to go to some sort of a halfway house
56:25
because first and foremost you don't have a proper education, you don't know how
56:30
to live in the world, like you're some kind of a Platha side how
56:32
to live in the world, and so you have to like figure out how
56:37
to get a job, and you have hopefully people that can help you to
56:39
do that. But yeah, it's like it was really terrible. God,
56:45
it's really terrible. And I hope that's not still going on, but you
56:46
know what, I kind of have a feeling that it is. It probably
56:50
is. It probably is. In hiding Warren Jeff's is gone and his particular
56:53
community is gone. Doesn't mean that these folks have stopped doing that. Of
56:57
course, there's evil people everywhere. There's people are going to be doing awful
57:00
things to other people. It's gross. It's super gross. So back to
57:05
the Browns and Boston on the panel, somebody stands up and asks the kids
57:09
about whether they're happy that they got out of Utah. Yeah, and that
57:15
they're in Vegas now and that they've gotten away from I guess the issue of
57:20
the law or whatever. Yeah, And I think it was like Maddie who
57:22
spoke up and she's like, well, I don't really like Las Vegas at
57:27
all. We all want to go back to Utah. And all the kids
57:29
reflected that sentiment of like, leaving Utah was terrible, it was traumatic,
57:34
it was heartbreaking, but we all want to go back there someday, and
57:37
we want to get back there however we can. So I mean, I
57:43
mean, the kids seemed other than Leon. The kids seemed sad and distressed.
57:49
I mean, also, Aspen wants to stay in Las Vegas. But
57:52
everyone kind of said that they miss Utah and that you know, it's a
57:57
bummer in Las Vegas. And this is where the parents are kind of like
58:00
feeling conspicuous because Okay, our kids are kind of talking about how unhappy they
58:02
are. And this is where Robin kind of says something like, I was
58:06
cringing when they were talking about it, because the audience is going to conflate
58:12
their faith with Las Vegas. Yeah, as if them being unhappy in Las
58:15
Vegas means they're unhappy in the faith, but that's not what's really bothering them.
58:21
So she was just she was concerned that they were speaking up. Yeah,
58:25
and Jane even said the same thing. She's like, I don't want
58:28
them to take that out of context, because yeah, they're unhappy about being
58:31
in Vegas, but they have a lot of things that they are happy about
58:35
and it's like, okay, but like, don't diminish your kids unhappiness is
58:37
they're being vulnerable, they're being real, they're being honest about how they feel.
58:42
And none of them wanted to go to fucking Vegas, not in the
58:45
way that you guys did anyway, exact flying by night and you're stupid fucked
58:50
a flat tire caravan and can't tell any of their friends or there anybody else
58:53
that they're leaving right with three days. Notice the way you handled it was
58:58
atrocious. Yeah, begs the question like, what are you doing to take
59:00
care of these kids? I mean, obviously they have issues. Hunter has
59:04
been the one who has been demonstrating it the most. He's been struggling,
59:07
But all the kids are struggling, and you're putting them on a panel and
59:09
so allowing them to answer truthfully is the least that you can do to help
59:15
them to express themselves. Right, But Robin saying she was cringing, I'm
59:19
like, okay, because you're taking it personal. Well. Abuse hides in
59:21
the darkness. Baby dysfunction hides in the darkness, and they want to present
59:28
as well as they possibly can as this polygamous family that's doing the damn thing.
59:34
But meanwhile, we know, now we have the advantage of living in
59:37
twenty twenty three, looking back at twenty eleven, we know now that it
59:39
was never okay, nope, never, It was really never good. It
59:44
was just a facade so they could continue to have seasons and continue to talk
59:47
about their righteous activism for polygamy. Yeah, because he goes on to like
59:54
want to pass laws, and he goes on to even talk about maybe being
59:57
a politician. I know, so ridiculous, but really, your your life
1:00:02
is falling apart because Cody, you want to be monogamous, and you only
1:00:05
want to be with Robin. From the moment you met Robin, you've only
1:00:07
wanted to be with Robin exactly, and you destroyed your family because of it,
1:00:12
because you couldn't be honest with yourself and your family that you met your
1:00:16
soul. Nate, well, Beatrice, the other wives handed him to Robin,
1:00:22
the plotter. I treat him like he's my best customer. I guess
1:00:29
Janelle stopped doing that shit, I guess, and Christine stopped doing that shit.
1:00:31
I think Mary would do this day still do that shit. Oh yeah,
1:00:35
she just doesn't have the opportunity to know because he didn't want her to
1:00:37
begin with. Nope, he did not go sell your send your banana picks
1:00:43
to whatever. I wanted to find a real man, I keep saying,
1:00:45
because you know, I got those Google alerts. Yeah, I got those
1:00:49
Google alerts for the sister Wives, and most of the alerts I just disregard.
1:00:52
But I see like alert after alert about how Christine, Janelle, and
1:00:57
Mary are all losing weight. Yeah, and how Mary has lost a lot
1:01:00
of way to haven't seen, and also how many filters she uses on her
1:01:04
video and filters. People are getting upset about it, but I'm like,
1:01:07
she's fifty three letter live. It's fine. I mean whatever, If she
1:01:09
wants to project herself as an avatar, let her do that. Yeah,
1:01:14
she's been through enough shit. She'd have some time to figure herself out.
1:01:17
But also she's talking in the press about starting to think about dating again.
1:01:22
Good. First she has to trust herself. Oh my, gonna trust myself
1:01:27
and what it is that I want for me, but then me too.
1:01:31
I want her to be happy. I want her cookie to be eight.
1:01:34
I want her to go her cookie. She deserves it, you know,
1:01:39
think his sideburns they were bugging you this episode. They were so prominent.
1:01:47
Well, they're like they're super like edged and dagged and like slanted, and
1:01:52
they're kind of I mean, he's always trying to do something with his hair.
1:01:55
He always wants to look so hot with that fucking half goatee down there,
1:02:00
little soul piece surf bro. Do you think Christine's getting her cookie at?
1:02:04
No? What? No? Yeah? I think pleasure deserved. And
1:02:15
you think they're having premarital sex. Oh for sure. Oh, I'm sure
1:02:19
they're hooking up and it's so sensual and so freaky dicky six. Good for
1:02:22
you, Christine. I love that for her. Get your back blown out.
1:02:25
Yes. Now we need Janelle and Mary to get signed. No,
1:02:29
I don't know that Janelle has ever lived. I know. I know Mary
1:02:31
has not ever lived because Cody was her first husband. Yeah, but Janelle
1:02:37
was actually married before Cody. She was so maybe. I don't know what
1:02:39
that relationship was, like, I didn't read the book or she even addressed
1:02:43
it. But Janelle needs a good solid man. She loved a wyoming cowboy.
1:02:49
Are eating me? Are you kidding me? At? Cowboy wranglers,
1:02:54
belt buckle hat with the ranch. Oh my god, girl Pantage, so
1:03:02
we want it's on the vision Board and the dumpster Reality TV cringe dumpster.
1:03:08
Yes, we love these women sort of, you know, I mean the
1:03:12
one the ones that got away. I'd like Mary, actually, I always
1:03:15
have liked Mary. You've talked so much shit about Mary, though, I'm
1:03:19
gonna continue to do it. But like, I see a spark within her.
1:03:22
Yeah, like, and I want her. I want her to be
1:03:28
real. That's what I'm saying. She's still fronten on Mac Street in these
1:03:31
in these seasons, and she does throughout the entire series, like she's still
1:03:35
putting on a fucking show. I know it's so she doesn't tell the truth,
1:03:39
but I think, like, I feel like she's got depth. I
1:03:42
think that she could. I think she could do if she met somebody on
1:03:46
a Harley Davidson motorcycle, they gave her a matching leather jackman or a woman,
1:03:51
and they could just yes, a man or woman, properably a woman.
1:03:53
I think that'd be great, and they could just ride off to Sturgis
1:03:57
in the sunset. It'd be fantastic. Yes, we want that for her.
1:04:00
I want that for her so bad. What do you want for Cody
1:04:02
and Robin. Nothing. Nothing. I think they're going to be alone together.
1:04:08
I think that Robin there is a chance she could leave because the money's
1:04:14
drying up. I think there's a chance. I just can't imagine that being
1:04:19
a happy wedded union. No, I can't imagine. I mean, I
1:04:24
guess they were recently seen out at a farmer's market or something, so they're
1:04:27
out and about together. They have a life, But I just can't imagine
1:04:31
what that marriage is like with all of the children, the adult children having
1:04:36
left them, I know, don't get to do holidays with them. We
1:04:41
don't even think Robin was at the most recent graduation of Savannah. I guess,
1:04:45
right, yeah, probably not. Like I just don't even know what
1:04:47
that's I don't even know what they're doing. I don't know. And like,
1:04:49
judging by Robin and how she looks, she looks so different nowadays than
1:04:55
she does in these earlier seasons. She must wait recently. Yeah, and
1:04:59
that's great, Like she still looks fucking miserable. That still looks meme you
1:05:03
posted on the Instagram that was so fucked up and beautiful. It was like
1:05:13
Robin's face all distorted in her hair, just full on Poodle Out Little That
1:05:19
was so good. That was really funny. It is currently on Instagram Reality
1:05:24
TV Grine. If you want to see somebody's projection of what so Robin might
1:05:29
begin to look like in the future or something, Yeah, in an alternate
1:05:32
universe, what Robin looks like now? Yeah? But think she just it's
1:05:36
you think her happiness is being expressed through her looks. Yeah, I just
1:05:41
can't imagine. She looks like the way that she looks to me looks like
1:05:46
she's miserable, Like she's just trying to put on this facade to like try
1:05:50
and be happy with herself in her life. But like, I just can't
1:05:54
imagine that you're really this happy with a man that now you're stuck with and
1:06:00
you have no more income. You're stuck in a big old flagstaff house with
1:06:03
a shitload of debt from the land that the wives gave back to you guys
1:06:10
partially the said off. Now, no, they have eight dollars in that
1:06:15
land. I feel like it's all paid off. I don't know, you
1:06:18
have to do your deep dive. I'll have to look. But when I
1:06:21
looked and did that deep dive a few months ago, and the flagstaff County
1:06:25
records. Three of those plots were not paid off. Well two of them
1:06:29
now are. So maybe there's one that's outstanding. Maybe it's Mary's. I'm
1:06:31
not she's the most expensive one. Yeah, but we'll still. I can't
1:06:34
imagine that they're happy. Yeah, I don't know. I just want the
1:06:38
og wives to be happy. Me too, and that is our dream for
1:06:42
sister wives. Well, this was a good it was it's okay episode.
1:06:45
It was longer, it was a little longer, but I was like,
1:06:48
ah, give me more. That's kind of how these seasons are gonna go,
1:06:51
Girl, give me more. They're gonna be kind of boring sometimes.
1:06:56
Okay, Well, what you don't give me, I'm gonna make up in
1:06:59
my head the speaking on my podcast, Like it's true. You're just warning
1:07:02
you. If you're not giving it to me, I'm gonna figure it out
1:07:04
for myself, my own imagination. Okay, all right, Well, is
1:07:08
there anything else we need to say to these redcoons before we go? Beatrice?
1:07:12
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