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#216: Rachel Andres-CalTaf (Calgary) · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  here on the episode help me welcome from Calgary Canada.
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  Welcome. The wise, the wonderful Miss
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  Rachel, Andrews Rachel. How are you doing?
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  I'm doing good. Thank you.
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  You sound a little tired, a little bit.
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  Yeah baby girl was up too much last night.
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  Yeah, you have all the excuse in the world, trust me.
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  This is full of coffee. So like the whole thing.
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  Yeah, you know, as a mom of two which will learn more about
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  that, Rachel you'd be excused to have other things in Coffee as
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  well. So just, you know, you get all
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  the grace that this early, you know, I think there's studies
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  that show. It's good for the, I don't know.
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  Yeah, I don't know, maybe that's what happened to my kids.
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  I'm not sure. Well, Rachel thanks for joining
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  us, you know, you are a really great Twitter follow.
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  And what I mean by that is, you know, I live my life on Twitter.
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  So everything you know I do and consume and everything is on
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  Twitter. Enjoyed following, you over the
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  last A couple of years here because you're really open and
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  authentic and I think we'll find more of that in today's episode
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  with you here as well. But you show a different side of
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  track and field that we don't get to see quite often one is
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  you're very open with your own training.
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  So how you are actually training for your?
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  I think you're primarily a discus.
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  Thrower, is that correct? Yes.
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  So you you're very open about successes and failures in that
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  world which I think is fairly authentic.
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  We like Only show our successes sometimes in that world.
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  Yes. The big Temptation for sure
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  Temptation. That's right, that's exactly
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  that that is the right word because that means we can also
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  not show. We can show the reality of what
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  life is as well. And I think you do an excellent
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  job there and then the other side of it not just your
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  training but is your motherhood you know your mom was too and
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  you again show good and bad, you know?
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  Hey here's the great. I mean my child is the greatest
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  child in the world and it's things like this, where it's
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  like, oh yeah, they Were up all night so which means I was up
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  all night. So I just really appreciate that
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  authenticity. I think you know I truly believe
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  in the power of social media and I think I'm say accounts like
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  you but you're the real person behind the account people like
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  you and how you utilize social media is extremely important and
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  in real because it's real you know I'm not not a big fan of
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  the curation it is a temptation to curate only the positive but
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  I do like when someone shows everything.
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  You know, hey here's here's the great J's.
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  I'm having boy. Here's the bad days of heaven
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  and so I'm just thrilled thankful for that.
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  I think you're just an excellent person to follow on Twitter and
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  kind of have that reality check. That wife is real and real
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  things happen during that life. So so before we begin, why don't
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  you tell us what your Twitter account is?
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  That way if people want to kind of Follow That Journey, they can
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  follow along. Actually, I think it's mrs.
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  Rachel and juries, but I need to go double check because I've
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  changed it a couple of times. Okay, yeah, mrs.
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  Rachel Andrews is so missus Mrs, is that right?
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  Yep. And then Rachel, AGL and all one
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  word, no periods and hashes and all that kind of crazy stuff.
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  Perfect, awesome. Well, if you're on Twitter, I
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  would highly encourage you to go follow Rachel.
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  It's really I don't want to overstate and say inspirational
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  what you do in our you know your mom actually that is
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  inspirational in its own right there.
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  But it is again just it's a it's a real account of life.
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  And so I just highly encourage you to go follow her.
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  Unless you only want to see that everybody does perfect and
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  everything's great. And then don't follow Rachel
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  because it's Rachel's going to show you up and down left and
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  right there. So Rachel, let's get to know you
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  a little bit better here. As we work into your coaching
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  career, what you've been doing coaching?
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  And obviously your own throwing career is continuing to today.
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  Why don't we start wherever track starts for you?
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  Where does we're just kind of track and just in general
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  coaching, begin for you. That's kind of a long story, so
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  I remember how old I am right now so that's why we schedule 2
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  hours. We got all. 27 years ago now is
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  when I first started track, okay?
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  I was nine at the time and I got into it because I was 14,
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  Javelin, Javon look like fun, but I was too young to start
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  Gavin. So I had to start with shoplet.
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  Where did you grow up? That you even saw a javelin?
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  I mean, that's not a common thing for a nine-year-old to
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  see. No.
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  So I grew up in Kansas and Kansas was at the time, one of
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  11 states that allow Javelin. So I saw Javelin through Ooh,
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  very good enough. Is that some of the little track
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  meets or something? Or if I was, we had this old
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  Olympic tape from the 80s that I John Powell.
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  And I'll order and everything on it.
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  And I would watch the Olympic events over and over again.
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  I had this thing from, like, about the age of three that I'm
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  like, I want to make the Olympics.
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  I just didn't know when what and then I saw throwing events at
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  about nine, like I'm recalling that, oh, wow, what was it about
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  the? I mean, you know, there's a lot
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  to be said about the Olympics. What was it that you're just
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  like oh yeah, I want to be there in something.
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  Then kind of found what you wanted to go and be watching
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  these old 80's tapes. I love watching the torch being
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  carried and the people getting their medals on the podiums.
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  I'm you know, in their track suits and I was always a very
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  sporty kid and I'm like I want to be the best at something so
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  I'm going to try to go in this. So you saw the javelin you grew
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  up in Kansas in since when you grew up there you mentioned, 11
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  states. You're really no one ever tells
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  me the exact number of states that was really like you
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  obviously Research this a little bit.
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  Luckily we've added some states, South Carolina, Florida, and
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  Alabama. Since then it's grown we're
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  still not quite 50 states, which I would love but we're growing
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  almost every year. It seems like and that so you
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  saw the stick and was like I want to do that and they were
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  like yep. Not old enough.
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  So here's a shop. I throw this ball.
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  Yeah. I think it was 11 before they
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  let you throw it at the meat. So I started with shot put and
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  there was a couple other girls I through with at the time I broke
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  a state record. My first meet out and You girls
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  that I was with broke the state record again.
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  And then again so I didn't actually get it but like it's
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  like my back and actually be good at this.
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  No who was, you know, I mean, I think at that time women and
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  girls were actually in track and field so it's not like I don't
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  think you're starting from the get-go of when women were
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  getting into sports. Girls were getting a track and
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  field so someone had to be coaching.
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  You who is coaching you at that age?
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  So my biological father at the time did a little bit most of it
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  was from watching, John Pelham, Brian Oldfield videos.
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  So we had like them on VHS, and I would watch him over and over
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  again. Then just go out and throw four
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  hours. Well, you didn't dress.
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  Like Brian Oldfield though. Okay, good.
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  Okay. Just a sanity check there.
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  Just just question and I didn't like watching their stuff
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  though, like is the videos John Powell.
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  Especially was awesome to watch. I love it.
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  So you go out and you just throw in the shot.
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  How does that continue to prosper for you?
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  Um, shoppable ended up being my weakest event.
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  Out of all of them, probably just a lack of understanding of
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  how the whole body. It's like starting it now I wish
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  I understood. Then what I do now, same thing.
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  I mean, even goes with discus or javelins.
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  I hurt myself so many times with javelin that that one I really
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  had to drop in college and we just would pick it up enough for
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  me to win conference and then like Drop it again.
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  Did you go through High School in Kansas?
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  Yes, but I was home-schooled, so I wasn't actually allowed to go
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  State. I would go to the Kansas relays
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  and Stead my final year in high school.
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  I won Javelin. And one shop.
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  The Kansas relay. So I called that kind of like my
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  state. Yeah.
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  So you did you know, Kansas and we just had Brooke razznik out
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  in Louisville on the show. You know.
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  The Kansas State meat is a pretty special meat.
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  I mean, tons of people attend and you didn't get to get to go
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  because you were homeschooled. But it will help school is there
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  at the meet my home School Association would have been one
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  a so it would I would have dominated.
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  Like I'm sure on it because you know being able to win that
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  Kansas relays like you're going against not just the one through
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  six a but then you've got, you know, people from around the
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  other states. All right, so that one is a much
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  bigger meat In. So as you went through high
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  school years as a homeschooler did, dad keep coaching you or
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  did Brian Oldfield. Keep coaching you, how did you
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  continue to? I mean, you kept getting better.
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  So something had to be occurring.
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  Well, I took out a lot of my coaching myself.
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  I didn't understand anything about weightlifting.
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  And so, my weightlifting was, you know, like four sets of ten,
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  five sets of ten when I believe, I didn't get into really good
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  weight, lifting until college, but I would set myself these
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  guidelines. Line sheets and like write down
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  how many throws I was going to do it each bit per day and I
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  tapered it like I didn't know what tapering was at the time.
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  I just knew if I like did a big load here and then did a smaller
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  load close to my big meet I did better.
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  How are you mean? That's a pretty high level for a
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  14 15 16 year old kid to be thinking that way you know it's
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  much easier for a kid that age to you know throw a couple times
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  and then go play with their friends and you know eventually
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  kind of You got to be structured for that and you're very
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  structured there. What does that come from?
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  Honestly, I don't know. I did a lot of reading as a kid
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  and some of it may have just you know, stuck in there by osmosis.
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  But yeah. Like I don't remember even
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  reading anything about weightlifting or proper training
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  techniques. Same thing with like diet and
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  exercising in general. Like I didn't grow up in this
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  area where like Diet was a big deal.
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  I could give you a pie in your lunch every day and it's just
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  like Nice, right? Like I cut that out and like
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  seventh grade and then I'm like, well, I'm not going to eat past
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  8:00 p.m. because I read somewhere like it's bad for your
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  digestive system. Like it was kind of a I was very
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  much a self motivator. Yeah.
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  Right. We're other kids in the home
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  school I know a little bit about homeschooling that you mentioned
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  your homeschooling Association. There's usually a community
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  around the or other kids interested in track as well.
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  Or was this just a Rachel only thing?
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  No, we had a track club for a little bit.
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  So when I was 5th to 7th grade, I was in one track club with our
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  homeschool Association, but it was run by a long-distance
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  Runner and he made everybody run like eight laps around the track
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  to start practice. Oh no, my calves, got amazing
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  and you know fifth or sixth grade but by the time I was down
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  my warmup. I couldn't move sure like right
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  now. Go throw.
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  No I'm gonna go sit out. Yes.
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  It's so he also had a rule that everybody had a red.
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  It meets it after I got Dead last at the 100-meter.
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  He's like, no, you can throw now.
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  Wow. First of all, I love that you
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  broke the rules, like all right. You know what Rachel?
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  Yeah, I thought that was a good rule you just go through.
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  Yeah. I was a bit of a chunky kid at
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  the time. Like, I got better at the
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  hundred meter and I did 4 by 100 meter.
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  Dash through high school. I think I was like 13, 10 13, 12
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  for like my meter. So like it wasn't terrible for
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  throw her out spikes on Iran, that in basketball shoes.
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  But yeah, like early on like I was not definitely not a runner
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  and so I really advocate for the kids.
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  Now, as a coach the ones that are definitely not Runners, like
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  just need to come through things, right?
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  Exactly. There's too far to the hey, you
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  never know. So they should try a bunch of
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  different events. You know, somewhere there has to
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  be reasonably like yeah. Okay, you we found your event
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  area. Let's just stay over there.
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  I love it, I love it. Okay, so you go through, you get
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  home. Schooled for your education but
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  you're looking at going on to college.
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  Where did you go? And why did you choose that?
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  So I went to Oral Roberts University down in Tulsa, they
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  are a D1. I was recruited by a few other
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  colleges but or he was the one that really fit at the time.
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  They didn't have a track. So we went and practice at high
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  school, which was better than what I had done, which was off a
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  parking lot or, you know, driveway as a high schooler The
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  I really like the whole atmosphere like Tulsa, it's like
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  the biggest small town you'll ever be in.
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  I agree. My guy was like my brother
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  coached at University of Tulsa for a while and so I'd visited.
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  That's where we got married, everything and yeah, I would
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  describe it. Exactly how you just said, it's
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  like, oh, it's the biggest little town that you'll ever go
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  to. I guess.
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  It's a little town. But boy, it's got everything.
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  You know. It really is a neat, little
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  little place there in Tulsa. That's awesome.
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  What was it about? Oral Roberts?
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  Was it the throws coach? Was it just the has a unique
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  culture there as well? You know, the great, Joe, dial
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  and Shana die. I'll have been there forever.
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  They should probably just change the name of the university to
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  dial University. That would be even much more for
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  the track people. For sure, what was it there
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  about all Roberts. The, the coaches really
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  impressed me. I worked under Chris Brown,
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  coach style was like the head coach, and then Chris Brown was
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  the assistant and he works with jumpers and throwers and he
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  really impressed me with my, like first visit.
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  And I was like, I really like you, like we drive well
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  together, I work well with you. It takes me a while to trust
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  people. And so, if I start trusting
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  somebody within like a visitor to, that's a big deal.
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  Hmm. And so I'm trying to imagine,
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  you know, someone who was very much self coached through high
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  school for the majority of it, it sounds like and then you go
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  to college. Well, there is no self coaching
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  their coach Browns going to coach you there.
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  How did you adjust to? The, I'm not writing the
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  workouts anymore. I'm listening to Coach Brown and
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  what he's telling me. To do.
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  Well, what I first got into the weight room, I was doing like a
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  two plates on the leg press, if that gives you an idea because I
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  had not done like the strength development that I needed.
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  I mean, I honestly thought you're going to stay on the
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  bench press. I was like, good God.
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  Okay. All right.
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  No, I benchpress until 2016, but No, like just coach towel.
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  Then he came one of my first memories of Coach tiles.
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  He came in there and he's like, you call yourself a thrower.
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  What do you lifted? Hold on.
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  You gotta do that little better with more of a Joe dial accent.
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  Joe doll Southern going on. What are you lifting?
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  You are. Thrower, that's much closer.
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  I love Joe dial for track and he and, you know, they're like not
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  supposed to be over something. He would set the scale and he's
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  like, you better not be under this.
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  All right, interesting, I need to get bigger and bigger for
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  throw things. Did you any more structured
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  weight program? Did you gain strength pretty
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  easily? Hmm.
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  Yeah, by the time I graduated, I had gone from just like two
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  plates to. Let's see his 10 plates on
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  either side, so it's about 20 plates on likely grass, dude, I
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  mean, that's quite amazing. Yeah, so that's structured
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  program. Was it was huge for me.
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  And did that translate into better throwing Yes.
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  Except for Javelin because I lost a lot of flexibility for
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  Jabba the injuries. But I went from 45 in high
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  school to 55 in college for disk.
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  Yeah. And my shot ended up at 1574 and
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  I think in high school I was at 11:11 High 1190.
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  Absolutely. And what were you studying what
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  were you wanting a career to be? Graphic design.
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  So that's what I ended up. Studying all the tide started
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  looking at engineering and then I settled on graphic design.
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  They're kind of related, but you getting like math class.
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  And then I was like, yeah, graphic designs, perfect.
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  Oh no, I'm pretty good at math but I don't know.
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  Like one of the things that I was told was like if it's comes
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  easy to you, it's probably something you were meant to do.
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  And so Art more came easy to me, like seeing things from outside
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  the box. that sounds a lot of that's going to Yes.
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  Yeah. You need to be a box.
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  Yeah. It's in the soon.
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  As you said it becomes easy to you.
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  Maybe that's what you were meant to do.
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  And if you do need to talk about your throwing and not having a
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  structured coaching and yet still being successful.
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  That's first thing I thought I was like, oh yeah, you were
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  meant to be a thrower. Like it did kind of come
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  naturally to you. Yeah, I like that.
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  That's cool. So how did the coaching career
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  go in regards to coaches? Coach Brown is working with you
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  specifically. Coach dials overseeing the
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  entire program and focusing a lot on vaulters, obviously.
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  But, you know, he can coach a lot of stuff.
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  He's a great coach. What did your coaches do for
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  you? That were positive as you kind
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  of look back. Now, you have perspective on,
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  you know what, how they interacted with you, coached,
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  you taught you Etc. Well, Coach Brown, I actually
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  still work with, he's still one of my coaches, and I'm working
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  with him and my coach up here simultaneously.
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  It's nice to get to different people saying the same thing at
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  me, but no, like, it's the, the structured environment was great
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  Coach Brown. He's got an interesting, like,
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  we have an interesting relationship.
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  You know, if I go out there and have bad throws, like you suck,
• 20:28
  you knew throw better like, but it's what I needed to hear from
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  him. It's just It works for our
• 20:35
  relationship. I got mad at an official at
• 20:39
  conference because he called foul one time and Coach Brown
• 20:41
  comes over and gives me a punch in my like left arm and he's
• 20:44
  like, you go, you go and throw further now so that's what I
• 20:48
  feel. Like my big PB and shot is like
• 20:50
  a half M PB to win. My only winning shot for
• 20:54
  conference. How does a coach Spying that
• 20:59
  individually because I'm assuming Rachel.
• 21:03
  So you needed that but maybe a teammate needed.
• 21:07
  May be the exact opposite, like you would, you know, say Hey you
• 21:10
  suck and that person might just crumbles like oh that's the
• 21:13
  worst. You know you might as well have
• 21:14
  just punched me in the gut. How does a coach learn that or
• 21:18
  at least maybe in your own experience.
• 21:20
  How did Coach learn that about you?
• 21:23
  To that individualize like okay, this is how Rachel needs to be
• 21:28
  motivated or whatever word you might want to use their?
• 21:31
  Well, I mean, like, in NC double-a one, you spend a lot of
• 21:33
  time together like they are at the college five days a week.
• 21:37
  And like I'd have morning practices just with Coach
• 21:40
  because my schedule didn't work to do with the afternoon team
• 21:44
  and then we're in the weight room for two to three hours.
• 21:46
  So it's, you know, with the track practice in the weight
• 21:48
  room, you're with your coach, four to five hours a day
• 21:51
  sometimes and Bus trips, and I tended to sit near my coaches
• 21:56
  because I was studying. I was one of those kids that
• 21:58
  studied a lot on the bus rather than goofing off one of the few
• 22:04
  is. And yeah, you start to learn
• 22:07
  more about what the athlete really wants.
• 22:11
  And I think I responded well to sarcasm and so there's a certain
• 22:13
  level of sarcasm. He's still very sarcastic with
• 22:18
  me on some of my stuff, like if I add a lot of speed on a
• 22:22
  Sprint, he's over here like you double time that video to send
• 22:25
  it to me, didn't you? He's just, it's fun, like enjoys
• 22:31
  messing with me and I'm like, I mess with him right back.
• 22:34
  Yeah, it's interesting. You know, no one style is the
• 22:39
  right style for everybody. And there's a real skill to be
• 22:45
  able to learn this athlete, or this group of athletes needs to
• 22:49
  be spoken to this way and heard this way, and this group of my
• 22:54
  athletes needs a different tact. And guess what, this group over
• 22:57
  here, needs a different tag. That's Real skill.
• 23:02
  And I'm not sure it's an easy one to learn either.
• 23:06
  No, because I started doing coaching even before I went to
• 23:09
  college in high school with some high school teammates because I
• 23:13
  joined another home school club and like they knew nothing about
• 23:16
  throws. So I'd help my teammates out and
• 23:19
  it's like, it's still something I think in development on,
• 23:22
  picking up what each athlete needs because some of them
• 23:25
  respond well to the sarcasm other ones of them like, you
• 23:28
  need to give them the Cookie like, you know, this is what you
• 23:30
  did ask, this is what we need work on.
• 23:32
  This is what you did. Excellent, right.
• 23:34
  Yeah. And I think the word you used
• 23:36
  earlier, it might be the real ingredient for that, and that's
• 23:41
  trust, like, the athlete has to trust.
• 23:44
  I can be my authentic self with Coach as well, because that way
• 23:48
  he or she will know how I am and who I am and what I am so they
• 23:51
  can treat me accordingly versus well I'm just going to I'm going
• 23:55
  to I'm going to keep to myself and see how coach.
• 23:58
  Is and you know and it's like well you guys aren't being your
• 24:00
  real selves to each other. So you sounds like you were able
• 24:02
  to just kind of be your real self fairly early in the
• 24:05
  coaching process there. Yeah.
• 24:07
  It like normally it takes me a while with people I think I've
• 24:10
  gotten better about that as I've gotten older but even with my
• 24:13
  coach here it was I'd known her for three or four years before.
• 24:17
  I kind of brought her in asthma second coach and really was like
• 24:22
  yeah you know what you're talking about?
• 24:24
  Well you said it takes you a little time to think your words
• 24:27
  were warm up to One. But with Coach Brown, it was
• 24:30
  fairly early. It was very, very early, we had.
• 24:35
  So for my weightlifting, we were kind of convinced well, he
• 24:39
  shouldn't do any Max's, and this wasn't on Coach Brown side.
• 24:42
  This was more just kind of how I've grown up and so he like
• 24:46
  accommodated that and worked with me as much as possible with
• 24:49
  it. And so we still had a taper, but
• 24:50
  I'd be starting the year. I like 18 reps.
• 24:53
  I don't do that anymore. I'm like, that was horrible.
• 24:55
  Wow, yeah. So we could drop to you know
• 24:59
  five or six doing the Max's. I didn't actually start maxing
• 25:04
  until after my first kid was born.
• 25:07
  Wow. Yeah that's not uncommon, right?
• 25:10
  And again we're getting a little too close to X's and O's but I
• 25:12
  am curious as someone who now works out in the gym, and I
• 25:15
  never max out because I never want to bother anybody in the
• 25:18
  gym. That's my reasoning.
• 25:20
  But not maxing out. Has become more popular back
• 25:24
  when I when I was in school where were roughly the same age?
• 25:27
  We maxed out. I mean we were probably a pretty
• 25:29
  terrible program. We maxed out every week that's
• 25:31
  excessive, but we did what? Yeah, hey, you started 18 reps.
• 25:35
  Let's talk about excessive, right?
• 25:37
  I'm not sure which one's the more success there.
• 25:40
  But now they're see in my saying now, is maybe last 5 to 10
• 25:43
  years. There seems to be more of a push
• 25:46
  of like, you know, to rep. Three rep for rep.
• 25:48
  Max has, are more important and may be safer than the, the
• 25:52
  single rep max. Well.
• 25:54
  On my, as I've gone through coaching my thoughts of even
• 25:57
  evolved That because I've got kids that, you know, they're not
• 26:00
  comfortable maxing yet, either. Or I want to start their base
• 26:03
  program and so we'll start them, you know, maybe 12 reps and be
• 26:06
  working them through the, through a base program.
• 26:08
  And not get them to maxing for three or four years, really kind
• 26:11
  of depends on, you know, where they start.
• 26:14
  And so, I think, the way Coach Brown is set up, my base program
• 26:17
  was really good for my body because I was so injury-prone in
• 26:20
  high school that I needed, that some of that.
• 26:24
  So, I think not jumping me into Max's like some of The college
• 26:28
  coaches now, we'll jump kids into Max's that haven't done any
• 26:30
  weightlifting like it's you know, Pro more prone to injury.
• 26:35
  But but now I just really kind of change.
• 26:37
  It depends on what the kids are needing, and even some of our
• 26:41
  lips, I'll be like, we can do our five rep max on this, but
• 26:44
  this one will do, like, our one rep max on.
• 26:46
  So, like leg lifts is a lot easier to do five rep max.
• 26:49
  And but if you're doing bench press 5 rep, max is rough.
• 26:52
  Yeah, for sure, for sure. The only thing worse is that 18
• 26:56
  rep max? Oh my goodness.
• 27:00
  Yeah, so I don't know, I think the with this you're thinking
• 27:04
  always evolves as you're coaching the more you learn like
• 27:07
  more coaches, you talk to you more, your figure it out, adding
• 27:12
  to your own toolbox, why didn't you just curious?
• 27:15
  You know, you obviously have a passion for called Human
• 27:19
  Performance and obviously your own performance and you coached
• 27:23
  a little bit in The Homeschool Group, things like that.
• 27:25
  No thoughts of ever going into like, an exercise science.
• 27:28
  Or an education degree or you know, teaching things like that.
• 27:32
  So teaching when I took my career, aptitude test was at the
• 27:35
  very bottom of my list. It was like you not you will
• 27:38
  suck at this kind of thing you will hurt kids, don't do this,
• 27:43
  was the top of my list. There was nothing in there for
• 27:46
  coaching or Kinesiology looking back on this.
• 27:49
  I have a fascination with how your muscles work and how the
• 27:52
  body works too. And so I've studied into the
• 27:55
  whole exercise science without the degree and I'm like, I
• 27:57
  really wish I had at least done this as a minor or something at
• 28:00
  this point, but when I was going to college, if you were doing
• 28:04
  exercise science is because you were lazy.
• 28:09
  There are so many athletes going in exercise science to be lazy.
• 28:16
  That's interesting. I mean, there's an obvious
• 28:19
  connection between you and the body, you know, the human
• 28:22
  performance. And so that's why it's like me
• 28:23
  and didn't ever come across your mind?
• 28:25
  Yeah, that's interesting. Okay, so we graduate with a
• 28:28
  graphics design, major from Oral Roberts.
• 28:30
  Great institution there in Oklahoma.
• 28:32
  What came next I continued my training with discus because I
• 28:40
  was trying to make the Olympic team and the US and there was
• 28:46
  also trying to get, you know, work.
• 28:48
  So the transition going out of college and needing to work and
• 28:51
  pay bills. And train was very interesting,
• 28:54
  Coach Brown continued working with me and we'd sometimes go
• 28:57
  out at, you know, 8 or 9:00 a.m. before I went into work and get
• 29:00
  in some throws and then I'd go into work.
• 29:03
  Like throw my hair up in a ponytail, put my work.
• 29:05
  Goes over the top of my workout clothes and going to work and,
• 29:10
  and then go weight-lift afterwards.
• 29:14
  My husband and I met in 2011 and got married in early 2012.
• 29:18
  So like the last time I was in, the States was October 2012.
• 29:25
  So he was there for like, my last year of real training in
• 29:27
  the state's. You come and weight lift with
• 29:29
  me. But during all this time, I was
• 29:33
  doing like, for jobs because Was a bad time in the us for jobs.
• 29:39
  I couldn't get a job in graphic design.
• 29:42
  No matter how many places I applied to they're like we want
• 29:44
  20 years experience for minimum weight was like, dude.
• 29:48
  So I ended up painting which was related and is like it was a
• 29:52
  workout. So I got to keep working towards
• 29:54
  my goal of, you know, Fitness while working at the same time,
• 29:59
  which was ideal for me. So that kind of got me in the
• 30:01
  whole painting room. Tell me more about that.
• 30:05
  When you say painting, honestly, the first thing I think of is
• 30:08
  mr. Miyagi and, you know, the up
• 30:10
  down, up down, you might be talking more about like,
• 30:13
  artistic painting. So the stuff behind me on the
• 30:16
  wall. This is what some of the stuff I
• 30:17
  did. This is called glazing and
• 30:20
  process that you do over the top of paint.
• 30:22
  After you, do the regular wall painting.
• 30:24
  And so, that's what I got into are going to do a faux,
• 30:26
  finishing painting company and we would do faux finishes and
• 30:30
  all the ritzy houses and Tulsa. Started doing murals for them.
• 30:35
  When I figured out, I could do that kind of stuff on a big
• 30:37
  scale, like I was doing trees and branches and other things
• 30:42
  like, so that freak forgive me, I'm fascinated with artistic
• 30:46
  stuff, but I can't. I'm still working on my stick
• 30:48
  figure, so I haven't quite got my own artistic but you were
• 30:51
  doing you say, mural. So I'm thinking big murals.
• 30:53
  Your, I feel like you're talking about like, the, what, like,
• 30:55
  you're right behind you. You don't want a full wall in
• 30:58
  your hand doing like trees and Landscape stuff.
• 31:02
  So the And I did was just like, kind of a shadow tree.
• 31:05
  Like it was a full-size. It was on like a 15-foot wall
• 31:09
  and then 20 feet wide and I free hand drew it and then like we
• 31:12
  had our whole team paint it, but it was like a single collar is
• 31:15
  for a family tree wall, so they can hang up pictures of cool.
• 31:19
  They had an idea and I sketched out the idea to make sure it was
• 31:22
  way they wanted it and then put the whole thing on a huge wall.
• 31:27
  How did you even find you had the skill for that?
• 31:30
  I mean, that has to be a skill. It is, I had no idea in college.
• 31:35
  I could do this. I skipped out on the painting
• 31:36
  classes. I was likely, I'm not going to
• 31:39
  do that. More do web design, no, but I've
• 31:45
  been fairly good at drawing. And so, like my boss at one
• 31:49
  point, she was like, you think you can do this, you can try it.
• 31:51
  I was like, okay, we can always paint over hurt, if you mess it
• 31:54
  up, Alright. Alright.
• 31:55
  And then, from then on What's been your most challenging or
• 32:02
  interesting project like that that you've done?
• 32:05
  Well in my house right now, I've got Calvin and Hobbes up on one
• 32:07
  wall that I did from a page for my sons of hers as I say you did
• 32:12
  for the little one. Yeah.
• 32:13
  Oh, that's so cool. So that one was pretty
• 32:16
  challenging. I've done a few here, where I
• 32:18
  live like more trees like for coffee shop here in town, the
• 32:25
  business. My husband used to work at was
• 32:27
  an internet company and they wanted like triangles and like
• 32:30
  20 different shades of orange. So that one was hard to try to
• 32:32
  find the shades of orange and paint because you can find it it
• 32:35
  color on like, you know, computer because he doesn't
• 32:37
  thousands to work from the paint is not as forgiving.
• 32:42
  Hmm. And I did that on a ladder.
• 32:44
  Her well, 32 weeks, pregnant with my son.
• 32:52
  Holy cow. But yeah.
• 32:55
  And then I did some other ones that look like technical wires
• 32:57
  going across the walls. I was eight weeks pregnant with
• 33:01
  my son at that point and that one was worse because I was so
• 33:04
  nauseated like well I'm flattered.
• 33:06
  Yeah holy cow, that's quite amazing.
• 33:11
  You know doing anything while you're pregnant I think is you
• 33:14
  know like that's just amazing. I just can't imagine doing that
• 33:17
  and I'm thankful every day that God made me a guy and not a gal
• 33:20
  that that honestly but to be up Ladders and, you know, paint
• 33:27
  fumes and all that kind of stuff.
• 33:28
  I mean, just it's quite a me, the creativity.
• 33:31
  There is amazing the paint fumes.
• 33:33
  We don't have to worry as much now about like all the paint.
• 33:36
  I use didn't have any fumes and some working around while
• 33:40
  pregnant. I used to do a bunch of cabinet
• 33:43
  staining and refinishing and that kind of stuff.
• 33:45
  I got to wear a big mask for yeah for sure.
• 33:47
  Right? Yeah.
• 33:48
  Okay, that makes sense and all this.
• 33:50
  While you're doing these really cool creative things and you
• 33:52
  meet your husband, are you you're throwing Going in
• 33:55
  training the whole time, grow continuing to train.
• 33:59
  What was was there is husband thrower or any track backgrounds
• 34:05
  that he did. He ever did?
• 34:08
  He Wonder like, what are you doing?
• 34:09
  Why do you throw this frisbee a little bit.
• 34:13
  So he's a tech guy, like he's a nerd.
• 34:15
  We kind of more bonded around Photoshop and like doing stuff
• 34:18
  on the computer and nerdy things.
• 34:19
  Because another one of the things I did in the states,
• 34:22
  after I got out of college, I started a computer business
• 34:24
  because I had no way to make money.
• 34:26
  So I started fixing computers for people.
• 34:28
  It's Mike. Done as a side hustle in college
• 34:31
  because people always were breaking their computers or
• 34:33
  couldn't get it to turn around on their printer wouldn't work.
• 34:36
  So they'd call me till I come work on their computer.
• 34:39
  You're like the ultimate artistic it.
• 34:44
  Yes. Yes.
• 34:44
  And they kind of all go well together like it works.
• 34:46
  The same side of the brain. Yeah.
• 34:48
  Artistic it who also throws. Let me that's a pretty heck of a
• 34:52
  triangle combination there. Oh and Mom in there.
• 34:55
  So what then we have a full Square?
• 34:58
  I've known as a bit of a Multitasker.
• 35:00
  But yes, I could see that. Yes.
• 35:07
  So husband's from Canada. Is that how you made us again?
• 35:11
  We met online. Yeah, so my wife and I met
• 35:15
  through match.com. Did you meet through like one of
• 35:17
  those or how did you eat all of us?
• 35:18
  So my husband and I were both cheap and didn't have a lot of
• 35:21
  money. The time we met on Christian
• 35:23
  dating for free.com. Awesome.
• 35:32
  I tried like Match.com and it was like, there are no matches
• 35:36
  for you. Yeah.
• 35:42
  So what's it like I don't think I've even really been to Canada.
• 35:46
  I think I drove up over the Border once long time ago.
• 35:49
  So what's it like you've been in Canada now for a few years, the
• 35:53
  differences of, you know, living in the States versus living up
• 35:56
  in Canada. Well, whether you're wise, it
• 36:00
  sucks because we've got winter six months out of the year and
• 36:03
  we got to find indoor activities.
• 36:05
  Hmm yes I used to build a throw outside 11 months.
• 36:09
  Out of the Year 11 and a half months, depending on, you know,
• 36:11
  rain and Ice storms in Oklahoma. But they'd only last for like
• 36:16
  three days and you go back outside and throw some more.
• 36:19
  So here we have to get training facilities for indoors for six
• 36:22
  months out of the Year and be fighting everybody else for the
• 36:25
  indoor training facilities, and it's taken me a few years, just
• 36:28
  to figure out how to best use our indoor facility.
• 36:31
  Like, I've got a big tarp now to throw discus into, I've got
• 36:36
  Rubber throwing puds or discus balls that we use to, you know,
• 36:41
  not break the basketball court. Last year, I started doing more
• 36:45
  weight throw indoors with my kids, but the regular weights we
• 36:48
  would need like the heavy-duty mats for and I don't have money
• 36:50
  for that right now, right? So I got slam balls and I put
• 36:54
  them inside a tornado bag and those have been working because
• 36:57
  you still get the same weight. It's not necessarily like the
• 36:59
  same handle structure but you still get all the turns that
• 37:01
  everything in yeah which is nice.
• 37:05
  What a shocker. Being creative to figure out a
• 37:08
  solution to a problem. Yeah.
• 37:09
  What a, what a shocker healthy other clubs around to because
• 37:12
  they're like, oh, we're gonna do that now.
• 37:14
  Yes, I did. See you like, oh, great idea,
• 37:17
  let's go. So, why as you continue to throw
• 37:24
  and your career and being a spouse and now being a mom, why
• 37:31
  get into coaching? I mean, you, you know, if we
• 37:34
  have the proverbial juggler you I've already got six, seven,
• 37:37
  eight balls up in the air. Why go to this?
• 37:41
  You know, it feels like it's almost like adding a bowling
• 37:43
  ball into that juggling of tennis balls.
• 37:44
  One big hairy goal here to coach throwers as well.
• 37:49
  Well, throw has been my passion for so long that I want to be
• 37:52
  able to pass that on to other people.
• 37:54
  And I've done so many things wrong that I also know how to
• 37:57
  get these kids on the right path faster.
• 38:01
  And I've been asked a lot like why don't you just concentrate
• 38:04
  on your own throwing rather than And I'm like, but then these
• 38:07
  kids wouldn't be here. I've got a lot of kids that are
• 38:09
  competing collegiately. Now, that wouldn't be able to be
• 38:12
  here if I hadn't been coaching because it's just like the
• 38:15
  amount of throws coaches are are not very much like I am through
• 38:21
  our system. It's nccp coaching
• 38:24
  qualifications, like I'm performance coach certified ever
• 38:27
  throws. And I think in the country,
• 38:30
  there's maybe like, eight of us that are really like, at this
• 38:32
  level and then we've got for their higher than that.
• 38:35
  Like Performance level, but there's not a whole lot of high
• 38:38
  performance throws coaches. And I'm living in a small town
• 38:42
  now that has like 8,000 people. So it's like really small.
• 38:46
  Yeah. Like these Farm kids hardly even
• 38:49
  know what track is and it's like if I wasn't here offering this
• 38:53
  like nobody would know. So how do you you're dealing
• 38:58
  mainly with the high school? Aged kids.
• 39:00
  I volunteer started volunteering when I moved up here over at the
• 39:03
  high school as a volunteer throws coach and that's largely
• 39:05
  where I get my club coaches from club kids as I recruit them from
• 39:09
  the high school kids that want to continue in.
• 39:13
  What do you you know it's easy for us to see ourselves in the
• 39:18
  kids? We coach.
• 39:19
  Well, you know we were, we were that age at one point in our
• 39:21
  life, feels like a long time ago.
• 39:23
  Sometimes, but we were that age. Do you see?
• 39:26
  These kids you see yourself in these kids and want to give them
• 39:30
  a little bit better than what you had and you know you had you
• 39:33
  at that age is that a goal of yours?
• 39:36
  Or what's going to give them a much better start and get them
• 39:40
  into college like with a much better Foundation.
• 39:42
  Then I had because I think if I had a better start at this and
• 39:48
  actually training properly like the college career would have
• 39:53
  been better. Like it was good college career
• 39:55
  but But I think less injury-prone even just knowing
• 40:00
  how to take care of your body, how to rest properly?
• 40:02
  I'm still trying to fight, you know, how to rest properly,
• 40:04
  because I like throwing too much.
• 40:08
  But teaching my kids, how to rest properly, how to take
• 40:10
  proper sets, you know what, tapering is with their weight
• 40:14
  programs. Get them to actually trust their
• 40:16
  coach. Like, you know, you can ask
• 40:17
  questions, but trust your coach in the long run.
• 40:22
  And how many laps do you make them do before exits?
• 40:26
  We're throwers. We don't know if the kids get in
• 40:29
  trouble. It's go.
• 40:30
  Fill the bucket for the hammer so we can fill the holes like it
• 40:36
  good. So no more eight laps.
• 40:38
  You didn't emulate that? All right.
• 40:40
  Good. Yeah not at all.
• 40:42
  Like most of my throwers I'm actually doing pretty good.
• 40:44
  If we do a quarter quarter mile like one lap Jog and then a
• 40:47
  stretch like most of them. It's a fight together.
• 40:53
  It was like importance of stretching.
• 40:55
  Is also something we're trying to pass on.
• 40:57
  I've got some kids that are struggling with that they're
• 40:59
  like I don't think stretching is a good thing and I'm like, but
• 41:01
  you've got pains right now that you need stretching for to.
• 41:04
  Yeah, happening. You're like, trust me it.
• 41:08
  See me today. I wish I had done more of this
• 41:10
  that when your age I had all these injuries that could have
• 41:13
  been prevented. I'm trying to help you prevent
• 41:15
  the same thing. Actually, exactly.
• 41:18
  Do you see much of a difference? You know, it's easy for us to
• 41:22
  Two, especially online, pick on American kids.
• 41:26
  And what I mean by that is, you know, we're lazy.
• 41:29
  They only want to play football or they only want to go D1 or
• 41:33
  insert a lot of other really big, and not so great.
• 41:38
  Generalizations of young people today.
• 41:40
  I think we tend to forget what we were.
• 41:42
  Like when We Are Young, by the way, do you see that in Canadian
• 41:46
  kids? Is it, is it a similar?
• 41:48
  A scores are some reason. There's a difference up there.
• 41:50
  So just to tell you what, the I think kids think of American
• 41:54
  kids, they're always, like, what are they feeding them down
• 41:57
  there? Why are they all so massive and
• 41:59
  likes grows. So, there is something that's
• 42:03
  being done, right down in the states.
• 42:05
  And I think part of that is, like, starting at a younger age,
• 42:07
  we're fighting that here. Most kids don't get introduced
• 42:10
  to it until they're in like ninth grade.
• 42:12
  Hmm, properly introduced and saving with weight training from
• 42:17
  what I've seen with the kids. I think a lot of this is more
• 42:19
  social media. They're like you know if I get
• 42:21
  my name out there I can. Get on a d 1 and d 1 is this
• 42:25
  clout? Like I made it to D1 school even
• 42:27
  in Canada. Even in Canada it's more of a
• 42:31
  yeah, D1. Like even, but it's more going
• 42:33
  to the states in general here in Canada.
• 42:36
  Most of my kids have opted to go to leverage University.
• 42:41
  Actually, I don't know Larry Steinke.
• 42:43
  He's one of our Olympic level throws coaches and he said,
• 42:46
  really well with his hammer through his program.
• 42:48
  Hmm, he has Jillian, we are right now which is our number
• 42:52
  two in Canada. Yeah, he had Liz Glee do for
• 42:55
  job. And so I've five of my
• 43:00
  hamburgers all the way down there.
• 43:03
  It's that because there's Simon Fraser is in the NCAA.
• 43:09
  Is there another? I thought there was another
• 43:11
  Canadian school but I could be wrong.
• 43:12
  That's the only one I'm aware of that sitting there instead of a
• 43:16
  a division to well. So I've had a couple kids
• 43:21
  consider that one but part of the reason not to go up, there
• 43:25
  is BC is expensive. It's like going to California.
• 43:29
  Rania. Like if you cannot afford to be
• 43:31
  on campus and in Canada, we don't do full ride scholarships.
• 43:35
  They do a bunch of like, little scholarships, the colleges are
• 43:38
  overall cheaper. Like it's, you know, 4,000 a
• 43:40
  year to go to college. Oh, wow.
• 43:44
  I don't think, I don't think. I think some schools charge 4000
• 43:47
  to apply to their schools here in the states.
• 43:50
  It's a slight exaggeration, but yeah, one of money to go around
• 43:54
  in general, there's a head coach position that came up for our
• 43:58
  University in Recently, and they were offered 50k for a head
• 44:01
  coach position. And I'm over here like no, I
• 44:05
  know what a head coach needs. Tells you where our track
• 44:08
  program is, like we don't have all the money to go around.
• 44:10
  We don't have the big football stadiums and like programs
• 44:14
  Canadian football is different to begin with.
• 44:18
  So I was going to in this may be just a terrible stereotype of
• 44:21
  Canadians in general you know down here we say we are always
• 44:25
  competing against football like footballs the big four male
• 44:28
  track athletes. So, you know, they if they get
• 44:31
  into football and then they have to do Spring ball and all this
• 44:34
  kind of stuff and they don't do track.
• 44:36
  I imagine that's how it is for hockey in Canada.
• 44:40
  Yes, you got it is. Okay.
• 44:42
  Alright good. Alright.
• 44:43
  That's stereotype holds true. All right, good.
• 44:45
  He is like the only sport they'll start at like Age 3 and
• 44:48
  don't do it all year round hockey camps.
• 44:51
  You know, how you drop training, all this other stuff and track.
• 44:55
  For example, in high school we get six weeks maybe.
• 44:58
  Oh wow. Yeah, like and that's if the
• 45:01
  kids show up when I start going out, when snow melts, most the
• 45:05
  kids I work with two or three weeks for track and that's their
• 45:08
  experience of track. And so that's one of the things
• 45:12
  I've been working on trying to change.
• 45:13
  While I've been up here is like trying to get these kids out
• 45:15
  sooner or make sure they know it's an offered thing because
• 45:17
  our clubs will go all year round, but school system is also
• 45:21
  different than in today. A like the when they did go to
• 45:23
  college, they only do indoor track with the college if they
• 45:27
  want to do outdoor track. They join a club.
• 45:30
  Is that true for Simon Fraser as well?
• 45:33
  Simon Fraser is weird because they get to go down to the
• 45:36
  States and okay, so they do because they're pretty
• 45:38
  considerably. They will do an outdoor but all
• 45:40
  the other schools Mcgill, and those guys.
• 45:43
  They're not doing outdoor that's going to Club at that point.
• 45:46
  Let's go in the club so they'll do use for its installed
• 45:48
  indoors. That's you, Sports is their big
• 45:50
  thing and that's their equivalent to the Indies NCAA
• 45:52
  division 1 like indoor championships, okay?
• 45:55
  But all the colleges will participate in these Forks.
• 45:59
  But it's definitely been something to adjust to up here
• 46:02
  because it's like, there hasn't been the pressure put on
• 46:05
  outdoor, which is why if you look at our national rankings,
• 46:08
  our top three or four are really high up there and then it drops
• 46:12
  very steeply especially for the outdoor events.
• 46:15
  Indoor like shop. What's really strong?
• 46:17
  Because we have that indoor and outdoor, right?
• 46:22
  That makes sense. It's fascinating to me the
• 46:25
  differences amongst you know we have a lot of differences here
• 46:29
  you know you described it actually in the state of Kansas
• 46:33
  we have a lot of differences culturally and track and field
• 46:35
  amongst our state's right? So Kansas has Javelin.
• 46:37
  Oklahoma does not things like that.
• 46:40
  So it's really fascinating to me when we start talking about
• 46:42
  other countries and we're talking about you know not only
• 46:46
  culturally for our sport but how culture of the society effects
• 46:50
  in. So here we have institutions you
• 46:52
  Thinking colleges like, oh, yeah, like you have indoor and
• 46:55
  outdoor. And, you know, the weird ones
• 46:56
  down here, maybe don't do indoor like, they'll, but they're
• 46:59
  definitely doing outdoor. Everybody is doing outdoor track
• 47:02
  and the college's here and it candidates like yeah, you're
• 47:04
  going club for that. So clubs the club system must be
• 47:07
  and that's probably maybe where Cal Taff comes in the club
• 47:10
  system must be tremendous must be really well-built out there
• 47:13
  than in Canada. Yes like the club, I'm a part of
• 47:16
  it. I'm pretty sure it's the biggest
• 47:18
  one in Alberta. We've got a little over 400
• 47:20
  kids. Hmm.
• 47:22
  Coaches are coach to kid ratios like 12 to 1 or something.
• 47:26
  So, it tells you how many coaches we need to have Your
• 47:29
  coach to kid told the 10K your kind of one coach for 12 kids.
• 47:33
  Yes. I heard that at 12 coaches per
• 47:35
  one kid. Not as like found that many
• 47:38
  coaches, like, first of all. Yeah.
• 47:40
  How'd you get that many coaches? Can you bring some down here?
• 47:42
  Second of all? I'm not sure that's healthy.
• 47:45
  No, which is why when I say, like, you know, it's hard to
• 47:48
  find coaches. Like they've done a really good
• 47:49
  job, trying to fish the coaches out, we get all the coaches that
• 47:52
  are really available, and, you know, give them their education
• 47:56
  that they need in order to be good coaches and be able to help
• 47:58
  the kid. Progress eventually, like get
• 48:02
  these kids into college system here or down in the states.
• 48:07
  I think a couple of hours are from last year down in the
• 48:10
  state's now this year. But we do, we do churn out as
• 48:15
  many, you know, high level athletes, as want to get to that
• 48:18
  level, just kids are joining a sports to, for something to do.
• 48:23
  Absolutely. Yeah.
• 48:23
  That that Rings true for u.s. and Canadian kids then that's,
• 48:27
  that's true. Yeah.
• 48:28
  Nah, Nothin Wrong with that. Actually it's that's good.
• 48:31
  So what Like, if you had a magic wand, how would you improve the
• 48:36
  Canadian? I'm going to call the high
• 48:38
  school side as it goes into college.
• 48:40
  And maybe it did, this question goes into the college side to,
• 48:43
  what would you change? Do you like prefer the club
• 48:46
  system like should do America consider more of the club
• 48:49
  system? Or do you prefer more how we do
• 48:51
  it here in the states? The club system really has some
• 48:54
  advantages because you can stay with them all year round which
• 48:56
  is nice. And then that way you're working
• 48:59
  with like the same coach all year round and not bounce it
• 49:01
  from one Coast to the next. The the state system has
• 49:05
  advantages to just because like nicer weather tracks are like
• 49:08
  everywhere. We had the closest track to
• 49:11
  where we're at right now, is 45 minutes.
• 49:15
  Wow. Yeah, closes.
• 49:16
  Nice track is going to be like an hour and 15.
• 49:22
  It took me four years to get rings built where I live.
• 49:26
  And that was part of this. The Rings.
• 49:30
  Yes, because the where I live, the high school and college
• 49:33
  share grounds. It There's three heads, I have
• 49:34
  to talk to in order to get things approved.
• 49:39
  So even like getting the cage, it's on my to-do list.
• 49:41
  But I did fundraising for these rings to happen is like four
• 49:43
  thousand dollars for like the Rings to get poured.
• 49:46
  And for the, the hammer ring insert the toe board, and I did
• 49:49
  the bolt down method for my rings because it was cheaper at
• 49:52
  the time. Like, I still works well but
• 49:55
  like I just that's what I could do at the time with the what I
• 49:59
  had and I was fundraising with one babe and you know, car seat
• 50:03
  and going around. And town and trying to get get
• 50:05
  stuff. And my next plans are a lot more
• 50:08
  money. Like getting a cade in an actual
• 50:10
  shot, puts Factor set up in Shale and everything, right?
• 50:15
  A lot more approval involved because in groundskeeping has to
• 50:17
  work around the cage. Yeah, yeah.
• 50:20
  Yeah, absolutely. And Club system, we don't have a
• 50:25
  whole lot of money. So, one advantage with the
• 50:29
  school system is, they'll get money from all the other school
• 50:31
  sports happening, and the school sports are huge schools down.
• 50:35
  The state's like Tulsa has jinx. It has Union or they've got huge
• 50:40
  football programs that can pay for stadiums and tracks.
• 50:44
  Yeah, and we could really use that.
• 50:47
  We need need more tracks. We need more stadiums, we need
• 50:50
  indoor tracks. We have one indoor track that
• 50:52
  everybody uses an Alberta, hmm. And then a partial indoor track
• 50:57
  that we try to use, but they don't like us using, cuz it's
• 51:00
  right next to the Olympic Oval, and somebody threw a weight on
• 51:02
  the Olympic Oval one year and broke the ice.
• 51:05
  Oh, that feels like a sin in Canada.
• 51:09
  Yes, yes. Because it's like, it's actually
• 51:11
  one of the Olympic training centers and it's like, you know,
• 51:13
  big chunk ice for them. It's getting us.
• 51:16
  Yeah, that feels like the equivalent of you messed up the
• 51:19
  football teams playing Ground like, you know, you threw a
• 51:21
  hammer in the field. Yeah.
• 51:24
  Like did that person get deported?
• 51:25
  I feel like that person lives in America.
• 51:26
  Now they're the reason that wait, there is no longer allowed
• 51:29
  in there, but Yeah, so we need we need more of the dedicated
• 51:38
  facilities and it's hard to get track taken seriously when you
• 51:41
  can't build the facilities, but it's at the same time you can't
• 51:43
  build the facilities without it being taken.
• 51:45
  Seriously taken an egg. Yeah, kind of thing.
• 51:48
  Yeah, we say chicken egg what do they say in Canada like syrup
• 51:52
  and maple tree or something that I probably just defended every
• 51:56
  Canadian that's listening right now.
• 51:58
  I'm so sick of every Canadian laughter that does themselves
• 52:02
  with the whole maple syrup joke. Okay guys, who went there?
• 52:06
  I watched a fascinating documentary on maple syrup, and
• 52:10
  I never thought that for much of documentary, but they were like,
• 52:13
  maple syrup Mafia wars. Basically on how you procure,
• 52:17
  the syrup and the land, and how you sell it, how you put it to
• 52:21
  the market, there's a whole Black Market.
• 52:23
  It was there was more to syrup than I thought, then just
• 52:27
  pancakes and French toast to be honest with you.
• 52:28
  Yeah. There's feel especially like
• 52:31
  more East Coast Ontario area like When you go out there every
• 52:35
  store is got maple syrup and it's like fresh locally, sourced
• 52:39
  maple syrup. I love it.
• 52:43
  Well Rachel you know one of the things we you know talked about
• 52:45
  a little bit here at the beginning of the episode we
• 52:48
  talked about your motherhood and you know one of the cool things
• 52:51
  and it's kind of just a cool thing just in general to see
• 52:55
  kids being introduced and involved in the sport of track
• 52:59
  and field and specifically throws watching your kids at
• 53:02
  practice. You know you have them at
• 53:04
  Practice you. You had them at practice before
• 53:06
  they were born. You did a quite extensive
• 53:09
  training. I don't know how far into the
• 53:12
  pregnancy but very far, I know up to it.
• 53:17
  What does it mean to you to be able to have your kids involved
• 53:20
  in one of your obviously many passions and talents there?
• 53:24
  But what's that mean to you? To have them involved from?
• 53:27
  Not even day one before day one. Well, I've really enjoyed being
• 53:31
  able to introduce them to track. I hope they want.
• 53:34
  To take on track. It's not something I want to
• 53:36
  really push, but it's kind of hard for them not to get it into
• 53:40
  every part of their system. When they are coming out the
• 53:42
  track breakfast with me, five days a week when it's nice
• 53:45
  enough. My son like his technique in
• 53:50
  Javelin and discus particular is better than most of my high
• 53:53
  school kids, really they start like a 600 gram Javelin, like,
• 53:58
  you know, 12 meters which is pretty good because In this
• 54:06
  case, he's got his proper little hand flip and like, held try
• 54:09
  doing a spin, so he's picking up on things and every once in a
• 54:14
  while, now, he'll be like, Mom can you coach me?
• 54:16
  And I was like, oh yes, I can definitely put you.
• 54:19
  You were right? I will.
• 54:21
  Yeah, and then 20 minutes later I'm giving him a little
• 54:23
  pointers. No Mom.
• 54:24
  I'm done being coached right now.
• 54:25
  I'm just gonna throw things. Hey, that's good.
• 54:29
  If you can abide by that right now because you know, you don't
• 54:33
  want to Push and but it's, I know it has to be hard on Ali,
• 54:36
  throw something you're like, yeah.
• 54:37
  But if you would just just do this.
• 54:41
  I live a little pointers here and there, but I definitely
• 54:43
  don't want to push. I want it to be if he wants to
• 54:45
  get into it. I wanted to be something he
• 54:46
  wants to do. I feel like I could make my kids
• 54:50
  like phenomenal. Like, if you look at Jason
• 54:52
  tongues and be, although have his girls grow up with discus
• 54:55
  and what they have done, I feel like that's what my kids could
• 54:58
  be doing if they want to get into it.
• 55:00
  Yeah, there's certainly a lot of great examples of lineage a out
• 55:04
  there from you mentioned, the Tonks, I think of the cantwell's
• 55:08
  kapos, and of course, going back to the Krauser's and the
• 55:13
  Skipper's, you know, families that were just, you know, their
• 55:15
  whole families were throwing I think for to work for your kids,
• 55:18
  we got to get the husband on board.
• 55:19
  There's some Masters track. He can, it's not too late.
• 55:22
  I think you can get out there. Yeah, this is not his Jam like
• 55:27
  it. He prefers biking which I'm like
• 55:28
  that's cool. Like, do the mountain biking
• 55:30
  thing and yeah. Yeah, it's clear.
• 55:33
  They get different things. Like it's nice with us because
• 55:36
  we are two different spectrums. So they get a good balance of
• 55:39
  lots of different things in life, more than just like sports
• 55:41
  world with me or computer world. Yeah.
• 55:45
  Right. And what, you know we talked
• 55:47
  about that's more like the athletic side of you know you
• 55:50
  being out there and throwing the kids see in you and things like
• 55:53
  that. How do you don't know handle or
• 55:57
  deal or just do maybe do is the right word.
• 56:01
  How do you cope? While the kids are going to call
• 56:04
  it around but they're never not around.
• 56:06
  Even if they're not with you there, in your mind, space, your
• 56:09
  mom for crying out loud. How do you handle coaching as a
• 56:12
  mother of two? Well, like the whole having the
• 56:15
  kids around, I think I only had a very short period where I
• 56:18
  didn't get to have to have a kid with me because my husband would
• 56:22
  come pick my son up and take him somewhere.
• 56:24
  But now I'm at the point with a nursing baby that she's with me
• 56:27
  all the time. So I've got at least one at all
• 56:29
  times and my athletes that I work with kind of get used to
• 56:33
  me, starting a sentence and then going to a kid for a second,
• 56:36
  then finishing the sentence because you get distracted.
• 56:40
  So often my son, when he's out of practice, he's yelling for
• 56:43
  mom to watch something normally climbing the foul pole, over the
• 56:46
  baseball field. Mice saw a picture of that.
• 56:49
  I'm not sure if someone who makes foul poles, I'm not sure I
• 56:51
  can condone that. I love the free spirit in this.
• 56:54
  But yeah, I'm like if you get stuck up there, I'm not coming
• 56:59
  up because it's not going to Bear my weight.
• 57:01
  It will break. So yeah, like it's a pretty
• 57:06
  heavy duty foul pole but I'm still like it won't hold me and
• 57:09
  I'm kind of surprised that holds you looked like he just shimmied
• 57:13
  right on up. He doesn't constantly, I
• 57:15
  practice like it. Go up there. 12 15 times and
• 57:18
  show everybody stick a hat up there, and be like my hat stuck,
• 57:21
  and then be a down at the bottom and Shake It Up.
• 57:25
  All right, so he's got humor to that's great.
• 57:28
  Got his daddy sense of humor on that one?
• 57:31
  The physical humor. I don't know how my hat stuck.
• 57:36
  That's great, that's great. Have you noticed, you know,
• 57:41
  you've been coached by, you've been coached by people who don't
• 57:46
  have kids around. And now you are coaching as
• 57:49
  someone that with kids around. Have you noticed, any positives?
• 57:54
  Not necessarily to the kids being there specifically
• 57:58
  although there might be but to your demeanor your style of
• 58:03
  coaching your style of interacting with the kids as
• 58:06
  their Ben benefits received from becoming a mother and still
• 58:10
  being a coach. Well, I think it's been
• 58:13
  inspirational for the kids I know when I was younger as an
• 58:16
  athlete I was told you know once you have kids you're sporting
• 58:18
  careers over, you are done until those kids graduate high school,
• 58:22
  your you can't do anything else. And so I think it's shown on a
• 58:27
  lot of people that yes you can continue doing stuff, it's not
• 58:29
  necessarily easy. You just have to figure out a
• 58:31
  new routine of what looks like you're normal.
• 58:35
  And I know it was for the for the females especially, they've
• 58:39
  been more inspired by it and some of the Masters athletes who
• 58:44
  are like I did this whole kid thing and I dropped out of
• 58:46
  sports for 15 years and you're over here showing that you don't
• 58:50
  have to. But I got to say that, it, it
• 58:55
  really helps to have a support system because my husband is
• 58:57
  very supportive of this whole thing and I do remote work for
• 59:01
  most of my work when I make money.
• 59:03
  So I'll do my work in the evenings like after The kids are
• 59:05
  in bed or in between track needs and things.
• 59:08
  It's harder for me to do the structured work anymore with
• 59:10
  kids. I've had this one with me on
• 59:13
  painting and I've had my son with me painting and like
• 59:15
  backpacking them while painting and doing rolling and stuff and
• 59:18
  it's hard and I work slower. Sure.
• 59:22
  Yeah. That's what's taking them
• 59:23
  strapped on your back. That's kind of a picture.
• 59:25
  I had their. Yeah, but it's actually funny
• 59:27
  when you say like thinking back to when my head coach Brown back
• 59:30
  in college, his kids were about the same age as my Are now and
• 59:36
  I'm about his same age as when he was coaching me and he would
• 59:40
  bring his kids out of practice every once in a while, like
• 59:42
  because his wife would work later.
• 59:44
  And so I'd have his, you know, three or four year old helping
• 59:47
  me pick up my discourses and crazy to think hit that three or
• 59:51
  four year old is now 18. But that's right.
• 59:57
  And, you know, Rachel knowing that every situation is
• 1:00:00
  different. You know, you being a mom and
• 1:00:02
  where your coaching and your career is different Than like, I
• 1:00:06
  think of Gil podcast. Alum look teacher Stewart, I
• 1:00:08
  think the kedra Hayes. Now, think she just got married,
• 1:00:12
  who recently had a child and coaching High School track and
• 1:00:16
  field down in Texas? That's different that there's no
• 1:00:18
  same comparison just because you're a mom or just because
• 1:00:20
  you're in coaching track and field so knowing that your
• 1:00:23
  situation is unique to you. What advice, you know, we talked
• 1:00:28
  in the past here on the podcast with men and women both about
• 1:00:33
  you know how to increase. Women in coaching, you know,
• 1:00:36
  it's it's roughly 50/50 on the participation side as far as
• 1:00:40
  athlete. There's roughly 50 percent
• 1:00:42
  women, 50 percent Men And yet when you go into coaching and
• 1:00:45
  you brought up a great staff that I'd like for you to discuss
• 1:00:48
  to, but when you get into coaching, it certainly is much
• 1:00:52
  less. I mean they're you know, if you
• 1:00:56
  look at even just our list of 200 and something coaches, we've
• 1:01:00
  had here. We're pretty reflective of what
• 1:01:02
  the coaching Market is. There's not a lot of women on
• 1:01:04
  our podcast. Cast, because there's not a lot
• 1:01:06
  of women in coaching. What do you what?
• 1:01:10
  I don't know, advice, recommendation encouragement,
• 1:01:14
  what would you have two other women who either are not wanting
• 1:01:19
  to start a family because they feel like it'll stop coaching or
• 1:01:23
  feel like because I do have a family I can't coach.
• 1:01:27
  What might you say to them? Well, I think with coaching it's
• 1:01:31
  more like you you're in business for yourself, kind of thing, you
• 1:01:34
  can take your kids along. It may not be your most ideal
• 1:01:37
  thing, but you can bring them here in Canada.
• 1:01:42
  They've really been doing a movement to get more women in
• 1:01:45
  coaching. They did a census and it's about
• 1:01:49
  5050 for women and men at the Grassroots level, but the higher
• 1:01:53
  you get the fewer women we get and at the very top level, like
• 1:01:58
  Olympic coaches, like 8%. I think eight percent was at
• 1:02:01
  their High Point and there really should be no reason for
• 1:02:04
  this. When I'm surprised, it's that
• 1:02:06
  high just from observation obviously and I don't, I don't
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  know what the efforts are in the u.s. to try to get more women
• 1:02:15
  coaches. But they're offering some
• 1:02:17
  scholarships here for women coaches.
• 1:02:19
  I'm actually in a mentorship program right now for coaches
• 1:02:22
  and I'm working with George at read.
• 1:02:25
  As my coach, she was one of our Olympic shot-putter 's.
• 1:02:28
  Okay, so I know that name. Yes.
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  So it's nice to be able to become be a mentored by one of
• 1:02:34
  our women coaches that was at the higher level because we
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  don't have very many of those. And the club I'm apart of is
• 1:02:41
  very unique in this respect because our head coaches that
• 1:02:45
  are part of the club Paula McKenzie.
• 1:02:48
  She was an Olympian bobsledder for Canada.
• 1:02:52
  She gots I think they got silver On her boss, LED team.
• 1:02:56
  And then my coach Kim cousins. She is another high-level coach.
• 1:03:01
  She's done a lot of para athletes and she's got a lot of
• 1:03:09
  able-bodied athletes to, but like she's one of the highest
• 1:03:11
  level coaches for throws in Canada.
• 1:03:14
  Hmm. And that's unusual that we have
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  such high level female. Coaches on this team are head
• 1:03:20
  coach for the JD Development. Group is also female our head
• 1:03:23
  coach for He does is female, which is our young kids like 12
• 1:03:28
  and under you seen. Hi.
• 1:03:34
  We did get our code guests. Yeah.
• 1:03:40
  Those people do. They just point out me like what
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  in the world are club is helping to boost some of those numbers
• 1:03:46
  of female coaches and then they're increasing our education
• 1:03:51
  as much as they can. Like, every year, the the club
• 1:03:53
  will help pay for coaches, education, get all the coaches
• 1:03:57
  up right now. Their goal is to get all the
• 1:03:59
  coaches to Performance level status, which is They used to
• 1:04:03
  have numbered, for all these out of five and I don't know where
• 1:04:05
  this correlates on numbers. But the next level after
• 1:04:09
  performance, coach is high performance coach, which
• 1:04:11
  basically means going back to college for a little bit, I
• 1:04:15
  don't have to call right now for obvious reasons.
• 1:04:17
  Sure. Do you think it's what's keeping
• 1:04:23
  women out of coaching? Do you think it's, you know
• 1:04:27
  there's a there's a lack of Interest component, I don't mean
• 1:04:31
  that necessarily here but what I mean by that is like like with
• 1:04:34
  teachers there is more of an interest in women that want to
• 1:04:37
  become teachers than men. Maybe nursing there seems to be
• 1:04:41
  more women in nursing than men. Is it that way in coaching?
• 1:04:44
  Is it just one of those things that's like, you know what,
• 1:04:46
  women just don't have as much interest as men in coaching.
• 1:04:49
  We track and field we're talking here obviously know I think some
• 1:04:53
  of it is the intimidation Factor where they see it as a
• 1:04:55
  male-dominated field. Certainly.
• 1:04:57
  And so we mentioned what I went into in college, I went into a
• 1:05:01
  very male-dominated field, which is graphic design.
• 1:05:04
  I went to computers, which was also very male-dominated, so I
• 1:05:08
  think part of me just keeps going in real dominated fields
• 1:05:12
  and I don't know why, it's like a male-dominated field and track
• 1:05:16
  and field coaching in general, seems to be a male-dominated.
• 1:05:19
  Good thing and so women just kind of feel intimidated and
• 1:05:24
  women in general, be like, oh there's somebody there already.
• 1:05:26
  I don't want to like, push them out right away.
• 1:05:30
  Sometimes were a little too nice, when they don't think that
• 1:05:34
  they have the qualifications. And this is something we've been
• 1:05:37
  talking about in our mentorship program, is you need to not sell
• 1:05:40
  yourself short, you have the qualifications to do this, and
• 1:05:43
  you need to go out there and help kids.
• 1:05:46
  And when you start thinking about it, as helping these
• 1:05:48
  athletes to Achieve their goals, we're getting more more women
• 1:05:52
  coming out for that. What can I ask you to speak for
• 1:05:58
  the other side? The guys, what can we do?
• 1:06:02
  As administrators current track coaches, who are male, what can
• 1:06:07
  we do again? I don't know if I don't know if
• 1:06:10
  encourages the right word, but maybe it is.
• 1:06:12
  What can we do to help? I don't I don't want to increase
• 1:06:18
  the number of women coaches. If it's just a fake increase,
• 1:06:21
  meaning like I'm forcing women to coach, they don't really want
• 1:06:24
  to coach but we need women but I do want to make sure that, you
• 1:06:28
  know, we are leading in making sure that women know that the
• 1:06:31
  door is open. Like if you want to coach track
• 1:06:34
  and field and your woman that potential is there and it's
• 1:06:38
  needed. So what can administrators and
• 1:06:41
  coaches do to show or make sure that the door is Is open for
• 1:06:47
  that potential for a female candidate.
• 1:06:49
  Well, I can speak to this. As far as what I've been doing
• 1:06:52
  even with my kids, like all have kids, start in ninth grade and
• 1:06:56
  then hopefully to 12th grade. By the time they get to 11th or
• 1:06:59
  12th grade, I put them into those coaching positions with
• 1:07:02
  the younger athletes. Hmm, the ones that show an
• 1:07:04
  aptitude for it then I'm you know, trying to encourage them
• 1:07:07
  to go into coaching programs to like keep going and pass their
• 1:07:10
  knowledge on. So I've had a few that have
• 1:07:11
  taken me up on that they like enjoy the coaching thing and
• 1:07:14
  find that, that's something they like I think it's something that
• 1:07:17
  we can introduce it at the high school level that's when they
• 1:07:19
  were taking all their leadership classes and whatnot.
• 1:07:22
  That's an aptitude that they have to get more women coaches
• 1:07:29
  into it earlier on and encourage the athletes that are retiring
• 1:07:33
  to become female coaches out there.
• 1:07:36
  But I think starting them young because I think that's where I
• 1:07:40
  started. You know, I started coaching
• 1:07:42
  high school and found. I enjoyed it, enjoy.
• 1:07:46
  Helping somebody else, reach their goals and throw far, the
• 1:07:49
  excitement of seeing a kid, you know, throw far was really worth
• 1:07:53
  it. And, you know, you've still got
• 1:07:54
  a deal with the down days and figure out how to do that.
• 1:07:57
  And that, that's a continuing effort.
• 1:07:59
  But introducing them early, it's just like introducing kids are
• 1:08:03
  only two sports. They won't know.
• 1:08:04
  They've got aptitude for it unless they actually get it
• 1:08:06
  reduced. Yeah.
• 1:08:08
  You know, I just kind of thought of something as you were saying
• 1:08:12
  that, you said that really well, because earlier, I said that
• 1:08:15
  there seems to be more women interested in becoming teachers.
• 1:08:19
  Well, if that's the truth and half of our attract participants
• 1:08:23
  are girls in high school level, well that means those half the
• 1:08:27
  men, I should say the majority, a good number, the highly
• 1:08:30
  likelihood of those girl track and field athletes.
• 1:08:33
  In high school are going on to become a teacher in some form or
• 1:08:36
  fashion. Well, that means that there's a
• 1:08:38
  high likelihood that there's a track team for them to be a
• 1:08:40
  coach at and we as coaches both men and women.
• 1:08:45
  Or hopefully doing a really good job of encouraging our athletes,
• 1:08:48
  whether it's in the athletic realm or the academic realm,
• 1:08:51
  maybe it's one more step. If we know of a, we're coaching
• 1:08:54
  high school and we have a girl athlete who is going to go on to
• 1:08:58
  college and become an education. Major.
• 1:09:00
  Maybe we need to add one more step of encouraging that, hey,
• 1:09:02
  you're going to become a teacher.
• 1:09:03
  That's awesome. You know, you kind of love this
• 1:09:05
  track stuff, you should really consider also coaching track one
• 1:09:08
  day is yeah, that's just kind of is you were talking as I
• 1:09:12
  connected the dots of some of the things I said.
• 1:09:13
  You said it's like, oh, maybe it's just just more
• 1:09:15
  encouragement of like, hey, this is a possibility for you.
• 1:09:18
  You did track. You might, you know, if you
• 1:09:20
  really, you don't have to. But if you loved it like that
• 1:09:22
  me. Awesome.
• 1:09:23
  If you helped out other girls to wherever you, become a teacher
• 1:09:26
  at, or become a professor, and we're going to just be a
• 1:09:29
  full-time Collegiate track coach as well.
• 1:09:31
  That's, that's obviously an option out there as well.
• 1:09:35
  There's a lot of, you know, men will start coaching early like
• 1:09:38
  most of my guys, I don't need to even encourage them to start
• 1:09:40
  coaching, like, they'll be at with me, for six months, and I
• 1:09:43
  like, I know this stuff. I'm going to go coach this kid
• 1:09:48
  and most of my girls don't just assume that I'm like, you can go
• 1:09:50
  coach them. You know, it's a cultural thing
• 1:09:55
  to it is what I used to say. I liked coaching women more than
• 1:10:00
  I did in men and the reason being when I coached men, every
• 1:10:04
  one of them thought they were going to win the gold medal.
• 1:10:06
  So I almost had to like knock them off their perch.
• 1:10:09
  It's like man, you don't even practice good enough to make the
• 1:10:11
  squad what he time, I went real well, but on the women's side,
• 1:10:15
  even though I had some highly talented, Ida 22-foot, 44 ft,
• 1:10:18
  long jump, triple jump or a woman and she ever They thought
• 1:10:22
  she wouldn't even make our conference.
• 1:10:23
  Meet them like your All-American.
• 1:10:25
  I think he was always building up and I enjoyed building up,
• 1:10:29
  people more than taking them off their pedestal if you will.
• 1:10:33
  So I think you know, that attitude needs to continue on
• 1:10:36
  from the get-go with our coaching.
• 1:10:39
  It's like, man, we need to continue to uplift people and if
• 1:10:42
  they, you see, aptitude in someone as a teacher because
• 1:10:45
  that's what a coach is, or someone who's has passion for
• 1:10:48
  track and field. I think maybe we just need to do
• 1:10:51
  a Actively societal better job of encouraging and building.
• 1:10:55
  The Muckle like, hey, you know, what's a possibility for you?
• 1:10:57
  You could be a track coach one day.
• 1:10:58
  That's, that's definitely, you know, it's Taboo, it's not
• 1:11:01
  outside of your right, you know, you're not not allowed to do
• 1:11:04
  that, and it's absolutely something that you could do to
• 1:11:06
  make Society. Better is becoming a track and
• 1:11:08
  field coach. Well, and I've got one girl
• 1:11:11
  right now who had the same kind of attitude, your girl did where
• 1:11:13
  she didn't think she was good enough and I'm over here trying
• 1:11:16
  to push it towards Legions which is our Elite high schoolers,
• 1:11:20
  like you 16 u18. It's Their Nationals and
• 1:11:23
  national team has paid for if you make the legion standard,
• 1:11:27
  like and that last year, it was out in Quebec or New Brunswick
• 1:11:31
  or something. So, it was a flight and hotel
• 1:11:33
  and everything and she's like oh I don't know if I'm good enough.
• 1:11:37
  Our provincial championships which are the equivalent of
• 1:11:39
  state and she wins all three events and I was like, I told
• 1:11:42
  you you were good enough and she hit standard in one of those
• 1:11:46
  events are there. Wow.
• 1:11:49
  And so, she ended up hitting standard and too.
• 1:11:52
  Out of her three events and almost hit standard.
• 1:11:53
  And the last one, the standards are set.
• 1:11:54
  So high that if you hit them, you're going to medal at
• 1:11:56
  Nationals for the paid teams. Because, you know, your they're
• 1:12:00
  paying for the kids and I want to just pay for the place by
• 1:12:03
  right. But it's funny because then I've
• 1:12:05
  got, you know, a boy who's over here.
• 1:12:06
  Like I'm going to break the National Record.
• 1:12:08
  He set marks out 65, and he's thrown pretty right now.
• 1:12:14
  The boys are not lacking in the confidence.
• 1:12:16
  Department are good enough and like she's the daughter of a one
• 1:12:20
  of our Olympian Bass. Football players.
• 1:12:22
  So she's got like Olympian in her blood here.
• 1:12:24
  Genetics. Yeah, I can't beat that.
• 1:12:26
  Yeah. Just want to.
• 1:12:27
  She's a fantastic athlete. Like I had one a few years back.
• 1:12:31
  That was another 14. Girls.
• 1:12:34
  I just like had all this aptitude and all these Sports
• 1:12:36
  and it's just like I see the potential.
• 1:12:39
  It's coming. Like we're going to, we could
• 1:12:41
  get full ride scholarships down to the States if you want to go.
• 1:12:45
  Hey, that right there is the superpower of a coach.
• 1:12:48
  The ability to see something in someone else before they can see
• 1:12:51
  it themselves. So the ability to see like oh
• 1:12:53
  man, your rat. They are you absolutely can have
• 1:12:57
  full scholarship, you can do this and then you got to deal
• 1:13:00
  with the how do we take? Just a little bit of that
• 1:13:02
  confidence from the mail. Sometime, just a little bit,
• 1:13:04
  don't even take it all, just to sprinkle back over here on the
• 1:13:08
  women's side and, you know, maybe the world would be
• 1:13:11
  amazing. I'm so proud and happy of you
• 1:13:13
  Rachel because somewhere, someone sprinkle the confidence
• 1:13:16
  on you to give you the confidence to go into your
• 1:13:19
  academic world that you want into.
• 1:13:22
  To the obviously, the throne world and that you're still
• 1:13:24
  throwing today. I mean that to me, says a lot,
• 1:13:27
  you know, we talk a lot about track and field being a lifelong
• 1:13:29
  Sport and you're actually living that out, even with much more
• 1:13:36
  other more important responsibilities coming along as
• 1:13:39
  we as we watch throwing. See, you just can't help it
• 1:13:42
  either, throw it, they just want to throw their own thing.
• 1:13:46
  Well, I think my grandparents were kind of once it's sprinkled
• 1:13:48
  that into me because they were super supportive of all my track
• 1:13:50
  stuff and like, always Asking about it.
• 1:13:53
  And, you know, I made it to the Olympics yet.
• 1:13:59
  Come on. That is awesome.
• 1:14:01
  I love it. I love it.
• 1:14:02
  Well, Rachel you are an olympic-level mom, and, you
• 1:14:06
  know, that is one of the most important roles that you have
• 1:14:09
  out of the many, many roles that you have of, you know, wife and
• 1:14:12
  professional and thrower and Coach mom, certainly ranks boy,
• 1:14:17
  if it ain't number one, I don't know what is for you out there
• 1:14:21
  and I'm just so thankful for first of all, for you being here
• 1:14:24
  today, taking time out of out of you're obviously busy schedule
• 1:14:29
  to see. This will be the podcast that I
• 1:14:31
  show the people when they tell me, they're too busy to record.
• 1:14:33
  I'm like you know what? She wasn't too busy come on but
• 1:14:38
  just so thankful again for your authenticity on the social media
• 1:14:42
  world as well. I think it's super super helpful
• 1:14:45
  for people men and women alike to see that, you know, there
• 1:14:49
  what real world is and guess what real world can absolutely.
• 1:14:52
  Be a part of coding in that real world as well.
• 1:14:55
  So I'm just so thankful for you Rachel.
• 1:14:58
  Well, I appreciate you having me on.
• 1:14:59
  Like, it's real honor and those not expected at all.
• 1:15:03
  Well, we have a common friend in this anti, throw something
• 1:15:08
  right. Let me talk about another just
• 1:15:10
  positive light in this world, other podcast Alum, as well.
• 1:15:14
  And actually, she is, you know, Auntie throw something.
• 1:15:17
  I don't know if you know, how big of a deal she is, but here's
• 1:15:20
  how big of a deal she is. Is out of the two hundred and
• 1:15:24
  sixteen episodes that we have out there in the podcast world,
• 1:15:28
  she is a top tenor, she is in the top 10 of all podcast
• 1:15:33
  episodes and I think that's a real Testament to her story,
• 1:15:37
  which is amazing, but also just our Guiding Light of positivity
• 1:15:41
  and love and reaching out and, you know, just care for others
• 1:15:45
  that she has. So, I'm glad we have that friend
• 1:15:48
  in common because that's a that's a good friend to have.
• 1:15:51
  Well, I'm speaking of Buddy, who's a good follow?
• 1:15:53
  Like, she's always got positive stuff going on each other up.
• 1:15:57
  I don't know how much time she spends his on Twitter but she's
• 1:16:00
  find all these people. The build-up and and shout out
• 1:16:04
  to so, thank goodness for people like top 10.
• 1:16:09
  Right? Exactly, exactly.
• 1:16:11
  Okay, well, Rachel thanks for being here on the Gill
• 1:16:13
  connections podcast again. So thankful for your time, you
• 1:16:16
  know, I know how busy you are, you know, having two of my own,
• 1:16:19
  not that young anymore, I survived.
• 1:16:21
  And that time period is a father.
• 1:16:23
  But but again, so thankful for you.
• 1:16:25
  Spend some time with us. Thank you for being here.
• 1:16:27
  I love your shirt. Yeah, thank you.
• 1:16:31
  Yeah. You're a star already.
• 1:16:32
  I know. Look at that smile.
• 1:16:33
  Yeah, here we go. Just keep throwing, just go a
• 1:16:37
  little farther back, just keep throwing.
• 1:16:38
  Okay. Nice.
• 1:16:39
  Throw and everything right now. I think the hammer the most so
• 1:16:42
  I'm in trouble. Yeah, I love.
• 1:16:45
  It's okay. I know, I know.
• 1:16:49
  Can you tell everybody bye? Bye.
• 1:16:51
  Can you say? Don't have that word yet but
• 1:16:55
  you'll wave her first word is gonna be like hammer, or
• 1:16:59
  something like that. It'll be great.
• 1:17:02
  Rachel, thank you so much. We do appreciate you being here.
• 1:17:05
  Have an awesome week, okay. Thank you.
• 1:17:07
  Thank you. Absolutely.
• 1:17:08
  And thank you for being here and listening.
• 1:17:10
  What a great episode. I knew this was going to be a
• 1:17:12
  lot of fun. So I knew we were going to have
• 1:17:13
  a CO guest. That would that would wake up
• 1:17:16
  and get to talk to us here for a little bit.
• 1:17:18
  So I'm so happy that she got to be.
• 1:17:21
  Oh that was almost Ahead bud, mom move.
• 1:17:22
  I've had those man. Yeah, but so thankful that you'd
• 1:17:26
  be here again listening to us, join us next week here on the
• 1:17:29
  guild track and field connections podcast and we'll
• 1:17:31
  bring you another outstanding coach have a great week
• 1:17:33
  everybody.