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Rewind: Kaiser Chiefs & Teenage Fanclub on the Long Game of Britpop Survival · Kyle Meredith With...

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  [SPEAKER_06]: That's me Kyle Meredith today.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: It's a special rewind episode.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: We're going to look back at a couple couple interviews I had with some favorite bands, Kaiser Chiefs and Teenage Fan Club.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: My Kaiser Chiefs interview comes from 2014, Ricky Wilson, Simon Ricks.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: They had a drop by to talk about their comeback moments on education, education, education, and war.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: That was a name of that album.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: We got the talk about finding purpose again after line up changes, learning not to play it safe, rediscovering the joy of being a band that still had something to say.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: And so that's what we're going to start.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I'll tell you about my interview with Norma Blake of teenage fan club here in just a bit.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: But starting with part one of this rewind episode, it's Kyle Meredith with Ricky Wilson, Simon Riggs of Kaiser Chiefs.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's nice to be back in America doing some shows again.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, what's nice to have you back?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there was that moment there, but we weren't sure that we were going to have you back.
• 2:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: There was a moment where we thought we weren't going to have you back.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But then when you have, when it's in danger of being taken away from you, you get, you start realizing how much you want it.
• 2:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Phoenix rising from the ash.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like a child with a toy being taken away.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: No, I don't think it's rising for me that's much more.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I know you're a much more poetic sure Let's let's go with that one.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's true and it really get really a lit of fire in any yeah No, that that's good.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: That's good because I mean you guys were you kind of a such important part of the last decade musically
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, there was a sound and a time and a place and if you can get latched onto that and I guess it's kind of too full too.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: It's a double edge sword rather because one hand you get time stamped and in the other hand, you know, but you've got that overcome that, right?
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Definitely, I think that's what we've done on this record really.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I think, uh...
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  [SPEAKER_04]: We were in danger of being like, yeah, I have to try it and really be an honest assumption that sort of time were really great and, uh, come back to America, it's just like, I really don't want gigs out of that, but, it was great to sort of see the audience and they do know, you know, do know I have to do it right and they do know I will be there with us last and really be as tough and sort of, you sort of, because we're not really big in America, so sort of think that no one's ever heard of us all here, but actually, it's quite good to come back and feel like, like we've, you know, done a bit of, you know, there's a bit of music history here as well, but anyway, that's the point.
• 3:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: So yeah, we felt like this not to trade on past glories, you know what I mean, I think that's important to us to have a career and to sort of keep writing.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: And so we were number one in England and that was a really big sort of moment for us because it was seven years of it after a yeah, last number one.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Wow.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that shit does shows that we're sort of Yeah, I mean it wasn't down Also not just being a band but life in general is about overcoming stuff And that's what makes it career, you know, I mean it's the ups and downs and And you know it's great for those guys that just have ups But then it just explodes at the end of that And I know that many bands that just have ups that Yeah, we've been talking a lot about you know friends I've been here with them for sure again because they just disappear
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  [SPEAKER_03]: like Dylan had a bad decade, that was a bad 10 years you know and you know you just have to look at other people and you have to go so what you know so an album didn't necessarily stick to the wall it's not a reason to give up but it's something broken you fix it you don't try to lie so we fix it
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  [SPEAKER_06]: You did an education, education and war.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: You've made it really fun for DJs like me.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I was a fun everyone around everybody's penance is it differently.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: It's only like, oh yeah, actually three words.
• 4:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay, five words.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: That's only three.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: It's just two hundred repeat.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know, everyone says it differently, I think it's a decision.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're, yeah, it's got a good, well that's the fact that you're making more, yeah, I mean it's gonna have a nickname at some point.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We're really sure ourselves in the foot without, because it's not good on Twitter, you know, you're gonna write a hashtag that I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But then the thing is this is a part of our new philosophy which was in the past which shy away from doing things that we thought were,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: had any element of risk to it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Then you realise that that's what makes you boring and doing stuff that you think well that's what we want to do so let's do that and we wanted to call it that so we got what that's called it that don't worry about I mean do about it times we thought of titles then kind of try to think about the review and how they could change it or twist it to make a pun which was negative about us and then you kind of just go you know what they're going to do it they're going to do it so don't worry about we're not writing a record for them.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We're writing it for people, we're writing it for, you know, hopefully for everybody.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: That's really interesting here, you say that because you're not wanting to take chances because when I hear your music and especially when I go back to think about the first time that I heard riot or dancer or any of those, I mean, those were chances, those were, you know, those weren't just like everything else.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: That wasn't the safe side.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I think back to 2005 and we were kind of having a musical revolution, you know, I think that you guys were part of this
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  [SPEAKER_03]: unofficial club that was happening but but it wasn't you know you could have just as easily wrote the big nickel back song and think God you didn't you know these these were chances but yeah it's a funny thing isn't it because I I really don't want to be one of those people and bands that ever kind of talks about a pastel and like it was really battering it but I do think in some ways we did take the edges off and I don't know why we did that it was about I mean we might have compromised at some point trying to do what we thought we should be doing
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  [SPEAKER_03]: do naturally and when we came back to make this record, we just, it was so much like it was just like when it was the first rehearsal.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It felt like it was not in a kind of way away ago.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I felt like it was really bad again because everyone says that because that's what we're supposed to say.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But it literally wasn't new band because we didn't know how we were doing because we'd lost a member and he was very important.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't just, you know, that
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  [SPEAKER_06]: But he was I mean he was a part of the last record with medieval and I mean so so even it seems like regardless of of how that break up happened it feels like everybody was a bit directionless Like once that you versus him directionless, it's you know that album really did I mean as a big fan of I am it was even the point where I was going I wonder what they're up to right now
• 7:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: We didn't really know, I mean, the reason we really wanted to carry on and losing interest then, about being in the band, and so we came up with the idea, you know, the setting on the internet, and you can choose drugs, basically the way of kind of getting him excited about it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And because he was
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know if he knew what, I mean, a lot of bands lose sight of who they are and what they want to be and I think at that point he had done that but when we kind of regroup we realise that it's you don't have to think about it too much, you just have to make noises until the ones you like.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a good model right there.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, I think there was the point where I saw it.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: It was a different record in the UK that it was.
• 8:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, okay.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: And you got to think something's wrong there.
• 8:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: It got massively massively complicated.
• 8:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's sort of seemed in keeping with the record to have a different in America, because the whole plan was that everybody's record would be different.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: And it was quite released in America.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, like even stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: It was just...
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't even want that to be a physical record then there has to be a record but why does they have to be a physical record nowadays because nowadays no vice physical record so it's like it was really complicated and even I started not being able to answer questions interviews I didn't know what was going on.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: So, so you've got the brakes on, yeah.
• 8:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That's an excellent extent.
• 8:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: musically, you could kind of tell what we've been listening to that morning.
• 8:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Every song, everything.
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It was, it was, it was, yeah, directions.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But some sort, I mean, that's great.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's great.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's amazing.
• 9:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Abunders louds just do it out, that they don't really know what they're doing.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: In order to find the path again, you know.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: I think it was where we were at the time as well.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: The whole thing is where we were at the time, which was something we were a little bit direction.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: That's something we experimented with, a few track of fine, what we wanted to do and everything, but I think without that record, there wouldn't be this record because when we kind of convened to do this record straight away, the plan was do a CD, do like tell 11 tracks, do 45 minutes of music, you know, and then just make it quite traditional and
• 9:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: going be a band writer record in rehearsal room together, you know, not just sort of like someone jammed something and then we sort of go into a studio and like add a little bit and then that's finished.
• 9:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: And there's the excitement and I will that's exactly, definitely a book and let's do it now and like if we'd have played that for two weeks, it would be a better song that we'd released different way.
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  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, we'll be right back right after this.
• 9:58
  [SPEAKER_06]: Welcome back.
• 9:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's Kyle Moordith with Kaiser Chiefs.
• 10:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it's about, I don't want to kick back on about that record because I don't you know what's the call in America.
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: The thing is, it's, we don't want to be one of those bands that digs the heel and look at heels on the ground and goes, we're not going to evolve, because if you don't evolve, you just, you get, you know, you won't survive, right?
• 10:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we wanted to evolve, so we were doing something different.
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it took doing something different to make us realise that some of the rules about making records aren't just rules that you have to digeals and live by.
• 10:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: They exist for a reason, like we suddenly would like looking at our favourite records and they were all between 42 and 45 minutes long, and even if it was a double hour, then like the wall, both sides were 42.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is a reason for this.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a reason there's 10 to 12 tracks.
• 10:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's evolved to be like her and it's good and although we don't want to be saying that you can't release music in any other way We kind of fell back and love with making a record for a record say and even when we The songs are getting finished in this year I think all of us kind of without talking about new Their place on the record like tracklisting-wise.
• 11:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: They just kind of fell into position It started like making sense and it was and without having to force it
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it was because that's because we'd spent the previous 12 months really for us and it was high and it was really, you know, it was a tough year but we both agreed we would never have more of a rewarding year than we'd had right in this month.
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's really interesting to bring the science of songwriting too because it is something about like, you know, how do we get from classical music to jazz to the three and a half minute pop song because that's what we want to hear with the repeating chorus and and you have, so you take that mold, there is a mold and there is a structure and there is parameters
• 11:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: You're going to have to work with it.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like during that year we sort of learnt a little bit about more about songwriting in terms of, I think when we're unemployment, I think we wrote quite instinctively, we just like we really don't really do.
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then when you get more experience, whatever, you sort of, as you say, so it starts second-guessing yourself and try to work things out, you know, but then I think it's important to sort of, you know,
• 12:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: know some of the rules, but then be able to ignore them if you're not being caught in an album.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: But then not trying to be right.
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  [SPEAKER_04]: Not trying to just be do something interesting.
• 12:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm putting you know for the sake of it.
• 12:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's got to have a reason, but then you want people to listen to it and you want people to be on the radio.
• 12:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: So you've got to sort of hand it to that little bit.
• 12:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you've also got to think what do you like and there's an element of us when we went to a festival.
• 12:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: We want to see the band who you could sing along to and jump along to and enjoy that way.
• 12:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so many people try and be what they think they want to be and not what they want to be.
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And in many ways, I don't want to sound pretentious, but I think one of the hardest outforms is writing a pop song that can appeal to
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know 50,000 people have failed all at the same time without being bland.
• 12:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because that's it Usually the tipping point with a lot of pop music is like, oh, we've made it Yeah, I think you listen if you look at the some of the best pop music around and like like you get lucky to Raw it's actually really interesting and and yeah, I do think Raw is really interesting
• 13:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's not, I'm not gonna argue that.
• 13:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: But it is, it's great.
• 13:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: But so that's, you know, we're talking about some writing.
• 13:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: And that was kind of the press release before that.
• 13:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's like, okay, so you guys had to, you know, you lose your songwriter, the guy who's supposedly the songwriter and everything, and I don't know the ins and outs of that part.
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: But, but it almost makes it sound like, oh no, we have to learn how to write songs because this album,
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it is, there's a distinction.
• 13:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's the Kaiser Chiefs, but it sounds like something different.
• 13:41
  [SPEAKER_06]: So I've gotten right here, it's the first post-greatest hits album.
• 13:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 13:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: And that happens with a lot of bands.
• 13:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: Once you get, once you decide, okay, here's our greatest hits, time passes, here's our next record.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: You get that, it's like, okay, here's a new band, it's the same band, but it's a new band.
• 13:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: And you know, what was it because if someone else through the years is kind of supplying you, like, okay, here's our back to songs, was there ever that point where you guys have
• 14:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just think that we had a, we saw as a clean slate, I think, the greatest hit thing and also nicknamed it and all what's of things, lots of timing things that came together at 10 years together and things like that.
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think we saw it as a total clean slate and we can do what we want and there's no, there's a little bit of like, we don't want to just totally shun the kind of chiefs identity entirely, but we wanted to, we were at, I'd be about as a country being.
• 14:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: We can do what we wanted, so right what we wanted and I think,
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: What's a few press-out because of the stuff about Nick Griner, all the songs and other things, sort of thing.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: He just made his sort of fuel the fire, I think he and everybody, so we just thought they were underwriting what we'd put in the band for 10 years and we set out to prove them all wrong.
• 14:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Learing it right now.
• 14:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it was great, you know what I mean?
• 14:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's always good to prove everyone around.
• 14:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what you're in the band for.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: We didn't even really, I mean, the part of Nick, we didn't really want to bring out
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel it was the right time, but Nick knew he was leaving, so it was a good thing for him, it was like It's not tied up.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, put a bonnet.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sure.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
• 15:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, it's a great greatest hit by the way.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: You guys got some good singles, so it was awesome moments.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's really good.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: We just didn't really want it to come out at that time, and it was kind of good, but it did in the end.
• 15:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I feel that I'd, yeah, it's a very good thing for that man, because it was all
• 15:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's one of the things where, you know, at the time it feels like the worst thing that can happen, but then you look back and actually it was probably the best thing to happen to us.
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And every one was doing this for massive favor in making that happen because it pushed us on to make this thing.
• 15:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: I think it's fantastic.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: The new record.
• 15:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: Again, education, education, education, and more.
• 15:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's such a better.
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 15:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: I like it.
• 15:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: No, seriously guys.
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you so much for jumping in here.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you very much.
• 15:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you very much.
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: Thank you very much.
• 15:59
  [SPEAKER_06]: Welcome back.
• 16:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's Kyle Manard's special rewind episode, now we cut to three years later, Norman Blake of Teenage Fan Club, jumped on the phone with me just as Brexit was breaking to reflect on optimism of aging gracefully and rock and crafting the album here, it was a record about love.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_06]: and contentment in uncertain times.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: So part two of this special rewind episode is Kyle Meredith with Norman Blake of Teenage Fan Club.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, Kyle, how you doing?
• 16:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm well, how are you?
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've been better.
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I might say lost in the referendum last night, Brexit.
• 16:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I was ever mean.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think there are still a few twists and turns before anything.
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Actually happens though.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: I've been watching it too and judging from your Twitter feed, I think you and I are on the same level of shocked that this happened at all.
• 17:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's crazy.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was David Cameron trying to appease the far right of the Conservatives party in the UK by thinking that he can, you know, offering the referendum to those people he would be able to shut them up.
• 17:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's completely bike-fired on him, you know.
• 17:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: But like I say, having said, there's a very interesting article in today's Guardian,
• 17:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's a very interesting read because he's basically saying, hang on, this is good, you know, Cameron's going to resume in three months, so nothing's going to happen for at least three months, but like many of these politics is politics, so who knows what's going to happen?
• 17:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Who knows what they believe agreement will be?
• 17:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe, maybe, of very soft agreement, if you have to see four of them saying, you know, we may, you know, you know, we will be
• 17:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the agreement that we have with the rest of you in terms of travel, etc.
• 18:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I think it's, well, we're not at the end of this whole thing yet.
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: A long way to go.
• 18:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's scary, and it's sad.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, this may be the most dreamer thing I say today, maybe.
• 18:15
  [SPEAKER_06]: But, you know,
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: I don't know.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_06]: It feels like we're in 2016.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: How is it that we're still in a part like if you're up to me just to be done with like border lines and countries and all of that stuff.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, you know the way the world you know the way the internet set us up to be worldwide anyway.
• 18:29
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's like and here it feels like
• 18:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I mean, we're dealing with an America, too, where you've got a guy saying, build a wall, and that's what this feels like, suddenly, they're saying, put a one around us, keep everybody out.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's a bloody squaseman, too, but yeah, I agree with you, actually.
• 18:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, but use the thing, in a way, you shouldn't get surprised that the
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: All you have is a lot of all the people here who have voted because of xenophobia and fear of the unknown or what they are perceived from foreigners, you know, stupidly really, but when they're pulled in the opinion polls, we know it's kind of morally repugnant to be xenophobic.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: So they would have said, oh, yeah, I'm a remain because you know, like everyone, you know.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: But when I actually come to people, you're in that put that polling booth, and you have to give them privacy, you have privacy.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can really exactly what you think.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's the democracy of workers.
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I like to say, I think it's normal.
• 19:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: When I do look at the demographic, there's a lot of all those people who are really kind of voted on younger people, the future of younger people.
• 19:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Most of the highest lead vote was in over 65.
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you think what's the best one?
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, you guys aren't going to be around in 25 years.
• 19:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: But someone has 18, they've got a long way
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to say, you know, as politics or things can change, I'm definitely an optimist when it comes to these kind of things.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think there will be an agreement that will be workable and who knows we may be back in there at some point.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Probably not in my life, but maybe in my life, I'm an optimist and I think maybe we need
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: The threat from the people on the far right.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: I mean, I hope you're right, I hope it does turn around and hopefully sooner than later and this coming from a court someone who doesn't even live there, but as I said, you know, it's not a complete parallel, but I do see, you know, similar things happening.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I agree.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be pretty interesting to see what the result of the U.S. for the digital election is.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you know, I think the guy's such a buffoon, surely he's going to completely blow it.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I just can't see that guy in the way it is.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, I just hope you got an issue of, you know, what you were just saying about people saying one thing and then getting in the voting booth and actually doing another like that's that's what I'm scared of that's what I'm scared of
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: perhaps I think there are enough Republicans that don't like that guy who are going to see you know what I normally I would like to have a Republican in the way I'm not him, you know right I think I just think those people are there I really do I just think they're not going to have it not him that this isn't what we're about you know well by the way so you never know I just think that you've got the right idea by living in Canada and just being a part of it well yeah yeah yeah yeah we've just put it in the level party
• 21:26
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was funny though and I wanted so obviously I want to tie this back around because teenage fan club have a new record coming out in September called here.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_06]: Congratulations.
• 21:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: It is your 10th album.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: But I will say tying these two together that while I was learning about the results last night of Brexit, I was listening to the album and I heard the darkest part of the night was playing while I heard the results.
• 21:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: Oh my god, this works so well
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go.
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hadn't even thought about that.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but we had to tell them a few months early and maybe the BBC could have been playing as it was, you know, broadcasting the results.
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_06]: You've been living in a bad dream.
• 22:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's certainly, yeah.
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think what it was great for us, you know, it was almost six years since our last LP, so it's, it feels good that we have something eventually releaseable and we're about to
• 22:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: We played at the March 25th anniversary during North Carolina a couple of years ago, and then we've done like one or two other shows, but that's about it, so it's going to be exciting to be able to turn again last, you know?
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: from where you guys are and so there were six years between this album and there was five years between the records between there you know I know that you're a band that's very spread out at this point you know what is it that still brings you guys back together because we're talking 30 years and if you weren't in a band there's a good chance that you just wouldn't see these people anymore they were just be people of your past but everything that brings you back in like what is that thing
• 23:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 23:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think we can't see too much of each other, so we see enough of each other.
• 23:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: We all still go on well.
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're not friends and the sense that we all hang out all the time.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: But we are still friends, we're speaking terms.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: But we're not in each other's pockets all the time.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like you say, I'm over here in Canada and the other guys in Glasgow.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so we, I don't know, we've just, I think we've only ever worked when we feel that we have something to see or, you know, and you know, we haven't forced, we've not tried to make music for the sake of making music, to make money or whatever we've always just done what we've wanted to do.
• 23:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so we've worked our own, our own pace.
• 23:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And much of that is in our shop, you know, we take as a bit of time to get going.
• 24:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: You said that's certainly the case for the last few records.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the most important thing with it is that you enjoy working with the musicians that you're working with.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's very important for us anyway as individuals.
• 24:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we would make music just for the sake of their, you know, that there's a bank balance.
• 24:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: Right.
• 24:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: You talk about only getting together when you have something to say.
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's such a nice record because, you know, for whatever darkness is happening in the world.
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is an album.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_06]: Seemingly about love and about life.
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, as you go, all of you become a little more philosophical and start to reflect.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, as you're moving towards retirement, listen to me too.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: be that people of a rage against and with them, you know, relationships, you know, you're placed in the world, wherever, you know, the future, and hopefully it's not pessimistic vision.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like, yeah, I'm certainly a fairly optimistic person, I think, you know.
• 25:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: But for a singleist, you know, I'm in love, and I'm thinking like,
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: You're writing about, or whoever wrote this, so I don't know if it was you were one of the others.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's one of the main things.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: Great song, and I'm thinking, all right, so you've written a love song.
• 25:23
  [SPEAKER_06]: Something that's been done more than anything else in pop music.
• 25:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: Is it that?
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did.
• 25:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was really trying to be sincere.
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think for the often, as a songwriter.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually, in anything, people are reluctant to share the true feelings.
• 25:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: They're very often, that's the case.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: There are exceptions, people like Daniel Johnson, I think just as everything they think, you know, you know, you have no filter in the way.
• 25:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: But most of us, and especially as we all think that we tend towards the conservative to them with a small sea, and our less willing to share our feelings, that seems to me that that the people are like that.
• 26:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so with that song, it was just an attempt to say exactly how I felt about another person.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, just to be sincere and honest.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I try to write most of my songs about my relationship with my wife and, you know, and I guess, you know, how the future prospects and...
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: for our dreams and struggles and struggles that are so much like, you know, things that we deal with in life, you know, be that paying rent from month to month or wherever, you know.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I just write that, I think it's wise to write something that you know, and that's really all I know.
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: In a way, you know, I just, I can relate to my life and how I experience it, and hopefully
• 26:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm sure people can relate to the songs because, you know, pretty much, most of us are similar in a life, something like, you know, it's, you're completely right about that, too, because I'm listening to I'm in love, and it first, it comes off as just this little simple song, and then I find myself just listening and listening and, you know, it makes sense.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, you know, I think this, but I think in the, the first line in the second versus there is pain in this world I can see in your eyes.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's about seeing what someone, you know, and through all the hard things that happen in life and, you know, and, you know, I'm being in love with someone having someone that you can share.
• 27:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's very important, you know, and, you know, I like to say that I can only write about what I experience.
• 27:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's difficult for me to put myself in someone else's position or whatever so I think from you I feel was comfortable and I like I just wanted to be kind of honest in what I'm seeing as our son later.
• 28:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: How long have you guys been together now?
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well for just over 20 years that's when we met when we were making our wrong pre-album my wife Canadian.
• 28:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was working as the housekeeper of the Manor Studios in Oxford in England.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: She'd been traveling and I made her there.
• 28:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I need to press that.
• 28:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: at 20 years and she gets a song this lovely, still after all this time.
• 28:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: She did the artwork for the album as well, so that's beautiful.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: The wonderful.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 28:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: These were, we found in a, at first, stored here in Ontario.
• 28:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: We found sort of group of panels that someone had painted.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have no idea who the artist is.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's an amateur artist a little bit, they're very beautifully painted.
• 28:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we took a detail from that for the sleeves.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I hope we're very happy with that too.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 28:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: It definitely stands out against what I guess, I don't know what I'm saying, normal artwork might look like, you know.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's always interesting, a painting's always interesting, I think, you know, you can, there's detail, it's kind of, you know, as a definite image, but it's also kind of abstract as well with the brush strokes and the colors or whatever, you know, so I can like that about it.
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, working graduations on 20 years of marriage.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I was thinking about it because, you know, usually you hear of an artist that, you know, you have the whole one line of thinking that says, oh, you need pain to write a good song.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: And here you've had something that, you know, 20 years of marriage, and it's one of your best pop songs, you know, yes.
• 29:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd like to see what, you know, of the...
• 29:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a, you know, leaf and relationships aren't easy, I don't think anyone's relationship, so they have ups and downs and life isn't easy, it's up and down.
• 29:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it takes reflect that in my songs too, but that one though is, you know, I'm just saying to, I guess, talk about that aspect of, you know, I just, I'm being in love with someone just, you know, and wholeheartedly and completely aware of it.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's what I was trying to express there.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And of course, I had to be called Lyman Love because it just had to be, you know, that's the chorus lyric or whatever it just made sense to call about and not give an abstract title.
• 30:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: Which of the other songs are yours on this record?
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I saw there's the darkest part of the night, this is one of mine, the part of the other one is called I've got the test pressing gear, but of course the song titles aren't on there.
• 30:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me about kind of memory date and the name of my own song, let me think there's one.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll just give me one second, hang on, what are the other two songs?
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll get the out, I've got a copy of the artwork here somewhere.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's okay.
• 30:38
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• 31:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's sort of beat to that song.
• 31:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, no disrespect to the other guys, but every single song I've named checked on this record, and only the songs I've named checked are your songs.
• 31:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, wait, we'll do you go.
• 31:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what I've started.
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm flattered.
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I did.
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the great thing about having three was a rating.
• 31:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's kind of helps us remain together for such a long time, because if you think that you see a one song
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: 10 albums worth of material.
• 31:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's very difficult to maintain a reasonable standard.
• 31:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's hard at the best of times to write 8 songs.
• 31:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I think because we were at three years writing, it's helped us hopefully to maintain a reasonable standard in terms of the quality of the music on the record.
• 31:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I would like to thank some of you.
• 31:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, there's never been pressure on one of us individually to come up with all the material.
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's family as a way that we like to work.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's almost surprising how consistent the album sounds, too, because when you take another band of a similar situation like Sloan or Gomez or any of those who have those different writers, you can usually tell, you know, from song to song that there's a different person behind the board.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: But there's so much consistent, see, with yours, that if you had told me one person
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I guess when we set up to record the way, I guess it's sort of a merchandise by as old playing on each other's songs, I mean, I guess you could see it up for the other bands that you mentioned too.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I should maybe it's just the way that we make the records.
• 32:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: We tend to record all of the backing tracks at once, you know, do everything, and then we'll over double.
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: vocals after that, so that technically the set-up is similar for each thing in the main.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that helps to homogenize the sound a little, probably.
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I guess also we've been doing it so long that we'll influence each other and Jeremy play a song, and that will kick off an idea for me or Raymond or whatever, and vice versa.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, it's made for a beautiful album.
• 33:09
  [SPEAKER_06]: I do want to congratulate you 10 albums in 30 years.
• 33:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know it's amazing, isn't it?
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I know.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think something like five and the first five.
• 33:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: want to be free after that.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, as long as you keep making music, you can take as much time as you want to between, you know.
• 33:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess so, I'll get definitely.
• 33:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, like I said, it's great for us to have the record coming out.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's what we do.
• 33:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's what we've been doing for years.
• 33:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, it just feels natural to be moving into a phase of touring or whatever, that's going to be really great.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, um, for what it's worth.
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: I just, uh, the, the other day a few days ago talked to Frank Reader from a, oh, yeah.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah.
• 33:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: And there's another band, you know, they, they took their time between releases quite a bit more time than you did.
• 33:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: And it ends up, I think their greatest album of their entire career.
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_06]: So,
• 33:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have to imagine what they've spread for the repartments and we are frank so in the waste course Isn't it?
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so yeah, I will be up there.
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've only got the Atlantic Trust.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: Frank's got the, the, you know, the continent of North America and the Atlantic Trust, so they get together with those guys, so if it just takes a little bit more time to make the best music you can then you know have at it
• 34:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, once it's released, because there's nothing you can do about it, so you may as well make sure you get it.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're a sappy, you can be with it before you release it.
• 34:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's true.
• 34:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's very true.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_06]: Well, thank you for continuing to make the music.
• 34:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: And again, I love this album here, and it officially gets released in September.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_06]: And hopefully, there'll be lots and lots of tour dates on this side of the pond as well, so we can all see you over here.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: That would be great.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we know Jay, like for me, of course, this way when we turn North America, which I'm pretty excited about.
• 34:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: It's the little things, right?
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: Alright, they weren't.
• 34:47
  [SPEAKER_06]: It was great talking to you.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_06]: Yeah, likewise, thank you very much.
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_06]: Alright, I'll see you around.
• 34:52
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