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Talks to Jon & Eddie Arnold about their choice of The Ice Warriors (6/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt. Pen knife are doing quicker
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  quicker. Welcome back to Hamster Blunt
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  Pen Knife at the Doctor Who Commentary Podcast with me, the
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  President of the world and my 2 slaves.
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  Yes, Master. Yes.
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  And now? Let me.
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  Introduce. Let me introduce these slaves.
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  Let me introduce peasant. 1 John Arnold.
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  I'm I'm the miserable side of the site.
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  I'm I'm the I'm gripping the chef in this in this case.
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  Yeah, kill those spots now. And then hasn't to Mr. Joe Ford.
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  Hello Sir, Yes, I'm just breaking some rocks over here.
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  I'll I'll take you off your work break to watch an episode of
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  Doctor Who. Oh, thank you Sir.
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  Yes, Sir. Good episode, I hope.
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  Yes, it's the I4S episode 6. Oh, an absolutely delightful
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  episode at. Least it's the last one.
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  Shot it, Peasant 1. I mean, I can't wait to hear
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  where you're taken as next John off it's.
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  Your choice. It's your choice.
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  Peasant 2. You referred to him as Peasant
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  1. That's right.
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  Did you hear that, Peasant 2? You're peasant too.
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  Oh. Peasant.
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  One you you don't get ideas above your station, sunshine.
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  I'm the peasant one round. I'm the janitor peasant, all
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  right? I'm the one who cleans the
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  toilets. I'm the one who cleans the
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  spuds. What do we refer to you as, Sir?
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  The president. President.
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  OK, Well, do you want to count as in then, Mr. President?
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  And OK, again, because because third place on most listen to
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  podcasts the past year on Hanford Bump Pen Knife is the
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  best of three. Oh, I wondered what you were
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  saying when you said that. Now I get it.
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  Because at least first ranked it worse.
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  Good job. Brilliant bring.
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  It on next year things will be different.
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  Three. Yeah, I'll have all three top
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  places. 1.51 Go. Here we go.
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  May I say, Mr. President, how superbly you counted us in
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  there? Now hasn't to what do you what
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  do you think of this title sequence for chance and I know
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  we've talked about it. I mean, usually I like it a lot,
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  but there's the sort of scratchy 5th generation version.
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  They've put it on the BBC iPlayer.
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  That means I can't really see too much.
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  But I what you mean the fact that they did the unrestored
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  version? It's crazy, isn't it?
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  What do you think of that peasant 1?
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  I would quite like it. I've always liked it since I saw
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  it on the croutons. Unrestored version.
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  It no, that wasn't restored version back in 1981.
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  They didn't think of those things back then.
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  What was that? The version of croutons till
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  yeah. But what was that bizarre thing
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  that they did? Vidfire?
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  What was that? Yeah, it sharpened the picture.
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  Allegedly they did those in mid 90s, I think 6.
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  Let me have it. You don't.
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  Really need it at once. Oh God, is there a Doctor Who
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  episode without innuendo laden dialogue?
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  Not only a wheezing. Podcast No.
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  Quite right too. I mean, I I feel as if Zonda.
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  Yeah, the name is worthy of Chris Chibnall.
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  It's got AZ in. It.
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  You know it's a proper space name varga as well.
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  So we're saying that Christian is, is the Brian Hales of Doctor
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  Who, of model Doctor Who. Oh my God, look, the whole
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  fucking scene is. Falling.
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  Oh, here we go. Is it?
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  Is it Star Trek acting? You know that in the chairs.
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  I like the. Fact that you get all those sort
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  of polystyrene falling down, but most dramatically of all, the
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  chandelier starts falling. Well, that's a very British way
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  of doing this, isn't it? That's the crisis it it's the
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  same as in Carry On at the Khyber, which is the same year.
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  The very British way of doing it would be having some tea and
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  crumpets falling over. Well, this is what carry on at
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  the Khyber, does they? They have tipping while it's
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  while everything's being destroyed around them.
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  Oh. I love Tiffin.
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  Oh, that's gorgeous. Isn't it?
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  Maybe they'll have tea and crumpets at the end when it's
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  all over. That's a very civilized way.
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  No, no peasant, we're only getting bread and butter.
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  For dinner tonight. Bread and butter, Really.
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  I had better food in prison. Well, it's a shame you're not
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  going back there at. Least they serve me, Graw.
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  You wait. You see what I'm putting your
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  food, sunshine go. Oh, shut it, peasant ones.
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  See. They're still.
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  Probably worth a long I tell you.
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  I mean, at least now. The two leaders of their
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  respective of the respective sides are communicating now like
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  for the first time. But it's taken 6 episodes to
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  get. There.
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  Exactly, it just feels like they're delaying tactics all the
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  way through. But if they did have an, they
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  did have like a slot to fill for about 40 plus weeks.
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  It's yes, but this is entirely kind of crisis manage.
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  It's like, how can we make Dock 2 as cheaply as possible?
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  And it's a case of. And it's.
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  The and one big set, couple of small ones.
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  And making it and elaborate it to make it Multiple parts kough
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  kough walking ten parts kough. Kough Invasion 8 parts Kough.
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  Kough War Games is a response to a crisis by a decent
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  scriptwriter. Who?
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  Yeah, but the war games? The war games constantly like
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  gets more epic as it goes along, right?
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  Every villain that comes along takes it to another level.
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  Suddenly it goes. From the Second World War.
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  The First World War to another planet.
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  To, you know, Gallifrey and the universe, you know, it's just.
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  The American Civil War, it's all the war zones as well.
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  Keep that story moving at least gives the illusion of movement.
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  Whereas this is it's all starting, it's all one place.
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  Why the story stands in the whole thing anyway.
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  Why is Miss Garrett shooting people now?
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  Because she, because she's had enough of being forced to live
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  by the script. Oh, fair.
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  Enough. Oh, there you go.
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  That that's the city review who in a nutshell, the doctor says.
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  Victoria, we must be forced to take action finally.
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  Oh, here we go. The Ice Warriors are on the on
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  the base. The message on God here we.
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  Go look at the one on the Look. Look at the big smiley faces on
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  the ones either side. We're here.
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  I think Vargo's like he's the money I swore isn't he?
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  Where all the all. The makeups.
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  Oh, it's Bernard Breslaw, isn't he?
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  Was the big name in the Monsters.
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  Literally big. He's so great.
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  Look at his lines though. I will tell you what I want and
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  you will give it to me. It sounds like Eddie, President
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  of the world. Yes, yes, peasant too.
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  It does. Oh my God, look, that fat man's
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  just woken up. Oh no, he's dead.
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  No. With a weird screen effect.
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  And a massive shoulder. On head it's mirror long.
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  How do you do that? Don't don't dare criticize me,
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  peasant one. I will say what I want.
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  Thank you. Peasant One, will you take us
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  through the The Mirror long effect please?
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  I'm not tech. It's I see.
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  It's just a distortion of pictures running through, is it?
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  No, I think, I think water. Liquid thing.
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  Peasant 2 is going to take over now because Peasant one's
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  struggling. Peasant 1 is a big old wank.
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  The President of the world condemns you, peasant one the
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  the. They they basically hold up a
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  mirrored substance in front of the camera, reflect someone's
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  face into it, and then just sort of wobble.
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  It. Wobble it and it's yeah.
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  But it's simple, but it's really effective.
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  Yeah, it's like the Dalek in when they went to negative in
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  the early days of the show. I'm not going to tell you, you
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  know what those Ice Warrior lips look like, but it's really very.
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  All I know is I heard that laugh from the other room, that's how
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  loud it was. I mean, I think they've done a
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  different makeup job this week, and I'm pleased that you're
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  innocent enough to not know what I'm talking about, Eddie.
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  All I know is it's probably something you'd really like to
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  to go in, no? No, no, no.
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  Quite the reverse. Quite the.
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  Reverse yes. In in the in the words of many
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  people in Doctor Who. I'll explain later.
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  Yes, yes, yes. That's a conversation for you,
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  your mum and your dad. All right.
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  Now the birds and the bees head. Oh no, please don't do that now.
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  Anyway, I'd rather think Eddie will be telling you and your
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  mum, your mum, sorry you and your missus about the birds and
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  the bees. Anyway, why are you not
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  referring to me as president? Sorry, Sir.
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  My apologies, Sir. Respect has to be that you ain't
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  sunshine. Humblest of apologies.
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  You're getting fight and stung to death after this.
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  Hey, at least I don't have to speak to you ever again.
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  Oh no, I've got to make all this.
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  Place in the afterlife where you have to sit next to me.
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  Oh. Shit.
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  OK, so now look now why if the Ice Warriors come to the base I
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  forgot? John, you don't usually get this
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  far, do you? You don't.
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  Get to episode. Six, you just sleep by this
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  point. Well, I mean, look at it.
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  This week I was wide awake for this.
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  I fell asleep for both Twin Dilemma and Tariffs for Voids.
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  Outrageous madness. Terrible ver voices.
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  All right, I like terrible. Yeah, I I think terrorism ver
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  voices because I had a lack of sleep could fine enough.
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  I missed every single ver voices and I woke up at the very last
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  trial so he. Didn't you realize, President of
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  Earth, you've got a killer? On board.
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  It's wonderful. Ah, Tonka.
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  Travers anyway. So is he now?
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  So I think Vargas here to try and figure out how powerful the
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  ionizer is. Can it blast the ship out?
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  Yes, and is is the is it a threat?
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  Will someone? Make a fucking decision, please.
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  What? Are your qualifications for
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  existence? I'd like that one.
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  That's a great line. Qualifications for existence.
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  Existence. Yeah, that's very philosophical,
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  isn't it? It's very deep.
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  Yeah, I'm not sure I've got any. You know, I think about it too
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  hard. I don't.
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  A Doctor Who podcast is that qualification.
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  That's enough. It's fine.
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  It's fun, it's entertaining. That's what.
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  You need. Oh, he was going to bash in
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  Clint's head then, with his massive claws.
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  Well, he's going to do something with those massive claws anyway.
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  I could see a boom mic a second ago, I'm going to point that
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  out. Even with that bloody awful
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  picture on this. I said so.
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  I thought you said you saw a boob a second ago.
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  Well, I mean, you you're what would ever be disappointed
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  watching classic who all right in that school.
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  I mean this look at this trout with all this gubbins out of the
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  out of the ice warrior weapon. That's great, right?
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  Yeah, yeah, it's funny. It's making what could be a
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  quite a dull scene. Oh, because Travis.
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  Explaining how the gun familiar works.
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  Yeah, which is great. Victoria is just.
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  It's exposition, and this is how you sell exposition.
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  Victoria is just standing there doing nothing and as usual.
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  Insult Victoria one more time and I will make you go to
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  whatever that ice forest mouth looks like.
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  OK. How marvelous, How marvelous,
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  Deborah. Walling You're not allowed to
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  criticize Victoria Waterfield, sorry.
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  Sorry, a pernicious performance from our Deborah Walling.
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  Truly masterful Oscar worthy. Rarely in my life of I seen such
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  subtlety and nuance in a in an actress.
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  That's better. Just keep it up for the rest of
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  the episode. You've.
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  Got. About You've got about 13
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  minutes to keep up. In all of Doctor Who, character
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  development on this scale has never been seen.
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  Exactly. Well, why is Jamie having a nap?
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  It's amazing how much she gets out to one note.
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  As a performance, it's incredible.
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  That's right. She plays that note like a
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  gooden. Steven Moffat wish he could
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  write a character this good. Well, I mean.
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  There, I do agree with you. Poor Jamie.
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  I mean, he hasn't really done much in the.
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  Last half of this has he? He no.
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  Knocked out, Dragged along, Knocked unconscious shot.
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  Maybe it's because they we are. He's not for the other stories.
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  Might be very hard to week off. Could be.
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  I mean, well, I mean look at this, look at this way.
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  When Hart looks like to take week off, he turned into a pair
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  of hands. Yeah, that was great.
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  Are you sure he decided to take a week off?
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  I think they may have decided for him.
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  Yes, ever so Simon or he just turns into, I don't know, Edmund
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  Warwick or and he always back. You know, there is a flaw with
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  the format of a Habits of a Blunt Pen Knife, especially with
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  a story like the Ice Warriors, I think, because I think it's a
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  story that relies on you focusing on the dialogue and the
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  characterization more, far more than the plot.
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  Yeah. And of course, we're just seeing
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  the visuals, which are very samey because we're in and out
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  of the same sets all the time. But actually, when I watched
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  this the other week and I was watching the dynamics, there is
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  a lot happening here. Not.
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  Far in the end. Not fast, but there is a lot.
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  There is substance if there isn't pace.
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  Yeah, I mean the the actors bringing the character actors
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  was a big in a slow thing, wasn't it particularly was it,
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  was it the plane makers I think was the one.
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  Yeah. So he's going, he's going for a
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  top arrange an actor as he can get on Doctor, which is not a
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  bad idea. What?
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  Was that sort of wobbly effect that was happening there, did
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  they turn the heat up? Yes, yeah.
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  Peter Salas just went here. Oh, you don't.
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  Watch this as I send in the Sonic Noise 00.
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  Look at that, better breast has given it something.
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  That ice warrior, so did Coldenas, is trying to hold on
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  to his ears. Oh God.
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  Yeah, but he still looks happy. OK, so is that it?
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  Have we solved the problem? No, no, no.
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  Because the Doctors on the Ice Warrior space, the Doctor, look,
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  the Doctor's got control. The Ice Warrior space, she was
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  like, jeez, why do you leave the Doctor basically with one of
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  your mates and that's it. So what?
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  He fired the Ice Warrior Sonic weapon at the base.
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  Oh, he's threatening it. Although he just did something
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  because they were all, they're all falling about the place.
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  He was, he rewired it, didn't he?
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  It's. Very so.
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  He's rewired it. Get standby for fireworks.
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  Yeah, now he's just destroyed it.
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  Oh, look at the state of that now.
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  He's an arsonist. I wonder who's more?
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  I wonder who's more in debt is more in debt?
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  Governments or or Doctor Who fit all it's Access destroyed and
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  all the vast spaceships. I mean, Trout and especially
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  Eddie Wright, he's an anarchist. Totally.
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  I mean, it's like, which is what you do.
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  It's like almost every spaceship with Doctor touches either blows
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  up or gets abandoned. So what?
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  As the doctor, he's he's now rendered the Ice Warriors
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  completely unable to defend themselves.
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  Yeah. He did, but I think they just
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  got up again, no? No, but they've gone back to
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  their ship now. But he's sabotaged the weapon.
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  Yeah, yes. So that's it.
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  They've just got to fire the ionizer now, and they're all
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  doomed. That's what they yeah, Or that's
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  what they think. Oh my God.
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  Now, now that I've thought, now that I've thought to myself how
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  in debt he'd be for for destroying A spaceship, now I'm
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  wondering how in debt Chris Chimeler for destroying half the
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  universe. Yeah, well, who who remember the
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  master who Chris did more of that in the.
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  Christopher Ashburn did that as well.
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  There's not much universe left anymore.
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  Yeah, it's like, what? So destroyed half the universe
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  in Lagopolis, and then half of that half.
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  So now there's about 1/4 of the universe left.
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  I can't believe it. How?
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  Jolly does that Ice Warrior look.
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  He's so happy. Alternatively, Steven Moffat
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  destroyed everything but planet Earth as well.
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  And then restored it between his memory.
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  We we It's not Amy Pond's universe we just live in.
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  It I'm not talking about that, all right.
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  I refuse to believe that my existence.
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  You thanks, Joe, Amy, you are. Important You're a figment of
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  Amy Pond's imagination. You're.
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  Right, it's a computational matrix.
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  Yeah, she imagine she imagined you because she had to imagine
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  some haters. Yeah.
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  Oh well, yeah, I mean, you would, wouldn't you?
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  Otherwise it life would be very. She's a benevolent God.
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  She wouldn't put herself in a bubble of confirmation bias
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  because she likes to fight, you know?
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  Yeah, she looks. She's she's Scottish.
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  Actually, I do think that's true.
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  You know, I was talking with someone the other day about.
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  Computer says no. Yeah, well, just like how it
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  isn't healthy to put yourself in a bubble of your own opinions.
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  It's literally the dot bubble thing.
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  It's good to have your opinion, which is why when the three of
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  us come together right and there's always one person, you
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  should 2 like it or two hate it and the other person doesn't,
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  that's good. It's why it's good, because
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  otherwise we'd always be sitting there going this is great.
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  That's why he works apart from season 7 where everyone likes
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  it. That's right.
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  Except for one person. Yeah, who?
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  Who tried to put in? Was it in Burn Away if I
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  remember rightly? Because I had to be interesting
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  because frankly, yeah. Was anyone else going to be any
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  interesting and was anyone else going to keep listening?
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  If we if you had to sit through phrases, reasonings, I think it
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  was perfect enough of me to actually make it interesting and
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  bin something. Now look, I'll say you had an
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  argument there, Eddie. But that did extremely well that
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  episode, so people did. Listen.
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  Oh, you're saying it's because you binned?
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  Yeah. OK.
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  Because it's a price to pay for listening to 55 Reasons about
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  the Ambassadors of Death. Yeah, I think that's the only
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  reason why so many people listened.
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  It's because I had to keep coming back to the bloody
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  episode. To get through that.
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  Oh, he only got the reason #30. Oh God, I'll come back tomorrow.
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  I wish I could have done that when I was.
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  Sitting there, the look on your face was priceless.
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  It was sort of sinking in his chair.
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  And now speak. Speaking of phrases, that makes
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  me realize we forgot to read out his comments at the end of last
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  episode. Oh yeah, 2 for the price of 1
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  today then on this one that's. Right.
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  Well, come on, give us episode 5 now.
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  We'll do 6 at the end. Sorry, I'm in the middle of
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  watching the Ice Warriors on on my only device in here right
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  now. I don't.
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  Think you're in the middle of it?
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  You're nearly at the end of it. Yeah.
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  We will use the ionizer at 4:00 to control the glacier.
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  Oh, someone's made a choice then.
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  Yeah, well, 35 minutes from the from surviving it, Ed, it's
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  fine. Oh, I see.
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  Surviving. Oh yeah, this is what we needed
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  was pen. Oh yes, I've just noted.
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  Have you, have you stopped referring to me as your
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  president? Yeah.
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  Normal service has resumed. Yes.
• 21:47
  No it hasn't. Get back to work, peasants.
• 21:50
  You've you've been overthrown. Unlucky.
• 21:53
  I don't mind being a peasant. Actually, it's quite fun.
• 21:55
  Listen, I know what's expected of me in life.
• 21:57
  Exactly. I can live with it.
• 21:59
  That's probably the life of a retail worker are.
• 22:05
  You dissing retail workers, Ed. Yeah, you would have nothing on
• 22:09
  a shelf, all right? You'd have nothing.
• 22:10
  No food to buy. No.
• 22:15
  Just take it as a as a life advice, you know, to aim higher,
• 22:19
  all right? Well to aim not work in retail.
• 22:22
  That's right, yeah. Yeah, do what you enjoy.
• 22:27
  That's that's the thing. As long as you find something
• 22:29
  you enjoy, people, people you actually you can at least
• 22:31
  tolerate, preferably. Is that the case?
• 22:34
  Or maybe not then. You.
• 22:37
  Know maybe you should try and make a bit more money off the
• 22:39
  podcast so you can just go and do that instead.
• 22:42
  Oh no, I couldn't do this. Not this has to be for.
• 22:45
  Fun. If I did this for a living, it
• 22:47
  would be such a chore. It'd be oh God, yeah, you poor
• 22:51
  souls. You know, at least.
• 22:52
  It wouldn't be working in retail.
• 22:54
  The patron? No, I quite like it.
• 22:56
  I like being amongst the public as much as I'll whinge about it.
• 23:00
  Oh my God, look. At Clint, you're wrong.
• 23:02
  You're wrong. We'll all be killed.
• 23:04
  Killed, I mean. Is it me or is it Peter Salas
• 23:10
  basically trying to be David Mitchell there with the ways his
• 23:12
  party off to one side and that be it is David Mitchell?
• 23:16
  Why are the Ice Warriors having a rave as well?
• 23:18
  Did you see that They're sort of.
• 23:20
  Oh yeah, here we go. Party time.
• 23:23
  Joe, Speaking of patrons, did you forget the September and the
• 23:27
  monthly event? What's happening in September?
• 23:35
  Did you usually have like a monthly watch along or so?
• 23:37
  Don't you? Yeah.
• 23:40
  No, we had a meet up. We had an actual meet up in
• 23:42
  September. Oh, that's what that was.
• 23:47
  That's what that was, yeah. Unfortunately, my father is too
• 23:50
  reluctant to actually have us do anything fun.
• 23:53
  Oh well, next time come along. This time I'll put in the date
• 23:56
  for November, you know. Well, Ed, if you want to pay for
• 24:00
  it, I'm happy. It's expensive to go to London.
• 24:06
  Oh, I thought you meant for the Patreon.
• 24:09
  Oh, it's fine. Whatever that's good value for
• 24:13
  money, that is. Oh, thanks, John.
• 24:15
  Thank. You a president does not pay for
• 24:18
  him to pay for him. Oh, OK.
• 24:22
  OK. Well, at your decree I shall
• 24:25
  ensure there's a watch along once a month.
• 24:27
  OK, Sir. It's all right.
• 24:32
  It's Death of Daleks, an accent. So you've you've let yourself in
• 24:34
  for that. 1. My father would love to go to
• 24:40
  that because if you look at the 1st 2 cast members names in
• 24:43
  episode 3, their first names are John and Arnold.
• 24:46
  Yeah, no, no, it's, it's the the cliffhanger for Part 3 and 4.
• 24:51
  Which is. People to speak in the first
• 24:53
  John. Perry, John.
• 24:54
  Arnold, John. Arnold.
• 24:56
  Yeah, John and Arnold. And that and it's in.
• 24:59
  The weeks I realized that I was like, yes.
• 25:02
  I wonder if there's a John? Ford.
• 25:04
  Well, there's a Carol Ann Ford. Is there a Joe in any of those?
• 25:08
  Probably, but, well, there's probably a Joan Interstelle Song
• 25:14
  Contest with Caroline Ford. Yeah.
• 25:17
  Oh my God, I've just fought. Is there, is there an Arnold,
• 25:23
  actually the name Arnold in any Doctor Who stories, probably.
• 25:28
  Is there an Edward in the same name in the same story?
• 25:34
  Oh, trouble is, I'm not an edge word are.
• 25:36
  You are you. Oh, your name is actually Eddie.
• 25:38
  Yeah, well, no, it's Edwin, but oh.
• 25:42
  Edwin Now why don't you go by that?
• 25:45
  Because I just don't like using it as much.
• 25:48
  There we go, it's all over. We survived.
• 25:51
  If you had a posh name like that, I'll be literally berating
• 25:54
  as saying Sir Sir. I will be.
• 25:59
  Well, yeah, but then again, that's because you can't be able
• 26:01
  to do anything posh. He said, he said.
• 26:05
  He's so on Poshy that she has to borrow a suit from his father
• 26:08
  when he's going out for events. Oh.
• 26:11
  God sake, Eddie. I do at the moment because I
• 26:13
  think my doesn't fit me. Actually, I don't even have a
• 26:16
  suit. He's got one up on me.
• 26:18
  Yes. I don't even have access.
• 26:20
  Don't bother with suits, kids. No.
• 26:24
  So what? So what if you had?
• 26:26
  To go to Sam Neeta, there you go, There's a good.
• 26:29
  So what if you had to go to an event like funeral?
• 26:31
  You turn up in your retail work uniform.
• 26:34
  No, but I'll probably just wear a black T-shirt, you know?
• 26:37
  I mean, I don't think you need to wear a suit or a funeral.
• 26:39
  Just go pay your respects. I've got, I've got jeans, got
• 26:43
  jacket. It's fun.
• 26:44
  Yeah, never mind the funeral, I like the buffet afterwards.
• 26:50
  Oh, you're on. Anyway, let me get through the
• 26:52
  two comments that I need to. Ah, yes, go on.
• 26:54
  And then we'll do our three. Fabulous.
• 26:56
  Things episode 5 comment was It's a remarkably sophisticated
• 27:01
  story what seems on the surface to be a traffic club triangle
• 27:05
  between Clint penley and store is actually an essay on the
• 27:09
  theme of man versus machine and how much we should trust one
• 27:12
  over the other in today's AI world.
• 27:15
  Along with the ongoing climate crisis, this story is a
• 27:19
  president today as it was then. Back then, of course, you also
• 27:24
  had the Cold War ontology of the two sides, boys that mutually
• 27:28
  assured destruction. But you can see from this White
• 27:31
  House came back again and again. I actually agree with every word
• 27:36
  he said there. Well, frankly, at least you knew
• 27:40
  what every word was. I lost track of what I was
• 27:42
  saying halfway through. No, no, I think he made a good
• 27:44
  point. No, he's fine.
• 27:45
  He's absolutely spot and. Then sex, keeping, keeping the
• 27:50
  best to last. It's Dudley Simpson score.
• 27:53
  I'm sure by now Joe has wailed more times than Victoria on a
• 27:56
  vibro chair, but Dudley's experimental, ethereal and
• 28:00
  electric music I've seen that means electric or something is
• 28:05
  an absolute highlight here. Setting the tone and keeping it
• 28:10
  there as any other Doctor Who score screened the title and
• 28:12
  setting of its story as much as this one, I think not.
• 28:17
  It's far cry from the oboe of the week yet to come, but it's
• 28:21
  brilliant and shows just what he can do in his palm.
• 28:27
  Mark the date, folks. Fraser has made some good points
• 28:31
  across these six episodes. Theresa, you have Whale Bull
• 28:34
  Times Victorian Vibro chair. I was going to say, I don't want
• 28:39
  to think about what she's doing in that vibro chair.
• 28:42
  No good. Well, no.
• 28:43
  Yeah, you get a good example though when you see Vargas lips,
• 28:46
  so don't worry about it. Well done Fraser.
• 28:53
  Thank you for your comments. I do think perhaps you elevate
• 28:57
  this story a little too much, but not too much actually,
• 29:00
  because it's not in your top 60, so clearly you don't get that
• 29:03
  much of it. You don't get Champion of the
• 29:05
  Damned. Yeah, whatever.
• 29:07
  My house champion of the mid, more like.
• 29:11
  That's it. Well fellas, I mean we've got to
• 29:15
  do 3 fabulous things, so we'll have 9 in total.
• 29:19
  You've also got to watch Bake Off too.
• 29:22
  Well, I know I do. Quick, let's zip through them,
• 29:24
  they wonder. Where I am Well Jordan, would
• 29:27
  you care to him first? You'll.
• 29:29
  Probably think you're off having an.
• 29:30
  You'll probably think you're off having an affair with someone
• 29:32
  else again. Well, again, I don't think, no,
• 29:37
  no, he's not wrong. He's not wrong.
• 29:39
  Have you ever have you ever heard about his podcast
• 29:41
  Husbands? He's got Hareen.
• 29:43
  Yes, we we were discussing his podcast husband a few weeks.
• 29:46
  Ago exactly. Do you remember and?
• 29:49
  Wise, that's what A1 for each day of the week, you know?
• 29:52
  Yeah. And you could change up if you
• 29:56
  want not. For anything rude, I'd just like
• 29:59
  them to put my slippers in the oven, that's all.
• 30:02
  That's just one. Yeah, that's quite nice.
• 30:04
  Yeah, look, peasant one your. Fabulous thing.
• 30:08
  OK, I'm going to be fabulous. I'm going to go with Jeremy
• 30:13
  Davis, the designer here, because I think he does a bang
• 30:16
  up job for this whole story. It's that it's that lovely thing
• 30:20
  of the actual ionizer complex is integrated into that house.
• 30:25
  It's a large mix of technological and the old, the
• 30:30
  cake. The actual cave sets look good
• 30:32
  as well. Not much you can do with that
• 30:35
  Ice Warrior ship, unfortunately, but you can't have everything.
• 30:37
  So yeah, I, I, I think the design work on this is really
• 30:42
  nice and really helpful to the director and the whole damn
• 30:46
  story. So Jeremy Davis take about.
• 30:50
  Mr. President. To us, I've got no idea what to
• 30:53
  say right now. Can you go first so I can think
• 30:55
  of something? Yes, well I was going to say
• 30:58
  Simpsons score which is genuinely deranged throughout.
• 31:04
  But sort of dynamic and different and unique.
• 31:07
  And at a time when Dudley Simpson didn't really care about
• 31:11
  form, he just wanted to put weird sounds on the screen.
• 31:15
  And so that sequence where Victoria is running through it,
• 31:18
  it's like, it's like loads of weird sounds.
• 31:24
  That sounds like you're describing the ending of the
• 31:25
  Silurians episode where the Doctor just falls over with that
• 31:28
  weird face. That's a good point.
• 31:30
  It is weird like the Silurians. I mean it's got yes, more
• 31:33
  tuneful than the Silurians. That's just a weird kazoo.
• 31:36
  And at least the Ice Warriors appear in episode 1, unlike the
• 31:39
  Silurians. But there is not another score
• 31:42
  like this. There's not another score like
• 31:44
  the Ice Warriors. In the Sea Devils, that's what
• 31:46
  I'm saying. Definitely. 88 to 8.
• 31:52
  You're not allowed to evict the president.
• 31:54
  I'm evicting the president I've got, I've got the ejector chair.
• 31:58
  You're going out anyway. Too bad, so fucking sad.
• 32:02
  OK, tell us your thing then, Ed. The Ice Warrior designs are
• 32:06
  brilliant. They it's like they're in my top
• 32:11
  five monster designs of all time for a reason.
• 32:14
  It's like, so especially in the, it's like there's a 21st century
• 32:21
  version aside, which is even more gorgeous.
• 32:22
  It's like it just, it's just amazing.
• 32:27
  All the shells. I'm I'm not convinced there is a
• 32:30
  human underneath that, frankly. The silhouette, I think just in
• 32:35
  black and white, the silhouette of the Ice Warriors.
• 32:38
  And it's and it's tall and dominant and everything Joe
• 32:41
  wants a monster to be. And hairy.
• 32:44
  Yes, fabulous. Everything he wants out of
• 32:46
  someone. No, not a carapace usually.
• 32:51
  Thank you, John. What's your second?
• 32:56
  I think I think his name is Sam needed the lighting cameraman
• 33:00
  again. He does a really bang up job on
• 33:02
  lightning things. The the difference in the
• 33:05
  stature, the way he does the ice warriors makes them thoroughly
• 33:07
  intimidating, gets their silhouettes.
• 33:11
  It's it's just lovely. Particularly The Cave set.
• 33:13
  I think he does a lot to help the design of The Cave set and
• 33:17
  top Martins. Everyone I think for for all.
• 33:21
  I'm not that keen on the writing of it.
• 33:23
  I think on the production side, everyone is working their
• 33:26
  backside off here to make a good solid story and give you at
• 33:29
  least something to watch in the, shall we say, less interesting
• 33:34
  bits of the story. I for my second, I think that
• 33:39
  the casting is pretty exquisite in this Peter Bartworth, he's.
• 33:45
  Peter Butterworth. Barkworth.
• 33:49
  Oh, is it? No.
• 33:50
  It's Barkworth, isn't it? Barkworth.
• 33:52
  Yeah, Barkworth's a meddling monk.
• 33:53
  Yeah, I love the meddling monk in this story.
• 33:56
  Peter Barkworth, he said. It's, it's all right.
• 34:00
  He's just trying to wrinkle me. I'm, I'm, I'm getting used to
• 34:03
  his games now. Peter Barkworth is.
• 34:09
  He suppose, I think of all the intransigent base commanders,
• 34:12
  he's the most interesting. I like the fact that he's got a
• 34:14
  disability. I like the fact that he is sort
• 34:18
  of irrational. He's unreasonable throughout.
• 34:21
  But you sort of like him anyway. There's a bit of humour to him.
• 34:25
  You can sort of see where he's coming from.
• 34:27
  He's quite likeable. I mean, he has great chemistry
• 34:31
  with Trout and when he finally gets to have scenes with Penley,
• 34:35
  they're really interesting and you can give it that reading if
• 34:38
  you want. It's clearly not there in
• 34:39
  script, but you can. You can find that sheep if you
• 34:43
  want to. Yeah, I think he's great.
• 34:46
  But but also you've got Peter Salas in there as well who's a
• 34:50
  brilliant actor and and adds lots of his scenes.
• 34:53
  And I I'm won't that after that he went to go to the moon to get
• 34:57
  some cheese. What, like Wallace and Gromit
• 35:00
  cheese? Well, what's your second one,
• 35:04
  Eddie? Well, before anyone else steals
• 35:06
  it. Patrick Troutin as the doctor.
• 35:09
  Yes, 'cause I'm willing to bet my father would have stolen that
• 35:12
  next. So yeah, I wouldn't.
• 35:14
  You're right. Now you've got to think
• 35:16
  something positive to say about it.
• 35:18
  Again, suck. It I've just done 2 positive
• 35:20
  things. You've got to think of something
• 35:23
  more positive. I prefer, yeah.
• 35:26
  Yes, Patrick Troutin is the doctor, Amazing in everything he
• 35:29
  does. He's included in the war games.
• 35:33
  Yeah, even though the war game is only an 8 out of 10 at best,
• 35:38
  and the Ice forest is an 8.5 out of 10.
• 35:42
  Yeah. You are insane, Davros.
• 35:46
  Yeah, except at least the Patrick Troughton doesn't have
• 35:50
  to suffer appearing in Jenna's shit of the Alex.
• 35:54
  But yes in in it's like when there is evidently filling
• 36:00
  material, it's like he he works it so well that I can barely
• 36:03
  tell it's filler material. It just feels like it's him
• 36:06
  acting in socks often. It's amazing.
• 36:08
  I enjoy watching every second of him and I wish I could have met
• 36:11
  him, but unfortunately I was born about 22 years too late for
• 36:16
  that. Thank you, that's what I wanted
• 36:19
  to know. Are you trying to be salamander
• 36:23
  there? No, I was neither.
• 36:25
  You sounded more. Excited.
• 36:27
  No, it didn't. That was neither.
• 36:29
  It was obvious. Come on, John.
• 36:32
  Well, maybe the reason I didn't know is because I don't remember
• 36:34
  shit stories like Genesis of the Daleks.
• 36:37
  Yeah, come at me for what I'm saying.
• 36:38
  Who fandom? What are you going?
• 36:40
  What are you? Going to rise to him who fandom
• 36:43
  he wants a reaction. No, I don't want a reaction.
• 36:47
  Your favorite stories like James Scissor Darks and City Death?
• 36:50
  Genuinely boring, utter bollocks.
• 36:52
  Go fuck yourselves. Find a good and good story like
• 36:55
  The Armageddon Factor which was wrongfully voted out in the
• 36:59
  season 16. Strictly come hamster.
• 37:01
  I tried. All right.
• 37:02
  I tried. And for that, I ridicule
• 37:05
  everyone who voted it out. Yes.
• 37:07
  Yes, well. And they are, and they are
• 37:09
  banished from this planet forever.
• 37:11
  Well, Ed, I'm telling you a lot. I'm telling you about like.
• 37:15
  I'm taking them off like the Ice Warriors in the seat of death.
• 37:18
  I'm sure that if you were to find yourself with one of those
• 37:22
  people who rudely been the Armageddon factor on earth,
• 37:24
  strictly at some point soon you can have a word.
• 37:27
  Yeah, I'm sending him into the sun before he does that.
• 37:31
  John, please. Spin it.
• 37:33
  Before people are fascinated. Yeah, Season 2 is going to have
• 37:36
  one less person on it at. Least one season people can see
• 37:39
  what I have to put up with. Mass sympathies.
• 37:49
  I'm going to make the best of something.
• 37:50
  I'm going to go. That chase sequence in The Cave
• 37:53
  with Victoria, I think is really well executed.
• 37:57
  It's it's one thing Deborah Watling does only have one note
• 38:01
  in her performance, but in that sort.
• 38:03
  Of what did I say about ridiculing Band Band, You're
• 38:07
  going on the trip to the Sun, too.
• 38:09
  See, I was actually trying to give her a compliment, but I'm
• 38:12
  not going to say anymore if you can start.
• 38:14
  Performance, One noted that's making it negative.
• 38:17
  Before you jetting him off to the sun, do you remember he does
• 38:20
  fund your life all right? I'm the.
• 38:24
  President, you will need to find a job.
• 38:26
  I'm the president of the world, baby.
• 38:28
  I've got enough money. Baby, Yeah.
• 38:35
  Because frankly, that's the mental capacity that you lot of
• 38:38
  got. We've created a monster.
• 38:42
  No, frankly, this is the reason I was being quiet, because this
• 38:44
  was the whole thing it was building up to.
• 38:48
  John, were you done? Were you done?
• 38:50
  I'm. Done.
• 38:51
  I'm done. No, he has to elaborate further.
• 38:53
  I'm not letting him go until he finishes.
• 38:56
  I'm finished. I'm done now.
• 38:58
  Elaborate further. Last thing is going to be
• 39:03
  episode 1 as a whole. I think it is a superb scene
• 39:07
  setter. I think the introduction of the
• 39:10
  TARDIS coming down the mountain is hilarious.
• 39:13
  I think the Ice Warriors are well introduced.
• 39:17
  That astonishing avalanche sequence in episode 1, which
• 39:20
  feels like it is shot on a bloody mountain.
• 39:22
  It's it's an incredibly good scene setter.
• 39:26
  It establishes all the characters really economically
• 39:30
  and vividly. And it has a great cliffhanger
• 39:32
  as well. So yeah, I think it's a top
• 39:34
  notch episode one in a season that is generally full of top
• 39:38
  notch episode ones. They're generally full of top
• 39:41
  notch episodes, you mean. That's not what I said, no.
• 39:45
  What's your last one? Well then you're wrong, because
• 39:47
  obviously you have the slightly below average Tomb of the
• 39:51
  Cybermen. Then you have the pinnacle of
• 39:54
  the season, the Abominable Snowman.
• 39:56
  Then you have another amazing story in this.
• 39:58
  Then you've got the slightly downgraded Enemy of the World.
• 40:01
  Then you've got a slightly worse Yeti story in the Web of Fear,
• 40:04
  but still a pinnacle. Then you've got the awesome View
• 40:07
  from the Deep. And then you've got the slightly
• 40:09
  below average Wheel in Space. So obviously great season on all
• 40:12
  but I. Don't know why you're shaking
• 40:14
  your head, John. You created him.
• 40:17
  Yeah, yeah. I am not responsible for his own
• 40:20
  opinions. He has created his own bad
• 40:22
  opinions. Yeah, that's why Greatest Show
• 40:24
  in the Galaxy is rated as my second best story on Lesser box.
• 40:29
  Oh well, now you're talking sense.
• 40:31
  Well, no sense. Well, yeah, because that's
• 40:34
  obviously a horrible opinion because of Sophie Old for being
• 40:37
  in it according to you. Well, no, it's all right.
• 40:39
  We can get past that, you know, Just got too many other great
• 40:43
  things going for it. Well, what's your last thing?
• 40:46
  Excuse me? You don't get away with not
• 40:47
  doing your third. The TARDIS arriving and the way
• 40:50
  it does. What on the side like that?
• 40:55
  We need more of this. We can't just have the TARDIS
• 40:57
  constantly arriving at standing up, but do something interesting
• 41:00
  with it. So you've got that box there and
• 41:03
  all you do is just stand it up and leave it standing there.
• 41:07
  So do something interesting with it like the Ice Warriors did,
• 41:10
  bitch. I like to imagine, you know, the
• 41:12
  TARDIS, if we was in the TARDIS. Three of us.
• 41:14
  Yeah, that. As we clambered out of the
• 41:17
  TARDIS on its side, Eddie would be there with his feet on both
• 41:21
  of our heads, climbing. Oh God, yeah, of course he.
• 41:25
  No, no, no. Make your heads.
• 41:27
  Free for us. You, you kind, you're going to
• 41:30
  vanish it with me. On it, what would happen is you
• 41:33
  2 would both be out of energy, crawling out and looking for
• 41:36
  something. Meanwhile I would be full of
• 41:38
  energy being like. So when are we going to go and
• 41:40
  explore? OK.
• 41:43
  And then my father would go shut the fuck up and give us some
• 41:45
  time to rest. John, is that the sort of thing
• 41:50
  you don't put aside man? Well look, 6 episodes of the Ice
• 41:58
  Warriors down. John, you.
• 42:02
  Didn't say say Derek Martinez did we?
• 42:04
  Have we? Changed your opinion on it
• 42:06
  Father. I enjoyed it more than I thought
• 42:09
  I would. To be fair, I still think it's
• 42:12
  still 2 episodes too long and those two episodes come very
• 42:15
  early on. So that's why I'm always
• 42:18
  thrilled with, I think because it goes, it stops and then
• 42:23
  doesn't start again. So.
• 42:25
  Interestingly, I enjoyed it a little less than I thought I
• 42:29
  would. Not the commentary.
• 42:30
  God, I love hanging with you guys.
• 42:32
  It's just that I was very aware. No, no way.
• 42:35
  I was very aware. He's putting his finger up right
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  now. That swivel on it bitch that
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  that this is a dialogue, this is a future historical and you do
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  need the detail. You can't just sit there and
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  look at the pictures. Even though the pictures are
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  good. A lot of the interest of the
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  story is in the detail, so I think turning the sound off and
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  not listening to the dialogue, it is detrimental to the story.
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  I do think it's a good story. I think it it pretty much holds
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  up. It's 6 episodes on the whole.
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  The narrative stutters a bit in two and three and there's great
• 43:15
  set pieces in it and Trout and it's just vibrant.
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  But Martinez, you're right, we didn't mention him.
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  And Martinez is the one that pulls it all together.
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  We didn't mention him, as if we didn't mention him enough.
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  No, we did mention him in the in the things.
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  In the end, to learn things, Yeah.
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  Anyway. Oh John, what is out of our
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  misery? What?
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  No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm going to take you into
• 43:39
  misery, baby. He's going to make us watch.
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  He's going to make us watch an episode that makes us feel like
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  we're there for the whole time. It spans the craw.
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  Go on. Billion years.
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  Oh no, Heaven sent. Yeah, let's do Hell Bent on Top
• 43:57
  while we're at it. Just for a bit extra, let's take
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  a look. At Eddie's face give you the.
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  Full misery. I think he's frozen.
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  Yeah, thank God for that. He's frozen in total shock.
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  My God. He's not moving.
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  He's gone great. Well, John, I mean I.
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  Just say it was your choice. And you have put up with, you
• 44:21
  know, quite a lot of pain in the last two.
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  It's. Only an hour.
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  It's quite. It's 2.
• 44:28
  Hours he needs to come running into the room so he can give his
• 44:32
  reaction. Oh, oh, he's going.
• 44:39
  He's so appalled by your choice, he said.
• 44:42
  He was, can't be. All his face was just.
• 44:44
  It was a perfect comedy face as well.
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  Yeah. So it's heaven sent and hell
• 44:50
  bent, you say? I think so.
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  Oh my God. Rudely kicked me off.
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  Hello. Yeah.
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  You know you had an appropriately shocked look on
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  your face when he said Heaven sent and Hell bent.
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  You had. Have you got a signal, Matt?
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  Kind of. Right.
• 45:14
  You had an appropriately shocked look on your face.
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  It was like. Yeah, and then I got cut off.
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  Thank God for that, he got deposed.
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  So I'm, I'm now, I'm now going to have to listen to episode 6
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  to hear the ending. Sabotage Eddie John, sabotage
• 45:31
  your link. Viva.
• 45:33
  Revolution baby, baby. But as we out this episode,
• 45:40
  gentlemen, may I just say thank you so much for taking time out
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  of your schedule. President of the to be with us
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  here today. And thank you so much for taking
• 45:52
  it time out of your day of mining rocks Now.
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  Now if you wouldn't mind, can you let me get to to my next
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  schedule of stoning this man to death for all his wrong
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  opinions? Please.