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Christmas Traditions Are So Incredibly Weird! · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so
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  Speaker 1: much for joining us today. Let's give a quick shout
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  Speaker 1: out to the Man, the Myth, the Legend. Our own
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  Speaker 1: crampis super producer mister Max Williams.
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  Speaker 2: Woo, you can put me in a mole and cook
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  Speaker 2: me in asana.
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  Speaker 3: A bit of a benker, you always whipping kids with reds.
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  Speaker 1: He's a bit of a cranklin Chris. He's a cheerful
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  Speaker 1: holiday creature. None of that holiday darkness resides in our
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  Speaker 1: right and we also want to make space for, of course,
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  Speaker 1: the real crampis of our show, Jonathan Strickland, aka the Quizz,
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  Speaker 1: who was not able to appear for this recording as
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  Speaker 1: he is busy trying to ruin the holiday experience of children.
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  Speaker 2: We also didn't invite him.
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  Speaker 1: We lightly implied that he could show up, and he
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  Speaker 1: said he's busy because there are too many happy four
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  Speaker 1: year olds on the planet. And that's classic Jonathan, That's
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  Speaker 1: classic Noel Brown. They would call me Ben in part
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  Speaker 1: classic Ben Prime, Ben Prime. Thank you, Nol, I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: I love that one. We also decided here at the
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  Speaker 1: end of the calendar year, to explore Christmas traditions that
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  Speaker 1: may be unfamiliar to a lot of our fellow ridiculous
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  Speaker 1: historians in the audience tonight. So we talked previously at
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  Speaker 1: length about the Mule Lads. We talked about other different
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  Speaker 1: holiday traditions that might seem odd to outsiders. I think
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  Speaker 1: we're going to round robin this one, right, I propose
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  Speaker 1: that we go back and forth with cool stuff. Now,
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  Speaker 1: let's imagine everybody hearing this right before Christmas. For those
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  Speaker 1: who celebrate Max, you got to know that Nola and
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  Speaker 1: I are working on a thing for our sister show
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  Speaker 1: called The Elf and the Shelf on the Shelf. Are
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  Speaker 1: you familiar with this Elf on the Shelf?
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  Speaker 2: I've heard about it. I know people who have done
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  Speaker 2: it or whatnot. I don't really even know what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Kids are into it. Yeah, it sort of represents the
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  Speaker 3: surveillance state.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels weird you just put an elf on
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  Speaker 2: a shelf or something. It feels like remember that that
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  Speaker 2: game you do as like a teenager or early twenties,
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  Speaker 2: when you'd ice somebody. You put a smear and off
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  Speaker 2: ice somewhere and that have that chuck.
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  Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think that's the thing anybody. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, that's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, walk us through it.
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  Speaker 2: I guess, I guess, I don't know. I had a
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  Speaker 2: group of friends that, you know, you'd just hanging out
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  Speaker 2: and you'd walk in a room and they would just
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  Speaker 2: make me a smaroff ice put in a weird place,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, sir, aff ices are disgusting, and if
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  Speaker 2: you found it in that weird place, you had to
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  Speaker 2: drop your knees and chug it.
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  Speaker 1: What what a life you led?
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  Speaker 3: Max?
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  Speaker 1: Are you okay?
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  Speaker 2: I had a lot after doing that number of times? Probably? No.
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  Speaker 2: I did not like it. I did not like it
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  Speaker 2: at all. I really liked freth.
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  Speaker 3: I would have also accepted a zema on the shelf.
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  Speaker 3: Remember zema, wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: That mean at that point if you're lowering the bar,
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  Speaker 1: you know, if we're playing, if we're playing limbo at
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  Speaker 1: at that level, then why not a zema.
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  Speaker 3: So we're kind of gonna do a bit of a
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  Speaker 3: Christmas listical that's somewhat connected to bizarros sometimes terrifying holiday traditions,
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of a deeper cut version. We're gonna
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  Speaker 3: do some kind of follow ups for some things that
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  Speaker 3: we've talked about in the past as well. But geez, Ben,
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  Speaker 3: how do we start off. We've got some good ones
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  Speaker 3: between the three of us.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we do. And again, Nol, you and I cannot
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  Speaker 1: thank super producer Max enough for joining us on this
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  Speaker 1: strange endeavor. The first thing that we wanted to set
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  Speaker 1: out right, we've established our thesis. Your local Christmas celebrations
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  Speaker 1: may not be the same as celebrations in other parts
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  Speaker 1: of the world. Like here's our entry point. So in Thanksgiving,
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  Speaker 1: for instance, so a lot of people in the United
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  Speaker 1: States will will cook a turkey, right, whereas people in
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  Speaker 1: the United Kingdom may cook a goose. All. One thing
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  Speaker 1: that has been very popular for quite some time in
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  Speaker 1: Scandinavia is the idea of a goat, the yule goat.
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  Speaker 1: You guys know about this.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know about the mule goat, Ben, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know that I've ever really thought of a goat. Could
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  Speaker 3: being connected with the holidays, perhaps a lamb, but not a.
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  Speaker 1: Goat, you know, I like your point about lamb.
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  Speaker 3: Ghasts usually a bit of an infernal stand in thinking
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  Speaker 3: of the black Philip of it all, or like the
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  Speaker 3: you know, the the cloven hoofs of Satan.
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  Speaker 1: So the origins of the mule goat are unclear. However,
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  Speaker 1: it is a it is now in that part of
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  Speaker 1: the world, a Christmas tradition. It does come from paganism.
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  Speaker 1: Please do check out our previous episodes on our sister
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  Speaker 1: show about the surprisingly non Christian origins of Christmas, which
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  Speaker 1: is quite a tongue twister. H here's the ideal. It's
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  Speaker 1: Christmas time here in Scandinavia. We're in Scandinavia and we
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  Speaker 1: are celebrating the end of the year in some way.
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  Speaker 1: So we build a goat effigy out of straw and
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  Speaker 1: then we burn it. This is probably connected to the
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  Speaker 1: worship of a Norse god who's been really blowing up
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  Speaker 1: in Marvel movies and comic books. His name is Thor.
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  Speaker 3: Heard of him, big muscley guy with a tiny hammer
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  Speaker 3: that apparently is quite heavy.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, only the worthy you can lift it are stored
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  Speaker 1: in the stone rolls very much. So, yeah, that's a
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  Speaker 1: nice connection. So this our buddy Thor, according to the lore,
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  Speaker 1: rode the sky in a chariot drawn by two wait
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  Speaker 1: for it, goats.
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  Speaker 3: Seems like he could have done better, but I assume
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  Speaker 3: they were magical goats. Good is concerned.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, ghats were way more of a flex back at
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  Speaker 1: this time when they were writing these myths. And it
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  Speaker 1: goes back to pre Christian beliefs, way older than Christianity.
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  Speaker 1: The last sheaf of grain that you bundled up in
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  Speaker 1: your harvest was thought to be the magical collection of grain.
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  Speaker 1: It was the spirit of harvest. And they will call
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  Speaker 1: it you'll bulk it, or the Yule goat. And so
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  Speaker 1: as we know, there's the thing called Yule booking. J
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  Speaker 1: U L E v U kki n G.
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  Speaker 3: Got it. This is where you do the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's where you do it. So you're a person.
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  Speaker 1: We're celebrating this. We're in Scandinavia. We're people who dawn
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  Speaker 1: mask and costumes. We call ourselves you bookers, and we
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  Speaker 1: go door to door and our neighbors say, let me
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  Speaker 1: figure out who's under that mask, and we're singing Christmas carols.
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  Speaker 1: We're not breaking into the place, which will come up
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  Speaker 1: later in this show. And then after we sing for them,
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  Speaker 1: the folks will reward us with candy if they can't
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  Speaker 1: identify us.
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  Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of these somewhat esoteric Christmas
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  Speaker 3: myths that always involve either being rewarded with candy or
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  Speaker 3: punished with pain or minor torture. Okay, yeah, that you
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  Speaker 3: know what it is ant of your nice thing that
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  Speaker 3: also goes back to the whole like trick or treat
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  Speaker 3: thing and a fun one that Max is going to
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  Speaker 3: talk to us about involving caroling. That it makes it
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  Speaker 3: resemble trick or treating much more than that one might
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  Speaker 3: associate breaking in.
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  Speaker 1: So the the Yule goat to sew this up. It's
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  Speaker 1: a ritualistic folklore. It's kind of cool if you if
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  Speaker 1: you go to Finland, you will be able to talk
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  Speaker 1: to people about word. I can't pronounce juel pookie j
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  Speaker 1: o u l u p u kk i. It means
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  Speaker 1: Christmas goat uh. And I like the idea, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's what Caroly descends from. In this case, in Finland,
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  Speaker 1: you dawn a goat costume and you do a little
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  Speaker 1: like show, like a busking show, and then in return
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  Speaker 1: for your performance you get leftover Christmas food. Historically, this
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  Speaker 1: is very important for that part of the world where
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  Speaker 1: you can't grow you know, radishes at certain times of
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  Speaker 1: the year. Got it.
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  Speaker 3: So there's no there's no actual goat. It's just a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of a goat effigy made it.
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  Speaker 1: We do burn the goat. We do build and burn
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  Speaker 1: a goat like.
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  Speaker 3: Very very baking okay of burning straw effigy. And then
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  Speaker 3: I was actually going to bring this as one of
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  Speaker 3: my topics, but I think I'm just gonna do it
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  Speaker 3: by way of a quick aside. There's a film that
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  Speaker 3: came out, I think in twenty twenty three called The
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  Speaker 3: Lord of Misrule that is very clearly a bit of
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  Speaker 3: a wicker Man ripoff. And the Lord of Misrule is
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  Speaker 3: a holiday tradition I believe in medieval times where like
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  Speaker 3: essentially a pleb was assigned to be like appointed in
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  Speaker 3: Scotland as the you know, essentially presiding over the feast
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  Speaker 3: of food. It's kind of like a king for a
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  Speaker 3: day type situation. A peasant or someone lower in the
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  Speaker 3: church religious order, you know, the hierarchy, and appointed to
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  Speaker 3: be in charge and organize all of the Christmas events,
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  Speaker 3: which also included like being in charge of decorations, everything down.
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  Speaker 1: Temporary temporary authority figure. Doesn't he have another name? I
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  Speaker 1: think the Abbot of unreason, the Lord of misrule, the
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  Speaker 1: abbot of I'm reason, ladies and gentleman Jonath, it's Strickland. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And also, if I'm not mistaken, the tradition of the
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  Speaker 3: Lord of Misrule, there's another thing that's sort of a
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  Speaker 3: holdover from that, this idea of like in a kingcake
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  Speaker 3: for example during Marty Gaul or if you get the baby,
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  Speaker 3: then that means you're king for a day. Or there's
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  Speaker 3: other Christmas. It's not Christmas, but there are other holiday
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  Speaker 3: festive baking traditions where if you get a sixpence in
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  Speaker 3: your figgy pudding I believe in the United Kingdom, then
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  Speaker 3: that also means something that you're some sort of special
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  Speaker 3: boy for a day. And that came from the tradition
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  Speaker 3: of I believe, putting a sixpence or some other small
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  Speaker 3: trinket into a dish that was then consumed in. Whoever
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  Speaker 3: got the little thing was awarded to be the Lord misrule.
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  Speaker 1: Ah. Yes, with consequences in the coming year. Right, dating
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  Speaker 1: back to Saturnalia, that's exactly right, Ben, I meant to
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  Speaker 1: bring that up.
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  Speaker 3: It is something that carried on into the Tutor era
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  Speaker 3: and Elizabethan era. And you know more, I believe in
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  Speaker 3: the medieval eras as well, but it is another one
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  Speaker 3: of those pagan origin stories.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to be super conservative on this episode, folks.
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  Speaker 1: All the stuff you love about Christmas comes from somewhere else,
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  Speaker 1: to be quite honest, And I gotta ask you guys,
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  Speaker 1: have any of us ever gone caroling.
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  Speaker 3: I've been a was I've been a wassailin. I've been
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  Speaker 3: a was sailed. I've been a wassailent.
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  Speaker 1: It's true, Nolan Ben, Yes, Max knew.
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  Speaker 3: I think there was one time I went with some
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  Speaker 3: neighborhood folk when my mother was living in her neighborhood,
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  Speaker 3: and I played guitar. I accompanied the the revelers on guitar.
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  Speaker 3: So most of those songs are really easy to play. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you got the cords down. That's cool man, Max. You're
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  Speaker 3: going to have a good time when you do it,
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  Speaker 3: so long as you do not practice anything other than
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  Speaker 3: the current Caroline or was sailing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you can't hold me down. But before
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  Speaker 2: I dive into caroling, I do want to just quote
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  Speaker 2: a little something off of Wikipedia, which is sure I
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  Speaker 2: think is a drinking game and internet meme that gained
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  Speaker 2: prominence in twenty ten in which all feels a bottle
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  Speaker 2: of Samaranov eyes, which in which another person will find it.
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  Speaker 2: I've had this stuff for about fifty You're like.
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  Speaker 1: A moray eel man you bite in.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and also like you know, establishing mores that we
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  Speaker 3: were not aware of. Max, I was not questioning whether
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  Speaker 3: it was a real thing or not. It's just something
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  Speaker 3: that has absolutely not crossed my radar in all of
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  Speaker 3: my forty something years of existence. So, yeah, mean behaviors,
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  Speaker 3: that's a relatively new thing.
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  Speaker 1: And Max, over the centuries that I have been required
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  Speaker 1: to be here, I have been aware of pranks like that.
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  Speaker 1: They pop up every so often, and if anything, Man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just glad that you're safe.
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  Speaker 2: Me too. But you know, it was also another horrifying beverage, watle.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a fortified wine or is it sort of
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  Speaker 3: like a mead situation. It seems like you'd be thick,
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  Speaker 3: So let's get to that.
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  Speaker 2: So I was doing a little research on side thanks
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  Speaker 2: to the website Yesterday is America, which I'm referencing here
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  Speaker 2: with the article the Little Known History of the Caroling Tradition. So,
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  Speaker 2: according to the article, caroling or wastle, as it's already
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  Speaker 2: been referenced, actually dates back to the thirteenth century, so
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  Speaker 2: the twelve hundred's. But it wasn't always a Christmas tradition,
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  Speaker 2: and it wasn't even always about singing. It was actually
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  Speaker 2: more about going around to people's houses and wishing them
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  Speaker 2: good cheer and warmth like during the holidays, at least.
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  Speaker 1: According to them, but according to like the wholesome story.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going to interject here because we want to
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  Speaker 1: get in front of our ridiculous historians who might be
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  Speaker 1: angry about this. It is kind of racketeering.
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  Speaker 2: It is get that. We'll get to that, but do.
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  Speaker 3: You mean it's it's like a bit of like a
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  Speaker 3: being a vacuum cleaner salesman.
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  Speaker 1: Little holiday cheer you got over here? Okay, okay, it
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  Speaker 1: sounds like you guys got some food, would do a
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  Speaker 1: little sort.
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  Speaker 2: But so I bring this up because this is actually
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  Speaker 2: where the beverage wastle comes from, because part of the
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  Speaker 2: tradition that say bring this warm beverage to people to
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  Speaker 2: help keep them warm. I found what it was. It
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  Speaker 2: didn't sound very appetizing.
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  Speaker 1: It's with it.
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  Speaker 2: And figs, and I it's a medieval spice drink, but
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't until so it's a liquid fruitcake kind of yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but it wasn't until this gentleman by the name of
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  Speaker 2: Saint Francis of ass which he would kind of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: merge them together. But that's not what we're really talking
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  Speaker 2: about today. We're going to talk about this tradition and
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  Speaker 2: special thanks here too, Ammy Glover over at BuzzFeed in
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  Speaker 2: the article that we a lot of us were referencing
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  Speaker 2: from today or about how caroling used to be kind
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  Speaker 2: of more of a shakedown job than anything where basically
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  Speaker 2: kids would go where you know, young men would go
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  Speaker 2: knock on doors of well more well to do people
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  Speaker 2: and sing and then be like, now you owe us stuff,
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  Speaker 2: you know us food or potatoes.
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  Speaker 1: It's the old version of running up to someone at
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  Speaker 1: a stoplight and non consensually cleaning their windshield.
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  Speaker 3: It's also certainly got a lot in common with more
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  Speaker 3: anarchistic if that's a word version of trick or treating.
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  Speaker 3: You have delivered the delightful presence of your you know,
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  Speaker 3: Halloween costume, and for that you are owed. Because the
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  Speaker 3: whole idea is if you don't have a costume, you
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  Speaker 3: don't get any candy. But if you have a costume
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  Speaker 3: and you go for the candy, you don't get the candy,
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  Speaker 3: you might be doing a trick.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, give treats or get tricks. It's the original version
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  Speaker 1: of f a.
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  Speaker 2: F oh yeah, and to like, you know, give reference
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  Speaker 2: to it. So one of the lines that they had
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  Speaker 2: they would saying would be We've come here to claim
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  Speaker 2: our right and if you don't open up your door
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  Speaker 2: will lie flat on the floor, okay, which is a
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  Speaker 2: weird which is a weird threat. I'm gonna lie on
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  Speaker 2: your ground.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like it's it's got some more sinister
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  Speaker 3: implications though, if I'm not mistaken, wasn't there pelting with
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  Speaker 3: rocks involved?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? I agree with Noel. How far does this go?
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  Speaker 1: Like the obviously the Halloween modern celebration of trick or
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  Speaker 1: treat is a sanitized descendant of these sorts of practices.
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  Speaker 1: So would the carollers actually threw stones? Would they actually
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  Speaker 1: engage in racketeering?
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  Speaker 2: There are reports of this, so is reference that there
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  Speaker 2: was a case in sixteen seventy nine in Salem where
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  Speaker 2: kids threw stones, bones and other things.
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  Speaker 1: They stones, bones, and other things. That's the name of
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  Speaker 1: our upcoming album, right, And.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just wondering, like what type of bones, Like were
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  Speaker 2: the these like animal bones or were these bones of
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  Speaker 2: previous landlords who had not given them potatoes. I'm just
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  Speaker 2: assuming that they were going for potatoes. And they would
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  Speaker 2: do this for about an hour and a half with
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  Speaker 2: and I quote little intermission, which is pretty impressive. That
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  Speaker 2: means you have to have a lot of stones and
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  Speaker 2: a decent bit of bones, and they would destroy stuff
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  Speaker 2: like rip apart fences, break stone walls at least in
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  Speaker 2: this case, and just a lot of things. And considering
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  Speaker 2: this is Salem, I'm a doing. They were all tried
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  Speaker 2: for witches afterwards and burnt.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, And that's something we all agree is awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Ten to ten no notes should have happened, he says, sarcastically.
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  Speaker 1: This is this is nuts, folks. If you are fortunate
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  Speaker 1: enough to be in an area of the world where
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  Speaker 1: people are coming up to your domicile and they're singing
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  Speaker 1: nice songs, so silent Night, Holy Night, whatever, or Christmas
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  Speaker 1: Tree or Noel, what are some of the songs you
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  Speaker 1: and your mom played?
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  Speaker 3: Oh the classics, you know, like, yeah, I mean like
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  Speaker 3: a good King Winschlass, which has got a bit of
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  Speaker 3: a dork dork dark origin itself. Good King winch just
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  Speaker 3: less was apparently like I think he was like drawn
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  Speaker 3: and quartered or like a remembered or something. But we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna ship that one for well. But no, no, I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: But you know all the GCD ones and by the
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  Speaker 3: I mean the chorus, the easy ones to play three chords, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: for sure. You know it's funny, man. I don't know
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: if you guys saw this. I sent this around to
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: a few friends the other day. The comedian in Brent Weinbach.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I love Brent.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I like Brent. Brian Bucklett too, and he did a
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: bit where he says, if you want to make a
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: new Honkkah song, just take any Christmas song and play
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: it in a minor key.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Brin's a genius. By the way, He's super
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: good at piano. He's an accomplished musician, sketchwriter, stand up comedian.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite bits from our buddy Brent is
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: when he talks about his time being a substitute teacher
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and how he thought he had it bad and he
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: realized that children had it bad as well. But they
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: made fun of him for the strangest things. They ran
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: up to him and they would find something about his
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: appearance that they would ridicule, no matter what it was.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: So they would run up to Port Brent and I
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: do believe it, it's a true story, and they would say,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: oh hell no, oh hell da, mister Weinbach, look at
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: his tight pants. They would wear baggy pants and they
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: would run up to him and they'd say, oh, hell nah,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: hell da, look at his baggy pants. Look at mister
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: W's baggy pants. So you can't win. It's a Kobeashi maru.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: And one of the things we're establishing here is that
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: your celebration of Christmas or the end of the year,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: your mileage is going to vary based on where you're
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: located and what your family likes to do. It might
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: surprise a lot of us, as we're talking about off air,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: to learn that spider themed things can play a role
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: in the most famous birthday celebration ever. For sure.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I love a good I don't know we did
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: the Halloween crossover, I guess with a little bit more
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: chaotic caroling, a little more quid pro quo caroling. You know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: comparing it to trick or treating, and this kind of
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: this feels similar in that there's you know, spiders involved.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: So this idea of a spider, a Christmas spider or
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: a mule tiede spider being used as a decoration on
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Christmas trees, which is I think a little bit more
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: popular in Ukraine and in parts of Germany and Eastern Europe.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: But there are several fables surrounding the idea of a
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Christmas spider, and there's some that conjecture that it is
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: directly these these tales are directly what led to the
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: popularity of Tinsel. So in one version of the story,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: most often attributed to Ukraine and Germany, a widowed mother
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: has a Christmas tree, but it does not have enough
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: money to properly decorate it. So, in true Cinderella style,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: the woodland creatures come to her aid, specifically maybe a
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: little bit more of a Charlotte's Web style friendly spiders
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: who come and spend their elaborate ways all over this
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: evergreen tree. But there's a deis ex machina element to
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: it as well, because when the mother and her family
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: wake up, rather than seeing you know, spiders, webs surrounding
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: their Chris, their bear barren Christmas tree. They see when
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: the sunlight hits the tree that it magically the sunlight,
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: by some accounts, turns them into silver and gold threads, which,
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: again you can put two and two together, is kind
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: of what you see in tinsil, at least the shiny,
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: various colors. They can be all kinds of colors. But
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: that also was from that moment on when the family's
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: fortune started to turn around. And I'm sure that we've
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: all heard and I know a lot of people are
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: really scared of spiders, but they do often represent good luck,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: so you're not supposed to kill spiders because it's bad luck.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: But there are other.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Versions of the story that attribute the Christmas miracle to
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Santa or even Jesus Christ himself, who reached down from
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: monarly from always yeah, transformed those spiders webs into the
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: gold and silver tensil like material. I guess they would
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: have been actual precious metal threads that the Good Mother
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: saw before her. There are some other versions involving a
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: tree that grows from a pine cone out of doors,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: and this is kind of just a slightly different take
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: on the one I already told, but this one just
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: involves a tree growing outside, which I guess gives a
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: little more access to the spiders who then cover the
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: tree and cobwebs that are then trans What transmogrified, Ben,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: is that when things that alchemy has used to turn,
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: you know, non precious things into precious metals.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Transmography is transformation with a tie on, you know, transubstantiation.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: The Catholic Church got in front of that one, and
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: so they kind of own that word. But I think
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: we see what you're saying here, Nol, which is the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: idea that people are attempting to explain a thing. And
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: at some point over the Great Game of Telephone, the
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: spider webs a longer thing became commodified and celebrated as tensil. Right.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right, Ben, And it is a bit
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: of a trope, as you see, because there are versions
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: of it that you will see in other parts of
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: the world Scandinavia, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland. And by
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: the way, speaking of Wassail, when I was just in Copenhagen,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: very very cold, walking around on these Christmas markets, something
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: called glue wine is very very popular and it is
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: mulled wine. But that is basically what wassail is. It
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: is a spiced, fortified kind of wine that is served
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: hot and it's glue wine literally translates to glow wine
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: because it warms you up both physically and spiritually.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, are you ever drinking wine and you think this
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: stuff is too cold? Room temperature? Also, it doesn't taste
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: of potpourri.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: What if it was more like soup?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Jump in here, you guys. The bar worked out for
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: a number of years.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: We did a republic.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a mould wine every holiday season and
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: at first people look weird, and then it was the
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: most popular beverage we had ever.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: People love it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: People love a people love a tradition, you know what
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: And really quickly, just one more version of the story
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: that is a little different. This is you know, this
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: is again that great historical game of telephone that you
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: see often with reporting of actual history, but especially with
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: myths and folklore. In this one, you've got one spider
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: who's a mother spider again with the Charlotte Webbs vibes,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: and then a peasant woman and they essentially give gifts
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: to one another. With the peasant woman allowing the spider
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: and her family to live in the branches of their
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: Christmas tree, and then the mother spider rewarding or paying
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: it forward in turn by banding together with presumably her
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: little ones and decorating the tree with gorgeous shimmering webs.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: So there's no transmogrification in this version of the story.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pleasant peasant meeting a super wonderful spider
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: and they're exchanging charity, which is ultimately the parable of
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the holidays. But they don't get into a sauda, do they.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: No, no, they don't, but we do have what is it,
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: eggnog sauna?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Is that a thing?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Did I see that come through the chat?
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: It's We've talked about egnog at length.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: That's two very different things.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Oh well, you know what I mean. Fortune favors the bold, right,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: That's how you impress people in Finland. Apparently you rock
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: up to the soda and you say, hey, guys, I
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: was going to heat up this agnog for you, but
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I figured we just sit here and then run outside
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: and beat the Christ out of each other with fur branches.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: We did learn, courtesy of our group chat, that there
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: is a sorta based tradition in Christmas. So let's go
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: to none other than super producer mister Max Williams. Max,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: what's going on with the sauna thing?
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: I think I may have transmographied some topics together in
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: my mind in the form of eggnog sauna, because there
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: is a tradition in Finland and sauna culture where they
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: have sauna sausages and they cook them like whilst in
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: the saunas.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: And there actually is in Korean sauna's sauna eggs, but
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: supposedly they don't cook them in the sauna.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: And film we don't cook him in the sauna.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: And Finland they do very much enjoy cooking things. But
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: just in general, so snic culture is We've talked about this.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: We talked about this in our Sausage War episode from
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: an other years back. It's this kind of part of
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Finland culture in general, but especially around Christmas Eve, the
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: colder months of the year, you are supposed to really
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: enjoy a lot of time in the saunas. And I
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: kind of want to talk about Man, you dropped the
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: finish word earlier, so I'm gonna try to drop one
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: as well, which is okay, it is kuash makra.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: You nailed it, Max, Why don't you see you just
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: invoke an eldridge horror from the depths. Yeah, it's like
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: saying Cardi B's real name. It sounds like a spell, Max,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Can you spell that for us? Speaking of spells?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, it is k I u A s m A
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: kka r a ah.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Yes, of course.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: I should have known.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: That is Actually what it means is stove sausage. But
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: it is sausages that people traditionally cook in the sauna,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: so it takes a little bit longer. But what you
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: generally do is you put it in with some onions,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: pour some beer in there, and just uh, let it cook.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: So presumably you're talking about the coals that you would
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: pour water over to generate the steam. You're cooking them
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: on that same little little little do dad.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, this is way more hygienic, doesn't way less
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: unusual that it sounds because uh. To Max's earlier point, Nol,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the idea of the sauda is uh is normalized in
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Finnish culture, such that if you move into an apartment
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: building that doesn't have a sauna, then people are going
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: to think you've moved into the you know, the jets,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the bandos. Uh, it's it's a it's a cool tradition.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: Also we after it's a hot tradition. Also we have
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to remember that it's pretty cold up there this time
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: of year.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Also, according to the Google AI in Finland, Boo in Finland,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: which has five and a half million people, there is
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: estimated to be three million saunas.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, sometimes you got to get hot.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: And in Europe in general, I mean you're going to
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: see a lot more of like a public pool culture too,
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Like in the even urban areas, like you will see
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: these very elaborate public bathhouses. And that's true in other
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: parts of the world as well, obviously, but it's very
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: much a part of just day to day culture, whether
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: kids are it's sort of like a YMC eight thing,
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: but there's just so many more of them, and they're
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: so clean, and there are very much saunas and steam
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: rooms incorporated into these.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: It immaculately maintained to your point there, No, we also
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: know that people pretty much are looking for excuses to
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: ritualize community, hanging out with friends and family, celebrating the
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: beginning of one year the ending of the other. This
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: brings us to a lot of I don't know if
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: we're going to get to all of this, guys, but
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: we've got to say it. You know, I used to
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: live in Central America and one thing they do over
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: there in Guatemala and specific is a thing called La
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Cama del Diablo.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: It's something of the devil.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you nailed it, You nailed it. It's on
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: December seventh. The whole town gets together and they essentially
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: take out all the trash and all the stuff they
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: want to get rid of, and they make it into
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: an effigy of the actual devil, right like what they
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: see as Satan, and then they burn it to represent
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the triumph of good over evil. This dates way back
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: to the sixteenth century, so the fifteen hundreds when the
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Conquistadors came over, they established their capital and Antigua, and
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: they immediately began building, you know, convents, monasteries, churches, and
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: telling the native people, Hey, this is why we're doing
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: all this mean stuff to you. We're giving everybody a
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: break on December seventh, because tomorrow, December eighth, is the
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: feast of the Immaculate Conception. Shout out to Mary. And
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: as a result, it became a tradition to celebrate that
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: big feast day on December eighth by lighting firecrackers and
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: bonfires and lanterns and then picking up all the stuff
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: you had at home and building a little devil figure
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: and then burning it. We're all about burning the effigies
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: in today's episode. I love it, Ben, I'm here for it. Hey.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: It's weird that it's a commonality between so many any
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: different cultures, is it not. I mean the sorta guys,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: you know, shout out to our Finnish ridiculous historians. If
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: you could get away with burning it historically, you would
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: have done the same thing, you know what I mean.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: That's just I feel that that's entirely likely.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or you could uh maybe poop, you could, you
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: could you could maybe bring poop into the conversation.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Well that's what you've just done that And I I'm
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: glad because if I didn't have anything to follow that
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: up with, I would feel quite foolish. But in fact,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: that was a glorious setup for a bit of a
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: follow up on a character out of the Catalonia region
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: of Spain that we've definitely talked about in the past,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: the the pooper, the little pooping fellow. What's his name, ben,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: I kind thet do that's the guy cogt dio. The
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: pooper or the ster in fact, is another term that's
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: used a lot. I'm a little foggy on the separation
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: of these two versions, because there's definitely a the version
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: of Cagatillo, who is a little fellow who sits with
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: his little butt in his pants down, his little butt
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: hanging over at the edge of something like in the
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: Nativity scene, and he's dropping a poo. And it came
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: from the Catalonian tradition of trying to fertilize the Nativity
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: to make it, you know, more conducive to growth and nurturing.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: And I don't know it's it's it's a wild one.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: But we have were seen the soil, right.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: I think there were plenty of farm animals around to
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: do that, though, so I'm not sure why they needed
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: a little, a little puckish boy.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: You can't burn the goats forever, You'll run out of goats.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: That's true. I don't know that we need to that
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: there is any version of the atrition that burns Cagatillo.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: But we had talked about this guy in this notion
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: that he was often hidden word for children to find,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: almost like an elf on the shelf. And in fact,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of elf on the shelf commonality with
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: Cogatillo because there is a there's no surveillance state.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Aspect, a lot of commonality.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I'll take that one next. I'll take that one.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: The facts.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: That seeking in the fun and peaceful in knowledge.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: It's just for you right now.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: The fact.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: So we're back. Uh No, I'm really interested in this
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: elf on the shelf comparison because I think you're I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: think you're onto something and we have talked about we
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: have talked about you, which again is just uh the
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: word just means uncle. But I think we're we're talking
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: about a log as a anthropomorphized thing, right.
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: I do want to walk back really quickly lest any
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Spanish speaking folks on the audience are screaming at their
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: podcast device. There is El kaganair, which is why I
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: was describing that is a little dude that can be
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: you know, created in uh ornament form. He's wearing a
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: little hat and with some linen shirt and he's got
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: his pants down Popula squad taking a poop, you know, whatever.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: You can sit him on a ledge in the Nativity scene.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: This is one version of the pooping tradition there in Catalonia, which,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: of course the most well known part of that region
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: would be Barcelona, which is the capital of the Autonomous
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Region of Catalonia, which is also known for its excellent
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: seafood and cuisine. The one we're talking about now that
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: I wanted to follow up with is Cagatillo, which is
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: this Christmas log that is an anthropomorphized cartoon ish Christmas
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: log that itself also poops.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, the i it is, but he also poops.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: You also have to abuse this poor guy TiO deta
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: doll to get your wishes or whatever. There's there's a
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: whole song about it which we talked about. Cagatillo avees
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: little gandas it's uh, it translates to max is gonna
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: be a lot of beeps, but the salt translates. One
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: of the most popular variants to shit teo, hazel nuts
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: and nugats. Do not herrings, for they are too salty.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Nuggats for they taste better. Sh Teo almonds and nugats.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: And if you don't want to ship, I will hit
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: you with a stick sh to you.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: It's exactly right, Ben. That's one of the more popular
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: and delightful versions of the song that the kids sing
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: while walloping it with sticks. But they also are meant
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: to take care of it, almost like a tamagachi or
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: like one of those like bags of flour that you
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: were supposed to carry around in you know, middle school
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: as a you know, proof that you could, you know,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: care for a baby.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Well, think I'm not letting that go. You had to
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: carry around a bag of.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: Five I did it, but it was a thing that
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: I've known to have happened in in in school. And
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: there's actually it's I think there's an episode of some
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: popular you know what it was. I think it was
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: a Strangers with Candy. There's a there's a version of
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: that sort of high like middle school trope of taking
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: care of like a bag of flower, and then of
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: course someone loses the bag of flower or drops the
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: bag of flower. YadA, YadA, YadA. But the point is
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: if you do take good care of this holiday log,
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  Speaker 3: you are rewarded, and you mentioned things like nugats, Ben. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it goes on to say do not poop herring because
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: they're too salty, only nugets because they taste better almonds
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  Speaker 3: and nugats. And if you don't want to poop, I
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  Speaker 3: will hit you with a stick poop too. So if
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  Speaker 3: you do a good job and you keep him warm,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: it's weird because you're spposed to keep him warm with
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: a blanket, but you're all supposed to smack him around
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  Speaker 3: so that he keeps you warm. Full of contradictions.
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  Speaker 1: This it's we're kind of raising children to take care
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  Speaker 1: of a thing and then betray it, which is wild.
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  Speaker 1: But if you want to if you want to hear
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  Speaker 1: the lyrics in full or check out the song, all
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  Speaker 1: you have to do is for Cogateillo on YouTube or
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  Speaker 1: your listening platform of choice. We've got gosh, we've got
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  Speaker 1: so much more that we might have to save for
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  Speaker 1: next year. You guys, I know we didn't get to
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: let's see some of our favorites. We didn't get to
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the Night of the Radishes. That might be twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: six delos Rabatos, bro.
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  Speaker 3: What if we combined that with the Night of the
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  Speaker 3: Cannibalistic Scarecrow, Right, that's like some goosebump stuff right there.
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  Speaker 3: There was like almost Dracula esque tale from Germany of
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  Speaker 3: this black Night, and Germany did horrible things names Hans Trump,
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  Speaker 3: who was then turned into a a scarecrow who would
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  Speaker 3: haunt the knights, devouring hapless children and used as sort
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  Speaker 3: of a teachable monster, right like Belsnickel or the Crampus.
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  Speaker 1: And for everybody here who knows a little bit of Spanish,
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  Speaker 1: the Night of the Radishes that the translation in English
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  Speaker 1: is it's a day in Mexico that is overwhelmingly dedicated
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  Speaker 1: to carving radishes into cool into cool holiday themed scenes.
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  Speaker 3: That pretty done because the earliest jack O lanterns, I
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  Speaker 3: believe we're radishes or turnips, and on our other show stuff,
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  Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. We're always talking about
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: digging up the rude begas and we do that year round.
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  Speaker 3: So this is what a good one to end on.
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  Speaker 1: Ben.
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, I think this has been a fun listical episode,
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  Speaker 3: a Christmas listical, a chrystical listical.
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  Speaker 1: It's a Christmas gift from us to you. Even though
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: not all of us celebrate Christmas, we know Christmas is
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: whether or not you celebrate the famous birthday. It's a
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: good time to get together with your friends, your left ones,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: it's the end of the year, old Lady sign and
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: all of that. We can't thank you enough for joining
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  Speaker 1: us here today, folks, and we cannot wait for you
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  Speaker 1: to join us for our future episode, Future Future twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six. If we're still able to do this, we're
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: gonna get to the Night of.
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  Speaker 3: The Radishes, Night of the Radishes, and maybe the Night
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: of the Scarecrow, because that actually that Hans Won Traps
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: or Hans Trap story goes pretty deep into some pretty
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: dark territories. So maybe a fun slash dark one to
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: do as well, even in the new year. What do
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: we care we're not seasonally bouncing to any topic.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we're just not punctual.
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, eighteen ninety seven. By the way, that's how far
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: the Night of the Radishes dates back. Because for anybody
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: who is listening now, you know the Radishes were not
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: from North and South America. They are part of the
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Great Transfer, and we transfer now the torch to you.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Big big thanks to our super producer mister Max Williams,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: big big thing thanks to our composer Alex Williams. A
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  Speaker 1: big thanks to Oh I don't want to do it yet, No,
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  Speaker 1: let's say Christopher Hasioti Sieves, Jeff Goat Here in spirit,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Here in Christmas Spirit, Here in Christmas Spirit. Who else? Oh,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: big Spinach, Mohammas Copenhagen, that's you.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Me, Jonathan Strickland, the Quizzers. Yeah, well, you know, it's Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: We'll let a good all right, we'll let it good.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: We are gonna take some time off with our families
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: and loved ones and friends for the holidays, So you're
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: gonna hear a few more classics, but we will see
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: you refreshed and rejuvenated in the new year. We'll see
• 43:40
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• 43:53
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