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131 Al Santariga Witnessed a Dogman Behavior So Bizarre Even Cryptid Experts Can't Explain It · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: There was this massive dog man and he had already
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  Speaker 1: had one Paul, massive Paul on my front and chilled,
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  Speaker 1: and one Paul right above my mirror on the driver's side,
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  Speaker 1: and the driver's side of my car just pushed down,
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  Speaker 1: just the weight of it just put pushed down, and
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  Speaker 1: the Paul that was on my front windshield, my windshield
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  Speaker 1: started cracking.
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  Speaker 2: And held it and held it and held it. And
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  Speaker 2: then while I was holding it, but it's like the
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  Speaker 2: ground underneath me just kind of opened up and I
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  Speaker 2: just kind of fell through the planet. He wasn't moving,
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't blinking, like there was a complete like just
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  Speaker 2: like blankness to his face, like there was this there
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  Speaker 2: was nothing there. I rubbed my out of my truck.
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  Speaker 2: I jump out the truck and our talk and that's
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  Speaker 2: what I knew it was. It was this god mare.
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  Speaker 2: There would be a real low general Brown. One more
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  Speaker 2: step and he's going to be in clear view. And
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  Speaker 2: he takes that one.
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  Speaker 3: More step and he just it was like he just
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  Speaker 3: stepped behind an invisible curtain and he wasn't there anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Ia Jupiter. This is episode one
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  Speaker 3: and thirty one with none other than my friend Al
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  Speaker 3: Santa Rica from the Bronxville Paranormal Society. Al is an incredible,
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  Speaker 3: incredible person. Someone gave him the name the squatch Father,
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  Speaker 3: the squatch Father, I think it was someone gave it
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  Speaker 3: to me. I don't know why it stuck, but I
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  Speaker 3: came on and he told me about his latest encounter
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  Speaker 3: that he had out of his property there in New
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  Speaker 3: York where this dog man came up chasing a raccoon
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  Speaker 3: and then something happened after that that Al was shocked by.
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  Speaker 3: Even Jody Cook, the president of the North American dog
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  Speaker 3: Man Project, who I've had on multiple times too, was
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  Speaker 3: shot by and as far as they know, they haven't
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  Speaker 3: heard of anybody, you know, seeing this behavior before. So
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  Speaker 3: I'll let I'll get into that. Thank you so much,
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  Speaker 3: Al for coming on. I really appreciate that. So if
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  Speaker 3: you guys keep coming back to the show. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you could do so at the Jupiter Podcast at gmail
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  Speaker 3: all links down in the description there. And I hope
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  Speaker 3: you guys enjoyed this episode with al Santa Rica.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing. Thanks for having me brother. It's good
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  Speaker 2: to be Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure, man, It's always a pleasure. Have
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  Speaker 3: you been I've been good.
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  Speaker 2: I've been laying low. I haven't really done a lot
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  Speaker 2: of interviews in a long time, just chilling out and uh,
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  Speaker 2: just you know, taking into family life and stuff like
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  Speaker 2: that and working around the house and you know, getting
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  Speaker 2: my ship together. Other than that, just just kind of
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting ready to get started again. I was talking
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  Speaker 2: to Chris ryan Hart and he's itching to go out too.
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  Speaker 2: I'm itching to go out, and uh, talking to a
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  Speaker 2: few other people that want to start getting into it,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, investigating and stuff and and
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  Speaker 2: they and they're they're looking to come out as well.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I told Chris I'd like to go
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  Speaker 2: out at least four times this year, and uh, he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna come down to my locations I'm going to go
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  Speaker 2: up to his locations and should be a very interesting thing, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, absolutely, man. I mean, I think the season starts
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  Speaker 3: right in October, doesn't it. We're like leaves fall down
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  Speaker 3: a little, but it's not so not so hot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah no, but I want to go. I want to
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  Speaker 2: go out the spring summer, which were in fall this year.
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  Speaker 2: I like to hit it four times. I was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to do a ghost investigation at one hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: year old Mason Lodge a couple of weeks ago, and
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  Speaker 2: talked to my partner, Brian Bowden. He's up from Florida,
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  Speaker 2: and I told him get you know, why don't we
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  Speaker 2: go there? YadA, YadA, YadA, And he's like, yeah, we
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  Speaker 2: were both planned on going, and then I hurt my
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  Speaker 2: back and so I had to give my I gave
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  Speaker 2: my ticket to a friend of mine that I work with,
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  Speaker 2: and then Brian had issues with his car, so he
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  Speaker 2: didn't go either, So neither one of us went. You know,
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  Speaker 2: but that was that was interesting to get out there
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  Speaker 2: as well, you know. But yeah, so I've been laying
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  Speaker 2: low and I've done and I did another investigation and
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  Speaker 2: it felt like it was like in a abandoned home
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  Speaker 2: for children and stuff, and it felt like the energy there,
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  Speaker 2: it felt like the energy there was children. It was
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  Speaker 2: it was a millionaire's home, and then it became something
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  Speaker 2: to do with the church. The church owned it, and
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  Speaker 2: then the state owned it and made it a orphanage
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  Speaker 2: or something like that. But it felt like the only
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  Speaker 2: people there were the children, and it felt like they
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  Speaker 2: were hiding from us all night. It just felt like
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  Speaker 2: their energy, like they didn't know what we were doing
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  Speaker 2: and they were confused and stuff like that. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: we had some stuff, we got some uh and some
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  Speaker 2: of the instruments to light up and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 2: but nothing really the right home about. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: didn't even I didn't even post anything on it on
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  Speaker 2: the BPS page or anything, because it was it just
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  Speaker 2: felt like the first time there, they didn't know what
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  Speaker 2: was going on and they were hiding from us. And
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  Speaker 2: I think once we get to go back there more often,
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  Speaker 2: I think we'll have a lot more success there. But
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  Speaker 2: recently I was we got two black bears living in
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  Speaker 2: my backyard up in the woods, right. I got one
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  Speaker 2: hundred acres of woods in the back of the house.
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  Speaker 2: I got another one hundred acres of wetland across the street,
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  Speaker 2: and the guy owns the property behind me has trail
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  Speaker 2: cams up in the woods, and he's good friends with
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  Speaker 2: my son in the lawn and with my cousin, and
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  Speaker 2: he's telling them, yeah, you know, we got black bears
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  Speaker 2: roaming around up there all the time. Now, I mean
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  Speaker 2: I had less summer, had one at my back door
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  Speaker 2: looking to come in. So anyway, I was getting ready,
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  Speaker 2: it was May, early May, was getting ready to cut
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  Speaker 2: the grass, and I was doing it like the winter
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  Speaker 2: clean up, right, picking up all the sticks and shit
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  Speaker 2: that fell on the lawn. They want to drive over
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  Speaker 2: with the lawnmower. And I got a fire pit, big,
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  Speaker 2: big fire pit. It's six feet in diameter. But the
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  Speaker 2: town had a no burning thing going on at the time, right,
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  Speaker 2: So I think, well, you know, it's not like I'm
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  Speaker 2: burning in a burn barrel and say anything about not
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  Speaker 2: having any fire pits, you know, if I want to
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  Speaker 2: make schmores or whatever. Right, So I threw all the
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  Speaker 2: sticks and everything into the fire pit, and my neighbors
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  Speaker 2: to the right of me, a young couple. They go
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  Speaker 2: back down to where they moved up from on the
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  Speaker 2: weekends and hang out with their friends. And my other
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  Speaker 2: neighbor on the other side of me. He races, he's
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  Speaker 2: got he's got a director. He races the weekend up
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  Speaker 2: at the track. Doesn't have anybody that could actually see
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  Speaker 2: what I was doing. So I said, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: this would be a good time to burn. I go
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  Speaker 2: out there one night, well, Saturday night, when when everybody's away,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll burn all this crap up and everybody nobody
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  Speaker 2: will know any better. So I'm out there. I got
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  Speaker 2: my pistol grip shotgun with me because no, because I
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  Speaker 2: got these two black bears running red, you know. And
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have the yard set up with any of
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  Speaker 2: the any of the teaky torches or the light over
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  Speaker 2: the zeebow and even have the bug lights up or anything.
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  Speaker 2: You know. It's just real early in the season. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting out there and I got the fire going,
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  Speaker 2: I got the hose next to the fire pit. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sitting on the deck. I'm listening to the Yankee game,
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  Speaker 2: you know, on the radio, and I hear screaming coming
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  Speaker 2: out of the woods, like this crazy screaming that I've
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  Speaker 2: never heard before in my life. And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: what the hell is this noise, and I hear it
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  Speaker 2: coming down the hill. Now my yard, I have two yards.
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  Speaker 2: I have an immediate backyard and I have a far backyard.
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  Speaker 2: And my neighbor's yard is a little further back than
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  Speaker 2: mine because because of my immediate backyard, so I can't
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  Speaker 2: really from where I'm sitting, I can't see what's going
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  Speaker 2: on at the furthest point of his backyard. He's got
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  Speaker 2: like a ten foot ten foot long it's like in
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  Speaker 2: the shape of a sea six foot hig. I send
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  Speaker 2: a block wall that he uses as a fire pit,
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  Speaker 2: and he takes all the ashes and he dumps the
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  Speaker 2: behind the wall when he's done. So I hear something
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  Speaker 2: coming down on his property. Now there's not a lot
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  Speaker 2: of foliage left, not a lot of foliage yet I'm
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  Speaker 2: either one of our properties, you know. The woods is
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  Speaker 2: still kind of bear barren. And I hear the screaming,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm listening to the Yankee game, listening to his screaming,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, what the hell is coming? So it's
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  Speaker 2: ever running down the hill. Something is chasing it. Because
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  Speaker 2: what's ever chasing it is taking trees down. Sounds like
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  Speaker 2: a bulldozer. So on the end, of my pistol grip. Shatkun.
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  Speaker 2: I have one hundred luma fleshlight, okay, So I put
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  Speaker 2: the flashlight on the gun. I turn it on, and
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  Speaker 2: I start to walk over to the edge of my
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  Speaker 2: property and I hear like claws climbing up the brick wall.
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  Speaker 2: So I put the flesh light on my nigh brick
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  Speaker 2: wall to see what the hell is going up the wall,
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  Speaker 2: and I see this raccoon climbental and it jumps up
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  Speaker 2: onto this tree. Now the tree it jumped on, small tree,
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  Speaker 2: maybe six inches in diameter, not really big, straight up.
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  Speaker 2: It goes straight up. So I got the flesh light.
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  Speaker 2: I'm following this raccoon up the tree, and it's screaming
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  Speaker 2: like bloody murder, and I don't see anything yet. And
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  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, I see this black shape
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  Speaker 2: come down to the fire pit and it's standing. It's
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  Speaker 2: above it's above my neighbor's fire wall, which is six
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  Speaker 2: feet high. Right now, I don't know if it's standing
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  Speaker 2: on all the ash. My neighbor's been thrown back there
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  Speaker 2: for thirty years, so I can't really get a good
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  Speaker 2: judge on how tall this thing is. I'm gonna say
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  Speaker 2: it was at least six feet tall. So it's got
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  Speaker 2: its back to me and it's walking the tree down backwards, right,
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  Speaker 2: he's pulling the tree down, but it's walking it down.
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  Speaker 2: So now I turned the flesh light on it, and
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  Speaker 2: I can see it's a dog man. Dog man is
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  Speaker 2: in my neighbor's backyard going after this little this raccoon.
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  Speaker 2: And it doesn't see me yet because it had its
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  Speaker 2: back to me as it was pulling the tree down.
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  Speaker 2: It spins around to face the raccoon because now it's
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  Speaker 2: got the tree arched over right right, and it's it's
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  Speaker 2: turns around to face the raccoon, and h I hit
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  Speaker 2: it with the flesh light right in the face. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the thought of shooting this thing never crossed my mind. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: as a matter of fact, I remember saying to myself,
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  Speaker 2: don't point the gun at it. But at the same
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  Speaker 2: time I'm saying that to my head self. I got
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  Speaker 2: the fleshlight at the end of the gun. I'm pointing
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  Speaker 2: it at it right, and then you know, and then
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  Speaker 2: that reality, my dad wakes up, I wake my up,
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  Speaker 2: and I say, how could I not point the gun out?
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  Speaker 2: And I got the fleshlight on it. And for some reason,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know how this happened, the thought thing
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  Speaker 2: I chambered around, My arm chambered around without my brain
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  Speaker 2: telling it to Okay. I again, I don't know why
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  Speaker 2: I went like this. I don't know. And I as
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  Speaker 2: soon as I chambered around, this thing looked at me
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  Speaker 2: like when it first seen me. It looked at me
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  Speaker 2: like it was shocked, like where did you come from?
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  Speaker 2: You know? And then when I chambered around, it let
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  Speaker 2: the tree go. And I thought that tree was gonna
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  Speaker 2: go straight up in the end, that raccoon was going
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  Speaker 2: to go flying. But the tree never went back up.
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  Speaker 2: It stayed in that arch. It must have really damaged
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  Speaker 2: that tree badly when it was pulling it. Okay, which
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  Speaker 2: sprives the shit out of me, because I thought for
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  Speaker 2: sure that raccoon was gonna go flying, like three yards
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  Speaker 2: over right. And then it looked at me after let
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  Speaker 2: go to tree, and it started to run back up
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  Speaker 2: to hill the way it came. And I ran over
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  Speaker 2: to the to the firewall where my neighbor is, my
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  Speaker 2: neighbor's yard is, and I'm looking at it with the
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  Speaker 2: I'm watching it run up the hill with the one
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  Speaker 2: hundred lom of flesh light on it, and it did
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  Speaker 2: something that I that the thought never crossed my mind.
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  Speaker 2: It did. It started to serpentine up to hill, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, what am I seeing here? This thing is
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  Speaker 2: serpentine and up to hill?
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  Speaker 3: Do you mean this one that's belly? No?
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's it's it's on its two legs running,
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  Speaker 2: but it's running like this, Okay, you know, it's going
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  Speaker 2: from left to right to left right, And I'm thinking,
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  Speaker 2: what the hell am I watching here? This thing is
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  Speaker 2: serpent time. I've never heard of. In all the years
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  Speaker 2: I've been studying this stuff and all the times I've
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  Speaker 2: ran into these creatures, I've never seen one run. I
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  Speaker 2: see one run straight up the hill before, but I've
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  Speaker 2: never seen one serpent time. And I'm looking at this
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  Speaker 2: and my and it's like everything is happening in slow motion, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: like time is standing still, and I'm trying to wrap
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  Speaker 2: my brain around what I just seen. I think I've
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  Speaker 2: never seen a dog man serpent time before. I've never
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  Speaker 2: heard anybody else say that. You know, all the years
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  Speaker 2: I've been listening to podcasts and researching and talking to
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  Speaker 2: all the dog man researches. Talking to Jody Cook, I
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  Speaker 2: asked Jody. Jody said he's never heard that before. Never,
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  Speaker 2: And so now it leaves, I'm in a fog. I
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  Speaker 2: walk back to the fire pit. I put the fire
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  Speaker 2: out with the hose. I'm like, I'm done out here tonight.
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  Speaker 2: I leave the holes. I don't even roll the holes up.
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  Speaker 2: I just leave the hose by the fire pit. I
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  Speaker 2: shut the radio off. I bring the radio and I
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  Speaker 2: go inside and I unload the gun because now I
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  Speaker 2: got one in the chamber right. Unload the gun, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting there. I got the gun on the on
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  Speaker 2: the couch, and I'm sitting there and I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: wrap my mind around what just happened, you know what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. The dog man is chasing a raccoon down
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  Speaker 2: the hill. Ra coon is screaming like I've never heard
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  Speaker 2: anything scream before. We got Foxes back here. I have
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  Speaker 2: a whole jungle in my backyard, and I've never heard
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  Speaker 2: what that raccoon was doing. Foxes makes some weird noise too,
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  Speaker 2: you know, real weird, and even the bobcats and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But I've never heard that raccoon screaming like that. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm litting sitting in the couch. I don't even I
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  Speaker 2: don't I didn't even put the Yankee game back on
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  Speaker 2: when I went inside. I put like a YouTube on
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  Speaker 2: or something, right, I don't even know what I was
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  Speaker 2: watching because I'm still trying to wrap my mind about
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  Speaker 2: what I just seen. A dog man in my backyard,
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  Speaker 2: a dog man serpentine up the hill so not to
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  Speaker 2: get shot, Like how does it know to do this?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm still trying to figure out why did my
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  Speaker 2: arm load the gun? I never I never gave it.
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  Speaker 2: I never get my brain never said load the gun,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. The thought never came into
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  Speaker 2: my mind that I was gonna shoot it. I wasn't
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  Speaker 2: planning on shooting anything. The only reason I had the
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  Speaker 2: gun was for the black bears I have in my yard,
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  Speaker 2: and I figured, if one comes in the yard, I'll
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  Speaker 2: just put a round over its head into the trees
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  Speaker 2: and it'll run away, you know, right. But like never
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  Speaker 2: expecting to see that. My wife comes out of the bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: She's in the bedroom, Martity, and she goes out. She goes,
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  Speaker 2: it's wrong with you, And I'm like, no, nothing's wrong
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  Speaker 2: with me. She gives yeah, something's wrong with you. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, nothing's wrong with me. And I'm in denial,
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  Speaker 2: like no, nothing's wrong with me. She's like, okay, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: and she goes on her merry way, and I'm putting
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  Speaker 2: the gun away and putting the you know, safety on
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  Speaker 2: the gun, the trigger lock and all that crap, and
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  Speaker 2: putting it back in this case and putting the bullets
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  Speaker 2: in the in the witch McCall it beholder and everything.
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  Speaker 2: And the whole night I just sat there on the
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  Speaker 2: couch trying to wrap my mind around why did my
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  Speaker 2: arm load the gun without me telling it to load
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  Speaker 2: the gun? And why did this thing surpent? How did
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  Speaker 2: this thing know the serpentine? Like I said, this thing
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  Speaker 2: was only I'm gonna say it was only sixty. So
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  Speaker 2: then I went over to the wall and I took pictures.
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  Speaker 2: The next day I went over to the wall and
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  Speaker 2: I took pictures of the neighbors, fire pitting and the tree.
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  Speaker 2: Because the tree never went back up. I mean now
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  Speaker 2: slowly and gradually it's climbing, but even now a month later,
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  Speaker 2: right two months later, it's still at like fifty percent
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  Speaker 2: of an arch, you know what I mean, Where before
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  Speaker 2: it was like, you know, seventy five. So I don't
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  Speaker 2: think the tree is ever gone back up. Whatever it
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  Speaker 2: did when it yanked it down, it must have really
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: screwed it up on the inside, you know. Yeah, because
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: there was a young sapling. It was only six inches
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: in circumference, you know what I mean, diameter. So it's
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: just weird, just weird shit. And I talked to Jody
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: about it, and Jody's like, now, I never heard that,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: And I've reached out to a bunch of other a
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: dog man people, and no one has ever heard of
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: a dog man, you know, serpentiming when it actually ran away.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: It might have been like a just a natural reflex man.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: You know, you're out there, just thing is in front
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: of you, you got it in your hand, you just click,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: It's just that's what Jody said. It was probably what
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: do they call it, fight or flight kind of clicked
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: in and your arms just went like that, you know,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: he said, He's that's what he thought it was. It
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: was just a natural fight or flight moment, and and
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: you chambered around without even thinking about chambering around, you know.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I like, just think I can't get
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: my mind around that. You know what I mean?
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: You know, can you have how you've you found one
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: of these things? Why it's let's go natural in This
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: man wouldn't have forced anything. One time you told me
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: you found in the middle of a like a swampy area,
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: like a nesting area, and he actually followed you to
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: your house.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, we found the den. Yes, and he came to
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: my house twice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the one I
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: seen last month or in May was half the size
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: of the one that came to my house. You know
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: what I mean. This one was only about six feet tall.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: It didn't have a humongous head head, it was skinny, scrawny,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: probably juvenile. I don't know, you know what I mean.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: But here's a kicker. Listen to this now that raccoon
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: comes back to my house every single night, comes back
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: to my house and each the cat food that my
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: wife puts out for the cats, and tries to open
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: up my sliding glass door to come in. Fame raccoon
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: comes home, comes down every single night.
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Everything Disney movies like, oh this guy got this thing
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: away from me. Man, it's go to his house and need.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I was telling jodybody started laughing. He goes, yeah, you
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: saved its life. It's you know, he wants to be
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: your pet now. And I was like, dude, I mean
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I just like started showing up and uh, like everything
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: else shows up at my house, flood any of my
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: wife feeds everything. But it was just funny that this
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: raccoon literally tries to open the sliding glass door to
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: come in.
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, these cats here at my house are I call
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: them terrorists. They just bother you. And they there's one
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: that marks the door and it always smells and it
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: goes spread with Yeah, he's the next one to get
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: clipped when once I grab a hold of him. He's
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: hard to get though. I call him Billy, but I
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: don't think that's his name. Yeah. Yeah, they have all
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: kinds of weird names down here for their cats. They
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: give them, We give them like human names, you know,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: and they'll give him like other names, you know, and
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: it's it's always weird to go, why would you name him?
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: That's well, I would never name my son or daughter
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: that's it's a cool name for a cat, you know.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Billy was funny. So you started the Bronxville Paranormal Society
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: and then you were telling me that there was a
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: time he took some city slickers out there with you
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: and you had some interesting things happened to you.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the very first time we went to this little
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: location where I found the I found the den. We
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: were hiking up the mining road. It's it's from the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: mining road to the Appalachian Trail. It's like two miles
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and we were maybe three quarters of a mile in
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and we found a giant buck up up in the tree.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: I mean this buck, it had to be one hundred
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: and seventy five pounds if a way an ounce, and
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: it was up in a tree. I got pictures of
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: it somewhere. I was up in a tree, but it
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: was like sixty feet up in the tree. What put
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: put in a in? Like an arch? Like what a
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: tree v's out? You know? Yeah, it was putting that
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: little crup right there. And I'm looking at the stree
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: and I'm looking with my friends from the city, and
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: we're all looking, we're all taking pictures of it, and
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: they're like, what the hell did that blackbir And I'm
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: like no, And then like, BlackBerry, is it a mountain lion?
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Mountain lion is not carrying something that heavy that high up,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And the tree, the tree
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: was shaped like a fireman pole. There was no branches
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: to go from one branch that you had it literally
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: shimmy all the way up to that fork. And once
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: you got to that fork, it forked out. There were
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: branches you could actually climb further out, but there was
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: no branches up to that fork. So I said, whatever
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: carried that thing up there, threw that deer over its
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: shoulder and then shimmyed up that tree and threw this
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: over that fork on that tree for later, you know
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: what I mean. And like at this point, we didn't
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: know there were dog men in the woods, so we
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: just all assumed it was a big foot and stuff,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: you know, at least I did. And then we went
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: further down and right where what I call the area
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I called all the meadow where the appellation trail comes
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: out to the meadow and then that leads to the
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: mining road, we found a tpe. But this TP again,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I got pictures of this TP somewhere. This tpe was
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: woven with brent with tree limbs that were six inches
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: in diameter, you know what I mean. So what's got
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: the strength to weave something that thick in between other
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: other branches, and I wanted people. I wanted somebody to
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: go in there because I wanted to get a picture
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: of people in it, you know. But none of my
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: friends would go in it. So I was like, well,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: I'm going in, you know what I mean. And I
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: went in and I looked around. I didn't smell anything
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: nasty in there. And everybody's saying, no, is it a
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: hunting blanks? And no, there's no hunting in this on
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: this land. It's federal land. You can't hunt here, you
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. It's not a hunting blind because
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: just the way it was set up, it would it wasn't.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: The entrance was on the wrong side for it to
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: be a hunting blind, you know what I mean.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Okay, I got you, so that like the meadow was
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: facing the other direction.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, And and and when I went in, I
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: looked at the bedding and I seen what it was
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: using for bedding, and I was like, wow, something is
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: something big is staying in.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Here, you know what I mean? And it was big.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not a little guy, and I had
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: plenty of room, Like I could have slept in that thing.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: And it looked like it was waterproof and everything, you know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: and it had about i would say, six inches of
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: pine needles like pine branches laying on top, but not
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: just laying on top of the They were like layered
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: almost like one here, one here, one, you know what
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: So give it like a spring, yes, And.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: It was very comfortable with because the pine needles were
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: still green. They weren't dried out or anything. It was
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: still green, and it was very thick, and it was
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: very comfortable, very bouncy, and it was layered the way
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: they whatever did it layered the pine the branches. And
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: then we went on deeper into the woods and we
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: found like these stone karns that looked like you know,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Blair Witch kind of stuff, you know what I mean.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: We had some really crazy you know up here in
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: New York and East Coast, we have these stone walls
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: that run through the woods, you know, just all over
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: the place. And we came we came to one of
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: them that was running east and west in and everybody's
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: got their theories. It was their their farmer markers and
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: this that, you know what i mean. And I'm thinking, well,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: maybe these were made during the American revolutions to shoot
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: at the Red Coats, you know, all this stuff, because
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: there's two of them that run parallel to one another,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: and they're like ten feet in between, you know, the
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: space in between the first and the second one is
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: ten feet. And I'm thinking I could see being a
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: wall for like the revolutionary shooting at the Red Coats,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: but it wouldn't two landowners wouldn't create these walls right
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: next to each other ten feet apart. Because these things
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: are four feet high three feet wide, and they're all
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: stone layered stone. They're put together to last forever, you
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. That's a lot of work for
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: a marker, a property marker, you know. Then we got
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: in the middle of them, because in the middle of
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: them there was actually like a grassy area. So we
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: all decided to get in the middle of them, and
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: hand to God, all of a sudden, the wind started
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: whipping up, and it got dark, and it got it
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: got nasty, Like all of a sudden, everybody got this
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: bad vibe like maybe we're somewhere we're not supposed to be,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: you know, and it was just like very very dark energy.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: And how long were they out? How long were the walls.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, the walls went out for hundreds and hundreds of yards.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wouldn't be like a foundation to some like
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: old house or something.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: No, okay now, And like this little this little patch
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: of grass was only maybe ten yards, you know what
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I mean? Ten yards long and ten ten feet wide.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: And we were all decided to go in there because
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the sun was shining, and let's go in there and
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: have lunch where everybody brought brought a bag lunch. And
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden it got dark, it got windy,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: it got nasty, and I'm looking at these little stone karns,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: and these karens are in locations that you can't get to.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: You gotta be like a billy goat to get up
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: on this mountain to make these things. Like who's building
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: these things? Number one? Who's carrying the rocks up these
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: cliff face to build them? You know what I mean?
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: It just it freaked me out, it really did. I mean,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you have to be a billy goat to
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: get up there, you know.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: And if you could ever get the picture of the
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: deer up the tree, I would throw that on the
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: end of here if possible. If you can find them.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: If not, Yeah, that tride looking for that. I got
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of photos, you know what I mean,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: God only knows where it is.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always interesting. I can't even imagine seeing one
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: of those things. And what does it feel like when
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: you're in your backyard and all of a sudden you
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: see one of these things? What is that? I mean?
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: I know you're a man, you're a man's man, you
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: always have been, But like when you see that, what
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: is it? What does that feel like? Man? Could you
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: express to someone to see something that's not.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Supposed to say? It's mind boggling because you not in
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: a million years do you expect to even run into
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: these things a you know what I mean? Even me
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: and all the times I've run into them, every single
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: time I've run into them, they were the furthest thoughts
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: on my mind. You know what I mean. I'm not
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: going I'm not you know, even when we found the
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: den that time, i'd expect to find anything in the den,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, we didn't know what the
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: hell we were looking for. I was being drawn there.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: You know. It's just but no, when you when you
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: see something like this up close and personal. It's a
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: surreal moment you brought your mind just can't you can't
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: wrap your mind around like, yeah, your brain can't comprehend
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: what your eyes are seen, you know, And.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Is the amount of fear that you're feeling or or
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: is it just bewilderment.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: With me, it's just bewilderment. I don't get fear. You know.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: My psychic trained me many many moons ago never to
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: go out with any kind of subconscious fear because you
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: just put a bullseye on yourself, you know. Okay, so
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I don't go out if I got a bad vibe
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: about going out. You know. There's been times when I
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: went out in my early days, like when I was
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen with my brother and his crew, you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: and times I won't get out of the car because
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I just had a bad vibe, like now I'm not
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: going in there. And my brother would say, what do
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: you mean. You're my cameraman, you're my photographer. You got
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: to come in, And I was like, here's the camera,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: be my guest, you know, everybody. But I just got
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: a bad vibe. I'm not going in and that's it,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: and there's no way you can change my mind and
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: going in, you know. And that's that's happened twice in
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: my life where I've gotten to localcation really excited to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: get there, and then when I get there, I get
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: such a bad vibe about the location. The time with
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: my brother, it was the Amityville Horror House, okay, and
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I was seeing shadows running around in the woods at night,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: like there was black shadows running from the tree to
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: trade well, like across the street or what. No. No,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: the driveway to get to the house is like a
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: quarter mile long, you know what I mean. Okay, Yeah,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: so you're in as soon as you get off the
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: main road to go down the driveway, you're in the woods,
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. The house is built back
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's a big house. And my
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: brother lived in Amityville, so of course he had to
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: go and oh get the house, you know.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: What I mean.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: And I was sleeping. I went there to sleepover for
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: a weekend. So he called the guys he worked with
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: because that's who he went investigating with, and then we
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: all went out. But when I got to that location
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: and I started seeing shadows running around in the woods,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, not knowing what the hell
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: they were. I just got a bad vibe and I
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: was like, oh yeah, out of his car. Now. Nothing
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: bad happened to them that night, you know what I mean.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: When they went in, they took my brother, took my cameras,
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: and he's a good he's a great photographer too, and
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: he took a lot of great pictures and stuff, and
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: they you know, I had a lot of evidence. You know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: back then we're going with old school stuff, dowsing rods,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: cross crystal pendulums, the old uh to set tapes, you
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: know what I mean for EVPs and stuff. Oh yeah,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: this is back in the day, you know.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: And this path of doing this, I mean, he's.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: A parapsychologist and he was. We used to work with
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Han Holtzer's right hand man. That's how he got started
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: working with Han holtzer right hand man. And then you know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: his bedroom was a library of paranormal books from you know, cryptids,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: two UFOs to ghosts. You know. So as soon as
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: he finished reading something, I read it.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: You know, that's incredible, man, that it's so cool that
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: you have somebody you can even now bounce ideas off
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: of the thoughts off of someone that you trust and
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: that's been doing it for a long time. I must
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: be a bit of like, you know, saving grace sometimes.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's moments we even seeing that thing. Even
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: if you go in you know, I have military training,
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: and you go in there, you still see it. You're
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: just like, man, this is I would be bewildered. But
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I do think there's a part of me that would
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: be afraid. And I would imagine having somebody that's in
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: your family that has, you know, experiences like yourself. What
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: was your first experience, man, what was that like?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Oh god, My very first paranormal experience was when I
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: was like five, My grandmother who lived with us, passed
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: away and I got her room, Okay, and I'm sleeping
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: in her bed, on her pillows and her sheets, and
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the funeral Paula was across the street from the building
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: we lived in, Okay, Yeah, And so we would go
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: to the funeral. Back then, you would do two showings
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: a day for like three days, you know what I mean.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: And so I would go there see my grandmother and
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: the casket. No no, no, no, and you know, hang out
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: with all my cousins because everybody lived in the same neighborhood.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: It was like the whole neighborhood was related, you know,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: from the same town in Italy, you know. And yeah, yeah,
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: And then I would go home and they would put
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: me to bed because I was the youngest, and my
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: grandmother would come to me. She looked just like she
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: did when she was alive. She would come to me,
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: she tucked me in, she'd give me a kiss good night,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: and then she would just fade out. And I couldn't
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: tell my father about it because my father didn't believe
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: in anything paranormal. Even though he seen a ghost run
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: through the engine block of his car, he wouldn't he
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: would to it. So I told my mother because she
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: was a psychic. And my mother said, yeah, you know,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: it's just you know, your grandmother, she's just making sure
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: you are right and every day and she would tell
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: me an Italian you know. I didn't know that well,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: you know, I I at five years old. I kind
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: of just understood it more than I spoke it. Yeah,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: but uh, she was just telling me, you know, you
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: sleep good in my beds, you know, sweet dreams, ye
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: yea yeada. And she came to me for like three
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: nights in a row, you know, and uh. And I
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: would tell my mother and she would say, yeah, it's
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: just your grandmother, you know, don't worry, just checking up
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: on you, making sure you're okay about about a boot.
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: And that's it. Because I was I was the baby,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: you know, I was. I was the youngest out of
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: my father and his two sisters kids. I was the baby.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: So she was just you know, I was. She loved
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: me the most because I was the baby. I guess
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, she lived with us and everything.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: But so that was the very first experience, you know
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: that I have, but as a as a as a
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: young kid and everything. But getting back to now, that
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the first time we went out into the woods with
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: all the guys from the city, right, it was a
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: daytime thing, you know. So I said, man, we need
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: to come back at night and do a nighttime thing.
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: You know, younger back then, younger back then, a little
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: bit more muscles, the flex. Yeah, I got youa.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: So I said, let's oh god, yeah, it was a
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: long time ago. And I was like, I was like,
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: let's go, let's go back at night. And everybody's like, yeah, yeah,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: let's go back at night. So we couldn't go in
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: to the to the location the way we do during
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: the day because there's a ranger station there and the
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: park is closed that night, and you can't get past
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: the ranger station. They got invisible eyes, they got dogs,
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You just can't get past him.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: They'll come out and they'll track you down and make
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: you leave the park. But you can take the Appalation
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Trail in Okay. But to get to like say what
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: we call the camp site at thet our location, which
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: is only maybe a mile and a half in the
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: main trail to get there from the Appalation Trail, it's
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: like a four mile hike, Okay. So we decided we
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: were going to do the four mile hike. We wanted
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: to get there at night. We were all determined to
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: get there. So I went out and I scouted the
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: way in, and I scouted the way in, and I
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: was like, okay, I know how to go. And we
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: went and I had one guy up front, this guy O'Neill.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: He was a younger guy, younger kid, and he was like,
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I'll do point. And I was like okay. And I
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: had this other kid, Anthony, at the back. Because those
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: two guys were like the most as far as veterans
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: as investigating, you know what I mean. And at one
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: point I had O'Neill moved to the middle and I
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: took point, and we were going up. We're going up
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: this app relationship. We're going up this like it was
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: like a goat trail. Man, everybody in single file, that's
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: how wide it was, right, and we're going up the trail.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: We had a couple of women with us who worked
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: with us, that came out with us, and we're into
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: the power normal and we're going up this goat trail.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: And man, we're like two miles in and it's a hot,
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: humid night. Everybody's sweating bullets. And there's a holler to
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the right of us, a deep holler to our right,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: and there's a higher ridge to our left. So we're
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: going up the trail. And I got a million at
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: that time. I had a million luma flashlight candle or
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: a million, a million out of looma a million can
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: lot flashlight. And I was at that point and I
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we sit down on the trail.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Somebody says, let's sit here and get a water break.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I said, okay, nobody noticed but me. Right above where
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: we decided to sit, there was a branch that was
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: broken and twisted, and it was broken this way but
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: twisted this way, which was the same direction as the trail.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: You know. I was like, okay, this is this is
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: a directional. You know. We're all sitting there and Anthony
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: comes up from behind and he says, I'll take a walk.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I want to talk to you all right. What's up? Man?
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: He says, I think we're being followed. So what do
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: you mean? He says, I think there's something down in
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: the hollow follow us. I hear footsteps down in the
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: hollow and it's it's following us. And I was like, yeah,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I heard him too, But I didn't say nothing to
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: the I don't want to freak anybody out, you know,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: because we're in such a narrow pass and we're up
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: on a on a cliff and you know, I don't
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: want anybody to try to run and flall off the cliffs.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: And then O'Neill comes up to me. He says, I'll
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: take a walk, and it's like, what's up. He's like,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I was flesh I was using the flesh light the Hunter,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the Million candles, bought flesh light, and I'm scanning the
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: higher ridge to our left, like yeah. He goes seen
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: ice shine up there. I was like, okay, how you
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: know what was it? He said it was it was
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: red eye shine. He said owl, but it was like
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: at the seven foot level. I said, maybe an owl
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: in a tree. He goes out, I think we're being followed,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: and I said, O'Neill, I think we're I think we're
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: being followed on both sides of us. I said, I
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: think there's something down in the hollow, and I think
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: there's something up on the ridge, and I think these
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: two creatures are hunting, and we're in between them. We're
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: in the way. All of a sudden, we're all sitting there.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: And again I haven't told anybody anything except for O'Neill
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: and Anthony. There are two guys that I'm telling us.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I don't want to freak everybody else. Everybody else is
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: with me, all of us. All of these guys are
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: city folks. They're not used to being in the woods,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: deep woods at night, you know what I mean, with
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: just headlamps and you know, in uh what you call it,
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: ten inche survival knives and stuff, So we're just sitting
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: there and a smell comes up from the haller and
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: she just engulfs us. I mean it was putred. I
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: mean everybody was like, oh man, what is that smell
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that Nobody knows what's going on but me. I know
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: that smell. I remember from a kid in Florida, you
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. I know what's going on. And
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, oh, crap, this is this is a warning.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: It's telling us to get the hell out of the way.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Where in between these two things, you know. So I
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: was like, we gotta move, okay. So now we're moving.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: We get to the peak and we start to come
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: down on the other side and we got to cross
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: over a swamp and go down another trail to finally
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: get to the mining road that comes out right by
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: the campsite. So we come down the hill and as
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: we're coming down the hill, there's a pack of coyotes
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: that go off. It's like dirty coyotes, and they're whooping
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: and they're running around in circles, and they're in the swamp.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: You could hear them splashing around, and they're all around us,
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: and the sound is just surrounded us, and everybody's freaking out,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, whatever you do, don't run. Don't run.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Everybody's don't run. You don't want to trigger their prey drive.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Everybody stick together where there's a lot of us. They're
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: not gonna tack like eight people, you know what I mean.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Everybody stay together. They're all huddled up in the circle,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: and we got the lights on and they're running around
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: us and they're just losing their minds and they're whooping
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: into the size of German shepherds. There the biggest coyotes
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: ever seen. Right, all of a sudden, from out of
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: the darkness, you hear two things running boom boom, boom,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: boom boom, running, one coming down the ridge, one coming
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: up the holler as fast as they can, just like
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: sound like thunder coming at us from both sides, right
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: like Clydesdale's right. And then they start grabbing the coyotes
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: and they're smashing the coyotes against the trees and they're
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: slamming the coyotes to the ground, and the coyotes are
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: screaming and they're whooping. Now the coyotes are running in
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: every possible direction to get it. These two bigfoot came
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: down and was so pissed at us for being in
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: the way they were hunting. They took it out on
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: the coyotes. Now, when this happens, all hell breaks list
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: and my friends just take off in the swamp. They're
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: all they're running southwest. That's the way the car is
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: parked in the south. They're not they're running through the swamp.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: They're running through the trees. They're not on any kind
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: of path. They're just running. And I'm screaming stop, stop, stop,
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: don't run, don't run. Nobody's listening to me. Everybody's running
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: like that out of hell. All of a sudden, I
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: look up and there's a coyote running right at me.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Big boy. He's like, look like my German shepherd, right,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: But he's not looking at me. He's looking behind him,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: but he's running full speed and he runs into me
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: and he sends me flying. Okay, he goes flying one way,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: I go for now. I'm I'm headed head first towards
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: this giant oak tree. I move my head out of
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: the way just in a nicked time, and I hit
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: it with my shoulder and I dislocate my shoulder and
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh man, I'm in some serious pain, and
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I look over at the coyote and he's getting up
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: and he's running. He gets up and he continues to run,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: and I'm in pain, and all of my friends are gone.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: I'm the only one there. So I'm like, okay, I
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: gotta put my shoulder back in. So I lean against
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: the tree and I bang it back in. Boom, And
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: that hurts just as much as it did when it
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: came out, you know what I mean. Yes, So I'm
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: walking through the woods trying to find all my friends,
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: and I come across a tent in the middle of
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: the woods and it's a young couple. You know, hiking
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: the Appalachian Trail. You can't hike on, you can't camp
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: on the trail, but you can camp off the trail
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: and middle of the woods, maybe one hundred yards off
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: the trail. In the middle of the woods. There was
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: no reason for anybody to find these people. But I
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: come up on them and they hear me coming. So
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: the guy opens up the tent. He's like, what's going
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: on out here? It sounds like the woods are are
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: you know, insane? And they go listen. I was like,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: the coyotes are going crazy. They're just running around the circle,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: which is going crazy. I don't know what's made them nuts,
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: but just zip her up, he goes, Should I pack
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: the tent and get the hell out of here. They
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: just close the tent up and go back to sleep.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: They're not going to bother you. Believe me, They're not
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: going to bother you. You know what I mean. They're
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: running for them. I'm not telling them why there wasn't you.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: You'll be fine. You'll be fine. I don't think anyone's
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: gonna mess with you tonight. Don't worry about the coyotes.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: And uh So I get out to the I get
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: out to the main road, hike up to where we
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: parked our cars. Everybody's there. Everybody made it out in
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: one piece. Nobody got hurt. And I'm telling them, yeah,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I dislocated my shoulder. I can't lift my arm up,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: you know, and it's high, and so everybody's like, okay,
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: you know, let's call it a night. It was pretty crazy,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: and we were maybe two hundred yards from getting to
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: that main mining road, you know what I mean, that's
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: how close we were. And if everybody would have stayed,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: we could have continued to go. But everybody ran back
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: towards where the cars were parked, you know, and I
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: was like, I'm not hiking four miles back and again,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, We're done now, and everybody
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: gets in the cars and I go to grab my
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: driver's side do I'm driving a jeep at the time.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: I got a pretty heavy door on a jeep. I
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: go to grab the door to close and I go
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: to pull it closed and my shoulder comes out again,
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, you know, so now I got
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: only and everybody's like, you know, the guys in the
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: guys that were in my car. So you could only
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: park like three or four cars at this location. So
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: the way everybody came up, everybody parked at the parking
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: ride that's off the parkway. So we were driving everybody
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: back to their cars because everybody came up from different directions,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: you know. So they're like, oh, you want me to
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: get that door for you? And I was like, no,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I get this door. And I closed it with my
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: shoulder and then I banged it up against the chair
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: my seat and I snapped it back in, you know
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: what I mean. And I got it back into place again,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: and I was like, now I got to go home
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: and tell my wife, I need to go to the
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: emergency room because I can't lift my arm, you know.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Get home. It's like two o'clock in the morning. I
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: get home, I wake my wife up, and I go, listen,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: we had an there was an accident and I had
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: an accident. I need to go to the emergency room.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Went to the emergency room. They said, yeah, you dislocated
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: your shoulder. And I had to go to physical therapy
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: for like, you know, two months or whatever because I
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: couldn't get my arm any higher in like, you know,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: level with my shoulder. And good thing at the time,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: you know, all I was doing was driving a truck,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: so it was he I could still drive. I didn't
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: have to carry any mail on my shoulder or anything.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I was, I was humping mail from
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: door to door, you know, in the city, you go
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: from house to house. But at that point I was
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: I was driving a truck just dropping mail off, you know,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: and doing packages. And I could do that with one arm,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: so I was able to, uh do that. And yeah,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: and with my bosses know, and I was injured and
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: still uh yeah, I don't think they would have believed
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: me if I waited it to what happened. But everybody
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: who was in that office knew what happened because they
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: were all there.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, imagine, it's the last time you decided to take
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: people from the city up into the deep woods to
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: go and I look for these things.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: But I went back like two weeks later, right because
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: I wanted to get more photographed. I wanted to see
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: if the deer was still there, if there was a
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: carcass there or something, you know. I went back two
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: weeks later by myself, and I went to the tree
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: where the deer was hanging, and it wasn't there anymore.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: And I went to the location at the meadow where
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: the the TP was right and the TP was gone.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: And I'm looking around, and I'm thinking, Okay, if the
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: rangers got rid of as TP, they're just going to
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: cut it up with a chainsaw, I throw it into
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: the woods, you know what I mean, They're not going
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: to take it away. I wouldn't think they would dismantle
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: it and take it away. I think they would just
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: cut it up with a chainsaw and throw it in
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: the woods. Right. Well, when I went back that couple
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: of weeks later where the TP was the woods were destroyed.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I mean destroyed, like Godzilla and King Kong had to
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: fight in the woods. The woods were and I took
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: all kinds of pictures of that, you know, and on
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: my way out I could I didn't like. I called
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: my psychic and I said, what happened here? And she's like, al,
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling, you know, just tell me the energy she feels,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: because everything has an energy signature, you know. And she says,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I'm feeling that a dog man in a
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: bigfoot had a war here. There was a war here
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: and the wood I mean, because the woods were just destroyed.
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like it was a microburst where everything was
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: leaning one way, or it was a tornado and stuff
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: was thrown off. It was just destroyed. I mean the
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: woods were even the trail, the Appalachian Trail was blocked
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: by trees that were like six feet in diameter, you know,
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: that's how big these trees were. I mean, giant trees
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: pushed over and and she's telling me a dog man
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: in the big fight and I was like, I didn't
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: even know there was a dog man in these woods.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of any reports of dogmen I've heard
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: of UFOs, bigfoots and stuff like that, but I never
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: heard of any dog man, you know what I mean.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: And she's like, yeah, there's dogmen in these woods. And
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: they had a big fight, and she's telling me the
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: dog men stay on the east side of the woods
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: and the bigfoots day on the west side of the woods.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: And this was like on the west side of the woods.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: So maybe the they were both at the same location
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: at the same time, and they were like no. The
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: big Fitt's like, no, not my, not on my in
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: my house, you know what I mean. And they just
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: absolutely destroyed the woods. But I looked I looked for
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, the woods were so destroyed that there weren't
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: any even any trees cut, Like the Jappellation trail that
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: were blocked. The ranges hadn't even cut the trees off
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: the trail yet to open them back up, right. But
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: but the witch and McCall that was gone. The tepee
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: was gone. And I'm looking in the woods for small
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: pieces of logs that were just thrown all over the place,
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: and there was nothing there. I mean, whoever took that
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: thing down dismantled it and took it away. You know
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: what I mean, just cut it up.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Nomadic like a nomadic people, you know, somewhereson you know,
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: like Asia or something. They would just take their tepees,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: wrap them up and go to the next area. That's
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: that's a strange occurrence.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: But I mean, who's gonna who has the strength to
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: unwind those those logs, you know number one? And I
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: was even looking for like chainsaw dust, you know what
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I I mean, like the clip the shavings, and there
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: was no chance. So I'm thinking this thing wasn't cut
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: down by a chainsaw because it's there's no there's no
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: wood anywhere, like, not even chainsaw cuts on the floor. Nothing.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: It wasn't dragged out of here because there's no drag marks.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Would they do with it, you know what I mean?
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: Did they pick it up and put it on a
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: flatbed truck and drive it out? I honestly don't know
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: what they did. But on the way out, the ranger
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: was out at the station and I asked him and
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, hey man, what the hell happened to
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: the woods? And He's like, what do you mean. I
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: was like, well, the woods are destroyed. You know, at
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: the end of the mining road where the Appalachian Trail stuts.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: The woods are destroyed, and he's like, what are you
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: talking about? And I was like, the woods are destroyed.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: I was there a tornado that hit down. And he's
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: like no, I go was there some kind of microburn
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: that happened? He goes no, he goes, well, I got
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: to see what you're talking about, because he has a
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: gate there. He went and unlocked the gate and he
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: drove up to the where he where the meadow is,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: you know. But I was like, yeah, I'm not waiting
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: around for this, dude. I just went home, you know,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: because he didn't even know. He didn't even know the
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: woods were destroyed.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: And imagine I could imagine his report, Yes, write some
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: type of report about some type of word, you know.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean like if something like a tornado or
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: a microburst happened, it's only a mile and a half
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: from the ranger station. I think they would have known
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: about it, you know. Yeah, and they didn't know. But
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: he didn't even know about it. He's like, what are
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: you talking about. I was like, take a ride up
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: to the end of the road and you'll see what
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about. I mean, it was just the and
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: it's still hasn't grown back to this time, to this
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: point yet, because it was so destroyed that the woods
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: haven't even bounced back yet.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, you know this is you always come
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: on here and blow my mind.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: You you're just you're that kind of guy. Man. You
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: don't you don't hold back. You tell me the truth.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: You've always been a straight shooter with me. Man. I
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: love the fact that you do that for me. And yeah,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: you know, I know, I know, I love you your
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: your New York's to you. You know, like you know
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. You know what I mean. It's like
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: I got you, I got you. I know what you're saying.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: That's just who I am. Brother.
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're going out again this year, man, I'm
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: looking forward to hearing about what you're running into. Man,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: where can people find you? Buddy?
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: You go find me at the Bronxville Paranormal Society. You know,
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: we have a bunch of groups that we that I'm
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: head of, the New York State UFO Project, the New
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: York State Sasquatch Organization, the Actually dog Man Projects. You know,
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: you can find me in any of those things. You
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: can just find me on Facebook. Personally. You know, I'm
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: very accessible. If you shoot me a messenger, you shoot
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: me a message on messenger, I'll get back to you.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: You know. I try to get back to everybody. As
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I had a young couple reach
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: out to me recently, not blew my mind. They reached
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: out to me and they said, hey, the guy calls
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: me up right and he's like, hey, you know, I'm
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: getting married to my fiance. We're getting married and we're
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: really big fans of the paranormal and we're really big
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: fans of you. And I'm like really, and he's like yeah.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: I goes could you do me a favor? And I
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: was like sure, what do you need? He's like, could
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: you call me on this day? And I want to.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I want to put my wife on my fiance and
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: the phone with you. And I'm like sure, I'll call
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: you right. So I call him up and he goes, hunt,
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: it's for you, and he gives it the phone and
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: she's like hello, and I go hi, is this what
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: I forgot her name? And and she goes yeah, I
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: go ay, this is out seeing aga Like she starts screaming,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: oh my god, oh my god. And then they uh
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: he put they put themselves on FaceTime, you know, or
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: facetiving each other, and I was like, they were like
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: so thrilled that, like I actually them. I was like, dude,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: I'm just a regular dude. I'm just a regular guy.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: I'm no, I'm not. I'm nobody special, you know what
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: I mean. I'm just a regular guy. If if me
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: calling you guys up for as uh as a special
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: gift for you for your wedding day, that's that's that's
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: a no brainer. Of course I'm going to do that
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: for you, you know. Yeah, and they sent me all
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: kinds of photos from their wedding and every day.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it lends itself to who you are as a person. Man.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I mean I get that too. You know. You'll have
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: someone call and say, hey, man, I watch the show
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: and I wanted to talk about all the experiences I've
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: had in my life and just finally get it off
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: my chest, and I'm like, yeah, let's go, man. Sure
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: and uh, you know, and I'm sure. You know, people
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: who run across these things in the forest sometimes they
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: don't know who to turn to, and they can turn
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: to people like yourself, Jody Cook and many other many
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: other people out there that we have that you know
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: that in the inner circles that we know are good
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: people and we can kind of help them, you know,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: either say what it is without feeling and type of
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: retribution or any type of fear of someone like you know,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: pointing at them, or maybe like someone like yourself. You know,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: there's been times where I've actually contacted you and say, hey,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: I've got this story and I want to know what
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: it is that should do, and You're like, don't worry
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: about it, buddy, I'm on it, and uh, al like
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: always you're on it, buddy, and them calling you it's uh,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: like I said, it lends itself to the kind of
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: guy you are, and uh, that's pretty cool, buddy.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was so blown away, but like they thought
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: it was such a big deal. And I was like, dude,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: nobody you know what I mean of me making a
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: phone call to you guys, it makes you a day,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: Then absolutely I could do it. Because they were really like,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: there are kids, you know what I mean, Like eighteen
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: year old kids getting married and I'm looking at them
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: and I can see the young love everything. Oh yeah,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, yeah, they're they're very happily
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: married and they're in love and it's just a beautiful thing.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a beautiful thing. Like always, man, just
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: like always when you come on here as a beautiful thing, Buddy,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: I really appreciate that you take time out of your
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: day come and talk to me. You always connect me
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: with people to have stories and always help me out,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: always been forthcoming with me, man. I really appreciate that out.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: Thanks for no problem, thanks for coming on, and Grayson
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: with your presence today.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Buddy, No, thank you for inviting me on. Like I said,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: I haven't really done a lot of the interviews lately.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: I've just been laying low, you know, so I just
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: you know, when you invited me on, I was like sure, absolutely,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: I love to come on. You know, I wanted to
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: talk about that that experience with that dog man, you know, Serpentine,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: you know, and I can't get it. I can't get
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: it out of my head, Like it's just dumbfounding me,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: you know, like somebody taught or something taught this thing
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: to do that, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: I mean I know they're partly human and they have
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: a you know, human brain. They don't think like a
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: normal wolf thinks. You know, they had a debate with
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: somebody recently who was an animal person. They say, oh,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: they're you know, I study wolves and they do. You know,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: they're part wolf. They act like wolves, and I'm like,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: you're missing the point, bro, They're part human too, and
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: they think like humans. You know what I mean. Don't
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: go into the woods expecting to track a wolf, because
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: you will find out quickly that these things are tracking you.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, be careful when you go out there. Guys, when
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: you go out there, that's what these shows are about,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: That's what your society is about. That's what you do
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: when you come on. We're into it, you know, Team Human.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: We're here to protect you, guys. Enjoy the beauty that
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: is America. But at the same time, you know, always
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: always check your six check.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I tell everybody that you go into the woods,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: always protect yourself physically and always protect yourself spiritually, because
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: there's so many things in the woods that you never
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: know what you're gonna come out with, you know what
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: I mean. It may not be encrypted, you know, you
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: may not get attacked by encrypted or a bear or
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: a mountain lion, but you may get an attachment from
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: something dark and negative, you know, so your home can Yeah.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, thank you again buddy, and I'll see you around, buddy,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: keep me keep me in form, man.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you. Tom was like you guys.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like always, Buddy, So like you guys once again. Guys,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: we are the guy. We are aware. I love you
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: all and have yourself for your wonderful day.