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Peter Espevoll and Jon Reichardt: InTheosis · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: We must all pass through the fight.
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  Speaker 2: We will all be passed.
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  Speaker 3: Today we've got Peter and John from In Theosis, which Peter,
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  Speaker 3: you've been on this podcast a number of times, mostly
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  Speaker 3: because of Extell stuff and Harada as well, but John,
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  Speaker 3: you're a brand new guest on the Blacksheet podcast, but
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  Speaker 3: super stoke for this new project. Peter, you've just been
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  Speaker 3: like doing all sorts of music with Harada obviously the
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  Speaker 3: last couple of years. It sounds like there might be
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  Speaker 3: some other new music that might be coming out of
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  Speaker 3: your camp sometime soon. We can maybe chat about that later.
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  Speaker 3: But new music that's happening right now in your life
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  Speaker 3: with John is In Theosis, which is such a killer project.
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  Speaker 3: I'm super stoked about, you know, kind of where this
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  Speaker 3: ends up going for you guys, but so so stoked
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  Speaker 3: about talking about it more. But before we dive into
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  Speaker 3: the music, how are you guys doing today?
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  Speaker 4: Really good? Thanks?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks thanks for having us. I'm quite all right.
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  Speaker 1: It's been it's been a really easy going Christmas and
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  Speaker 1: New Year's holiday, so just you know, with the with
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  Speaker 1: the family chilling.
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  Speaker 5: So it's any ice fishing.
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  Speaker 1: No, no fishing unfortunately, but I'll try to because it's
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  Speaker 1: been really mild here. It hasn't been freezing like yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but some a couple of more weeks with the really
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  Speaker 1: really cold weather, and I want to go out on
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  Speaker 1: the ice and try to get some trouts, very good trouts.
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  Speaker 5: Love it is that?
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  Speaker 6: Is that a Is that a plural? Is that how
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  Speaker 6: you'd say that trouts? Or is it just trout? I've
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  Speaker 6: always was one of these, like.
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  Speaker 1: Deer or deer's there's no s just trout, justus.
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  Speaker 5: It's one of it's like moose.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, makes us all are you Are you drinking
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  Speaker 6: from a Herada mug?
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  Speaker 2: There?
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  Speaker 4: Is that?
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  Speaker 6: Is that right?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm actually not trying to plug.
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  Speaker 3: In that.
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  Speaker 5: Fair Yeah, you know what you're doing, Peter.
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  Speaker 3: I think last time we chatted you said that Norway
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  Speaker 3: is known for your salmon. I did just smoke some
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  Speaker 3: salmon for uh, for New Year's Eve. Had some friends
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  Speaker 3: over smoked some salmon. I've got a little smoker grill
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  Speaker 3: uh and uh. I have a friend one of my
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  Speaker 3: actually one of my co workers, was able to get
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  Speaker 3: some fresh caught Alaska salmon and so I had some
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  Speaker 3: Alaska salmon that I smoked and it was delightful but
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  Speaker 3: are you able to are you able to actually fish
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  Speaker 3: out salmon out of that lake you live whether the
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  Speaker 3: fjord that you live by, or is the same more
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  Speaker 3: of like an ocean thing for you all?
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  Speaker 1: No, No, you can fish it here in the in
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  Speaker 1: the fjord, but it's not really easy. It's actually more
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  Speaker 1: up in the rivers because it comes back, it goes
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  Speaker 1: out to the ocean and it comes back up in
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  Speaker 1: the river where where it was born. So that's basically
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  Speaker 1: where you can fish it in Oway. But you have
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  Speaker 1: to have a license and it costs like ship loads
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  Speaker 1: of money to to do it. Yeah, and it's really
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  Speaker 1: really strict rules and everything. So I don't do it much.
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  Speaker 5: But mine do you eat?
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  Speaker 1: A father? My stepfather, He fishes a lot of salmon
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  Speaker 1: and has a friend who runs like yeah, whether like
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  Speaker 1: a smokery or whatever you call it. So I got
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  Speaker 1: some really nice smoke salmon from him for Christmas.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if there's a meat that I enjoy
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  Speaker 3: more more than smoke salment. It might be one of
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  Speaker 3: my favorite types of meat.
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  Speaker 5: It's so good.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know something I've always been interested in. And
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  Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Peter, but you're you're the you're the Norwegian
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  Speaker 6: that I know. Okay, So around my so in the
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  Speaker 6: mac family where I'm my my my familial ancestry, they
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  Speaker 6: love Norwegian culture even though none of them are new Norwegian.
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  Speaker 6: And every Christmas we would have ludafisk. Is that something
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  Speaker 6: that actually goes on in Norway?
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah?
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  Speaker 6: I wasn't sure if it was just like a cultural
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  Speaker 6: thing that like people thought that Norwegian still did, but
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  Speaker 6: it's true.
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  Speaker 1: No, we still lud It's like a feast, you know,
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  Speaker 1: food more or less only around the Christmas time. And
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  Speaker 1: I can't.
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  Speaker 5: I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love everything, the consistency, it's just so like even
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  Speaker 1: when I get it really really well prepared, I can't.
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  Speaker 1: But apparently a lot of people can.
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  Speaker 6: So I think it's great. John, have you ever had ludifisk?
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  Speaker 4: Is that a smelly one?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, that's it.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So yeah, that's what we do in Sweden. Yeah okay, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, guys, yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So just just in context, So, I'm half Swedish and
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  Speaker 2: I lived there for six years as a kid, So
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  Speaker 2: that's yet another kind.
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  Speaker 7: Of connection point between Peter and I.
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  Speaker 2: Except I was in the south of Sweden, right, so
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  Speaker 2: that was kind of like, I don't know, like if
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  Speaker 2: this is a good analogy, but actually I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to use the analogy because it could be offensive.
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  Speaker 4: So in the south of Sweden.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of farming and a lot like the
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  Speaker 2: rest of Sweden. I used to think that we're unsophisticated
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  Speaker 2: and funnily enough, like the third biggest city in Sweden, Mama,
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  Speaker 2: is in the south, in the state where I live.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, so I lived there for six years.
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  Speaker 2: I still speak a bit of Swedish and that's a
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  Speaker 2: kind of funny connection point between Peter.
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  Speaker 5: And you still think that Blindside's better than next?
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  Speaker 2: All right, Oh well, you know why, I.
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  Speaker 5: Just pretend Peter's not here right now. Pretend he's not here.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, I sound like a suck up, But I
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  Speaker 4: do prefer ext do I do? Yeah? I have.
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  Speaker 2: I have a little bit of prog in me right
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  Speaker 2: and and and Petter's working on pulling that more, you know,
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  Speaker 2: more out of my soul with with the mpiosis stuff that.
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  Speaker 2: But you know what, Blindside, that album, I forget what
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  Speaker 2: it's called, but that had one big album. I think
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  Speaker 2: the one that Howard Benson produced to blow them up?
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  Speaker 5: What was it called Silence Silence?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a great album, some really killer songs
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  Speaker 2: on that one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, you know, I think we should all just
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  Speaker 6: acknowledge for a second modern world that we live in.
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  Speaker 6: Where Peter's at, it's it's eleven o'clock at night, where
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  Speaker 6: I'm at and Mason's at it's four pm in the afternoon,
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  Speaker 6: and John is it nine am? There is that right Australia.
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  Speaker 5: So you're at Friday, You're at Friday right now, right.
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  Speaker 6: He's in the future.
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  Speaker 7: Baby, that's right.
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  Speaker 6: Isn't that wild that we can just do this like
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  Speaker 6: and and you know there's no there's no disconnection problems
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  Speaker 6: or anything. We're just we're just floating right along.
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  Speaker 3: It is like, but first time in human history, this
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  Speaker 3: is like this sort of thing has ever been able
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  Speaker 3: to happen.
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  Speaker 5: It's pretty cool.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think we should talk more about food. It's
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  Speaker 1: much more fun than.
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  Speaker 6: All right, well, let's do one more food related topic then,
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  Speaker 6: because I am interested. What do Australians do on Christmas?
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  Speaker 4: All right?
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  Speaker 5: What do they eat?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so we can go. I have one friend that.
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  Speaker 5: Probably beat the ship out of a kangaroo.
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  Speaker 4: You's a funny thing.
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  Speaker 2: In some places kangaroos are actually pests. So I think
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  Speaker 2: they're actually I've.
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  Speaker 5: Heard I've heard they're like they're like squirrels here in America.
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  Speaker 6: Literally, I have I have kangaroo leather boots now because
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  Speaker 6: it comes from like a place where it comes from
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  Speaker 6: Australia obviously, and the boots are made because there are
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  Speaker 6: so many that get run over that they actually use
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  Speaker 6: those those kangaroo that get run over for their production.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. And also that they are pasts.
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  Speaker 2: So we have this this phrase called root shooting or
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  Speaker 2: you know, to say it in all is the accent
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  Speaker 2: roosts shooting?
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  Speaker 4: Are you gonna go?
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  Speaker 6: Do you do that? Is that what you do at
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  Speaker 6: the bar in the evenings?
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  Speaker 1: Try to shoot?
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  Speaker 2: We get to get a shotgun and go shoot some
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  Speaker 2: some some us no.
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  Speaker 4: We uh no.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm I mean obviously, like, yeah, getting your hands
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  Speaker 2: on a gun in Australia is a lot more difficult.
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  Speaker 4: Then than in America.
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  Speaker 2: We had this, We had the Port Arthur massacre I
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  Speaker 2: think in the nineties.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, after that, like they legislated.
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  Speaker 2: That it was much harder to get weapons, so but
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  Speaker 2: it's easy for farmers, I think. And yeah, like they
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  Speaker 2: have this thing where it's like, okay, we've got too
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  Speaker 2: many kangaroos that are destroying the crops, that are you know,
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  Speaker 2: just being a pest, you know, jump on the back
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  Speaker 2: of you. Let's go shoot some kangaroos.
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  Speaker 6: I mean it sounds so American but also Australian at
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  Speaker 6: the same time. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's a big I think there is like some
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  Speaker 2: pretty strong parallels between certain states in Australia, like Queensland
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  Speaker 2: North Queensland.
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  Speaker 4: For example.
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  Speaker 2: In australia's kind of like, you know, some of the
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  Speaker 2: more perhaps some of the more southern states in America,
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  Speaker 2: you know, more conservative, more guns, more yeah, more shooting.
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  Speaker 4: Crocodiles, you've got alligators. Yeah, Yeah, there's definitely some parallels. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Do they also have a megalomaniac president who owns a
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  Speaker 6: golf course there?
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  Speaker 2: Well, right now, politics is a funny one. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: We've got we've got our so called leftist party, which
• 10:28
  Speaker 2: isn't really left us, that left us at all, but
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  Speaker 2: you know it's it's establishment leftist that's their empowered.
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  Speaker 4: They're in power right now.
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  Speaker 2: And he's as you get with a lot of the leftists,
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  Speaker 2: establishment politicians.
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  Speaker 4: He's a lot more well.
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  Speaker 2: Spoken than his his opposition right now. But I think
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  Speaker 2: then there's probably a bit of a shift, just.
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  Speaker 7: Like you know, much of the rest of the world
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  Speaker 7: right now.
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  Speaker 4: Because of the we have a housing crisis right now.
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  Speaker 7: And across the living.
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  Speaker 2: Crisis too, and so you know, with when people are afraid,
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  Speaker 2: nationalism and right wing kind of.
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  Speaker 4: Rhetoric seems to work a lot better.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, we seem to be having a bit of
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  Speaker 2: a move towards a life right now anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's that's where we're at politically.
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  Speaker 6: We're only halfway done with a decade.
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  Speaker 5: Here, just getting started.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, let's talk about in theosis. I'd love to
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  Speaker 3: just know how this project started for both of you. Obviously, Peter,
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  Speaker 3: you've been in music for quite some time. Yeah, John,
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  Speaker 3: I don't for you, like if you've been in bands
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  Speaker 3: your whole life or not, But yeah, I just love
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  Speaker 3: to hear kind of how this whole project started.
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  Speaker 4: Do you want do you want to start it off?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: This is my my version, and I'm don can tell
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  Speaker 1: his version.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 1: We we met some years back at a mutual friends
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  Speaker 1: box party, butres's party. So John came over to Norway
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  Speaker 1: and we basically just ended up, you know, connecting straight
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  Speaker 1: away over some beers and went straight down into the
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: darkness of our souls talking about mental health issues and
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: other trauma, other kinds of darkness traumas. Yeah, so we
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  Speaker 1: bonded immediately, and then there were some some carousels involved.
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  Speaker 1: Got lost.
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  Speaker 6: You guys went on a carousel for a bachelor.
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  Speaker 4: That's a pretty funny story. Do you want me to
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  Speaker 4: take from here? Do you want to keep going?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, So Pedal was very responsible that night. I
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  Speaker 4: think only had a few.
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  Speaker 2: The rest of us had a pretty decent amount of alcohol. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: and some one of the the bucks that's what we
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  Speaker 2: call it here in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: What do you guys call it in America?
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  Speaker 6: Bucks?
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  Speaker 4: The buck? Like the main the guy he's getting.
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  Speaker 1: Married, the bachelor.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we call the Yeah, that's way better than the
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  Speaker 3: Bachelor Australia.
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  Speaker 4: Around here. Yeah yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Anyways, so yeah, the bachelor, he he, he's.
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  Speaker 4: One of his brothers. Just drank a lot and it
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  Speaker 4: was a bit of a loose unit. Sorry, that's another
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  Speaker 4: Aussie slang for like just the crazy guy.
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  Speaker 2: And well, actually before we get to the carousel story,
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  Speaker 2: So what happened is I drank more than Peta did
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  Speaker 2: and then I lost my phone and you know, like
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  Speaker 2: this was was this Ramen.
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  Speaker 4: Or was this an Oslo? I can't remember?
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  Speaker 6: It was multiple cities involved. Even wow, this is a great.
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  Speaker 5: This is this sounds like the beginning of the hangover.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, except at what point did you guys hang out
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  Speaker 3: where Zacht fallon an Ascis or whatever is galvin Akis
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  Speaker 3: or whatever?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't know. I mean shout out to Conrad.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's Kieran's brother. He's kind of like the Zach character.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps he's the one who, yeah, just like drank way
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  Speaker 2: too much, ate too much. And then we were like
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: you know, stumbling home. And then all of us see this, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this kind of entertainment park that was open
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  Speaker 2: to who knows what time, and you know, for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 2: because we're all idiots who decided to go.
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  Speaker 4: On the on the most kind of hardcore.
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  Speaker 2: Ride where you're like upside down and you just like
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  Speaker 2: spin heading around.
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  Speaker 4: In circles and you go up like twenty meters in
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  Speaker 4: the air.
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  Speaker 6: And in America that's called the zipper okay classic.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, something like that. And this guy, Zach let's
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: call him Zach, Let's call him. He'd been drinking all night,
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: it'd been going hard and he he had some hot
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: dogs as well, I think right before went on the ride,
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  Speaker 2: and so you know, when it's just spitting around like that,
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  Speaker 2: he decided to start puking in the midst of that.
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  Speaker 4: So it's like.
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  Speaker 2: Projector what just like that the.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: Middle of the sandlight. So we moved on from the hangover.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: Now we're in the middle of the sandlight. What other
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: movies did you guys reenact?
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean I held my Bobby here, but yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I waited until after. But I was just thinking of
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: these poor like peace loving, no wages just getting hit
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: with Australian gummet.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't on the right responsible other guys, like seriously,
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  Speaker 1: his pupils just everywhere and people down there, so it
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  Speaker 1: was it was fun.
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  Speaker 6: So that's how is this one of those rides where
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  Speaker 6: there's like two people and like one of like the
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  Speaker 6: carriages or cars or whatever it is that spins.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was about four of us per carriage.
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  Speaker 6: Oh my gosh. Okay, so all of you guys are
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: just getting spray.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing is like it went so high and
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: so fast that who knows, like how far that went?
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: You know, Well, Colin, you have a similar story with me.
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  Speaker 6: I do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: We were at a Jimmy World concert and Mason is
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: just pounding.
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  Speaker 3: They had two glad, I had two bottles of wine,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: bottles of yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And on the way He's riding in the passenger seat
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  Speaker 6: and I'm riding in the backseat and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 6: Mason opens up the window and we're going seventy miles
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  Speaker 6: an hour down the road, and none of it goes
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  Speaker 6: out the window. All of it goes directed into my
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: face and into my mouth, and I'm like, wow, it
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  Speaker 6: was the worst thing in the world.
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  Speaker 4: It was discussing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but now you got to tell the whole world
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  Speaker 3: on a podcast about it, So it must have been
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: like not that bad.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's still fresh.
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  Speaker 6: I lived, right, So.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: I love that origin story.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, but at some point you had to realize like, Okay,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: there's got to be it can't be just a puke
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: drunk fest, Like it's got to turn into music.
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  Speaker 5: So how at what point did that switch happen.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean fast forward some years and John and
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I had a little bit of contact after the after
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: the wedding when he went back after a while. I
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: think I asked you to produce some stuff for the
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Rada Christmas album last year.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: I think first was Pearl. You wanted some yeah, additional
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: production for Pearl.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because Errata. We did the extoll Pearl cover
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: and John.
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: Which I think like more than the regular Pearl.
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: Depends on the mood I'm in.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I've been working on that cover for so long. I
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: was like, I can't really find some of the vibe
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: I'm going for because everything felt wrong. And then, sort
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: of like a last resort, I was like, maybe I
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: should ask John.
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's just ask drunk and Aussie. Maybe no, but.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: It's like I don't know what to do. And then okay,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: maybe I should ask John to see, you know, if
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you could put some some production on it to give
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: it the vibe I'm dreaming on. And yeah, I think
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: what you did with it just it felt finally it
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: felt like something I wanted to release, So that was
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: really really cool. And then I guess we after that
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: we started talking a bit more every now and then,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: and then you joined me on some production for the
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Rather Christmas album, and I guess some always started to
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: talking about like why you haven't done any metal?
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, well, I mean that was kind of
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: part of the conversation, like your journey of coming back
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: to music, and I think that kind of brought up
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: the conversation as to why why am I still just
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: mostly producing hip hop in Australia.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: When I am a metal head?
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I think that was kind of like
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like Peta was the.
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: You know, the lynch pin or the.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: The catalyst, the.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: You know that perhaps the final catalyst of me thinking oh,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe i'll.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: Ask the last exactly.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Well, actually no, you were the final thing that that
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: that you know, propelled me into into like having a
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: crack at doing doing metal because he's the thing, like
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: you know, the I mean, there's all kinds of things
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: going on for me, like which we can dig into
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: deeper when we start talking about theology and stuff.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: But I think, you know, you kind of come up.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: With all of these reasons, like you're like, oh, I'm
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: in my late thirties.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: You know, what's the point, you know, because.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: You know, the kind of capitalists kind of model that
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: we have where it's like I'm lesser successful, you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: what's the point. But you know he was better just
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: doing his rada and getting back into X style and
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: just just loving music.
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: For what it was.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: And that was a big part of me going, oh,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: you know, you know what, maybe I should do it
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I'll make the time and then.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: And then I think, as we worked so well together
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: as as friends, and you know, there's definitely some connection
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: points in our taste and there's definitely other ways that
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: were quite different, but there are there are enough kind
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: of connecting points taste.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: Wise, taste wise fast to collaborate.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's kind of what led to to the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: to the origin of in theosis.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: Wait, John, did did you have any metal background then
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: at all? Did you? Did?
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: You?
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Here's yeah, that's here's here's the weird part.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: So I got into music, like really got into music.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: I still remember the first time I.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Heard met on MTV and Sweden when I was like,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: oh gosh, eleven years old or something like that, and
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is so scary. It was like
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the film clip for Until It Sleeps, you know, from
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: the load album. It's a creepy ass album, well creepyss
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: video clips.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Sorry, And.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: You know, I was only eleven, so I was like, what,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: this is really creepy, but there's something about the sound
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: that just pulled me in. And then you know, I
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: was like went home and I was like, Dad, I
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: want to start playing guitar. So yeah, that was kind
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: of the thing that propelled me into like wanting to
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: become a guitarist, and metal was very much the genre
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: that appealed to me most. You know, I picked up
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the guitar, started learning and getting lessons and getting into
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: like you know, first Metallica, Pantera, Slayer, all of that stuff,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: some of the grunge stuff as well. And then I'll
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: try and make this as short as possible because I'm
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: sure this will come up in later conversations as well,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: because it was very much a part of my whole
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: deconstruction and reconstruction journey as well.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: But in a nutshell, yeah, I was a metalhead. And
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: then I had.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: A conversion experience when I was sixteen and a few
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: years into my kind of you know, gung ho evangelical Christianity.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I did the cliche thing, and you know, throughout like
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: ninety percent of my my music collection, yeah exactly, you know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: just literally through them in the bin. And it was
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: a massive journey for me to kind of return back
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: to my first love, and way longer than it should
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: have been, you know, because I had all kinds of
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: pacological barriers and white not. But yeah, it was that way. Yeah,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that was a big thing for me coming back to
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: meddle and psychologically feeling okay about that and the Domain project.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: But it sounds ridiculous, you know, because I'm nearly forty.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I'm thirty nine now, and it took me so long,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and then I kept doing all these other kind of
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: musical things in between, you know, because it's less scary
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: if it's you know, if you're just producing for someone
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: else and you're just following a brief, you know, it's
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: way less scary and you can just do it as
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: a job, you know, and just and that's what I
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: did for so many years. I'm still doing and I've
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: grown to love it, you know. But doing something you know,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: that was really from the center of.
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: My heart, which in theosis is.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Huge journey for me to be able to become brave enough.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I know that sounds ridiculous, But it was really difficult
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: for me to become brave enough to come back to that,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: you know, my first love and go all right, well,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I need to be one hundred percent myself, you know
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: in the music, the content, you know, lyricism, the themes.
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: All of it. Yeah, anyway, sorry, that wasn't really a
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: short answer that.
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: No, it makes sense. You know something that I think
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: is interesting, just based off of the songs I've heard
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: thus far, is that time off. You were definitely cross
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: pollinating with quite a few different ideas. I think if
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: you listen to music, it feels very groovy, almost almost
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: hip hoppy. I mean, obviously there's a song with Damien
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: which is a whole other thing in itself, but like,
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: there's so much there's so much more going on than
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: what we would typically hear in you know, the modern
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: metal landscape. So I think that that time that you
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: did take off was not all or not. I think
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: that was quite useful time. Yeah, what are your thoughts?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm so so grateful that I was
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: still able to be in the music industry and I
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: didn't kind of you know, because you know, religious trauma
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: and trauma in general can have such power over you that.
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: That even like.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: You know, being right on the kind of periphery of
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: something can be difficult enough and kind of can push
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: you away from doing it. I mean, for instance, you know,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Peta just didn't want to have he hated music as
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: he you know, I'm sure maybe perhaps he's told you before.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I never got to stage where I hated music, but
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: but it was, you know, it was still very challenging
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to remain in it. But I feel like all of
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: his opportunities kept popping up, and you know, I don't
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: know exactly what I think about, you know, divine intervention
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: and you know, God presenting opportunities to you and someone
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: these days.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: But it felt like there.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Were a lot of moments where you know, I was
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: working in a very like in a job that you
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: wouldn't expect to meet other people.
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: That you know were in the music industry, but they were,
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: and you.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Know, one thing led to another, and then I, you know,
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: somehow I'm back in the music industry now producing hip hop,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: you know. And it's just strange things like that that
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: you know happened where circumstantially.
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: I just couldn't stay away from from music.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: And and I think like meeting all these different you know,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: producers and rappers and other artists through my journey. Yes,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: it's definitely shaped me.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, very much.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: So yeah, especially when you think you consider like how
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: much hip hop has changed, like the pop landscape in
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: the last.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: Ten years too, for sure. So yeah, definitely.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: And yeah, it's funny you use the word groove because
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I think groove has always been something that I've loved.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: You know, Pedal likes to take the piss out of
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: me because I love new metal.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Right, but.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I don't care like I'll copy it because I'm loud
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: and proud about loving loving new metal.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: But one thing they got right.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: You know, sure that you know, there's a lot of
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: like kind of like whiny, immature lyrics and.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Whatnot, But what they did get right was groove.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: You know, like, oh it's so well done.
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, listen to mud Vain and tell me that that's
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: not awesome groove.
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Exactly, you know, like Korn's first album, you know, yeah,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: you know, and like it makes sense to David. The
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: drum was influenced by Primus and you know, and I
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: mean John Otto from them Biscuit. He was a trained
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: jazz drummer, and you can hear it, you know, it's
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: just so much groove. So yeah, definitely, Yeah, to come
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: back to your question, it really did has shaped me
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: a lot, and it's also shaped me in terms.
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: Of like.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Not like my world view as well, in terms of
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: not just doing this kind of living and inner binary,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: but being able to see beyond, you know, the kind of.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Cultural divisions that the Christians often.
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: Draw and realize, hey, like.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: These things are not at all and I would argue
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: even scripturally.
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: Like it's not meant to be that way at all either.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: And just seeing this the creativity and the sacred and
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: in everything, you know, not just slide this little.
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: Tiny little holly hoddle.
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: But yeah, you know, Peter, going back to you for
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: a second, I did kind of get like this vibe
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: of reluctance. I mean, and we did talk about how,
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: you know, you weren't you weren't really vibing with music
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: at all for a while there. We had you on
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: last time, and uh, you know, we talked Herata and
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: all that stuff, and then all of a sudden, it
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: was like, I don't know, a week or two later,
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden, here's in theosis. I'm like well,
• 30:34
  Speaker 6: what the hell? But and he told us about this,
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: this is this, this stuff is amazing, and it just
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: came out of nowhere, right. Yeah, it seemed like like
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: there's like there's not just a little bit of new
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: interest in all these new ventures that you're a part of,
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: but a lot of interest. And it seems like it's
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: some of the most heartfelt and you know, straightforward kind
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: of you know, Peter Espival that we've ever seen. So
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: where did that change happen for you? What was the
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: really big catalyst that all of a sudden like, hey,
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: I'm back in full force.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I think actually I touched a little bit on it
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: the Yeah, one of the other times I talked with
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you guys. But yeah, no, like music, for me, I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: was one hundred percent sure that I wouldn't never do
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: music again. Ever. Yeah, I was so fed up with
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: the whole thing, and everything was so tied up to
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: my faith and you know, starting as a worship leader
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: as a fourteen year old kid, which is the same
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: time I started extall everything is just like blended together
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: with faith and music and you know, being sort of
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: like this being like a calling from God, and yeah,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: it's so tied up to you or to who you
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: are as a person, and then to me like suddenly
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: when when yeah, my my life kind of fell apart
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: at some point around two thousand and six, music just
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: went away and then everything else went away, Like it
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: was like the rug was just pulled out from beneath you.
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: Kind of like if I can interrupt really quick kind
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: of along those lines too, do you feel like even
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: just like your appearance changed because of that, Like like
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: I remember like the first time I had ever seen you,
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: like again, knowing you from what you look like in
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: extole and then seeing you, and I remember, like I
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: think Colin and I like commented, it's like you're just
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: like you look like a dad now, Like you don't
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: you just look like a guy who has like grass
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: stanes on his like white white new balances or whatever.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Like you just you look like so much like a
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: dad now, And I'm like, it's it feels so different
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: than what you would have been like an extle where
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: I can imagine like if you're sort of wanting to
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: remove yourself, especially from extoll, like you're physically going.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: To like look different too.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: I would imagine maybe like that's a part of that
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: processing for you to like navigate, just like trying to
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: remove yourself from something that maybe at some point became
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: a little harmful in in your on life.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, probably some of those years were a little
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: bit of that for sure. But now, like when you
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: guys first met me, it's just I'm just an old dad,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: so you are.
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: It's not even an act anymore.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: That's just that's just how it is. Anyway, when I
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: turned forty, I hadn't done any music for yeah, like
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: ten plus years. Of course I did the Extole album,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the Extole Extole Album, but that was it was a
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: okay experience, but it didn't come as much from my
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: heart as it probably should have. So like for me,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: I had been sort of yeah, not doing music for
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: every long time. And I had a big party for
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: my yeah, when I turned forty, and me and a
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: friend we sang old Friends bookings by Simon and Gartha. Yeah,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: and for the first time in so many years, and
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: like even before I quit music, like it was like
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: the feeling of autopilot all the time and just not
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: authentic at all, And like for the first time in
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: so many years, I was like, wow, this was like
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: it was just one song and it was just for fun.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: It was just like really simple, but it felt so genuine,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: like it came from my heart. And that's really sparked
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: something inside of me. And then yeah, me and that
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: friend we started rather together. And what really sparked my
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: my like sort of the volcano eruption during the COVID
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: times was actually your President Donald Trump. Because I was
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: sitting here in a way, not able to talk to
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: any won or meet and one, and he was running
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: for re election and the shit that went on, you know,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: for those that last year before that election, that was
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: just mind blowing.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Well, I remember the first album is a lot about
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: that kind of political climate.
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So that was like I guess, like like
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: an inspiration to express myself or like I had to
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: express myself somehow, and luckily for me, music came back
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: into my life with full force. And since then, I'm
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: not joking, this is twenty nineteen, Like that's five years.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: It's still feels like a volcano eruption within me of creativity.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: It doesn't stop. It's it's insane.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So.
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: What I still struggle to understand is is, you know,
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: there was there was some some damaging parts of this
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: idea that hey, I have to do this for for
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: God because I've been called or I've been chosen to
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: do this or whatever. And the projects now still that
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: you're a part of have at least some adjacency too
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: theology or to religion of some sort. Right, So when
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: you're when you're looking at it that way, does that
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: do you have like that same you know, anxiety about
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: the early days at times based off of.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: That, No, not so much.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I'm I have gone through a long process of yeah,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: just deconstructing my faith and going through you know, working
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: through some traumas, and I think I'm at a place
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: now where I have quite a lot of peace and
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: rest when it comes to this for myself. And yeah,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: whatever I expressed or we express within theosis, or what
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I express through rada or anything else lyrically, it's it's
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: sort of reflecting my journey and where I am right now.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: And that's also probably going to change, you know, for
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: the next ten years.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, I definitely want to talk more like faith
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: and theology stuff. But before diving into that, are most
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: of the is most of the screaming in some of
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: these songs you Peter.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, what what is it screaming a little bit
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: as well?
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, nice? What what what is it like for you.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: To go to what's it like for you to go
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: back into screaming?
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: No, that's it's like riding a bike. Right, it's uh,
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: you've done it since you were a kid, and it's
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: all good.
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: We have talked to some who have been doing this
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: for a long time that's say that they can't do
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: it anymore.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, yeah, well they suck.
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: We'll be sure that says that they suck.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: No, No, it's like to me, it's it's I've been
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: doing it a little bit with Extole as well, right,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: because we're like last year we released a couple of
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Extole songs and we're working on new material for Extol
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: as well. So yeah, it's it's.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: There, you know.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: I will say, I'm a little surprised that, you know,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: there's going to be new Peter Extole stuff, because gosh,
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Bruce killed it at Furnace fast.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: And I I was I was convinced he was going
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: to become the new lead singer of Extoll.
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry to disappoint.
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: Did you did you watch any of their set?
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: I thought, are you kidding me.
• 39:06
  Speaker 5: I thought Bruce killed it. He was awesome.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was awesome. I was in Norway. I'm not
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: doing Live with Extol. I will never do it again.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: But I'm doing everything else. I'm doing studio and booking
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. So I'm very much involved still.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: But when I yeah, it was the first show in
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: the US for nineteen years, right, so it was exciting,
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: and of course I had a little bit of fomo.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: That's one should but uh so I.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Would have been able to hang out with Colin, and
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's gonna be worth a ticket, right, Yeah,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: come on, now.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: You guys need to come here.
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: We'll hang out.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: I seriously, I want to go to Norway so bad.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Well I hear you say that, but nothing is okay.
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: Well, this a lot of money.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: Hey, I'm one of those people though.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I I love doing like the Google flight tracker things,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: so I get I will put on I'm guess seen
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Oslo would probably be the cheapest place to fly into
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: I will put right after we're done with this, I
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: will put Oslo on my Google flight tracker and I'll
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: start seeing if there's any cheap flights to go.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Hell excellent, my friend, you are very welcome. Anyway, I
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: was I think it was like three or four at
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: night in Norway when they went on stage on Furnesstfest,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: and I was on my phone just refreshing the Instagram
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: stories so that I could see people tagging extolls. I
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: was on the Extole account on the Instagram and just
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: like refreshing to see and then basically I got to
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: see the whole sets because like there was like hundreds
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: of stories.
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: Probably in like livetime too, yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Lifetime, yeah exactly. So it was it was.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: Funny, that's awesome, that's pretty cool.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: It's gotta be interesting to like see somebody that is
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: like singing your parts. But I would imagine you love
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Bruce enough where it's like if anybody's gonna if anybody's
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: gonna sing any like extoll stuff from you, it's got
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: to be Bruce.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: It's got to be Bruce. It's lovely. And I mean
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: Elijah Mullins al so he did some live shows with
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Exol as well. So yeah, both of them are really
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: really lovely guys. And of course Bruce, like he was
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: my hero when I you know, got.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: Into I do love that, like Bruce is where like
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: he's a grandpa now basically, I mean, I don't know
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: if he's actually a grandpa, but he's like at that
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: age it could be, and he's still killing it at
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: grandpa age.
• 41:26
  Speaker 6: Ye.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean he was a huge influence or
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: DJ of course the first vocalists like on non existent
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and in habit Like I was just blown away by
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: living sacrifice back in the days.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: So yeah, all.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: Right, well let's talk about some faith and theology stuff.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: I normally try to avoid asking a band the question
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: why the band name, because I think it's a very
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: boring question typically. However, knowing for both of you, like
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: it sounds like you both kind of like grew up
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: in maybe like a conservative religious environment, and like you know,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: things have changed in your faith and theology and everything.
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: Why the band in Theosis? And I'm really curious, like
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: why the inn in Theosis? I'm just really curious just
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: the name in general. So I don't know who can
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: speak to that, but I'm really just curious about the
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: name and like what maybe was behind or what's the
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: story behind that name.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Oh So my faith started falling apart when I was
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: a missionary in two thousand and eight.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, And I left that position and.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Started, you know, a decade long wrestle with trying to
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: see if there's anything that I could hold on to still,
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: or if there was a way of re reapproaching my
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: faith in a way that felt like it wasn't a
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: dangerous and damaging to me and a lot of people
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: around me, and b it was life giving and see
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: that it had.
• 43:02
  Speaker 7: Some intellectual legs to stand on.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: And I ended up that year.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: In part through one of the friends that I had met,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: he was a Coptic Christian, started discovering discovering like the
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Eastern Father's like Athanacious and Gregor Avnissa and a whole
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: bunch of others, and that began, Yeah, the decade long
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: process of me going okay, like this sort of like
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: this conservative evangelicalism that I had inherited in part. And
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: even that's a bit of a complicated story because my parents,
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: especially my dad, has a way more complicated faith than
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: just being an evangelical.
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: He's he's tired now, but he was a.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Theologian and a minister, and the two of them were missionaries.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: So I was kind of I was born into this right,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: but my dad's theology was definitely more sophisticated than the
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: one that I stepped into once I converted myself as
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: a teenager.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: But.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: So kind of jumping back into my deconstruction, the faith
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: that I had really grabbed a hold of was yeah,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: pretty much like a formal, fairly extreme conservative evangelicalism, and
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: extreme in the sense that it was very I mean,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I call it extreme. Now having you know, way more
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: knowledge of the kind of spectrum of Christianity and theology.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Out there, but.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: It's discovering these Eastern fathers kind of woke me up
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: to the fact that, hey, like, we have this ancient
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: faith that is so much deeper and.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Compelling to me.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Anyway, then the last few hundred years, you know that
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: you get from from from evangelicalism. And that's not to
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: dislike Wesley and William Booth and a bunch of those
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: guys that are amazing, but you know, I guess the
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: current manifestation of conservative evangelicalism is, in my mind, is
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: pretty piss poor. And yeah, discovering these Eastern fathers, diving
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: into Twin Terran theologians like Bart and the Torrants brothers
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: and Maltman and so on, and then later on discover
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: bring Brad Jersac, David Bentley Hart, just tons and tons
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: of different theologians.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: I not to to my own horn, but I am
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: cited in a Brad jers act.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Yes that's awesome. Yeah, Yeah, Brad's been Yeah, he's been.
• 46:17
  Speaker 7: Very helpful in me kind of reconstructing my faith.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: But yeah, once I came across the concept of theosis,
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: it kind of things theah, It's like light bulb went
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: on and I realized, Hey, like that sort of trajectory,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: all that sort of tell us, you know, the purpose
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: of humanity is to become divine, and for us to
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: participate in the divinity of Christ, but then to become
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: divine ourselves through all of the hardships and all of
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: the suffering that we face. Made so much more sense
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: to me than the sort of judicial framework that I've
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: been handed of. Like, hey, which especially you know, from
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: a Calvinists perspective, was just so so yeah, messed up
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: on multiple levels, whether you're talking about the atonement or
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: whether you're talking about election or whatever. And realizing that
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: this wasn't some sort of kind of you know, gain
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: for God where you were a puppet, you know, and
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: he's like just playing with all of his his puppets,
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: and like, you know that it's more so this sort
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: of cosmic drama that you're a part of and that
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: you through your own sense of agency, but also working
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: towards having that agency liberated so that you can, you know,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: choose what is truly good, you know, to kind of
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: paraphrase David Bentley hart Is, that was way more compelling
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: to me. So, you know, the process of becoming you know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: more divine, more like you're truly called to be, and
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: then being in that process of theosis. That's kind of
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: how the phrase for me came about. You know, you're
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: in theosis. You're in this process of theosis.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I brought that to Pat and he liked it,
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: and yeah, sorry, I hope that didn't sound too convoluted,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: But it's trying. I'm trying to like kind of.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: A summarize and condense all of these, like you know,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: years and years of thoughts that somehow became.
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: This band name.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: I love that.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm very Protestant in a lot of ways, like
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: I find Protestantism, especially in terms of its ecclesiology, really compelling. However,
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I'm very much like the kind of Christian where you know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: there's parts of Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy that I find
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: very compelling as well, and certainly for me in terms
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: of Eastern Orthodoxy, to me, one of the most compelling
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: things that Eastern Orthodoxy has contributed to the breath of
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: and richness of Christian tradition is theosis. I just find
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: that an extremely compelling theological concept. And I'm very grateful
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: for the Eastern tradition for contributing that to Christianity because
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: I just find it extremely compelling.
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: How about for you, Peter, Yeah, I was gonna say,
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: there you go.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: How about work for me?
• 49:55
  Speaker 5: I mean, like, what like, what is that? What does
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: the name mean for you?
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: I mean.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not a theologian, and I don't speak so eloquently
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: as a John does. But to me, like this process
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: of life which we are, you know, a part of
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: walking through becoming a more and more whole. I guess
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: that's that's my hope anyway. But as I walk through
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: this life, all the hardships that I go through makes
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: me more whole. To me, that that's theosis. That's a
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: process that I'll be in until the day I die.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: And I think we talked about like thematically that we
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: wanted to be before we had the band name, also
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: that we wanted to to be real in our lyrics
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: about you know, stuff that we're going through, in the
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: processes that we have gone through and are going through.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: So yeah, just makes makes a whole lot of sense
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: to to have that as a name.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: Now, Colin, you know asked you earlier about like, you know,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: there's so much theology still in the lyrics that you're writing,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: especially in a band like this. Uh, and obviously the
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: the theology of a band like in Theosis is so
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: much different than you know when you were first writing
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: in Next All.
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: And so I'm just curious, like.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: When you're writing lyrics, like very theological type of lyrics
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: maybe for both of you, because I think are both
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: of you kind of writing lyrics?
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we we were Brainstorm Yeah, so far I think.
• 51:54
  Speaker 7: Does most of the writing.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: But you know, it comes out a lot of discussions
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: that we have and then.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I write some lyrics and then you
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: you make them better.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: He's got to make sure that there's no heresy in them, right.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Well, gosh, I mean we've already been branded as as Heretics.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: So that ship's gone.
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: Hey, that's metal.
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, you know, with like having Theosis
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: as a concept or you know, having that like part
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: of the name, what's funny to me is like, you know,
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: there are a lot of metal band even like non
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Christian metal bands that will use Christian concepts or the
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: theological concepts as their name. And what's you know, like
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: Orthodox for example. I've heard that as like a band name,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: and it's funny to me. Like, to me, like Theosis,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: like it does sound kind of metal, but when you
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: like think of the actual concept of it, it's like
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: it sounds like it should be like an indie band
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: It's not like.
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: Super metal at all in its concept, but like the this,
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: the word itself feels very metal.
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: It's kind of it's kind of the opposite of metal,
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: isn't it.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: You know, like metal is all about death and decay, right,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: and then like Theosis is like the opposite is about flourishing,
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: you know, becoming more divine.
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it makes sense.
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, to me, it should be like an indie pop
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: name or something.
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe we should do that as our next single.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Pet I would actually Peter, you'd have actually a great
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: voice for indie pop, I.
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: Think, And you look like an indie pop artist now, yeah, with.
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: Just the like slightly shaky hair.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah that's true. It's true.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, opening for two Door Cinema Club or something here
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: soon and then we lost Peter.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there you are.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: It's just deep in contemplation.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: I think, to me, like those lyrics I would say
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: to me or again a little bit like I said
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: about the name, I care more about talking about my
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: life than talking about something theological, if you understand what
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: I mean. But I also like that I think you John,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: you're very good at sort of putting this into into
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: this yeah framework that we are, Yeah, within the themes
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: and the theological themes that we have decided to sort
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: of incorporate us some of our expression and imagery and
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. So yeah, But to me, it's not
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: really a goal to to me personally, it's not a
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: goal to to sort of make this something theological in
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: some way. It's I just want to write lyrics about
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: my life how I see things.
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: I mean it makes sense to me that there's kind
• 55:06
  Speaker 6: of this this interesting like play between you guys, you know,
• 55:13
  Speaker 6: you got, you got a couple of different perspectives, not
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: not only of life, but also of of religion and
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: of family and friendship, all that. All this, I mean,
• 55:29
  Speaker 6: you guys are you guys are very very far apart,
• 55:31
  Speaker 6: but also very very close together in many ways, which
• 55:34
  Speaker 6: is it's it's very interesting to see how you guys
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: play off each other because I think it creates a
• 55:38
  Speaker 6: very very dynamic relationship that comes through in the music.
• 55:43
  Speaker 6: And I think that's what Mason and I appreciate about
• 55:45
  Speaker 6: in Theosis. But I think what everyone's really wondering is
• 55:50
  Speaker 6: how much in Theosis are we going to get? Are
• 55:52
  Speaker 6: we going to get more?
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there will be more. We are working on our
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: fourth single as we speak, with very special guests.
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: Really wow, I'm who's lead on you know who?
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: Okay? I thought she was worldwide?
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, so so and we're working on. Yeah, We've
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: got some ideas laying around and also some new days
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: in the writing, and so our our plan is to
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: to release an album hopefully during this year, by the
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: by by the end of the year, if if life
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: will have it that way, Yeah, and yeah, how many
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: singles we will release before the album? I don't know,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: maybe a couple more, let's see, and then yeah, we're
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: going to be rich off of those songs and do
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: whatever you want in life after that.
• 57:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're never too old to dream.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: There might only the only chance that might be the case.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: If you guys like go new metal.
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: Well, I mean there's some songs that kind of play
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: with it.
• 57:25
  Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's pretty, it's funny. Isn't it that? The
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: new metal renaissance that that's happening right now.
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: I love it. I'm a big fan. I am so
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: happy about it.
• 57:37
  Speaker 6: I think Peter and I might be on the same
• 57:39
  Speaker 6: the same ship here.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: You hang out on your.
• 57:41
  Speaker 7: Own boat over there.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I don't know. Is this some sort of
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: music genre we're talking about. I haven't heard of it.
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: It just news, but they spell it weird. Yeah, that's it.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, strange French.
• 57:57
  Speaker 5: Just imagine all the good music in the world Peter
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: in one genre.
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: Okay, all right, well, speaking of of a lot of
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: great music, let's get into our our top our top
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: music here. For Peter, it's going to be bands that
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: he should like on paper but really doesn't so.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: And it's going to be really, So I'm just gonna go,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to be rude.
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: I'm just it's not rude.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: Go Metallica, our Maiden, Metallica.
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: The same band twice. Yeah, I mean, I mean.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: Oh wow, that hurts man far dang.
• 58:42
  Speaker 6: I mean you could argue that there are basically two Metallica's.
• 58:46
  Speaker 6: There's the Yeah, there's like there's like the like the
• 58:50
  Speaker 6: better version that was earlier on the thrash version, and
• 58:54
  Speaker 6: then there's like the even worse, the worst version afterwards.
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: And Peter hates both of them, which is amazing. And
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: I know I can't say I quick get on board
• 59:02
  Speaker 6: with the Iron Maiden. I can kind of get on
• 59:05
  Speaker 6: board with Metallica at times, but.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Iron Maiden Iron Man is the most boring bad ever
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: ever in the history of humankind and the universe.
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: Okay, I agree, I agree with like eighty percent of that.
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: But Bruce Dickinson's voice is one of my favorites because
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: it's it's fun to try to like match him. All Right, Well, good, Peter,
• 59:29
  Speaker 6: I think I think you pretty well nailed it.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks.
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: You need to be a music critic.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, I can continue on if you guys more, Yeah,
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: you might as well.
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: Take at least two more, but it can't more times.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I'll be nice. No, I'm done. I'm done.
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: You're such a Norwegian all right, Uh, straight to the
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: point and and mostly polite about even things that they hate,
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  Speaker 6: which is.
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  Speaker 5: It's pretty great, including the Swedes. You. I mean, you're
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: nice enough to let a sweet in your band. That's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, what do you guys want to plug? Obviously
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: there's a few singles already out. Sounds like a new
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: single is going to be on the way here soon.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: But yeah, what do you guys want to plug?
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just hope people want to check out the songs
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: that we have out and be on the lookout for
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: new things coming. We have merch and it's sick.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: By the way.
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  Speaker 3: Also, all the all the artworks so far on all
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: the singles there they are, it's so sick, it's so
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: well done.
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  Speaker 1: I agree a thank you. Yeah, so check out yeah,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: check out the merch.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you want to support us in that way,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: that's awesome. I have some new music coming out with
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Brado this year as well, work new new full length
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: album together with a guy from Canada.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: You are mister worldwide, aren't you.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, my wife is a little bit
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: upset about it, to be honest, Like I'm like having
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: these kind of meetings are interviewer sessions every like whenever.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 6: I thought she just had like a hatred for Canadians
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 6: or something like that. But that makes more sense.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: We are writing a full album about death. That's a
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: theme on that the New Right album. Yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: And of course, as I said earlier, ext all be
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: on the lookout for new extole songs coming soon to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: to your ears, It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: pretty awesome. So yeah, yeah, in Theosis is it's it's
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: gonna be some really cool songs coming up. And I
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: think we're kind of I think you said it that
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: we we that our differences are sort of coming all
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: nicely together with a bunch of quite varied songs, but
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: within sort of this semi progressive modern metal expression, which
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I really love it. I really really enjoy the things
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: that we do, so hopefully check it out.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: Anything else you'd like to plan.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are going to the US within Theosis, and
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: we are going on on the Warp.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there there are a couple of Warp tours
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  Speaker 3: coming up now I saw it's coming back.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: It's coming back baby, and we're on board.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: Nice in Theosis You're like yes, but you're like, extell no,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 6: never live again.
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  Speaker 4: Huh.
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  Speaker 6: Of course makes sense. Who wants to hang out with
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 6: and those guys anyway.
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  Speaker 1: So hope to see everyone there.
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  Speaker 5: Well.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: Peter and John super stoked about all the new music
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: coming out and coming out of in Theosis, just really
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: really stoked about it. It's such it's so great. It's
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: i mean, we're just already big fans. So thanks so
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 3: much for chatting about it. And hopefully we can hang
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: out with you guys.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Again for sure, and then Norway next time, Man.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: And Norway, and I'll try to be there as soon
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: as I can.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you right after this Google flight Tracker awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having us