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Howie Roseman Showing His Urgency To Repeat With Rash Of Trades, Acquisitions · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on everybody? Jeff Moser,
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Adam Kaplan Middle of the week. Two Inside the Birds
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is the Eagles get ready to face the Kansas City Chiefs.
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Speaker 2: That sounds kind of familiar.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a Super Bowl rematch and it was very interesting.
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I didn't realize it until Nick Sirianni's Wednesday press conference, Adam,
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But Nick Sirianni said, we have played four teams every
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year since I've been the head coach. One is obviously Dallas,
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one is the Giants, one is the Commanders because they're
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in the division, and the Chiefs they played every year.
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Speaker 2: That's unbelievable.
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Speaker 3: That the.
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Speaker 2: Very very wild.
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Speaker 1: But Adam, what's even more wild as we get into
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this thing, Man, Howie Roseman is like a whirling dervish
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man like he just can't He's like a Tasmanian devil.
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It's just going and going and going. Executed his fifth
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trade this week since the start of training camp and
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at nearly every position. But as we'll get into there
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are still some positions of concern going into this matchup.
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Speaker 2: So big week ahead, and how you doing, by the way.
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Speaker 4: I'm doing well, man. Yeah, it's it's been an interesting week. Yeah,
1:19
how he's the big reason is that the roster, the
1:23
bottom of the roster needs help. Yeah help. We'll get
1:25
into that. We've been on this interest thing for a
1:28
couple of months. We talked about for the season start
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that jalox H might not be there as a pass rusher.
1:36
You got to give it time, you know. They I
1:38
don't want to say they rushed his situation, but he's
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a starter and you got to be patient here. You
1:45
saw what happen with it. I'm not saying he's gonna
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have a Nolan Smith type of breakout season. Nolan Smith
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got off a bad start, didn't have a good trading camp,
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not that Jackson had a bad training camp, but it
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wasn't anything to write home about, right, and he's far
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away from being an accomplished pas rusher. So because of that,
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we'll get into the big move they made out, which
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I love you and I haven't done a show since then,
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so we definitely want to get into this. But how
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he's now the Bigsby one is a little different. It's
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it's not that it's a completely different situation Thans Darius
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Smith or where they there was a major need where
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running back wasn't but there was a couple of reasons
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for it. And but but the practice squad man, he
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I mean, he's That's why we say in an Eagles case,
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it's a seventy man roster because they have an international player.
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So this seventy man roster is being churned.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, man, you got guys got one
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way and two way tickets left and right. Montreal jos here,
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one day you're gone and you're how about how about
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Kenyon Green? You make you get waved at the cutdown,
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then you get brought back to the practice squad, then
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you're signed to the fifty three, then you're inactive.
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Speaker 2: Then you get waived.
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Speaker 1: I mean, and last I checked, I think at the
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time of this recording, he was not brought back.
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Speaker 4: No, yeah, squad, but no.
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Speaker 1: Give it, give it a week or two because the
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tango will keep going. But that's just like the same
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thing with Montreal Johnson. You're here, you're not. You're here,
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you're not. So there's a lot of bottom rolls activity
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going on. It's a little bit dizzying. It's very interesting.
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We've got some really good intel on some of the
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moves that we'll get into with today. Hope everybody so
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far has been enjoying the week of content, whether it's
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Speaker 2: That's where you can watch it.
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Speaker 1: It was you, Andrew Deiceco and Sean Landetta talking some
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Eagles from Chickys and Peaks and Parks, Casino and man.
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Landetta was awesome. He brought energy, he brought five. This
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is not your typical punter, Like, this is a guy
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who knows football and he's into it, and he brought
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the fire with you, and Andrew.
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Speaker 4: I got to play golf with him, because, uh, the
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when I go to these celebrity events, the best part
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about it, like giving no Scott fiskey for those of
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you who were Penn Staters or filed filed the Stars
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or the or Eagles or wherever it's Scott. Also, Scott
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told band Remember I forgot he was with the Charger
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of Play with Dan Fouts. Pretty cool. But uh, the
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stories that Sean had with Andrew and I, it's just
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and I kept telling him, Sean, Dude, I wish we
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had two hours. Man, I just would give you the
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mic and just keep talking.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Is, and you're talking about, by the way, one of
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the best punters in NFL history. I forgot he was
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on two All Decade teams. Yep, these guys a special
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punt of great dude, man he is that was our
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first guests. Now I think it's you, and Andrew. If
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I'm not mistaken. This Tuesday in Marlon Is.
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Speaker 2: It is that the the Marlton one already coming up. Yeah,
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thank good. I haven't checked the calendar.
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Speaker 4: I could be wrong, but yeah, I think a week away.
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Speaker 2: I'll check, we'll check.
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Speaker 4: But okay, real quick, it's it's actually I'm looking at
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it now. It's me and Andrew and Warrington pa up
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six eleven.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so go out and see him at Chicki's Chickys
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in Warrington Pack. Ye right, all right, so good stuff there.
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Let us get into the transactions. We'll go to the
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big ones first. All right, you already alluded to it.
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They they immediately addressed the Edge Rush situation. They signed
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Zadarius Smith Ben van Sumern, who's out with the knee.
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The tell attendant Terror is going to go on. He
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goes on injured reserve. So they bring in Zadarias Smith.
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Very interesting to hear Vic talk about him, Adam, because
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you know Vic doesn't really throw a lot of love
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at anybody, and you know he was asked about Sadarius
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Smith and said, yeah, we have to see what he's
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got and and uh, we'll see how ready he is.
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I mean, they signed this guy to be to play.
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So even if it's not a whole lot of snaps
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on Sunday there's no question that in this three man
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rotation that Vic prefers Adam Zadarius. Smith's gonna be a
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big part of it. And as we talked about I
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think we talked about this on Patreon or on some
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platform we were on. He can move inside and play
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inside in Nickels.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 4: Oh yeah. They boy, they gave him. They gave him
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some money. They did a three year void on his contract,
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typical of a one year deal. Just what they do.
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He'll make just over four million. It looks like I
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don't have all the details yet. I had something sent
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to me, so I'm just parting through it. Yeah. Look,
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there was always that concern if you were trying to
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sign him that he might re sign with Detroit because
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he the Lions have been very vocal. They had interest
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in bringing him back at some point, but he goes
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beat him to it. They didn't work them out. They
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just signed him. Now, this is the one thing before
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we move on two things. I want to add you
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abolutely ready, he has played inside, There's no doubt about it.
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But now he's been almost his entire career up until
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he went to Cleveland, who played a forty three fronty.
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He's been a stand up pass rusher, so he'll fit
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in from that stat standpoint. He's got to do drops
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here because you know, they dropped the edges in the
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short area, so he's gonna have to do that in
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the flat. So he's got to do that. That's been
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a VIC staple. You can go back to Denver in
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other areas, so that he's got to get used to
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doing that. And look, he is thirty three, He's been
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mostly mostly healthy in his career. He's a power edge rusher.
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Guy's a good football player. Now, for people bringing up
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Robert Quinn, try not to conflate. I get I understand
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the thought process. I've seen about it. Fifty thousand tweets
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about this. Oh you better not be Robert Quinn. I
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get the point. But Robert Quinn unfortunately came in hurt.
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They didn't know this. He passed their physical, he woud
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up having he wound up having a knee problem and
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a back problem. It just it didn't work out. But
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here's the difference is Daris Smith. They didn't have to
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give a draft pick too to a team because he
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was he was cut by the lines. He's making a
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ton of money, and so the Eagles they cut the
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lines cut him earlier this year, the Eagles were bringing
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him in. One thing though, and we got to mention this,
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Vic alluded to it. You just don't know what kind
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of shape he's in. He hasn't been with the team
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since January, right, so the guy got to look at
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you can't I agree with your assessment. He josh Usha
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look good like he looks he's but he's a smaller
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guy to Darius Smith.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 4: I know he's listed to seven. I don't even know
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if he's too sixty. But he's a much bigger, bigger
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dude than josh uh so uh, he gives him something different.
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If Zadarius Smith looks like if Vic thinks he's he likes,
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he likes what he's seeing. Yes, they could put a
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packs replace for him together in Kansas City, But as
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we go along, he it could be just two guys
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who come off the bench, Smith and Usha and Obo
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doesn't play, and and honestly with Juli, he may not play.
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And that's kind of where we're at here.
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Speaker 2: I really wonder what's gonna happen with Ojelari.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a little too early, right, now we
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got we got some more tea leaves to read through.
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But if he just continues to be inactive, to me,
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your face, you're you're looking at a situation.
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Speaker 2: I wrote about this on Philly Voice that.
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Speaker 1: It could be something similar to like Devin White last year,
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where maybe they come to some kind of agreement where
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he gets his you know, free agency early before the
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trade deadline because he wants to go somewhere else, and
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then they do some kind of work it out. That
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wouldn't surprise me, because he's making the kind of money
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where it doesn't make sense to have on the fifty
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three and sit there and not play.
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: You know, Bryce hoff situation was a little different last
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year because he was hurt for a little bit and
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then you know, he just you know, they tried to
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make it work and it didn't. I think with Ojalari,
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I'm just cureous. They made it sound like there's still
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gonna be a role for him. I'm not sure that
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that was anything more than lip service. So we'll say
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I don't see, because we know Vic likes a three man.
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Vic is not Jim Schwartz. He doesn't want to play
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eight guys, nine guys. He wants his starters and then
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a couple of backups and to work them as much
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as possible. He likes his best players being on the field,
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and if Ojilari is not in your top three pass
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rushers and not in your top seven overall, then you
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got there's something that's got to give.
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Speaker 4: There s Yeah, I mean us, Yeah, you're not gonna
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He's definitely not gonna play more than four guys or
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only four guys will dress it most right. So yeah,
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And then by the way, later in the season, because
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we saw a little bit of Campbell as an interest.
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He sees an inside backer, to be clear, But they're
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situationally sometimes where you might go, he just might be
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in Nickel, depending on how everybody's doing. If Vic's not happy,
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who says Campbell? Can't you saw what he's done with Degen.
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You're gonna do what you have to do. As as
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a coach. You're about trying to win. Vic doesn't care
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about contracts or how they drafted a player. It's how
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he sees them. That's if we've learned anything about this guy.
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It's not like he's trying to be argumented with it
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with the front office. He has the autonomy, do what
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ever hell he needs to do to win. They're not
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gonna tell him what to do. And if he thinks
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Campbell should be lining up seventy five percent ILB as
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he calls him, and then because he doesn't use outside linebackers,
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he uses edge rushers. If he wants twenty five with
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edge Campbell, that may happen. I wouldn't roll it out either.
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Speaker 1: I totally agree. It's a situation that we'll watch him,
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will monitor. The other move is the trade for Tank
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Bigsby from Jacksonville. How how he gives up this is
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this is shocking to me. This is yeah, you know,
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this is the one where you ask around the league
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and people will be like, hey, man, if another GM.
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Speaker 2: Does it, it looks weird.
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Speaker 1: If how he does it, you appreciate the urgency, uh,
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and and that there's something more to it. Right, So
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he gives up a fifth and a sixth for Bigsby,
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and I believe one of those picks can can become
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a fourth based.
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Speaker 4: On yeah, yeah, yeah, it was came from without looking
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at think I might have been in the niners. There
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was there was a condition on it, but.
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Speaker 1: Well, that has to happen only if the pick they
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get from the if so, if the pick that they
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got from the Niners becomes better, because the report is
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that that Bryce hoff gets eight sacks, then it becomes
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the fourth and that's not going to Jacksonville. So Jacksonville's
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only going to get a fifth and a six. Right, Yeah,
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they're not gonna get anything more than that. But the
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point is how many people give up two draft picks.
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I get that they're low picks, but they're picks for
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a running back who has basically worked his way down
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the depth chart on Jacksonville. So well, actually he was
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the two just well he was, but clearly they played
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ETN and they've got to and they got to that.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, let me give you the real story here. So
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what happened last year with him? I know this story
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is interesting. So a lot of people in the league
13:48
were very excited about Bigsby. In fact, the former staff
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they started working bigs By and with ETN e TN
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had did not play well. Lest I'm gonna be gonna
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be kind about it. He just didn't play well. He
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he just he looked great week one last week, but
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he didn't have a good season. And Bigsby had a
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phenomenal training camp last year twenty four and they started
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working him in. They started they had a little bit
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of a time share, and then unfortunately the second half
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of the season, it just didn't happen for Bigsby. It
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started to fall off. He might have been hurt, I'm
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not sure. Maybe he was doing some minor stuff. He
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just didn't look the same. I don't know that he
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wore down. He had three really good games last season
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Colts Patriots. He was terrific, and it looked like they
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were going to be a time share of the rest
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of the season. They kind of were, but he didn't
14:36
capitalize it. They they and of course that staff got
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fired and you have a new staff that didn't know him.
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They weren't the front office and coaching staff. This was
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not there when they got him. That's never good. When
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when you mentioned the draft, Twoton.
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Speaker 2: What's that and Quinn Allen right right, who's their fourth back?
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Speaker 4: So yeah, he was kind of on borrow time because
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now he does have two years left on his deal,
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which is a smart thing. You know, by the way,
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that's that's that's the secret sauce of this deal. I
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can tell you there's no way they're giving up that
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conversation for guys on last year. His deal is gonna
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be a backup, No way in hell.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 4: So look, the guy's talent, he was a third round pick,
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he's built really well. Uh, he's got some juice for
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a guy's compact. I like the move. It's a lot
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to give up for a backup. Now, let's just clear
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up something they didn't trade from just because he could
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return kicks. I find that comical, Like, do you really
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think how he's gonna have two draft picks for a
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guy to return kicks? Are you out of your mind?
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Speaker 1: Right, He's he's gonna he's gonna be the he's gonna
15:38
get in there and obviously.
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Speaker 4: With well we'll see. But yeah, I mean that that's
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why this got done. Shipley's got Didn't Derek Gunn say
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there's a broken rib? Didn't he put that out there?
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Speaker 2: Reported the broken rib? Yeah? Yeah, maybe hopefully Yeah, Now.
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Speaker 1: The severity of the broken rib will be interesting. They're
15:54
calling in an oblique on the injury. See, uh, he
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didn't practice when day. You know how it is, If
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you don't practice Wednesday and you're not practicing by Friday,
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then you're probably not going to play.
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Speaker 4: Almost certain. There's like a ten percent chance a guy
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plays if he doesn't practice at all during the week,
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particularly the younger players. But yeah, it's a that's a
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it's a shame because Shipley looks so good. I know
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he barely played last week.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it's a it's an So I hit
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up somebody who knows the Eagles really well, league league
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person trying to make sense of it, and you know,
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this person says to me, look, you know how he's urgent.
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He also felt it was a steep price, but he understood.
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And then he brought up something to me that I
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thought made a lot of sense. He said, you remember
16:40
the whole Avery Williams experiment where they wait, did a
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guy who could play multiple roles, roles who could return
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kicks so you could throw in your running back room,
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you can give it to him in gadgety way, Like
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he said, this is that that kind of guy, except
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he's actually proven that he can play in the NFL.
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Speaker 2: And I thought, that's a good point. You know, that's
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a good point.
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Speaker 1: So you're right, he's not just there to return kicks.
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That's silly, and but he does he can serve that purpose.
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The dynamic kick return will cater to his style. He
17:09
is an inside the tackles runner. So that's what the
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Eagles like to do. Adam and and he what I
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think was interesting, just like we talked about oj Lari,
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What does this mean for aj Dillon in the long
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run when Will Shipley is healthy and now you have
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a running back room of Barkley Shipley bigsby Dylan interest.
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Speaker 4: Well, once Shipley gets healthy, Okay, Now we'll assume Derek's
17:33
reports right that he's got a broken rip. I know
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they called it a blake. Well, you could still fracture
17:37
a riv's in the area, Yeah, in that area. So
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let's say, and by the way, they haven't put on
17:43
an IRI at Shipley, and they have till Saturday for
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this week's transactions or they or you have to wait
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for the next money to do something. So anyway, uh,
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let's say he's out a couple of weeks. Okay, then
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you've got three backs Montreal Johnson, by the way, was
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brought back in and cut off the press within twenty
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four hours. That was a wild Yeah. So yeah, I
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mean you need to by the way, in your seventy
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man roster. You have to have four. You can't ever
18:08
have three, right, because if somebody gets hurt on Saturday,
18:11
you're you're you're in trump major trouble. You could You
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cannot go in to a game with two.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 4: You have to have a minimum four in your seven.
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That's I have the minimum of maximums maximums five, minimums
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four at running back. That's what I was given. It
18:25
makes total sense. I can never have three on seventy. Man,
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you're that you're rolling. That's you just can't do that.
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Speaker 2: So it's a fullback or something. But yeah, you're right, Well,
18:34
well who.
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Speaker 4: Could carry You're right? If it was like Larry Centers
18:37
or someone who could carry the ball a little bit, Oh,
18:40
like Mike Golstott. Different story for old schoolers out there,
18:44
or some people in my fantasy league called Mike all Scott.
18:46
I they could never spell anyway. I like this move,
18:49
but man, it's a lot to give up now Again,
18:53
Dylan is on a one year deal. Just think because
18:56
I think the thinking is a little bit provincial. It's like, Okay,
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the fans typically only care about this week or this season.
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They don't care about the future. They just want to win, right,
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dms always have an eye in the future in addition
19:09
to to this year. Sure, that's the other part about this.
19:12
I like that Bigsby's got a couple of years left
19:13
those contract.
19:14
Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyway, he becomes the fifth trade that Howie
19:19
makes since the start a camp right at each a
19:21
different pace. You got Ja Coreyan Bennett, you got Sam Howell,
19:24
you got Fred Johnson, you got Johnny Metchi.
19:27
Speaker 2: And now you got Tank Bigsby.
19:29
Speaker 1: I think the only thing that surprises me is that
19:32
they all again a in their own individual sense or
19:36
right make a makes some sense. But you know, for
19:38
a team that really did well with draft and developing
19:40
young guys last year, it almost seems like Howie is
19:43
just not messing around. If he sees something he can get,
19:47
he's gonna get it. And that this person that I
19:49
spoke to said, he said, I know what you're saying.
19:52
When I told him, I felt like it was a
19:53
little bit of like a in and out revolving carousel,
19:56
kind of a feeling almost like I don't want to
19:58
say panic button, but it does seem weird how urgent
20:00
he is. But this person says, but that that has
20:02
worked for Howie in the past.
20:03
Speaker 2: It may not work for everybody, but it worked for
20:05
Howie is good at it.
20:07
Speaker 4: I mean he does he get it all is right, No,
20:08
but a majority of the time he does. Now now
20:11
part of it, let's be honest, it's kind of where
20:14
they weren't like a corner, uh because of the Jackson
20:18
situation and and uh and Ringo didn't work out right
20:21
how to do something. We've said this before about how
20:25
he he will spare no expense to correct something or
20:29
to improve something. That that he's fearless. So to be fearless,
20:33
you can't worry about being wrong. You just you gotta do.
20:36
You gotta do. You got to put together your information
20:39
and go from there.
20:40
Speaker 2: I agree, I absolutely see it.
20:43
Speaker 1: I think this person, you know, when he when he
20:45
was talking to me, I was getting it.
20:47
Speaker 2: So yeah, that that's so. Those are the moves.
20:49
Speaker 1: Those are the really big moves. There are also some
20:52
smaller moves we'll get into in a second. But man,
20:55
you know, we're past week one and now we got
20:57
to hear from that guy I've been telling you about
20:58
for a while now, that.
20:59
Speaker 2: Guy who hits the five leg parlay in week one
21:02
and then doesn't shut up about it. For the rest
21:04
of the season.
21:05
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Speaker 1: So the smaller moves, we've talked about them a little bit.
22:02
You get Montreal Johnson, you're in. You're out from the
22:04
practice squad. Holland Pierce was sent to the practice squad
22:09
Elijah Cooks, who was the training camp Darling for a
22:11
little bit first two weeks until Darius Cooper arrived arrived,
22:15
I meaning emerged. Elijah Cooks has now been released from
22:19
the practice squad and really Adam. The surprise to me
22:23
was Gabe Hall getting more so than Kenyon Green. Gabe
22:27
Hall had this really nice camp.
22:30
Speaker 4: Here's what I've felt. I kind of learned this the
22:36
last couple of weeks just looking into his game at
22:38
getting opinions. Guys. A, he's got talent, obviously, he's got
22:41
ideal he's got ideal length. It's elite length. Really, he's
22:46
been a good story. But he doesn't He's like, he
22:49
does not have Byron Young's versatility, and he doesn't stop
22:52
the run. He's not a run guy. M hm, he's
22:56
five techniques, seven technique can play it where I Again,
23:00
he's got great length, but Byrn Young gives him more
23:04
than Gabe Hall does. And when when Russia spots had
23:08
a premium and for a back end guy who Vic
23:11
doesn't like to play a lot of lineman like Schwartzey's
23:14
was the exact difference he complete opposite right, Yep, Schwartz
23:18
loved to play sometimes a lineman. He this is what
23:21
he wanted, but that's not Vic. And plus with we
23:25
should mention the strangeness of a non suspension suspension for
23:31
for I'll tell you what, man, I really didn't want
23:34
I actually don't want to talk about this. I'm so
23:36
mad at the way that they handle this, the NFL
23:37
with not I don't I don't care what what happens
23:40
with suspensions. But he was so clumsy. Whoops, it was
23:44
so clumsy. Uh he suspects, Okay, you're not suspending with
23:48
pay without pay for week one where he didn't play,
23:51
but he's not gonna get pay this week? Come on,
23:53
what do we do?
23:55
Speaker 1: Was it took you an extended long amount of time
23:57
to announce that you weren't going to do anything then
24:00
find him.
24:01
Speaker 2: It's like, why did that?
24:02
Speaker 4: What are we doing? I don't know. I just I
24:06
don't subscribe to the NFL make stuff as they go along.
24:08
I know it's I know they're thoughtful, they go over things.
24:12
I know it wasn't a punch. It would sped to me, honestly,
24:17
this is this is to me, it's offensive. I mean,
24:20
I just think it's wrong. Yeah, but I know he
24:23
was gonna try it. He was good. I mean, I
24:24
he owned up. I mean he had to. Everyone sold
24:26
at home. But it's just to me, man, if you're
24:30
going to suspend them, do it for without pay for
24:32
one game. But the argument, and this is the problem
24:35
because the NFL knows he would have appealed it most likely,
24:40
and then because the appeal would come immediately, they'd hear it.
24:44
They would. The way it goes is you you appeal,
24:47
you get suspend it on Monday, you get your letter.
24:49
They because they watch the tape over the weekend, and
24:52
then you appeal, and they hear it before Wednesday's practice.
24:55
So they gut because they want to know, but they
24:58
it obviously would look bad if if Rosenhalis to Rosvelt's
25:02
agent and the NFL P hey got, you know, got
25:07
he would work out where he didn't get suspended. I mean,
25:09
so they still got what they wanted because he's not
25:12
getting paid this week, but he's playing. See that. That's
25:15
everyone will have their opinion on this. It's a really
25:18
odd thing. I I it's just different from most suspensions,
25:22
which are not or maybe they are, you know what
25:25
I mean.
25:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was, it's it was. It was
25:29
very weirdly handled. I'm I'm definitely with you on that.
25:32
Speaker 2: But he will be well, he'll be available to play.
25:34
Speaker 1: I mean, I imagine he'll play, but Nick Sirianni obviously
25:38
is not speaking.
25:39
Speaker 2: It's right.
25:40
Speaker 4: I wonder how they're going to handle this. I am
25:44
I am really excited. I should say excited. I'm really interested.
25:48
Is it the token? Okay, all right, you won't you
25:51
won't be on the field for the first play?
25:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, first first play, first drive. That's like the non
25:56
punishment punishment, you know. Yeah, we'll say. But again, so
26:01
so Gabe Hall, like you were saying, And it's interesting.
26:05
I feel like his reputation around the league still was
26:08
what it was when he got into the league, because
26:10
a couple of people have reached out to me from
26:12
other teams that were familiar with his story when they
26:14
saw that he made the fifty three. And the questions
26:18
I got was is he is he still not playing
26:20
tough or is he still playing soft? And I'm like no,
26:22
I thought he had had a pretty good camp, but
26:24
that that was the reputation for him, you know, coming
26:27
out of Baylor, and you know, you and I watched him.
26:30
Speaker 2: He had a good camp. We felt that the coaching
26:32
stuck for a year.
26:33
Speaker 1: But again, you're only playing you met you just nailed it.
26:38
The guy that they have that's more versatile is Byron Young.
26:43
And so right now you've got Jordan Davis, a Joemo,
26:46
Carter Young.
26:46
Speaker 2: You don't really need.
26:48
Speaker 1: On your active roster too much more than that, especially
26:50
if you're gonna have guys on your on your practice
26:52
squad too.
26:53
Speaker 4: By the way, yep, they do have on the practice
26:57
squad who they have real quick on the practice squad.
27:00
Speaker 2: I think Jacob Sykes is back, correct.
27:02
Speaker 4: He's right, good call, Sex is back. But who's with
27:05
him in training camp? So you know it's interesting. Well,
27:10
as much as he had a good training camp, no
27:11
one claimed him off waivers, right, you know that that's interesting.
27:15
Speaker 1: So well, that's going to sure you that that reputation
27:19
around the league probably was still existing a lot his issue.
27:23
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, guys, I know Vic Fanger brought up
27:25
the knee injury. That's fine, That's not why you didn't
27:26
get drafted. It was strictly because of effort tape and
27:30
Baylor had real scouting people at real issues with his effort.
27:34
But man, he he he he brought it. I love,
27:36
by the way, I loved hearing his interviews training camp
27:40
veagles on They make you know on the YouTube channel
27:43
they have, you have the ability to selected player interviews.
27:47
He was phenomenal talk about his relationship with Byron Young.
27:51
Speaker 1: Didn't want to bring a back story about it on
27:53
Inside the Birds dot Com.
27:54
Speaker 2: He talked to both of them and wrote a really
27:56
really good.
27:56
Speaker 4: Cool story and yeah, yeah, we'll.
27:59
Speaker 2: See if we'll see if he comes back a right.
28:02
Speaker 1: So that is it for that. Let's get to some
28:04
of the injuries. Yes, some of them we've known. You know,
28:07
Tanner McKee is still out of practice with the broken
28:10
right thumb. Will Shipley we talked about with the oblique man.
28:14
All right, here's what we got to really discuss because
28:17
this is the area that I think is hurting the
28:19
Eagles the most now. But there's really no moves I
28:22
think how we can or is gonna make it this moment.
28:25
But Dallas Goddard was out of practice Wednesday with a
28:29
knee injury. And if it's severe, if he don't practice today,
28:33
if he doesn't practice Friday, and it looks like he's
28:35
not gonna play, Adam I you know, you're talking about
28:38
now a rushing offense that's without its best blocker at
28:42
tight end by far, because they don't have, as we
28:44
talked about many times, another Goddart like player, even Goddart light.
28:48
Somebody can go out there and block well at the
28:51
tight end position.
28:52
Speaker 4: Right.
28:52
Speaker 1: So you got Landon Dickerson, who did practice, but we
28:55
know he's been in and out of games.
28:56
Speaker 4: He's got limited. He didn't take all traps right.
28:59
Speaker 1: Right, limited, So that's that's already on your radar. You
29:02
didn't run the ball very well against the Cowboys. No
29:04
Ben van z Rumer in, No Johnny Wilson, who was
29:07
a big part of your blocking.
29:08
Speaker 2: Out of eleven personnel.
29:10
Speaker 1: If Goddard doesn't play, it's not gloom and doom. They
29:13
certainly won a lot of games last year without him.
29:15
Speaker 2: But this is not the same well, it is the
29:18
same offense.
29:18
Speaker 1: But again you know Johnny Wilson, No Ben van s
29:20
Rumer in, Landon Dickerson beat up Cam Jurgens. Greg Cosel
29:24
told us did not play very well against the Cowboys.
29:29
Speaker 2: You gotta worry about your rushing offense there.
29:32
Speaker 4: And I think you said this, Uh Barklay had to
29:36
earn his yards, man, he had he had some where
29:39
you go, Well, he got that on his own. That
29:41
was not block well. They did not have a good game,
29:43
and we was not not even remotely close to their
29:45
standard overall as an offensive line. So we'll see. You
29:49
have to see what happens. This is it's concerning. He
29:53
is an athletic white tight end. Got Her. I mean honestly,
29:55
he plays the position too, which is the the F
29:58
is the guy you'll you'll you'll notice where when Granted
30:02
comes in, he'll be right behind god Her because he
30:03
can't play in line. That's the F position, which is
30:07
very popular. But Goddard is just so valuable by the
30:11
way to the run game in a major way. He's
30:14
I mean, he was. The thing about him is at
30:17
South Dakota State, he really did him block much at
30:19
all and apparently, like the word coming from the coaching
30:23
staff was in twenty eighteen, he got in there and
30:25
they're like, wow, we didn't see this on tape. He
30:27
was really good immediately as a blocker.
30:30
Speaker 2: Yep.
30:30
Speaker 4: So you take him out of line of if that happens,
30:32
we'll see. We'll see what today and tomorrow look like.
30:36
I know Andrew brought up to us we were texting.
30:38
He says, watch out for cam lawtu possibly.
30:41
Speaker 2: How funny is this?
30:42
Speaker 1: Right on Tuesday, Kevin Petullo was asked about what are
30:47
you gonna do? You know, even this is before even
30:49
Goddard's not practiced, right, He's just saying, what are you
30:51
gonna do for depth to tight end here and without
30:55
losing your fullback? And he says, oh, we got guys,
30:57
and he mentioned cam Latu. Right on Wednesday, Caim Latsu
31:01
comes out and he's no longer wearing a number in
31:04
the eighties, but he's wearing like thirty eight, which is
31:06
like a vinted fullback.
31:08
Speaker 4: Well, he was forty what forty nine, forty nine forty nine.
31:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, now went from one to another. But
31:14
now he's really got a fullback number.
31:16
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny because I know people are gonna start
31:17
to because fans love to conflate anything. Yeah, they're gonna
31:20
start thinking he's Van Suomer and no fence. Kim lat too.
31:24
Bother way was drafted where Ben was not. But there's
31:27
there's third reasons for it. Yeah, Loto is a third
31:32
round pick. But understand something Van Sumer had elite hands,
31:36
no fence to cam lat two. I know he's a
31:38
third round pick Ben the specially he doesn't cam Latsu
31:43
does not move like Ben did before this knee injury.
31:45
Second injury, seriously injury in two years. But I know
31:48
they're gonna run with it because he now he's gone
31:50
to forty nine and they're gonna say, oh, he'll replace him. Okay,
31:53
whatever you say. Okay, yeah, well I'll tell you I
31:56
still want to do it to play tight end to block.
31:58
Speaker 1: I watched every single Kylon Grants and snap against the
32:02
Cowboys because they did have to play him more on
32:04
offense after with Ben van Zumer and out, and they
32:07
lined him up in multiple positions. We've said he's an
32:10
h BAC type. Well, they lined up up h back,
32:12
line him up a tight end, line him up in
32:14
some fullback like I mean he was behind the or
32:16
in front of the running back in a crouch position,
32:18
and then he also lined up as detached tight end.
32:21
But in most of the times that he was on
32:23
the field, they still didn't really go in his direction
32:26
and he didn't have to make a lead block or
32:29
a key block. He was just kind of out there
32:31
to be out there. So you can tell that that
32:34
was not it doesn't seem like that's the direction obviously
32:37
you go to. With Godard out as you just play
32:39
Kylin Grantson more. They're gonna have to just figure things
32:42
out and get creative with their personnel packages when they
32:44
want to run.
32:45
Speaker 4: Well law too. By the way, so he's on the
32:48
practice squad, soho's got three call ups? Yep, Let's say
32:50
he's the guy that they call up Saturday. You would
32:55
think they would do because kal Katara did not have
32:57
a good game blocking. You know, we'll be nice about it.
33:00
This has been a challenge for him. Grantson's not an
33:03
in line blocker. You might as well try a lot too.
33:06
You could always go six offensive linemen. A lot of
33:09
teams do that when it when they're struggling finding a
33:12
hy tight end. There's there's a setting in coaching when
33:16
you final why you stick with him and you don't
33:18
move off of him. It's it's why John Bates Washington's
33:21
ted end. Most people don't know who he is. He
33:23
got paid a ton of money to be a in
33:25
line blocker. It's how the guy.
33:28
Speaker 1: I know you're talking about you, I know who you're
33:30
about to say, guys right, Nick Boyle.
33:34
Speaker 4: Nick Boyle made a bleepload of money. Is a y
33:36
tight end. My favorite old time story is Daniel Grahen
33:39
was the first round pick of the Was it the
33:42
Patriots of the Broncos?
33:43
Speaker 2: I forget I think it was the Patriots.
33:45
Speaker 4: Okay, he was a super athletic Titan. I saw at
33:49
the senior ball. He became one of the highest paid
33:53
at tight ends in the NFL. During his day, he
33:57
would he just was. He wouldn't run routes hardly. It
33:59
was he became an inline blocker. And the really cool
34:03
story is the kid with Josh Oliver Okay, super athletic
34:08
tight end San Jose State. He was a bust for
34:12
the Ravens. They excuse me for the Jaguars. It just
34:15
didn't happen for them. He never contributed. He was He's
34:18
probably put on twenty five or thirty pounds, probably twenty five.
34:21
He's now one of the best blocking tight ends in
34:23
national football. Like he's over two sixty. Yeah, it's just
34:27
that's look, you never really know, you just when you
34:30
find it's why, oh God, who's the guy? I could
34:35
see him in front of me. Oh uh. Gary Barnage,
34:38
the guy that's deep flipball coach at Cleveland who came
34:40
out of the blow John he was the y ten end,
34:43
but they had no one who could catch the football,
34:44
so John made him there. He kind of just used him.
34:48
He'd always been just an inline blocker. John throwing the football.
34:52
You never know, but why tight ends are there to
34:54
block generally? And do John Bates to move this back
34:57
to you, John Bates has made a hell of a
34:59
lot of mine for being a really good blocker. And
35:01
you don't let those guys go when you find them.
35:03
Jack Stall Jack Still's going to play in the league
35:05
ten years. I'm telling you that he might be a
35:07
third string tight end, doesn't matter. He can block.
35:09
Speaker 2: In fact, I think he's on the fifty three now
35:11
for the Saints. Yeah.
35:13
Speaker 4: I wonder if they got wise to them. I wonder
35:15
if they got Wyse to the you know, no wonder.
35:19
Speaker 1: There's no question in my mind that they signed him
35:21
to the fifty three because they were trying to they
35:23
were worried about approaching.
35:24
Speaker 4: Oh of course there Kellen Moore, Hello.
35:28
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, that was a smart move by them.
35:31
Speaker 1: All right, So that that's the injury situation and we'll
35:34
just have to see what cause. And Jelex Hunt is
35:37
on the He was a limited participant Wednesday with a hip,
35:40
so we'll monitor that as well. We'll talk about the
35:44
matchup they got coming up. Just a little injury info
35:46
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Jackson got picked on. It's been a big week for him.
37:08
Everybody's asking about his job security.
37:09
Speaker 2: I'll tell you this. You play in the Chiefs.
37:12
Speaker 1: They don't have Rashi, Rice and zaf You're worthy. Is
37:15
dealing with this dislocated shoulder. That makes that That's an
37:18
indication to me that's gonna be very, very tough to
37:20
get him on the field.
37:21
Speaker 4: It would, it would. We'll have a really good update.
37:24
I have a pretty have some pretty good intel on him.
37:27
It turned out to be a little better than they thought.
37:32
But it's right now. They're not going to put him
37:36
an IR. It could always change their mind. I'd be
37:39
stunned if he plays this week. I mean I'd be stunned.
37:41
I agree with you, but they we'll talk more about
37:45
this with Greg. So their big initiative at offenses to
37:48
get the ball down field. They had. They hit some
37:50
shot plays, but Hollywood Brown still average on her ten
37:53
yards for cash against the Chargers it was kind of
37:56
an odd game. Yep Worthy got hurt in the within
38:00
the first couple of minutes of the game. But you know,
38:03
hot it's strangest. Hollywood did have a forty nine yard
38:05
play Taekwon Thorn, who could run he had he had
38:10
a thirty eight yarder.
38:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a nice corner route.
38:12
Speaker 4: That was a great right right, That was a great play.
38:15
But man, it's they're still a little bit compressed. They're
38:19
trying though they the last year because they got their
38:21
line was the tray Smith's is an absolute stud but
38:25
and the center is great. But left tackle is a
38:28
problem last season, and that's sumatea kid who was directed
38:31
to be left tackles playing at guard. Well, have to
38:33
see if that works out.
38:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
38:35
Speaker 1: I talked to somebody who in the league who saw
38:37
the game or either watch the tape or saw the game,
38:39
and said that it wasn't pretty.
38:42
Speaker 2: Still, you know, it may not have been. It wasn't terrible.
38:44
Speaker 1: The chief scored a decent amount of points, but he
38:46
said they're still struggling on the left side. Would you
38:49
can imagine they're playing a rookie left tackle, a second
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year left guard who was a tackle in college and
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didn't cut it last year as a rookie.
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Speaker 2: So I mean it's it's gonna be a work in progress.
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Speaker 1: They still scored points because they're the chief but you know,
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it's it's harder for them to do accomplish what they
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want as far as having a downfield presence. If Worthy
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is not in there and Rice isn't it it's just
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just personnel. I mean, you were relying on Juju Smith, Schuster,
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Markis Brown and Taekwon Thornton.
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Speaker 2: That's just not the normal Chief stand.
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Speaker 4: That would be a and in very aging. Travis Kelcey,
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Yeah he is. He's near the end. No Gray is
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there is his backup. It's a pretty athletic tight end.
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Jared Wiley unfortunate tours ACL last year as a fourth rounder.
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He would be their wide tight end, but he's not
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ready yet. He's he's on the roster, but they had
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him in active last week, right, And just just the
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one note defensively I would give you if you're going
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to beat the Chiefs, you've got to go after the
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corners like the Eagles did in the Super Bowl. That
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is the recipe for beating them. Mc duffy's really good,
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but he's not the biggest guy in the world. Christian
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Fulton is just okay. He's been inconsistent in his career.
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Javin Watson is a guy that you can beat. Connor
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sort of their nickel, depending on how they want to
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use McDuffie. They're good at safety, but they're a very
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beatable secondary. But their front's good. The coach really well,
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you know about Chris Jones, Carlottos and power and who
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got a big contract. Mike Dann has been an underrated player.
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So they're they're talented. But as we saw in the
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Super Bowl, a lot of those guys are back and
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Spats put the new defroensive front end where they're gonna
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they were gonna take away Barkley. Oh they took away Barkley,
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so you know hearts love that. Let's go deep and
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that's what they did.
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Speaker 2: That's what they did. All right, great stuff.
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Speaker 1: That's about all weekn We just gave you a ton
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of stuff on all the transactions, all the injuries, all
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the trades and everything like that. But we got more
40:37
coming up this week, a lot more content and Inside
40:39
the Birds and of course Inside the Birds pregame show
40:42
with myself Adam and Greg Cosel.
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Speaker 2: That should be up by Friday night Saturday morning.
40:47
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40:49
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