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An hour with Former Congressman Brad Wenstrup 7/10/2026 · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: It's seven oh six. It's Friday. Happy Friday everybody, and
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  Speaker 1: especially happy, I hope for you, but certainly for me
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  Speaker 1: seeing former Congressman brad Winstrop in studio across from me
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  Speaker 1: and ready to take on a whole lot of issues,
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  Speaker 1: important ones. They are welcome back, Brad. It's a pleasure
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  Speaker 1: to have you here, my friend.
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  Speaker 2: Always my pleasure, Brian.
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  Speaker 1: And initial congratulations. I understand the Hudson Institute. We have
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  Speaker 1: brig Him A Gowan on regularly about energy policy, and
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  Speaker 1: he has been with the Hudson Insuit for quite some time.
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  Speaker 1: You've been invited to join the Hudson Institute. What what
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  Speaker 1: capacity will you be working?
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  Speaker 2: I am a non resident fellow, so it's.
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  Speaker 1: Means you don't have to live there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have to live there, which is the whole
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  Speaker 2: point of me coming home from Congress, right, you go.
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  Speaker 2: It was time to be home with my kids on
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  Speaker 2: a regular basis. You know, we used to travel back
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  Speaker 2: and forth together, but they got older.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, so what what kind of research or work
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  Speaker 1: will you be doing?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's you know, they're they're very strong on foreign
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  Speaker 2: policy and military and defense and things like that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's your wheelhouse right now.
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  Speaker 2: It really is, and especially the Indo Pacific. That's an
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  Speaker 2: area that I covered on the Intelligence Committee.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, well, you always had defense in your and when
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  Speaker 1: you were in elected capacity, and you still continue in
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  Speaker 1: that in that realm. But let us pivot over to
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  Speaker 1: something else. You were very integrally involved with COVID nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: remember that you heard about You heard about it, didn't you.
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  Speaker 1: So initially it's how do we protect ourselves? Right that
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  Speaker 1: we were reacting to this new disease. It's the pandemic.
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  Speaker 1: We're all going to die, so the health response is immediate.
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  Speaker 1: Then it is figuring out where this came from, the
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  Speaker 1: origin kind of thing, and of course back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: All it came from a cave, it was a bad
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  Speaker 1: it mutated in nature, and then the other one, which
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  Speaker 1: obviously seemed more logical to vast majority of us, which
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  Speaker 1: know it was created in a lab. And that's when
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  Speaker 1: we found out that they were actually doing gain of
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  Speaker 1: function research. And these these labs out in the world,
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  Speaker 1: not just in China apparently, as we've later learned, they're
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  Speaker 1: apparently everywhere, but the Wuhan Institute of Virology is the
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  Speaker 1: one that's working with its gain of function research and
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  Speaker 1: using bats and other animals and the like from nature
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  Speaker 1: and mutating them intentionally. So ultimately, the I guess the
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  Speaker 1: CIA was charged with trying to figure out where the
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  Speaker 1: virus came from because ultimately we led us to this whistleblower.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I want to kind of build up
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  Speaker 2: to that whistleblower if I could, because you know, personal
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  Speaker 2: experience when this thing first started. You know, I'm concerned.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a pandemic on our hands. You know, people
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  Speaker 2: are dying. But as a doctor, I'm on the phone
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  Speaker 2: with another doctor from Ohio and we're doing research together
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  Speaker 2: because we're all in quarantine anyway, right and we're finding
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things. But we were looking at, you know,
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  Speaker 2: how do we treat this? He even called infectious disease
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  Speaker 2: doctors in China like what's working. But not only that,
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  Speaker 2: we didn't know how to diagnose it. There was no test.
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  Speaker 2: We were looking at what changes in their blood work,
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  Speaker 2: looking at CT scans of the lungs, things like that.
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  Speaker 2: But our goal at that point, Brian, was to save lives.
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  Speaker 2: Then we did start looking at the origins, Well, where
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  Speaker 2: did this come from? Anyway? Right, because if you don't
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  Speaker 2: know that, it makes it more difficult to really address
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  Speaker 2: the whole situation. But as we discovered more and more things,
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  Speaker 2: then we started looking at the cover up, the cover right,
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  Speaker 2: not only by China but within our own country. And
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  Speaker 2: you find things like an article from twenty twelve where
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  Speaker 2: doctor Fauci is asked about gain to function research and
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  Speaker 2: he's glowing about it. He loves it. And somebody even
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  Speaker 2: asked him could it get out of the lab and
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  Speaker 2: cause a pandemic? And he said, the benefits outweigh the risk.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I had the honor and opportunity to
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  Speaker 2: chair the Select Subcommittee on the coronavirus pandemic. People can
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  Speaker 2: go online and find our report Majority Report, Select Subcommittee
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  Speaker 2: Coronavirus Pandemic that's unclassified. Okay, we had even more with
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  Speaker 2: the classified side from Intelligence Committee. So I had the
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  Speaker 2: opportunity to have both of those assets in front of me.
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  Speaker 1: And because you had a security clearance, you're allowed to
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  Speaker 1: see the stuff that we weren't allowed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, wash and yeah. And that goes to another thing
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  Speaker 2: that while I was in there, and Biden issued the
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  Speaker 2: ninety day commission for all the intelligence communities, separately to
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  Speaker 2: why separately, I don't know, but separately investigate the origins
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  Speaker 2: of COVID. And we get this brief and it's a
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  Speaker 2: horrible brief. It was just like one agency thought this,
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  Speaker 2: another agency thought that, and you know they're all leaning
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  Speaker 2: towards nature. And I asked the question and hearing, well,
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  Speaker 2: who'd you talk to? And he said, it's our policy
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  Speaker 2: not to tell you. And I reminded him that this
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  Speaker 2: is our government. We're the representatives of the people whose
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  Speaker 2: government it is, and you don't have that right to
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  Speaker 2: do that. And I eventually got the information, but not
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  Speaker 2: until we withheld money from the intelligence community did I
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  Speaker 2: get the information of who they talked to, and not
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  Speaker 2: by name, but by specialty. So I did get that,
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  Speaker 2: and it was FBI who was doing most of the work.
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  Speaker 2: They were actually dealing with with virologists where others were not.
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  Speaker 2: And the whole thing FAUCI excluded doctor Redfield, who was
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  Speaker 2: CDC director and a virologist. So anyway, you go back
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  Speaker 2: to what was going on, Well, this group EcoHealth Alliance,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Peter daz It goes over to DoD Department of
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  Speaker 2: Defense at the time, downl DARPA, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency,
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  Speaker 2: and he wants to do gain a function research describes
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  Speaker 2: exactly how we know COVID nineteen could be made today
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  Speaker 2: with the process. You take a bat, you take receptor
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  Speaker 2: binding domains from other animals. You mix these things up
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  Speaker 2: and try to create a new pathogen. The idea was
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  Speaker 2: in case this ever happen in nature, will be ready
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  Speaker 2: because what doctor Faugi had in mind from the beginning
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  Speaker 2: is we can if we can create this in the
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  Speaker 2: lab theoretically safely, then we create the vaccine. We'll be
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  Speaker 2: ready for anything. Well, anyway, DARPA says, no way, that's
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  Speaker 2: too too risky, too dangerous. You're not going over to Wuhan,
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  Speaker 2: China to do this. They go over to NIH with
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  Speaker 2: doctor Fauci. He signs off on it, and when he
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  Speaker 2: testifies he says, well, I don't know what it's for.
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  Speaker 2: I just sign them because somebody else already approves him,
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  Speaker 2: and I sign him. Oh really, Well, who's responsible? Well,
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  Speaker 2: you know they did. They weren't doing their job, they
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  Speaker 2: weren't doing their homework, they weren't submitting their research back
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  Speaker 2: to ni h. I asked if a flag goes up,
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  Speaker 2: he said, that's over. In compliance. I have no nothing
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  Speaker 2: to do with washed his hands. At one point he
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  Speaker 2: said he was always open, you know, to it being
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  Speaker 2: nature or lab, but he never talked to anybody who
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  Speaker 2: talked about it coming from the lab.
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  Speaker 1: And this is congressional testimony.
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  Speaker 2: This is yeah, this is on record.
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  Speaker 1: You can get and where we're going with this.
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  Speaker 2: And he says at one point, well, I get billions
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  Speaker 2: of dollars in research. I can't know what's in him. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you know what the taxpayers wish somebody did, and so
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  Speaker 2: that we knew what we're doing. And I give Jay
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  Speaker 2: Bodicheria and Secretary Kennedy a lot of credit for what
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  Speaker 2: they're doing and cleaning that up. But anyway, so they're
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  Speaker 2: what we found is we had scientists with clear conflicts
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  Speaker 2: of interest because they were the very scientists that get
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  Speaker 2: research dollars from NIH and do things like gain of
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  Speaker 2: function research, so they don't want to say it came
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  Speaker 2: from the lab.
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  Speaker 1: These are the hands selected entities that Fauci picked to
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  Speaker 1: do a report on that saying basically that it came
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  Speaker 1: from a cave in nature.
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  Speaker 2: That is exactly right.
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  Speaker 1: That was contrary to the reports from the various scientists
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  Speaker 1: who had looked at it and said, no, it looks
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  Speaker 1: like it came from a lab. So the dominant theory
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  Speaker 1: or dominant position from those that had been consulted before
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  Speaker 1: Fauci shows up with his hand selected group said lab
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  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, I want to ask you that he here,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to take care of this. Gets his hand
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  Speaker 1: selected group, folks who were recipients of grants of funding
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  Speaker 1: and research, who obviously be inclined to do whatever the hell,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Fauci says, they come up with a new one
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  Speaker 1: and said, no, it looks more like it came from nature.
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  Speaker 2: They even said in their private emails, this thing looks engineered,
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  Speaker 2: but our focus is to disprove the lab leak theory.
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  Speaker 2: And they put out.
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  Speaker 1: This charge was to disprove the lab leak.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly by doctor Fauci. The Bethesda boys, they called him.
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  Speaker 2: What's Bethesda, That's where nih is in Bethesda, Maryland. Doctor Fauci.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Collins led this team and doctor Fauci takes their report,
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  Speaker 2: goes on the White House lawn and says, we just
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  Speaker 2: got this in from these brilliant scientists. They always came
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  Speaker 2: from nature, and I don't believe at the time the
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  Speaker 2: President Trump or Vice President Pence had any idea he
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  Speaker 2: was going to come out and say that there, and
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  Speaker 2: he just went up to the microphone and said it
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  Speaker 2: all right, alaus up. Continue.
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  Speaker 1: The cover up continues, or at least as initiated right there.
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  Speaker 1: My question to you when we come back, why why
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  Speaker 1: was he so hell bent on disproving the lab League
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  Speaker 1: theory to what I mean, obviously it would complicate relations
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  Speaker 1: with the Chinese Communist Party the extent we actually have
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  Speaker 1: any real relations. But what nefarious reason was behind doctor
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  Speaker 1: Fauci's ultimately just lying to us all flat out seven
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  Speaker 1: fifteen right now, if you have Carecity Talks agent, it's
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  Speaker 1: seven nineteen on a Friday, and a happy one to you.
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  Speaker 1: Brian Thomas a former Congressman brad winstrip who did a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the work behind looking into the COVID nineteen
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  Speaker 1: situation broadly. And so we moved from you know, trying
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  Speaker 1: to protect American health to where did this come from?
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  Speaker 1: To then the cover up, the denial that it came
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  Speaker 1: from a lab which was the person behind that clearly
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  Speaker 1: was Anthony Fauci. So the answer to the question is
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  Speaker 1: what why would he be so anxious to suggest and
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  Speaker 1: force the narrative that it came from a cave and
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  Speaker 1: not from the cot the Wuhan Institute Virology.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go back to his initial ideas in
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  Speaker 2: twenty ten, twenty eleven, twenty twelve, you know he wanted
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  Speaker 2: to be the hero in my mind. Okay, this is
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  Speaker 2: me talking. Now, we can create this in the lab
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  Speaker 2: and predict what might come from nature, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: I think AI could do a pretty good job of
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  Speaker 2: that just by knowing what's out there. But anyway, a
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  Speaker 2: good use for AHI, right, there are some Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: he felt that if we did this, then I create
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  Speaker 2: the vaccine. I'm the hero. I saw a lot of vaccines.
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  Speaker 2: There's all these aryl caause me.
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  Speaker 1: The narcissism just built into that statement, just made that
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  Speaker 1: I created this. He didn't create Jack Squat. He's not
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  Speaker 1: doing research. He's not generating research papers.
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  Speaker 2: Now, nor did he stand over any COVID pagient.
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  Speaker 1: He took taxpayer dollars and was given the responsibility for
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  Speaker 1: allocating money to others who did that work through research grants.
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  Speaker 1: He was a grantor of money.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was. He's the puppet master, that's that's
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  Speaker 2: for sure. And you look at him putting together the
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  Speaker 2: group that put out the article that say it came
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  Speaker 2: from from nature. So why would he do this? Well,
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  Speaker 2: how many millions of people died? Brian? I mean, so
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  Speaker 2: you want to be held responsible through history as a
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  Speaker 2: person who put together the template to create a virus
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  Speaker 2: has killed millions of people. There's blood on your hands. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and your whole little regime can start breaking up. Right,
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  Speaker 2: You've had this thing. Highest paid person in the governments.
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  Speaker 2: We've always heard, you know, come on, what is going on?
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  Speaker 2: And the respect used to be there. Let's let's not
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  Speaker 2: kid ourselves, but this is this is beyond And remember
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  Speaker 2: even President Obama put a pause on.
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  Speaker 1: This, but their function research.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but there was a clause that you know, a
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  Speaker 2: government employee could change that. And I guess he was
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  Speaker 2: the one. I'm not exactly sure, but either way, he
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  Speaker 2: got this. He got this done, and he got it
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  Speaker 2: done with Eco Health Alliance, and you start to see
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  Speaker 2: some of the nefarious behavior going on. David Morin's one
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  Speaker 2: of his chief debts at EASE has been indicted. Why
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  Speaker 2: because he put in his own emails write me on
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  Speaker 2: my Gmail when talking to EcoHealth Alliance, write me on
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  Speaker 2: my Gmail because these blankety blanks are foying me freedom
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  Speaker 2: of information to get my emails, and I'll delete anything
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  Speaker 2: I don't want in The New York Times tells you
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  Speaker 2: right there, they're hiding things, they're covering things up. And
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  Speaker 2: so he's been indicted and there will be others to follow.
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  Speaker 2: I know that they're on that, and DOJ is finally
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  Speaker 2: doing something. Nothing was happening during the Biden administration when
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  Speaker 2: we did discover things like this. So what goes on
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  Speaker 2: on further than Brian is not only was this cover
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  Speaker 2: up you know, taking place within like doctor Fauci and
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  Speaker 2: his little team. This was going on. So we had
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  Speaker 2: whistleblowers come in who put forth analysis of how COVID
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  Speaker 2: could have been made in the lab. This is early
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  Speaker 2: on within their particular agency. Someone there told them, don't
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  Speaker 2: talk to FBI anymore because they've gone off the reservation.
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  Speaker 2: FBI did more work than anybody I've discovered, and they
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  Speaker 2: were doing the work with virologists. They came up and
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  Speaker 2: said this came from the lab. That was their conclusion.
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  Speaker 1: The separate entities that were charged with looking into their
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  Speaker 1: own they separated, like you said earlier, why they didn't
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  Speaker 1: work together, you didn't know, but individually they were charged
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  Speaker 1: with looking into the origin. Yes, and the FBI concluded
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  Speaker 1: without really much hesitation that it was a lab exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And the others they were told, don't talk to them.
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  Speaker 2: You know, basically what we he was saying, we're going
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  Speaker 2: with nature. Okay, that's the narrative. And this probably has
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  Speaker 2: gone on for years within our intelligence agencies, where they're like,
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  Speaker 2: this is the narrative, we're going with. We know what's
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  Speaker 2: best for the country, right. They think the truth isn't
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  Speaker 2: always the best for the country, unfortunately, and they've got
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  Speaker 2: so much and they've kept things from Congress. But we've
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  Speaker 2: started a new trend, I can tell you on Intelligence Committee,
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  Speaker 2: because when I started, it was more like, Oh, tell
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  Speaker 2: us the cool stuff you're doing too. We're being involved
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  Speaker 2: and we have oversight.
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  Speaker 1: Over you, and you're met with this this wall of obstruction.
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  Speaker 1: And even the whistleblower, who talked about this very topic said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I was looking in going in. I was
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  Speaker 1: charged with looking into the entire investigative process how we
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  Speaker 1: got from there to hear and he did. He blew
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  Speaker 1: the whistle, released all the information about Fauci's manipulation of
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  Speaker 1: the of where it came from, but also the fact
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  Speaker 1: that he had the ability to and was charged with
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  Speaker 1: getting documents and information. The CIA just collectively raised its
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  Speaker 1: finger and said, no, we're not giving you the documents.
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  Speaker 1: We're not giving you anything. And the idea is that
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  Speaker 1: they knew they could just run out the clock. The
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  Speaker 1: Trump administration's going to be around for four years period,
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  Speaker 1: end of story. We can drag our feet long enough
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  Speaker 1: to get it into the next administration and then it'll
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  Speaker 1: disappear as a topic of conversation.
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  Speaker 2: And this is why the actions have been swift of eight,
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  Speaker 2: because we know there's only so much time to do
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  Speaker 2: these things before they bury it. I mean, I go
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  Speaker 2: back to what we had on Intelligence Committee, and Adam
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  Speaker 2: Shift's conclusion was, Oh, it's all water under the bridge,
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  Speaker 2: let it go, Let it go.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and real quick before we take a break.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of people are probably saying that right now,
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  Speaker 1: why are we still talking about this, Why does it matter?
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  Speaker 2: Well, somebody said, people are burned out on COVID. You
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  Speaker 2: know that they're burned out on talking about COVID. This
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  Speaker 2: is what a lot of the media says. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we don't want to talk about it anymore. People are
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  Speaker 2: you know what, they're not burned out about. They're not
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  Speaker 2: burned out on hearing about their government life.
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  Speaker 1: Lying to them. Amen, brother, I'm glad you put it
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  Speaker 1: that way, because that's my default position.
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  Speaker 2: That's what this is about.
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  Speaker 1: Now, going back to my comment about the unwashed masses,
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  Speaker 1: don't tell me I can't get the information I pay
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  Speaker 1: for it. Don't tell me that. I mean, maybe, if
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  Speaker 1: it's a matter of fact, serious secrecy, like some complex
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  Speaker 1: coding that works missiles and rockets you don't want to
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  Speaker 1: get out in the world. Fine, But in so far
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  Speaker 1: as information like this, why wouldn't the American people go
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  Speaker 1: to get it? Why? And people charged with investigating it,
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  Speaker 1: who have the authority and power to get the documents
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  Speaker 1: and information, can't even get it themselves. That's red flag
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  Speaker 1: time and that should be a dominant topic of conversation.
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  Speaker 2: And are we prepared for the next one? No, we
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  Speaker 2: are not, or.
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  Speaker 1: All of the other ones independent of COVID nineteen where
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  Speaker 1: they're doing the same damn thing. Hold on, we'll bring
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  Speaker 1: him back for a lot more conversation seven twenty six,
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  Speaker 1: Right now at fifty five KRCD Talk Station seven thirty
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  Speaker 1: fifty five KRCD talk Station, Happy Friday. Brian Thomas with
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  Speaker 1: former congress from brad Winstrop. He was on the scenes
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  Speaker 1: throughout the entire COVID nineteen situation, and we are following
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  Speaker 1: up with the cover up here and the lab league
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  Speaker 1: cover up. Of course, Anthony Fauci was held bent on
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  Speaker 1: convincing the world that it came from a cave. COVID nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: a mutation happened naturally. We know now that was a lie.
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  Speaker 1: We know all the folks around him predominantly knew that
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: it came from a lab, at least told him that
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: reports about it. The FBI concluded that independently, and yet
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Fauci shows up and says, nope, I'm gonna have my
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: folks look at at my folks being the hand selected
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: researchers who who got grants from doctor Fauci and came
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: up with a different conclusion, not that it was a
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: lean lab. They leaned toward naturally occurring, didn't they, Because
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: the report that the Fauci folks released didn't conclusively say
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: it happened in nature, It just leaned that direction potentially
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: from a lab but we really believed, to really believe
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: it came from nature or something of that fact. That's
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: what I recall the whistleblowers.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well they didn't really give any credence to a
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: Lablik theory, even except in their private conversations. But the
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: article proximal Origins was explained how it could came from nature,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: and Fauci went on the White House lawn and said,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: you know, these brilliant scientists have figured this out. It
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: came from nature. So you know, we we have them
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: going in that direction for a variety of motives, but
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: all the forensics, actual forensics were on the other side.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: And then you have people coming forward saying, if you're
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: saying Lablique, you know you're going in the wrong direction.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: And so we even had the reports of its CIA
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: where they were looking at it, and they had a
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: panel of seven people, as reported, and six out of
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: seven said that they think it came from the lab.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: But then senior executives came in and told them, we're
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: going to go with we can't conclude, so they just
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: went with nothing. But we also, this is where we
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: get into the Gabbard report and saying that doctor Fauci
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: lied under oath, So they said Fauci's direct role in
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: influencing and manipulating IC assessments on COVID nineteen, and how
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Fauci lied to Congress in twenty twenty four when under
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: oath he denied knowledge of or participation in discussion with
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: intelligence sufficients about viral research. And if you look at
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: the testimony, when he was asked that question, do you
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: talk to intelligence it's about viral research? He says no,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: and then a little later he says, well, I don't recall. Yeah,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: it was classic.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I'm sure these favorite lawyer response. You tell your client,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I don't recall something could refresh your recollection, don't deny outright,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I don't recall. Well here there's a document. Does this
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: serve to refresh your recollection?
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I do recall that. Yeah.
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: Well, we did went through the same thing with Cuomo
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: on the nursing home stuff. Yeah, you know, it was denial.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: And then when we had evidence that he did participate
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: in this one report, then he and he said he
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: didn't recall. So this is what we're dealing with across
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: you know, the country, and it's just really unfortunate and
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: media doesn't seem to want to cover it. So I'm
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: always glad to have the opportunity to come in here
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: with you, Brian Thomas, to talk about these things, so
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: at least some part of America gets to hear what's
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: actually going on.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, you know, my favorite pattern observer is
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: out there listening to this. She's always intrigued by this
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and has been following this COVID nineteen thing very very
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: very closely. Maureen, good morning. Answer this question, because I
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: don't know that I too. I don't think she was satisfied.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I am satisfied that this gain
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: of function, research and all the work through to behind
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the scenes was done. So, you know, doctor FAUCIVI allowed
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: it as a hero in the event something mutates in
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: nature many years you know, fast forward. Now we've got
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the answer right here. It's already done. There's maybe some
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: perhaps military purpose behind having these viruses developed in a
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: lab somewhere. I mean, that's been going on since we
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: discovered the idea of using those types of weapons like
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: in World War One, mustard gas and like chemical weapons.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Now we have biological weapons, and that has been around
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: for a long time. How about this, was it intentionally
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: released from the lab and on the world, because some
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: think that maybe it was so so they can interfere
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: with the twenty twenty elections. Mareene, good morning.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. My conclusion it was not intentionally released, that it
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: was actuis dental and I can't go there's other things
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: that well.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: The fact see, the genesis of the release was in
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the neighborhood of the Wuhuan Institute Virology. The Chinese if
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: they intentionally released it would not want that to be
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the footprint for the origin of the global spread. If
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: they intentionally released it, they probably would have gone that
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: like Montreal or something far removed.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: You would think. But let me just say too, there's
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: more than one lab in Wuhan, China, Okay. So, and
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: what's open source is they've talked about coronaviruses as bioweapons
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: as early as two thousand and three, and they even
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: wrote a book in twenty fifteen about it. It's not secret,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: and it's from their Academy of Military Medical Sciences. So
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: a lot going on in China through all this. But
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: now we've got this cover up within in our own country.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: You know, I never saw the Biden administration critical of
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: China for really about anything. His son has a harden
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: for whatever crimes he may have converted over the years, and.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: All the ones we don't know about, because we know
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: about a lot of.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Them, but we do know, you know that where was
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: his son. You know, he's going on trips with his
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: dad to China. He's dealing with getting money from Ukraine
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and Russia and China.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: And so maybe that's the reason we didn't want to
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: ruin that cozy relationship the Biden administration had developed with
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the Chinese. We cannot say that the Chinese had really
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: any negligence or fault in connection with the COVID nineteen virus.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: The easiest way to do that is say it came
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: from a cave.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Well, Joe Biden said as he left office when he
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: gave pardons twenty minutes before he was out of office,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: one of the things he said is with Donald Trump,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: the country's going to be ruled by oligarchs. Well, the
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: one thing I'll say, if Trump is working with oligarchs,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: they're American oligarchs. It seems that Biden family seemed to
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: want to deal with oligarch in adversarial nations from China
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: to Ukraine, which if you if you're in the military,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: you would be out of the military very quickly because
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: you are quite compromised.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Love Worth. Hold on, We'll bring our former congress from
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Winster back, talk about some other topics and maybe put
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: a lid on this one. Maybe. But also you know
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it wasn't suicide by copp how about that? Going back
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: to a topic that you and I have talked about
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: many times over the years, Congressman or former Congressrom Winstrom seven,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: if you have Kanracity Talks station, have you Friday At
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: the top of the our news we're going to be
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: joined by Eric Conroy. He's going to be intent in
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: studio GOP candidate for the first district. We got to
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: beat Greg Lands and we've got to get out and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: vote this November and Eric Conroy's the man to vote for. Please,
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Dear God, we need to control Congress for a lot
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: of reasons. We're learning about today from former Congressman Brad Winster.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Have you wanted to mention a specific article and it's
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: a great article and as well as if you can
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: still find it, the video testimony from you. We called
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: him in a CIA whistleblower, but you set off Mike
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: that No, he's not really a whistleblower anyway. What was
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: the guy's name, bex I forgotten?
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Jim Erdman, and his career is fantastic. He's a great patriot,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you, But he was he was
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: assigned to do the investigation within the by Tulsa Garbert,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: the Director of National Intelligence. But a lot of this
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: is within c i A. That's where he was stationed.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: So he's just looking predominantly at CIA, which, by the way,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Director Burns of c i A, Biden's director, on his
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: way out the door, said we've got new evidence and
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: we believe that COVID came from the LABI. Let me
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: just say that did not surprise me that he that
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: he did that.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, well, maybe he was trying to subtly encourage you
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: to do exactly what you did, which is open an investigation.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Well, we were investigating a lot of things, like you know,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: who was telling people that we're going to go with nature.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: But what this testimony did and you said you watched
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: it on TV in front of the Senate where no
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Democrats came. Why would they not come? He's doing an
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: investigation into the CIA what they did during COVID, and
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: it talks about their cover up, how they retaliated against
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: people that were saying it came from the lab. All
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: of these things, these are evidence. He's got the evidence,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: he's got the emails, he's got the information right there.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: National Review and this is for your listeners. A National
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Review article entitled CIA Whistleblower testifies Fauci's cover up of
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: COVID Lablak origin was intentional. Cover up was intentional. So
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: look it up International Views, CIA whistleblower And that's a
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: really good summary of his time in front of Senator
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Ran Paul in the Senate about what his investigation led to.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: The reason he called himself a whistleblower. You get protections
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: as a whistleblower, but he really was leading an investigation.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: But coming forward as a whistleblower kind of protects him
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: as he goes forward.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: But the investigation is what the investigation was. I mean,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: it's the here's the documents, there's the informations, here's the conclusions.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: It's all factual.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a type of thing like our report. You
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: know I did two years I didn't re mention Republican
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: or Democrat one time. I just presented facts to the
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: American people and to the media who didn't pay much
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: attention to it. We also put in constructively seventeen pages
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: of recommendations so we can be ready for the next pandemic.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate that too.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. And we're trying to act on that.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: I'm still involved, sitting on the President's Intelligence Advisory Board
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: and working with several entities, government and non government. We're
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: driving forward to trying to make some positive things happen
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: to protect the American people.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: That's a good thing. Something positive can come out of it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: Right now if he talks Station Brian Thomas. One more
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: segment here with former crimes from brad Winstor and before
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: we completely wrap up the whole COVID thing at doctor Fauci,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Uhrew Drew Pappas wants to know, Well, why is in
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Fauci being prosecuted? Is it because he got a pardon
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: from from Biden? Yeah, basically blanket pardon for all crimes
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: known and unknown. Yeah, but he can come back in
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and have to test it. By my guess is he
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: would plead the fifth on any of this stuff. So
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: that he wouldn't create a new crime, create a new
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: crime by wing to come under oath.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, so that would be my guess. But I
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: think that you know you right now, Senator Paul is
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: issue is trying to issue a subpoena.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I think he has just to get him on record
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: as to take the frea back in. Yeah, he'll take
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the fifth, There's no question my mind he would do that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you advise that? All right? Yes, I would.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I'm not I've never been a criminal lawyer either. All right,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: real quick, I know you got a a shout out
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: to some mcknick high school students you wanted to praise
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: for their their their patriotic work.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Deale. Yeah, they've been doing this for several years. But
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: it fits in with America too far. You know, the
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: whole reason we have this country is those from the
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Revolutionary War. And there is a cemetery, cemetery down in Columbia,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: tuscalom area east side of Cincinnati along the Ohio River
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: that have been completely run over, cracked headstones, a lot
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: of them, vines growing all over them. And they have
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: been cleaning this up, and they've been doing it for
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: years and I'm looking right now at a picture of
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: John Campbell Continental Army, you know, born seventeen fifty died
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: in eighteen thirty two, and he was a Revolutionary war hero.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: This is amazing. This is such a beautiful thing that
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: they are doing. It's volunteerism at its best and patriotism
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: at its best. And I applaud mcnick. Where I've spoken
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: several times on Veterans Day, they are really into paying
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: respect to those that have served this country, and I
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: I'd love to encourage people to make maybe take a
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: look at this. It's the Fulton Presbyterian Cemetery in the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: industrial area of Columbia, Tusclumba. And that's a gentleman named
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: James Hay He's a Marine Corps veteran. Nimmic Nick I
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: know him well. Uh he's he's led this charge for
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: several years. And they just keep at it. They just
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: get they're digging, they're doing all kinds of stuff. Isn't
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: that a beautiful thing?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: That is a great thing. We should actually ended on that,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: because I do you want to pivot back over? I
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: guess it was cash Mattel finally has fired some folks
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: that were behind the whole idea that the attack on
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: you and other Republicans at the baseball game was not
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: suicide by cop. It was actually a guy with a
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: list of names who he wanted to kill. He had
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: prepared in advance, He had done all the prep work.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: It would have been murder in the first degree had
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: they had to prosecute him.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Well, think about it.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: He finally got fired.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: It's a true insurrection. I mean, if you think about it,
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: if Steve Scalice wasn't there and Capitol police weren't there
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: under cover, so how could it be suicide by cops.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Cops are there. They just didn't want to say that
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: a Democrat was trying to kill Republicans.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: But it would have been the overthrow the government because
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: it would have changed the balance of power in Congress.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: That definitely would more so.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Than a bunch of drunken fraternity party guys running around
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: the Capitol at the June sixth thing, which people called,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you know, the attempt to overthrow the government. This was real.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: That was that was very real. And we did get
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Christopher Ray to change the designation only by embarrassing him publicly,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: publicly during a hearing where even Democrats said yes, Director Ray,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: how what in the world this is obviously an attempt
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: to kill Republicans anyway, but that wasn't enough. They never
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: changed it in their report, and I kept saying, we
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: have oversight. This is either extremely incompetent or intentional, and
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: it was. It was intentional because they didn't want the
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: narrative to be that Democrats are trying to kill Republicans
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: and that are stoked with violence. And so Cash Bettel
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: when he got nominated and he got confirmed, I said, Cash,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: we got to talk about this. I know, Cash, we
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: worked together. He used to serve us on Intelligence Committee
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: and he never stopped either. And he finally fired somebody
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: who had the oversight over that. And I suspect there's
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: more to follow when you dig deeper, because we had
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: about five agents come and tell us this. Yeah, they're
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: the ones who came and said, we concluded suicide by
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: cop and our jaws dropped, you know, as members that
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: were there, you know, and they never they never even
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: really came to us for as witnesses. It was. It
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: was amazing. So good for Cash Ptel, he's on it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I know you have another story there too, where he's
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: he's finding people oh that question. Yeah.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I mean he just he got was getting rid of
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: bad people and one hundred plus spies, people stealing our
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: trade secrets, and sixty two of them Chinese Communist Party members.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Just he kicked out of our country as a consequence
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: of them operating for the Chinese Communist Party as agents
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and stealing vast quantities of data from us. It's going
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: on all over the place.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Well, we can still end positively. I thought the fourth
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: of July was a great opportunity to highlight all the
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: good things that America has done over the two and
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: a half centuries, and I think that there's more to come.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: I'm an optimist, but you know, in this country, we
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: have to as the people whose government it is, we
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: have to stay strong, stay vigilant over those that are
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: supposed to serve us but often end up serving just themselves.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I appreciate your efforts in that regard here in the
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Morning Show today and throughout the year. You're always welcome here,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: my friend. It is a pleasure having you into talk
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: about these very important topics, and we'll do it again,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: hopefully so.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: We will do it. I enjoy the opportunity, Brian, Thank you.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Seven to fifty six. Right now, I think I'm gonna
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: enjoy the opportunity to talk to Eric Conroy, running against
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Creig Lansman. We need to get Eric elected. He'll be
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: in studio to talk about the race for the first district,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: followed by Jack Windsor from Theile Press Network at eight
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: thirty up. You can stick around