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S1E5 - Not the First Time - Murder of Jody Kilgore · Luke's English Podcast

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Speaker 1: In this podcast, we discuss unsolved cases that may be
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Speaker 1: violent in nature in an effort to keep the cases
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Speaker 1: in the public eye and continue the stories of the victims.
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Speaker 1: Those who choose to or choose against participating are not
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Speaker 1: indicative of involvement in any crimes we discuss. Listener discretion
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Speaker 1: is advised. While we likely don't all agree with our
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Speaker 1: thoughts on the person or people who committed this crime,
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Speaker 1: we can certainly all agree that Jody Kilgore was a victim.
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Speaker 1: He was a victim of a horrifying crime that stripped
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Speaker 1: away his opportunity and ability to continue his service to
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Speaker 1: his community and love his family. But what risk factors
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Speaker 1: made him a victim? Today we'll discuss his characteristics and
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Speaker 1: an environments in an effort to determine Jody's victimology profile,
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Speaker 1: as well as dig deeper into rumors and theories. This
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Speaker 1: is Tragedy, a true crime podcast.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, welcome to Tragedy.
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Speaker 3: I'm Michael and I'm Melissa, and we have a couple
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Speaker 3: of updates that we want to talk about before we
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Speaker 3: kick this episode off. To begin with, we have heard
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Speaker 3: from the Sheriff's office now, and that's a great thing.
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Speaker 3: We heard from Captain Sarachi and he let us know
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Speaker 3: that he's got our messages, that he knows about the
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Speaker 3: podcast and that he's looking forward to listening, and that
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Speaker 3: if we have any questions moving forward, he would be
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Speaker 3: a great resource to reach out to.
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Speaker 1: Also heard that they are in good communication with Gladys
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Speaker 1: and had recently just sat down with Gladys in her
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Speaker 1: family to give them some updates about some leads that
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Speaker 1: had come in and some things that they were following.
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Speaker 1: And we also do want to take a moment to
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Speaker 1: apologize that we were saying the captain's name incorrectly. We
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Speaker 1: were saying Siracha like siracha sauce. But after speaking with him,
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Speaker 1: we noticed Sarachi, he's totally under he gets it. He
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Speaker 1: understands it. If you see the way it looks, it
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Speaker 1: doesn't even pronounce that way. And he actually said different
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Speaker 1: parts of his family pronounce it differently. So I think
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Speaker 1: I think we've been given some devices to Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: would agree. Let's refresh on the four motives for murder,
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Speaker 1: the ones that we talked about in the last episode.
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Speaker 1: I remember the four l's I do yes, and those
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Speaker 1: were lust, and love, and loathing, and loot. We're going
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Speaker 1: to come back to those when we refresh and cut
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Speaker 1: check out some of these rumors and theories go a
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Speaker 1: little deeper. But I also want to talk about victimology.
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Speaker 1: So according to a two thousand and seven article by
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Speaker 1: Corolla Dylanberg in the International Journal of Behavior, Consultation and Therapy,
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Speaker 1: victimology is quote a study of why certain people are
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Speaker 1: victims of crime and how lifestyles affect the chances a
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Speaker 1: person will fall victim to a crime. So there's two
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Speaker 1: sides of victimology. There's the positive side, the protective factors
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Speaker 1: what might protect someone from becoming a victim, and then
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Speaker 1: there's the risk factors. So we're going to talk about
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Speaker 1: both of those, but we're going to start with the
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Speaker 1: protective factors specific to Jodi as we know them. So
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Speaker 1: the protective factors are things that serve to protect a
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Speaker 1: person or make them less likely to become a victim
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Speaker 1: of crime, and we have three. There are several protective factors,
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Speaker 1: but when I looked into this and we were talking
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Speaker 1: about it, there were three protective factors that we feel
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Speaker 1: really apply to Jody, things that protect him for being
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Speaker 1: less likely to be a victim.
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Speaker 3: And those are gonna apologize with that sound in the background,
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Speaker 3: that'll be Gary scratching the wall. Hey, buddy, scratching, scratching wall.
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Speaker 2: So anyway, in case I can't filter that out.
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Speaker 1: All right, Protective factor number one and again there are lots,
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Speaker 1: So I just pulled out the three that I think
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Speaker 1: really apply to Jody. As we know, it is the
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Speaker 1: stability of his family. And this relates more to Gladys, Robin,
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Speaker 1: his siblings. And so we talked to Robin. You guys
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Speaker 1: listen to that in one of our first episodes, I
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Speaker 1: think it was episode two. Seems like they had a
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Speaker 1: really stable family.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, one of the things that
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Speaker 3: you know, well, there's a couple of things to consider. First,
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Speaker 3: we hear about no one really had a bad thing
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Speaker 3: to say about him, so let's start there. And then
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Speaker 3: we start talking about, you know, during Robin's interview, you know,
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Speaker 3: her relationship with him, and that he was a jokester.
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Speaker 3: I think what she said, and you know, there's lots
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Speaker 3: of conversations that happen around that, you know, and you
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Speaker 3: know with Cindy as well, you know, he was We
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Speaker 3: were certainly given the impression that this was a relatively
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Speaker 3: tight knit group, and that they had a lot of
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Speaker 3: mutual respect for each other, even Jody in some cases
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Speaker 3: would consider kind of the favorite.
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Speaker 2: And as a result, we're.
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Speaker 3: Just not seeing a family dynamic here that's too problematic.
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Speaker 1: So that's a thing positive, right, This is a positive
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Speaker 1: protective factor. Another protective factor is not being directly involved
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Speaker 1: in unlawful behavior.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, as we've covered before, we acknowledge
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Speaker 3: the fact that, yeah, we know that Jody spoke some
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Speaker 3: pot occasionally.
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Speaker 2: We know that. We also know that anytime we've.
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Speaker 3: Had various conversations around drugs. While we do get other names,
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Speaker 3: but on both sides of the family, we don't typically
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Speaker 3: hear his name in this same association.
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Speaker 1: And then the third thing that really stood out for
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Speaker 1: me as a protective factor that relates to Jody as
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Speaker 1: self esteem. And you already kind of hit on it.
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Speaker 1: He was a jokester. We've heard several people in the
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Speaker 1: community say he was very helpful. He would drop anything.
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Speaker 1: We don't that was you. Yeah, we don't hear anything
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Speaker 1: about depression. You know, he was fun loving, went out
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Speaker 1: and did fishing, and so I don't know that we've
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Speaker 1: heard any evidence that he didn't have a positive self esteem.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I would think it was the other I
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Speaker 1: would agree with that good self esteem. Now, let's take
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Speaker 1: a look at risk factors. We're going to approach this
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Speaker 1: one in the same way. There are quite a few,
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Speaker 1: I think ten or fifteen different risk factors. I pulled
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Speaker 1: out the three that I think really apply to Jody.
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Speaker 1: So the several risk factors that can an individual vulnerable
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Speaker 1: to becoming a victim of crime. Vulnerability is what we're
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Speaker 1: talking about, and I've narrowed it down to basically these three.
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Speaker 1: The first one is socioeconomic status. So a person's ranking
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Speaker 1: on the socioeconomic ladder, we can say, can be a
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Speaker 1: protective factor or it can be a vulnerability, and in
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Speaker 1: this case, we see it more as a vulnerability.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we certainly know that they weren't in the best
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Speaker 3: financial shape. I'm not sure to what level, but we
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Speaker 3: know that Jody had closed down the business and he
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Speaker 3: was doing basically odd jobs or even electrical jobs, but
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Speaker 3: not really doing it under the umbrella of that LLC.
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Speaker 3: We know that Susan's career doesn't exactly lend itself to
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Speaker 3: a very high level of pay rate.
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Speaker 1: Right, Let's be honest, educators don't really make a lot
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Speaker 1: of money, and she's a preschool teacher admirable work. We
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Speaker 1: need to have people in front of kids as they're
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Speaker 1: at that really young age. Does not pay well.
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Speaker 3: Correct and so it's easy to understand here that from
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Speaker 3: a socioeconomic standpoint they're probably not at a very good level.
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Speaker 1: So that we would say is a vulnerability area for Jody.
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Speaker 1: The second area of vulnerability we're coming back to it again.
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Speaker 2: Was it drugs.
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Speaker 1: It's drugs, Yes, drug use, drug involvement, distribution, those kinds
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Speaker 1: of things.
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Speaker 3: And just like I said earlier, while Jody wasn't directly
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Speaker 3: involved with anything that was too significant in the stories
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Speaker 3: we've come across, lots of people around Jody were involved,
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Speaker 3: and on both sides of the family. We've got an
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Speaker 3: understanding with some of the sisters or maybe one of
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Speaker 3: the sisters. Her name was Lucia, and she was involved
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Speaker 3: in drugs, and it's my understanding that she was heavily
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Speaker 3: involved in drugs.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that we've talked about Lucia before. Can
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Speaker 1: you tell us who she is?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she was from my perspective, she was one of
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Speaker 3: my other aunts. She was I believe half sisters with
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Speaker 3: with Susan, full sister with Brenda, and I don't have
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Speaker 3: a ton of memories with her, but unfortunately one of
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Speaker 3: my worst, my last memory, i should say, is really
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Speaker 3: not a great one with Lucia.
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Speaker 2: I was driving up. I was sixteen or seventeen years old.
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Speaker 3: I was driving down the road and I saw her
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Speaker 3: and I recognized her.
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Speaker 2: She was walking along the.
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Speaker 3: Road right near Capitol Circle and we're crowfobile highway crosses
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Speaker 3: and she looked like she was just broken down. Well,
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Speaker 3: I pulled over, and very quickly I realized that she
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Speaker 3: was either intoxicated or high and she was working her
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Speaker 3: way back to her car or to a gas station
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Speaker 3: excuse me to because she had run out of gas
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Speaker 3: or something had happened to her car.
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Speaker 2: I pulled over all of her to help her.
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Speaker 3: She we wanted to help her get back to her
10:01
Speaker 3: car get some gas, and I could tell there was
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Speaker 3: a problem. So I looked at her and said, well,
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Speaker 3: I'm not going to help you back to your car.
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Speaker 3: I will help you home. And she did not want
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Speaker 3: to go home. She wanted to go back to her car.
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Speaker 3: I tried to push the issue with her. She got
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Speaker 3: very upset with me. She basically told me to go
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Speaker 3: screw myself, and I told her, I'm like, well, I'm
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Speaker 3: willing to help you, but I'm only going to take
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Speaker 3: you home.
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Speaker 2: I'm not putting you back in a vehicle.
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Speaker 3: And I got the finger pretty much And that is
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Speaker 3: literally the last memory of Lucia that I have.
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Speaker 1: And so we have this vulnerability of drug use just
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Speaker 1: swirling around Jody, both in his side of the family
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Speaker 1: and in Susan's side of the family. So this is
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Speaker 1: a really important vulnerability area as we see it right now.
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Speaker 1: We talked about the stability of Jody's family in terms
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Speaker 1: of Robin and his sisters as being a protective factor.
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Speaker 1: We also have to acknowledge stability of the family as
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Speaker 1: far as his marriage as being a pretty significant vulnerability.
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Speaker 1: We know from the neighbor that he heard screaming, and
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Speaker 1: one of the theories is maybe he didn't do anything because
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of fighting going on.
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Speaker 3: It was a common thing occurrence to happen right with
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Speaker 3: the property.
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Speaker 1: We know that Susan and Jody had been separated for
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Speaker 1: a little while. In our last episode, I think we
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Speaker 1: talked about a reconciliation in the past week or so,
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Speaker 1: we've heard that maybe that isn't the right word. While
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Speaker 1: he had moved back in, maybe it wasn't really a reconciliation.
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Speaker 1: And so we feel like these three areas of vulnerability,
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Speaker 1: socioeconomic status, drug use, drug involvement, and familiar stability are
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Speaker 1: all things that we need to consider as vulnerabilities. And
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Speaker 1: I do want to say this area of victimology. If
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Speaker 1: this is something you're really interested in, I would strongly
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Speaker 1: encourage that you listen to the podcast The consult This
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Speaker 1: is three people who were used to work in the
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Speaker 1: Behavior Analysis unit and were profilers and they're retired from
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Speaker 1: the FBI, and these people are experts in victimology. So
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Speaker 1: if you're really thinking this is really cool and we're
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Speaker 1: thinking about what might lend someone to become a victim,
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Speaker 1: I really encourage you to listen to that. They profile
12:35
Speaker 1: the John Benny Ramsey case, the Israel Keys case, the
12:39
Speaker 1: Zodiac killer. There's lots of really interesting cases. I think
12:43
Speaker 1: in that podcast. If that's something you're interested in listening to,
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Speaker 1: did you want to say anything else about vulnerabilities?
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Speaker 2: I don't think so.
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Speaker 1: All right, So with all that said, we want to
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Speaker 1: be careful here because it's important that when we talk
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Speaker 1: about victimology, we don't ever want to give the impression
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Speaker 1: that someone who has a high risk of victimology means
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Speaker 1: it's their fault. That's not what we're saying at all. Rather,
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Speaker 1: we are considering the field of behavior analysis to explore
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Speaker 1: Jody's risk level. So there's five levels of risk when
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Speaker 1: we think about victimology, goes from mild to moderate, to
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Speaker 1: elevated to severe and too extreme. So it's our opinion
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Speaker 1: that Jody's victimology risk level was moderate. And we think
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Speaker 1: that mostly because of this constant coming back to the drugs,
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Speaker 1: and we're not just talking about marijuana and weed, We're
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Speaker 1: talking about much more significant drugs.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got evidence of you know, connections to crack cocaine.
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Speaker 3: We've got evidence of cocaine, We've got evidence of math.
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Speaker 3: You had another one that you had mentioned in a
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Speaker 3: previous episode.
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Speaker 1: Right, ecstasy. Ecstasy is also something that has come up
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Speaker 1: in terms of some specific people, not across the board,
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Speaker 1: but it's been named with certain people. Okay, So in conclusion,
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Speaker 1: we feel like Jody's victimology risk level is moderate. So
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Speaker 1: the first theory that we're going to go back to
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Speaker 1: is our theory about drugs and the involvement of drugs
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Speaker 1: in JODI's homicide. So as a quick refresher, in episode four,
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Speaker 1: we discuss the history of substance abuse in the family.
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Speaker 1: We've already hit on it a little bit today, not
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Speaker 1: just weed, but a lot of other things. We talked about.
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Speaker 1: We'll call it the Walgreens incident where several people were
14:57
Speaker 1: arrested at the Walgreens for attempting to acquire pseudofed and unfortunately,
15:04
Speaker 1: things worse than pseudofed were found in their vehicle. We
15:08
Speaker 1: also discussed some folks who went to jail, some folks
15:13
Speaker 1: who are arrested. Remember were being really careful in this
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Speaker 1: section to not use names. We want to be sensitive
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Speaker 1: to that, but we don't We know that members of
15:21
Speaker 1: JODI's family were arrested in charge with possession of myth
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Speaker 1: and that's where the ecstasy came in. It also is
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Speaker 1: pretty common that drugs come up in the conversation.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and to add on, you know, again to the recap,
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Speaker 3: we've stumbled across when and why certain when and why
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Speaker 3: dogs were brought in and what we found is not
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Speaker 3: only were dogs brought in at Jody's location, granted weeks later,
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Speaker 3: from what we heard, they were also brought somewhere else
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Speaker 3: and there's a property that's associated with the kill War
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Speaker 3: family where there was suspected of drug deals or drug
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Speaker 3: activity happening, and the dogs were also taken to this
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Speaker 3: location for that purpose.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we understand that the canines were not run on
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Speaker 1: the property because of course, you know, you would have
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Speaker 1: to have problem cause or a warrant for that, but
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Speaker 1: they were run fairly close to the property line in
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Speaker 1: the location where we've been told that drug deals were happening.
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Speaker 1: So that's just another piece of evidence that we have
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Speaker 1: that kind of sits in the drugs are.
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Speaker 3: Possibly involved in this Drugs are part of the story,
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Speaker 3: potentially part.
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Speaker 1: Of the story. Yeah, I would agree with that.
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Speaker 3: The second theory was in Fideli and how that may
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Speaker 3: have played a role. And what's interesting about this theory
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Speaker 3: is after episode four released, we heard from a number
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Speaker 3: of listeners and they felt that we weren't taking this
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Speaker 3: particular theory seriously enough or we were discounting it too
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Speaker 3: much to being related. So we did some more research
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Speaker 3: and we really listened to their feedback, and something really
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Speaker 3: jumped off the page that was brought up.
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Speaker 2: And that was the Mike Williams case.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I did a little research on this and
17:20
Speaker 1: we actually even watched We found it on YouTube, right,
17:22
Speaker 1: it was a forty eight hours episode. It's called cold
17:25
Speaker 1: Blooded Killer.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll link it in the description.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so basically what happened was in the early morning
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Speaker 1: hours of December sixteenth of two thousand, Mike Williams, a
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Speaker 1: thirty one year old real estate appraiser and devoted father.
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Speaker 1: He went out to Lake Seminole, which I assume you've
17:43
Speaker 1: probably been to. I have many times. So this is
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Speaker 1: the case that is going to be very familiar to
17:48
Speaker 1: quite a few of our listeners. And this guy, Mike Williams,
17:51
Speaker 1: he was going duck hunting. Well, he didn't come back,
17:56
Speaker 1: so a search was launched and they found his boat.
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Speaker 1: And if you watch the show, they actually show pictures
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Speaker 1: of the actual boat and see it kind of across
18:06
Speaker 1: the I would call it a boat, but I guess
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Speaker 1: Lake Seminole's sin swappy. Yeah, so you can see where
18:13
Speaker 1: the launch is and then you can see this abandoned
18:15
Speaker 1: boat kind of across the way. And they talked to
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Speaker 1: some of the detectives who actually did the search efforts,
18:22
Speaker 1: and they used these boats and was it long PBC pipe.
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Speaker 3: It was the TBC pipe that they were pushing around
18:29
Speaker 3: in the swamp itself. And the way he described it was,
18:33
Speaker 3: if it h's something solid, it's a log. If it's
18:36
Speaker 3: something a little bit spongy, it's most likely a body.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hm, And so he said, you know, they used
18:41
Speaker 1: the typical grid pattern and they did this for for
18:44
Speaker 1: quite a while, but they didn't find anything. And so
18:48
Speaker 1: what they decided is that he had fallen off his
18:52
Speaker 1: boat for whatever reason, tipped the boat, and that he
18:55
Speaker 1: had been eaten by alligators.
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Speaker 2: That was the theory, right.
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Speaker 1: And so with this working theory, his wife at the time, Denise,
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Speaker 1: was able to actually have a death certificate issued without
19:08
Speaker 1: a body. But what was really interesting is the way
19:13
Speaker 1: this happened was I think it was six months after
19:17
Speaker 1: he disappeared, his waiters and his fishing jacket and it
19:22
Speaker 1: was his hunting license just poof appeared, like the waiters
19:27
Speaker 1: just appeared in the same general area where they had
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Speaker 1: found the boat, six months after he had disappeared. Slash
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Speaker 1: been eaten.
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Speaker 3: By alligators, right, And that gave the gave law and
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Speaker 3: not human gave the insurance companies what they needed to
19:41
Speaker 3: issue her her payment for life insurance. But law enforcement
19:46
Speaker 3: looked at this and they kind of went, well, wait
19:49
Speaker 3: a second, the waiters are in too good a condition.
19:52
Speaker 3: The materials in general were in better condition than they
19:55
Speaker 3: should have been after sitting there for six months. So
19:57
Speaker 3: it actually made the situation even more so suspicious.
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Speaker 1: But it allowed this death certificate to be issued. And
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Speaker 1: then she collected a one point seven to five million
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Speaker 1: dollar life insurance claiment three separate life insurance insurance payments
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Speaker 1: or certificates. Is that what it's called a life insurance policy,
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Speaker 1: one of which was issued by his good friend. So
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Speaker 1: now we're going too fast forward to twenty.
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Speaker 2: Seventeen, so it was eighteen years later.
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Speaker 1: And in the interim, what has happened is this good friend,
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Speaker 1: his name was Brian, the one who was a life
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Speaker 1: insurance guy. And actually Brian and his wife and Mike
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Speaker 1: the person who disappeared, and his wife Denise were friends.
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Speaker 1: They went out and did stuff together, all four of them. Well,
20:47
Speaker 1: after Mike disappeared, Brian gets divorced, and Brian and Denise,
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Speaker 1: Mike's widow, they got married, so that I was at
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Speaker 1: a little suspect I think. And they were married for
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Speaker 1: several years, enjoying this life insurance policy.
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Speaker 2: Three years, I think it.
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Speaker 1: Might have been longer than that. I don't remember exactly
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Speaker 1: it was. It was a little while. Well, things started
21:14
Speaker 1: going downhill between Brian and Denise and he assaulted her
21:20
Speaker 1: and he got arrested. And what they don't show you
21:25
Speaker 1: in the show, so you know, a spoiler alert, he
21:29
Speaker 1: cut a little deal with them before they sentenced him
21:31
Speaker 1: for that assault, and he he spilled the beans. He
21:35
Speaker 1: told the he told the law enforcement that he had
21:38
Speaker 1: actually killed Mike.
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Speaker 3: And describe where his body was and he could be discovered.
21:44
Speaker 1: That's right. And because of that he got a little
21:48
Speaker 1: you know deal in his sentencing for the assault of her.
21:51
Speaker 1: And he threw her under the bus. He said that
21:55
Speaker 1: she she wasn't there, but they had talked about it.
21:59
Speaker 1: This was the whole place. And she ended up getting
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Speaker 1: convicted of first agree murder. However, her first agree murder
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Speaker 1: sentence was overturned, her conspiracy to commit murder sent conviction
22:15
Speaker 1: was upheld. So you know, there are some obviously it's
22:21
Speaker 1: not the exact same story, but what we're talking about
22:24
Speaker 1: is a story that was solved after eighteen years. That
22:28
Speaker 1: was a long time. We have a story where we
22:32
Speaker 1: have some infidelity happening.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was found out that, you know, they had
22:37
Speaker 3: been seeing each other for many years prior to Mike's murder.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: Another similarity is that she had cut off Denise, the
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Speaker 1: widow had cut off all communication with the family after
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Speaker 1: he disappeared Slash got eaten by the alligators, and she
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Speaker 1: would not let anyone in her child or anybody see
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Speaker 1: anyone in his family, totally cut them off, didn't communicate
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Speaker 1: with them, which is kind of a parallel to what's
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Speaker 1: happening at least with you. This is your family and
23:17
Speaker 1: they're not talking to you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, just a question of me.
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Speaker 3: But my side of the family is they are not
23:24
Speaker 3: communicating with you know, the Kilgar side of the family.
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Speaker 3: As far as Jody's side, there's definitely been a riff
23:31
Speaker 3: that's been created as a result of this. Now, granted
23:33
Speaker 3: I heard things weren't great before, this certainly didn't make
23:36
Speaker 3: things better. And there's a number of the other parallels.
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Speaker 3: There was one, you know, champion of the entire story,
23:42
Speaker 3: and that was Mike's mom, And when I saw that
23:45
Speaker 3: part of the show, I instantly thought of Gladys.
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Speaker 2: So there's another parallel.
23:48
Speaker 3: If we have an insurance payment that I've heard was
23:52
Speaker 3: part of something that was in this story, that there
23:56
Speaker 3: was an insurance policy that was collected upon jody death.
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Speaker 1: And then there's one last thing that really came to
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Speaker 1: our attention as we were watching this story about Mike
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Speaker 1: Williams that I'm going to call it the popular theory.
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Speaker 1: So in the Mike Williams case, the popular theory what
24:14
Speaker 1: most people chalked it up to was that he fell
24:17
Speaker 1: off his boat and he was eaten by an alligator.
24:20
Speaker 1: Most people thought that that's what happened. Obviously, the court
24:22
Speaker 1: thoughts that's what happened. They issued a death certificate. Except
24:27
Speaker 1: for his mom, who you just talked about, she never
24:32
Speaker 1: believed that that was the case. And then as the
24:35
Speaker 1: story progressed, we had several scientists and experts who said,
24:39
Speaker 1: alligators are not going to eat a whole body in December.
24:43
Speaker 1: I'm not from Florida, I don't know about alligators, but
24:47
Speaker 1: this seems pretty accurate. And that ended up not being
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Speaker 1: the case. And so the connection that we started thinking
24:54
Speaker 1: about to Jody's case is there seems to be what
24:58
Speaker 1: I'll call a quote popular thing theory around one person,
25:03
Speaker 1: one specific person's involvement and responsibility in this case. And
25:08
Speaker 1: I think if you took ten people who knew something
25:10
Speaker 1: about this case, probably seven or eight would say it's Toby.
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Speaker 1: It's the business partner, He's the one who did it.
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Speaker 1: It's the popular theory.
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Speaker 3: And we've been discussed in previous episodes just with the
25:21
Speaker 3: information that we have now. Granted, let's acknowledge there's things
25:24
Speaker 3: that law enforcement has right now that we don't have.
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about what we do know.
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Speaker 3: What we do know already makes it really difficult for
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Speaker 3: it to be Toby.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. So we went through this Mike Williams
25:40
Speaker 1: case and we just drew some connections to Jody's homicide.
25:43
Speaker 1: And really that's all spurring from the feedback that we
25:48
Speaker 1: got from you all about how we sort of glossed
25:50
Speaker 1: over infidelity as being a contributing factor to this homicide
25:55
Speaker 1: or being somehow involved with that.
25:56
Speaker 3: So they're saying, like the infidelity and drugs are now
25:59
Speaker 3: kind of neked because after you're saying to Lisa, yeah,
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Speaker 3: I mean.
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Speaker 1: We didn't really have infidelity as its own even theory.
26:04
Speaker 1: We talked about Susan and potentially her involvement as a theory,
26:10
Speaker 1: and we sort of said, oh, maybe infidelity had something
26:12
Speaker 1: to do with it. And since then, uh, people let
26:18
Speaker 1: us know that it probably had potentially had a little
26:20
Speaker 1: bit more to do with it. Then maybe we had
26:22
Speaker 1: discussed it, and that's why we wanted to tease this
26:24
Speaker 1: out a little more.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll be covering this a bit more later
26:28
Speaker 3: because what's happened over the last couple of days is
26:31
Speaker 3: we've had a number of people again the listeners that
26:33
Speaker 3: reached out that challenge us on this theory or not
26:36
Speaker 3: taking this theory as seriously, and provided a lot more
26:40
Speaker 3: details that you know, we're going to have to look
26:42
Speaker 3: at before we're going to be talking, before we can
26:44
Speaker 3: talk about them on this podcast.
26:46
Speaker 1: But that's coming up, isn't it.
26:48
Speaker 2: Yes, it is all right.
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Speaker 1: Despite extensive investigations by the Wacolla County Sheriff's Office and
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Speaker 1: the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, no arrests have been
27:13
Speaker 1: made and the case remains unsolved. It is the only
27:16
Speaker 1: unsolved homicide in Walcolla County. Authorities continue to seek information
27:21
Speaker 1: from the public to help solve the case. The Kilgore
27:24
Speaker 1: family has been vocal in their pursuit of justice, keeping
27:28
Speaker 1: the case in the public eye and urging anyone with
27:31
Speaker 1: information to come forward. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement
27:35
Speaker 1: has also shared appeals for assistance on social media, emphasizing
27:40
Speaker 1: the importance of community involvement in resolving this case. If
27:44
Speaker 1: you have any information related to George Jody Kilgore's murder,
27:50
Speaker 1: please contact the Wacolla County Sheriff Office, the Florida Department
27:54
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