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Episode 43_ The Unsolved Murder of Rachel Russell(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: What's up you guys. I'm Haley and I'm Andrea and
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  Speaker 1: this is Inhuman, a true crime podcast. All right, so
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  Speaker 1: happy November. I hope everybody had a wonderful Halloween and
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed our last super spooky, Haunted bonus episode. It was
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  Speaker 1: so good.
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  Speaker 2: I can't believe it's November. That's so crazy, I know.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like this year has yeah, yeah, flown, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which I'm glad because it's been a rough year I
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  Speaker 1: think for a lot of people. So yeah, it's it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Before we get into the episode, I want to apologize
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  Speaker 1: again if my voice is raspy. I went to Jonas
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  Speaker 1: Brothers concert a couple days ago and screamed a lot,
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  Speaker 1: and my voice is still just a little bit. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if anybody can actually tell, but I can tell,
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  Speaker 1: so just in case I'm not sick, I just screamed
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  Speaker 1: a lot.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like my voice is kind of raspy too,
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  Speaker 2: but I think it's the weather change. So it's right. Hello.
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  Speaker 1: And then one other thing I just wanted to share
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  Speaker 1: about Andrea on our bonus episode on Saturday, shared about
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Robinson and how they are still searching for him,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, if you are in the Phoenix area,
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  Speaker 1: you can go and help with the searches. I also
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  Speaker 1: wanted to just like with that, you reminded me Andrea
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  Speaker 1: that we did that episode on like a couple missing people,
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  Speaker 1: and so I just wanted to give like a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of an update since that episode in case you
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen, in case you don't follow us on Instagram
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  Speaker 1: and stuff, we share updates there. But to the people
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  Speaker 1: we shared about in that episode have been found not alive, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: and they both still need justice, especially Jilanie Day. He
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  Speaker 1: was actually found shortly after he disappeared, but he wasn't
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  Speaker 1: identified for three weeks, and his cause of death has
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  Speaker 1: now been confirmed as drowning, but the manner of death
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  Speaker 1: isn't confirmed yet, and his family does not believe that
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  Speaker 1: he took his own life, and there's just not a
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  Speaker 1: lot of attention going to the case, and it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: feel like the investigators are like really trying to figure
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  Speaker 1: out what happened. So you know, we just have to
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  Speaker 1: keep sharing his name, his story, get put the pressure
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  Speaker 1: on police, because that's I think what helps bring attention,
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  Speaker 1: or that's that attention helps helps push them to like
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  Speaker 1: actually go research.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because they don't want to displase the media for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason, so keep putting the heat on them, keep
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  Speaker 2: tagging them and stuff, and yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's Jillnnie Day and then Lauren Cho her
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  Speaker 1: remains were found. They don't know anything cause of death,
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  Speaker 1: man or death at all yet, so that one is
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  Speaker 1: still unknown. You know, we don't know if she left
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  Speaker 1: on her own willingly, if something, if foul play was related,
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  Speaker 1: if it was like an accidental death. So we'll definitely
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  Speaker 1: update you guys, but just keep her face, family and
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  Speaker 1: friends in your thoughts. You know. I'm glad that they
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  Speaker 1: both were found, so at least their families can have
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  Speaker 1: some sort of closure. Yeah, so I want to adaptate
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  Speaker 1: on that. And then also just that Daniel and Summer Wells,
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  Speaker 1: who we also covered in that episode, are still missing.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, the more we keep talking about them,
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  Speaker 1: the more likely police will take it in case more seriously. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so that is just that. Do you have anything else
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  Speaker 1: do you want to talk about? Andrea?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I was just trying to get
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  Speaker 2: my blanket out from underneath my chair.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, all right, so we will just dive right into
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  Speaker 1: this case. I think it's going to be a pretty
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  Speaker 1: short one because unfortunately, there is not a ton of
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  Speaker 1: information out there, and this is an unsolved case.
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  Speaker 2: And I know nothing about it, so I'm very curious
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  Speaker 2: and interested to hear.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about it before I did research either.
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  Speaker 1: So this was suggested by a listener, So shout out
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  Speaker 1: to Angie for bringing this case to our attention. Today
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  Speaker 1: we are covering the murder of a Canadian woman, woman
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  Speaker 1: Rachel Russell. So Angie told me that the town that
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  Speaker 1: Rachel is from, which is Coborg in Ontario, Canada, is
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  Speaker 1: very small and it's only the second or third murder
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  Speaker 1: to ever happen there. So yeah, it's yeah, wait.
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  Speaker 2: To go Canada. Canada is amazing.
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  Speaker 1: And I hope I'm saying it right. I looked up
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  Speaker 1: a pronunciation and that's how they said it, So I
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  Speaker 1: think I'm saying it right. But somebody correct me if
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  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, please nicely.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So, it has been fourteen years since Rachel's murder and
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  Speaker 1: it is still unsolved, and Angie said that in that
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  Speaker 1: many in the town still remember it. And I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe that I've never heard of this case, like I've
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  Speaker 1: never heard of podcast cover it or anything, because there
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  Speaker 1: basically are like no leads and it's just unsolved and
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  Speaker 1: it's just so heartbreaking to like, no, how little information
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  Speaker 1: there is about there about it, and yeah, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, probably because it's not being talked about, so there's
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  Speaker 2: no exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Rachel Russell was born in nineteen seventy nine in coburgque
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Coborg, Ontario, can Canada. I can't talk
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  Speaker 1: today mine.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of a tongue twister in your disresce.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. So I have to admit I know
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  Speaker 1: very little about the geography of Canada, so I kind
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  Speaker 1: of looked into the geography a little bit just to
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  Speaker 1: get my bearings, and I'm going to share that in
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  Speaker 1: case you, dear listener, don't know anything about the geography
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  Speaker 1: of Canada. And I blame the American school system because
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  Speaker 1: we barely learned American United States geography, so you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I did learn a little bit more while doing
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  Speaker 1: this research. So Coborg is in the province of Ontario,
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  Speaker 1: which is on the more eastern side of Canada, and
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  Speaker 1: this helped me picture it because I'm American and dumb,
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  Speaker 1: but it is above Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and New York.
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  Speaker 1: So it's in like that section of Canada, and it's
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  Speaker 1: part of Canada that touches the.
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  Speaker 2: Great Lakes Okay, and Coborg.
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  Speaker 1: Is in the southern part of Ontario, not far from
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  Speaker 1: the US border. So that's my geography lesson for the day,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Coborg's population today is still less than twenty thousand,
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  Speaker 1: and in two thousand and seven, I believe it was
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  Speaker 1: closer to fifteen thousand, so it's not a very big
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  Speaker 1: sea city and people tended to you know, know everyone there.
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  Speaker 1: People knew each other, people knew what was happening in
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  Speaker 1: the town. So that's why one of the reasons it's
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  Speaker 1: so shocking that there's so little information. So Rachel Russell
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  Speaker 1: grew up in Port Hope, Ontario, which is right next
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  Speaker 1: to Coborg, and Rachel had four sisters. They described their
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  Speaker 1: upbringing as a normal middle class family. Rachel's sisters say
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  Speaker 1: that she was extremely friendly and lovable, being almost like
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  Speaker 1: a chameleon, always meeting new people. They also said Rachel
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  Speaker 1: was adventurous and had a little bit of a wild side.
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  Speaker 1: A childhood friend of Rachel's named Jenny Barnes, who met
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  Speaker 1: Rachel on their first day of ninth grade at Port
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  Speaker 1: Hope High School, remembered a time when the two of
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  Speaker 1: them hitchhiked from Port Hope, Ontario, to New York State
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  Speaker 1: to see the Woodstock Revival festival. So yeah, remembering this incident,
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  Speaker 1: Rachel's sister, Shelley Russell, said that Rachel had left a
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  Speaker 1: note at home telling her family where she was, but
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  Speaker 1: she had trouble getting back home, so their dad had
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  Speaker 1: to actually drive down to the border to pick her
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  Speaker 1: up and was not very happy.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I imagine.
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  Speaker 1: So Jenny describes Rachel as being quote a fierce troublemaker
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  Speaker 1: who you couldn't help but love. She said that Rachel
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  Speaker 1: really was a force. She said, quote when she set
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  Speaker 1: her mind to something, it was going to happen. It
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  Speaker 1: didn't matter how ridiculous it was. So she you know,
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  Speaker 1: of course, that's that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: This is reminding me of Alyssa Turney a little bit
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  Speaker 2: for some reason.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah know why, Yeah, I kind of yeah, I could
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  Speaker 1: see that. So Rachel's family also described her as fearless
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  Speaker 1: and lovable. Shelley, her sister, said that Rachel was quote opinionated,
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  Speaker 1: but very well liked because she was hilarious, so, you know,
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  Speaker 1: she A couple of the sentiments about her was she
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  Speaker 1: definitely had an opinion and wasn't afraid to share it,
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  Speaker 1: but people loved her. When Rachel was in her mid twenties,
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  Speaker 1: her appendix burst and because of that, doctors finally discovered
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  Speaker 1: the source of some stomach pain that Rachel had been experiencing.
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  Speaker 1: She had a ton of cancerous cells covering her bowels,
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  Speaker 1: and Shelley describes the cancer as a type that seniors
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  Speaker 1: normally get, So that's probably why they hadn't been able
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  Speaker 1: to identify it, because what in the world it wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have been expected. Yeah, So doctors were able to remove
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  Speaker 1: parts of her intestines to kind of get rid of
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  Speaker 1: some of the cells, but it didn't completely get rid
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  Speaker 1: of the cancer. And I couldn't find exactly what her
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  Speaker 1: diagnosis was because this wasn't too long before she was murdered,
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  Speaker 1: so there's not a ton of information out there on it.
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  Speaker 1: But and it was the eighties. Yeah, so the surgery
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  Speaker 1: was hard to recover from, and afterwards Rachel became addicted
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  Speaker 1: to painkillers. Rachel's sister Cindy Russell said that her life
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  Speaker 1: was happy and fulfilled with her son, but the illness
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  Speaker 1: had gotten the best of her. That's sun So at
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight years old. In two thousand and seven, Rachel
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  Speaker 1: became a mother and she had split custody of her
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  Speaker 1: son with her father. Rachel was living with her parents
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  Speaker 1: in champ Bellcroft. Probably said that wrong, but she was
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  Speaker 1: living with her parents and her parents would have help
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  Speaker 1: look after her son while Rachel worked as a dog groomer.
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  Speaker 1: And actually, I think I got that wrong. She became
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  Speaker 1: a mother four years before that because her son was
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  Speaker 1: about four.
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  Speaker 3: When she was murdered. Oh okay, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Rachel was still in a lot of pain from
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  Speaker 1: the cancer she was fighting, and she was still addicted
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  Speaker 1: to oxy cotton after her surgery. Cindy says she wasn't
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  Speaker 1: a typical attict though, because she did truly have pain.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, those types of addictions are nasty and
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  Speaker 1: if they're not managed correctly by doctors, it can be
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  Speaker 1: really dangerous.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it's a pandemic in our country
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, Rachel did want and tried to help get help,
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  Speaker 1: Like she really wanted to get help, and she tried to,
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  Speaker 1: but it was really difficult because she needed a specific
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  Speaker 1: type of drug rehab center since she was still fighting
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  Speaker 1: the cancer. You know, she couldn't just go to a
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  Speaker 1: typical rehab where you just quit everything, because she did
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  Speaker 1: still needed help. So it was difficult for her to
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  Speaker 1: find rehab that could help her, and she wasn't ever
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  Speaker 1: able to get the help that she needed. Rachel's sisters
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  Speaker 1: believed that if she had never gotten sick, she would
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  Speaker 1: still be with them today, and not just because of
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  Speaker 1: the illness, but because of the the the issues of the.
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  Speaker 2: Illness lifestyle that she was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yep.
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  Speaker 1: So around the time of Rachel's death in late two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and seven, her sisters said that they were all
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  Speaker 1: very close, but they also knew that she hung out
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  Speaker 1: around a variety of people. Shelley said, quote, she was
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  Speaker 1: such a chameleon. She hung around everybody and anybody, from
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  Speaker 1: wealthy wealthy people to the poorest of the poor. She
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  Speaker 1: knew a lot of people end quote. So she also
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  Speaker 1: around this time had a tendency to disappear for days
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  Speaker 1: at a time, but she always came back. On November twelfth,
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  Speaker 1: two thousand and seven, a person was looking for beer
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  Speaker 1: bottles along the abandoned East West train tracks in Cobourg
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  Speaker 1: when they discovered a woman's body body. So this happened
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  Speaker 1: at one thirty pm, and when police got to the
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  Speaker 1: train tracks, they determined that the woman had been dead
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  Speaker 1: for at least a few hours, if not a few days.
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  Speaker 1: Shelley remembers hearing on the news that a woman's body
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  Speaker 1: had been found in Coborg and then she called her
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  Speaker 1: mom to see when she had last spoken with Rachel,
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  Speaker 1: and her mother said it had been three or four days,
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  Speaker 1: and Shelley said immediately she had a gut feeling that
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  Speaker 1: this woman was Rachel.
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  Speaker 3: That's so sad, I know.
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  Speaker 1: The next morning, after still not hearing from Rachel and
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  Speaker 1: that woman's body still not being identified by police, Shelley
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  Speaker 1: called the police to tell them that she hadn't heard
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  Speaker 1: from her sister, and although she wasn't technically missing yet
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  Speaker 1: because she would kind of disappear for a few days,
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  Speaker 1: she just wanted to give them a description of her
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  Speaker 1: and specifically of her.
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  Speaker 3: Tattoos to see. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So this was about twenty four hours after the
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  Speaker 1: body had been discovered, and like I said, police had
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  Speaker 1: not yet been able to identify it, and after Shelley's
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  Speaker 1: just description of Rachel's tattoos, police pretty quickly identified the
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  Speaker 1: woman who was found as Rachel Russell. So Shelley said,
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  Speaker 1: as soon as that night police were at her doorstep
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  Speaker 1: and she said they were quote breaking the news her
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  Speaker 1: sister had been murdered.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, she was, and she.
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  Speaker 2: Probably wasn't thinking that, right. I would assume like maybe
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  Speaker 2: more of like an overdose type situation. Right.
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  Speaker 1: So, throughout the next year there was a full investigation
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  Speaker 1: into Rachel's murder. Police believed that Rachel had been murdered
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  Speaker 1: a few weeks prior to the discovery of her body,
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  Speaker 1: and her cause of death was determined to be blunt
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  Speaker 1: force trauma.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: They also believe it's very possible that she had been
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  Speaker 1: murdered somewhere else and brought to the train tracks.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So when they found her and they said she
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  Speaker 2: could have been dead for a few hours or a
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  Speaker 2: few days, they kind of recanted that and said, we
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  Speaker 2: think she's been yeah, deceased longer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that initial response was like she's
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  Speaker 1: not alive. We can't save her, you know, like Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it was like, okay, she's clearly been dead for a
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  Speaker 1: little while. Yeah, and then once they were able to
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  Speaker 1: actually do an autopsy and stuff, they determined it had
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  Speaker 1: likely been a few weeks. Okay, so her family knew
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  Speaker 1: that it really could have been anything that happened to her.
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  Speaker 1: Rachel's friend Jenny said, quote, she could have gotten into
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  Speaker 1: an argument, as she was known to be opinionated, or
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  Speaker 1: she could have had trouble over drugs.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So the area that she was found in was known
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  Speaker 1: to be frequented by drug addicts and Rachel's quote big
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  Speaker 1: mouth could have gotten her into trouble, and that's kind
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  Speaker 1: of what her family and friends were thinking. Police and
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  Speaker 1: Rachel's family do believe though, that the person or people
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  Speaker 1: who killed her knew her, especially just with how small
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  Speaker 1: the city of Cobourg is.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So, in October two thousand and eight, a man was
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  Speaker 1: actually arrested and charged with second degree murder, but the
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  Speaker 1: charges were withdrawn in April two thousand and nine because
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  Speaker 1: there was not a reasonable prospect of convicting him. Oh so,
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  Speaker 1: this man, whose name is Wayne Ryman, he has continually
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  Speaker 1: maintained his innocence. He was actually in jail for seven
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  Speaker 1: months awaiting trial before the charge was withdrawn, and because
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  Speaker 1: of that, he ended up losing custody of his daughter,
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  Speaker 1: and he says his mother underwent tremendous stress. Wow, So
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  Speaker 1: Wayne Ryman has officially been ruled out and hopefully he
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  Speaker 1: truly has nothing to do with it. And I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: really find like why they thought it was him or anything.
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  Speaker 1: There just wasn't a lot of information on it.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's interesting though that they like arrested him
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  Speaker 2: for seven months.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, damn.
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  Speaker 1: So the February after Rachel passed away, Rachel's father passed away,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: leaving her mother a widow. Now, Rachel's mother lives in
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: Oshawa with her daughter, Cindy, and Rachel's mom doesn't really
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  Speaker 1: speak much about the murder or the case, but she
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  Speaker 1: is extremely supportive of Cindy and Shelley working to get answers.
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  Speaker 1: So Cindy and Shelley also obviously currently live in Oshawa,
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  Speaker 1: and they specifically moved there to be closer to Rachel's son,
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  Speaker 1: who is now eighteen and living with his father and her.
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  Speaker 1: Son had actually believed that his mother died of cancer
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  Speaker 1: until twenty sixteen, when the family finally explained to him
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  Speaker 1: what had happened.
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  Speaker 3: That's awful, that's so hard.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but thankfully he's really close with Rachel's family and
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  Speaker 1: they get to spend a lot of time together, and
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  Speaker 1: that's why they moved to Oshawa. So at least her
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: son is still getting to see, you know, his his
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  Speaker 1: family or his mom's family.
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  Speaker 2: And was he in the custody of his father?
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  Speaker 3: I guess after okay, because.
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  Speaker 1: Before she passed away it was a joint.
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  Speaker 2: Custody right fifty to fifty Okay.
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  Speaker 1: As of now, the investigation into the death of Rachel
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  Speaker 1: Russell remains open and police are pursuing any investigative leads
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  Speaker 1: that come forward. There's also currently a fifty thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: reward for any information that leads to an arrest and conviction,
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  Speaker 1: and the police continue to ask for the public's assistance
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  Speaker 1: with the investigation. Rachel's death is also being reviewed as
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  Speaker 1: part of the National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous
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  Speaker 1: Women and Girls. So Rachel's family is of the Magma heritage,
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  Speaker 1: and I really hope I'm saying that correctly. I looked
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: up multiple pronunciations and I found this one in the
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: comment section of a YouTube video where the video apparently
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  Speaker 1: pronounced it wrong and so hopefully this is right because
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  Speaker 1: one of a couple of the commenters explained it like this,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm so sorry if I'm pronouncing it wrong, but
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  Speaker 1: please correct me, tell me how to say it. So,
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  Speaker 1: the Magma are Native American or First Nations people occupying
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  Speaker 1: what is today Canada's eastern maritime provinces, along with parts
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  Speaker 1: of Maine and mass Choosetts in the US. So because
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  Speaker 1: Rachel's family is of Migmah heritage, her case was able
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  Speaker 1: to be added to this inquiry. Okay, so when it
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  Speaker 1: was first added, the hope was that it would bring
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: more resources to her case, and so far there hasn't
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: been any significant developments with that, but that doesn't mean
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: there never will be. You know, any additional eyes on
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: a case like this can be extremely helpful. Right every November,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: the family gets a call from the police department to
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: inform them that they are still actively working on the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: investigation into Rachel's murder. Twenty seventeen was the tenth anniversary,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: and that was really the last time I could find
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: any news updates about the case, except for one article
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I'll talk about in a second. But In twenty seventeen,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: in a Northumberland News article about the tenth anniversary, Shelley
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: said that she truly believes that someone still knows something.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: She said quote, I think her friends, that group knows.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I think somebody is just scared of who killed her.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: But then you're dealing with people who have addictions and
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: can't remember one day to the next.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the opp or the Ontario provincial is that
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: how you say that word?
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I really don't know.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: But the Ontario Police they said that the investigation remains
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: active and it is not a cold case, despite happening
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: over a decade ago. So I think it's a little
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: different than the US because the US cases can still
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: be open but cold, whereas I think in a lot
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: of other countries, if they're cold, it basically means like
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: they're closed.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: That was like another case week, was it, Madelie McCann Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's still open. It's not a cold case.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: It has been fourteen years since Rachel was murdered, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: her family just wants closure. They are trying to remain hopeful,
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: but find it difficult now, especially so many years later.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: You know, I think there was a little bit of
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: a renewed hope. In twenty seventeen at the tenth anniversary,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: they were still very hopeful, but now it's getting harder.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, Shelley told Toronto dot Com, quote, thirteen
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: years later, we have accepted that it is what it is.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: We're very limited on what we know because it is
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: an ongoing investigation and the fifty thousand dollars reward is
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: still up, so somebody would have spoken by now. So
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: her thoughts are kind of like, this reward has been
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: opened for so long. If somebody knew something, they would
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: have come forward. But the opp do remain hopeful that
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: somebody out there knows something and will come forward. They
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: have said that the reward remains active and it has
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: resulted in tips from the public in the past, So,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: you know, I really feel like in this type of case,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: the more attention it can get, the more likely somebody
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: will remember something, somebody will come forward with something, because
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: it's kind of rare, I feel like, especially in the US.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: But the investigators are still very committed to and not
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: just committed, but are confident that somebody out there knows something.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: It's just that there's not a lot of public attention,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: so you know, the person that might know something might
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: just have no clue that they do know something, you.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, that's true.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Rachel's family focuses now on spending time together. As I mentioned,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: they all live in Oshawa, so they can be near
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Rachel's son and they try to spend as much time
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: with him as possible. And he's also very close to
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: his cousins, so Rachel's sister's kids, just as Rachel and
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: her sisters were always close. Anybody with information about this
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: case can call police at one eight eight three one
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: zero one one two two, or you can submit anything
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: anonymously through crime Stoppers, so that would be completely anonymous.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: So that can be shared by calling one eight hundred
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: two two two eight four seven seven and I'll put
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: all of those numbers in the show notes.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, I was just gonna ask,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: and I know, like since it is an ongoing investigation,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: but it's so hard for me to believe, like there
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: was no DNA found on her body at all, like
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: to find a body, and.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: If it was blunt force trauma, they might have somebody
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: might have just like hit her with an object. So
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: there might not be DNA, or if there was DNA,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: you know, like she might have not even been able
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: to fight back because sometimes there's going to take a DNA.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so unfortunate.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that is today's case. I really hope that
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: bringing more attention to this case can help, because you know,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: as they said, police seem to be really invested in
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: continuing to work on this case. So please please please
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: share about it, help get the word out there and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: maybe one day her murder will be.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Found, especially if you're in Canada or you know, in
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Ontario specifically, like share this case, because you guys are
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: going to be the ones that can really get the
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: attention out there, I think.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: So. Yeah, that's all I have for you guys today.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I will post some photos of Rachel on our Instagram.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: But our instagram is in Human Underscore Podcasts. You can
• 23:07
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• 23:10
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• 23:13
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• 23:16
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• 23:18
  Speaker 1: on Facebook if you search in human Podcasts probably or
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: in Human a true crime podcast. Again, it's all linked
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: down below. So with that Thank you guys so much
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: for listening. We will see you on Thursday, and until then,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: keep it human.
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Bye bye