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Speaker 1: Is the gold reform.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, Donald Trump sucking up to a killer, the Liberals
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Speaker 2: sliding into more irrelevance. Another alban easy globe warming scheme
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Speaker 2: turns out to be a dud, the latest propaganda con
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Speaker 2: from Gaza. Why do journists fall for them so easily?
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Speaker 2: Plus why fi left transgender protests that we can look
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Speaker 2: like neo Nazi so much more as well, including a
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Speaker 2: Melbourne hairdresser Aligius, refusing to cut the hair of an
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Speaker 2: Israeli that she abused as a baby killer. There's a
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Speaker 2: protest there tonight, but let's get stuck in. We've just
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Speaker 2: had a brutal reminder by US President Donald Trump, a
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Speaker 2: real wake up for Australia too, that this world isn't
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Speaker 2: run by fine ideals, certainly not now. It's run by power.
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Speaker 2: The rules are made by men with the guns, as
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Speaker 2: we saw when Trump met Russian President Vladimir Putin in
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Speaker 2: Alaska on Friday and fawned on him. And today European
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Speaker 2: leaders are rushing to Washington to talk Trump into not
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Speaker 2: giving in to Russia. The leaders of Britain, France, Germany, Italy,
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Speaker 2: Finland plus others have dropped everything to save the West
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Speaker 2: from danger. This is unprecedented, this meeting. They're going to
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Speaker 2: back up Ukraine's president Vladimir Zelenski, who's also in his
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Speaker 2: way today to save what's left of his country. And
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Speaker 2: all this follows Trump's disastrous meeting with Putin. I want
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Speaker 2: to go through what Trump did, but not just the
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Speaker 2: show how he was humiliated, but to be fair and balanced,
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Speaker 2: also show what tiny signs there were at this summit
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Speaker 2: that peace in Ukraine could, despite everything, finally come, and
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Speaker 2: what it would now look like, and what a terrible
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Speaker 2: price Ukraine must now pay for the weakness of the West. Now.
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Speaker 2: I had thought before this meeting that Donald Trump had
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Speaker 2: finally learned that Putin can't be trusted. I mean, Putin
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Speaker 2: had launched a full scale invasion of Ukraine three years ago,
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Speaker 2: just the latest country has invaded, committed shocking war crimes
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Speaker 2: against civilians, and abducted almost twenty thousand Ukrainian children. Trump
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Speaker 2: had first blamed Ukraine for getting invaded and yielded its president,
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Speaker 2: threw him out of the White House, and even froze
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Speaker 2: armed deliveries to Ukraine for a while until he finally
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Speaker 2: seemed to see sense. And lately Trumps instead car Putin's
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Speaker 2: talk of wanting peace just excuse the language bullshit, And
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Speaker 2: just a week ago he demanded an immediate cease fire
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Speaker 2: or else Will Russia faced any consequences if Vladimir Putin
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Speaker 2: does not agree to stop the war after your meeting
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Speaker 2: on Friday?
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Speaker 1: Yes, they will.
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Speaker 2: What will the CONTs? There will be constation there.
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't have to say, there will be very
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Speaker 3: severe consequences.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I imagine the shock and Friday
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Speaker 2: when Trump instead had you, as soldiers in Alaska kneel
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Speaker 2: down in front of Putin's plane to roll out the
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Speaker 2: red carpet for this wanted war criminal, and even applauded
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Speaker 2: Putin as the Russian despot walked towards him and invited
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Speaker 2: him to hop into Trump's own car as a sign
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Speaker 2: a special favor. And right there, Donald Trump gave Putin
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Speaker 2: one of the things he most wanted, honor in the
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Speaker 2: eyes of the world and the eyes of watching Russians,
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Speaker 2: honor from the supposed leader of the free world. Equal standing.
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Speaker 2: It got worse. The Russian said these peace talks would
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Speaker 2: last six or seven hours. Instead, they ended after less
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Speaker 2: than three and a lunch of honor if Putin was scrapped,
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Speaker 2: and then came a bizarre press conference in which Putin
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Speaker 2: actually spoke first and for twice as long as Trump,
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Speaker 2: who then, almost unprecedentedly for this showman, refused to take questions,
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Speaker 2: outraging the journalists. And no wonder Trump didn't want questions.
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Speaker 2: The fact is Putin had given him nothing except smoke,
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Speaker 2: no cease, far, no peace, just an outrageous demand to
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Speaker 2: not just keep all the territory that disarmies captain in
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Speaker 2: Ukraine except for a couple of scraps north around Sumi
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Speaker 2: and Kharkiv, but for Ukraine then to hand over the
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Speaker 2: rest of two Donbas provinces. Russia still hasn't managed to
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Speaker 2: take either in twenty fourteen, the darker area there or
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Speaker 2: now the unconquered territory that includes Ukraine's fortress belt cities
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Speaker 2: that are its main defenses.
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Speaker 3: We had a very productive meeting. There were many many
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Speaker 3: points that we agreed on, most of them, I would say,
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Speaker 3: a couple of big ones that we haven't quite got there,
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Speaker 3: but we've made some headway.
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Speaker 2: So there's the deal. Until there's a deal. Then, even
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Speaker 2: after Putin lowered the boom, Trump still treated him like
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Speaker 2: a friend. Let Putin kick the can down the road
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Speaker 2: until some other meetings. Sometime in Moscow. We could really
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Speaker 2: show off while attacking Ukraine.
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Speaker 3: In the meantime, We'll speak to you very soon and
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Speaker 3: probably see you again very soon.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Vladimir, next time in Moscow.
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Speaker 4: Oh that's an interesting one.
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Speaker 3: I'll get a little heat on that one. But I
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Speaker 3: could see it possibly happening.
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Speaker 2: Gone was trying to threat to impose sanctions and in
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Speaker 2: Russia and Putin state TV his favorite commentators were gloating.
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Speaker 5: Still we say, watched he sure he shot.
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Speaker 2: Shak So how did Putin once again get Trump eating
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Speaker 2: out of his hand. Let's leave aside conspiracy theories that
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Speaker 2: Putin's got compromising material. One it turns out that Putin
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Speaker 2: did offer diny concessions, apparent concessions, which I will get to,
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Speaker 2: but mostly it was pure flattery to an American President's
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Speaker 2: the most praise hungry I've ever seen, and the biggest
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Speaker 2: sucker for men of power. I mean, Trump just worships power,
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Speaker 2: not just putinly admires Chinese dictator. In fact, on the
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Speaker 2: way to this summit, he even posted from his airplane
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Speaker 2: that had gotten a call from the dictator of Belarus,
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Speaker 2: a Putin crony and called this dictator highly respected. And
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Speaker 2: in the Alaska meeting and the press conference afterwards, Putin
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Speaker 2: talked to Trump about all the deals that they could
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Speaker 2: do on business on base on the Arctic. You know
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Speaker 2: how Trump adores feels, and he told Trump how they
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Speaker 2: both led great nations. Putin also flattered Trump, but repeating
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Speaker 2: his favorite political boast that Putin would never have invaded
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Speaker 2: Ukraine had Trump been president and not that loser Joe Biden.
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Speaker 6: Today when President Trump saying that if he was the
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Speaker 6: president back then there will be no war. And I'm
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Speaker 6: quite sure that it would indeed be so, and I
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Speaker 6: can confirm that.
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Speaker 2: And Trump just sucked it up.
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Speaker 3: I've always had a fantastic relationship with President Putin, with
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Speaker 3: Vladimir Loo.
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Speaker 2: Get this. Donald Trump even boasted later on Fox News
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Speaker 2: that Putin had told him, yes, Donald, you have made
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Speaker 2: America great again. And Trump actually took this war criminal's
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Speaker 2: crude flattery as the highest praise.
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Speaker 3: Vladimir said, just a little while ago, he said, I've
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Speaker 3: never seen anybody do so much self fast. He said,
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Speaker 3: your country is like hard as a pistol. And a
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Speaker 3: year ago he thought it was dead. Everybody thought it
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Speaker 3: was dead.
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Speaker 2: It was that obvious and that sick. Now, it did
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Speaker 2: seem at first that Putin had not offered Trump any concessions,
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Speaker 2: that had called Trump's bluff and said that if he
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Speaker 2: wanted a deal, a piece deal, he just had to
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Speaker 2: give in. But it is true. It is true that
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Speaker 2: this was the first time that I can remember that
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Speaker 2: Putin refused referred to Ukraine as a country and not
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Speaker 2: simply some fictional entity that was really Russian. And more significantly,
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Speaker 2: Putin even suggested that Ukraine would need security guarantees if
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Speaker 2: it did hand over territory to Russia, guarantees that dissuade
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Speaker 2: Russia from invading a third time once it rebuilt its strength.
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Speaker 6: President Trump, as he has said today that naturally the
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Speaker 6: security of Ukraine should be insured as well.
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Speaker 2: Now Trump's chief negotiated with Russia, the pro Russian Steve Whitcoff,
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Speaker 2: the most incompetent negotiator in the world, said yesterday that
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Speaker 2: this would involve America offering guarantees much like Article five
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Speaker 2: in NATO, that an attack on Ukraine by Russia would
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Speaker 2: be treated like an attack on the United States and Europe.
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Speaker 7: We were able to win the following concession that the
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Speaker 7: United States could offer Article five like protection, which was
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Speaker 7: the first time we had ever heard the Russians agreed
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Speaker 7: to that.
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Speaker 2: So I'm assuming this is the deal that Zelenski and
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Speaker 2: the European leaders will discuss overnight with Trump, not just
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Speaker 2: how much territory to hand over to Putin, but how
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Speaker 2: this guarantee is actually going to work because there's a
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Speaker 2: huge catch. For one, the guarantee of peace from Putin
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Speaker 2: that's worth nothing. I mean, it's lied before. And after all,
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Speaker 2: you know, Russia, the US and Europe all guarantee Ukraine
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Speaker 2: safety in ninety ninety five in exchange for its nuclear
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Speaker 2: weapons if he gave him up. Ukraine did that and
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Speaker 2: just got stabbed in the back. And what's Donald Trump's
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Speaker 2: word worth now? Two? So no wonder European leaders are
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Speaker 2: rushing to Washington. And it's not just Ukraine that's safety
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Speaker 2: that's at stake here. All those other countries that Russia
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Speaker 2: made part of its old Soviet Union are also in
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Speaker 2: danger now that the West has shown it candiv In
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Speaker 2: save Ukraine. Putin's foreign minister Sergey Lavov actually rubbed that
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Speaker 2: In by turning up to Alaska with a message printed
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Speaker 2: on his sweater. He's on the far left here CCP
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Speaker 2: of CCCP. That's the cyrillic acronym for the Soviet Union,
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Speaker 2: which once occupied not just Ukraine, but Latvia and Lithuania
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Speaker 2: and Estonia and Moldova and more countries that are now
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Speaker 2: going to fear what he will do next. So Trump
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Speaker 2: caved into Putin, even though Russia has less than half
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Speaker 2: its population and an economy no bigger than Spain's. He
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Speaker 2: gave in to the flattery of a killer and to
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Speaker 2: a lethal power, and hours ago put the heat on Russia.
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Speaker 2: Ukraine's president instead posting President's aleskik and thend the war
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Speaker 2: with the Russia. Woman's immediately if he wants to, or
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Speaker 2: he can continue to fight, remember how it started. No
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Speaker 2: getting back cramea. That's Obama given Crimea taken by Russia
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Speaker 2: twelve years ago without a shop being fired, And said Trump,
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Speaker 2: and there's no going into NATO by Ukraine and capital letters,
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Speaker 2: which Ukraine desperately wants for its safety. So the free
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Speaker 2: world must now weep because any piece now in Ukraine
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Speaker 2: is going to come at a huge cost. Joinings the
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Speaker 2: country's top foreign affairs writer Greg Sheridan of The Australian. Greg,
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Speaker 2: good to see you Friday's meeting between Trump and Putin.
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Speaker 8: Your reaction, Andrew, I don't want to sound like Vladimir
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Speaker 8: Putin addressing President Trump, but I've got to say I
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Speaker 8: think that's the best editorial I've ever heard you deliver,
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Speaker 8: and I agreed with every word of it. This was
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Speaker 8: really a sickening moment. I thought, really, perhaps the worst
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Speaker 8: thing Trump had ever done was imposed these insane tariffs
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Speaker 8: on India. He's got higher tariffs on India than he's
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Speaker 8: got on China because India trades with Russia. And now
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Speaker 8: look at his performance with Russia saying that no tariffs
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Speaker 8: will be necessary. This sadly is a reversion to the
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Speaker 8: Taco Trump. Trump always chickens out, So a minute ago
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Speaker 8: he was going to impose crippling, terrible sanctions on Russia.
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Speaker 8: Now they're all gone. It shows the world can never
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Speaker 8: get to any trade stability with Trump because he'll always
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Speaker 8: threaten and unthreaten these tariffs. He's scared of big powers.
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Speaker 8: One of the most awful consequences out of this is
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Speaker 8: it's very hard to see Trump actually going to war
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Speaker 8: to defend Taiwan. You can bet nobody's watching this more
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Speaker 8: closely than the Chinese. And I thought when Trump took office,
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Speaker 8: everybody knew what the ceasefire had to be. It had
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Speaker 8: to be a ceasefire in place like the Korean armistice
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Speaker 8: at the end of the Korean War. And that would
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Speaker 8: still reward Putin. He'd get all that territory that he's
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Speaker 8: taken since he invaded Ukraine for the second time. But
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Speaker 8: now Trump wants to give him the whole of the
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Speaker 8: donbas and he's put the weights back on Ukraine, saying, well,
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Speaker 8: you can have war or peace. And honestly, would what
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Speaker 8: would a security guarantee from Trump in these circumstances be
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Speaker 8: worth to Ukraine? When he's shown that nothing he says
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Speaker 8: lasts for longer than when he's saying it, and Putin
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Speaker 8: seems to have just played him superbly. I mean, it's
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Speaker 8: always dangerous for a president to go in on his
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Speaker 8: own to a bilateral meeting like that, but Trump is
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Speaker 8: now you have to question even his stability. I mean,
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Speaker 8: what's going on here? As Putin promised him personal fortune
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Speaker 8: with private business deals that seems to be very important
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Speaker 8: to Trump. It's still a bit mysterious what actually happened,
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Speaker 8: and a bit hard to follow.
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Speaker 2: Really, it's just you say, Putin played him like a field,
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Speaker 2: But gee, how hard is it? All you need to
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Speaker 2: do is flatter the man. European leaders are now rushing
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Speaker 2: to Washington, probably as we speak, to talk to Trump,
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Speaker 2: along with Ukraine's president is going to It is unprecedented,
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Speaker 2: as far as I can recall, for that many world
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Speaker 2: leaders to rush to Washington exactly the same time to
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Speaker 2: try to talk a president into or out of something.
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Speaker 2: Why this pack response.
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Speaker 8: Well, you know, Putin is a powerful bully, and Trump
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Speaker 8: gives into powerful bully. Zelensky is much less powerful, and
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Speaker 8: Trump therefore likes to bully much less powerful people.
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Speaker 1: So the idea is that.
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Speaker 8: With all these NATO leaders in the room with him,
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Speaker 8: it'll be harder for Trump to bully Zelenski. Now, critical
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Speaker 8: as I am of Trump, and I think this latest
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Speaker 8: passage is one of the most despicable things I've ever seen. Nonetheless,
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Speaker 8: this is a civilizational wide failure by the West. Europe
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Speaker 8: itself is many, many, many times richer than Russia. Its
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Speaker 8: combined economy would be ten times the size of Russia's.
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Speaker 8: Europe has known about Russian agression at least since twenty fourteen,
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Speaker 8: when Russia invaded Ukraine. Europe has not itself turned to
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Speaker 8: a military competent economy producing enough missiles, enough bombs and
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Speaker 8: all the rest of it to arm even Ukraine against Russia.
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Speaker 8: But if Europe wants to do this, even if Trump
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Speaker 8: bails out, which would be utterly despicable, Europe could nonetheless
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Speaker 8: supply Ukraine itself from its own resources. So as well
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Speaker 8: as lecturing Trump, Trump deserves to be lectured. The Europeans
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Speaker 8: are going to have to play this very carefully because
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Speaker 8: too many people playing a chess game doesn't always work
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Speaker 8: out well. But if Trump does bug out of history here,
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Speaker 8: the Europeans have the resources to arm and support Ukraine
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Speaker 8: if they have the will to do it. And you know,
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Speaker 8: they themselves have been guilty of gross inaction all the
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Speaker 8: way through this saga of Russian aggression.
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Speaker 2: Look on that very point, you're so correct. I read
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Speaker 2: incredible statistic. Russia isn't just being supplied of course by
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Speaker 2: Iran and under the counter by China. Have a North Korea.
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Speaker 2: North Korea alone has sent Russia more artillery munition than
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Speaker 2: Europe and America combined have sent to Ukraine more and
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Speaker 2: it's committed soldiers. None of the Europeans have. That is
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Speaker 2: a huge difference. The premise today said he would consider
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Speaker 2: sending Australian peacekeepers to the Ukraine if there is a
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Speaker 2: peace deal, something the Opposition foolishly, in my opinion, said
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Speaker 2: it was against during the election campaign.
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Speaker 9: Here is, if there is a peace and if there
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Speaker 9: is a global response to that in the form of peacekeeping,
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Speaker 9: then we would consider any proposal. At the time that
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Speaker 9: would be a matter for the cabinet.
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Speaker 2: Momma said a time, Greg. But is the Prime minister
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Speaker 2: right to consider sending peacekeepers if there is a peace deal?
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Speaker 8: Well, in a way is Andrew. But this is all
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Speaker 8: smoke and mirrors from the Prime minister, the most ridiculous,
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Speaker 8: hollow talk. We've got the smallest army that you could
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Speaker 8: ever imagine. If we send twenty seven peacekeepers over, we
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Speaker 8: can no longer defend Northern Australia, you know, I mean,
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Speaker 8: how about a prime minister who talked a bit less
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Speaker 8: and actually produced an Australian defense force. We've got no soldiers,
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Speaker 8: no missiles, no drones, no ships, no nothing. Meanwhile, we're
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Speaker 8: moving it a million miles a million miles an hour
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Speaker 8: away from our only security partner, the United States. It's
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Speaker 8: showing itself unreliable. So we're doing nothing to provide for ourselves.
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Speaker 8: But Albanese now all his buddies are on the European Left.
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Speaker 8: He doesn't identify with Washington anymore. So you know, he
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Speaker 8: could send you know, I suppose he could send six
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Speaker 8: people from his personal security unit, from the AFP or
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Speaker 8: something that would just about exhaust us militarily. And as
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Speaker 8: he said, we're certainly not going to send.
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Speaker 1: Soldiers to fight there or anywhere else.
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Speaker 8: I just think, you know Alberanze's remarks, I agree with you.
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Speaker 8: The opposition was foolish to rule it out. But honestly,
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Speaker 8: this is just kind of it's, you know, Alberzi just
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Speaker 8: talking to the start of fantasy land. Australian politics is
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Speaker 8: fantasy now, so.
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Speaker 2: True, so true on that point, by the way, that
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Speaker 2: last point about our relationship with America. Who wrote a
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Speaker 2: terrific piece in The australd on Saturday. I urged people
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Speaker 2: to read it. We'll discuss a little bit more about
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Speaker 2: that after the break. Greg Sheridan, thank you. Very much,
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Speaker 2: indeed for your time. Contest today got smashed with the
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Speaker 2: biggest ever penalty for a company breaching the Fair Work Act,
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Speaker 2: ninety million dollars. That's for unlawfully sacking outsourcing the jobs
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Speaker 2: of eighteen hundred of its workers baggage handers, cleaners and
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Speaker 2: other ground staff for decision. The contests defended all the
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Speaker 2: way up to the High Court in a five year
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Speaker 2: legal battle before finally saying oh sorry to the workers.
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Speaker 2: Just as Michael Lee and the Federal Court today wasn't impressed.
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Speaker 4: I accept Corners as sorry, but I'm unconvinced that this
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Speaker 4: measure of regret is not in a significant measure a
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Speaker 4: result of what the Full Court described in another case
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Speaker 4: as the wrong kind of sorry.
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Speaker 2: Fifty million dollars to that penalty will go to the
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Speaker 2: Transport Workers Union representing the workers. And that's on top
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Speaker 2: of the one hundred and twenty million dollars a Quantas
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Speaker 2: has already paid the affected workers. Joining me of scon
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Speaker 2: News business editor Ross Greenwood, Ross Greenwan, thank you so
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Speaker 2: much for your time. That is a huge fine. I
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Speaker 2: guess Quantus really is sorry now, well, they certainly are.
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Speaker 10: And Vanessa Hudson, the chief executive has come out today
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Speaker 10: and said exactly that, and said that the decision to
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Speaker 10: lay off that oney eight hundred and twenty workers illegally,
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Speaker 10: as it turns out, caused enormous distress not just those
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Speaker 10: individuals and their families, but across the entire Quatas workforce
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Speaker 10: as well. Now, the Transport Workers Union had been pushing
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Speaker 10: and urging, just as Michael Lee, to impose the maximum penalty,
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Speaker 10: which was potentially one hundred and twenty one million dollars.
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Speaker 10: And that's on top of the one hundred and twenty
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Speaker 10: million dollars that quite has already paid out to those
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Speaker 10: workers as compensation. But it's about reputation, and this is
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Speaker 10: really something that Vanessa Hudson's been seeking to restore at Quatas,
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Speaker 10: And this ninety million dollars is more about the reputational
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Speaker 10: loss than the actual financial loss. Given the fact that
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Speaker 10: the company is likely to turn up with a full
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Speaker 10: year profit on Thursday next week of around two point
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Speaker 10: six two point seven billion dollars.
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Speaker 2: WHOA, WHOA, So I guess it's got that bill covered then. Look,
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Speaker 2: I've heard people say that what Quantus was doing was
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Speaker 2: a necessary thing to try and stay in business during
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Speaker 2: the COVID shutdowns and all that kind of stuff. Well,
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Speaker 2: was it just really an attempt by Quantas to tame
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Speaker 2: the unions? What's the real story here? What was so
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Speaker 2: bad about it?
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Speaker 10: Hindsight being hindsight, One thing was that really Quotas was
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Speaker 10: trying to cap cost There's no doubt about that at
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Speaker 10: a time when clearly they thought they needed.
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Speaker 1: To do so urgently. So that's the first thing.
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Speaker 10: The second thing, though, was a lot of companies take
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Speaker 10: really uncertain times, unstable times, as the opportunity to make
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Speaker 10: difficult decisions they wouldn't be able to normally do in
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Speaker 10: ordinary circumstances. And so that is where there is some
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Speaker 10: cynicism about what Quantus did, and which has been picked
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Speaker 10: up by Justice Michael Lee in not only his first
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Speaker 10: decision but the second. But where it was highly critical
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Speaker 10: of Quotas was the fact that it came out and
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Speaker 10: said that it was going to appeal a decision without,
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Speaker 10: in his words, it having given any due sort of
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Speaker 10: research into the actual decision and why he made that
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Speaker 10: decision in the first place. So he said that really
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Speaker 10: smacked of the arrogance of Quotas at that period of time.
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Speaker 1: That needed to change internally.
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Speaker 10: The other aspect of this was really as a deterrant
22:51
Speaker 10: to prevent other companies considering taking similar action. Now, the
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Speaker 10: Transport Workers Union quite clearly they had really significant sort
23:01
Speaker 10: of if you like, dog in this fight, because it
23:03
Speaker 10: needed to try and establish that he'd had some sort
23:07
Speaker 10: of if you like, rights over those workers, which it
23:09
Speaker 10: now has been discovered to have had. But there is
23:12
Speaker 10: a big issue here also for the productivity and Economic
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Speaker 10: roundtable that the government's about to embark upon, because companies
23:19
Speaker 10: do not, you know, always stay the same. They grow
23:22
Speaker 10: or they shrink, but they're never the same. And this
23:25
Speaker 10: is the reason why some of the industrial relations policies
23:28
Speaker 10: that the government has implemented have really helped to really
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Speaker 10: bring productivity down in this country because you're trying to
23:35
Speaker 10: wrap almost manacles around many of our biggest companies without
23:39
Speaker 10: giving them the flexibility to either increase easily the size
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Speaker 10: of their workforce or to shrink it when they necessarily
23:46
Speaker 10: have to. I think that's a big key from trying
23:49
Speaker 10: to maintain a very dynamic economy.
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Speaker 2: Very good point, because in the end, Contents was trying
23:55
Speaker 2: to do it too. As you say, cut coughs I
23:57
Speaker 2: think and get some flexibility into it. And now bang,
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Speaker 2: I'm not excusing how it went about it. I'm just
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Speaker 2: saying this is, as you put it, one more manical.
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Speaker 2: But speaking of productivity, I mean the avenue to government
24:11
Speaker 2: will tomorrow open its three day economic roundtable, twenty five
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Speaker 2: hand picked experts, business leaders, union bosses, too many union
24:20
Speaker 2: bosses and looking at productivity, but also other things the
24:24
Speaker 2: government might do, like I'll impose new taxes.
24:29
Speaker 1: What are you.
24:29
Speaker 2: Expecting about from this because the agenda seems all over
24:32
Speaker 2: the shop.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I know, and it just seems really in many ways,
24:36
Speaker 10: the time taken for this productivity and Economic roundtable is
24:41
Speaker 10: time taken that decisions could have been made. The problem
24:45
Speaker 10: for Australia is a political process and the decision making
24:48
Speaker 10: is so slow in a fast moving world of artificial
24:52
Speaker 10: intelligence where it is coming on so fast. And the
24:55
Speaker 10: fact of the matter is that Australia has lot You know,
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Speaker 10: really this round tape be about productivity in the economy,
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Speaker 10: could be, it really should be about competitiveness.
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Speaker 1: Australia has lost competitiveness.
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Speaker 10: Our energy prices are too high, our wages are too high,
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Speaker 10: our taxes are too high, and multinational companies are either
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Speaker 10: not coming here in the case of Chevron, and I
25:16
Speaker 10: spoke to the chief executive globally of Chevron who said,
25:20
Speaker 10: we've embarked on some of the biggest projects in Australia.
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Speaker 1: We're not putting any more money in because we've got
25:26
Speaker 1: other places to go.
25:27
Speaker 10: I speak to the boss of Bluescope Steel today, our
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Speaker 10: biggest steelmaker, who says, we're an Australian company to our bootstraps.
25:33
Speaker 10: But guess what, we make more money in America than
25:36
Speaker 10: we are here because energy prices are too high in Australia.
25:39
Speaker 10: And so when you hear that constantly from these business
25:43
Speaker 10: leaders who are picking up that capital and moving it overseas,
25:46
Speaker 10: you realize that really this is about Australia's competitiveness and
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Speaker 10: we are way behind at the moment, and this Productivity
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Speaker 10: and Economic roundtable will do nothing. I promise you to
25:57
Speaker 10: improve competitiveness, nothing about energys, nothing about wages. And ultimately,
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Speaker 10: if you're trying to raise taxes and not cut them,
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Speaker 10: how does that improve our competitiveness?
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Speaker 1: It doesn't.
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Speaker 2: Ross, I'm afraid you are absolutely correct. Ross Green would
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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time. Okay, after they
26:19
Speaker 2: break the incredible sinking liberal patty water on Earth is
26:22
Speaker 2: wrong with them. But look who's just getting record support,
26:26
Speaker 2: and I don't mean the Prime minister. Boy, it's no
26:33
Speaker 2: better for the coalition. Two new polls today show voters
26:36
Speaker 2: are thinking the new officition leaders is in Lease. Seems
26:39
Speaker 2: nice enough those who know who she is, but they
26:42
Speaker 2: still wouldn't vote for her a lot if anything. The
26:45
Speaker 2: opposite newsport today shows a very slight tick up and
26:48
Speaker 2: the coalition's primary voter is still miserable thirty percent. But
26:52
Speaker 2: look at one nation out nine percent, it's probably that's
26:56
Speaker 2: about the highest it's had more for seven years. Is
27:00
Speaker 2: the equal high from the high then, and it's more
27:03
Speaker 2: than the National's god at the election. But even after preferences,
27:07
Speaker 2: the Coalition is still miles behind Labor, just forty four
27:10
Speaker 2: to fifty six. That's even worse than it the election.
27:13
Speaker 2: But the resolved poll in nine newspapers that I was
27:16
Speaker 2: even more damning. Another fall in the two party vote
27:19
Speaker 2: to a disastrous forty one percent for the Coalition fifty
27:23
Speaker 2: nine for Labor.
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Speaker 1: No, I know the.
27:25
Speaker 2: Coalition is still in the post election blues, but I
27:28
Speaker 2: see no sign that has got convictions or cut through.
27:32
Speaker 2: Things are so bad that even though only a quarter
27:34
Speaker 2: of voters in the resolved poll back Anthony Albanize's ridiculous
27:38
Speaker 2: decision to recognize the Palace in the state a new quarter,
27:41
Speaker 2: his popularity has actually gone up. The criticism isn't sticking
27:46
Speaker 2: Join me. A former Federal Labor MP Michael Damby was
27:48
Speaker 2: chairman of the Joint Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Defense
27:51
Speaker 2: and Trade and former Laby Senator Steve Conroy a former
27:55
Speaker 2: Covenant minister Michael Danby, how do you read these polls?
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Speaker 11: Bates delivered Australia into the hands of socialist left government.
28:04
Speaker 11: It's not a traditional labor government. The preferential system, the
28:09
Speaker 11: complete failure of the Liberals, the awfulness of the mainstream
28:13
Speaker 11: media in Canberra. They lay down and let Albow decree
28:19
Speaker 11: that there are to be no follow up questions at
28:21
Speaker 11: press conferences. We've eventually got a one party stayed in Australia.
28:26
Speaker 11: Alba is control of all of the information, all of
28:29
Speaker 11: the pre selections, and things aren't going to change with
28:32
Speaker 11: a ninety three seat majority.
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Speaker 2: One party state might be a bit harsh, but you
28:39
Speaker 2: know though, they're Stephen Michael wouldn't be the first. I mean,
28:43
Speaker 2: here you've got Anthony Albanezi having almost a record dominance
28:48
Speaker 2: in Parliament, you know, level of control of apartment, the numbers,
28:53
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, pole number soaring, and yet no
28:58
Speaker 2: one really talks about him on power with Bob Hawk
29:01
Speaker 2: or GoF Whitnam units is to berate him. No one
29:05
Speaker 2: puts him in that pantheon of labor bigs. Why would
29:08
Speaker 2: that be?
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Speaker 12: Well, look, I think if you look back to the
29:13
Speaker 12: Bob Hawk comparison, I mean Hawkey won to Know three
29:17
Speaker 12: and calling the election in mid eighty four, I think
29:20
Speaker 12: and went backwards. So I think Hawk went on over
29:24
Speaker 12: time to become the revered reformer with Paul Keating that
29:30
Speaker 12: we talk about today. But if you look back to
29:32
Speaker 12: that first eighteen months and then the election, I don't
29:36
Speaker 12: think he set the world on fire. And you know
29:38
Speaker 12: we all worship Bob Hawk. But to pick you know,
29:41
Speaker 12: the end point and say Albo is not living up
29:45
Speaker 12: to the end point ignores that early points. I think
29:49
Speaker 12: the people of Australia are rewarding Albow for his steady
29:53
Speaker 12: and measured approach he's taking in an incredibly uncertain world.
29:59
Speaker 12: I think his support for the Ukraine, despite Trump selling
30:03
Speaker 12: the matters you so, you know, so brilliantly articulated earlier,
30:08
Speaker 12: I think is standing up to China and restoring links
30:13
Speaker 12: in terms of trade. So people see that Albow is
30:16
Speaker 12: steering the middle ground, sensible and measured, and I think
30:20
Speaker 12: that's why people are responding in the war and the polls.
30:24
Speaker 12: But could I just say, I know it's it seems
30:27
Speaker 12: like they're doom and.
30:29
Speaker 1: Death for the Liberal Party.
30:30
Speaker 12: Political cycles turn very quickly, so while I think the
30:35
Speaker 12: Liberals have got a lot of work to do to
30:37
Speaker 12: recover from the disastrous election campaign, in no way should
30:41
Speaker 12: people jump on the bandwagon to say they're finished.
30:44
Speaker 1: They will rebuild. It may take.
30:45
Speaker 12: A bit longer than some ones, but they will rebuilds
30:50
Speaker 12: and they will become a political force in Australia over
30:53
Speaker 12: the next four or five years.
30:57
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think they've got to know what they
30:58
Speaker 2: stand for first, and that's a pretty damning first step
31:03
Speaker 2: that they haven't taken. Michael Donald Trump's Pentagon is reviewing
31:08
Speaker 2: whether it can afford to sell us the three nuclear
31:10
Speaker 2: submarines have promised that we've been paying already paying for
31:15
Speaker 2: and there's been a warning already last week that we
31:18
Speaker 2: don't seem a good ally to trust with the submarines,
31:20
Speaker 2: not to help against China in the crunch, and now
31:24
Speaker 2: Mike Huckabee, Trump's ambassador to Israels is Trump and his
31:28
Speaker 2: team are disgusted with this government for recognize the palace
31:31
Speaker 2: in his state and seeming to reward howms Terra series
31:33
Speaker 2: last week.
31:35
Speaker 6: Have you discussed this issue with Donald Trump?
31:37
Speaker 13: President Trump, absolutely, and we've discussed it at the State
31:42
Speaker 13: department level with the Secretary. There's an enormous level of
31:47
Speaker 13: disappointment and some discussed.
31:50
Speaker 2: Like a lot of Australians now don't like or trust
31:53
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. But any discussed his team have with Australia
31:58
Speaker 2: that could surely cost us, including potentially these submarines, couldn't it.
32:04
Speaker 11: Harperley's book To Kill a Mockingbird's theme is you don't
32:07
Speaker 11: understand someone until you stand inside their shoes. Imagine you
32:10
Speaker 11: were a Trumpist or in the Pentagon. Would you really
32:15
Speaker 11: trust Elbow after that seven days visit to China to
32:19
Speaker 11: steer the submarines from West Australia in support of the
32:23
Speaker 11: United States. If there was a full out military conflict,
32:26
Speaker 11: I'd have my doubts if I was one of them.
32:28
Speaker 11: So discussed, Mate, that was the rudest interview I have
32:33
Speaker 11: ever seen on the ABC, and that's.
32:36
Speaker 1: A low bar.
32:38
Speaker 11: But disgusted was because the Yanks and Qatar had actually
32:42
Speaker 11: got har Must to agree to a ceasefire, and then
32:46
Speaker 11: Australia and all of the geniuses pulled the.
32:49
Speaker 5: Plug on it by saying it should be unilateral.
32:52
Speaker 11: No wonder the Americans are disgusted at that level, but
32:55
Speaker 11: I don't think they're going to hold it against Australia
32:57
Speaker 11: because Australia is too important to them. They're going to
33:01
Speaker 11: be very, very careful and cagey about the whole reaction
33:05
Speaker 11: to Australia.
33:08
Speaker 1: What do you think?
33:08
Speaker 2: How do you read this, Stephen? I mean I've seen
33:12
Speaker 2: no one actually say, look, we are actually thinking of
33:16
Speaker 2: taking the submarines from you because you are a rotten ally,
33:19
Speaker 2: although there have been some warnings that we better be
33:21
Speaker 2: a better one. How do you read it?
33:25
Speaker 12: Look, I think Michael is right. Australia's geography dictates that
33:31
Speaker 12: the US need to maintain a constructive relationship, if not
33:36
Speaker 12: at the presidential level. And you know, I want to
33:39
Speaker 12: get bored with people trying to blame Albow for this dysfunction.
33:44
Speaker 12: Donald Trump has just proven and you've just eloquently articulated
33:48
Speaker 12: why he's not.
33:49
Speaker 2: A reliable ally.
33:51
Speaker 1: You just yourself said earlier.
33:53
Speaker 12: You know, if there's a fight over Taiwan, no one
33:56
Speaker 12: will believe Trump will turn up or why does anyone
33:58
Speaker 12: think that will turn up? Or us if people have
34:02
Speaker 12: got so little conference. I mean, the most disturbing thing
34:04
Speaker 12: in those parts we were talking about earlier, because more
34:06
Speaker 12: people are afraid of Trump and it's tariff insanity than
34:12
Speaker 12: they are of Z's military build up. That is just
34:15
Speaker 12: that is a shocking place for Australian's heads to be out.
34:20
Speaker 12: They are not remotely on the same level in and.
34:23
Speaker 2: If that's the case, yeah, I agree. Look, the thing is,
34:29
Speaker 2: the thing is, whatever you think of Trump, he still
34:31
Speaker 2: is our biggest, most important ally, the one that we
34:36
Speaker 2: have to look to to protect us if it all
34:38
Speaker 2: goes through smoke. But Michael, there is still no American
34:44
Speaker 2: ambassady here after nine months. Now, why would that be?
34:48
Speaker 11: Well, you've also had democratic administrations who failed to appoint
34:52
Speaker 11: ambassadors quickly, but I think that they have a low
34:56
Speaker 11: regard for Australia. The Trump administration. It's not a priority
35:00
Speaker 11: ready for them. They think that pine gaps here and
35:03
Speaker 11: the Australians are paying up money for the submarines in advance.
35:07
Speaker 11: They'll just treat us, you know, with kid gloves, slowly, casually,
35:13
Speaker 11: but they will look for some revenge for the failure
35:15
Speaker 11: to increase defense expenditures or to torpedo their Middle East policies.
35:22
Speaker 2: Stephen Connor and Michael Danby, thank you very much to
35:24
Speaker 2: you both. After the break, the media buzz yet another
35:29
Speaker 2: anti Israel colm, in fact two of them. Why is
35:34
Speaker 2: the media so easily for Hamas to fall? Well, another
35:42
Speaker 2: anti Israel hopes exposed. Caution, I'm about to show you
35:46
Speaker 2: some confronting pictures, including another fake example of Israel supposedly
35:51
Speaker 2: starving Palasinian children to death and the media just running
35:54
Speaker 2: this promus propaganda. Eventually before how even our Prime minister
35:59
Speaker 2: fell for the claims this one year old boy pictured
36:01
Speaker 2: behind him was being starved at food by the Israelis,
36:04
Speaker 2: And how it turned out his brother was well fed
36:07
Speaker 2: and the one year old actually had severe pre existing conditions,
36:11
Speaker 2: including cerebral palsy. Now exactly the same trick as we
36:14
Speaker 2: played again, we saw as in the Guardian and many
36:17
Speaker 2: other papers in other nations even repeated it, how Israel
36:21
Speaker 2: starving this girl Mary Anne and all of these outlets
36:26
Speaker 2: like Sky News UK once again believing the very worst
36:29
Speaker 2: of Israel.
36:31
Speaker 8: Mariam Maniziela.
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Speaker 14: Mariam suffered from malnutrition ever since we were displaced from
36:36
Speaker 14: the north to Rafa because of the famine that was
36:38
Speaker 14: in the south. We went through a famine, but it
36:41
Speaker 14: wasn't worse than the one we were in now.
36:43
Speaker 15: And the thing is, doctors and aid workers tell us
36:50
Speaker 15: that each of the few remaining hospitals in Gaza are
36:53
Speaker 15: filled with cases like hers.
36:56
Speaker 2: Yet again, Mariam has a well fed mother and it
37:00
Speaker 2: turns out a well fed brother. And the truth is
37:05
Speaker 2: that she actually has intestinal malabsorption. Her body cannot absorb
37:11
Speaker 2: nutrients and she's being treated right now with IV fluids,
37:15
Speaker 2: potassium chloride, vitamin A, antibiotics and more to treated. That
37:19
Speaker 2: doesn't sound like a starvation regime. Joining me, Alsa Goddard,
37:22
Speaker 2: former foreign correspondent and founder of Adoni Media. Stephen Chrevoura,
37:26
Speaker 2: an author and senior lecturer in history at Campion College.
37:31
Speaker 2: Lisa Britain's BBC also fell for the anti Israel Propaganda
37:35
Speaker 2: wrote that a Ghazan woman flowing to Itsaly dies of
37:38
Speaker 2: malnutrition was shocking story of true. Israel apparently killed there,
37:43
Speaker 2: but researcher David Collier has found her hospital records the
37:46
Speaker 2: discovers she actually had advanced leukemia. What is going on here?
37:52
Speaker 2: Again and again and again.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, Andrew, it is disgraceful. And you're a former journalist,
37:59
Speaker 16: you unders and it was meant to be fair and
38:01
Speaker 16: balanced reporting. You're meant to do your research. What these
38:04
Speaker 16: Western journalists are falling for is just outright propaganda, and
38:07
Speaker 16: they're laundering it and as quickly as it goes around
38:09
Speaker 16: the globe, you're seeing headlines that are a motive, pulling
38:12
Speaker 16: on heartstrings. It's all very deliberate, and they're being used
38:15
Speaker 16: as tools and not doing the job they're supposed to
38:17
Speaker 16: be doing. The problem is when they do, and some
38:20
Speaker 16: of them only ever put up in an admission that hey,
38:23
Speaker 16: we may have got this role. Well, here's what the
38:25
Speaker 16: actual truth is. It's so tiny that it's not the
38:28
Speaker 16: size of the headlines of the front page news that
38:30
Speaker 16: has already done the damage to Israel. It's hidden away
38:33
Speaker 16: because I don't want to admit that they've actually been
38:35
Speaker 16: sucked into this propaganda, just like our prime minister. The
38:37
Speaker 16: Prime Minister was very quick to accept that image that
38:40
Speaker 16: you just showed, very quick to accept what the death
38:42
Speaker 16: toll figures were that were coming out from her mask.
38:45
Speaker 16: But then when he then gets praised by her mask,
38:47
Speaker 16: well suddenly that's propaganda. So it's a very murky area.
38:51
Speaker 16: But sadly, you're seeing journalists now who are looking at
38:54
Speaker 16: it not through the lens of editorial judgment.
38:56
Speaker 11: Like we would have.
38:57
Speaker 16: They're looking at it through ideology, and that is just
38:59
Speaker 16: as dangerous the rockets that are being fired at Israel.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Stephen, that we're in an era now
39:07
Speaker 2: of the useful lie. You know, it doesn't matter if
39:11
Speaker 2: it's untrue. What matters is the cause, So just use anything.
39:17
Speaker 2: Because these examples I give, I've seen almost no one
39:21
Speaker 2: the New York Times accepted publish a retraction.
39:26
Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
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Speaker 17: You've hit the nail on the head. It's the age
39:30
Speaker 17: of activist journalism. The sad fact is that a lot
39:35
Speaker 17: of journalists simply want to believe the worst about Israel,
39:39
Speaker 17: and they want to believe the best about Harmas, and
39:42
Speaker 17: that is cashing out in these kinds of Hammas propagandas
39:48
Speaker 17: Hamas propaganda being unquestioningly.
39:50
Speaker 1: Accepted by journalists. And it has to be said, a
39:53
Speaker 1: lot of.
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Speaker 17: This is a function of a revolution that took place
39:56
Speaker 17: in the universities over the last few decades, where university
40:00
Speaker 17: have more or less become factories of leftist group think,
40:03
Speaker 17: and aspiring journalists go and do humanity's degrees and learn
40:07
Speaker 17: that Israel, not to mention, Australia and America are nothing
40:11
Speaker 17: more than set the colonial states that have no right
40:13
Speaker 17: to exist in a genocidal by nature. And so they
40:16
Speaker 17: go out to speak truth to power. But what that
40:19
Speaker 17: really means is just jumping on all the leftist causes
40:22
Speaker 17: and right now that happens to be hatred towards Israel.
40:27
Speaker 2: And it works. I mean, tonight, a Lisa, there's a
40:31
Speaker 2: protest outside a hairdress a shop in Victoria in Bentley
40:35
Speaker 2: where a hairdresserre allegedly refused to cut this is raety
40:38
Speaker 2: Man's hair.
40:40
Speaker 18: So I was looking online to find a place to
40:43
Speaker 18: cut my hair, my curly hair, and I thought she
40:44
Speaker 18: specialized in curly hair here and des Salon, and so
40:48
Speaker 18: I booked the appointment from Monday at twelfth and once
40:51
Speaker 18: I came here said hi, and then she heard my
40:54
Speaker 18: accent and shost me out where you form? I'm from
40:57
Speaker 18: Israel and you know.
41:00
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
41:01
Speaker 18: Once I left, she told me she called me a
41:04
Speaker 18: baby killer, and yeah, she closed, she closed the door.
41:09
Speaker 2: The reporter Amy from Rebel News then went to ask
41:11
Speaker 2: the headress about this allegation, which I'm not saying is true.
41:14
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's been made.
41:16
Speaker 1: What's your name?
41:18
Speaker 2: My producer booked it under what name?
41:21
Speaker 5: Okay, you booked an under false pregment to get it out.
41:23
Speaker 2: Why are you saying that because you're not here to
41:26
Speaker 2: have a haircut.
41:28
Speaker 7: He'd ask you why you kicked someone out when you
41:30
Speaker 7: found out they were Israeli?
41:32
Speaker 1: Why did you do with a baby killer?
41:34
Speaker 10: Now?
41:34
Speaker 1: Cough?
41:36
Speaker 7: Do you always ask people with ethnic accents where they
41:40
Speaker 7: come from?
41:40
Speaker 5: You don't leave me a review?
41:41
Speaker 18: Well, I think she's typical walk You know she love
41:44
Speaker 18: everyone but you, But you hate that?
41:46
Speaker 1: Is really you always do?
41:47
Speaker 2: You always ask people with ethnic background.
41:50
Speaker 1: You always ask people with.
41:52
Speaker 5: Trespassed.
41:53
Speaker 2: I need my deposit back. I need my deposit back
41:56
Speaker 2: through I would like my deposit.
41:58
Speaker 1: I'll leave it my deposit.
41:59
Speaker 8: You you kick somebody out, do you know that's against
42:02
Speaker 8: the lord to kick somebody?
42:03
Speaker 5: Actually?
42:04
Speaker 7: The Racial Discrimination Act based on nationality.
42:07
Speaker 2: Israeli's on a race, Lisa, What do you make of that?
42:14
Speaker 16: Yeah, welcome to modern day Australia, Andrew. And it's being
42:18
Speaker 16: fueled by all of the images that we see that
42:20
Speaker 16: are across the news. I know we will talk a
42:22
Speaker 16: little bit later about protests, but when you look at
42:24
Speaker 16: what happened on Sydney Harbor Bridge and the coverage of
42:27
Speaker 16: this gets, I would be very interested to go and
42:29
Speaker 16: ask a number of people who are on that bridge
42:31
Speaker 16: exactly what the issues are because they're reading the garbage
42:35
Speaker 16: has been put out through Western media that are anti Israel,
42:38
Speaker 16: but they're not actually asking any hard questions and the
42:40
Speaker 16: result is a woman like this.
42:42
Speaker 8: Now.
42:42
Speaker 16: Could you imagine the outcry if it was someone from
42:45
Speaker 16: Palestine who'd gone in there and had been told no, no,
42:47
Speaker 16: I'm not going to cut your hair that isn't covered.
42:50
Speaker 16: And I'm glad that this is out there now because
42:52
Speaker 16: people can actually see what Jewish people in this country
42:55
Speaker 16: in twenty twenty five are actually experiencing.
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Speaker 2: It's just discussing. I just wonder what's gone in the
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Speaker 2: heads of some of the left. I mean Stephen and
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Speaker 2: Rally and Melbourne on Saturday. But women wanted for you know,
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Speaker 2: women wanting safe spaces for women who are born women
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Speaker 2: confronted by pro transgender radicals who didn't want them to
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Speaker 2: have their own protests, dressed in black and mass just
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Speaker 2: like neo Nazis radicals who'd clashed with police for arrested
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Speaker 2: to hurt. How come such protests now seem so prone
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Speaker 2: to violence? And what happened to torrance and inclusion all
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Speaker 2: the other things that left Babylon about I think.
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Speaker 1: You know something.
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Speaker 17: I think you know since twenty sixteen, the left has
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Speaker 17: sort of gone into a kind of derangement since sort
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Speaker 17: of the Trump years, and now just violence is becoming
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Speaker 17: just a modus operandi.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 17: We talk a lot in Australia and in the West
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Speaker 17: in general about misogyny, But if you want misogyny, there
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Speaker 17: is not a more misogynistic movement right now than the
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Speaker 17: trans movement. The trans movement wants to erase the category
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Speaker 17: of women completely. It wants men to be able to
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Speaker 17: enter into women's spaces. It wants women to be in
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Speaker 17: situations where they are vulnerable to men, and it also
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Speaker 17: objects to women having any right to be able to
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Speaker 17: speak out against it, as you have seen here. I
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Speaker 17: in my lifetime have never seen such an anti woman
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Speaker 17: movement as the militant trans movement, and it's on full
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Speaker 17: display right here.
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Speaker 2: Steve Javera, Lisa God, thank you very much. We might
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Speaker 2: actually ask you to hang on for after the break
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Speaker 2: because we're having a little communications trouble with Esther Kraku
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Speaker 2: from London and it would be a pleasure for the
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Speaker 2: audience to see what wins out you guys or Esther more.
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Speaker 2: After this, I'll ask again why do leftist radical seem
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Speaker 2: so prone to violence in Britain? A labor councilor Ricky
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Speaker 2: Jones even to a leftist protest is to cut the
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Speaker 2: throats of people demonstrating against mass immigration?
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Speaker 11: Here?
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Speaker 14: Is they? Are they not?
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Speaker 2: Are?
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Speaker 5: We need to hold us and get with them alone?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Despite where you just heard, the jury last week
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Speaker 2: clear Jones of inciting violence joining me from London? Is
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Speaker 2: it's the Kraku writer, broadcaster and commentator. Yes, so great
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Speaker 2: to see that this verdict has caused huge controversy. Why
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Speaker 2: is that?
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Speaker 19: Well, because you can't help, but draw parallels with the
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Speaker 19: infamous Lucy Connolly case, who received thirty one months in
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Speaker 19: prison and is still actually currently in prison for a
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Speaker 19: deleted tweet about asylum hotels during the Southport riots last year,
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Speaker 19: and she received thirty one months because she was basically
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Speaker 19: pressured into pleading guilty, which is a tactic that the
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Speaker 19: state has been using, saying that you're not going to
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Speaker 19: get a jury trial for the next three years, so
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Speaker 19: you might as well plead guilty so you don't rotten prison.
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Speaker 19: But if she had chosen a jury trial, she would
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Speaker 19: have received likely the same result as this man who
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Speaker 19: arguably said something vile right slitting the throats of people.
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Speaker 19: We don't want their communities fundamentally changed by mass immigration.
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Speaker 19: But it's getting to walk scott free. And again it's
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Speaker 19: just calling just drawing back to these accusations of two
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Speaker 19: tierkre two tier justice here in Britain, where you know
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Speaker 19: the Home Office is setting up anti migrant rhetoric task
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Speaker 19: forces to basically scour the internet for anti migrant rhetoric
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Speaker 19: instead of doing what the people want them to do
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Speaker 19: and stop putting up random men showing up on our
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Speaker 19: shores and hotels. And stop allowing mass immigration into a
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Speaker 19: very overpopulated island. So you know, you can't help but
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Speaker 19: be disgusted by this, by this two tier justice that
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Speaker 19: we're clearly seeing.
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Speaker 2: Who was on the jury. I mean I saw a
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Speaker 2: report that you had non British citizens on the jury.
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Speaker 2: I didn't even know that was possible.
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Speaker 19: Yes, I mean, so Jewy trials have basically kind of
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Speaker 19: dwindled the numbers. So actually ninety percent of cases are
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Speaker 19: not tried by juries, they're tried by magistrates and judges,
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Speaker 19: so this sort of last ten percent. Actually the government
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Speaker 19: has been trying to reduce that number even further to
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Speaker 19: have fewer jury trials. But you know, regardless of where
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Speaker 19: these people come from, it's very clear that no one
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Speaker 19: should have to serve jail time for an angry tweet
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Speaker 19: or something that they said was vile, especially when at
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Speaker 19: any given time we don't even have more than one
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Speaker 19: hundred one hundred three prison spaces in England and Wales.
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Speaker 19: So where are we going to put these people? Are
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Speaker 19: we going to release more rapists and terrorists onto our
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Speaker 19: streets to make room for people that tweet things that
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Speaker 19: make people uncomfortable. It's completely ludicrous but you know, this
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Speaker 19: is clearly an example of someone who decided to go
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Speaker 19: for a jury trial and was found not guilty, and
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Speaker 19: in very similar circumstances, Lucy Conley would probably have been
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Speaker 19: found not guilty because no one would think of imprisoning
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Speaker 19: a first time offender and a mother no less to
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Speaker 19: thirty one months in prison for a deleted tweet.
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Speaker 2: You mentioned Ki, your Prime Minister, Key is Stamards rushing
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Speaker 2: out of Washington probably as we speak, along with other
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Speaker 2: European leads to talk to Donald Trump. What does he
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Speaker 2: hope to achieve?
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Speaker 19: I think he's hoping to avoid a kind of round
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Speaker 19: two that we saw between Zelenski and Donald Trump in
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Speaker 19: the White House a few months ago, which was quite unsightly.
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Speaker 19: But the reality is we don't really know what this
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Speaker 19: man is hoping to At any given time. He can't
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Speaker 19: stop running people turning up on our shores. Europe has
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Speaker 19: had three years, says the start of this Ukraine War,
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Speaker 19: to come to some sort of peace agreement. They haven't,
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Speaker 19: and so you know, trying to pressure Donald Trump to
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Speaker 19: do things their way, Well, why didn't they get on
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Speaker 19: with it? Why didn't they get on the job. Why
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Speaker 19: didn't they secure a peace deal. So I'm sure that
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Speaker 19: he wants to posture and make Ukraine's voice heard, as
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Speaker 19: we all want to. But at the end of the day,
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Speaker 19: it looks quite clearly like the ball is in America's court.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it sure does. And that is Europe's shame that
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Speaker 2: it hasn't been able to control its own security. It's
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Speaker 2: so crac who thank you very much for your time.
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Speaker 2: That's it for me, coming up next to Sharry Marks
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Speaker 2: and and I do urgue to keep watching because Sharry
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Speaker 2: has got an interview with someone who's the latest Israeli
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Speaker 2: politician banned by our immigration minister. Incredible. Good night