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Talks to Daniel Knight, Lucy McCaul & Dave Rennie about their choice of The Enemy of the World (2/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Hamster with a blunt. Pen knife for doing quicker.
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Welcome back to a Hamster with a blunt Pen Knife, the Doctor Who
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Commentary podcast, Joe Ford. You say, well, you just watch
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your step. So that's a very bad impression
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of of Donald Bruce, who's just turned up at the end of episode
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1 of of what are we enemy of the world and kept me brain in gear
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night. Come on.
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So I'm I'm sat here with Joe and Lucy and Dave and we're watching
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this wonderful recovered. I was going to say recently
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recovered, but it's 10 years ago.
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Goodness, over 10 years ago now. Time flies.
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Yeah, puts teeth in and back out.
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So, and I think we're, I think we're all enjoying it and
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certainly it's, it's, it's caused a great deal of
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discussion and, and so far we've had one, one attempt at the, at
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the salamander accent. So I thought I'd I thought I'd
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just try and do something different and.
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I'm just so happy. To have this very bad.
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Personal details on all three of you here in my dossier.
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And you know why? This is just a form of
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comprehensive insurance. There's nothing for you to worry
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about, my dear young man. I said I would support you.
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Young man, I think he's talking to you, Dave.
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He's. Certainly not talking to Lucy.
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What? Are you doing here Bros?
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Huh. Oh, that was great.
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Who did that one, Dave? Oh, that was.
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Great, Dave. Someone do the moon line?
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The what line? You know, you try, you fail.
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So the moon doesn't fall out of the sky.
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Sit down, have a drink. Oh, what is he?
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I don't think we're going to be able to beat yours.
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All right. Thank you.
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You've, I think you've called it the market.
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I don't. Worry about it.
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Any great surprise on a hamster with a blood pen knife?
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I'm the biggest ham of all. Is it?
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Why did I ever leave Woollamaloo?
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Oh, I love that fella. As well.
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Well, should we go into Episode 2 and see what it's all about?
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Yeah, I forgot. I totally lost track at the end
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of Episode 1 because we're having such an interesting
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discussion, but I'm sure we'll pick up the pace.
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Yes. Well, Bruce?
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Has arrived, and just at the just in the nick of time,
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salamander in inverted commas has arrived.
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The first of our many reversals of who's who.
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Absolutely yes. And Victoria has actually has
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actually told Bruce not to shout at her, so she's already showing
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a little more nerve than she generally does.
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And he's written a very fetch and pulling it.
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Absolutely. Well, it was 2018, apparently.
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Well, someone count us in then. From five or three.
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Whatever. You want to do do it in
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salamander though please. 54321. I hope that wasn't the accidents
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you were doing in your place. Oh God no.
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Didn't Deborah Watling ask him? Is he really Welsh?
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Oh. They were a bit naughty with
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each other. I don't mean that in a kinky
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way. I mean.
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They were. No, they were.
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They were having. I remember Fraser Heinz saying
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about how when they were doing evil of the Daleks and what a
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great sport Mario scoring was because he was joy.
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He's, you know, he's a massive * huge * and he was really joining
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in with, with all the goof goofing off that was going on as
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well. What about Sony Coldenaz?
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He sounded like a right who? What the bloody hell am I going
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to do with this Ice Warrior costume?
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Yeah, he sounded everybody. Everybody seemed to really like
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him, that they just everybody got him with him, right?
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Donald Bruce, the actor who's. Yeah, Colin Douglas, you will.
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He's also Reuben in horror. Fang Rock.
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Yes, he is. He's, I mean, for the for the
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time, he was quite a big, big name.
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I found out reading about he didn't.
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Enjoyed us at all, did he? No, I don't.
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Like it? No, I was reading he's, he's in,
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if you remember the early in the early 90s, Alan Blasdell did a
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drama called GBH starring Robert Lindsay and Michael Palin and
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Michael Palin did some scenes with Colin Douglas in that.
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And he's, he was sort of in his late 70s.
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He died not long after, sadly. And he had a had a lot of sort
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of doubt about learning the lines.
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And he was sort of towards the end of his career.
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And I think his wife had died not so long before that.
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But no, he was, I mean, he was in a big drama sort of late
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around this tunnel, maybe in the the early 70s called a family at
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war. And that's the thing about this
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season in particular. You've got very big names.
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You've got Victor Marvin, you've got Peter Barkworth, Peter
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Salas, Bill Kerr, who we've mentioned and and Colin Douglas
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as well. So it's not just JNT who was,
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you know, good at getting big names.
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Marius Goring, who you'd also. Yeah, very big, very big star
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Ronald Ronald Allen in the Dominators.
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You're saying that he's in horror fan rock?
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I mean, this just goes to show you what good character actors
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Doctor Who attracted because they don't seem at all the same
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person to me. No.
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Not at all. No, but then look at Patrick
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Trout now in that costume with his hair in disarray, how he was
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playing salamander. You know, they're just masters
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of their craft. I mean Patrick Toten and the
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likes of I forgot the name of it now, Clash of the Titans is it?
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He was in and and the Omen and. Oh, Sinbad, Sinbad in the eye of
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the tiger he was. Nothing like his Doctor Who.
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That fabulous old man in box of delights.
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If you and he's in the very first episode of Inspector Morse
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and you you watch that and he is nothing like the second doctor.
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You you are. I was creeped out by by watching
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him as that he was a really sort of CD sort of Peeping Tom, you
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know, light years away from. Oh yeah.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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No, I can't watch that in the The Dead of Jericho.
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The first episode of Morse had an amazing cast.
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James Lawrenson is fantastic as well.
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Yeah. Absolutely.
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I'm still trying to get over the first episode of Jonathan Creek,
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which had Colin Baker in the very first scene on the phone
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saying to a woman, come over here and make me bark like a
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dog. I was like, oh God.
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And he's got a ponytail as well. Actually, Paul McGann was in
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Inspector Morse with a ponytail, wasn't he?
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Because that was. The whole point.
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The whole point of that episode. Was that somebody was somebody
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was killed because they were seen through a blind with a
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ponytail and it was the wrong person?
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I think. So the doctor is now starting to
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suspect, I think. No, we're in Poland next now.
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Polonix Polonix was the thing in. 2018 actually it.
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Does. Yeah.
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Well. Also again it's it's.
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It's different to his collar and tie, so that's different as
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well. He does really good establishing
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shots of all the locations as well, doesn't he?
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This is Jonas. Klaxon.
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Oh, he's terrifying. Fantastic one, completely
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different. Yeah, he he cornered the Marcus
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in playing sort of very seedy, slightly camp characters.
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I mean, he's in the Android Invasion and the Invasion of
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Time as well, isn't he? I like him in the Android
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invasion he's. Yeah, I, I, I he doesn't give a
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bad performance in anything I've seen him in.
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He's in an episode of The Good Life as well.
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He's the, the guy who sells Tom good, the the loom.
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It's nothing like this, Nothing like this.
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Or indeed any of his other characters in Doctor Who.
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It's just one of those sort of character actors that you
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jobbing actors that come in and do a job and they're known by
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their their faces are known, but their names aren't necessarily
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well known. Dave, how do you how do you find
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him in this then, Dave? I think this is the best
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performance. He goes and doctors who I I
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personally think it's it's just so wonderfully sadistic.
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It's brilliant. I mean, in the next episode,
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which we'll get to obviously when he smashes the thing and
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the Cutler, the the cuddly, the the plates and then just sort of
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goes, well, you're not going to I wouldn't tell anyone about if
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I were you. And he's a big camp, isn't he,
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you? Know yeah, I think that's what
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he's all over. But he has a line, doesn't he,
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about. But I had a very enjoyable
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childhood, and you just know everything you need to know
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about this guy. You know, he was probably there
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torturing the cats and the dogs. I was going to say torturing
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small animals, probably faking in it.
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Definitely he's one. Of and there's a scene with him
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with Jamie and Victoria, which is really quite uncomfortable,
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where he's suggesting he's going to do pretty horrible things to
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her if Jamie doesn't do as he's told.
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But a part like that is an absolute gift for an actor that
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just because he can be nasty. Have you played a sadistic creep
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then, Dave? I've played a son that he
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strangled his wife twice in a play and stole from his mum and
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that was one of the first big bigger parts I did.
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I was lucky to get the part. You're so lovely.
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I mean, I'm sure you pulled it off just because of how I know
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you. I can't imagine you being this
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horrible strangler. And then a couple of years later
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I was able to play in Paris and the Crucible, who's just a nasty
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piece of work as well. That was great.
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That was hard to do because I I came off the stage every night
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and I was completely embarrassed because he was just so intense.
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And he had to scream at the end and go no and all that because
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he's what all crumbles down. But yeah, it's it's, it's like
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the best parts to play every ITC in the documentary.
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Says it's. Absolutely true.
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Yeah, it's absolutely true, because you get to do nasty
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things that you wouldn't normally do.
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You wouldn't have guns in your hand, and that normally would
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you? It's no.
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And. Here is they do say villains are
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the night. The actors who play villains are
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the nicest people. Roger Delgado again.
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Absolutely. Yeah.
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Oh, so we've got Controller Dennis here, who I really like.
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Yeah, George. Pravda, Pravda.
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Yeah, he's really good. Oh yeah, of course he's in
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Deadly Assassin, isn't he? Assassin, yeah.
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And everything. Else.
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Marshall, I will not let you. He's great.
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Isn't he? Oh, Faria.
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Oh, she's fantastic. She's brilliant.
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Let's do a round Robin on Faria Lucy.
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I think she's great. I love that there is a character
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who has agency and is doing her own.
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She's doing her own thing. She's not going to.
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She might get into a sort of uneasy alliance with Jamie and
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Victoria, possibly, but she doesn't trust anybody with good
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reason. And she's prepared to take the
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to be disparaged for working for Salamander in order to get to
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him and get her revenge. And yeah, I think she's really
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as as a sort of side character who potentially couldn't have
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had as much power and effect as she does.
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I think she does. She managed.
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She's obviously a really good actress and makes the most of
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the part. She's Desmond's wife in
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Desmond's. Do you remember that?
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Really. Yeah, she was.
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She watched that. Fabulous.
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Carmen's the Carmen Silvera. Is that her?
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Name No. That's not Carmen Silvera.
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What's her name? It's Carmen something.
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Thank you, Daniel. What do you think of Thoria
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then? I think she's fantastic.
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I think it's brilliant to have an actress of colour in this
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part of the, in this era of Doctor Who where not only, you
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know, not only as a speaking part was actually a very strong
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character. She is in a way a victim, but
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she's a victim of circumstance rather than sort of like
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defenses. She's quite a hard, hard
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character. And I think, I think Carrie,
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Carmen Monroe plays that really, really well.
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You know, she's, she's got a toughness, but she's also got a
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sort of sympathy and she's quite independent and she's quite
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knowing as well because she sort of runs rings around Federer in
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a little bit. Sort of, you know, he sort of
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doesn't quite understand what she's she's talking about.
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So she's really, she's very intelligent.
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She's not. She's a servant, but she's not,
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you know, she's not there just to be decoration, I think.
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Yeah. I mean, Carmen Monroe still with
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us, I believe. I I remember.
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I think she also did play school or did some children's show.
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I remember I was going to. Say her name sounded familiar
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and it must have been from something like that.
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Or play away maybe? Yeah.
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But she, yeah, Desmond's is, I think the thing that she was
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famous for. I think she did something in the
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70s with Lenny Henry as well. The Fosters.
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She's got real presence, doesn't she Like real personality?
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Beautiful, beautiful woman. I mean, she must be sort of, you
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know, sort of 20s, you know, during this.
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What do you think then, Dave? I think she's fabulous.
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Well, I mean the when she dies in a couple episodes of time,
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you really, really feel. Well, expecting isn't.
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It and yeah I mean and it hands it Benic as well, but it's great
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how she doesn't given to him as we were saying like she she
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basically says I'm not telling you anything you can kill me if.
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You want she basically says go to hell, doesn't she?
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Even though she knows she's dying, the.
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Suspect is lovely this but with Federan like Daniel said about
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how she just goes oh you never means I never.
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I never had time to check out so thanks for checking it for me.
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She has one line, you know, which I always keep in the back
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of my head. Sometimes we do what we have to
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do, not what we want to do. Yeah, it's a great line.
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And that's what she's prepared to do.
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She's talked herself into doing what she hates, to be around a
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man she absolutely loathes in order to get her revenge.
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Yes, she is. She's.
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Still like. 91. Wow.
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It's torture, isn't it, Dave I? Mean, I had a teacher at school
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like that, but no, it's just come on.
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Just go forward. Something who's luckily
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challenged themselves. I'm just thinking he's he's
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playing a losing game now. I think there's a really
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interesting line given to Salamander as well, where he
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goes she was hungry and he really he really enjoys her
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discomfort because he knows that she hates him and he's still
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controlling her You. Just used an interesting.
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Relationship. But yeah, I did.
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Yeah, I did. But it it, it reminds me a bit
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of the relationship between the Master and Lucy in Sound of
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Drums. It's that sort of he's really
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enjoying really making her life hell.
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It's it's quite uncomfortable, but it's it's it's unusually
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interesting. But Doctor Who that.
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She was. There it is.
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Yeah, only is. Only thing is now she has all
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the food she needs. Give me a drink.
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It's just, it's just done. He's loving playing this, isn't
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he? I mean, he's just.
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I do like these sets as well. I think it's a good well mounted
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production this, but you've got they're obviously doing a
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perspective shot there with the. But it's it's still giving the
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effect of indoors and outdoors. So you're still seeing through
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Windows and you're still trying to sort of stretch the scene a
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bit. Yeah, it was like earlier you
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had the cyclorama when they were sitting on the bench.
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That gun is a bit dramatic, isn't it?
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It's the future. All guns will be dramatic in the
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future. Apparently actually.
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That bulb did look like it went off at a distance, didn't it?
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Yeah, it's a it's back projection, isn't it, that bit
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Barry let's, you know, sort of thinking, thinking ahead and
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then. I mean, Jamie, I think is really
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brief here. I mean, this could have easily
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went wrong, but he he says, you know, well your security is
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drought enough and he could have easily just got killed by
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saying, but he's just. I'll tell you something, he's
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very pretty when he's in that black lever.
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Yes. Was it the?
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Costume. Designers and.
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Wet suits and black. I bet when the when the extras
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turned up they're like oh God again.
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No, Lucy, they were thinking of us.
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They were thinking of us. No, these things chafe.
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Dan, do you talk from experience?
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I've worn a wet suit before. Oh, really?
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We'll talk about Mike. I know there are no pictures.
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OK, it didn't happen then. All right.
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But I, yeah, I like that Jamie is now he's he's on his own now,
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but he he's obviously been coached what to say.
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But he's he's with the conversation.
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He's he's rolling with the conversation and he knows he's
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giving the right answers and yeah, and being convincing.
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Something happened. I was talking about this the
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other day when I covered season 6 and Strictly.
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Something happens to Jamie when Victoria leaves and Zoe comes in
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and Doug got. I love the dynamic, it's playful
19:07
and fun and their chemistry is amazing, but suddenly Jamie is a
19:11
bit dumb. Because the scripts.
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Play down to that quite a lot, whereas there's none of that
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here, though like you said, he's got a lot of agency here.
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No, because he's having to look after Victoria throughout the
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whole season. Anything to stop her wailing,
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Dave? Yeah.
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Yeah, but but also he's this is like you saying when you were
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talking about the Dominators with Fraser.
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I think about this place to his strengths because this is what
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he does. He's a he's a soldier.
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So he knows, OK, the weapons aren't for the weapons aren't
19:47
familiar to him. But he's he's he's not daft,
19:50
he's cunning. He may not know what a
19:52
helicopter is, but he's not. He's not dim.
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And here he comes. It does show that.
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Yeah, it does show that. Projection is incredible.
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Sorry, Daniel. I said it does show that an, an
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historical companion can work. And he just, he's sort of
20:11
similar to Leela. He's not educated, but he's not
20:14
stupid. So he, and you know, he's got
20:17
that instinct as a fighter, as a, as a, as a, not necessarily,
20:21
you know, soldier or sort of like a warrior, you know, that
20:25
he's got that instinct to survive and that instinct to
20:28
know who to trust and who not to trust.
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But they knew exactly what they were doing with him as well.
20:34
He's got that sort of Beatles cart.
20:36
He's cute as hell. Fraser Hines is so charming.
20:39
Like I can imagine the demographic opening out to
20:42
Doctor Who having a companion like Fraser Hines in the show.
20:46
And again, it's David Whittaker, who if you look at evil of the
20:49
Daleks, that's one of the that's one of the the most well written
20:53
that Jamie ever is. You know that scene?
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Argument. Yeah, absolutely.
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And that's, that gives Fraser Heinz some really good material,
21:01
not just the argument, but pretty much all the way through.
21:05
And look at that smile. He's such a cheeky so and so as
21:08
well, isn't he? Oh, you can definitely see my
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women fall from. Not just the women die.
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Not just the women. No, you know, it's.
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Oh, there's there's. There's a bomb again.
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There's a lot of crawling under this jetty, isn't there?
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Isn't this used Yeti? Yes.
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Isn't that the one where where it leads to the underground
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base? Doesn't it You go down a tunnel?
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I'm. Not sure if it's there.
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No, I don't think it is, no. Oh, man, I can't wait till we
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get to those biz. You've got those two fabulous
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ones down there. They're merry Salamander.
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Take me with you. Why didn't you take me?
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Yeah, they're, they're a bit of a dull bunch, but we'll get to
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them, see. This is nothing you got, you
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got. Dennis is in a bit of an
21:53
impossible situation, in a position of power, but he's
21:55
basically a Patsy and Salamander's trying to control
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him and he won't have it because he won't do what he's told.
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He's frames. The trouble with it is we watch
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episode 3 but without any of the context of episode 2.
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Don't understand why it was all important.
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You have to watch it as it goes along.
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But he's very charming as well. I love the bit in three where
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Victoria's like, can I sit down? And he goes, Oh yes, you know,
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I'd be very pleased with your company.
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How? How would you expect me to have
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a steak with a spoon? Yeah, yeah.
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A book on foreign travel, perhaps?
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I don't know where in the world you're off to.
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Do you know Clacton? Oh, she is average.
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The Bond girl. Look her with that gun.
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She's just fab. Or an adventure like you say it.
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You can. Oh.
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Absolutely. Yeah, it was.
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It was. She was up for the part of of
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Tara King and it was that it was her and an actress called Tracy
23:02
Reed and and Linda Thorsten. The lies assure you I like the
23:08
guy. This guy's actually as well.
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Sorry for talk, but actually it's this veteran.
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Are we such a weasel? Wouldn't he?
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Oh. Yeah, it's this lies that would
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damage me. You found out things about me.
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Just an insurance. Down.
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Forget it permanently. This is my blackmail folder.
23:32
Do you know? Actually I've got to tell you
23:33
guys, right? And you know, some of you are
23:35
involved in this, so pay attention.
23:39
But on these on these zoom calls, OK, obviously I'll recall
23:43
the beginning, the and the middle where we actually talk
23:45
about the episodes and the end. And I'm in the process of
23:48
creating the hamster blackmail super cut where everyone says
23:53
horrible things about people. And unless they send me their
23:56
target books, I'll release it. No, I'm not doing that.
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So I've. Only got 1 target book it's.
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Just a form of comprehensive insurance you understand.
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Oh, what? Well, I'm not surprised it's
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that one. Now I think this guy is, is it
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David Netheim? I apologise if I've pronounced
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his surname incorrectly, but I think his son went on to be a
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director of some Doctor Who stories.
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Oh. Some Steven Moffett ones, yes.
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Not Saul Metzine, is it? No, I think it was a Daniel.
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I think it's Daniel Netheim. What episodes did he direct
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Daniel I'm. Just going to have a look see.
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I'll just take the glasses off. Quick everyone keep talking
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while he's researching so to cover it.
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Up Well, we're good to see the stock footage, yes, using
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Inferno as well. I know.
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Don't. You see that whole building is
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crumbling and things as well, yeah.
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Yeah. It's quite effective.
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I think in black and white. You can get away with stock
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footage in a way that in Carla it's very obvious.
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It does. It is a little bit more of, but
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also it's. It's it's.
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It's television, so if something's going to happen like
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that, it's going to be stock footage.
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Yes, Daniel. He's the nephew of David
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Netheim, who's who's the the actor who played and if you go
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on to IMD BS entry for David Netheim, it has actually has a
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picture of him in in the Enemy of the World.
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Can I ask you then, what episode did Federine's nephew direct
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I'm. Just just scrolling along.
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Oh, you started talking. I thought you had all the facts.
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On Julia, right? I'm sure it's a muffin one.
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It, it, it does say, it does say he's directed Doctor Who, but
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I'm just working out, just finding, finding which ones it
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is. Hey this stock footage is great
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and looks apocalyptic. I do like it when subtitles just
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say shouting. I feel as if I was watching.
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I want something like that then. Oh yeah.
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The man is mad. I love how it's 2018 but
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Salamanders decided to dress like he's 17th century France.
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Isn't that quite the man's mad? Worse still, he's incompetent.
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Well, no, it's an approximation of the Mexican dress, if you see
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what I mean. You know the smart dress with
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the crock jacket, a bit like a matadors jacket and the frilled
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shirt and and the the the sort of the low collar.
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But stereotypical I. Think yeah again, yes.
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And also I'd like to apologise for talking myself into a hole
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about people not being thought of as white and not white,
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because that could have come across as quite racist and it
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might intended to be no. I see.
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Good grief, nobody would ever think that of you it.
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Didn't I'm gonna say that. Do you know, did you notice all
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that shouting going on in that scene?
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I've been listening to a lot of Toby head out lately and he
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goes, you know, very serious men standing around and said
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shouting at each other. It's like top drama as far as
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he's gonna power a crow. All those scenes in the refinery
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for him, that's the ultimate drama.
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Well, Daniel, do you have some facts for us?
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Yes, he directed the Saigon invasion, the Saigon inversion
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and extremists, and the pyramid at the end of the world.
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Oh. It was.
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Really. It wasn't his son.
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He was his nephew, OK. Well, that was the end of
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episode 2, folks. We've all gone very quiet, so
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our outers here, but are you all excited to watch the episode
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that we've all seen, you know, many, many times?
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Yeah, bring it on. OK, right there.