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Rubio and Blanche in the hot seat · Booker Scott: Truth Be Told

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  Speaker 1: It's six eastern it's three o'clock pacific this is a
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  Speaker 1: president of action coast to coast and around the world
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  Speaker 1: from the america out loud talk radio studios.
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  Speaker 2: If he says he's serious about something he means it.
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  Speaker 1: It's time for the truth be told with booker.
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  Speaker 3: Scott California had a big primary on Tuesday. Marco Rubio
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  Speaker 3: and A.G. Todd Blanche were in the hot seat on
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  Speaker 3: Capitol Hill. Iran is firing missiles at U.S. military in Kuwait.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Booker and this is The Truth Be Told. Thank
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  Speaker 3: you for joining us tonight and every night. I really
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  Speaker 3: do appreciate it. And we're going to get into California
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  Speaker 3: to begin with because I think this was a big,
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  Speaker 3: big race here Tuesday. that took place. You had the
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  Speaker 3: governor's race with Steve Hilton and Chad Bianco trying to
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  Speaker 3: get in the top two because it is a jungle primary.
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  Speaker 3: They run everybody. Twenty people running for governor in the
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  Speaker 3: top two who get the most votes. They move on
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  Speaker 3: to the general election in November. And it looks like
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  Speaker 3: right now, and we knew going into this election, it
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  Speaker 3: was going to take weeks to count these votes. For
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  Speaker 3: some reason in California, they can't count. Every other state
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  Speaker 3: in the nation, they have no problem counting votes. California,
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  Speaker 3: it takes two weeks to count all the votes. Even
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  Speaker 3: the Secretary of State in the state of California, she
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  Speaker 3: said it was going to take a couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 3: So we don't have the final outcome yet. But here's
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  Speaker 3: what it looks like so far. In this jungle primary
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  Speaker 3: in California for governor, it looks like Javier Baciera is
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  Speaker 3: going to be first. He's going to win that. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: Steve Hilton can pull it out. I'm not sure. But
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  Speaker 3: Steve Hilton right now has enough votes to be second.
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  Speaker 3: And that's really all you want at this time. Let
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  Speaker 3: me remind you that in the state of California, you
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  Speaker 3: have a two-to-one ratio, Democrats registered compared to Republicans. Getting
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  Speaker 3: in the top two of a jungle primary doesn't necessarily
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  Speaker 3: mean anything. Typically in statewide races, you will have a
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  Speaker 3: Republican emerge from the top two there. You had Steve
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  Speaker 3: Garvey in the last Senate race in 2024 that got
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  Speaker 3: the most votes in the jungle primary leading into that race. However,
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  Speaker 3: Adam Schiff beat him very easily when it came to
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  Speaker 3: the general election. That's probably the same case here with
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  Speaker 3: Steve Hilton. Should he come in second place? It looks
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  Speaker 3: like he probably will. In third place, coming on strong
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  Speaker 3: at the end was Tom Steyer, the socialist and the billionaire.
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  Speaker 3: And so he's sitting there in third. We'll have to
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  Speaker 3: continue to watch how this shakes out over the next
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  Speaker 3: couple of weeks, according to the Secretary of State in California. Also,
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  Speaker 3: another interesting race in California was that of Los Angeles.
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  Speaker 3: And everybody was looking at the Los Angeles mayor race.
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  Speaker 3: Karen Bass is the mayor now. A lot of people
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  Speaker 3: argue she's not doing a good job. You have homeless
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  Speaker 3: people living all over the place. And you had the
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  Speaker 3: big fire that took place that, you know, they have
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  Speaker 3: not done anything with. Karen Bass didn't have water there.
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  Speaker 3: She didn't have fire department there. And now she hasn't
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  Speaker 3: done anything to rebuild Palisades there in Los Angeles. And
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  Speaker 3: that's been a big part of Spencer Pratt's campaign. He's
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  Speaker 3: run a great campaign, and it's nice to see somebody
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  Speaker 3: come from nowhere to get to where he is, which
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  Speaker 3: it looks like now that he's going to finish in
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  Speaker 3: second place in California. Let's wait and see. I'm talking
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  Speaker 3: about 60% of the votes in. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: votes to come, but it looks like it's going to
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  Speaker 3: be Karen Bass and Spencer Pratt. And that's a great
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  Speaker 3: campaign run by Spencer Pratt there in Los Angeles, because
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  Speaker 3: now he will at least get to continue the message
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  Speaker 3: between now and November. And who knows what will happen?
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  Speaker 3: Maybe his message will reach enough people to make a difference.
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  Speaker 3: And Los Angeles can have a new face as a
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  Speaker 3: mayor instead of Karen Bass, who they've had for years. Again,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why it takes two weeks to count
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  Speaker 3: all the votes in California, but it does. It does
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  Speaker 3: every time. And then that brings up questions. How are
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  Speaker 3: they cheating? They're cheating. It's rigged. We're never going to
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  Speaker 3: win anything as long as it takes weeks and weeks
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  Speaker 3: to count. And with today's technology, I'm not sure why
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  Speaker 3: it should take so long to count votes. With computers
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  Speaker 3: and everything that we have, why does it take two
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  Speaker 3: weeks to count these votes? There was also an important
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  Speaker 3: race in Iowa, I believe, in the primary. You have
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  Speaker 3: a You have an empty seat in Iowa. There are
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  Speaker 3: two Senate races coming up in November that I think
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  Speaker 3: are very important. First of all, there is Maine, which
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  Speaker 3: the primary for Maine will be next Tuesday, and that's
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  Speaker 3: going to be Graham Platner or Susan Collins. Susan Collins
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  Speaker 3: has been there for a long time. She's trailing in
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  Speaker 3: the polls, but I think she normally does trail in
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  Speaker 3: the polls, and she usually wins as well. If the
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  Speaker 3: Democrats can't win Maine, they cannot win the United States Senate.
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  Speaker 3: And Iowa is another one that the Democrats will be
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  Speaker 3: looking for as Joni Ernst is retiring there in the Senate.
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  Speaker 3: And there were a couple of decent candidates for the
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  Speaker 3: Democrats that maybe have a shot that ran on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: And the Republican there who was endorsed by Trump has
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  Speaker 3: no one running against her. She is running unopposed. So
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  Speaker 3: watch Iowa as well in the general election. But I
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  Speaker 3: think Maine is really important. If Susan Collins wins there...
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  Speaker 3: at a minimum, the Republicans will maintain the gavel. And
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  Speaker 3: I know a lot of people don't care for Susan Collins.
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  Speaker 3: They think she's a rhino. And Maine is a quirky state.
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  Speaker 3: And you can tell that from Graham Plattner as being
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  Speaker 3: the Democrat that got the nomination for the Democrats to
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  Speaker 3: run there in that primary. So pay attention to Maine.
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  Speaker 3: Maine is really important for the U.S. Senate coming up
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  Speaker 3: in the general election. Now let's move to Capitol Hill,
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  Speaker 3: where Todd Blanch The Attorney General of the United States
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  Speaker 3: was in the hot seat. He and Marco Rubio both
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  Speaker 3: Tuesday were in the hot seat. And as always, when
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  Speaker 3: it comes to these hearings, the people questioning, all they
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  Speaker 3: care about is a video clip. It's a theater is
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  Speaker 3: all it is. Political theater. They're trying to get reelected
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  Speaker 3: by the questions they ask, how they ask them. And
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  Speaker 3: it's hard to get a lot of information out. But
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  Speaker 3: I still find them interesting. I still watch them. quite
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  Speaker 3: a bit, and maybe you're interested anyway. I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: hit the highlights. Let's first go to Todd Blanche. And
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the questions that were asked by the
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  Speaker 3: members of the House of Representatives had to do with
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  Speaker 3: that $ 1. 8 billion slush fund that has messed up the
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  Speaker 3: appropriations there in the Senate. The senators have pushed back
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  Speaker 3: on that $ 1. 8 billion slush fund that Trump wanted to include.
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  Speaker 3: And they said, we're not going to do this. We've
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  Speaker 3: done a lot. We've agreed with a lot that you've
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  Speaker 3: brought to us. But we are not going to agree
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  Speaker 3: to this. We're not doing this $ 1. 8 billion slush fund,
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  Speaker 3: which means possibly you're going to give some money to
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  Speaker 3: the J6ers. It was a political flashpoint for the Republicans
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  Speaker 3: in the Senate. And they said, we're not going to
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  Speaker 3: do it. And so that's held up things. Todd Blanch
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  Speaker 3: was questioned about that. Here is that exchange.
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  Speaker 4: So the blanket immunity is not something that you're going
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  Speaker 4: to move back on?
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  Speaker 3: This is Representative Rosa DeLauro, and this is the representative
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  Speaker 3: with purple hair. Purple hair. You may have her in
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  Speaker 3: mind now, but here, let's continue with this.
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  Speaker 5: That's not true.
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  Speaker 6: It is. No, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: She can't understand. She's moving her papers around. He says,
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  Speaker 3: that's not true. You signed this blanket immunity for the
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  Speaker 3: Trump family is what she's talking about. And he says,
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  Speaker 3: it's not true. That's not what I did. She doesn't
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  Speaker 3: know what to do.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: United States releases, waives, acquits, and forever discharges each of
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  Speaker 4: the plaintiffs from and is hereby forever barred and precluded
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  Speaker 4: from prosecuting or pursuing any and all claims, counterclaims, causes
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  Speaker 4: of actions, appeals, requests for any reliefs.
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 4: This is an order from you, but you're not prepared.
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  Speaker 4: You are prepared to say that the president and his
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  Speaker 4: family will be barred, are immune.
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  Speaker 6: That's a yes.
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  Speaker 3: No, it was not a yes. I had not answered
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  Speaker 3: the question.
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  Speaker 5: I can't answer if you want me to.
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  Speaker 4: What are you doing with this?
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  Speaker 3: That's the way these hearings always go. They don't let
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  Speaker 3: people answer the questions that they're asking.
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  Speaker 5: There was a settlement, which is one of the documents
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  Speaker 5: you showed. Part of the settlement included the second order
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  Speaker 5: that you just held up, and nothing has changed with that.
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  Speaker 5: What I've said a couple times today, as what we
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  Speaker 5: talked about yesterday, is we're not moving forward with the
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  Speaker 5: anti-weaponization fund.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: But you are moving forward with this second order.
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  Speaker 3: It's not moving forward.
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  Speaker 6: There's a settlement.
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  Speaker 5: There's a settlement that the IRS entered into with President
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  Speaker 5: Trump and others, his family and his companies. As part
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  Speaker 5: of that settlement, as is customary in IRS settlements, there's
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  Speaker 5: a separate agent order.
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  Speaker 3: She can't get over herself now.
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  Speaker 4: Friends, listen to what is being said today here.
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  Speaker 6: This is.
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing to me that people like this represent 800,000
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  Speaker 3: people in America. There cannot be 800,000 people as dumb
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  Speaker 3: as this representative. I will remind you that it is
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  Speaker 3: this representative that thinks that we need to have women
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  Speaker 3: crash test dummies so that it's equal. And I don't
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  Speaker 3: think that it really matters. She asked that question. She
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  Speaker 3: legitimately asked that question in a hearing one time. She
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  Speaker 3: wanted to know when there will be women, female test dummies,
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  Speaker 3: crash test dummies, so it would be equal. Here's Democrat
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  Speaker 3: Representative Madeline Dean, and she is having her way with
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  Speaker 3: Todd Blanchier over the Epstein files.
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  Speaker 8: What is true is that the president has lied about
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  Speaker 8: being on Epstein's plane.
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  Speaker 3: Now, President Donald Trump admitted a long time ago that
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  Speaker 3: he flew on Epstein's plane. This isn't news coming out
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  Speaker 3: of the Epstein files, but this is how this works
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  Speaker 3: in a hearing. Because it's all for show. It's for
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  Speaker 3: their videos on TikTok. It's to get reelected. Trump has
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  Speaker 3: admitted that he used Epstein's plane years ago. So this
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  Speaker 3: isn't news.
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  Speaker 8: There's also this set of files in the file. This
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  Speaker 8: is investigation into the potential co-conspirators of Jeffrey Epstein. I
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  Speaker 8: almost used up all the blank ink in the hallway.
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  Speaker 8: Because it's all covered up.
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  Speaker 3: She's trying to get a gotcha moment. Here it is.
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  Speaker 3: The American people are not stupid.
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  Speaker 8: They know that when members of Congress have to go
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  Speaker 8: in and actually unredact, try to find the truth, is
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  Speaker 8: your obligation to the victims and survivors of Epstein's heinous
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  Speaker 8: crimes and all his perpetrators, or is your first obligation
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  Speaker 8: to the President of the United States?
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  Speaker 5: So, without a doubt, we want to bring justice to
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  Speaker 5: every victim.
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  Speaker 8: When will you bring that justice?
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  Speaker 3: Can I please finish?
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  Speaker 8: Excuse me.
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  Speaker 6: Can I finish?
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  Speaker 8: It's been decades.
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  Speaker 9: Can I finish?
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  Speaker 8: When will you bring the justice?
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  Speaker 6: So as I was saying, when will you prosecute?
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  Speaker 8: And who will you prosecute?
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  Speaker 3: Please allow the witness to ask.
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  Speaker 8: You told me in our conversation you blamed the victims.
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  Speaker 3: Every victim, every victim of Mr. Epstein.
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  Speaker 8: He told me that the victims didn't give good names.
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  Speaker 5: Let me be crystal clear that this Department of Justice
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  Speaker 5: is We'll always, we'll always protect victims, and we'll always
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  Speaker 5: prosecute anybody we can, okay? Full stop, no ifs, ands,
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  Speaker 5: or buts, okay? What you are showing in a game
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  Speaker 5: of showmanship are redactions because of victims, because that prosecution
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  Speaker 5: memorandum talks about, excuse me?
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  Speaker 6: Perpetrators, too.
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  Speaker 3: How do you know that?
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  Speaker 6: Go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Todd, why are you saying you are showing all that
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  Speaker 3: redacted paper there is victims? Your law that you created
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  Speaker 3: to release the Epstein files say we have to redact
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  Speaker 3: the names of the victims. That's what was done there.
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  Speaker 3: She says, no, they are the perpetrators. And he says,
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  Speaker 3: how do you know that? She wouldn't know that. It's redacted.
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  Speaker 6: Talk to the victims. Talk to the victims. So they're victims.
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  Speaker 5: They're victims' names, which we are required to redact, required
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  Speaker 5: by law to redact, which we did.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 5: So I take umbrage to the idea.
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  Speaker 4: Mr.
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  Speaker 8: Chairman, I realize I'm over time. Thank you for that.
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  Speaker 3: Now she doesn't want to talk anymore because guess what?
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  Speaker 3: Because he just checkmated her. That's enough of Todd Blanche.
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  Speaker 3: We don't learn much from that hearing. Now let's go
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  Speaker 3: to the Middle East and Iran. The sound of bombs
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  Speaker 3: continued Tuesday in Iran and Iran firing on United States
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  Speaker 3: military in Kuwait. And I think it's time for Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump to end this once and for all. Marco Rubio,
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  Speaker 3: he thinks things are going pretty well. It's difficult. It's tough,
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  Speaker 3: he admits. But Iran can't continue trying to kill Americans
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  Speaker 3: and America do nothing. What happened over the last 24
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  Speaker 3: hours there? besides bombing Kuwait, are attempting to. They also
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  Speaker 3: attempted to bomb ships in the Strait of Hormuz. This
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  Speaker 3: is commercial ships they're bombing. And America responded in both cases.
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  Speaker 3: None of these missiles made their targets, not the one
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  Speaker 3: in Kuwait or any of those on commercial ships. America
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  Speaker 3: was able to shoot all of those threats down. And
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  Speaker 3: then America responded in an offensive way in bombing missile
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  Speaker 3: sites and also They also, in fact, shot out another
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  Speaker 3: commercial vessel. The United States did. They shot a missile
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  Speaker 3: right into the engine room because it failed to yield
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  Speaker 3: to the warnings of the blockade that the United States
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  Speaker 3: has put on there. It just kept going for 24 hours.
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  Speaker 3: So finally, they bombed it. They told them they were,
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  Speaker 3: and then they did.
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  Speaker 7: Even Iran's foreign minister was not there yet. You were not,
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  Speaker 7: was there, excuse me, and you were not. I just
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  Speaker 7: feel that's embarrassing for us.
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  Speaker 3: Senator Rosen here asking Marco Rubio about not being in
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  Speaker 3: Pakistan with Vice President J.D. Vance, Jared Kushner, and Steve Witkoff.
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  Speaker 9: So, Mr.
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  Speaker 7: Secretary, Congress represents the American people. We have the power
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  Speaker 7: to confirm who represents America abroad. We confirmed you to
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  Speaker 7: be our Secretary of State. We confirmed you to be
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  Speaker 7: in the negotiations that are happening. And it's just unthinkable
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  Speaker 7: to me that you are missing high-stakes negotiations or that
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  Speaker 7: you're not involved.
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  Speaker 3: It's sad.
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  Speaker 8: Senator Rosen, your time's up.
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  Speaker 3: Secretary Rubio.
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  Speaker 2: You're 100% inaccurate and 100% wrong.
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  Speaker 6: Here's why.
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  Speaker 2: Number one, the vice president of the United States was there,
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  Speaker 2: and he wasn't confirmed by us, and he was elected
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  Speaker 2: by the American people. He is the second in line
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  Speaker 2: of the presidency of the United States. He was president.
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  Speaker 1: Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Whitcoff is the president's envoy for negotiation for peace deals.
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  Speaker 6: Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Kushner is a private citizen that serves as an advisor
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  Speaker 2: on these functions. They were the team that we sent
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  Speaker 2: to Pakistan. I was not at a party. Where I
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  Speaker 2: was is next to the president. Because in the midst
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  Speaker 2: of those negotiations, I was in communications with them. And
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  Speaker 2: in fact, I think there is media reporting from that
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  Speaker 2: evening on how on multiple occasions I went into a
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  Speaker 2: back room, I came back out and spoke to the
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  Speaker 2: president and was constantly updating him. On that evening, I
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  Speaker 2: spoke to Mr. Kushner and our negotiating team and Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Woodcoff on at least six occasions, including twice on a
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  Speaker 2: secure line from the phone they had access to over there.
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  Speaker 6: So you don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: I know your staff wrote up this cute statement for
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  Speaker 2: your TikTok video, but it's not true and it's not real.
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  Speaker 3: That's not what happened. But yet half the country is
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  Speaker 3: going to believe that because Democrat Senator Rosen is posting
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  Speaker 3: that all over their videos and all over their TikToks
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  Speaker 3: and Instagram. And unfortunately, that's the way things work these days.
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  Speaker 3: This is Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey, and he
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  Speaker 3: is saying we have a worse situation going on in
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  Speaker 3: Iran right now, and here's Rubio's response. And now we're
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  Speaker 3: begging to get back into a deal that you all
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  Speaker 3: trashed in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: There's no one begging.
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  Speaker 3: Clearly, this is a shame. Senator Booker, your time's up.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to address.
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  Speaker 2: Some of these points because they go to the heart
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  Speaker 2: of the matter. No one's begging for anything here. The
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  Speaker 2: Iranians might be begging because their economy is losing hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of millions of dollars a day.
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  Speaker 6: That they are losing.
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  Speaker 2: Understand, Iran had street protests going on before all of
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  Speaker 2: this started. All of those factors, economic factors in Iran,
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  Speaker 2: are far worse today than they were six months ago
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  Speaker 2: when those protests were happening. They have hyperinflation. Their currency
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  Speaker 2: is completely devalued. They're struggling to make payroll for their
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  Speaker 2: government workers. Iran is in a very serious situation. And
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  Speaker 2: if it was up to the political class there, and
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  Speaker 2: I understand everybody there is sort of radical in some way,
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  Speaker 2: but if it was up to the people that actually
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  Speaker 2: go to elections and wear the suits and you see
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  Speaker 2: on TV, they'd probably make a deal tomorrow. The issue
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  Speaker 2: they're facing is that the supreme leader and the IRGC
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  Speaker 2: core are a little bit more immune from those pressures
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  Speaker 2: until they can be convinced otherwise. And I think that's
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• 17:11
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• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Iran has no navy left. They've lost a substantial percentage
• 17:17
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• 17:20
  Speaker 2: percentage of their missile launchers. And their economy is far
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: worse today, and I mean far worse today, than it
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: was six to nine months ago.
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: And that is Marco Rubio's response to Senator Cory Booker there.
• 17:31
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• 17:35
  Speaker 3: All of us were told from a very early age,
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: you are what you eat. And if that's the case,
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: don't you want the best for you and your family?
• 17:44
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• 17:46
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• 17:51
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• 17:54
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• 17:57
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• 18:01
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• 18:31
  Speaker 3: That's beefinitiative.com. Dr. Torsten Trey, M.D., Ph.D., has been nominated
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: for Nobel Peace Prizes. received major human rights awards. He
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: is currently the executive director of Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: They're based in Washington, D.C., and I think their name
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: tells you all you need to know about what they do.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: He also co-edited the Land of Art book, State Organs,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Transplant Abuse in China. And his most recent work is
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: the documentary, Silent Harvest. That recently had a viewing by
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: lawmakers in Washington, D.C., And he is also an international speaker.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: He has briefed policymakers, medical professionals, and human rights forums
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: all over the world. Tonight, he's going to brief us.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Welcome to the program, Dr. Torsten Trey. And Dr. Trey,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: thank you for being here.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: Thank you, Booker, for having me. It's so important, and
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: I'm very thankful for that. It's so important that we
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: have these platforms like yours where we can talk and
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: share the information that we have.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I think this is one of those subjects that people
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: want to bury their head in the sand. I think
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: when you think about harvesting organs from a live human being,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: It's just something that people don't want to deal with.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: And this is what you do. You advocate to bring
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: attention to this. Talk about it. Talk about where this
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: is done, how it's done. I mentioned that it's $ 800
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: million to $ 1. 2 billion. We know that China is involved
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: with this. But explain what this is so the listeners
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: will have an idea of what you are dealing with
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: on a daily basis.
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: Yes. Usually people are familiar with the term organ trafficking,
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: where especially kidneys are traded from people who want to
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: make money and they undergo a contract and sell the
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: kidney for money. But what we found is in 2006
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: is that in China, prisoners are intentionally categorized as organ
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: donors and then killed on demand. And this has grown
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: to become a business, an industry. So it's not only
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: they are killing people without consent, but they are targeting
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: certain people, dissidents or prisoners of conscience.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: How do they target them? I'm sorry to interrupt you,
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: but how do they target them? Is it because they're
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: vocal and are against government? So they're just one of
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: those that would be targeted to take their organs while
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: they are alive?
• 21:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so it is not the typical criminals who are
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: convicted in a court. that become subject to forced organ harvesting.
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: It is people, for example, the Falun Gong movement that
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: practices a spiritual practice with following truthfulness, compassion, forbearance, and
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: is doing Qigong-like exercises. They have become target for the
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: CCP since 1999. And the government, the CCP government, wanted
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: to eradicate, erase, And instead of using a firing squad,
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: which would cause tremendous outcry in the world, they are
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: just doing it in a stealth, I would say stealth manner,
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: by bringing them to the operating rooms and then killing
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: them on the operating table, taking the organs out and
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: using them for transplant. So it is a very targeted
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: method where, for example, since 1999, the Falun Gong practitioners
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: were targeted. And then later in 2018, maybe around 2018,
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: the Uyghurs were also being targeted. And we are now
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: actually very concerned that with a Christian population of maybe
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: 50 million in China, that this practice can next target
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: Christians in China as a way to eradicate and erase them.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Is this only happening in China, or are there other
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: places in the world where this happens?
• 23:00
  Speaker 6: Well, this would not happen in a country with a
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: rule of law. But there's organized crime, and there might
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: be cases where single individuals are also subject to forced
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: organ harvesting. But I would say those numbers are very limited,
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: because think of this. If you have a transplant recipient
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: there is a whole machinery to identify the recipient, the donor.
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: So if you do it on a large scale, then
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: the investigators and police could also basically find out which
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: organized crime is involved. But if you have a whole
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: society as you have in China, a whole society that
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: is following the instructions and rules the rules from the CCP,
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: from one party, then everything is aligned. It's not only
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: the police, the guards, the doctors, the hospitals, everything. So
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: the forced organ harvesting in China is happening with the
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: knowledge and actually support of the Chinese government.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Dr. Trey, I read about a transplant tourism that happens.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Where do the Chinese sell these organs? Who do they
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: sell it to? Is it just the Chinese people that
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: want it? Or is there such a thing as this
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: tourism for transplant?
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so, of course, this practice is criminal. And China
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: doesn't want the world to know about it. And they
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: influence the media not to report about it. So you
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: won't find that China is exporting organs to other countries
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: because then there's a question of transplantation. transparency and traceability,
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: et cetera, they rather would avoid that. So the transplantation
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: are happening in China and they are feeding several different groups.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: One is the regular Chinese citizen, but a transplant is
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: very expensive. It would cost like an annual salary. So
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: there are not too many Chinese patients who can afford it.
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: The next group, the biggest group is probably the international patients,
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: transplanters who come from different parts of the world, from
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: Asian countries, from Europe, from the American continent, and especially
• 25:20
  Speaker 6: from Middle East. And the third group is probably the
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: Chinese officials right from the top, from the president to
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: the Politburo members to officials. They are also benefiting from
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: these organ transplants. And you might have heard the situation
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: with the hot mic That just happened maybe a couple
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: of months ago between President Putin and President Xi. They
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: were actually openly discussing that with transplantations, one could maybe
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: live up to 150 years. So they are actually on
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: the presidential level, on the top level. They are actually
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: aware of this practice of getting organs on demand.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: And in their case, they're looking for it for themselves
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: so that they can stay in power permanently. For another 60,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: 70 years, even though they're getting up there in age.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that is their dream, yes.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's terrible. It's a fascinating subject, I believe. Let's
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: talk about the process and how this is done. Because
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: from what I understand, from what I have read, that
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: you can kind of target this practice by how long
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: someone is waiting for maybe a liver or a kidney
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: or something like that. Because it's very short. Because most
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: of us know in America that when you get on
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: a list, it could take forever. Some people die before
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: they even get the opportunity to have a transplant. So
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: we're talking about days here in some of these cases,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: aren't we?
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: We do. So for a kidney in the U.S., you
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: have to wait maybe five years for a liver, a heart,
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: maybe one year. In China, it is reversed. It is
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: not an altruistic organ donation system. It is what I
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: describe as an organ transplant on-demand system. Think of Amazon Prime.
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: You order something, you get it within two days. In China,
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: most of the time, you get your organ within two weeks. However,
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: there are cases. For example, a few years ago, a
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: Canadian traveled to China, and within three days, he got
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: a kidney. or you remember during COVID, there were several
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: cases where patients had an emergency lung transplantation, and they
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: just waited one day, 24 hours, for a donor lung.
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: And then there was a competition between hospitals, and actually
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: in one month, and I believe it was March 2020,
• 27:46
  Speaker 6: there were documented in the Chinese media at least eight
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: lung transplantations where the recipient only waited two, three days.
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: So that is absolutely impossible. You don't hear that. If
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: I talk to other doctors who do lung transplantation, it
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: was mind-boggling to them because you have to, not only
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: is this about the blood type, but also the shape
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: of the lung needs to fit. So all of this
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: within a day is almost impossible. And so you... What
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: the procedure here is, when we say on demand, you
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: have 500,000 or a million Falun Gong practitioners detained. All
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: of them get blood type, blood tested, medically examined, and
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: then you have a data bank. So if a patient comes,
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: they just immediately, within 10 minutes, they can find the person,
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: the prisoner who would fit the requirements. and then they
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: can transplant that organ really on demand within days.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: If I were being detained there and they came knocking
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: for me, that would not be a good thing, would it?
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: You know what's going on at that point because no
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: one ever comes back from that surgery. Do they kill
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: somebody first and then harvest the organs, or do they
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: harvest the organs and then let the person die?
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: It's basically at the same moment. Because for doctors, they
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: know that if the younger the organ is, the fresher
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: the organ is, the better is the result for the transplantation.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: So if the person is killed first, then the blood
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: transfusion of the organ is stopped. So then at that point,
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: the lifetime of the donor organ is kind of dropping.
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: So in order to avoid that, they place the donor,
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: so-called donor on the operating table inject something that he
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: cannot move, and then they take it out, and within
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: five minutes or so, the organ is transplanted.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: And you can't live without organs. Is that how they die,
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: or is it humane in any way? It's already inhumane,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: but is that how they die?
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: It is inhumane.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Is that how they die, though? Just because
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: their organs have been taken out?
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it is... the human being has two kidneys. So
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: if you take one kidney out, that person could technically
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: still live. But all the other organs are essential organs.
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: If you remove the heart, the lung, the pancreas, liver,
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: or both kidneys, the person is not able to live.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: And are all of those organs things that they are harvesting?
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so as I said, this is an organ-on-demand system.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: So if they... If they have a list from somebody
• 30:52
  Speaker 6: who wants a kidney and then there is, for example,
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: no other patient around who needs another organ, they wouldn't
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: harvest the other organs, at least not for transplantation. But
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: sometimes they pile up patients and then they have one
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: who needs a liver, a kidney, a heart, and then
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: these three organs are removed. It's really on demand and
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: the rest will be incinerated. as biohazard in the basement
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: of the hospital. So to raise all traces.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: And the family of those that have been killed as
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: a result of this harvesting, do they know what happened
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: to their loved one?
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: Usually not. There's a little difference here. When you have
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: detained Uyghurs, they want to stay in contact with their
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: family So in that case, there might be communication and
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: the family would know. But in the case of Falun Gong,
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: what you often see is that Falun Gong practitioners don't
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: release their name and don't say where they live because
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: they want to protect their family members. If they say
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: where they live, then the family members will also be prosecuted.
• 32:03
  Speaker 6: So usually they don't say the name and anything, and
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: then they become simply number prisoners and they disappear. And
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: nobody knows that they disappeared.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: How many a year? Do you have any idea? Is
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: there a way to know that? How many people go
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: through this and have their organs harvested? Let me put
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: it this way. How many people are the Chinese government
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: killing doing this every year?
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: This is quite difficult to assess. But we believe that
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: per year there are maybe 20,000 to 30,000.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: Were being killed. And over the past 25 years, we
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: believe more than a million people were killed in this regard.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: If you're listening and you don't know who the Uyghurs are,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: they are Muslims. They are in the north part of China,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: and they are enslaved. They make your Nike clothing, they
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: That's what they are. And China keeps them around for slaves. And,
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: you know, even Hillary Clinton has admitted that that's what
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: they do. So this isn't a political thing. This has
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: nothing to do with politics. It just has to do
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: with what the Chinese government is doing. Dr. Trey, who
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: gets the profit? Is this the government getting the profit
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: or is it hospitals and doctors? I guess maybe all
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: of them share in it somehow.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so I have to explain this a little bit longer.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: When in 1999 Falun Gong, the movement of Falun Gong
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: was persecuted, then at the same time the government has
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: reduced the budget of the hospitals. So the budget was
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: reduced and they were told you can still make money
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: through transplantation. So transplantation became actually the the main focus
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: in many hospitals to earn money. And it was set
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: up this way from the government because the government wanted
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: the hospitals to harvest organs from Falun Gong practitioners. So
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: here you see two points. One group, the doctors and
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: the guards and the judges, their incentive is money, but
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: the incentive for the Chinese government is a different one.
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: They want to have something like a final solution They
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: want to silence Falun Gong practitioners by killing them on
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: the operating table. So the incentive for the government was
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: not so much the money. It was the final solution,
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: the eradication of dissidents and prisoners of conscience.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: That's amazing. In a way, if you're sitting in China,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: you're part of the CCP or you're the medical doctor
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: or hospital. It's just a perfect marriage, isn't it? because
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: you are getting rid of those dissident voices, and you're
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: also making $ 1. 2 billion a year in an industry that
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: is killing people for their organs. It works out well together,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: doesn't it?
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: Yes, exactly. That is exactly what is happening in China.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: This is also where we, in the free world, we
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: have to stand up, because this is not just standing
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: up against an unethical business, but This is something where
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: the medical practice, the discipline of transplant medicine is being
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: used as a method to kill unwanted, undesired people. And
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: that leads the medicine into an absurd practice. Think about it.
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: You kill people to provide treatment to other people. If
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: this continues, medicine is failing in its mission.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: Well, Dr. Torsten Trey is his name. We have more
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: of this conversation coming up. We're up against a break.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: We're going to take that and then come back and
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: talk about the documentary Silent Harvest and a whole lot more.
• 35:59
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  Speaker 3: Coming up tonight at 9 o'clock, it is After Dark
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• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Told with Dr. Torsten Trey. He's a medical doctor, a PhD.
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: I tried to build him up as much as I could.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: He's had an incredible career. I did that at the
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: beginning of the hour. And Dr. Trey, something else I
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: talked about was that deer-in-the-headlight look that people give you
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: when you talk about a subject like this, you know,
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: human trafficking, sex trafficking, and organ harvesting, forced organ harvesting.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: is another one of those subjects. And you deal with
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: this every day. When you're talking to people out there,
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: maybe outside of the medical community, what kind of looks
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: do you get when you start talking about this?
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: Oh, in most cases, people are almost in disbelief and
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: maybe in shock. And it takes a few minutes of
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: talking about it, and then they understand this is real.
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: And then the disbelief changes into shock. And And rightly so.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: If people have a heart, let's say this, if they
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: have a heart and soul, they should be appalled by
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: this practice where a government is killing people on demand
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: for their organs and to erase them.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: And that's the purpose of your organization, too, is to
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: shed light on this so that more people know about it.
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: Because until enough of us know about it... probably nothing
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: is going to change. The voices have to get loud.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: You mentioned it. If you have a heart and soul
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: and you know this is going on, you want it
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: to stop. And that's the whole purpose of your organization,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: which is the Doctors Against Forced Organ Harvesting. DAFO is
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: the acronym for that. Talk about your organization and your
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: work daily and what you are trying to do there.
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: Yes, it has changed. The first step in our endeavor
• 39:11
  Speaker 6: and our work is really to compile information and to
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: provide information and objective findings to doctors and the public.
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: Because only if people are widely informed, then we can
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: talk about the next step. steps. So the information is
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: a crucial aspect because once you hear about it, you
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: are moved. I've seen it so many times. You're shocked
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: and moved and then you start working on it for yourself.
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: One thing that when people ask what they can do
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: is if you have social media, just share what you
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: hear from us or from our website. Share it with
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: all the people that you know. And at one point,
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: when you reach a critical mass, you remember in 1984, sorry, 1989,
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: the student massacre, June 4th. The CCP shot 3,000 students
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: on the Tiananmen Square massacre. Next day, many, many countries
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: withdrew business from China. So if we reach, if we
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: can replicate that, if we can really make it a
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: mainstream topic, forced organ harvesting in China, then I believe
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: a similar reaction will come where countries say, well, this
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: is going too far. We retreat from China. We don't
• 40:37
  Speaker 6: do business with China. At that point, there will be
• 40:40
  Speaker 6: change in China. There will be change in China. So
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: this is one of our goals to basically make it
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: go viral. The other thing we do is we work
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: with different governments, parliaments, etc. So right now in the U.S. Congress,
• 40:58
  Speaker 6: in the Senate, there's a bill, Senate Bill 4009. This
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: is pending in the Foreign Relations Committee. If you live
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: in a state where you live in a state with
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: two senators, Call those two senators and ask them to
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: co-sponsor this Bill 4009. This will send a signal to
• 41:20
  Speaker 6: China and say, we are aware of what you're doing
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: and we want you to stop. Just this public announcement,
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: just this public signal can be enough for China to
• 41:33
  Speaker 6: stop because they fear that the world will get to
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: know about the forced organ harvesting. That is our chance.
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Dr. Trey, who is sponsoring or co-sponsoring that bill in
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: the Senate? That's Senate Bill 4009 is the number. Call
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: your senator, do it tomorrow, and tell them to support
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: that bill, 4009 in the Senate. Do you know who
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: sponsored that bill, who put their name on it to
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: begin with?
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, we have actually introduced this bill two, three years ago.
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: And at that time, it was on the Senate side,
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: it was Senator Rubio, who is now the secretary. So
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: he is all in to support this. Then after he
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: left the Senate, it was Senator Ted Cruz who introduced
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: this bill on the Senate side. But then we ran
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: into problems where the chair of the Foreign Relations Committee
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: said he wanted to have it bipartisan. And I didn't
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: understand why this is needed, because this is not a
• 42:32
  Speaker 6: partisan topic. This is a nonpartisan topic even today. Even
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: if it's just one party that would support it, it
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: should pass as soon as possible. But now we actually
• 42:44
  Speaker 6: found a Democrat co-sponsor, and that is Senator Merkley from Oregon.
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: So we have a bipartisan sponsorship for this bill. It's
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: ready to go. We just need more co-sponsors, more senators
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: who co-sponsor.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: So get on the phone. Get on the phone and
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: call your senator. Tell them about it. Senate Bill 4009.
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: They may not even know about it, but tell them
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: you want it passed. What about on the House side?
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: Is there a bill there that matches this one?
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: Yes. On the House side, the bill passed unanimously. That
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: was never a problem. It passed in 2024, and it
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: also passed last year in the new version. So on
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: the House side, the bill is passing unanimously, and the
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: It is just on the Senate side where there are obstacles,
• 43:38
  Speaker 6: and I do not understand why.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: What are the obstacles? What are the obstacles? I mean,
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: this is a country killing people for their organs. This
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be difficult. It shouldn't be rocket science. It should
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: be very simple to bring this bill for a vote.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: What are the obstacles? And this is a resolution, isn't it?
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: It's just to denounce China and bring attention to it.
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: No, it's not a resolution. In 2016, we had a resolution.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: This time we have a binding. It's a binding bill.
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: If it passes, it will become law. So this is
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: something that has teeth and really would make a difference.
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: It's not just a statement. It's really a position and
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: it would create action. One part of the bill is
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: that it would require from the State Department to produce
• 44:37
  Speaker 6: reports about forced organ harvesting every year. And why is
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: this important? So far, most of the investigations were done
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: by private people, investigators. And we have tons of information.
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: The shelves can be filled with books. But we don't
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: have it in an administrative format. where the government would
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: be forced to take action. So this bill would open
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: this door and make it possible that the State Department
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: can create reports on forced organ harvesting with subsequent actions.
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: So this is a very important step.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: I meant to ask you earlier, what type of medical
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: doctor are you?
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: I was trained in internal medicine. I'm not in the
• 45:29
  Speaker 6: surgical field.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was wondering. That's why I asked the question.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: I was wondering if you were someone that did transplants
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: in your career.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: And your Ph.D.? No.
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: What is your Ph.D.? That was in the field of cardiology.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: And you have no idea why the Senate cannot debate
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: this and pass it with unanimous consent even, just like
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: the House did. You don't know what's holding it up?
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: No, I don't. I don't. And it is basically the
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: Foreign Relations Committee is the bottleneck here. And I do
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: not know what the interests behind it are. It was
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: not communicated to us in a transparent way. It was
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: introduced by a Republican senator. It needs to have a
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: Democrat co-sponsor. And I wonder, is that typical that a
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: bill cannot pass if there is no co-sponsor from the
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: other party? No, it can't.
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: It can pass, absolutely.
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: Yes, yes.
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: So I don't know what's going on.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: I really don't know.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I have a pretty big voice on social media.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you know that, but I have
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: a couple of hundred thousand followers on X. And by
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: the way, if you're listening to this, I haven't thrown
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: it out in a while, but you can follow me
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: at Real Booker Scott. And I'll start putting this out
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: and bring people and get the attention of some people
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: and possibly even some senators. Maybe we can do that too.
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: I have some conversations with some members of the House
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: every once in a while and have some connections to
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: get to the Senate. But I would love to help
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: you with this. I want to talk about the Silent Harvest,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: which is a documentary. And I guess people on Capitol
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Hill had a viewing of it just last week, May 15th.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: Talk about this documentary.
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so just the title, Silent Harvest. If you think
• 47:40
  Speaker 6: about what we just talked about on the Senate side,
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: silence is the biggest accomplice in human rights violations, in atrocities.
• 47:52
  Speaker 6: Silence makes atrocities come true, is making them happening. So
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: we have to break through. The science, like what the
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: subtitle says, we have to speak up, courage to speak up.
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: In this regard, the senators also need to speak up.
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: So the Silent Harvest is the name of our documentary,
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: which was about 10 years in the making. 10 years ago,
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: I had the idea, the vision to produce a documentary
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: that would cover the information that we compiled, but also
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: communicate the information in the format of a film. we
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: started 10 years ago, but there were parts missing. And
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: those parts came together in the recent years. So after
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: 10 years, we are really delighted, I have to say,
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: and relieved that we finally can put this film together
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: and share it with the public.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: As we go to commercial break, I'm going to play
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: about a minute from your trailer on that documentary. When
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: you played it for people in Washington, D.C., what was
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: their response? What was it like?
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: It was very interesting. It was, of course, like every premiere,
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: you do not know how the people react. So what
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: I noticed is the people who watched it, they were
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: just sitting and were glued to the screen. they didn't
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: move they didn't walk out and when somebody walked out
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: he did it fast and he returned very quickly within
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: a minute probably he had a restroom break but the
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: people yeah the people really attentively watched this film And
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: it really moved them. Afterwards, when I looked at the faces,
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: you could see that the people were changed. The documentary
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: changed the perception of the people. They were almost like awakened.
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: They understood that forced organ harvesting is really happening in China.
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: And this is appalling. It's shocking. When we had the
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: premiere a day later on Saturday, May 16th, We had
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: a larger audience. It was the same reaction. The audience
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: was glued to the screen and really followed it very attentively.
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: And afterwards, when I looked at the faces, they were
• 50:23
  Speaker 6: really changed. So we are very happy with this effect
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: from the film that it can wake up people and
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: make them understand that forced organ harvesting in China is happening.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: Did you keep up with COVID very closely and know
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: everything that was going on? Say with Dr. Fauci, who
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: did a lot of tests on beagles. And the reason
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: why I bring that up, I did work with a
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: white coat waste project. And they were really going after
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: Fauci really hard for the Beagles. And there seemed to
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: be a real groundswell of people on social media that
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: were going after Fauci. And I recall even some members
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: of the House of Representatives talking about it. And it
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: was part of hearings. This was a Beagle, a dog.
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: And I love Beagles and I love dogs. I've had many.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: I've had several Beagles, in fact. But we're talking about
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: human beings. And you don't hear that groundswell of distaste for...
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: harvesting a human being's organ like you do for a
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: beagle that had flies on their face and ended up
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: dying because Fauci put them through that. It's weird, isn't it?
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: It's almost like people don't want to admit that this
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: happens in 2026.
• 51:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true. And the comparison with the beagle is
• 51:43
  Speaker 6: really shocking as well. How come that we have so much,
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: you know, hard for the beagles, but not hard for
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: those who are persecuted and killed for their organs in
• 51:55
  Speaker 6: an industrial scale.
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: It's probably out of sight, out of mind, Dr. Trey.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: You don't see it, and therefore it doesn't happen, and
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: people don't want to deal with it. If they see
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: it and they're moved by it, then maybe they start
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: talking about it, and that's your whole purpose, is what
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: I understand, and your organization, and also in the Silent
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: Harvest documentary. Am I fair with that? Am I on target?
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you are. That is fair. So when we started
• 52:31
  Speaker 6: 20 years ago, we mostly were focused on the victims.
• 52:35
  Speaker 6: But then in the past years, the past five, six,
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: seven years, we actually noticed that it is not only
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: the victims far away. It is actually our society that
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: is being subjected to this abuse as well. Because we
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: are training doctors from China in the transplant field. We
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: have exchange hospitals, training doctors, universities take students from China.
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: And then you have the patients here from the U.S.
• 53:05
  Speaker 6: who learn from other doctors that they can get a
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: fast-track transplant in China and they go. But what they
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: don't know is that they've become actually complicit in the murder.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: Of those prisoners of conscience. As soon as you go
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: to China for a transplant, you initiate the killing of
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: a person. And even if you get the organ, you
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: think about it, if the person would know, you know,
• 53:28
  Speaker 6: he had a heart from somebody and then he realized
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: that somebody else was killed for it, you walk for
• 53:35
  Speaker 6: the rest of your life, you walk with this thought
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: that somebody was killed so that you can live. So
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: in a way, we have to protect ourselves The patients
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: and doctors here in the U.S., we have to tell
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: them that don't become complicit in a murder for organ.
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: So over time, we realized this is not an isolated
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: problem in China. This is a problem that is basically
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: affecting all countries around the world, including the U.S.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: I never thought of it the way that you just
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: put it. And I think that's a great way to
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: put it. In order for someone to go in two
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: or three days to China and get that organ, they
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: have to understand that someone is dying and they're doing
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: it to them. And the doctor is involved as well.
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: That was really an incredible thought there. How do you
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: live with yourself knowing that you actually murdered someone so
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: that you could live? Because that's what's happening. It's really
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: an amazing story. Dr. Torsten Trey is his name. Thank
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: you for coming on the program. I really do. Thank
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: you for coming on. I appreciate it. Great work you
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: are doing. Keep at it. And I really did enjoy it.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Thank you for coming on.
• 54:56
  Speaker 6: Thank you for having me.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: And don't forget that you were told 2000 years ago
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: that you are the salt of the earth and salt
• 55:03
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• 55:06
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